PILTDOWN MAN AND THE CARDIFF GIANT

(52) "Fulcrum Friday At The Imaginary Store"

Joe Flush

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A teeter-totter accident statistic hits the “news,” and we cannot let it go. If injuries are supposedly down, is it because kids got safer or because the teeter-totter basically disappeared? From there we tumble straight into the best kind of conversation: the kind where childhood nostalgia, real-world common sense, and a little bit of mock-serious “research” all fight for the mic.

We trade stories from late 1950s and early 1960s playgrounds, when metal slides got hot enough to hurt and a missing slide somehow turned the whole structure into a fort. We talk through why slides cause so many playground injuries, why patience at the bottom matters, and why a seesaw is more than a board on a rock once you understand the fulcrum and the lever. Yes, we also invent a “fulcrum store,” because that is how our brains work.

Then we veer into myths people swear are true: are left-handers smarter, do they multitask better, and why do certain athletes look smoother from the left side? That thread opens into bigger questions about individuality, DNA odds, and why it can feel like nobody is quite like you. Naturally, that leads to Elon Musk, trillionaire talk, and a surprisingly sincere detour into what scientists think about intelligent alien life and the math behind it.

We wrap with more swing-set chaos, a childhood story we only half want to tell out loud, a reality check on blonde stereotypes, and a heartfelt dedication. If you like funny conversations with real takeaways hiding inside them, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave us a review. What piece of playground equipment do you still remember most clearly?

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Cold Open And Podcast Math

SPEAKER_01

Hey everybody, it's Piltdown Man and the Cardiff Giant. We're in episode 52. I'm Joe Flush and my partner Eddie Penn. Hey guys, how are you doing? All right. You realize that 52, if somebody could listen to an episode, just one episode every week, and in a year, they would be further behind than they are now.

SPEAKER_00

That's right, because how many weeks are in a year?

SPEAKER_01

Uh 52.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's right. I think that's right.

SPEAKER_01

And we're putting out 104 episodes.

SPEAKER_00

And we decided that this podcast was as informative as it was funny, we hoped, you know, pretty much information as well as uh comedy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I don't know. I think that was a youth thing. I don't give a damn whether I don't care about informing anybody or anything.

SPEAKER_00

Well, they get the 52 weeks whether they want it or not in a year. I'm sure you still have some folks saying, well, actually not.

SPEAKER_01

What if you did one extra episode? Well, if you did 108 episodes, you're still gonna be behind. You're gonna have to catch up with another one. Uh and let's say you have another one each week. How long will it take to catch up?

SPEAKER_00

Oh my God. You uh this is math, isn't it? I didn't know there was gonna be math.

SPEAKER_01

I should have caught Mary Kay up here. Oh Lord. Well, Eddie, I I don't know much important stuff that's going on. I've been watching a little bit of the news, and you know, the news, I mean, as we've talked about,

Teeter-Totter “News” And Nostalgia

SPEAKER_01

the news is not the news necessarily anymore. There's all kinds of stuff on there, and they seem to have to fill it in at the end. You know, they they they have to fill you in with a a story like here's the one I heard. They said they uh they've done a study and found that uh teeter totter accidents are down to a low since they've kept statistics.

SPEAKER_00

Well, they're gonna be low or high, aren't they? And I put the punchline there. Well, the other.

SPEAKER_01

They're low, then they're high, then they're low. But why would you think teeter-totter accents would be down?

SPEAKER_00

I can tell you why, because there are fewer teeter-totters. Right. That's that's that's the answer, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01

And we never and we never had one in Camelsburg. We had what what do we have? We had seesaws.

SPEAKER_00

We had seesaws on our our playground in our elementary school and and at the park. I think we had a small park that had back in the late 50s and early 60s, but mostly on the playground. That's we had a seesaw. If we didn't have a T D. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So And that was at our school. Uh we had one. There might have been two. They may have had two there, side by side. You know, so one would go down and the other one would be up.

SPEAKER_00

And well, that makes it more fun. It makes it more interesting, I guess, that way, if you can sort of change up like that.

SPEAKER_01

I'm I'm wondering how and first of all, how did that thing become a uh an attraction? I mean it's somebody had to invent it. Somebody had to invent it.

SPEAKER_00

That's probably something that we should should have done, or we can look up one of these days to see who the inventor of the teeter-totter slash seesaw was.

SPEAKER_01

And uh Well, I can tell you, it wasn't anybody on the playground that came up with that. It was somebody, it was somebody else that came up with it. I mean, somebody just said, hey, that board that's laying there, that board I got off the chicken coop because it's falling apart. Uh what if you sit on one side and I sit on the other side? Well, just flat on the ground? Well Yeah, well, it had to start on the ground, didn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it had to start on the ground. But the the the the guys probably said, you know, it might be more fun if we were able to one of us be on the ground and the other up in the air.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, after they'd done it for like 30 minutes, they realized Oh, it was probably a year, uh I would imagine.

SPEAKER_00

And uh Well, what do you think they had to had to think about? They had to think about another piece of the of the puzzle, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like what?

SPEAKER_00

Like I I'm guessing that they had to have some sort of like a fulcrum of some sort. Yeah, full a fulcrum. And they just pulled the board off the chicken coop to make this thing, and the other and how they're gonna come up with fulcrum. Yeah, yeah. I I'm not sure that they need to know the word fulcrum to come up with the idea of the fulcrum, though.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think? You've got to go to the fulcrum store to get it.

SPEAKER_00

You can't just go any place and find particularly these days.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, back in the days we were growing up, fulcrum store probably was a thing all its own.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. You got any fulcrum's uh today? And the guy would say, Yeah, what's uh what size fulcrum do you want?

SPEAKER_01

And then he tells them and he goes, Ah, I think that'll be in on Friday.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. The fulcrum's come in on Friday. It's called Fulcrum Friday, Friday.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we have two-day free shipping on those. Oh, but no, they had to they had to figure out maybe they took a rock or something, they put that down, and so they went up and they went down, and uh, you know, they said, Oh, yeah, that's cool. Uh you know, you're a little higher up in the air than I am. And that remained fun for you, I'm saying like 15 minutes, you're saying like a year.

SPEAKER_00

I I'm thinking it might be a year or or more, like five to ten years, maybe, that they just sat on the ground and looked at each other from on each end of the board.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it could be.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, you gotta remember, and I know you do, that we're Kentuckians. It takes us a minute. So Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I'll tell you the we had we had a little hill uh that was it was a hill that had been made from the dirt when they dug out the cellar of my grandfather's house. And the they never bothered to uh flatten it out or anything like that. And we actually did take some tube fores and put them over that little hill and kind of rode it. And you know, it was we did other things uh equally, well, I'd say more dangerous than that. But somebody did that and and people noticed that they were doing it. And they and what did they say? I bet they'd like that on the playground.

SPEAKER_00

You know, but but at the same time, you were saving money. You know, you were just taking the natural uh way to do that. You you were saving uh the uh trip to the fulcrum store, so you save money right there, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, what yeah, but I I'll tell you what, though, they uh somebody knows and goes, you know what, I can make a quick buck out of this. Yeah, of course. And so we'll build them for the playground, and then and then uh teeter totter accidents went up uh pretty fast.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, with the invention of the teeter totter, the uh accidents seemed to increase.

SPEAKER_01

And and why is that? I mean, the the thing itself, you know, pushing off and everything, but you get bored with that, and after a while you're trying to launch your friends.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, there becomes the whole purpose of the thing, or your friend gets off the thing altogether and you don't have your feet under you. Yeah, you hit with flat on the ground, you know.

SPEAKER_01

That is funny 100% of the time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, I saw that. I thought I I don't

Slides Hurt Most And Why

SPEAKER_01

even know why this is on the news. Uh, but they went on to bring out other statistics and I wrote some of them down. They said let's hear them.

SPEAKER_00

Let's hit let's talk about them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. What do you think is the uh number one accident on the playground from playground equipment?

SPEAKER_00

I'm thinking it's the uh it's something that I call a sliding board, and people these days call it a slide. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's not right. Is it right or is it not right? No, it is it is right. It is right. It's uh I was thinking about even those, they've tried to uh you know make them safe now, and we did not grow up safe. In fact, uh our first slang war was uh we had steps at our house, and we would take uh old gunny sacks and slide down those. Uh there were a few bumps in it, but we did that, or we'd take pieces of uh cardboard or something like that and write them down. Uh I don't know if that clock qualifies as a sliding board or not.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you were sliding down a a slide, weren't you? I mean, you put the material underneath your butt.

SPEAKER_01

I guess and it was a cardboard, so it was a sliding board.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, let's talk about that. So I used that expression the other day, sliding board, and I think I used it with someone who was pretty close to my age, maybe 10 years younger, and they said they'd never heard of that expression sliding board in their entire life. That's always been called slide. And I said, I I okay. I said, I'm pretty sure in the night late 1950s and early 1960s, and I'm not too daggone sure that it wasn't after that that people called it a sliding board. Why? Because it was a board, and it uh more or less, even though it was metal most of the time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Was it metal, Ben, during the during the summer? The one in Camelsburg, and I think they got a committee together and go, uh, we want to get a board here. We want it to be as high as possible. Uh, because that's where the fun lies.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. Yeah. And uh particularly for first and second graders, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Small children, very small children.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, oh yeah. All all they just held Camelsburg High was everything from first grade through graduates of high school. Yeah. That's a that's a big range of people. Right. Uh, but yeah, the thing about those, man, they got hot. They got so hot that when you got on there, you wanted it to be over because it was just so hot that they could raise blisters on you if you went too slow.

SPEAKER_00

I know. I think it was because it was metal. I think the primary reason.

SPEAKER_01

They don't do that anymore, do they? Well, they I think they do. They have metals, but mostly they like to put those plastic things in that oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh was there such a thing as a wooden s slide when we were growing up? I can't recall.

SPEAKER_01

I don't recall anything like that.

SPEAKER_00

I can't imagine but with splinters and things like that, but you know, I I suppose it's possible, but but ours is metal just like yours. And one of ours, ours just had the steps up up, and the slide the slide was gone. The slide part was gone.

SPEAKER_01

So that changes it, that changes the activity quite a bit.

SPEAKER_00

It just became like a a a fort of some kind, you know, at the top. It had a little bit of a place you could step off on, but the sliding, the sliding part was, um, was no longer there. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Who gets hurt the most on slides?

SPEAKER_00

Uh uh the Irish?

SPEAKER_01

Possibly. Uh it's probably light-skinned people because of the the we're not used to all that heat. But uh no, I would say um I I looked at that, I figured boys, they're rambunctious. Yeah, I wouldn't. Nope. Number one, people hurt is girls, and it's a wide margin. Uh and the the only reason I can think of that is because of boys.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think probably.

SPEAKER_01

The the girls are going down and they're taking their turns and they're you know and taking time, and boys are so rambunctious they can't wait for the one person to get off the slide to the trend. So so the girls are probably getting pounded at the bottom.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I would guess that. Now let me go back to the to my guess about the Irish. I really don't have anything against the Irish and and slides because I could have easily just said Protestants, maybe, you know, or something like that. So I'm not after a particular group. I was just trying to come up with a group of people. So you know, and just in case anybody's wondering, could have been Protestants, it could have been Irish, it could have been people who left-handers, could have been left-handers, it could have been left-handers,

Left-Handed Myths And Brain Wiring

SPEAKER_00

it could have been guitar players, it could have been just about anything. And that's uh the Irish came first to mind for whatever reason. So now taking care of that.

SPEAKER_01

Don't uh, yeah, don't forget that you're not a comedian.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Uh I mentioned left-handers because I also saw uh there's always been a rumor about left-handers, and do you know what it is?

SPEAKER_00

Uh that they find doing things with the right hand uh difficult?

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's that's the number one answer. Oh, okay. Bing, that's the number one answer. Uh no, there's always been this thing about left-handers being smarter than white handers.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, yeah, I think I've I've heard that.

SPEAKER_01

Do you think that's true? Do they have higher IQs?

SPEAKER_00

I've known a lot of left-handers, and I'm gonna say no. Against left-handers, either, by the way. I'm just not I'm not I just haven't met to them that I think that are smarter than me necessarily. What about left-handers? What about left-handed Irish people? Yeah, who are also Protestants, happen to be Protestants and play guitars.

SPEAKER_01

Uh no, left-handers are not as smart as right-handers. It's close, but they're not. Now, there are differences in in the left and right hand, other than the one we've already kind of pointed out. Uh, and that is their kind of memory is different. Really? Oh, yeah. I I wondered about that all along. The left-handers are better at multitasking. They found that out. Really? Uh their brains are just wired wrong. No, no, they're and and again, I'm not talking badly about left-handers now. Uh no, they're they multitask way better than right-handed people. Right-handed people have better memory and better linear reasoning. Uh so ideally you get two of those people and put them together because it sounds like sounds like you might have a winner there.

SPEAKER_00

Like a super person. Let me ask you this, um, and and sort of an aside, I suppose, but um I've never thought about the intelligence of left-handers or right-handers necessarily as opposed to opposed to each other. But I but I have noticed that all my life that um as I've watched sports and participated in some sports, that left-handers seems more smooth in their movements, some reason or another, than me. Like a left-handed hitter, like Ken Griffey Jr., who's batting from that the right side of the plate and batting left-handed. And and even somebody shooting a basketball, I've always been interested in in a left-handed um basketball shooter. But but specifically, that left-handed power hitter has always seemed really fluid, really fluid that a right-hander just doesn't have. Have you ever noticed anything like that?

SPEAKER_01

Or exactly I I haven't, but it it makes sense to me. Uh that brains are all wired differently. And and that's kind of uh, I guess it's just a tell on it's not just that you find doing things with your right hand or left hand are tougher. It has to do with the whole way your brain is wired. And uh I I'm sure that there's no absolutes on that, but probably not.

SPEAKER_00

What about the person who who's both left who's uh um who's yeah, ambidextrous? Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01

I thought you were gonna I thought you were gonna say amphibian.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because I do that. I'm not a comedian, but I do that from time to time just to be funny and try to be one. But but what about those people that are are ambidextrous? Wonder there's a different wiring in their brains, obviously, also.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I you know, uh I saw, and this is this is off the top of my head. Somebody uh somebody talked about the way that people are wired, depending on their DNA. Right. And they said the thing that you have to realize, all of all the people that have ever been born, less than one-tenth of one percent of all possibilities have happened. So when you think that nobody's like you, it's because nobody's like you. Right, right. Did you follow what I was saying?

SPEAKER_00

I did, but you know, we've gotten gotten back into the math portion of the uh podcast. And I have problems with math. I think you know that. I'm I'm math averse.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well, I said less than one tenth of one percent. I gotta send less than one one hundredth of one percent.

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh, my brain's blowing up right about now. It's like imagining, it's like imagining a person has a trillion dollars, which could never happen, could it? Oh, wait a minute, it has. Never mind.

SPEAKER_01

Well, has it happened yet?

SPEAKER_00

Well, the way I understand that it has.

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Oh well.

SPEAKER_01

Elon Musk. I thought they were getting close, but I didn't know if anybody had actually done it or not.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Elon Musk has been in the news for the last week, he's becoming the first trillionaire ever.

SPEAKER_01

Gotcha. So well, uh, you know, good for him. Good for him. Yeah, I'm for it. He proves he proves every day that money doesn't make you a good person.

SPEAKER_00

So that's true, that's right. Uh got off on a little bit of a political tangent there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I don't even consider him a politician. I uh consider him some kind of alien. Well,

DNA Odds Elon Musk And Aliens

SPEAKER_01

me too. Talking about aliens. Speaking of aliens of aliens. Uh how many do you think more scientists than not think there's intelligent aliens somewhere in the universe or a multiverse?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I have to ask you this. Are uh since the subject is uh playground equipment, do they have to be on a playground? Is that is that the setting or is that not the setting? Well it's not the setting necessarily.

SPEAKER_01

They're still hunting for a fulcrum. They can't find a fulcrum.

SPEAKER_00

I think most scientists I think that most scientists believe that there's alien life in the universe.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Well, that by a big margin. Yeah, a huge margin. But I'm saying intelligent alien life.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, wait a minute. You've got an adjective in front of that uh noun, don't you? Uh I I I I think fewer think that it's intelligent intelligent life forms.

SPEAKER_01

That's correct.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

But more than half?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I think more than half.

SPEAKER_01

More than half believe there are intelligent alien life forms, about 58%. So a little over half.

SPEAKER_00

That there are intelligent they believe there are 58% majority. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01

And and the whole thing is it's mathematical. You know, uh once again, we're getting into math, which is not really your subject there. But you think about how many possible planets there are and how many possible the universe is so huge that it you can't wrap your mind around how many possible places there are that things could develop. No. And then you're also talking about. uh you know time periods. I mean intelligent things could have come and gone, probably dead. Uh and there's no evidence of it that we know of. Right. So yeah, I think kind of think that myself, uh that there are that I it's it would be spectacular if this is the only time this ever happened. It just seems like it would be uh it's almost impossible.

SPEAKER_00

It's highly unlikely that we're the only intelligent life forms in the universe. I agree.

SPEAKER_01

And what if there are how many of those intelligent life forms have ever used a fulcrum? Uh seven probably they're all going they're going I know how you this works but what's the joy in this you barely lifted me in the air I'm an alien I've been all over the universe why am I on this teeter totter? Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Well you had other you had other playground equipment I know that that's same as we did we had merry-go-rounds and swings and things like that. And uh both as we look back on some of those things they they were sort of dangerous.

SPEAKER_01

It's sort of like the slide the slide without the slide and uh but we still but we still used them in the late 50s and early 60s and even after that you know the swing is one that I I guess it's it's relaxing you know to go back and forth on a swing it's kind of a it's not supposed to be exciting.

SPEAKER_00

It's supposed to be it must be relaxing for you. I get motion sickness from it I I tend to throw up well what about just like a port swing? Yeah I get a little bit of motion sickness on that too. I know I sound like a little bit of a you know a Nancy and no offense is you know toward Nancy's but um I seem a little bit like that a Nancy female by the way yeah left handed left handed Nancy a left handed Nancy and I know I seem I probably could have used a better word I seem like a little bit of a sis well no offense to sissies either so um but you know whatever I get a little I get motion sickness uh in in various places and those are two wow like a port swing I can even I can I have it's more likely on a playground swing but if you're getting if you're getting motion sickness on a port swing it seems like you'd get motion sickness just by being alive. I know just walking through the world walking

Swings Motion Sickness And Risky Play

SPEAKER_00

I mean I'm sure you've walked faster than you swing on a port swing you know I think the key was that I had my feet up off the ground somehow or another the last time I got sick on a uh on a port swing and I'm not really saying that I get sick on a port swing to everybody that's listening to this all the time. But there have been occasions where I've gotten sick on a port swing.

SPEAKER_01

Well we've had people asking that question about you for for a long time and uh uh you know the playground swing that was a whole different animal I mean you could swing way up there and I can see why you might get motion sickness there. Yeah uh but uh different ways that girls swing and boys swing girls will swing kind of to relax and back and forth and talking to their friends and having a good time boys are trying to top themselves these that's right okay I went there this time I'm gonna try until I can swing all the way over the bar that's right I'm gonna try to loop it over the top yeah and failing that what else am I gonna do? Well I'm gonna when I get to the high point I'm just gonna fly off of there. I'm gonna bail out yeah yeah landing was never a problem we would have no until somebody broke their wrist or their arm which happened occasionally yeah and but even then you know we kept doing what we did now if uh if you and I had that idea now uh I'd I think then we'd probably be calling for the people in the white coats to come get us.

SPEAKER_00

Uh I think so because we can fall yeah we don't need a swing to fall we can fall you've been falling lately have I what have you fallen lately not lately I've fallen twice in the lot and we've talked about that in the last year but we won't we won't go into that I was thinking about a story that I that I couldn't tell on on a podcast I could but I'm uh I'm hesitant to one of the as a kid is a third and fourth grader uh there was a young girl in our class let's call her joy because that's what her name was okay and and she was blonde and she was cute and I remember thinking that and Joy would say hey let's go out to the playground and play on the swings blah blah blah when we're in third fourth grade whatever it was second third or fourth and I remember Joy would say I'll stand above you and you sit in the swing and I'll I'll I'll pump the swing with my feet but I'll be standing above you well yeah well okay um and I don't have to go into too many details about that I wouldn't no joy that day you can probably I hope you can figure it out by the my description of of what it what happened but um but I remember telling my mother and I just remember her smiling at me like you okay yeah that's the end of joy joys uh girls wore dresses in case people are wondering what the hell are you talking about girls wore dresses when we rescued so yeah and and boys were infatuated with underwear so that's right yeah yeah that's right I don't I don't know I mean some things never change again right uh the uh talking about joy and she was a blonde you said a little blonde yeah are are blondes smarter than other people are oh hey nice segue that's a really that's a real uh smooth segue um you know the the the thing the thing most people think is blondes are a little bit on the dumb side i you know I think that's uh that's a caricature uh uh of of thorps uh but I I don't think that they're any dumber than any other hair color than what do the statistics say that's that's correct that's it's all the same but here's what else I mean how many people do you think oh we'll get back into math here what percentage of people do you think are blind and and it it's probably lower than you think i'm i'm gonna say it's 10 percent it's two percent well and so the fact that they're uh not dumber is kind of irrelevant because they're also not blind yeah yeah

The Joy Story Blondes And A Dedication

SPEAKER_00

yeah uh it it is it does bump up to like five percent for european and north american uh so you're closer there but right it's uh yeah it's just one of those things that you hear all your life the dumb blondes and stuff turns out not so much yeah blonde jokes and things like that you you hear them all the time well Eddie this is uh this episode has certainly followed a theme which is uh I I'm not sure what it is yeah it's followed the theme of no theme again like some of our podcasts yeah but I think we've you you like to educate people so uh so you've educated them about the fulcrum. Yeah well do you have an actual definition you'd like to read about the fulcrum nope nope I do not but I have an actual spelling of fulcrum because it's gonna be uh uh mandatory that you be able to spell the word fulcrum in order to look up the word fulcrum and the word fulcrum is spelled F is in Frank U L C R U M is in Mary Fulcrum so there you go there's some more information for some of our how come how come we didn't get the names for each of the letters I well some of the letters I think were sort of obvious you know well I thought all of them were so uh no they're not all right all right well listen bud it's fun talking to you and and like I said I I get educated every time I talk to you and uh the fulcrum hadn't come up in a long long time for me and you knew that one you knew that one oh yeah I knew what a fulcrum was you know you cannot pretend that you're the kind of guy who would say they had a fulcrum when they did not know what a fulcrum was I agree I need to add something right here at the at the last the other part of that the other the other part of that formula is fulcrum and lever slash lever so those are the two parts of a T-saw a lever and a fulcrum or you can say lever pronounce it either way you want I don't care well I'm I'm glad I mean once again Ed's our Ed stands for educator.

SPEAKER_01

That's right we're gonna we're gonna go now before we go though I do want to uh mention that uh I want to dedicate this episode to a a friend I grew up with from you know from the five time I knew her early in our church uh through now and uh it's odd when you say that uh that you uh there's a friend when you haven't seen the person for over fifty years but she was a very good friend and I just want to dedicate it to her thank you for the thing I think I'm gonna be able to do it.