How To Negotiate Medical Costs And Avoid Costly Billing Traps

How Do You Get The Best Deal From Your Provider?

Ever been quoted a medical price that made your stomach drop? We walk through the exact steps to turn a scary number into a fair one, from how to ask for self-pay pricing to using price transparency tools that anchor negotiations with real market data. Along the way, we share a jaw-dropping story: a $23,000 surgery slashed to $11,000 within minutes—no magic, just preparation and the right words.

We break down the small choices that drive big savings. First, language matters: saying “I’m self-pay” opens doors to simpler, lower pricing you can put on a card or HSA. Next, we show how MD Save and Healthcare Blue Book reveal local and national averages for common procedures, so you can compare apples to apples before you book. Facility choice is the biggest swing factor, so we challenge the default to hospitals when a modern ambulatory surgery center can be a fraction of the cost without compromising safety. We also get practical about network realities: ask your surgeon where they hold privileges, confirm every clinician is in network, and don’t let a system keep you captive when there are better options.

We dig into billing landmines and how to avoid them. Direct labs to the approved facility listed on your insurance card instead of letting in-office draws inflate your bill. Read your Explanation of Benefits line by line, confirm network discounts, and push back on surprise add-ons—especially when you have a copay plan. If something looks off, call while you’re still at the desk; refunds and corrected claims are possible when you cite the policy and the price. The throughline is ownership: clear questions, documented quotes, and a calm but firm stance turn the system from a black box into a set of choices you can control.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome to the Frederick Insurance Brokers Podcast, where health insurance finally makes sense. Your hosts, Katherine Clark and John Frederick, are independent health insurance specialists and co-owners of Frederick Insurance Brokers. Family-owned, faith-grounded, and serving individuals, families, the self-employed, and small businesses across the country with options instead of headaches. Around here, they're known as Health Insurance Brokers with a Heart, guiding you toward quality care that's simple, affordable, and aligned with real life. So if you've ever thought health insurance is confusing, expensive, and definitely not fun, you're in the right place. Let's dive in and take the fear out of coverage one conversation at a time.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

If you've ever wondered whether you're paid more than you should for care, today's conversation is going to be a game changer. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Julie Schwenzer, co-host and producer in the studio with Catherine Clark, the co-owner of Frederick Insurance Brokers. Catherine, we're so excited to chat with you again. Good. I'm excited to share with you. Yeah, we love learning from you. So how do you get the best deal from your provider?

Using Price Tools Like MD Save

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Well, um, there's a couple things to think about. One is if you have the ability to self-pay, you're always going to get a better deal. I typically suggest to my clients to make a phone call and ask the question just anonymously, meaning, hey, you know, I'm a pro I'm one of your patients and I don't have insurance anymore, or like you call like you're a new patient, or even have a friend call if you're like if you really know the person at the front desk who answers the phone and ask questions, and then also maybe call other offices and ask the same thing. That's one way to sort of educate yourself so you make sure that you're not being like overcharged, but there are also websites that I use. Uh, one is called Healthcare Blue Book. So you all have heard of most people have heard of Kelly Blue Book for cars. Okay, so it's kind of the same thing, but for you know, health procedures. The one that I use the most is uh MD Save. So, like M D, like medical doctor save. And these websites will give you an idea of what your local, regional, and national costs are for specific procedures. I have um a couple examples. Um, one in particular that comes to mind that um was pretty interesting was I have uh had a guy who who I think a calf or cow stepped on his foot anyway, broke his ankle, and it he ended up having to have a plate put in it. So he called me from the doctor's office, and they wanted$23,000 to fix his ankle.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Wow.

Networks, Facilities, And Privileges

SPEAKER_02 3:09

So um in that case, I got on the computer, you know, and looked it up. I went to MD Save and I said, you know, hey, it's like an$11,000 surgery. And literally, I guess whoever was there with him, he turned around and said, MD Save has it for$11,000. And they said, okay, we'll do it for the MD Save price. So um you've heard me say before that everything in life is negotiable. Okay, so I think if you you have to have that mentality and don't just accept what people tell you, um, and you know, do some research. It's this is just not like it used to be, and people don't have the kind of insurance where they just you know walk in and it's taken care of. Insurance companies are doing everything they can to trim down because you know their books are not balanced, right? And they're spending more money than they want to spend. So you you you're gonna have you just have to take more ownership in this day and time. You cannot depend on someone else to look out for you.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

And you already touched on this, but can you please expand on the difference between um asking for cash pay pricing and self-pay discounts?

Ambulatory Centers vs Hospitals

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Yeah, I just like the word self-pay because what if you want to use a credit card? You know, cash pay, they may give you a better price, right? Because you know, we're we think, well, if we pay cash, they they like maybe they don't have to what I want to say, they don't have to show it. And so it's I just feel like it's a just a safer bet to say self-pay that I'm self-pay, I don't have insurance, I'm self-pay. You just gotta learn to say that like you've been saying, well, here's my insurance card. To say I'm self-pay, what does it cost? And there's nothing wrong with asking that ahead of time before you go in to the even just for a doctor visit, you know, or for a test. Another thing that a lot of people don't understand is some providers' offices, they draw blood right in the office and they do the testing. Well, that's a revenue stream for them. So but your insurance probably doesn't cover that, it probably covers Quest diagnostics or one of the other. And unfortunately, your provider's office knows that because it's right on your card most of the time. But again, you have to take ownership and understand: hey, here's where I get it for free, or here's where I get it, and you tell the doctor, you know, I'm my blood drawing, here I'm gonna do my test. So you you have to again take ownership. You've got to know these things so that you're not taken advantage of. You if you have to have a surgery and your doctor's like, okay, we're gonna do it over at ABC Hospital, you need to say, Are they in my network? Now, ideally, they should look out for you. That provider should look out for you, but I'm gonna tell you 50% of the time they don't because I get calls from clients that are like, Oh, I need to have this surgery done, but it's only this hospital wants$8,000. I I had one recently where someone needed a procedure that's done in doctors' offices probably a hundred million times a day, and they're like, We got to go to the hospital and do it for$8,000. I don't want to tell the client if that's what they want to do, that's fine. But they have to understand your physician just took you out of your network, and you know, you need to go back and talk with your provider and say, Hey, you know, what other facilities and hospitals do you practice in? I will say nine times out of ten, they have privileges at more than one hospital. Now, when you get into these systems like the Texas health system and cooks and all, sometimes that's a different story. They don't go outside the system. That is something to consider when you choose to use that provider, that you have those restraints, and those all they want is money from you. That's their assist, okay? That's what that's what they're there for to make money, they're not really patient-oriented. So you should always keep that in mind that if you have to have a procedure, you need to say to your provider, where do you have privileges? And I also that there, I mean, that's just really important. So another thing is that you should always try to have your procedures done in an ambulatory um surgery center, not at the hospital. Because think about it. Hospital has all that overhead, and they're going to charge more, but there are state-of-the-art ambulatory surgical centers that are like sometimes like a quarter of the cost. There's one in particular in Oklahoma, where you could go and have a major procedure done and stay in a five-star hotel and recover and still spend less money than you would at a hospital. So you have to do your homework, you have to take ownership, or typically you're going to be taken advantage of.

Spotting Billing Errors And Negotiating

SPEAKER_01 8:58

And a last question for you, Catherine, and again, thank you for all this eye-opening information. You've touched on this in a previous episode, but if you could expand on it, what are some common billing mistakes that you've seen with your clients a lot? And then how do people go about negotiating those bills?

SPEAKER_02 9:18

I think the thing to do overall is just to make sure that you're looking at your EOBs. EOB stands for explanation of benefits, and don't pay that bill just blindly. Ask questions, challenge them, um, and make sure that you understand exactly what you're being charged for. On the EOB, there's a column that shows the network discount. Okay, so if they charge you a hundred dollars and the network discount is 80, or that that's the what the insurance company is paying them 80. Well, that's in my opinion, that's your choice whether you pay them the additional$20. And my position is you have a contract with that network, you signed up and you agreed to accept$80 for this procedure that you're charging me$100 for. You know, you might be okay with paying the extra$20, but you know, what if it was$3,000, you know, or$5,000? Um, another thing that I see quite a bit is people tell me that they had to pay X number of dollars for a doctor visit when they have a copay plan. I'm like, what? Wait a minute, back up. And if you have a$25,$50 copay, nobody should be charging you any extra money at that doctor's office that day. I've been on the phone with clients where I've had it refunded immediately. But what happens if you don't know any better, and and I will tell you where I see this happen the most, is with parents going to a pediatrician's office and they got two or three kids, and one's crying this and that, and on the way out the door, they ask them for$300, and the mother just gives them the credit card because she's just like, I don't know why, but she's gonna deal with it later. And um, so I do feel like there's a lot of things like that that happen, and I consider it fraud, and it happens probably millions of times a day. That that's why I tell people to question and educate yourself so that you're not being overcharged or charged for something that you shouldn't be charged for.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Oh, well, thank you so much for sharing those insights, Catherine. We really appreciate you. My pleasure. We'll see you on the next episode.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

You've been listening to the Frederick Insurance Brokers podcast with Catherine Clark and John Frederick, health insurance brokers with a heart. If you're ready for health coverage that actually fits you, not the other way around, schedule a no-obligation consultation today. Visit Frederick Insurance Brokers dot com or call 972-375-0507. Because peace of mind shouldn't be a mystery, and your health insurance shouldn't need a translator.