[012] What If Pain Is Sacred?

What if the pain you most want to escape is not meaningless at all — but part of a deeper agreement made in love?

In this episode of The Noah Frequency, Noah begins with a striking distinction between the toddler and the adult self: not who they are, but where their attention rests. From there, the conversation opens into a larger exploration of awareness, identity, intuition, and the hidden difficulty of staying positioned in the stillness that was natural before conditioning took over.

Through questions from Stephen and listeners, Noah explores trust, trauma, grief, covenant relationships, and the possibility that the people who wound us most deeply may also be participating in sacred agreements at the level of essence. Again and again, he returns to the same underlying theme: what the identity experiences as betrayal, loss, or pain may look very different when viewed through the lens of essence.

Topics explored in this episode include:

• Why toddlers naturally rest in awareness before identity forms
 • How intuition becomes clearer when attention returns to awareness
 • Why the mind seeks validation while essence already knows
 • How trauma can become fused with identity
 • What grief and betrayal may mean from the perspective of soul agreements
 • Why the calmness felt in stillness may be more trustworthy than the mind’s conclusions

At the center of this episode is a difficult but quietly liberating idea: pain may not be proof that love is absent. It may be one of the ways love, at the level of essence, helps consciousness grow.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:10

A live show where a channel the consciousness named all speaks through trans medium Nico Kapuzos. Fielding questions about life's mysteries and about you. What follows is not an interview, but rather a QA with the spirit world. I'm your host, Stephen Berkeley. Greetings, Noah. It's wonderful to have you with us today.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Greetings to you, my dear one. The honor is ours. And greetings to all who have joined and who are listening. Our humble gratitude is bestowed to each of you as well. My dear, when you asked for clarification, allow me to assist by offering you one question. What separates the adult version of this incarnation to the version of the toddler of the same incarnation?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Is that a rhetorical question?

SPEAKER_02 1:42

How are you different now, my dear, than when you were a toddler?

SPEAKER_03 1:48

And are you addressing the whole group or just me personally?

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I'm asking you which is a reflection to all who are listening. Since you are the one seeking clarification, my dear.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

I see. Well, I have more knowledge, but I think I'm still basically the same person.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Correct answer, my dear, is positioning where your attention rests. When you are toddler, my dear, prior to your identity being formed, your attention rested within the field of awareness. Notice many articulate how aware the Tandra is, surveying its surroundings. Even the unseen. There is no distortion. Position remains within awareness. As your identity is crafted through the conditioning of your realm, your human experience the identity continues to produce thoughts in order to fill the silence between those very thoughts, and hence it is due to the conditioning that it becomes a reflex response, my dear. So even this vessel, my dear, in order for this transmission to unfold, not only is it required, but the knowledge, if you will, to relocate the positioning. But it is much more detrimental to sustain that position within the awareness. When one does not focus on the truth of varying positioning, they struggle with all modalities, not merely this form of communication. So for those who are listening and are skeptical, for those who are listening, and assume that spirit communication is a novelty reserved for just a few, then I ask each of you. How is it possible then that prior to your identities being formed, each one experiencing an incarnation remained continuous positioning within awareness? That same awareness which serves as the threshold to all spirit communication.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

It certainly helps, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Indeed, my dear.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

Wonderful. I see we have several people today in our gallery. I wonder who will ask the first question. I'll wait a few moments for someone to raise their mechanical hand, and then we'll go from there.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Would you perhaps offer the first question?

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Okay, I will. So you about the clarification you offered, Nika, Noah, I I still would like to go over some specifics with you, perhaps privately, uh in terms of making sure that what I'm working on is consistent with what the goal is.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Allow me to also include, my dear, one vital aspect, which is quite easy to overlook. Within the same field of awareness, my dear, within the same threshold we mentioned, this threshold offers dual entry. In other words, my dear, it is through that same field of awareness, through that threshold, that you receive intuition from your highest essence.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

When you allow the positioning, the focus to remain within the awareness, you trust the intuition much more deeply. Notice, even with your project, you have already received clear insight through intuition.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

When your thoughts are not continuously being produced by your identity, or your own doubt arises, when multiple possibilities play out through thought. The same applies, my dear, with what is intimate for one, what they are wishing to achieve with their humility. Refocus the position to your awareness and clarity is restored. You are seeking external validation for your intuition. The identity is quite confusing, quite controlling. And as mentioned, it has been conditioned throughout your existence to produce thought after thought. Trust your intuition, soften the mind, soften the identity, and clarity is restored through your own remembrance, realizing that time is an illusion, my dear. So even that which you are struggling currently with has already occurred through that very intuition. Is that clear, my dear?

SPEAKER_03 10:11

That is clear, Noah. However, if the result that I've the conclusion I've come to is conflicting with some of the elements that you provided me with, then I feel like I need to get your blessing before proceeding.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

You are referencing the collaboration of two trajectories.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

You are noticing that what you are focusing on is providing your perception of difficult infusion. Notice that is from the thoughts of the identity. That is not derived from your intuition. There would not be two if two were not intended to join as one. Right. You are attempting to intellectualize the process. But as mentioned, my dear, one is of intellect and the other is of emotion. So with your human identity, remember, it is impossible for the intellect to create emotion. That same intellect is perceiving difficulty with merging intellect and emotion. Hence your struggle. It is not a blessing that you are truly seeking, as it is relinquishing the control of one's identity enough to complete this project. Trust your intuition, my dear. Continue to maintain the positioning within awareness rather than allow it to fluctuate. And clarity shall be still. Is that clear, my dear?

SPEAKER_03 12:38

Yes, thank you, Noah.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

And are you?

SPEAKER_03 12:54

So Karen, Sharm, Catherine, Christy, Max, Nancy, Randy, anybody have a pro anybody have a question? Or is this gonna be me today asking questions? Well, I guess it's good. We got a question from Randy. Let me unmute you, Randy. Okay, you're up.

SPEAKER_06 13:15

I don't have so much of a question as um some gratitude. Um I feel now when I when I hear you speak, if I close my eyes, I can feel myself drift more into the awareness. And the question that popped up for me was um learning to trust more. And I'd love some insight about that.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Yeah, meanings to you. What you are experiencing, my dear, is the familiarity within the state of awareness. As mentioned earlier, the toddler instantly recognizes familiarity and comfort prior to identity being formed. This is intentional, my dear. View it as the transition state of essence within the human experience. It is familiarity, it appears effortless, it is trustworthy. This is why you are so fond of not only that state, but the emotions you experience. And notice, my dear, within the stillness there were no questions. That positioning we mentioned remained intact. It is only after, afterward, when the position relocated to your conscious mind, multitude of questions have appeared. So if you truly examine your question, you're asking, how do you trust familiarity? Do you understand the difference, my dear? Um the question should not be, how do I trust my essence? How do I trust love? How do I trust safety within familiarity? The question should be reversed. How can I soften my identity enough to sustain the true position within awareness? Do you recognize the difference in the question, my dear?

SPEAKER_06 15:59

I do.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

And is that answered what you are seeking?

SPEAKER_06 16:09

In yes, what I'm feeling now is like what I felt as a child. This is this is the state.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

Indeed, my dear.

SPEAKER_06 16:20

Got it.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

It has never since here, it has never shifted, it has never left proof that you are still interconnected with essence. It appears as if it has been severed, it has reappeared, it has been lost due to the conditioning, precisely how your identity was formed. Most notably the teachings of your realm, my dear. Apply one difference. Imagine for a moment the religious institutions accepted state of awareness as the threshold. And imagine, my dear, this has been instilled through humanity over centuries. Do you perceive that the fluctuation of positioning, the control of the human identity, and the distance one places unknowingly to their own essence would be as profound as it is throughout humanity today. This describes the human experience, my dear. But notice what you are recognizing once more. What you are comparing here to your early developmental years is a glimpse into your highest essence, my dear. This is where your remembrance truly arises through your clarity, and you will notice, and the questions do arise from where they are originating, either through the position of the conscious mind or the position of your awareness. In other words, my dear, you will focus less on the mental noise of questions and rely more on the silence of intuition. Exactly, my dear.

SPEAKER_06 19:14

Yes, it is. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

And I you, my dear. Truly a privilege.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

So, Noah, right now we don't have other hands raised, but I'm wondering if you could kind of divine what would be best for the group to hear right now from you.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Just allow me to ask them a simple question of our own. Pause and notice the hesitation of coming forth. Notice your thoughts. You are questioning your own question, where you are questioning your ability, where you are even doubting what is occurring. This occurrence you are experiencing is that repositioning. We made mention of. Now if each of you takes a moment of breath and closes your eyes, and allow that positioning to shift into the silence between the thoughts. I assure you, within that intuition, you will be offered a topic to bring forth for guidance. And notice that is not your identity creating a question, it is your highest essence guiding you to seek necessary clarity at this time of your journey. That is the difference, my dear. So, my follow-up question Whom is seeking remembrance and reconnection with their highest essence and is willing to be patient, remain in the silence, and listen for the guidance. And when you do pose your question, recognize that you are honoring your highest essence by asking it through your identity. Therefore, my dear ones, there is never a raw or insignificant question to withhold because you think so.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Well, Catherine just raised her hand. Maybe Catherine has heard from her higher essence. Catherine?

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Hello.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Greetings to you, my dear.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Greetings. Um well I hesitated because I do, I feel a question in my spirit, but don't know how to word it. And maybe don't even know exactly what it is, but I appreciate your welcoming feature.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

My dear, the focus should not be on articulation. Really express what it is you are feeling, my dear. For that intuitive term is much more accurate to how the question should be formed than how the mind perceives it should.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

The teacher in me um censors self-censors because I only understand part of what you're talking about. I'm new to this. Um my question is around the idea of identity, and it's interesting that you brought up toddlerhood, and um I feel like I've clung to an identity that was forced upon me since the moment of consciousness from a very young age, from before I can remember, and maybe even in utero, because of the trauma of the people who brought me into the world. And I wonder if my feeling of stuckness, extreme stuckness, despite life being relatively good for many years now, that I am somehow trying to explain why I feel this way today, based upon who I've been and what has happened to me. And I've just clung so hard to that identity which I don't even identify with, truly. And how do you shed that? Um I've always wanted to know who I truly would have been or was before that identity was forced upon me.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Notice, my dear one, your question is multifaceted with different layers of what a human identity is projecting upon, your acceptance. Allow us to begin with the teacher aspect you mentioned first, my dear. Notice it was through education, through what you were able to retain, which you were allowing yourself to mentor to others, through the wisdom accrued, and hence you sense you are able, the knowledge was stored, and yet with the same breath, my dear, you mentioned remembering of essence, connecting with essence, does not entail the same knowledge acquired through a human experience. But understand, my dear, the knowledge of your essence is an accumulation of all human incarnations. So in short, my dear, what you are wording inaccurately, if I may add, with love. And so you are not trusting the intellect of your own essence. I assure you, the intellect of your essence outweighs the intellect of this incarnation. So trust, my dear. It is not vital to explore multiple courses, read multiple manuscripts, attempt to devise a format in order to reach your highest essence, for you are your highest essence, and there is no division, my dear. Once more, this pertains to the conditioning, the crafting of one's identity based on their experiences through one human incarnation, my dear, their teachings. And most notably the concept of separation, which is instilled in humanity for your century. And allow us, my dear, to move on with that word separation. When one believes in separation, they are believing they are their identity first and foremost. They forget they have essence. And even if they do, faintly remember essence, they view it as a distance. But one truly believes they are their identity. They view all relationships born within the human incarnation. And that is where the misinterpretation begins, my dear. So if we remove the notion, my dear, that you are your identity, allow me to gently reverse the lens for you to receive clarity. You are first and foremost your essence. This is eternal. It does not end when the incarnation ceases to exist. The mere fact that you are eternal, your essence, you are vast, you are not isolated to any incarnation, any timeline. And therefore, my dear, the possibilities of covenants being crafted between essence and essence are endless. Which reflects, my dear, the numerous encounters you have engaged with in physical incarnation to this point of your journey. It is impossible for you to even number the relationships you haven't come in contact with throughout your journey thus far. Hence the possibilities are endless, my dear. If they view themselves as the victim. For this is the defense of the identity, my dear. If you reverse the lens you are seeking through, my dear, you will remember the covenants made. Sacred, loving, purposeful. Or even those within physical form who are afflicted. Should be the ones most honored, my dear. For that essence has truly felt each fiber of your pain. They did not experience guilt, for guilt is of the human experience. But they felt your pain in order for them to grow as well. Pain, my dear, should be equally welcomed as is love. An essence who is pure love will most certainly evolve through love as experienced within incarnation, but will evolve even greater by experiencing pain, most notably through the ones they love. So view it, my dear, as a covenant created by two loving essences to assist the other with evolution as essence by portraying specific roles through those relationships and those experiences which offer the greatest pains. When you allow yourself to view those experiences through that lens, my dear, healing occurs naturally with no effort. Also, my dear, as mentioned, your essence is vast. It is not isolated to one incarnation, nor for that matter, my dear, one timeline. And even though it is difficult for the identity to accept as truth, for it goes against control, which the identity thrives on. I assure you, my dear, these relationships that you attribute your pain to are existing within other parallel realities, other parallel incarnations. Well your essence is also very much engaged with that, my dear. Perhaps they have different titles within the relationships. Perhaps you are the one inflicting pain upon them. And notice, my dear, the identity who believes in separation, views themselves as a victim, who continues to hurt, finds it impossible to fathom that they may be the ones offering pain elsewhere to the same essences. Now for a brief moment, my dear, rather than intellectualizing the words we have articulated, focus what you are feeling within your heart. Focus the emotions, my dear, are real. Do not place your thought that this is the love you did not receive. But rather accept the truth that this is the love you are receiving elsewhere through the same essence who inflicted pain upon you in this incarnation. We are all of love, my dear. Pain is an illusion. No covenant is formed where only one essence provides pain for another's journey without receiving pain in return for their own through the same essence. Is that clear, my dear? Yes. Notice your emotions. Notice the love. Notice how the fear subsided prior to your question. For this short while, my dear, your thoughts shall return. The identity's desire to control shall continue. But if one continues to remember this feeling, then one quickly accepts the truth. That it is through this love that you are always connected, my dear, to essence. Regardless of experiences in any incarnation. You are never alone. Is that clear, my dear?

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

And I, you, my dear. Truly a loving essence.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Thank you, Catherine. Charm.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Hi, am I on mu unmuted?

SPEAKER_03 38:13

You're you're on mute, yes.

SPEAKER_04 38:15

Okay, hi. Hi. Thank you. And to you. I am kind of a newbie in this kind of thinking. And so I hope that you can make it um accessible to me what my current learning should be. Um I um I feel in my human form that I have recently lost my husband, a very dear friend, and then I was ghosted by a friend of 40 years. So I'm in uh what I call pain. And um, so I just would like you, my cat's meowling, I'm sorry. I would just like you to maybe re-clarify.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Indeed, my dear.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

Okay. Because I'm confused.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

Indeed, but notice, my dear, you had just stated that you are new to this information.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

That alone, my dear, is a testament to your truth. The willingness, the openness to listen. Why imply that, my dear, to your entire human existence. You were not open. You did not seek change. You even mocked those who spoke of the unseen.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

Well, really, no, no, I don't think so. I mean, I mean, I I feel like I have always inside of me acknowledged it, but I I haven't sought um, you know, the teachings acting.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Indeed. You accepted, my dear, which you did not fully accept.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

This is what we intended, my dear.

unknown 40:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Mocking does not necessarily expand our word through articulation. Mocking, my dear, is within. Well, you may have heard someone speak of the unseen, and defensively, you dismissed it. But deep within, my dear, there was a possibility that it may be entertained at a later date. This later date is occurring now for you. Allow me to simplify what you are asking, my dear.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Look at your hand. Notice there is more than one finger on a hand. Focus on one finger now, my dear. This is the relationship of your spouse. It is one finger, one timeline, one incarnation. The interconnectedness, my dear, is the entire arm, essence to essence. And each five fingers represents five simultaneous incarnations. The essence of the one you recall as your spouse in this life. When one views a loss, when one feels uncertain, it is as if, my dear, the one finger has been severed. Indeed, there is pain. But there are other fingers, my dear. There is still a connection. Because the other incarnations are still vibrant or ongoing. Because the other four fingers are still present, my dear. You are deeply sensing that there is something more than your intellect can rationalize at this moment. It is because of this interconnectedness that there is an inner knowing, a yearning, pull to explore the unseen, which is precisely where you are now. You are intrigued. And notice, my dear, even if you have experienced some intrigue throughout this incarnation, it took the loss of one finger for you to feel it profoundly. And allow yourself to follow your intuition to seek more insight into that which you claim. You do not have the awareness of. Is that clear, my dear?

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Not really.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Essence is connected to essence through love.

SPEAKER_04 44:28

Could you explain what you mean by essence?

SPEAKER_02 44:41

It is your breath. It is who you are prior to your incarnation. It is your being. It is your consciousness. It is expansive. It is not confined. It is your essence, my dear, your spirit, perceived in your realm as your soul, which incarnates into this human experience you are privy of, in order to express itself and grow and evolve through consciousness. It creates allegiances, if you will, through sacred covenants, agreements with other essences, or also exploring an incarnation as you. They align those incarnations to exact precision to offer lessons to one another. All emotion is born through the underlining of love. Notice there will be no grief if you did not first love. There will be no pain if you did not first love. The essence, my dear, utilizes the breath as an interface. The breath, the interface, enters the physical form that allows your essence to anchor self to this experience of human incarnation. You have always sensed a presence there during your most difficult moments. You have always received insight through intuition. You have always recognized right from wrong, if you will. And the mere fact that you experience multiple emotions throughout your incarnation is even more proof that you are essence. The human intellect cannot create emotion. Your essence is your very existence, my dear. Is that clear?

SPEAKER_04 48:14

Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

And this is what you are seeking. Well, rather than focusing only on defining essence, seek properly, my dear. Recognize the multiple fingers on a hand, represent the multiple incarnations with specific essences. If you are always interconnected, my dear's essence, one does not require the connection of form to remain interconnected. You will sense his presence near. You will receive clarity within your dream state. You will notice signs, and you will quickly dismiss them as imagination. That is what the identity does. The seeker should welcome all, observe all, you'll not disminish, diminish anything, my dear. And that is how clarity returns through love, through guidance, and through remembrance.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Perhaps you have one final question from Nancy, Noah.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

My dear, allow me to continue if I will.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Well, so can I just ask for clarification that this um this person who I am feeling such trauma from is in some way doing this for me, not to harm me.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Indeed, my dear.

unknown 50:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

And also you are viewing only from the receiving end as your identity. You're not aware currently, my dear, of the harm you are inflicting upon them elsewhere. That I am indeed, your essence in another incarnation.

unknown 50:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

In other words, my dear, if you and I entered into a covenant, a soul agreement as it's recognized in your reality. And pain and betrayal was the topic of the agreement. Would it not be beneficial to both essences if we both experienced that pain and betrayal as the receiver and the giver, my dear? That is profound. That is love. That is trust, essence to essence. And that is what a covenant entails, my dear, which is why it is sacred. So even as your human intellect has forgotten, and even as your perception alters the truth, I assure you, once the incarnation ceases, your essence remembers the truth, my dear.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

Essence honors essence due to these covenants. And the human identity can honor the one who inflicts pain upon them. It only connects them closer to their own essence, my dear. Trust your essence more than you trust your identity. And you will understand through clarity and remembrance the truth. Is that clear, my dear?

SPEAKER_04 52:57

Yes, I think you know. Yes. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 53:04

Thank you, Sharm. Our final question is from Nancy. Nancy, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Thank you, Noah. Thank you, Stephen.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

Green is to you, my dear. You have been experiencing much, my dear. Yes. And notice even as clarity is provided. Perhaps, my dear, it is too subtle to truly accept it. And with that said, my dear, you may continue to your question.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

I I yes, I understand what you're saying, but could be too subtle because I know that I don't truly understand it. Um but but I know that I'm learning, and I know that um when I'm sitting and feeling familiar, the awareness that death feels familiar. Um sometimes I feel like I'm sort of like taking refuge there um to protect myself from the the pain. Um but also from what we're talking about today, I'm I just bring up a lot of sadness that I do I do believe that in another terrible life, I I do understand that I am probably causing pain to someone else. So just so confusion and sadness.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

Umdeed, my dear. Inflicting pain upon another is not a conscious choice, my dear. It is part of an agreement, therefore it is etched within one's incarnation. It is part of the design, if you will. Even my dear, if you are or are not inflicting pain, that is irrelevant, my dear. It is your perception of pain within this incarnation where your greatest growth rests. This is why there is continuation. Notice, my dear, even when you are engaged with family, your sense of pain is elevated. And even through your mundane tasks, the pain is evident. And yet, my dear, when you do sit in your silence, when the essence has come forth and spoken directly through you through these transmissions, you sense no pain. Notice the difference, my dear. Does that not offer translation which mirrors your own essence, my dear? So if your essence is not attached to pain and is of mere love, pure unconditional love, why place so much focus on pain through your identity and why continue to experience difficulty with letting go of the concept of separation. I would understand if you have not made contact with its essence, but the fact that you have done so more than once prompts that question for you, my dear. As mentioned earlier, what you are seeking is subtle. And because it is subtle, it is difficult for your identity to accept it as truth. Is that clear, my dear? Yes. Thank you. And I you, my dear.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

Thank you, Nancy. Well, Noah, that takes us to the bottom of the hour. So I guess we'll sign off now. Thank you so much for today. It was really very enlightening.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

And I, you, my dear, if I may. Even if what was discussed does not fully register with your intellects. I ask each of you to notice the calmness, the serenity, the love that each of you experience through this transmission. And recognize the difference between what feels natural and what feels forced, and allow that to lead you along your own journeys. Honor and respect to each of you. Thank you, my dear one.

SPEAKER_03 59:50

Thank you so much, Noah. I very much appreciate you. And uh I guess we'll see you next time.