Conflict Without Closure: How to Let Go When They Never Apologize 🔥

Nobody Is Coming to Give You Closure: How to Let Go and Move On

Nobody is coming to give you closure.

Ouch.

We know. But somebody had to say it.

We’ve been taught that after conflict, heartbreak, betrayal, disappointment, or a relationship that goes sideways, we need closure. We need the apology. The explanation. The acknowledgment. We need the other person to finally understand what they did, admit they were wrong, say exactly the right thing…and THEN we can move on.

Yeah. About that.

What happens when the apology never comes? What if they never admit what they did? What if they remember the whole situation completely differently—or they’re simply not interested in having the conversation at all?

Do you stay stuck forever?

Heck no.

In this episode of Breakthrough with Mallory and Julie, we’re taking on conflict, closure, difficult relationships, emotional healing, and how to let go when you never get the resolution you thought you needed.

And we’re starting by reimagining conflict itself.

Conflict isn’t automatically good. It isn’t automatically bad. Conflict just is. The question is what you do with it.

We break down the HUGE difference between internal resolution and external resolution—because one of them is always required, and the other one absolutely is not.

Internal resolution means doing the work YOU need to do to process what happened, own your emotions, learn from the experience, and move forward. External resolution means having the conversation with the other person.

And contrary to what you may have heard, you do not have to confront somebody every single time they irritate you, hurt your feelings, or do something you don’t like. Nobody has that kind of time. 😂

Sometimes the conversation matters. Sometimes it can repair a relationship, clarify a misunderstanding, or change behavior. And sometimes you have to ask yourself one very important question:

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

We’re talking about how to decide when a difficult conversation is actually necessary, what outcome you want before you have it, why you need to focus on the behavior instead of attacking the person, and why listening may be the most important communication skill you bring into the room.

But here’s the bigger truth:

Closure does not require somebody else’s cooperation.

You can’t make another person apologize. You can’t force them to understand your perspective. You can’t control whether they accept responsibility. And when your ability to move forward depends on THEIR response, you’ve handed them an awful lot of power.

No thank you.

We also get into practical ways to process unresolved emotions—from journaling and writing the letter you never send to giving yourself an actual time limit for being mad. Because your feelings are real and they deserve to be felt…but they don’t get to move in, redecorate, and live rent-free forever.

At some point, you choose forward.

If you’ve ever found yourself replaying an argument, waiting for an apology, wondering why someone did what they did, or thinking, “I just need closure before I can move on,” this episode may lovingly kick you right in the mindset.

Because maybe the breakthrough isn’t finally getting them to say what you need to hear.

Maybe the breakthrough is realizing you don’t need them to.

🎧 Listen now, share it with someone who needs to hear it, and join the Breakthrough Crew as we take back control, stop giving away our power, and keep fighting the war on self-abdication.

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SPEAKER_00 0:15

Nobody is coming to give you closure. That's a hard truth, but there it is. I I'm sorry if I've shocked you a little bit, but we're gonna talk today about how to move forward when you never get the closure you thought you needed. The apology, the explanation, the acknowledgement. Because it's not always gonna come. Welcome to Breakthrough with Mallory and Julie. I'm Mallory Heron, wife, mom, speaker, author, CEO, podcaster, and I really love animals. I also have chickens now.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Oh my goodness, chickens. I'm afraid of birds. That wouldn't work for me. Hey everyone. Uh, this is Julie Birch of Julie Birch Speaks, and I'm a speaker, podcaster, author, and a warrior. And I really do believe we are fighting our war on self-abdication. And I think this topic fits perfectly under that umbrella because what we're talking about is taking back control, not giving away our power to other people and other things that we do not control. So today we're gonna take back control and reimagine conflict and talk about uh the results of that. The the the grief or the the trauma that comes with it, the nobody coming to give you closure mindset. We gotta figure out how to work that work.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah, I think so. A lot of the times closure is something that we think we need when there has been some kind of a conflict. And I get it. I have had a friendship breakup that was particularly tough on me. Someone that was I thought like my best friend. We spent a whole bunch of time together for years. And after like the pandemic, you know, the world was all upside down, you didn't get to go out and see people. And people just apart naturally too. And it just ended up being where I we stopped being friends. And there was a particular conversation that I'd had with her. She'd been doing some stuff that was um not ideal. And I tried to start telling her, like, this really hurts me when you do this. Didn't get to finish it. And we just stopped talking to each other. And I for a long time wondered why what did I do wrong? And it was it was hard, it was hurtful. And I had to really look inward to think, okay, why did that happen? If I'm not going to get to have a conversation with her about it, what did I contribute to that that that friendship breakup resulted from? Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

I I think that probably everyone, all of our listeners, I know I've been there where, you know, the conflict happens, and that's ultimately. I mean, that's obviously something, right? Something happened. Uh sometimes it's obvious contact, uh obvious conflict. Sometimes it's not as obvious of conflict. Ultimately, I I I think sometimes that obvious conflict, like if they actually say to you, you're a complete jerk and I hate you, uh, it it's almost like it's easier to navigate that because there's something there. Yeah. When we feel like we don't really know what happened. Um, my very first roommate, uh, when I I I literally moved out when I was, when I turned 18, I had I had to wait. I graduated from high school early, and I had to wait until my 18th birthday so I could sign a lease. Oh man. So on my 18th birthday, uh, we signed a lease and moved into an apartment. Me and one of my best friends, and I went on vacation with my family, and I came back to my apartment, and she had moved out. Oh, and I had no idea where she was. Nice. I'd no explanation, didn't know there was an issue, just gone. Now we've since reconnected.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Yes, call unsolved mysteries.

unknown 3:51

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Well, and you know, it's funny because this was before we all carried cell phones, and so I it wasn't like I'd been texting with her or talking with her. I'd gone on vacation, I've been gone a week, I just came back and said we should be there. And she took all the stuff and was gone. And so sometimes I think just the in your face can actually even be easier sometimes when we we don't really know. It's interesting to me, though, how people tend to feel or approach the idea of conflict. And we both do training on this, we both talk about this in in workshops and and presentations. And I find it fascinating how often people will say, uh, we want to reduce conflict, we want to eliminate conflict. But then when I pose the question, and I I love, I do it every time, I pose the question, is conflict negative and destructive? Is it a good thing? Is it something if left alone it goes away, or is it something that must be resolved? Interestingly enough, everybody says it's a good thing or it must be resolved. And I think if conflict is so stinking good, why are we trying so hard to get rid of it? So I think that one of the keys to being able to navigate the results of the conflict, which really is what we're talking about with the idea of closure, is we have to stop feeling like conflict is either good or bad. I really do stress the idea that conflict is not good, conflict is not bad, conflict just is it's neutral. We don't need to get rid of conflict. We I mean, healthy conflict's a good thing, right? So it's not about eliminating conflict, it's about what you do with the conflict. And I think that's where we see things like closure come into play, is what are we doing with the conflict?

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah, and it's if you if you go through life avoiding all conflict, you're not gonna be a happy camper. And conflict is really necessary. So there's constructive or destructive conflict. But if you think about like the Civil Rights Act of 1964, that that movement that was conflict and it was very necessary. Absolutely. We can't progress without some kind of conflict. And I know we're naturally averse to it because it doesn't feel good all of the time. Like I don't I don't want to get into it with people. There are people I've met that love doing that. I'm not one of them. Right. But it is necessary. It's like if if you're not doing a great job at work, you want someone to tell you what's going wrong so you can fix it. Right. That's that could be a little bit of conflict, but you'd want that.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

I had a woman one time I was teaching a class, and that was I I'd posed that question of which one is the most accurate response. And I had them do it as a group exercise. And this woman immediately, as soon as she got in the group, she very fast and loud said, conflict is definitely negative and destructive. And everyone else, kind of in her group, this one woman in particular, was like she was trying to talk her down off the ledge. And she's like, Well, no, I mean, it doesn't have to be. I mean, it could be a good thing. And she said, No, conflict is war. I was like, that is the perfect name for a training class, which is what I call it now. That's my conflict class, conflict is war. But then the other lady again was like, Well, no, I mean, maybe I want red tablecloths and you want blue tablecloths. And this woman looked at her and said, Well, that's not conflict, that's just a disagreement. But I was like, but it is but I think there's something to that. Like when you said that like people tend to think it's a bad thing, but the reality is that conflict, the word conflict in our culture, in our vernacular, is per it's considered a negative word. But do we ever think we're going to eliminate conflict? I mean, if you live with other people, you're gonna have some conflict. If you have children, you're gonna have some conflict. If you have parents, and it cannot just be my mama, you're gonna have some conflict. So if you're alive, right. Well, I don't know if I know you're not a big movie person, but in the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks, he's on a deserted island by himself. He has conflict with Wilson, which is his volleyball. Proven by point.

unknown 7:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

If he's creating conflict because you just have to have it.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

So conflict isn't something to be avoided. When I say reimagine it, I really what I mean is that we have to stop thinking of it as good or bad. It just is. It's what we do with it. How do we navigate it from there? Which feels like a super zen thing to say. Like conflict just is hopeful.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Yes. Which, but if you're that kind of a state, you could probably deal with it much better. Right. And I again I don't enjoy conflict, but there's a healthy way to approach it. That's the key. And that I feel like oftentimes is the the skill set that we might be missing. And when it comes to things like understanding why this happened or closure, you're not always going to get that. Right. So what do you do? Personally, I am a big believer in writing letters to people that they'll never ever get. Just make sure you don't mail it.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Just make sure you don't email it.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

No, no. Um if you have a fireplace and you can carefully destroy that piece of paper without setting a fire, then go ahead and give it to the fireplace. Good plan. Like seriously, like journaling, writing letters to people. It's a great way for me to be like, you did this and I didn't like that. Right. I'm usually angry when I'm writing it or whatever. I'm not feeling great, right? Right. But I can work through those feelings and get to a place where I can kind of see their perspective and their side of things. And it helps me work out a lot without having to like one-on-one discuss it with someone. And sometimes you don't even have that option.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

That's right. I think there's uh two kinds of resolution. There's internal resolution and external resolution. Internal resolution is you have to get over it. It's the conversation you have in your head, it's the process you go through. And I do think of it, I use the word process by design because I believe you're processing your emotions. So it's a process. And part of the process might be that you write it down and you burn the letter. It might be that you journal about it. It might be that you phoned a friend, processing emotions, but it's the internal resolution. External resolution is are you going to have a conversation with the person that you have the conflict with? And what I always try to tell people, obviously, this is my number one takeaway, is that internal resolution is always required. Personal conflict, professional conflict, small things, big things, everything. Internal resolution is required. You have to get over it. Because if you're not allowing yourself to get over it and move forward, that stuff is getting people push it down. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Push it down, push down, push it down, push it down, push down, push down.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

You gotta feel your feelings. Right. It's bad for your health. Like literally, you can die because of your heart. You can. If you aren't processing it. And look, I I have a tattooed little reminder for myself. There you go. Also, it's a Beatles song.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Let it be. Let it be. Let it be.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Let it be. Amazing song. I digress.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Elvis recorded it as well. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, I'm a fan. But I do think that that's, yes, it's always required that you have to figure out how to work through that. The external resolution part of it, the having the conversation with someone, that's optional. You have to make the decision. Is this something that requires an external resolution conversation? And that's a decision only you can make. We've all made that decision in the past. I think just reminding yourself that you've you've weighed those options, right? The pros and cons of is this conversation? Somebody told me the other day, and I thought it was funny. Uh, is the juice worth the squeeze? Yes. And I was like, oh, that's good. Because I think that's what we do is we look at them and say, is the juice worth the squeeze? Is this conversation going to benefit? Is it worth it? And I think that what we started with in the idea of closure is that we don't always, you don't always get to have that conversation. That person, what if they're in prison for the rest of their life or they're dead, you know, rest in peace.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

I but if they're in prison, there's a whole process to go through. And I don't know all the steps, but it seems like a lot.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

But you're it seems very involved. I don't know what it is, but it seems very involved.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

But if you want to stay married, you do need to pick your battles. And that means picking your conversations.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

That's one of the things I think about. I've had people tell me before that you have to have a conversation. You absolutely you have they make you mad. If something happens, you have to tell them. And I'm like, are you out of your mind? Clearly, clearly, you have not been married long.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Because if you had to have a conversation every time somebody said something or did something that bothered you, nobody's got time for that. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's got that kind of time. Are you kidding me right now? I and I think you would just be whiny anyway. Let's talk about the things that matter. It's okay if something made you mad or hurt your feelings. You get internal resolution. Work through that.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah, that's a that's an internal thought. Right. That's an internal process. You don't have to look, I get the desire to want to let somebody know or they messed up. I get it. Right. But it's not productive. It's like when you're at work and someone does something wrong, and the boss spends the meeting talking about who did it wrong and what it was that was wrong, instead of, but what are we gonna do about it now?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

That's not per It's not productive. It's not productive. You've got to move on to, okay, but in the future though, and sometimes that means you don't even tell the person.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

That is exactly true. I think that you have to make the decision. And those of you that are wondering, how do you have those conversations? Please go back and listen to one of our past episodes where we specifically talked about, we actually answered a bunch of fan mail questions where we talked about what are the things you say in these difficult or dicey conversations. So there's a resource there for you. We encourage you to go back and check that out because that could give you that part of it. This one is a little bit different because we really wanted to kind of talk more about the idea of the internal resolution and and what do we do with that? Um, one of the ways that I always think about it is that when you're making the decision of whether or not external resolution is required, like, do I really have to have this conversation, right? Is the juice worth the squeeze? Uh, what are the benefits? What are the concerns? Um, is it a pattern of behavior? Is it a one-off event? Uh, is it impacting other people? Is it something that we need to address because it's got a greater impact? I also think that if you make the decision that you want to have the conversation, to me, this is where closure really comes in, is that I think you have to be clear on what you expect to get from it. And I think when you actually know what you want going in, you have a better chance of setting yourself up for success.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Well, you can set your bullet points up for that. Right. I'm just falling off the stool a little bit. It's fine. Just so y'all know, these stools are not the most comfortable stool in the world. They're not.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Those of you that are just listening, just picture it. Yeah. Picture a hard wooden stool that twirls. So you know we get off balance.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

And if you if you want to see me falling off my stool, check on the YouTube. Yeah, go to YouTube and look at it there. You can watch the episode as well. I'm now in conflict with stool.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

With the stool.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Oh, conflict with the stool. Dag nabit. But I I do feel like I I I want to preserve relationships. I don't want to make people feel bad. There's if it's a productive conversation that needs to happen. I like to I'll use my notes app on my phone. Oh, heck yeah. And actually have some bullet points of like, these are the things that I need to say because I'm trying to reach this outcome, which could just be understanding, but that way I don't want to add in things, like spice it up with all the like, and you did this, it did it. It's not necessary. I'm not trying to make someone feel bad.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Most of the time. I think there's three basic reasons why you might choose external resolution. I think one is behavior modification. So I want you, you gotta stop doing that.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

You can't say that anymore, you can't do that anymore, or you need to start saying this, or you need to start doing that. If your objective in this conversation is behavior modification, then you have to name the behavior. You can't be going in there all wishy-washy, and you kind of sort of, and always seems like a never, and now I just shut up. What what name it? Be specific. Focus it on the problem, not on the person, right? You can't name it, you can't change it. That's exactly right. And people cannot read your mind. This it's a theme we've had the last few episodes. Yes. So we have to be willing to name the behavior. But I also think another reason is uh clarification. I think sometimes it's clarification, meaning that somebody said something and you think, glad they say that. What they mean by that? Whoa, wait a minute. And and we just need clarification. And if you're your sincere, objective in having that conversation. And I was kind of teased and say that that is the what we mean by the like the confrontation or the external resolution, it's that moment when you say, Can I talk to you for a second? If if you're gonna do that and clarification is sincerely what you're trying to find out, I just want to understand, is there something I need to know? Then the the most important thing you have to be willing to do is listen.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

And I think so often people don't get that part. They just talk, it's a monologue, and they never shut up long enough for the other person to share their thoughts or their side of it. I know some people. Yeah. I mean, we probably all have it on the receiving end of that. Yes, it's awful. Or it's like, well, I was just kind of thinking, and I know we had that problem, but I thought we got over it, but I was just thinking, maybe kind of sort of, you know, never mind, it's probably just me. Oh my stars. Well, that resolved a lot. So you have to be willing to listen. Closure is such an interesting thing, though. And this is something we've talked about and why we wanted to really kind of attack it in this session, because I think that that personally, I think closure, it's become a buzzword in our culture, right? Like Jerry Springer made millions giving people closure. Maury Povich is a millionaire because of closure.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Not the father.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I mean, it's true, right? It's like that's what so you've you deserve closure. You get that closure. Go get that closure, girl. You deserve closure. Well, so now everybody thinks we're owed closure. When in reality, closure does not come from other people, closure comes from self. No one owes you anything. Nope. But you owe yourself. That's the only one. Yeah. And the thing is, you can't, nobody can give it to you anyway. I mean, there's no here here's the way so I always think about this. If this say that this, you know, jerk, you hurt my feelings. Why would you do that? Why would you cheat on me? Why would you lie? Why would you say that? Whatever. And if that, you know, I mean closure. If I say that and the person responds with, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. You were right, I was wrong. I'll never be able to make it up to you. I'm sorry, you're right. I get to walk away like, I got my closer, I got my closer. But if I say the same thing, why would you hurt me? Why would you, why would you do that, why would you that? And they look at me and say, Because you're crazy. It wasn't me, it was you. Well, now what happens for us too often is that our closure is then dependent essentially on our negotiating sales, right? Can I get this person to agree with me or confess their crime? And do people always confess their crime?

unknown 19:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

No, but there are podcasts that focus on crime because this is not a crime-based podcast. Not this one. Although it seems to come up almost every episode. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Which I don't know what that says about us. I don't know. Maybe we should have a new segment. Crime files or something. I like it, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Right before we do not endorse doing the crime.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

No, no, no, no. We're not crime advocates. No. But speaking of segments, um we do have our favorite end of the uh session one coming up soon. But before we get there, what are some tips that you would give to our listeners uh around this topic?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

I I would say first and foremost, I would reinforce the notion of reimagining conflict. In other words, we have to stop telling ourselves that conflict is something to be avoided, uh that it's something to eliminate, that it's something to be fearful of. If we reimagine it and say conflict isn't good, conflict isn't bad, conflict just is, right? It's what you do with the conflict that makes a difference. Then you can you can go into it with a different mindset. And I think mindset is such a big part of how we navigate it. I would say remember that internal resolution is always required. And to me, that means that, and you said this, that you have to own your feelings. My mom has taught me that ever since my mom is crazy. No, and now she's listening to the podcast. So I love you, mama, but but a little crazy. Um, but she's always said that you have to, there's no such thing as a wrong feeling. So if you're feeling hurt or angry or frustrated, I cannot tell you that's wrong. I can't say you shouldn't be mad about that, because feelings are not facts. Feelings are feelings. So before you can move on, and this to me is kind of the biggest tip is that before you can move forward, before you get internal resolution, before you can stop feeling it, you have to allow yourself to feel it. If you dismiss it too soon, then you'll you'll you'll hold on to it. So you have to allow yourself to feel the emotion so you can move on from it. But you can't feel it forever. At some point you've got to let it go.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Absolutely. And that's that's really my my big tip is accept acceptance. Right. You just have to get to a place of acceptance. That's the only thing that's gonna move you forward. Yeah, you you can't change everybody. You can't control them. You have control of yourself, that's right, and you can accept things for what it is, and then you're it's easier to take action to improve. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

I always say people, if they don't let things go, if they don't work through the process their emotions, and we'll we'll do an episode on we'll we'll do an episode on emotional intelligence, but it's the processing and emotions. And I think people become what I call a volcano person, right? Because they they get mad but they don't say anything, they get mad, but they don't say anything, they get mad, but they don't say anything, get mad, but they don't say anything. And then one day you go ask them for a pencil and they lose their mind. And it's like, I don't think it's about the pencil. And it's not about the pencil, it's about all the stuff they've been mad about that they have not had the appropriate communication skills to navigate. So if that, if you feel that, if that resonates with you, if when I said that you went ouch, that felt a little personal, that lovingly kick you in the mindset, then give yourself the skills. Look for the ways that you can have those crucial conversations. Because if that's part of what you need, if that's part of the closure that you need, it's what do you need to say so that you can choose to move forward.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

That's a big one.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

All right. Well, it's that favorite time of the podcast again. Are you ready for Fen Mil5?

SPEAKER_02 23:10

Fan Mil5.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Fan Mil5.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

All right. So we got several uh questions around this idea. And so that again, you know, you're the ones that are telling us what topics we should dig into a little bit. And conflict seems to come up quite regularly. Uh we we tend to see this quite a bit. And so what we've kind of done with this is we've kind of combined a lot of the questions that we've gotten. So this is not necessarily a specific question from a specific person, but the question is always kind of coming back to the idea of how do I let it go? Right. Like I think people in a logical and analytical way understand that we can't hold on to stuff forever. Yeah. But the questions always kind of come back to, how do I let it go?

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Which is the hard part.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

And it is. I let it go, let it go. So easy to say, so hard to do. Um, but I think that that's really kind of the questions that we're seeing for this one.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

So do you have any thoughts that you wanna I I really I believe in the uh serenity prayer, right? So um meditation just it's an acceptance. Not everything is within your control, and that's okay. You have to get to a place where you've done therapy, you've talked to your friend, you've journaled about whatever, where you can accept what it is, that's right, and then move on looking forward to something else. Right. I I find that it's very, very helpful to make future plans, to get excited about something else, to recognize like reframing it, if this part of my life is, you know, this way or it's gone or whatever, that's opened up new other possibilities for me in a different way that are maybe even more exciting and you're looking forward to. Spend time thinking about the positive, not the negative, and it'll be much easier to letting go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

I have one tip that I would share to this question and to that this version, all the versions of this question we get. Um, and I go back to my mom being a little crazy. Uh, ever since I was a kid, my mom's done this, and I think it's absolutely brilliant. I did not get it until I became an adult, but it really is good. Ever since I was a kid, when she would get really mad about something, she would give herself a time limit for how long she's allowed to be mad. I love that. Isn't that great? And the time limit changes depending on the severity of the issue, right? Some things are small things and you know she has to be over it in a couple hours. Some things she gives herself a week. She gets to be mad about and stew on it. But once the time limit is up, she chooses to move forward. And it's not because she forgets it happened. It's not like, what was it? What was I mad about? It's because she chooses from I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna wallow in this anymore. I'm choosing to move forward, I'm choosing to think about something different. And I think that's kind of what you were saying too, and the idea that now we're gonna reframe it, right? It's time to refocus on positive things. And that that's exactly what the time limit idea is all about. It's like in that time limit, it's okay to be mad. Nobody can tell you you've got a wrong feeling. It's okay to be mad, it's okay to be sad, it's okay to be disappointed, but at some point you have to choose to move forward. Don't make that your life. Right. And and sadly, that's unfortunately what some people do is they never ever seem to let go of stuff. They're mad about something that happened 10 years ago or 20 years ago. Knock it off. Your time is up. But you have to choose. If you start thinking about it again, you start rehashing it in your head again, you have to say, No, I've already been mad about this, and I'm choosing to move forward. And then you have to think about something else.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

So that would be my big tip. All right. That's really my mama's tip.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah, that's which is really good. So, and our time is up for this episode. So, thank you so much for being with us today. Please like, share, subscribe, send this to your friends, send this to your family, to your church group, to everybody, literally everybody. And you know, let us know what questions you have and tell us what you think as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

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