PILTDOWN MAN AND THE CARDIFF GIANT
Two longtime friends, one a former comedian and the other a world traveler, riff on life, the arts, music, sports, travel and Horehound candy, and follow rabbit holes on just about anything. Much of it tongue in cheek while entertaining themselves and hopefully you. Future plans are interviews and at least one listener.
PILTDOWN MAN AND THE CARDIFF GIANT
(20) "Where's Waldo?-Two Friends Trace A Crooked Path From Oily Bolts To Tax Forms"
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Ever felt like your whole career was a series of side quests that somehow turned into a life? We trace that crooked line with stories that swing from a deep construction hole to a sprawling warehouse full of oily bolts and impossible quotas, then pivot to the quiet logic of choosing a stable state job over flashier sales money. Along the way, we use humor to admit what work really takes: endurance, small schemes that help you survive the day, and the humility to pick trade-offs you can live with.
We dig into the grind behind “simple” jobs—how 52 orders an hour isn’t motivation, it’s a maze you learn to navigate while your fingernails ache from metal shavings. Stacking window fans to the ceiling doubles as a puzzle and a lunch-time hideaway. The crew politics, the nicknames, the way one overperformer can raise the bar for everyone—these are the unglamorous truths that build character even when they don’t fill a resume. And then there’s the money wisdom most people learn too late: refunds don’t mean you “won” taxes, withholding is a lever not a score, and stability can be worth more than a bigger paycheck when the benefits and sanity add up.
We also rewind to school and the odd paths that led us here—guidance counselors guessing “dress designer,” bunny courses that taught us more about systems than subjects, and the strange fact that testing well can open doors a major never will. There’s a throughline from craft jobs and bureaucracy to writing and comedy: fitting pieces together, finding the premise, landing the punch. By the end, we’re teeing up a deeper dive into state tax work and a long stretch on improv and stand-up—the places where hard days become good stories.
If you’ve ever had a job that felt like a dare, or traded prestige for peace, this one’s for you. Listen, share it with a friend who’s stuck between pay and purpose, and leave a review with the toughest job you ever had and the lesson it left behind.
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SPEAKER_02everybody, it's Filtown Man and the Cardiff Giant. We're episode 20. Finally. Twenty, yeah. Twenty. Yeah. And we had the, you know, the whole last episode was about jobs and stuff that we had. All of the early things didn't even get the stuff that we did later.
SPEAKER_01When we were mature adults, what was that? For me, it was about 47 as mature adults.
SPEAKER_02Well, I was working before then.
SPEAKER_01Well, we did, but that got to be a mature adult at about 47.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I think it happened for me Thursday. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that I'll ever be quite there. But I I remember when you worked as a stripper.
SPEAKER_01You remember that? Well, I tried to repress that apparently. I've done a good job of it. But uh, you know, I made a quarter.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you were 7.5 back then. And Eddie, let me just go back then.
SPEAKER_01I was a 7.80 every time. Were you? Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I I don't even think I don't think male strippers, unless they're an eight, I don't think they're getting any work.
SPEAKER_00Well, I found I wasn't making a lot of money, but you know, I just thought that was the way it was gonna go.
SPEAKER_02You know, and and that is a little bit true. I mean, as a four, I never dreamed of being a stripper. I ever did. And I don't think you were really ever a 7.8.
SPEAKER_01Well, you shouldn't. As a four, as a close to an eight, I was twice as strippy as as you are, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I don't think uh I don't think you were ever that high. I think it's mainly you you probably got up to six, six and a half, but it was because of the clothes. All those clothes you were buying by bring them uh brand name clothes, like you said, the last.
SPEAKER_01So you're thinking uh my my my coattails were uh were coattailing my coattails, yeah, for the words.
SPEAKER_02What I tried to do as a four, uh, which is the perfect place to be, it really is. You don't get noticed, and they don't turn their heads away. That that's how I define it. And I had to kind of adjust, you know, you're better looking when you're younger. And as I got older, I had to grow a beard for a while because that kind of helped cover up. And then uh, as I was balding, I had to get a hat. So I'm you know, wearing hats and and shaving, and then uh then around my ass, you know, got the all the bags and stuff around my eyes, so I had to buy dark glasses.
SPEAKER_01It's hard for me to tell you've got bags around your eyes because I can't see for the bags around my eyes.
SPEAKER_02But I think, you know, that's the kind of adjustments that I've made just to be a four. And I don't have any interest in being higher than a four. I really don't. Well, not now. I mean, what would be the point, really? I mean it never was a point. I wasn't gonna get any girls anyway. And uh every time I did something that kind of pushed me up above the four, I backed off. Too much pressure. Yeah, too much pressure. It's way easier when nobody noticed you. Uh but yeah, so but you know, let me tell you something about all that. I was thinking of who's the other fours uh that I've known, and I don't know many. Uh when I tried to get together a bunch of fours, the people lie. You know, they're sixes and fives, but they feel like they're fours, or they're twos and threes and think they're fours.
SPEAKER_01That's that that's kind of uh what would you call that confidence shaming in a way? So, you know, they're very confident that they're probably closer to six or seven, but they're gonna pretend like six and three.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Exactly. And I don't always say, hey, you fives and sixes, get the hell out of here.
SPEAKER_01You with your perfect nose, get the hell out of here.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. It's yeah, I I did think of I know one place where uh there are fours, and that is in the where's Waldo books. There are fours in that book. Oh, yeah, yeah, because Waldo, obviously, you're looking for Waldo. I don't know, is he uh high he's gotta be average because you can find him in there. Well, it seems like it takes it takes a little work, so he's it's probably the close. Yeah. It's probably the close. He probably was uh just compensating, but but all the other little figures in there, all the other people, all fours. Yeah, you don't remember many of them, do you? I don't remember any of them. No, that's your point that's my point, yes.
Adjusting To Aging And Being A “Four”
SPEAKER_02Anyway, we talked about jobs last time.
SPEAKER_01Well they we'll go for my stripper job then. We'll natural segue. I wouldn't I would uh we don't want to talk too long about that. My family doesn't know anything about that. Well my family would be proud, probably.
SPEAKER_02They go, uh well, nobody would buy it, but yeah. Uh I did have somebody ask me one time to pose nude. She was a painter, and it was somebody that I knew. And yes. Was it Rubens? Yeah. Well, when they uh when they asked me to do it, I thought, ah, yeah. No. There's no way. It's cold when no corn again. And everybody's gonna know it. That's right.
SPEAKER_01And uh so parking back to the Seinfeld.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she better she better do a little enhancement uh if she's gonna have me pose nude. Do you know there's shrinkage?
SPEAKER_01Yes, Elaine says or ask, or or George asks.
SPEAKER_02I still know the girl. Uh and when I see her, I think about it, but we it never gets mentioned anymore. I think my my nude uh days are over. Um I have made money at other things though. Well, I I've got one, another one right after, you know, we talked about the craft food stuff and all that, yeah, and uh my bout with death and that. Didn't you say you went in a hole one time?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was working for a construction company called Sheely Construction um down on Manchester Street, and uh I was working with it. I'm not trying to be mean, but uh the most of the crew was they were either winos or uh dope fiends, except for me, and you know, and I was still young. I hadn't had time to get into that. But anyway, they I they we had been uh putting up uh uh digging holes for street lights. Um and um we were running conduit, we were running this uh pipe for conduit, and we ran it across and we couldn't find the end of it. And the idea is to find the end of it to run uh electrical wire three. Well, we dug down to it and found it, but it was about 12 feet down at a 45 degree angle. And it if the hole was only big enough for me, and I I was six feet one, but I only weighed about a hundred feet.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say you must be a lot taller than I thought you were.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was I was six feet one, and uh they tied ropes around my ankles, of course, house, which you get down there. So they tied ropes around my ankles and lowered me down into this hole. And that before I went down there, I said, This doesn't seem very safe to me. You know, I'm just trying. And and the response I got was, oh, you know all about it, don't you, college boy? Because this was a smart time for me.
SPEAKER_02Oh boy.
SPEAKER_01And you know all about it, college boy. Get your ass down in the hole. So anyway, I uh they lower me down in there, and I I remember it being really dark, and I remember being really cold. And I thought, I remember that people, these things cave in on people all the time. Yep. And uh I did find the end of the conduct pipe uh and was able to take the end off of it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I like the fact that they go, we need somebody to go in the hole. What about that kid? We're a bunch, we're winos and drug addicts. We go let's let's bring him down a notch. That's probably that probably was part of it. That was as much part of it as anything. Well, that's uh it's a weird one. And I got that same kind of uh thing when I after uh after I got married and everything, I went to uh I got a job at well, I got a job at Bellkamp warehouse in uh Louisville, and I got to actually did that job a couple of years while I was that was a big old place, wasn't it? It was huge.
SPEAKER_01Wasn't it like a city block practically?
SPEAKER_02It was yeah, yeah. And they were busy and they were making a lot of money, and it was uh, you know, it was just one of those things. But I uh I took a job not knowing, you know, just it's a job. What do you want me to do? Well, it turns out what they needed was they needed a guy to count nuts and bolts and put them in boxes.
SPEAKER_01Uh the nuts and bolts of it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And and a lot of the nuts and bolts that we did, we had to do, we had to cover 50, I think it was 52. I'm gonna say 52. We had to cover 52 orders an hour. So you had to haul ass. Did that have something to do with the number of weeks in a year, do you think? I don't think so. I think it had to do the they did uh they can tell how many previously had been done. Because that'd be silly. That's equating it with weeks of if you did over 52, you got a little bonus checks. Yeah. And we had a guy in there that I think what I hear is that it was like 40 or something before, and this guy did it and uh you know made it tougher everybody else because he'd he'd work his ass up for that bonus, and then they just adjusted the number of orders. So everybody had to suffer that. And it wasn't easy because the bolts, the nuts and bolts, some of them were in boxes, some were not, some were in bats. Yeah, and they were oily. Wouldn't that hurt on your fingers and fingernails?
SPEAKER_01Oh fingernails?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, it it was the the you know, where the bolts got reamed out, there was all those little shards of metal in there. Oh yes, yeah. So yeah, after about two days, I didn't really have I didn't really have fingers anymore.
SPEAKER_01And getting those uh sharp pieces up under your fingernails too.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep. And
From Stripping Bit To Nude Art Offer
SPEAKER_02had to dig those out. Yeah. And then the other thing was you when you go in to grab the orders, the guys that had been there a while knew which orders to take and which ones not to get that 52. And this kid that I was talking about that worked so hard, he'd always leave those things. And uh I got them, and they were um it was it was an assortment of threaded rods, 350 pounds worth of rods and stuff that you had to put together and bring over. That was one order, and it was more than a one-minute job, I can tell you that. So my point when doing it was thinking, you know what, I this is not gonna be my job.
SPEAKER_01You know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like the kind of job you'd have in hell. I'm not a big uh believer in much of anything having hell. That'd be pretty funny, wouldn't it? Yeah, I mean for eternity, this is your job. For eternity, you need to sort these bolts and nuts.
SPEAKER_02And they would have they would have sales every now and then uh to where they get backed up in other areas. So the other parts that I did there were I would go snack, I mean, snack, I would go stack window fans, uh big, big warehouses full of them, just stack them and stack them and stack them constantly. Um I tried to stack them in such a way that I'd leave a space that I could get in there and snooze uh during lunch. I didn't snooze, but I was yeah, that was a tough one.
SPEAKER_01And and snowmobile grease. But but back to these stackable fans, were they like in the pyramid, like your dad would have liked you?
SPEAKER_02No, no, this was we stacked them I don't even I mean, I don't think most people use window fans anymore, do they? I don't think so. Uh but yeah, they we stacked them high, and there was a big demand for window fans back then. How did you get them high? Did you have some sort of a conveyor belt? No, no, we had me standing as high as I could be and putting them on the top. Yeah. Yeah. Um and you were talking about the guys giving shit to the college boy. Uh I had a lot of that because I kept saying, I don't want to do this forever. And one guy that was there, I'd see him at lunch every day, and he goes, Yeah, you college boys. He said, What, you gotta take a job that makes you wear a tie? I mean, that was hell for him. The idea that you might I'm going, well, I I might be willing other than chewing my fingers off with these uh threaded rods
Lowered Into A Dangerous Worksite
SPEAKER_02and stuff. Um but yeah, it was a it was a tough, tough job. I did it two summers, and then after I graduated from college, I didn't have a job right away, and I thought, well, I'll take you know that one. Just take what you can get. Yeah. So I I went back to Belknap and worked another five months before I got the job, and uh it was a jewel of a job that I got because uh I was a state job and it was with the revenue cabinet.
SPEAKER_01It had health benefits, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, so the benefits were good, but it was a pay cut. Yeah, and uh, you know, that was playing a part in my decision. And then they told me, said you come in here. The bell nut people told me we have uh sales jobs uh that we can get you into now that you have a college education. Um they paid better than going to the revenue cabinet, but I I declined it. Can you imagine me trying to sell anything to anybody?
SPEAKER_01Well, but also you uh your thinking was you you got a business degree, didn't you? And you thought I'd sort of like to be able to use that. But and did you? Yeah, I I mean kinda.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay. Uh none of the I mean what I was really interested in at the time was advertising. And I liked it because of the creative part of it. I didn't, you know, as far as trying to sell stuff to people, I would have been the worst.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can't imagine you selling anything like that. You want any nuts and bolts? No. Okay. I'm out of here. I've got a bunch of metal things I'd like to sell you today. You interested?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we have we have a sale going on. It, you know, it kind of reminds me of some of the stuff I used to talk about beds when people were bed salesmen. I said, you cannot buy one at the regular price. They're on sale all the time. You go in there and offer them and say, no, no, no, I want the regular price on you can't buy one. But yeah, I did that, and then I got in the revenue cabinet, and that was 1973.
SPEAKER_01And for people listening outside the state, that's the state taxing authority for Kentucky. We happen to be a cabinet. That's just the way it was set up.
SPEAKER_02It wasn't it wasn't a cabinet when I got hacked. It wasn't? No. No, it was the Department of Revenue. Now it's back to Department of Revenue for the Reddit. Yeah, I mean, full circle because naming it something different makes it a hell of a difference.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it makes it more efficient, I think, probably.
SPEAKER_02Uh but yeah, when it was it was the Department of Revenue, and the first question I always get, uh, oh, you're a tax man, huh? Well, how come I mean this sounds like something my uh the person who shall not be named that I was married to said, how come, how come at work they're they're talking about getting, you know, $400 refund and you're getting $200? And you have to explain to people, first of all, how much tax did you pay total? That's all they care about. And they usually go, no, I don't know. And I go, okay, well,
Warehouse Grind And Gaming Quotas
SPEAKER_02that's the starting point. Because if you want to get the biggest possible refund, what do you do, Ed? You withhold all of it. You withhold everyone and you're gonna get a hell of a refund. That's right. You can waive that. It's gonna be pretty much equal to your yearly salary. Yeah. Uh and the truth is, I guess we're giving tax advice now. Why not? We work there. Um, if you hold on to your money, if you pay at the end, you can put it in a bank and draw some interest on it. Is that being too preachy?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, it kind of is, I guess. I, you know, uh I I'm not really a business guy nor an accountant guy. All my college hours are in English and political science. And so uh, you know, I happen to work for the Department of Revit also, and it it was truly uh But you have a business degree, don't you? No. No, no, I mean how the hell did you get his name? I can score a hundred on any of their freaking testing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so they always say I always say you can you have to be in the top three is what it was. Then you take this and you have to I was number two. Well, you know what? I don't know where I was, but I made the final three, and the reason the guy said, Well, what we do is if it's not somebody we uh want, uh we uh interview them or don't. If we call them and they don't answer the phone, we knock them off and pull up the next guy. So you get up. Yeah, so so it didn't mean a whole hell of a lot. Um I I was a business major. I have a BA in uh uh marketing, and again, I wasn't thinking about selling at all. Uh it makes sense. I I actually chose that major because I kept being told by everybody, well, if you're gonna, you know, you can go get a business degree to make money.
SPEAKER_01And so I was in 1968, 59, 70, 51, that was the case.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. That was the case. And and and even uh advisors uh would say, you know, if you if you want to make money, then major in whatever you want, but minor in business. Right. I got that advice too.
SPEAKER_01So but you didn't do it, huh? No, because I had a hard time with debit and credits. You know, I never off the bat that I was having a difficult time. It's funny because I took an accounting course right before I went into the Air Force because that's what I was gonna be doing, and I thought it might be nice to have an accounting class behind me, you know, just for the sake of having it. Yeah. But um, I figured out really early that it was sort of I I felt the same way about economics. That's just not my bag. That's just not for me, as you would put it. Right. And I have a difficult time with with I I'm uh I'm with I'm a verbal guy. I'm I'm good at reading. Well, you're doing really good right now. I'm in fact yeah, I had a hard time getting the word verbal out, didn't I? So uh, but I've never been uh particularly a math guy. I think we've talked about this before. Can I do math at computations in my head? Yeah, I thought everybody could, so but they can't, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'll get into my schooling sometime, but I uh but yeah, I have no interest. I like science. I like I did like math. I like math and science, and eventually I liked writing. Um, but it took me a while to get there. I've seen your opinion ship, and it's not the double. No, no. Well, that part is no, no. Oh, okay. Okay, no. Uh I write like most doctors.
SPEAKER_01Uh it's not it's talking about writing like short stories and things like that, aren't you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And and eventually writing comedy. I mean, I got really good at it. Uh but I I certainly didn't. I I didn't even did you did you have a a counselor, uh, a guidance counselor in high school?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Let me tell you about her. It's funny you should bring that up. Uh Miss Willie Anderson was as a junior and senior. She was already um 89 to 95 years old. That's how old the guidance to guidance counselor was, in case you didn't hear it the first time. She was 95 years old. So she didn't even recognize me when I'd go in to have discussions with her about um what I was taking. I was taking a uh pre-college curriculum uh because I knew I was going to college. I wasn't doing any work, but I did have a guidance counselor, and she was absolutely I don't disrespect her because she was doing the best that she could, but the school system should have hired somebody else.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They should have hired someone else.
SPEAKER_02Isn't that true though? For I mean, our guidance counselor, now she had a better name than yours did. Ours was Marie Farmer Baker. She had two professions already in her name. I guess she hyphenated that farmer. Uh but uh yeah, I she told me one time, I I mean, mainly what her purpose was is to uh handle all the paperwork forget. That was the extent of it. That was pretty much she did tell me one time, once you take this test, it'll find out you know what what you want to be. And I said, okay, yeah, sure, I'll take this. Uh I was pretty good at taking the test. But after it got over, she said, Yeah, what
Window Fans, Grease, And Lunch Naps
SPEAKER_02they want you to be, what they think you're best at, is a dress designer. A dress designer. And, you know, my my first thought was, oh shit, then it didn't mean anything. Yes. I think it did. Looking back on it.
SPEAKER_01Let me tell you how I think it did. Because it's a little bit artsy. But it's also being able to put things together in a in a rational sort of way. Don't you think it is? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Fitting one part into another. So and and that's what comes through for your writing. You have to figure out what the what the premise is going to be and how to get to the punchline and that kind of thing. So it sort of makes sense.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it does to me now. At the time it did not.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I thought when I went to college, I don't know about you, but when I went to college, a little more like I want to enjoy this four years because I'm afraid that I'm going to Vietnam. Well, of course. And uh Well, I got drifted. And when I was in, you know, this this will change people's mind about me that know me before. I I was pretty smart in grade school, high school, and even college. But if I wasn't interested in the topic, I didn't do, I mean, I didn't do anything. And my grades are reflected by that because and and in some cases I cheated. I did. I was I was awful. If I didn't know it, I knew somebody was good at it. Uh you know, I'd look, I was not uh beyond looking at their papers and uh, you know, things like that. I also picked as many bunny courses as I could. Yeah. How many people even know what a bunny course is? Well no.
SPEAKER_01The bunniest course I ever took. Can you pop mine? Oh yeah, go ahead. No, you go first. No, but I want you to go first. I took I had to have two hours and something at the very end. It was an elective. And of course I went out there searching for anything that I thought I might be interested in. And I thought, you know, I spent all my life camping. There's a camping class I think I can get an A in. And they had me build a fire, not with sticks, necessarily well, with tender and kindling and stuff like that. But it wasn't anything other than lighting a match and making a fire. And that's that's how I got the A for it.
SPEAKER_02I still think you did more than I did for my goal. Ours was a geography class. Well, that's harder than what I had to do. No, no, not this way. This guy, this guy teaching it, uh had no interest whatsoever in teaching. And uh what he did was he based all of your grade on a project that you had to do. Uh uh you do your project and you get your grade. And we we went over to uh a group of us, like four or five guys, went over to the science uh class and rented uh a movie. I think it I think it was geology rated, you know, uh related. Uh, but we went over and read, uh just took it, uh, showed it in class. We all got A's and that was it. This is the crazy thing. That was that was 90% just showing up, wasn't it? Yeah, it was it was a hundred percent showing up, and uh one of my close friends uh went over and uh rented that same movie and showed it at a future class. Just we'd already set through it, we set through it again.
SPEAKER_01What was the outcome for him?
SPEAKER_02He got a B. And he went up and told the teacher, this is not fair. They showed that movie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but they showed it first.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they showed it first. He said, Yeah, you're right, and gave them a name. So that's how much uh that's how hard that was. But uh, yeah, these things are all interested, interesting things, and you know, we probably should save some of this and get into the revenue.
SPEAKER_01And none of them had to do with showing a movie uh in a geology class, I thought geography class. Uh, but yeah, let's talk about that because we want to talk about some of the great folks, uh, and I mean that, it's not tongue-in-cheek, that we worked
Choosing Security Over Sales
SPEAKER_01with uh in the revenue cabinet department of revenue.
SPEAKER_02Well, we're kind of running out of time right now, at least so we'll we'll make a special episode for the Department of Revenue, and I didn't even mention really the other things that I made money on. I did stand-up comedy, I was in an improv group, and I'm gonna have uh I'm gonna have a very special guest for a future one about the improv end of it. Is it Clint Howard? Clint Howard It's not Clint Howard. I mean, uh it could be, it could be, but I I kind of doubt it. Uh, you know, I've made money doing glass art, you know, a lot of jewelry and stuff like you did that for like 10 years. You bought some of the things.
SPEAKER_01I did, I did. I sold it on eBay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Uh you haven't bought any of my pores, though, my acrylic. No, I'm interested in some of them. I just pay them. How interested are you? Not enough to pay to you. I mean, you're not even paying for it. You're not even paying what you owe on the podcast.
SPEAKER_01But uh hear more about the the comedy thing because I think that that should take up at least uh half of a uh an episode.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think well I think if I get into the comedy, I'm probably in for uh you know half-hour or more. It might even be a two-parter because there were so many things that I wouldn't want to leave out.
SPEAKER_01Well, are you gonna do your bit during that half hour episode? I might.
SPEAKER_02Well, what the hell? Might as well. And you you can play all the songs that you've written so great. All right, guys. Thanks for listening. We're probably gonna make this a two-part thing and release them at the same time. It would be nice. It's a special 20th uh episode.
SPEAKER_01It's a theme. It's it's get you know, it's uh it's got some uh unifying concepts in it.
SPEAKER_02So we'll call it like 20 and 20 B. Yeah. We'll make it a B size. You know, you know, though that really bugs me. We did that wacky Wisconsin thing, and some of the people have listened, there's like four people that have listened to part two, but not part one.
SPEAKER_01Well, it seems like you would surprise them just jumping right into it. Yeah, it must be something early. Especially the way you came in for it. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02But I uh, as an OCD person, that drives me crazy. So if anybody wants to go out and just listen to part one and then get out. Don't listen to part two. I need them to be even. That's just me. Okay, Eddie, let's get out of here.
