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Welcome to the deep dive. Today we're taking on a topic that has uh really shifted from a global emergency to just a core part of our clinical reality. We're talking about the ongoing management of COVID-19.

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Right. Ever since the WHO declared the pandemic phase over in May 2023, we've moved firmly into what we call an endemic phase. This isn't going away. It's now a permanent fixture in clinical practice.

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That shift is huge. It means we're not just reacting anymore. We're using established evidence-based protocols.

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Exactly. And for anyone studying for the pants or just staying current, understanding this pathogen of beta coronavirus related to the original SARS and MERS is as fundamental as knowing how to manage influenza.

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So that's our mission for you today: a full, comprehensive review. We're going to follow the complete clinical journey of a patient right from that first encounter all the way through treatment and prevention.

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And we're structuring this to be, you know, really high yield, all the key points you need for that clinical mindset.

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Okay, let's jump in. Section one history taking and physical examination. So a patient walks into your clinic today. What are the symptoms we're really focused on now, especially with the newer variants?

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Aaron Powell Well, the core presentation is still a respiratory tract illness. So think fever, cough, chills, and those classic muscle aches and myalgias. But you know, the consensus now is that the variants we're seeing tend to hit the upper respiratory tract harder.

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Some more like a sore throat and headache.

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Precisely. Pharyngitis, headache, general malaise. Sometimes those symptoms are even more prominent than the deeper lung issues, at least at the beginning.

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Aaron Powell There's so much overlap with the flu and the common cold there. But there was always one finding, one really unique neurological sign that stood out.

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Oh, absolutely. The neurotropism of the virus. We're talking about enosmia, the loss of smell, and a jusia, the loss of taste.

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Aaron Powell And what made it so distinct?

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Aaron Ross Powell It was the fact that it often happened without any significant nasal congestion, you know, no heavy rhinoa. So it wasn't just a blockage, it suggested a direct hit on the neurological pathways, which is a really powerful diagnostic clue.

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Aaron Powell That is a fascinating clinical nugget. Okay, let's pivot to risk because this really dictates our entire strategy, doesn't it?

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It's everything. And age is still king. Mortality rates were always higher over 50, and they uh they shot way up for those 85 and older. But when you look at comorbidities, the numbers are just shocking.

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Like what?

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Obesity. The sources we reviewed point to a 113% increased risk of hospitalization.

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Aaron Powell Wow. 113%. That's that's not intuitive. Why is obesity such a massive independent risk factor?

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It's a few things. First, you have the simple mechanics of it reduced lung compliance from pressure on the diaphragm.

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So it's harder to breathe even at baseline.

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Exactly. Yeah. But maybe more importantly, adipose tissue or fat tissue isn't just passive. It acts as a viral reservoir and it promotes a state of chronic low-grade inflammation. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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So when the virus hits, it's just adding fuel to an existing fire.

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Aaron Powell You've got it. That's the perfect way to put it. And then, of course, we're also looking very closely at diabetes, hypertension, and any chronic organ diseases.

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And we can't forget our special populations.

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Never. The immunocompromised think cancer patients, transplant recipients, they face just disproportionately high mortality. And pregnant patients. While they aren't more likely to get the virus, they are at a much higher risk for complications like pre-eclampsia and ICU admission if they do.

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Good. And before we move on, just a quick refresher on the timeline. What's the typical incubation period?

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The average is about five days, but the range is huge from two all the way up to 24 days. And remember, the main transmission route is respiratory droplets. Most of the spread happens when a person is actively symptomatic.

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Okay, let's move into our second big area. Using diagnostic and laboratory studies, we have three main types of tests. Let's start with the gold standard.

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That's the RTPCR, real-time reverse transcriptase, polymerus chain reaction. It's a molecular test looking for the virus's genetic material.

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High sensitivity, high specificity.

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Right. It's the go-to for a definitive diagnosis. But there's a key clinical point here about viral shedding. It can go on for a long time, especially in people who are immunocompromised.

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So what does that mean practically? Does a positive test weeks later mean they're still infectious?

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Not necessarily. And that's the key. It's why guidelines generally advise against retesting an asymptomatic patient within 90 days of their first positive test. It just causes confusion.

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Okay, that makes sense. Then we have the rapid antigen tests, the home tests. What's the trade-off there?

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The trade-off is sensitivity, pure and simple. They're much less sensitive than PCR, especially if you're asymptomatic.

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But they're still useful.

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Oh, very useful. In symptomatic patients, their sensitivity jumps way up, maybe to 85%. Their real value is for a quick triage, you know, helping people know if they need to isolate right now.

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And the third type, serology. Antibody tests.

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Not for an acute diagnosis. These are for looking back. They tell you about a person's immune status.

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And there's a way to tell the difference between immunity from infection versus vaccination, right?

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Yes. A neat little trick. Anti-nucleocapsid antibodies. That usually means you had a natural infection. Anti-spike antibodies, though, could be from either infection or the vaccine.

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Aaron Powell So for a sicker patient, a hospitalized patient, what lab findings are red flags for severe disease?

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Aaron Powell We look for a very specific pattern. Hematologically, you'll see absolute lymphopenia, a really low lymphocyte count, and neutrophilia, which drives up the neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio.

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And the inflammatory markers.

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They go through the roof. CRP, ferritin, LDH, IL6, all of them spike. It's a clear signal that the immune system is in overdrive.

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And this all leads to that notorious risk of clotting. How do we see that in the labs?

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The big one is a significantly elevated D-dimer. That's your primary indicator for this profound coagulopathy. And what's interesting and kind of unusual is that the standard clotting tests like PT and PTT are often normal at first.

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So you really have to rely on that D-dimer trend.

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You do. That and an elevated von Willebrand factor antigen. Those are your windows into their risk for DVT and PE.

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What about imaging? When does a chest X-ray or CT become useful?

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It has limited diagnostic use right at the start because the imaging can be totally normal in the first few days. Its main role is in tracking the progression of the disease.

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Aaron Powell And what are you looking for when things do show up?

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Aaron Ross Powell The classic finding is diffuse ground glass opacities, just these hazy areas in the lungs, often out in the periphery. Later on, you might see more consolidation or multilobar infiltrates.

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Okay, moving on. Formulating the most likely diagnosis. So we've got the symptoms. How do we lock it in?

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Aaron Powell The diagnosis is officially established with positive test, either molecular or a rapid antigen. But your clinical suspicion should already be really high if they have that classic presentation. And you know, there's a lot of virus circulating in the community.

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Aaron Powell Which we can now track with things like wastewater surveillance.

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Exactly. But because of that huge symptom overlap with every other winter virus, you have to run a differential.

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So what's on that list?

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Well, you have to rule out seasonal influenza, usually with a nasal PCR. Then there's RSV, human metabirus, and others. And it's so important to remember that a patient can have more than one thing at once. You can absolutely have a concomitant infection.

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So this brings us to the core of it all: managing patients, clinical intervention, and pharmaceutical therapeutics. First question. When do you admit someone to the hospital?

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Admission is all about respiratory compromise. Okay. Or uh the potential for rapid progression to something like ARDS, acute respiratory distress syndrome.

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Aaron Powell, so what are the triggers?

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Any evidence of hypoxia, for one. Or if the patient is in a high-risk category, advanced age, immunocompromised, morbidly obese, or any sign of multi-organ disease, like a new clot or neurological changes.

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So once that decision is made, the sources all point to this really clear biphasic management strategy.

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Aaron Powell They do. It's a great way to think about it. Antivirals are most effective early in the first phase. Anti-inflammatories are for the later, more severe phase.

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Let's start with that first line oral outpatient drug, the viral protase inhibitor.

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Right, Paxlovit. Or murmitril viratonavir. The key here is it must be started within five days of symptom onset.

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And you said there's a really critical teaching point about the retonavir component.

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Yes. This is probably one of the most important things for a clinician to know. Retonavir is a potent inhibitor of an enzyme called CYP3A4.

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Okay, so what does that actually mean for, you know, your patient, Mrs. Jones, who's on five other medications?

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It's a huge deal. That enzyme, CYP3A4, metabolizes something like half of all common prescription drugs. Statins, certain anticoagulants, antirhythmics, you name it. If you inhibit that enzyme with retonivir, the levels of all those other drugs can shoot up to toxic, even lethal levels.

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Aaron Ross Powell, so you have to do an exhaustive drug interaction screen.

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Absolutely. No exceptions. And you also have to watch the kidneys.

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What are the rules for that?

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The dose has to be adjusted if their GFR, their kidney function, is between 30 and 60. And if it's below 30, it's completely contraindicated.

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Okay. What about for hospitalized patients or outpatients who miss that five-day window?

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Aaron Powell Then we're looking at IV options, primarily REMdescivere. It's an RNA polymerase inhibitor. We use it for hospitalized patients who need oxygen or as a three-day course for high-risk outpatients if they present within seven days.

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And there's another oral option, right? If Paxlovid is a no-go?

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Yes, molnipyravir.

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Yeah.

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But it comes with its own major warning. Which is there are concerns about potential mutagenic effects. So it is absolutely contraindicated in anyone pregnant, breastfeeding, or under 18. And effective contraception is a must.

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Okay, so that's the antiviral phase. Let's move to the second phase, the anti-inflammatories. When do we bring out the big guns like dexamethasone?

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Only in severe hospitalized disease. And that specifically means the patient requires supplemental oxygen or is on a ventilator.

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And only then.

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Only then. In that population, it's been shown to reduce the risk of death. Giving steroids to someone who isn't hypoxic can actually be harmful. It might impair their ability to clear the virus.

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Aaron Powell Right. And for the sickest patients, the ones in a full-blown cytokine storm, there are adjunctive agents.

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Yes, we can add things to tackle that hyperinflammation. We use IL-6 inhibitors like TOSumab or JK inhibitors like baresotinib. These are typically used along with the steroids.

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I remember reading about JK inhibitors and clotting wrists.

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You're right to. They increase the risk of VTE, venous thromboembolism. So any patient on a JK inhibitor must also be on at least prophylactic dose anticoagulation.

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It's a constant balancing act.

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It really is.

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So let's just formalize that coagulation management plan. How do you decide on heparin?

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It's pretty straightforward. Outpatients get no routine anticoagulation. For non-critically ill hospitalized patients on oxygen with a high D dimer, we consider therapeutic anticoagulation.

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And for the critically ill.

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For anyone on high flow O2 non-invasive ventilation or a ventilator, the standard is prophylactic dose heparin.

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All right, that brings us to our final section. Health maintenance, patient education, and preventive measures. Let's start with the most important one.

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Vaccination. It is still the cornerstone of everything. Annual boosters are recommended, especially for older individuals. And while their ability to prevent infection might wane, they are still incredibly protective against severe illness, hospitalization, and death.

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And they reduce the risk of long COVID.

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Substantially.

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What about non-pharmaceutical interventions or NPIs? What's still relevant?

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Well-fitted masks are still a very good idea for vulnerable populations in crowded spaces, and we should be teaching patients about ventilation. Portable HEPA air cleaners can make a huge difference indoors. They can cut aerosol concentration by up to 90% if everyone is also masking.

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And if a patient tests positive today, what are the isolation rules?

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It's clear and simple now. You isolate until you've been fever-free for a full 24 hours without using any fever-reducing medicine.

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And in the clinic?

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For us, it's droplet and contact precautions. But you escalate to airborne precautions for any aerosol-generating procedure, like an intubation.

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Finally, patient education on long COVID. What are the key points we need to be communicating?

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First, just defining it. It's symptoms that persist for three months or more after the acute infection. The most common things we see are just debilitating fatigue that affects about a third of patients, persistent smell or taste disorders, shortness of breath, and chronic headaches.

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And the most important message for them.

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The most important message is that vaccination significantly reduces your risk of ever developing it.

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This has been an incredible journey, really, from recognizing a simple loss of taste all the way to navigating these incredibly complex drug interactions.

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It has. You know, I like to use an analogy. Managing COVID is like managing a complex flight in bad weather. Prevention and vaccination, that's your airport security and check-in. It's your first and best line of defense.

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Aaron Powell, I like that. So diagnosis and history taking is like customs inspection.

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Exactly. You're figuring out the risk, what you're dealing with, and then clinical intervention, that's air traffic control when you hit the storm.

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Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Mild cases are a smooth flight.

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Aaron Powell A smooth routine flight. But when you hit that severe turbulence, the hypoxia, the ARDS, the cytokine storm, you need aggressive, specialized control. Early antivirals stop the virus, late anti-inflammatories, calm the body's overreaction. It's all about timing.

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Aaron Powell And we spend a lot of time on those therapeutics, especially that very high stakes retonivir component impacts LOVID.

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And that really is the final thought we have to leave you with. When you think about who gets this drug, older patients, lots of comorbidities, lots of other medications, polypharmacy is the norm. That drug interaction screen isn't optional. It's absolute because the best early treatment in the world is worse than useless if you cause a lethal drug interaction. Maintaining that vigilance and that critical five day window, that's where excellent clinical care happens. That's where the learning truly begins.