Hidden in Plain Sight: Understanding Modern-Day Sex Trafficking

Sex trafficking in Greenville doesn’t always look the way we expect (and definitely not how the movies depict).

We sat down with Krystal Nierman, Switch Prevention Lead, to unpack the reality of modern-day human trafficking: what it actually looks like, why many victims don’t even realize they’re being trafficked, and how this crisis is happening in our own community.

We start by defining trafficking and breaking the common misconception that it always involves physical chains or captivity. In truth, it’s often psychological and manipulative, making it difficult for victims to identify. Krystal shares how traffickers target vulnerable populations, especially youth in the foster care system, and how some individuals are even placed there to recruit other children.

We also explore the lasting impact of trauma, including how victims can become emotionally “stuck” at the age their trauma occurred and what it takes to begin healing. We discuss the importance of meeting both physical and spiritual needs to help survivors experience true, sustainable freedom, so they don’t return to harmful situations.

You’ll also hear about the documentary The Slave in Your Backyard, which reveals how trafficking is often hidden in plain sight.

If you think this doesn’t happen where you live, this episode will change your perspective and equip you to see and respond differently!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Ashes and Beauty, a podcast by Switch. Our mission is to end local sex trafficking and exploitation by shining a light in the darkest places, bringing hope, healing, and restoration to survivors. We'll share real life stories, thought-provoking conversations, and insights that help raise awareness and inspire action. Because from the ashes of exploitation, beauty can rise.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

I'm glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Eric, your husband, is um, you are like the power couple. So Crystal is our uh prevention team lead, and Eric, her husband, is our demand team lead. Uh, they're the Switch power couple, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

A title I didn't know I had.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Um, yeah, so if you're just joining us, you don't know about Switch. Switch is a um nonprofit in Greenville, South Carolina with the mission to end local sex trafficking and sexual exploitation. Um, I guess a good place to start, if you want to, you can look up our website, um, switchsc.org. But I think today let's maybe start with do you want to define trafficking? Because a lot of people don't have any idea what it is. Um let's start there.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Yeah, absolutely. So trafficking is the use of force, fraud, or coercion to cause somebody to do a commercial sex act. And a commercial sex act could be something like prostitution, pornography, or even having online accounts where you're sharing videos or images of yourselves. And then um it could be an exchange for any item of value, which could be tangible things like um money or drugs or food, but it could also be the intangible, what we all strive for in life, right? To be loved, to be seen, to be heard, to be wanted. Um, and so all of those things can lead somebody, um, I shouldn't say lead, all of those things can entrap somebody in the life of trafficking. And then I just wanted to find too that if somebody is under the age of 18, force, fraud, or coercion does not need to be present for it to be sex trafficking. So if there is a person who is maybe 16 or 17 who's experiencing um homelessness and they decide to exchange sexual services in order to get shelter or food, it's automatically considered a sex trafficking situation because they are a minor and they can't consent to that commercial sex.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Yeah. And I think um the tricky part for most Americans is we've all seen taken, right? And so our idea of sex trafficking involves getting thrown in a van by foreigner people and then chained to a radiator somewhere in East Europe. You know, that's the the view of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

And it it's it's your trafficking looks differently or looks different around the world for sure. Um, but US domestic trafficking, less than 7% of victims actually experience that. So when we lead with that as the forerunner of what trafficking looks like, that means 93% of victims aren't even identifying as victims because they're like, that's not me. I'm not physically chained, or I wasn't kidnapped, or I wasn't held hostage in my in somebody's basement. Um, and so they just don't know that there's help and resources for them to get out of this life because they don't identify it as trafficking.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

I th that was one of the most shocking things when I started at Switch was hearing these stories of how people did not know they were being trafficked. And, you know, even one of our board members said she didn't know until she was pretty much out. And she was like, uh asked her husband, like, Did you know I was being trafficked? And he was like, Yeah, that was what was happening.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's it's the hardest fight that we have in this fight. That's like the hardest aspect is um helping victims realize what they're going through is trafficking. Because there's so many, you know, mis um identifications of it. Like, you know, it's confused with smuggling.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

You know, well, you didn't leave town, so you weren't trafficked. No, no, you absolutely were, because it's it's the use of force, fraud, or coercion to cause a commercial sex act. That's exactly what you did right here in this town. But smuggling is the the illegal crossing of borders, of taking somebody illegally across borders. Um, and that's not to say traffickers don't move locations because they absolutely can. Um, they want to keep their market fresh. Um, and so that is something that they do, but that is not part of being defined as trafficking. That's just how they get more money.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Yeah. And the reality, like trafficking's kind of a uh confusing word for a lot of people. For me, the best way to think about it is slavery, right? Like you've um you are straight up sex slavery uh or labor slavery. Um, we just give it a new word because we want to say slavery was abolished. And right, in fact, there's more slaves in the world today than there ever was.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

And you know, the chains that they have, they they they do absolutely have chains, but they're invisible. You know, they're emotional chains, they're um trauma chains, they're um all of all of these coercies and manipulations and blackmails that entrap somebody into this life and they feel indebted or that they can never leave their abuser who is their trafficker, but that's not how they identify them at the time. They identify them as their boyfriend, yeah, or their father figure, or the person who is just helped them get out of a rough spot, and now this is they're selling sex on the side just to help this person out.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

You know, first time I heard the word trauma bond was coming to switch of like how wait, what now? Yeah, and um, you know, this the whole Stockholm syndrome thing, but these um victims have been bonded to their abusers. And I you I think we've all heard a stat statistic where um it takes the average uh abused wife seven to nine tries to leave a marriage, um, like an abusive marriage.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Um and it's kind of the same with a victim, right? It you know, just trying to get out once typically isn't gonna cut it because you are bonded in some of those ways.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Especially when you feel like the abuser quote unquote loves you.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

And it's it's that, you know, we all can be blinded by love, but this is a different type of love. This isn't a real love, but the the the trauma bond is that the abuser is going to hurt them and then blame them as the reason for this hurt. Well, you made me do this, and so you stop seeing the abuser as the abuser and you start blaming yourself as I'm not good enough. I did that, I shouldn't have done that, I knew that was bad. And it's that confusion that puts too much responsibility on the victims. I mean, for gosh, for for so long, and many still are victims are being arrested as prostitutes, right? They still assume that responsibility of being a victim. But no, you're a victim, you can't assume any responsibility in this. This happened to you, yeah, right. And so um as as a as a society, we're still wrestling with uh victim blaming and trying to help turn those tides to see, no, you were a victim of circumstance, you were taken advantage of. This was not a life that you chose. And even if you quote unquote chose this, because let's say you were a child or a young adult who had a really rough home or just wanted a better life for yourself and you met this guy and he said, I was gonna give you all these things, you know. I accept you for who you are. I think you're a mature person. I think that, you know, your parents are controlling and don't don't give you enough credit. And so, you know, if you come live with me, I can change all that for you. And so, what young person isn't gonna be like, wow, you get me, you know, you'd be a safe spot for me and move in with them. And after, you know, uh, you know, four, six weeks or a couple months, the trafficker or the the quote unquote boyfriend at the time would say, Hey, you know what? I've been buying all these nice things for you. I've bought you clothes, I've bought you food, I'm paying for your room and board, all the utilities. And uh this month I'm tight on cash and I need you to do something for me. And so, you know, my friend said if you'd sleep with them, then uh he'll cover rent this month. And so, you know, as as people, we all have, you know, something that's called the art of reciprocity. If somebody gives you a gift, what do you want to do? You want to give them something back, right? You're like, oh, thanks. You helped me, let me help you. And so this young person is faced with this quote unquote choice of, gosh, he really has been taking care of me. And I really don't want to do this, but this is the only way I can repay him right now. This is what we need, right? We need to pay the rent. And so they agree to do it this one time. Well, all it takes is one time, and then they can get him to do it again and again and again. And so when we say it, you know, they chose this life, this is what the victim thinks. I chose this life, I chose to leave home, I chose to move in with this person, I chose to sleep with his friend this one time, I chose this life. Yeah, you didn't at all. And that's that's what we're facing in this battle is helping um those that are in this life have that veil removed from their eyes so they can see that this fake love, that's not what love is. We learn to love from our father in heaven, that agape love that is so hard for humans to truly give, right? That unconditional love, no matter what you do to me, my love will never change for you. Most of us never experience that or even a glimpse of that. And so it makes it very easy for traffickers to show this false love and have people believe it.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Yeah, for sure. And especially they target vulnerable youth that do have rocky rela family relations or strained family relations. Not that it always has to be that, but um, we just had a meeting with uh a a group that does a foster care ministry. And they were telling us now traffickers are actually uh putting kids into the foster system to recruit other kids out of the foster system. Um so you can imagine if you're in the foster system, you've got a rocky family relationship to start.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

You want loved more than anything.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

You want love, you're young, you just want to be appreciated and valued and loved. Um, and so they're just exploiting that that vulnerability left and right. And your mind um isn't fully developed at that point. So you're gonna if when someone says I love you, you're gonna believe them, not take it as manipulation.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Right. And and and leave and add to that, that prefrontal cortex, that part of your mind that takes the longest to develop is the one that helps you think rationally and reasonably and and think about risks and and safety. When you know, when we think of teenagers doing stupid things, that's why it's that lack of prefrontal cortex. But then when you add to it, somebody who's had trauma, like a child in the foster care system, that prefrontal cortex stops developing because that child's now living in fight or flight. Yeah. Every day, all their brain thinks about is we got to get to tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

We got to get to tomorrow. We got to just keep living and get to tomorrow. And so their brain stops developing those, though, that part of the brain that's gonna help them think logically and reasonably because right now they're in survival mode. Yeah. And so again, it just makes them that much more um of a target for traffickers because it makes their job easier. Um, and so, and then like you said too, they're they're having other children recruit children. So now there's children that are gonna live with this weight of being involved with recruitment, of being part of someone else's abuse, that they may not see it right now as a child. But one day they're gonna look back and that's gonna weigh on them. And so then you have to decide, you know, is that person guilty or is that person a victim of their circumstance as well? And that there's help for them, but they may not seek it because they're gonna feel like they did something wrong and are in trouble. Yeah. Right. And so then we have this broken cycle that may they may keep perpetuating it because they just feel like, well, I guess I've already started down this path, I gotta keep going.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah. And they truly believe there's no way.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

It's interesting um that you talked about the parental cortex. The our clinical team deals with that quite a bit where someone's gotten stuck in the age of their trauma and they can't they've never grown out of that stage. And so um they'll act, especially if they're triggered, um, they'll revert to acting like a child.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Absolutely. And I think, you know, God is amazing, the human body is amazing, and the brain is neuroplastic. So there is hope. So if anybody's listening to this that has experienced trauma um of any kind, whether it's trafficking or just, you know, trauma from abuse you had at home, your brain is neuroplastic and with the proper therapy, it can heal. And I I specify the proper therapy because um, you know, I myself have struggled with um some things that have happened to me in my past. And um I've seen many therapists for like six years. Um, and I I was still struggling. And then I finally saw a therapist that does EMDR. And I only went for a few months.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

And for clarification, what is EMDR?

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Oh, I don't know like the scientific definition, but basically they use app rapid eye movement to help your brain process your trauma.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

And so it is um there's only, I think there's like two or three specific types of of therapy that are designed to target trauma. And so what would happen when I was in session was she would hold this pencil and she would just take it back and forth left to right and just have my head hold still, but my eyes track it. And then she would just say, you know, tell me whatever your brain's thinking about. And it was so random. You know, I would be talking about, oh, at the lunchroom, I remember like opening up my milk by sticking a straw in it. And then all of a sudden, you know, I'd I'd go to something that happened traumatic in my past and I'd be talking about that. And then I'd go back to, you know, and I was swinging on the swing set and like it was just so random, all these thoughts that are coming in. And um, you know, I used to not be able to talk about my trauma without like getting really emotional and crying and feeling those emotions that I felt as a child. But the EMDR helped me view it as an adult to process my trauma and to basically file it away, like organize it and file it away so it doesn't sneak up and attack me when I'm not expecting it. And I can look at it from an adult lens and say, I can grieve for that child, but I'm I'm okay now.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

And and like acknowledge that mentally. And so um, that's what EMDR does. And so for those that have had trauma, there are specific types of things, and I like I said, I only did it a few months and it helped me overcome so much. I I've not had to go to therapy in over five years. Wow. Um, and not that I'm perfect, but um pretty close though. Um, but it is just it's so helpful when you have the right type of therapy to heal the brain because the brain is neuroplastic and it's gonna keep going down broken cycles if you don't take that proper care. But when you do, you can rewire those neural pathways and strengthen your brain, which then obviously strengthens you in your everyday life because you're not gonna have those sneak attacks. Um, and so yeah, the brain is neuroplastic, you can overcome that trauma. Um, but it is so important to know too, just dealing with people in life that you see that do immature things or things that you're like, why would you do that? Or, you know, that's silly, or um, some might even say that's stupid. But when you understand trauma and how it doesn't just uh affect somebody, but traps them there. Like you said, that prefrontal cortex keep them keeps them in that um that mentality of the age they were that that happened to them. So their processing center is at that developmental stage. Um that doesn't mean that they are not considered an adult and can't make adult choices, but their rationale isn't fully developed as another adult.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

And I love that about what Switch does is because you know, we start with kind of the physical needs because those are quite often the the most urgent and critical, like in that moment in that crisis mode. But you have to move past that, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:18

Once they're stable, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Yeah, and so you're never gonna get the the healing, go on that healing journey um that they need to go on without moving past that physical the physical need. So you gotta get to the mental, you gotta get to the spiritual, um, so that all those things can can be healed. And I hear I heard a good term lately or recently, um sustainable freedom. You know, and that's a a good word. I think a good goal for Switch is not just to help get someone out of the life, even though yes, that's part of the journey, but the the true goal is sustainable freedom, where you're not going back and reverting back to old patterns, but you're truly free.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

That recidivism rate in trafficking is very high because of that trauma. Yeah. And so if you've ever heard a survivor's testimony, you know, oftentimes they've gotten out of the life.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Many times, and then find themselves back in the life. And a lot of it goes back to that that prefrontal cortex not being fully developed. I mean, I tell people, adulting is hard. I will say for switch, um pre-COVID numbers for recidivism nationwide was like in the 70s, 70% something. And for Switch, it was like 23% for recidivism rates. And I think it's because we do walk alongside them in this journey and not only meet their basic needs, but make sure we fulfill any spiritual needs and emotional needs and mental feeling needs that they might need so that as a whole, we can make sure they're the strongest they can be to move forward with their life.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

So I love that about switches. We don't hide from that. We're like, you know, we're spiritual beings, we have a creator, and the only way to really get to the bottom of this is through some sort of relationship with them.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Nothing's beyond him. We're we're we're humans, we're fallible, but nothing is beyond him.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Yeah. Amen. I love that. And to kind of hit on the st the systemic part of this, um, you know, I I'll I'll highlight it by telling you a story um at Switch without naming any names, but we've had a situation where a girl was being trafficked. Um she wanted out, but the trafficker wouldn't let her out. She disobeyed him for whatever it was, um, trying not to give too too much information. So to punish her, he put drugs in her car, called the cops on her, got her arrested, sent her to you know, the detention center. Um and really she hadn't really done anything wrong, but of course the cops are gonna be like, we got a tip, there's drugs in your car, you're going to jail. So the detention center, because they get paid by the day, they don't release the women until past midnight. So it could be three o'clock when they're letting them back. Three o'clock a.m. Yeah. When they're letting them out. And then who or who do you think they're gonna call, right? To get them back, they're gonna call their tractor to come pick them up. Because they don't have anybody else. And so, um, and the traffickers know that. Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

Strengthening, strengthening that need for the trafficker.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah. So the um, so he just basically punished her and was like, now, now she knows if she ever does act out again, um he's gonna punish her again. And um and it's just like, man, they I think the other thing that's so surprising to me is like they know the system, they know the rules, and they just operate outside of it in a lot of ways, but use it to their benefit.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

That manipulation of of of everything to ultimately maintain control.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Control, yeah, for sure. Um this would probably be a good time too to talk about the slave in your backyard.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

So stoked. Um, Fisher Films um did a documentary about uh called The Slave in Your Backyard about the local realities of human trafficking, specifically in South Carolina. Switch had the great honor and privilege to be a part of that documentary, and we just did the premiere recently. Um what did you think about it?

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Um, I thought it was well like extremely well done. Um, uh, you know, I've been doing this for over seven years now, and uh, there's not many times that I get emotional when I hear stories because I've just I've learned some coping mechanisms, I've I've heard a lot. And so um it was so well done that I did tear up a few times. And um I love that they brought in all aspects of the life. It wasn't just from the the victim's perspective, but also a former trafficker's perspective um and what led him down this life, you know what I think a lot of times when people think of trafficking, they wrestle with the idea that a human could could do something like this to another human. And when you realize that we live in a broken world and that um there are cycles that can can almost pave the way for this, that just um, you know, the I don't want to give too much of the documentary away because I think everybody should go see it. But um, you know, if you really want to know why a trafficker could find themselves in this situation, and I'm not saying it's for all traffickers and I'm not justifying traffickers by any means, but um, it was definitely eye opening just to hear the journey that led somebody down this path to find themselves as a perpetrator. And um I don't want to spoil it, but I will say he, you know, he had his come to Jesus moment, and that's what turned everything around for him. And now he started seeing people as children of God and human beings and not just commodities that he can use. But um, it was such a a moving um story.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Yeah. I think the thing that blew my mind is that in a lot of ways he was a victim as well. From an early age, he was abused, he, you know, went into the system. And I thought the most profound thing is that um one, he said that you know, prison is university for guys like him. I thought that was profound. But then he was like, they made me a monster and then let me loose into the world, knowing full well he had become a predator.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

And you're like, wow.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

It blew my mind.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

That is that was so eye-opening. Perpetrators going to prison isn't a bad thing. They get connections, they network, they get education and crime. Um, you know, it made me think of um They join communities, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Uh uh aka gangs.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Right, right, clubs, social clubs.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Social clubs.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Um, it made me think of um one of the the mugshots we have in our awareness presentation is is a male and female that were arrested for sex trafficking their children. And I met the officer in charge of that investigation, and um, she was telling some details that I didn't know that wasn't, you know, in the newspaper and in the media. And she said that um, you know, even while they were in prison, uh, they were sending letters to each other, like they didn't think they were gonna be read. Um, that basically the wife was saying, I'm still fertile. We can start again when I get out. Like, just no remorse. And that just shook me. Like, this is your crime. You're you're paying, you're you're paying penance for what you did wrong. And they don't even see it that way because prison's a university, you know, like they're just learning. They're just like learning from their mistakes, learning what they're not gonna do again to get caught, and they're just gonna keep perpetuating this. So, like, how do we how do we stop it? How do we discipline people when they have that education system inside of our penal system? Right. And it really does because it has to involve a supernatural movement. Like we as humans, you know, it may be beyond our control, but it's not beyond his. And I think too, um, you know, like going back to the the story in the um a slave in your backyard, it it really does take that agape love to see somebody who is so dark and harmful to others in our society, but to look beyond that and love them. Yeah, that's a hard call.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah, amen. And you know, that's the heart of God, right? Like no one's so far past his love. Um and I think that's a good call for the church. And you know, at switch um, because it's a spiritual problem, um the church is the only one that's actually gonna be able to address it.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

And so I think you know, for switch, the call is to engage the church, um, make them aware of the problem, but then also invite them into the solution, not just, hey, this is a big problem. It's like, hey, this is a big problem, but we're inviting you to help us solve this.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Right. I mean, as as the body of Christ, we are his army.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

And so it takes all of us. We all have our purpose. Yeah. Whether you're a nose or a toe, you're important.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Yeah. Sometimes I feel like the toe.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

I know, right? Uh um when I joined Switch and I I learned what trafficking really looked like when I saw its ugly face, was the first time I ever questioned God. It wrecked me.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

And I was just like, How can this be? How can God let this happen? And all these questions raced through my my head. And I met with my pastor, and he's a very um straightforward, not gonna beat around the bush type of guy. And he was just like, Well, um, God works through his people. He's called you to this for a reason because he doesn't want this to happen. He wants this to end, but he needs his people to do something about it. And I was like, ugh, gut punch. I was wanting to run away and hide behind that rocker and have Jesus come swoop me back up again. But no, he called me to this life. So there's that. And then the other side of it was that he said, God's a just God, and there will be a time where his judgment comes, but God is a loving God, and he's gonna give these people, including the traffickers and the buyers, as much time as they need to try to come back to him first. And I was like, another gut punch because I'm like, no, destroy them now.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Yeah, this guy's wise.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Have that fire rain come down and just destroy them. Um, but that's not how our God operates, and that's that was healing to me. That is what grounded me back on my feet and not only re-not that my faith was not to God, but you know, it didn't just restore my faith, but it strengthened my faith, knowing that there is a God that loves so greatly that I can't even comprehend it. And if he can have that kind of love for a trafficker or a buyer, he's got that kind of love for me too, right? And so, like that was just and and and not just for me, but for survivors, for victims, for people that have endured abuse, that feel lost and broken, that maybe hate him, his name, because that was used against them in their trauma and their abuse from traffickers and in their homes. But he's he knows them. Yeah, he knows that in their heart it's not him that they really, you know, hate in that there's a time and a place for him to to be a part of their life, and he's just patiently waiting for that, and he's waiting for his people to do something about it.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Yeah. I was I had that conversation recently where they were like, Why would God allow this? And I was like, We're the ones allowing it. Yes, you know, like he gave us the responsibility, he's called us to it, he's called us to protect his children, and we're not, so don't blame God, right? Blame blame us. Right.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

How many times in the Bible does it say protect orphans and widows? Yeah, and who do we know the biggest victims are orphans and widows, right? And so it's just like he's he knows it's us that are just dragging our feet.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's a pretty exciting call on the church, though, you know, because like even growing up, um hearing these Bible stories, you're like, oh, these are the heroes of our faith.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Um like we could be those heroes now. Yeah, you know, like we we have we read these Bible stories. Well, God's still alive, like you know, He's still around, and we can we can be these heroes now, yeah. Alive, walking this planet, saving these people.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

But it's it's just so amazing. Like you don't have to do it all in this this career path. You just have to do your part. The part, yeah, and God makes it makes the whole puzzle complete. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

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