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Arthur Hampton on Exposing Marxism in Modern Society & Government
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Steve talks with Arthur Hampton of the John Birch Society about topics that expose symptoms and degrees of Marxism in Society & Government.
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SPEAKER_03It's a beautiful day on the South Strand. Welcome to Conversations with the Hoff. I'm Steve Hoffman, your host, and with me in the studio today are my two Liberty Crack Media regulars, Randy Oporowski and Tripp Detmering. And Mike is also here. Today we're going to have a conversation with Arthur Hampton. He's the regional director of the John Birch Society. Arthur Hampton is a native of Blacksburg, South Carolina, and he holds a degree from Fruitland Bible Baptist College and North Greenville University, where he majored in Christian Studies and Philosophy. The son of a family that fled communist China for Taiwan, Arthur now serves as Southeastern Executive Director of the John Birch Society, leading efforts across seven states to defend freedom and oppose socialism, communism, and government overreach. The John Birch Society is to advance less government and, God willing, a better world through education, leadership, and gratuitous action grounded in moral and constitutional principles. So welcome to the show, Arthur.
SPEAKER_02Thanks for having me, Steve.
SPEAKER_03To begin with, why don't you tell us a little bit about um what your role is in the John Birch Society and maybe a little history of the John Birch Society?
SPEAKER_02Well, my role as a um a regional director or um a coordinator is to uh start chapters of the John Birch Society uh on the grassroots level um to work together to fight against um tyranny and um communism, a totalitarian state. Um it starts at the grassroots level, and then uh once you're effective on the grassroots level, um county level, then you can be effective on the state level, and then once we're effective on the state level, only then can we be effective on the federal level. So we're just putting groups of people together, um patriots that that like the Constitution, uh that want to um do something that's going do something about what's going on, and um putting them together, talking about the problems, and then saying, let's do something about the problem instead of just sitting around complaining and um just making a difference on the um state level and then and then on the federal level. Um basically what I do is I give people the tools, equip people with the information that they need so they can be effective where they are. Um no matter what they're doing, if you you're misinformed or you've been succumbed to uh propaganda, you really can't do much if you don't know what's going on. So giving them the real news um through our magazine, through the insider report, um, and then giving them the um the the strategy that we have to fight back against tyranny and communism, uh to to decrease the size of government. I mean, if we limited the federal government just to the 18 enumerated powers given to Congress that has the power of the purse, I mean, we would have successfully reduced the size of government by what, eight, eighty-five to eighty-seven percent?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I'd like to talk about that a little bit. You you mentioned about the tools that you provide to the people. As you well know, I have experience with the John Burt Society. For many years I taught your course, the Constitution is the solution. And that to me, you know, you talked about getting people aware of what's going on, and if we only went by the Constitution, we could we could definitely downsize the federal government, which is part of your your your mission statement also. So what do what what are you doing to actually get people more educated about the Constitution?
SPEAKER_02Well, there's several uh different ways that we educate. Um one is that that course there, the Constitution is the solution. We have a new one out um called the Blueprint for Liberty. And um, it's it's a little bit more updated and uh segmented out a little bit. Uh the old one was six one-hour blocks of information. And um this one here, we broke it up into 30-minute segments.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it used to be a little difficult to get people to attend those six consecutive you know, one-hour sessions. Actually, they're like uh an hour and a half sessions because they had to have room for question and answer, stuff like that. So now there is 30-minute segments.
SPEAKER_02Yes, 30-minute segments, and so I would suggest you know doing two or three at one time, uh, you know, four if you're able to uh to absorb that much, and just getting it done quicker. Um but that that's one of the many ways to do that, because if you don't know I mean, there's a lot of people that's just really gung-ho about doing something, but they don't know what their rights are, they don't know the constitution, and if you you don't know how to use your weapons and you go into battle, you you're gonna get killed. And and so what we want to do is equip people with the right mindset, with the right tools of what how our government needs to function. I'll give you another quick illustration. When you when you're trying to put together a puzzle that is our civil government, you you look at the box top of how what it should look like. And if you don't have the box top, you're hard pressed to put it back correctly. Now, not only that, but on the other side of the table, you have people trying to put the puzzle back together, only they aren't looking at the box top that is the constitution on how to put the civil government together. What they're doing is they're looking at a box top that has a hammer and a sickle on it and a totalitarian government, and they're trying to put it together as well. So we really need to understand what the constitution is and what our rights are as citizens before we can proceed to fight the battle and uh put the puzzle back together. And um, and so that's that's one of the many things that that we do to do that. The other thing that um we produce is the scorecards that rates um legislators.
SPEAKER_03Now the Liberty Index or the Freedom Index?
SPEAKER_02The Freedom Index, okay, and also we have the the um scorecard that that goes along with that. What happens is we take six important votes every legislative session and that pertains to the Constitution, and we show how the a certain certain legislators vote. And so in the South here, where you have a uh Republican supermajority, and keep in mind the John Burt Society is nonpartisan, we are apolitical, we're just an educational organization. So there's no there's there's less biased uh when it comes to political parties, and so when we rate someone, it's based off of those six votes, and we show what part of the constitution that it pertains to and whether that's been violated or not. You don't have to say anything good or bad about a legislator, all you gotta do is show the the electorate how they vote, because most people don't even know that. And then they go, Oh, well, do you like the guy or do you not like the guy?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we we definitely need that in South Carolina. I ran a list of um South Carolina legislators who scored above 50 on your freedom index. And out of the hundreds of legislatures of in the House of Representatives in South Carolina, only 20 scored above 50. Now, to me, that's pathetic. And these are Republicans. So what's happened to the Republican Party these days?
SPEAKER_02Well, you you have two sides of the Republican Party. You have the Rhino Republicans, and then you have the the actual conservative Republicans. And it's there, it seems like it's tearing itself apart. And in South Carolina, there is no Democratic presence unless you live in like Charleston or I think you know a little bit of Myrtle Beach and uh Columbia, of course. But everywhere else there's a Republican supermajority. So deciding whether or not they're a rhino or a Republican is is the or a conservative is a telltale sign. And showing them, and I don't care how conservative you talk, I don't care how liberal you talk, how you vote is where the rubber meets the road. And when people see the their electorate sees how they vote, you can decide for yourself whether you like the guy or not. Are the is my representative going to Columbia and representing me, or are they not? And if they're not, then you need to have a conversation with them to see if you they can correct themselves, or you need to find somebody else to represent you because they're going in your place to Columbia or to DC and representing you. As a resident name, representative.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. As a resident of South Carolina for over 20 years, I can tell you that it is highly questionable that the people that we elect and send off to Columbia are representing the citizens. They're representing special interest groups. That's that's that's what I believe. They don't represent me because if they were representing the citizens, most Americans believe in the minimum interference in their lives. But yet, over the past years, the size and scope of the South Carolina government has grown exponentially. And this is being accomplished by Republicans. So they don't believe in limited government, and they they're not really representing me as an individual. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER_02I I agree with that a hundred percent. They they they're not most of them are not representing you, um, the citizen. Most of them are just out for themselves or out to get re-elected. And South Carolina, the overall state scorecard is 37.7. Okay.
SPEAKER_03How does that compare with Texas or Florida or Tennessee?
SPEAKER_02It's much worse. We have the worst Republicans overall of any state in the Union. Our Republicans specifically vote worse than any other Republican in any other state, any other Republicans in the state. I mean, the Republicans in South Carolina vote 43% of the time with the Constitution. The Democrats vote 24%. Now I will say this we do have three individuals this last session that scored 100. But everybody else, it drops really quickly after that.
SPEAKER_03Did they happen to be members of the uh South Carolina Legislative Freedom Caucus?
SPEAKER_02Most of them, yes. And and some of them are uh or most of them are members of the society. I'm not going to disclose membership.
SPEAKER_03Of the top 20 that I was talking about, about half of those were members of the Legislative Freedom Caucus. Now there may be other members that are that are that are members of the uh John Byrd Society also.
SPEAKER_02Indeed. Indeed. But that that just shows when you get good information, you you can use it for good. But when you go down there, the manipulation tactics that they use, um, it's not just one way, there's there's a thousand different ways they use to manipulate the legislators and persuade them to do things that are really contrary to the interests of uh of the people. And that's who they're supposed to represent is the people. The very people that they're um they go down there to represent. I mean, um, and so that's some of the different ways that and tools that we have to use to educate people, um, and you know, get get people on the right track is um is through education. I mean, people say, well, you know, if we can just get this legislator out, it'll things will be better. If we can get that legislator out, things will be better. Um let's say Biden, I'll give you an example. So the people of Delaware has well elected Biden for how many years as the senator? What, 40 years, something like that? It's been a long time. And so when he got to be vice president, the people of Delaware couldn't elect Biden anymore. So what they did was they elected Ted Kaufman. Well, Biden had a 17, Ted Kaufman had a seven, and he ran for three terms, and the guy they elected after Ted Kaufman, he had a 17 as well. So the problem is not legislators per se, that's a symptom of the problem. It's the people that are electing these people that are the issue. And uh Sir William Blackstone said the the law is the moral sediment of the is the embodiment of the moral sediment of the people. And so the moral sediment of the people in Delaware is a Biden or Ted Kaufman or that other guy they they elected after Ted Kaufman. And so that's what the people of Delaware want. That's why they keep electing Biden, that's why, or a Biden, or these people. So term limits is out because if you limit the term of the the elect the legislator, they just elect somebody else just like him. I think a Nancy Pelosi is a good representative for the people that elect her. They re that's the values that they want, is a Nancy Pelosi. So she goes and she does what those people want. So if you eliminate or term limit out a Nancy Pelosi, the people that elected a Nancy Pelosi will let somebody else just like her. Um it's a it's term limits are a false solution.
SPEAKER_03But we have a lot of senators and a lot of congressmen up there that have been in the in Congress in their jobs for 30 plus years. I mean, how when they get to Mordor on the Potomac, they're gonna change. They're not gonna be the same people that were there initially when they first ran. They're gonna get corrupted by the system. So wouldn't term limits really help to weed out the corruption and and get people in there that actually represent you and I that have actual constitutional principles and haven't been uh destroyed by the Mordor and the Potomac syndrome?
SPEAKER_02Well, when you send people um up there or over there, um you need to send somebody with character, like uh Ron Paul. He went up there and he didn't get persuaded with uh all the little tactics they use. Why? Because he had character. If you send somebody up there that doesn't have a strong will and character, that's what happens. And so if they get turned, just vote them out, vote for somebody else, um, because lobbyists, when they see a freshman legislator, they see fresh meat because they don't know all the little tactics and little games that that lobbyists use to manipulate them to do what them they want to do. And that's why the deep state and lobbyists love freshmen. So by the time you get enough, you know, knowledge of the position after being there for a few years, oh well, your term limited out. But I'll give you another example. Look at every single president in the last 50 years that has had a second term. The second term was much worse than the first. Just look at look at Donald Trump. His first term was better than I expected. I mean, really. But his second term, it's like, what in the world? You got you got him in 2016 saying Lindsey Graham was is terrible and the worst person in the world, and then 10 years later, second term, oh well, Lindsey Graham's still great. Well, what happened? He was in his last term, he has no accountability, the people you you've removed all accountability that he has, and so he does whatever he wants to do. Um, Obama's second term was much worse than his first, Clinton's was much worse, even Ronald Reagan, his second term was much worse than his first. And so when you remove the accountability like that, because the only accountability that the the people have over the the elected official is the decision of whether or not to vote for him again. And if you remove that accountability, then they do whatever they want to do. Their sec their final term is basically dumpster fire garbage. And so they do whatever it's it's kind of like um putting in your two weeks notice at your job. Well, what are they gonna do? Fire me? I mean, you're already on your way out. They do what you you do whatever you want to do with the job.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so what what's your position? What's the JBS current position on term limits?
SPEAKER_02Oh, we we oppose them because um it's not freedom.
SPEAKER_03So wouldn't it be nice if we uh we've got some problems with our current constitution. Uh obvious. As a matter of fact, uh uh Patrick Henry, when it came to be ratified in in Virginia, he actually talked about against ratifying the Constitution because he saw it as a a vehicle that would eventually expand the size and scope of the federal government. So I hear there's a lot of talk these days about constitutional convention. What does the JBS say about constitutional convention?
SPEAKER_02Well, if we had a constitutional convention, we had the the question is, is our legislators today more American, more patriotic than the founding fathers of America or more communistic and totalitarian in their approach to government. That's the question. And I think I I pretty much everybody 99% of the time would say that the founding fathers of America were more freedom-minded um than the legislators that we have today. And so to hold a constitutional convention and open the whole constitution up to be changed, I don't think is the solution because you're going to come up with a constitution that is so far different and more talitarian than what we have now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the the con is supposed to be limited. Matter of fact, it's only supposed to be limited to like three particular issues or whatever. And that's a lie because if you look at the first constitutional convention, we had the Confederation of States, the Articles of Confederation. Okay, we're just gonna have a constitutional convention and just minor changes. B. It was a total rewrite of the Constitution. It was a runaway convention with a new constitution for the United States. So I don't believe any of these CONCON people that come up to me and say, Oh no, it's not gonna be runaway. We're only gonna focus on three different issues.
SPEAKER_02Well, look at look at not only look at the precedents set by that, you know, they were supposed to amend the Articles of Confederation, but look at Venezuela, okay? Chavez, he he had a problem with with the Constitution because he wanted more power. And he said, Well, let's hold a constitutional convention because their constitution was modeled very much like America's. So they held a constitutional convention, I think it was 98, and said, Oh, we're just going to change a couple little things and and not mess with the whole thing. Well, what they did was, just like they did in Philadelphia, they threw the whole thing out, come up with a new totalitarian, communistic constitution, and they went from the richest country in South America to starving in what, five years?
SPEAKER_03A little bit longer than that, but it was not a pretty site, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it was it was it was very drastic. And so the same thing I think will happen here with the precedent set. And and the other thing is we're thinking about it wrong. The Constitution is not the problem. The Constitution, getting back the Constitution is the solution. Because in DC, they're blatantly not following the Constitution.
SPEAKER_03Right. They don't follow it at all.
SPEAKER_02What's changing it gonna do? I mean, that reminds me of the gun control laws. You have a gunman that acquires a gun illegally, goes on the school property illegally, and shoots people illegally. Believe it or not, it's illegal to shoot people. And then you have a crazy people we need more gun legislation laws. I mean, you're gonna add another law for him to ignore. If they're ignoring the Constitution now, they'll continue to ignore it if you change it.
SPEAKER_03There's a libertarian comedian out there who uh during his show, he talks about our elected representatives put their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. And then the very next thing they turn around right in front of us and wipe their rear-ends with it. That's our current elected officials. They could care less about the Constitution. So we have an existential threat that's gonna destroy our representative or our representative republic. And that's I address it in one of my first shows. It's the road to collectivism, the road to serfdom, the road to socialism. Now that's one of your big themes. Tell us a little bit about how you go about warning the people of the dangers of socialism.
SPEAKER_02Well, um we have uh coordinators that go around and give uh speeches on on the topics um in in various um places, um different patriot groups, different different clubs, and uh educating people on this. And one of there there's a couple of reasons why, and one of the reasons why the legislators are able to swear a no to the constitution and turn around and wipe their proverbial they wipe their butt with it, is to is because the legislators don't know the const or excuse me, the uh electorate does not know the constitution themselves. That's why they're able to get away with it.
SPEAKER_03Right. And secondly, the low IQ voters are a big problem.
SPEAKER_02Yes. They they don't know it themselves, and secondly, they don't they don't know how first of all, most people don't even know who their legislators are, much less how they vote. And so I think there was uh attempt to uh hide voting records uh about a year or two ago, uh what was it, loyalty oath that they tried to do that to stop people from posting the votes on on Facebook because people the electorate was getting uh upset because of the way their uh officials were voting. And they they they tried to hide it. So it it's a it's a basic Christian principle. You know, the the darkness loves shadows, they love to stay hidden. But when the light reveals the darkness, that's when the darkness tries to run away and do things to stay in the dark. And that's a a classic um move there to not fix yourself.
SPEAKER_03We we have a classic example of that right now in the South Carolina legislature. Randy, are you aware of the gag bill? The gag legislation, where uh our elected res representatives want to control a populace, the elect uh regular elect uh people who elect them the same way that they control lobbyists, where they have to be registered or something like that, and then they and it's what it what it does is it shuts down um criticism of the stuff that the legislators are doing. It's called the gag bill. Have you heard of that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, that's uh that's that's that's that's just another way to try to hide themselves and and and not correct themselves, but to hide what they're doing. I mean, I I was um handing out about about a year ago, I was handing out the scorecard at a local GOP where uh the legislator of that local GOP, he he came to it, you know, to try to shake hands with people and whatnot. But what he didn't know is I'd already handed out his voting record, which was pretty bad. I think it was like a 33 or 37, and I'd handed everything out, and I didn't know I didn't know I didn't know who I was handing. I was just didn't discriminately handing things out. I handed one to him, and he got upset with me. And I'm I thought to myself, why is he getting mad and berating me, basically just cursing me out? I said, Mr. Legislator, um I didn't vote this way. Why are you mad at me? You're the one that voted this way. If you're gonna be mad at anybody, you need to be mad at yourself for voting this badly.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so you go to these meetings. How do you prove to the people at these meetings that socialism is an ex existential threat to our republic? What do you have? What kind of data and information do you have to convince them that it is a real threat and not just some conspiracy theory?
SPEAKER_02Well, it's not a theory if you can prove it. And if you can track the movements um of what they've done throughout, you know, um Europe, throughout America, and just show the you know the connection between the two. I mean, it's pretty obvious what's going on. And the John Burt Society, um, we we s we carry the Communist Manifesto because people they're they're communists and they don't know they're communists, really. Um and I say, well, this legislation, that's that's you know, communism. And they go, no, it's not. And then I show them in the Communist Manifesto, oh, this is redistribution of wealth. Read chapter one of the communist manifesto. You take from the bourgeoisie and you give it to the proletariat. That's redistribution of wealth. And they don't believe me until I show them, and then they they start backtracking. Well, it's not redistribution of wealth, it's crony capitalism. Well, I don't care what you call it, it's it is what it is. It's taking money from one person and giving it to some someone else or some other organization. I mean, one of the biggest things um of redistribution of wealth we had uh in the history of South Carolina was the uh Scout Motors Act, where we give, I think, 1.29 billion dollars of Volkswagen.
SPEAKER_03And they were supposed to build a plant. They didn't do that. As a matter of fact, they even moved their headquarters to North Carolina. They didn't even keep it in South Carolina. And what did they do in this session?
SPEAKER_02And then South Carolina stuck with the check. I mean, you know, you you spend everybody else's money and then nothing happens, and then we're stuck with the bill.
SPEAKER_03Not only that, but they're in this particular session, they're gonna give them another$500 million to Scout Motors. So it's fleecing the taxpayers. They they're not they don't even hide it anymore. You know, they're some kind of special interest is saying, push Scout Motors. We need EVs, we need batteries for EVs. Fleece the taxpayer. We're only here to represent the special interests.
SPEAKER_02It's money, it's a big money laundering game, is what it is. Um look at look at Nikki Haley. You know, she um had a big hand in getting uh Bowen here to South Carolina and give them I don't even know, I can't even track how much money they they give 'em. And guess what? Nikki Haley's on the board of Bowen now.
SPEAKER_03There you go.
SPEAKER_02And and we paid for it. Right, you know.
SPEAKER_03But there are other elements of of socialism that that people don't don't realize, and that's like uh the public education system. That's a socialist entity right there. Is you gotta have government schools. Why why wouldn't you have to have government schools?
SPEAKER_02Well, that's the tenth pillar of the the communist manifesto. If you look at the ten uh pillars of communism, that's the tenth one. Free public free public education for all, so they can train up good little communists that uh need the government for everything. And you know, that that's the other thing. Where in the Constitution does it give them the power to establish a school or a department of education? It's not in the 18 enumerated powers, and so they're but they're doing it, and so they're outside of the scope, they're outside of their jurisdiction, if you will, in doing those certain things. And then we're paying for it.
SPEAKER_03Can you quickly comment on the other pillars? Do you have that in front of you? Are you prepared for that? I know you have to um you have to denigrade any kind of religion. Public schools, religion, healthcare, you have to push for uh the government providing health care, which by the way is not in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution either.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. So the ten pillars, uh the first one is abolition of property and land and application of all rents of land in public places. So basically, you you can't own any land. Um I I think Plow Schwab said it best you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Kind of deal. Um number two, a heavy progressive or graduated income tax. I mean, we definitely have that now.
SPEAKER_03No, 1913, Rudolph Wilson.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Um, the abolition of all right of inheritance. So we can't give what we earn to our children. Um, the government gets it.
SPEAKER_03You can, but it will get taxed by 50%.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Um, confiscation of the property of all immigrants and rebels. Um, here's a good one. The centralization of credit in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. Um don't we have a Federal Reserve Act of nineteen thirteen? Yep. Uh the centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. Um, I think every communist dictator of the 20th century took over communication for propaganda and transportation, so you couldn't um I think what was it? Um Hitler took over Volkswagen, so they you couldn't they controlled who went where and what was said.
SPEAKER_03Amtrak was to be an example. Amtrak.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Um extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, bringing in the cultivation of wasteland and improvement of soil, generally in accordance with the common plan. So take over industry and um let's see here. Equitable liability of all labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. So the question is who owns the most agricultural farmland in America?
SPEAKER_00Bill Gates.
SPEAKER_02Bill Gates, that is correct. Um, and and here's the other thing. You do what I tell you to do, or you don't eat. That's the pretty basic control factor. I mean, it's all about totalitarian control. I mean, and there's nothing in here about throwing a ball top cocktail or a bomb or anything like that. And that's what people think the Communist Manifesto is about.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's all about big government control of your life. Rather than decreasing the size and scope of government on the road to socialism, you increase the size and scope of government. And that's exactly what's happening in our state. The size and scope of our government is being increased every session. More and more certifications required, more and more regulations, more and more taxes, spending more and more money on supposed government, private properties, projects. It's it's uh it's going on right here in this state. And that's what we need, the John Birch Society, to get out there and tell the people exactly what's happening so we can put a stop to it. So thank you, Arthur, for being a guest on our show today. It's been a very interesting conversation. And much of what we've been talking about, I've covered in some of the previous episodes of Conversation with the Hoff, where I focus primarily on the road to socialism. Most of our listeners of this show also realize that this is a libertarian-oriented program, and we believe in limited government, individual, and economic freedom. They're pretty much similar to the JBS mission. My greatest fear is that neither the two dominant political parties today actually understand the socialist threat to our society, nor do they actively or openly support the principles outlined in the Constitution. For our country to survive as a constitutional republic, the citizens are going to have to do a better job of vetting candidates, which you've been talking about. The JBS can support that effort by vetting candidates through your Freedom Index, through your outreach programs, by letting the people know exactly what their candidates are doing in the State House. So thanks again, Arthur. It was a great conversation. This episode has been brought to you by Liberty Crack Media. To learn more about the many other podcasts brought to you by this network, go to LibertyCrackmedia.com. And while you're there, click on that donate box button to help us deliver our message to an even greater audience. And now a word from our glorious leader, the executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and thank you, Arthur. And if you want to learn more about the John Birch Society, go to JBS.org. You'll see that in the show notes. And uh hopefully we'll have Arthur on for another uh episode sometime in the future. And again, I want to thank everybody for listening to Conversations with the Haw.
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