EP18: Creative Failure

Look at any artist that you know and love. They’ve failed. Probably pretty big time, too. This week we crash out over failed brand deals, agent rejections, and times when there was just nobody in the audience and we had to cancel the show. But the show must go on, as they say, and we’re here for the creative rebound that comes after any failure, big or small.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome. I'm Vanessa Simone. I'm Mimi Hayes. And we are The Girls Next Pour. We've been on a Bridgerton kick. If you guys seen they do Charlie XEX is 360 in a classical rendition, and everybody's been noodles looking my feet.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

I love the chaos of this episode.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Yes. Um, but yeah, so we were doing our little, you know, yeah. What is on for today's show, Mimi?

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Today's show. I'm super stoked about this one. It's about creative failure.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Yes. Fail.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Uh I think I've been wanting to do this for this one. Well, the idea just came to me very recently, but the second I thought of it, I was like, that's gonna be a really fun episode because there are just so many things I have failed at that have made me a better artist and a better person. It's character development.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Absolutely. Yeah. Um I don't know where you want to take this, so I want you to kick us off with what's been your most recent failure.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Most recent failure. Um that's a good question. Um that's not super recent. I think I'll I'll think of more things.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Okay, or one that you were thinking about that inspired you for this episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Um a failure of mine. So I'm I run a writing business and I started in 2023. And I kind of had some initial success. Like took to took off with um a bunch of new clients and everyone was super excited. Wow, you're a writing coach is so great. Yes, I want to work with you. Um I wanted to create a course for beginners. I had kind of heard that a great way to make income is not just by individually coaching people, but by setting up these courses. And so I was like, oh well, a lot of people that come to me, a lot of my clients are newer to writing and they want to write a book for the very first time. So what if I set up a course that's like book writing for beginners? And I looked up other structures of other courses. I thought, okay, eight weeks, in eight weeks, I can get them to this certain level of comfortability with being an author. And I started making, I set it up on what on my website how to purchase it. I also discounted it, like I did a beta, I did a beta price, and I was like, that's some advice I got was like, make a course, make it half off, right? Like as your first course, be like super open about it. Like, this is my first course, and that I'm running myself. I I've taught in other courses by other programs that have their own marketing and their own successful filling of the courses. Um, but I had never done this for myself, and so I set up this course, I put it on the website. Um, I was doing marketing for it, I was doing social media, I was asking people, nobody signed up. Nobody even remotely tried to sign up. Like, I think maybe I saw one person even looked at my website and nobody bought it. And so I was like, oh, never mind. Okay. And I think what I learned from that was A, I probably wasn't ready for that. And I know I wasn't ready because I didn't have the content because I was like, I'm gonna make it up as I go. Because that's my style. And I was like, I don't even need to plan eight weeks of content, I can just do it week by week. And so I had a half-assed plan, and I really didn't have the the right reach to get strangers. Um, my website isn't great. I'm working on it now, but you know, I've had the same website for 10 years. It's doesn't, it's not really compatible with what I was trying to do. Um, so yeah, nobody, nobody showed up. It was a ghost town, and then I just didn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

So okay. It's so funny because I'm not laughing at cool story, bro. I'm laughing more because it's like you, I feel like you've tried so many good things though, and the beauty of why I love watching your journey as an artist is because you are not there's nothing beneath you to try, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Um, I know that you were disappointed a couple weeks ago because of like your book.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Oh, yeah, that's that's a huge failure.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

So I was like, I was like, meaning you're forgetting something.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

You actually because now when you think about it, you already forgot about it. I did really in a way, in a way.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Um, so yeah, this mo more recently, um, I've been getting rejected. Um, that probably was the impetus for this episode, I bet. Um, I've been trying to query my second book. And so when you write a book and you want to get traditionally published, you need an agent. And they don't just say yes to everybody. Um, and I've been doing this for a year. I finished my book a year ago, and I started the querying process a year ago once I finished. So I've queried 50 plus, maybe up to 60 agents now, which I feel like isn't a lot. I feel like I could really up those numbers. Um, but I got a rejection last week that really screwed me up, and I crashed out about it actually.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Um I'm not smiling because we I'm reminiscing on last week when we had this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

We were on the phone at Book Club for the artist's way, and um, I I don't even know if failure was involved in the reading, but for some reason I brought up I got two rejections in a week, and one of them like sometimes they're just basic, they don't tell you any information, and sometimes they're just like not a fit. Thanks so much. Hope you find your dream agent. Um, because they hardly look at them. Sometimes they just ghost you. There are queries out there I've sent that are just milling around in someone's inbox or they've just been deleted, like they can't deal with the volume. Sorry, I got the hiccups now. What a failure. Um, they can't deal with the amount of um authors in their inbox, and so sometimes they can't give you a personalized rejection. But this one was personalized, and this was also an agent that I follow on social media, and she's a very vulnerable agent in that she kind of lets you behind the curtain, and she's like, here's what agents really want. Here's what I see a million times a day that you should stop doing. Here's what you really need. And I'm like, oh, I should actually pay attention to this because agents don't just willy-nilly tell you what they want. They're they expect you to know, but you have no idea what they're looking for or how to write these emails, right? So I've been following her for a while, and I was taking her advice and I was doing exactly what she told me to do. And I was like, she's gonna see this, and she's gonna be like, You've you've been paying attention, you know, to my content. And I finally get a letter back from her, and of course I know it's gonna be a rejection, you know, you just kind of get used to that when you're doing this process. And she says, I'm passing on this, but I'm gonna tell you exactly why. Because the market for memoir is extremely tough right now. The environment of marketing a memoir and getting it to sell, you need to be extreme, have an extreme platform, which basically means you have to be a celebrity, or you have to have a certain level of credibility and research to go along with a memoir. That's called a memoir plus, right? A personal story plus research, and you're like a historian or a professor or something, right? So that doesn't apply to me, and I'm not a celebrity. And so I I I knew that these things were true about memoir, and I've I've known that for a long time. But to hear that, like my book is not marketable, I can't do anything about that. I I'm not gonna rewrite my book to make it marketable, and I also can't just become famous tomorrow. Like, so what am I gonna do with this goddamn book? And so I crashed out about that pretty hard, and I was like, I want this so bad, like I've been wanting this, and this is my second book, and I want it to be better than the first, and that's another thing too. My first book was not successful, you know. Um, not that you know that on the surface, but no, it didn't sell. It's not a bestseller, nobody knows who the hell I am. Um, and I canceled my I canceled my contract with my publishers because I didn't like them anymore. And I was just like, it's not working out, and I don't want you to have any business in my future writing endeavors. So I pulled a Taylor Swift, I got my rights back, and I've been selling them myself. And that does feel like a failure sometimes because you know I had such high hopes for it. The second you get a traditional publishing deal, the first thing almost every author wants is to be on the New York Times bestseller list. And just the reality of that is like you're not gonna be a best. No, you're not. Like you would have to be a fluke for that to happen to you. And certain circumstances have to line up for you, right? For that to even be possible, for them to even consider your book for the New York Times bestseller list. You have to like fit all these categories. They're not gonna tell you what those things are, but you know, that's not me. And um, yeah, failure to me. I like definitely crash out about it at first because it feels very personal and it feels very like, why can't I just figure it out? Why do I have to be writing memoir? Why couldn't I just be like every other author and write fairy smut? You know, why didn't I just write very smut? Why wasn't I smart enough to know that you don't write memoir? My dad asked me because I was crashing out about this at the dog park, and he's like, What would you what advice would you give your clients? And I was like, Don't write a memoir because you can't sell it. Now, if you want to um self-publish, by all means, write whatever the hell you want, because you're the one publishing it. But if you want to be traditionally published, I would not recommend a memoir unless there is a plus element, unless you have the research or you have something different. Like for me, I do have a different structure to my memoir. I do feel like I have put myself in a better position to sell it because it's not, you don't read it from back to front, you read it out of order. It's a choose your own adventure memoir. Um, but it's not working right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

As of right now.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

And yeah, I'm kind of thinking pivoting is good. Like, not that I'm gonna stop sending out queries, that's not what's gonna happen. I'm gonna continue that. But um, I'm gonna also pay more attention to other projects I have going on right now and use that failure as rocket fuel to inspire me because what artist do we know and love that has not failed a bunch of times? I mean, all of them, and you think about the careers they had, the jobs they had before. Um, even famous authors get, you know, all you need is one yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

It's all you need, but um no, it doesn't feel good. And you know, I look at my career as a comedian. There's a lot of failure I feel with that. Um, I've been on stages with people that have been on Conan and um, you know, Jimmy Fallon and all the late night shows and uh people getting auditions for SNL and like writing for SNL. I know someone who writes for SNL, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

I know someone who acts on SNL every so long, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah, and it's like hard to see that sometimes because you're like, well, that's not how my career's going. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

I think I'm in the process of actually developing more failures personally, because I'm kind of new to the like redabbling into acting and to singing and to all the things that I wanted to do as a child. So I'm kind of newer in this realm of that side of the arts. However, one of my failures is like being a content creator or influencer, as you say. I've been doing this for years, like since 2014, I think, even maybe earlier, and I'm still like not even at 10,000 followers. Like, it's been a long journey of also trying to figure out my presence and what I am online, and uh I kind of look at that as my big failure because it's like I've spent so much time putting in out content, putting out things. Um I learned photography, and then I remember there was one time I got hired to do like a photo shoot for these bags, and my camera failed and like the photos came out terribly. I mean, luckily this company had grace for me, but I was like, oh my god, so embarrassed by it. Um and then I never got hired through that photography brand again, but um yeah, and I've done shoots where I'm like, oh shit, stuff didn't work or whatever. Um, but I think yeah, I'm in this new era of figuring out what exactly kind of artists am I, because I'm still in the process of writing my like fantasy book. I've no idea where the heck that's gonna go, and to be honest, I don't I haven't really thought about that. Um I am still in the process of getting auditions and I'm on backstage. Have I gotten anything? No, but I think this is the I did see somebody who says I've I aim to try to fail every day because failure is like that practice, and as cliche as it sounds, I know that I want to do so many things in my life, like with I do want to turn my the book into a TV series, but first I gotta actually get write the book. I don't know how any of this stuff works on the artist realm, but I'm willing to try, and I think I'm like I said, I'm in that trying to learn how to fail every day to learn. Um, but it is true. You miss what is the saying? It's like failure.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

You don't take, yeah, exactly. And so like I feel like I've been a I'm almost been a failure because I haven't tried a lot. And so I feel like because I'm entering this new era of learning to fail, because I tend to give up easily because I am very much if I'm not the best at it, I don't want to do it, which is such a terrible attitude to have because that's not how anybody got where they are. And I feel like the last time I actually took a risk and put myself out there and did a nice creative challenge for myself was this past December when um in the creator world there's this thing called Vlogmas where you basically take videos throughout your day every day in December, and then you edit them and you post them. That was a really hard challenge for me because I'm filming all the day, and then at the night I was editing, barely getting sleep, but I did the full 25 days. But I think I need more practice in failure, and so for me, what that looks like is because I do want to be an actress, like one of my dreams is to act in a movie as Nubia, the who she's apparently Wonder Woman's like long-lost sister from the Amazon, and she's this black woman who's super fierce, super strong, muscular, fights all the people, fight or fights all the evil forces, and that's one of my dream roles to play. And then I also just want to be in Bridgerton, which would be so freaking cool. Like, I don't need to be the main, I don't need to be main or anything. I just want to be on set. I could be an extra, I don't care. I just want to be like do that little dance. Yeah, I just want to, you know, do that. And I just want to care, right? You know, cool, intricate, yeah. Um, but but I think ultimately I just want to be able to look back on my life and say, I did try. Um, and I feel like the last time I tried something huge for myself was when I moved to New York City. I feel like that's the last time I did something for me and not for my parents or for what society tells me I should be. And I feel like I'm starting to re-get into like the creative realm that I used to grow up with because I used to act, I used to sing, I used to dance, I used to do all those things, and I loved it, and then somewhere along the way it got dismantled, so I'm back as a 35-year-old with big dreams, thinking like I can do this, and I also want to do more films on my own. Um, I love seeing so I took this aptitude test maybe 10 years ago, and one of the things it said that I am good at is color, and so because and I think that's why I love photography, is because I love seeing the colors, the contrast of colors, and so now I want to take it to a new level of doing more film on my own and filming things and figuring that out. Like, what does it look like to film a you know, little project or something like that, and then the color grading and learning just a new skill. Um, and so I I am in the process of learning my new failures, but I think my biggest failure is truly not listening to my inner self and going after my inner self, but I have learned that now, and now I'm realizing that and taking that action.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

So, because I don't want from 35 on, I want to look at my life and say, I did try every single thing I wanted to try, and I think that is gonna make myself proud more than anything I've ever done because most of my life has been more for pleasing other people, and so yeah, and and even like you rack up the failures, and like I just did, I totally forgot that that happened. Like And she was in tears last week about it. Like distraught, I was distraught and to see a week later, wait what? Oh, there was this one time a course didn't sell, you know, but like that's not even the biggest failure I've ever had. And I've had so many failures now that I'm like getting like into the mindset of that, like there have been so many shows that people have not showed up for. I've canceled shows at festivals because I went from having a packed audience to the next day I had to cancel my show because literally nobody showed up. And that's what Fringe is, you know, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival is you're competing with so many other people's stage time. Um, and when you're a nobody like me, you know, you don't have a built-in audience, and so like that's a failure. Um, I filmed my first show for my documentary, and eight people showed up. Now, I love every single one of those eight people, but I was so messed up about that because I wanted 50, 60 people in that crowd, a hundred people in that I wanted, you know, because also I know the energy, I get so much more energy from a big crowd, but sometimes not. I would say, like, because I just went, you know what? Let's give your whole show. It's the same show for eight people that it is for 800. You know, it's just it's more intimate. And so I I pivot when I feel like I'm like, okay, that just didn't happen for you. You didn't get the crowd you wanted. What are you gonna do about it? You have to put on the show anyway. Um, and so there's been so many other failures I've had, people, people not showing up for me. Um, I've been to auditions, I haven't gotten the part. Um, I've been cut next to last. It took me three times to get a TED talk. I was I was um X'd three times, and one time they told me you were like the last person cut. And I'm like, don't ever say that to me again. Like because I was this close, right? Like you're this close. Um, I got contacted to do a second TED talk, and and they approached me and then they later rejected me. And I was like, You contacted me, I thought you wanted me for the TED talk, and now you don't want me, you know, and and oftentimes, almost every time, it has nothing to do with you. You know, like and maybe it's a skill that you're lacking, maybe it is something that you could work on, but sometimes your failure it just is it just is the way it is, and all the artists we know and love have failed.

unknown 21:59

Um

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Their movies have been total flops and box office embarrassments. Um, and you know, films that don't get accepted into film festivals that end up going on to win Academy Awards when nobody wanted to touch it with a 10-foot pole. I mean, um, that's just part of being an artist is getting rejected and and failing. Um, and the fact that you're trying to do it intentionally is really encouraging to me. Um, I do this in my personal life also by asking men out in the wild. Yeah, she goes. And this is my form of torture, is that I just because I'm also just you know sick of the dating apps, but I also it builds my confidence to go get rejected by somebody. I'll find a hot guy, I'll go up to him and say, Hey, are you single? You know, I'll keep it pretty simple. Hey, I saw you from across the room. Are you single? You're not single, are you? I'll say it that way too. You're not, you're not, you couldn't possibly be single. And they'll be like, No, I'm not single. And I'm like, okay, well, you're hot, like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Um rejection therapy. It's a good practice.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

I am always appreci that almost every single time they appreciate it, and they're like, hey, thank you. Like it builds my confidence. They start talking to me, and they're like, Hey, that's so nice of you. What's your name? You know, and it just you then you move on with your life.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yeah, and it's it's actually a beautiful thing to practice rejection therapy because I actually have this list now that we're talking about failures of a thousand between brands, jobs, whatever that I want to just do and try, and I'm just putting it out there, not expecting all a thousand, but when you realize how much rejection it takes to get somewhere, because I'm as I'm filling out this Excel spreadsheet, I'm only at like 170 something between brands, opportunities, things that I have listed out and done. It's not even I'm not even at 200 yet. And I'm thinking to myself, I have to fill this out to a thousand. You know, wow, it's a it's a lot to a thousand different opportunities or things to try to get do and be rejected by. It's a lot, but it's building that um building that confidence as well. Cause I'm like, okay, well, if I don't get this onto the next. Like actually a few weeks ago, Laura and I went to Vail and we were trying to do, we were trying to get a hotel. And it was so funny because we were reaching out to all these different hotels. Not one was like, who, who the heck are you? You know, and then we come to find out, we see like celebrities are there. Oh, okay, I see why we're not, you know, we're not there yet, you know. But just the practice of okay, just reaching out and trying is also just a huge step, too, because even with trying, you don't know with everything that you try, you're also learning, and you are taking whatever you learned to go into the next thing. So, like with every audition, like I'm still getting used to doing uh uh self-tape, and it's so different to acting out something on a screen versus when I just take up my camera and on TikTok just start talking, it's very different to have to memorize something rather than just winging it, and even our podcasts learning to wing it and just go with it, and looking back on our first few episodes and realizing, oh man, I use a lot of filler words and correcting that. So, with every single thing I'm doing, I'm just trying to learn and grow. But I think the number one thing right now for me is just try the things that you've always wanted to try, but you haven't because you've been told that's not worth your time, or that doesn't make you money, or that's not a good career to have, or whatever those things are. I'm just like, fuck it. I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

And there's always there's so much value in in failing and then trying again. And so, like, I'm up for this really cool opportunity right now with this entertainment lab, and I've applied twice before, so they know my ass. And they're like, hi. And I'm like, hello, I finally got to the interview round, you know, after trying twice before. And you know, I I don't know what they're looking for, I don't know what their criteria is. I clearly wasn't a good fit the past two times I tried, but this time I was like, hey, I'm back, you know, and they they they liked that. They were like, hey, you've applied a few times, you know, like what do you really want from this? And I was like, this is a cool opportunity, like I think I'm really well suited for this, and this is my time, and you know, I want to get this and this and this out of it, and um, you know, if I don't get it, I will try again. The next opportunity, that window is open. I will, my ass will be in your inbox. And they like that, that's what they want to see. And it when you get used to, okay, all right, it's great, one more. I gotta tell this story too. When I first started writing and querying agents, um my friend Krista and I were doing this at the same time, and she'd been doing it for a decade. So she had like hundreds of rejections at this point for her novel and her memoir. And I had just started and she said, let's play this game where every time one of us gets rejected, the other person owes us a dollar in a virtual piggy bank. And so when you get that email that says, sorry, I don't want this because it's not marketable, you email me and say one dollar, you know, or forward even the rejection. I'll forward the rejection to her and I'll be like, one dollar. Or this one's worth two dollars because she personalized it, you know, she personalized the rejection. So that's worth two dollars. And then we we owe each other this money, and then when one of us gets published, the other person takes them out to dinner. And so when I got published, that money that you saved up for them, right? So I've got 30 rejections, that's a $30 dinner, you know, and it doesn't have to be perfect, but like the the sentiment is like I'm rooting for you, and every time you get rejected, it gets you closer to your goal. And so I'm keeping track of that. And so my best friend bought me a lovely fondue dinner when I signed my first book deal. And you know, I was like, oh my god, this is amazing, you know, and nothing can take away from that, right? Even though down the line I wasn't happy with how things were dealt with, and I would have liked a bigger publisher, and I would have liked an agent, and I would have liked someone to do PR, you know, like instead of me doing everything myself. Um, you know, that's still gonna happen. There's still potential for that. I just have to keep going. You know, I can't quit now while I'm so close. Um, because I've come so far from the city.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

And now you know too, because now you know like the roles of an agent, PR person, all those things that help uh aid with the success of a book as well. So and I have some experience, you know, like so you know what it's not for nothing, and you know what not to accept, and you know what to look out for when you see a new agent or publicist or anything because you've had that experience too.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah, so I'm just gonna keep getting rejected. I know when my film is done, I'm gonna submit to Sundance and I'm gonna submit to all the big film festivals. I'm gonna get rejected from every single one of them.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Um, and that's just a fact. Like, you know, I think the film festivals have changed in the past couple years and they they're more gate-kept now, so you don't even get looked at if you're an indie filmmaker in some of these places, but it's not gonna stop me. It's not gonna stop me from doing it. Um and yeah, I want to talk about too when other people project their failures onto you. Is that something we could talk about for two seconds? What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Well, I think with anything, people are always going, they do it out of fear, and it sometimes it could be the people who are closest to you who because I remember when I wanted to live in New York City, my dad was like, You're gonna last six months and you're gonna hate it and come home. And I was like, What? And I don't know what that was because I'm like, Dad, you literally moved from the tiniest country in the Caribbean to the United States. I'm just moving to a different state. So it's like, where did that fear come from from him to do that? I mean, anytime I've traveled, people are like, that country is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go there and I have the best time and I don't want to leave. Um, I think it's the same thing that happens with being an artist. People, I remember, you know, wanting to be an actor, wanting to be a singer, all those just an all-around entertainer when I grow up. And my parents were like, that's not a career that you can have, you can do that as a hobby. And but that was their fears because they were on survival mode. But yeah. And so it's being d almost having this discernment, and your dream or your goal is inside of you, and it's not inside of anybody else. And so people are going to project, but I think it's up to you to be so laser-focused on the dream, on the goal, on the vision, and especially because it's coming from your soul, it's what keeps my soul alive, is doing these things, and I'm just good at it. Like, I'm better at those things that I love doing. I can't fake it. I tried to fake that I'm not, but that I'm good at these things that I'm supposed to be good at, and it doesn't work. It just doesn't work because I don't like it. I don't care. I don't have the passion for it. I don't I just don't care. So, yeah, where were where are you gonna go with that?

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Well, I my last breakup, I heard the meanest shit I've ever heard from another human during the breakup, and it had to do with my art. And so during the breakup, you know, things are happening very fast, these words are being exchanged, and I'm just on my bathroom floor crying, just snot coming out of every orifice. And he's like, You're never what are you even doing? You can't even focus. Your book's never gonna be a bestseller, your film is never gonna get made. You think you're gonna go to Sundance? Who the fuck are you kidding? And you're he called me a fart in the wind. Can you believe this? A fart in the wind, him of all people, and this is coming from another artist, and I think it took me a long time to see that what he was doing was projecting his failure because he was so jealous of some of the things that I was doing. He wanted to write a book, he wanted to do a one-man show, he wanted these things that I had done, but instead of going out and doing them or supporting me in a realistic, you know, in a truthful way, at the end, he just threw a grenade at me, you know, and I just took it and I was like, oh my god, what do you mean? Like and it hurt, and I'm still healing from that. I still hear that voice. You're never gonna be a bestseller, you're never gonna, you're never, you know, the you're never, and it's like, well, that is a load of shit. And so it it can be hard, especially if you're like newer to things or you're trying to like you have to be bad at something to get good at it.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

So, like, you know, for someone to say that to me, it's like I'm still so fragile, I'm still working my way into these systems or these industries. And who are you to say anything? You're not the gatekeeper, you're not checking out the film festival submissions at Sundance. What the fuck do you know? And you're just saying that because you're intimidated or you're upset, or you want something that I have, and tearing me down feels like a better option to make yourself feel better. So you can't take the rejection or whatever words come at you from whoever family, and sometimes they feel like they're being well-meaning, but you know, they can really wreck your confidence. And I got that too with New York. You're gonna last six months, you're never gonna make it. Look at us now.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Yeah, the only reason we left was because a global pandemic.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Yeah, that's the only thing that could stop us. We'd still be there.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

It took a global pandemic to get us out of the phone. Like the world shutting down. Yeah. So, yeah, so yeah. To conclude, you need to follow your dreams. Your soul is going to thank you for just trying and going after it. The failure is just a part of it, but as artists, that's our duty, it's our calling. We're supposed to do that.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

So, I love it. Let's go fail some more.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Yes, and cheers to the girls next pour.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

Oh, I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

You want to say it again? Wait, ready? This is the girls next pour.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Nailed it.