Super Heroclix podcast: Episode 6 (Silver ban list updates and our thoughts. Plus mailbag questions!)

Hey y’all welcome to episode 6 of the Super Heroclix podcast. In this one we go over the new silver ban updates and our thoughts on them. Plus we go over some fun listener questions in this one too! If you want to skip again to certain questions they are listed below with time stamps

  Hope y’all enjoy! 

question 1: “with the new changes how does this affect your pulp/silver builds?” 43:58

Question 2: “what do we like more, Silver or pulp?” 63:43

Question 3: “what piece or pieces do you plan on building with in silver?” 68:57

Question 4: “is there a piece that you have a loosing streak against?” 78:05

Question 5: “If you could remove one element from the ban list, what would it be and how would you fix it?” 83:20

Question 6: “What are the best sideline options for prime venom from the new venom set?” 94:50

Question 7: “with the new Supergirl moving coming out what would you want to see in a new Supergirl clix to represent her? Also do you think she will be in battle for Gotham?” 112:23

Questions 8: “what do you think about what wizkids has been doing with tentpoles/one man armies?” 122:32

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Welcome to the Superhero Quicks Podcast. As always, my name is Jeff, and today, as always, I'm joined by the brothers Robin. That's so many more times I can say as always. Anthony, say hello. What's up, guys? Never follow instructions. Stefano, say hello. Yellow. That is a color, not a greeting. Alright. We have a ton to talk about, and quite a bit has kind of already been talked about, but we're slow because Stefano has a life. Alright. We are just going to dive right in with the Silver Age update. There was a big Silver Age update. A lot was added. A lot was taken away. Some feelings were hurt. Mostly from this guy. And um so yeah. I'll just start right out right off the top. Temporary ban list. Temporary ban list, to my understanding, is just stuff that saw a lot of play in Modern, and so now they're just going to give it a break, so we don't see it as much in silver anymore. Added was Spirit of Vengeance, Red Hulk, Conju, Amit, Tarwet, Kevin, Prime Rogue, Smash and Destroy Captain America, one of the Kyle Rayner team up cards, the upper body, the head, and Stefano Robin. They spelled your name wrong. We said dumpster fire, but they uh I knew what they know. Joe Fett. Every podcast is made. Um so off the right off the bat, what your guys' thoughts on added to the temporary metals.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

Um not a fan of the three Egyptian deities being on there. Those are ones that I just I like using a lot as many times as I can, especially Kanchu and Amit. Uh, I know Anthony likes to use Tawe a lot with the Black Lanterns. But um, but like yeah, those three being on there, it kind of hurts a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

A lot of their play towards the end of their run in Modern was on Kevin. So you always had that support power. Amit on here, honestly, shouldn't be on here. No one's playing Amit. But it feels weird. Okay, not like I said, you're at the bottom of the list. Uh that's fair. Like Amit's not bad. And Amit has its place, but it did not get nearly as much play as the other two. Kevin gone, that also not that we ever really not not any of us saw Kevin, but uh yeah, Anthony.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Only Victor has Kevin from our group, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:45

To my knowledge. I believe so.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

Um I'll I'll butt in and I'll say, I mean, the the Egyptian gods being on there, I think it's fine. I mean, they were getting a ton of play, but I'm surprised to see uh Smash and Destroy Captain America. Like good. He's really good, but like I feel like he wasn't like people weren't winning events with him, you know. And I don't think that many people were using him, unless I'm totally wrong. But I I just don't think he was that crazy added to the ban list.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

There might be something with the terrain, with the uh killiseum to clear out terrain. There might be something there that they're not not telling us. They're like, hey, we don't really want to draw attention to this, so we're just gonna subtly ban him. But at the same time, you know, Glady Gladiator Cap saw tons of play. He's it's not permanent. So yeah. I mean, in theory, it's not permanent. As of right now, it's it's it's uh pitched as not permanent. Um Prime Rogue feels soon. Like she hasn't really got any silver chance. Um it feels like it makes sense though, because how much is being utilized already. She was legal for silver states. She was, yeah. Next 997 was equal.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

So And I mean she was on every team for modern, it's being white when she came out.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, because like a the new hotness, that's always gonna be the it's always gonna get on there. But at the same time, um she isn't hurt by Beetlejuice that much, and she just kind of smacks him for whatever reason is in there.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

I mean you can make the same argument with the uh upper body and the head, I mean, too soon, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

I don't see them coming back. They are too power, they are too powerful for being free. Yeah. If they cost points, they would not be on this list.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

I I love the upper body though. That was I think that was a great terrain. But yeah, I agree with you. It's so easy just to pop down every single team like the herb and you know the phone booth, so and you don't gotta pay any points for it, and it's just extra powers for your entire team. It's yeah, it's a little broken.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

At the same time, though, I feel like it wasn't a guarantee that it would be in play because of uh like your characters like Mimic. Like anytime somebody tries to pick it up. I mean, most people, the way they were playing her maybe like TKing it underneath specific people, but for those characters that pick it up to specifically use the benefits of it, I felt like you know, Mimic kind of came into play to kind of balance that out a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Maybe. But Mimic's also kind of also has been solved as well. You just have to move in a path where you can't stop at the time you pick it up.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

So that is true.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

It's not a perfect strategy, but it's it is one, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Um I'm not a fan of Mimic, mostly just because let's see, my least favorite characters Mimic, Wonder Woman, and Fortify. Because I forget until like three turns later, like, oh, I should've revived. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 5:55

Um, you hate them not because they're good.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

Oh, they're they're fine. But because you don't remember to use them. That's your head. And then a subset of that is Pegasus Captain America sucks because he misses and dies. But that's just me. Um, what was the controversy?

SPEAKER_04 6:13

Um someone said that Pegasus' Captain America sucked and was like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Because he misses and dies. Here's the thing. Pegasus cap, the power of you don't get defense powers. That is broken. That is good. He is hindered by being a one by two. He's hindered by being the last peanut base. So he can't be TK'd. He doesn't, there is no real way to deploy him anymore. You can't time breaker him out, you uh, you know, you can falc you can falcon him, which is a fine strategy, but he's a single target and he doesn't really reduce. He has a very small his big thing is hypersonic, he has a very small range. I often forget he gives characters charge. I he's good. He is great for especially being a LE, uh purchaseable or whatever it is. He's great. But he he just kind of dies. Okay. That's my two. Cool, he he can get three really good equipment for free. Not at once, obviously, but like the armor, the sword, and muonier are all good, all great equipment. Ironically, I've never seen Thor, never seen Mjolnir play it on a Thor, but that's besides the point. Um yeah, so Pegasus Cap is kind of broken, but also at the same time handicapped.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

You know, he's hard. He's very glass cannon-y, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Oh, absolutely. It's I mean, I had a team, the team I was kind of proud of was Pegasus Cap, double Miss Marvel, and the idea was Pegasus Cap goes in, he hits somebody, the Marvel's voop next to him, they both now have charge, so they charge Flurry with Muramasa blades and all this fun stuff. Cap missed his first attack, and then they came in, and they missed their attacks, and then I just went home, I think. No, I didn't, but like it's it ultimately it's a dice game, and Pegasus Cap must not like me, probably because I keep talking crap about it. But um yeah, I don't I don't see a controversy. That's someone manufacturing a controversy. That's someone saying Pegasus Cap is bad, prove me wrong. And like that's not how the debate works. It's on you to prove me wrong. No, it's you to pro it's on you to prove me wrong.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

I think he nailed it. I don't think Pegasus broken. I mean, like you said, he does a lot with the uh cut-through defense powers, but yeah, I mean you could literally take him out in one hit. Like he's not he's not a hard piece to take out. No one's playing him. I'm yeah, I'm the only crazy person that tried playing him at his 125 point. You played at 125? I think it's 125. I yeah, that was the uh my my Captain America bomb team.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Oh yeah. I I basically So you didn't play it like in a action in like a competitive.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Not in an actual time, just at our store. I mean, I think we were doing like silver practice at the time.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

And essentially Yeah, it was a real format you played it in, but not a uh not a real event.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

Yeah, and it wasn't good enough for me to actually roll with it for a big silver event. But it was fun. It was very fun. I mean, the idea was Captain America goes out with Heimdall Sight. I had uh I think three ways to enhance his attack, three ways to enhance his damage. So he was dealing, I think like seven or eight damage from across the map, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

How are you dealing? He his printed is three. How are you- Oh wait, top dial.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

I think it's printed as four at top dial.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 9:56

I think I was dealing seven.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yeah, so that more than likely erases a character. But exactly. Then what? Then he dies.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

I mean, hopefully you erase a really good character.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Yeah. Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Uh but yeah, I mean it's he's he's good, he's fun, but he's not, I don't think he's broken. Yeah. No, I would argue Captain America is a very balanced character. Because he's not on the he's not on the temporary ben list.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

He's a very balanced character, I think.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Well, I think in if he's going if he's gonna get any sort of hit, it would be in silver because silver you still have falcon, which is like the only way I can think of that deploys him.

SPEAKER_05 10:38

Does he share a keyword with Khazar? Like warrior or something?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Animal.

SPEAKER_05 10:42

Animal, maybe? Oh yeah. So Khazar is also a good way to move him.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

Diana?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Diana places him. Okay, so my mistake, there is act there are several ways to do it.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

But there's ways, but he's still not.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Diana is you're investing 75 points. So you're investing 50 to 75 points to get one attack off. That if that hits, it's really good. Right. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 11:09

And then he dies.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Yeah. He's also gonna rotate in six months, so he's fine. Or he's gonna rotate in six months, so we have to do something about it. We have to bend him immediately. We didn't talk about the watch list, I'm sure people did.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

I was gonna say, yeah, we just went off on tangent number one.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Tangent number one, all right. Do a little tangent counter in the video. Um You said this is the watch list next, right? Uh wait. So, alright, if you want to talk about the watch list, real quick, here's the result. Beatle juice is fine because he's gonna retire in six months. Um Perdegaton is bad, even though he's gonna retire in six months. Ares got a lateral move, nothing else changed. We're moving on.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

Uh unless you guys actually everything everything makes sense.

unknown 11:53

All right.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Bring Prodigaton back. No. I mean Gone to Tangent 2. I don't like that figures can't just be good. Like Prodigaton was really good. He was a rare. Let just let a figure be good.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Yeah. I don't think predegaton was a problem. I don't think it was a problem at all. I think Beetlejuice was a problem.

unknown 12:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

And Pro Degaton is a Beetlejuice is something that's all right. Um back to the Silver Age update. Anthony, do you want to go over the removed from the temporary ban list?

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Absolutely, Jeff. So, removed butterfly. I think we could just stop there, honestly. That's all I'm scared. We'll keep going. Uh Butterfly, we got Black Metal Wonder Woman was removed. Um, Kathon was removed, but banned.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

We should also still banned. Wonder Woman was moved to the restricted list.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

Yes, I'm sorry. Wonder was removed to the restricted. Uh, Masters of Time Dark Side was removed to banned. Um Ghost Rider's back and he's restricted. Prime Colossus is back and he's restricted, and uh Stoff must be really excited about this one. Kong is back, but he's restricted.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Let us go!

SPEAKER_04 13:13

So Big Monkey Go Smash is back, people. Everyone's either banned or restricted except Butterfly.

SPEAKER_05 13:19

Yes. Kong. That's weird. Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Oh yeah, you have yours. Uh don't break it with the top box.

SPEAKER_05 13:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

There you go. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

What sucks is you guys have three Kongs, but he's restricted, so you guys, even if you both use it. We don't use one.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

Well, if we both use it, we use at least two.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

No, you can't use two. If I both use one, you still have one. You have an unusable con.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

Can I just bring up the fact that um unbanning it, like, or unrestricting a character, but still having them be banned, like just doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

So you're talking about Cathon and Dark Side?

SPEAKER_05 13:59

Yeah, like I get Dark Side, like sure, but Cathon's. That still sounds like an extra form of banning to me.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

It it means that there's no right at the end of the tunnel. There's no hope.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

For Cathan.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Like, we can have hope that at some point.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

Maybe they can come back.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

I don't see it.

SPEAKER_05 14:27

See, I feel like maybe if they changed Cathan a bit, like, and gave him like another rat or something like instead of taking damage, you just pay like 10 points like an avatar or something like that, just to kind of like bring him back, because it's such a good piece to put on mysticals.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

But yeah, damaging your own characters is always problematic in some way or another.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Which I feel like it was used mostly with spirit of engines.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Like that was like the biggest, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

Yeah, like the biggest controversy that happened with him. But the fact the spirit of engines is still banned, like Catharon should be able to come back.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

I kind of don't see any. I see no problem restricting Kathan, actually.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

I was gonna say I want to put him on Kong. I just said that. I want to put him on Kong and an Avatar. Uh preferably one of the three Egyptian ones that they banned.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

That might be part of the reason why they restrict why they banned him, because he can go on figures that don't like normally for something like that, avatars you can't be equipped, you can't have another avatar be equipped, obviously, and vice versa. So maybe Cathan just being that extra oomph was not healthy.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

So there you go. I think you've got two ways to fix it. You put him either on the restricted list, like you said, or we errata Cathan and just say he's an avatar. I feel like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Avatar of Cathan.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Yeah, Avatar of Cathan. They have all the same effect and everything, but he's an avatar now. So now you can't equip someone who has Cathan, you can't put an avatar on someone that has Cathan. He is the Avatar.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

And he costs 10 points. I still think the biggest issue is the um the self-damaging. Like that's you shouldn't be able to activate things.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

You shouldn't have to I I would say take that part out and then make it the avatar tripe. And that'd be like the swap.

SPEAKER_04 16:22

It's an extra step.

SPEAKER_05 16:24

But yeah. Guys is if you fail willpower, though. Cathan's was just automatic.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Gaia's issue. If you have clear tokens with Gaia, I guess it's true.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Yeah, so you take an action, clear a token, now you take a damage. It's extra steps. But I'm sure there are smart people too. There's always going to be characters like Spirit of Vengeance who um, you know, ideally you want to try to deal some damage to you to get some effects and stuff, and yeah, Kathan's just a really easy way to do that. So I I do see what you're saying. I mean, is there anything you guys um are excited about with uh what's been removed?

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Butterfly opens some issues butterfly opens some possibilities.

SPEAKER_05 17:09

Um I guess butterfly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

I don't really see myself going for any of these guys as my restricted well, because first off, uh I think I do Sir Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

Uh Kong? Yeah. 300 point Kong back in action, baby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

You don't see you using any of these guys who are on the restricted list?

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Of the new added ones. Like I don't know, like maybe Wonder Woman. I don't own Dark Sider Colossus, so I don't think to play with to build with them. And Kong feels like a big one. Did I say Darkseid? I meant Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider and Colossus. Like I don't own game, so I don't think to go even though like you guys do and have often lent me stuff, it's like I don't think to play with them. But also I'm playing with other primes in mind, so I can't use Colossus anyway.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

I think it's nice that they're both restricted, because I was sick of seeing both of them on a team together. Well, so it was just disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

It is the alright, tangent number three. It was the biggest middle finger to the competitive to the ult to Lucas Van Holland. I was gonna I was gonna try to do like some vague thing, but so apparently Lucas Van Holland constantly told Joe what's his last name? I forget. Um constantly told Joe Ghost Rider's bad, ghostwriter's bad, you should stop playing him. And then he went to win CCO, Nats, and Worlds with Colossus Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

Yeah, that's just a nasty combo.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Yes, I mean I bet he's excited, the champs are excited that Ghost Rider is back. Bale is probably excited that Ghost Rider is back. Um, I don't think Ghost Rider was ever that big of a problem, if I'm being honest. He's annoying. Ghost Rider is annoying. Who's this guy, bro? He's alright.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

No, he was just annoying, bro. You gave him shape change or something with his pilot too, and he was just like you'd never hitting him. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

I think uh once you get Ghost Rider off like his first first and second quick, he loses invincible. And I I think at that point he just becomes kind of easy to take out. The problem is, is you gotta decide if you're gonna focus on taking them out at the beginning or if you're just gonna let him let him stay.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

I just had a bad experience. I am surprised. I didn't think it was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

Yeah, that was a tanky turn.

unknown 19:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:02

And I mean, that's still what close combat reflexes at least.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

Yeah, I'd argue it's just as good.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

I wouldn't say ash.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

I would say some situations. It gives them the mobility too.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

It does give him mobility.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

Which is um scary.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

I'm gonna say it, guys, the thing I'm most excited about, and I know if my boy Wes is listening, he agrees. Exactly. We got we got butterfly back. Um, is that he was never gonna come back. And WizKids just proved you wrong, Jeff, because my butterfly is back.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Hold on, hold on. My butterfly. I said they're not gonna let the lasher combo last. Which we can maybe talk about later.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

Well, yeah, we're definitely there's uh uh a listener question that will spur that.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

But he said from Banthony Bobnet.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

From Anthony from Ranthony Robnitt.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

Uh brother.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

The third brother's crazy. And then I I like that Wonder Woman's back too for the restricted ones. I feel like she is a great use of your restricted slot if you're not using any of the other ones. Death Metal Wonder Woman?

SPEAKER_02 21:21

I know. I always forget about her.

SPEAKER_04 21:23

Yeah. Well, that's your problem.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

You gotta stop forgetting.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

It was funny. Alright, another tangent time. Playing with her. We played her just this last Wednesday, and uh playing against Matt, and he KO'd her, and it was I actually said out loud, do I revive her or not? And he looks at me and goes, You revive her. Because why not? Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, because either you don't and you just don't get the reports I either do or I don't, and never revive anything.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

So yeah. She's hard to hit because of the super senses unless you outweigh it. Um crazy super senses, the mystics, just an annoying character to deal with, honestly. And then with the revive, it's yeah, it's just why wouldn't you? But you can give her the long short for free as well, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:14

I don't know for sure, but you can give her God killer. Yeah, you give me a few. She's probably a warrior. I can't imagine she's not a warrior or brute. Yeah. But for sure you can give her God killer.

SPEAKER_04 22:24

I still think God killer is probably what you want to give her.

SPEAKER_05 22:27

A solid piece overall, I think.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Um you wanna, Stephana? I know you don't like reading, but do you want to read the restricted list? Do you have a do you have the list with you?

SPEAKER_05 22:41

I would, but I am recording on my phone. Henceforth, I have no other form of looking at said list. I'm just a pretty face. I'm just the pretty face here. Listening. Uh we're doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

If you're the pretty face, we're doing something wrong. Wow. You think you're gonna go over this?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

I'll go over the what was added. Uh the added. Listen, Kim Possible, I heard. Uh you heard that?

unknown 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

How is it you heard that? How was it you heard that from my text? But a couple weeks ago when I had the morph for playing music, you guys were like, Yeah, I got I got nothing. I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

I think that Zoom, three using Zoom, um, I think it does something that like when you try to show music, it just doesn't record it. I tried uh in one of our earlier ones, I tried showing like the Star Wars music, and it just didn't no one could hear it.

SPEAKER_05 23:46

Yeah, it's a weird feature, probably. But we did hear the Kim Possible.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

What are you doing, J?

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Still not uh sorry, uh baby cried, and that was my wife texting that she would handle her because I have the monitor, but I didn't hear the baby crying. Oh, okay, but she laid back down, so it's me responding to her that she's laying down. Um restricted list. Okay, um, added to the restricted list. Uh Disney Plus, Captain Carter Shield, the uh Carnage Silver Surfer, Sakarian Iron Man, Wakanda Hulkbuster, Black Leopard, F that piece, Animal Man, Sky Tyrant, Plastic Man, Ghost Rider, Double Restricted, Colossus, Wonder Woman, Kong, Ring of Telekinesis, The Angler, Halt Mutant, Images of Icon, Crimson Band of Sidorak, and Practice Teamwork. Removed, Ares, and Maggot.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

I think the Ring of TK and Captain Carter's Shield are interesting placements.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

I believe Captain Carter's Shield is almost 100% because of Colossus. Printed 20 with the defend. Or no, lies, it's not because of Colossus, it's because of Barry Allen. Printed 20 defend, so everything will be defending to a 21. That is why it's restricted. So it's like if you want to go with that gimmick, you gotta go for it. I understand that now. He's kind of crazy good.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

He's a pretty solid piece. You can't play him with Konshi anymore, so is he really worth playing?

SPEAKER_02 25:33

He's been out long enough to he's been out long enough that people kind of have him solved. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

I guess, but he's it's the same problem with uh him, Saki, and Sky Tyrant, in my opinion, all have the same issue. They're a 50-point piece that is crazy good, has good mobility, um, can make multiple attacks, and they're just so easy to throw on almost any team. The fact that people were able to add all three of them to a team for 150 points and not even touch their modern side for silver is was insane.

SPEAKER_05 26:12

Yeah, it kind of sounds like they're just banning my last team that I played in silver.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

That was, yeah, because you did the Avengers past team. You didn't have Smart and Surfer, but you had Saki, Sky Tyrant, Reverse Flash, which is kind of I mean, at least he was a prime. But I mean he was kind of the same thing where 40 points, crazy mobility, attack multiple times.

SPEAKER_05 26:36

Um Yeah, what the heck, Wiskids?

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Let me have fun. Yeah, I think you had like 12 attacks on that team or something ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

Yeah, I love the idea that Wiskids is looking, Wiskids is looking at your team that made top eight. And Calder's team that won. Okay. That won't be without really wrong.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

Jeff, let's not let's not be modest. I was top seven. Vale was eight. Okay. I that's seven. I was number eight. Right, but we're more prizes. He's number eight different than his. It's more worth it for me, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Alright. Um and I'm bummed to see him here, but I get it.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

He's he kind of froze on us, Jeff, a little bit. What'd you say?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Uh I am bummed that Animal Man is on this list.

SPEAKER_04 27:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

He's good. I don't know if he's restricted good. Sky Tyrants, you're just not, you're just not playing animal.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

Yeah, I can't even play him on Kong anymore.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Yeah. That might be part of it.

SPEAKER_05 27:41

Like, well, if we're gonna unban Kong, we gotta restrict them both, because at this point, is there any anybody you can put on Kong besides Daya? Or I guess Daya bossed.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Yeah, bass. There's the there are the modern ones, and then there are the uh they're not as good. Yeah, but they all print they all go off of um like using not even that. Like they're like, oh, if you if the avatar uses outwit, if the avatar uses prob or plex, it's like he's not doing any of that, so who cares?

SPEAKER_05 28:21

So they give us back power, but then they take away the three Egyptian deities, Animal Man and Kathon. What the heck? Where's the where am I supposed to have fun at this point, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

The Egyptian god parts. That's basically it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

They took everything away, man. I guess I could put MOGO with them for 40 points, but like it's not who if you're playing MOGO with a tent pool, I have a better tent pool in mind.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Oh Screen Lantern. Just in case. Um, if you want to play an ultraviolet, you want to play him, I have the best ultraviolet guy, too.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Oh, is that the entity?

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Yeah, and oh, and do you oh yeah, I think I hear somewhere the best for uh Quintar? You know, while we're finishing the bit Apocalypse.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

I would have liked him a lot more if they let me play him with my Black Lanterns the right way.

SPEAKER_05 29:19

I mean, he is a Black Lantern technically.

SPEAKER_04 29:21

You just can't hear the. No, but not the right. Exactly, not the right way. So that's why all the way up.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

For audio listeners, I'm holding Eternity. Um the original, he this guy, his original card's banned in silver for that very reason. Because Black Lanterns is too bad.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

Black lanterns?

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Yeah, so the legacy eternity can't be healed above the starting line because of Black Lanterns. But that's besides the point. Um for everyone's Black Lanterns.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

I don't think Ghost Rider should have been brought back at all because I hate that figure with a burning passion. But that's just me.

SPEAKER_04 30:06

Ghost Rider's not that bad, buddy. He's not that bad.

SPEAKER_05 30:11

Honestly, it's the you know what it was for me personally? It was the fact that during that time I tried making an ace legacy card team, and then that piece was just like, hey, guess what? No. And I was like, well, that's not okay because that's what Ace is supposed to do. She tells you no. And the Ghost Rider was just like, no, but I'm telling you no. And I was like, I don't like that, because that's that's my whole gimmick, and you just take it away from me. You know?

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Two wrongs, don't make a right. Do you guys ever see yourself playing a one-shot as your restricted unit?

SPEAKER_05 30:45

No. The Crimson Band of Sidorak, I feel like it's if it's a one-time use, then it's not worth it.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Yeah, well, Crimson Bands is at least a spell.

SPEAKER_04 30:55

I that is true. Now that you mention it, um I don't think any of the one-shots should be here. I I get that they're very good.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

No, they if they're not here, they need to be banned.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

I was gonna say that. I'd rather them just be banned. Because having them you're on the restrict list, I feel like is just is stupid.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

I I heard I heard of a team. Someone played Legacy Galactus that just has like power action place anywhere on the map. They halt mutanted and crimson bands of Sidderact Galactus and put him in like the opponent's starting area. So he's like, hey, you none of your team can move, and none of you can touch Galactus. It's your turn. You're done? Great, my turn. I'm gonna skip a turn. So that's a good thing that they're both restricted. I I agree. It's it should be banned or not. The only reason I could see, and I have it here, Halt Mutants. The only reason I'm gonna add this to my team is if I've built my team, I'm happy with it. I'm five points under, and I just happen to not have a restricted. Which is probably never going to happen. So unless your strategy relies on Halt Mutant happening, which don't get me wrong, in states, Anthony, yours and my game, Hall Mutants came in very very clever at just the right time. But by that logic, I also had Scott Porter who was restricted, and Animal Man, who is now restricted. So like it may that's the point, that's the a tick in the favor for you need more restricted units. I don't know. I like the idea of their stuff.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

They're still restricted?

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Yeah. They will probably always be restricted.

SPEAKER_05 32:33

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

So you can play one or the other.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Um last thing you want to say, Black Leopard. No more giant, no more um destroyer leopard. No more destroyer armor leopard.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

Man. Go ahead and Black Leopard with passion. End of an arrow. Cyan R, dude. That's peace.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

I love that. I love a lot of things. That sucked. Mjolnir is just better.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

You say that sucks, or you say Matt sucks?

SPEAKER_05 33:00

I said that sucks.

unknown 33:02

Matt.

SPEAKER_04 33:04

I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. But that yeah, that was uh that was like what Matt was running for like a long time. Yeah.

unknown 33:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

But the Black Rapper Destroyer was Emma Frost, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Chase Emma Frost from XDPS.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

The Watcher and like basically was like, you can't you can't touch me from across the map. You can only hit me if you're right next to me. And if you are right next to me, um all your stats aren't going to be modified because I think he had Myrn also.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

Right?

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Yeah. Recently, too.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

He he ran a worlds also. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Yeah, his the strategy of space Leo makes you lose some equipment, and now I'm I'm next to impossible to hit. Oh, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Yeah, Leo.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:58

Yeah, so he scores points and then makes you come to him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Which is not a bad strategy.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

It's a it's a for the way he's the way he structured the team, it was insanely good. Yeah.

unknown 34:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

It was a good team. If if you are still insistent on playing Black Leopard, just bring for the extra five points and play Mjolnir or make an Avengers theme team and play swap cap and swap out a Captain America for Black Leopard and get it for free.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

Yeah, there's other stuff that that's I mean, I think he's still out of what is restricted, I I would say he's still probably one of my top choices. Um I just feel like he's just really good. I mean, making it so that no one can modify their stats, and then also if you can boost him up, I mean he's just a bobble. He's annoying. Very annoying.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah, so he's he's annoying enough to make the restricted not annoying enough to ban.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Which uh he might deserve a ban, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:00

Yeah, and also Aries coming off of the restricted list, too. Especially with his change.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Well, because it does mean like the max you can deal care. You can't deal, you can't just lay waste to a team with Ares anymore.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

Yeah. Right, but the fact now that they just become hit, I think it's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

But it also gets damaged. They are damaged. You're not hitting them. You're just damaged.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

You don't even get a roll, your super senses, you get a roll impervious film or something. Yeah, that's kind of wild, I think. I think we're saying it still gets through stop clicks, too. I would imagine they they would get reducers.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

They would definitely get the reducers. I don't know if they'd get the roll. But that's a question for smarter people than I. Uh Maggot finally coming off the stick vest. I don't know if anyone's if anyone was beforehand.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Good for maggot.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

Yeah, we never got too much use out of that piece when we had it. I think we ended up trading it for other stuff we were looking for, but I mean I I definitely saw that some people were using it and it was effective.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

So yeah. I have one mostly because it's fun to say that you have a champ piece designed for a championship.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Um overall, if you guys had to give it uh like a grade.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Uh I I don't know. Pass. Like it's a fine list. I'm bummed about some stuff, but I get it. And it is yeah, they brought Kong back, so it's a bonus for me.

SPEAKER_05 36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

I'd give it like a I'd give it like a B plus. B plus, A minus, maybe. I think overall this is really good for the game. I don't I don't see anything that like I'm super pissed off about. I don't see anything that I feel like is super unfair. Um I think uh you know I feel like no one is no one's pissed off about it, I feel like no one's happy about it. And uh like Tyrion Lannister said, uh that's a sign of a good compromise. That you know, if no one's no one's happy about it, we compromise well. I think whiskeys uh I think whiskey's cooked here.

SPEAKER_05 37:19

Yeah, I do think it was a pretty pretty balanced list on this one. Like I said, I think my biggest gripe with it is the fact that we can't use the Egyptian gods anymore. Because I feel like those are like they're like, I get people were using them a whole bunch, but it was like a one power kind of thing. But if you pair, like Jeff said with Kevin, I could see how that could definitely become a problem. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

I see I feel like they're one trick pony enough. I see maybe in a year Kevin be getting restricted.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Yeah. Oh my god, guys, we forgot one thing. The ban list.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

The Thundercats iconics? What? Not done. I knew we weren't done. Did you know we were done? We were done.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

That's why I asked you guys what was your overall grade. Yeah, my bad.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Dude, we we're missing the biggest controversy controversy. I am insulted. He's like, you know what? This this edge list wasn't that bad. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna so I know it's technically your turn because I read the other one. I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read from the bottom.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Don't worry.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

The ban list. Alright, I'm gonna and I'm gonna read their justification. Pro Degaton elements on the ban list are those. Well, ban Prodigaton, they don't need to say Pro Degaton is just banned in all Wizkids.

SPEAKER_05 38:35

Degaton's been mega banned in everything. They don't need to say anything.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

The game elements on the ban list are those that WizKids team has decided cannot be allowed in silver, and we do not expect that to change. Elements on the ban list are either uniquely powerful or enable infinite loops or other synergies too potent for the restricted list. Kathon, fine. Heal juice, hallelujah, dark side. I never faced a competent one. I assume it was bad. Based on what I hear, it was bad. Infinot, never actually seen one in person, and finally, pour one out, my boy, the spot. Because apparently 16 for six from across the map is ungood for the game. Yeah, what the hell? Four times. Dude, my spot is a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

If you guys want to see why banning this is justified, you should just go watch uh Mine and Jeff State video.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

Wait, what? Oh, you can't.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

I said if you want to find out why this is a justified ban, go watch Jeff and I's state tournament video.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Okay, follow-up. Do you want to see why spot isn't a problem? Go watch mine and Anthony Barrigan's game where he beats me, where I lose.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

Alright. But Anthony Barrigan. What the heck? I I can't one one turn uh full point ultra chase collector with my spot killbox anymore. That doesn't seem right.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Alright, well, the spot killbox that got errated. That that's yeah, that got done. Those were the good old days. Personally, like here's the thing. I've I played spots author I played spot author silver, and getting ready for that, I never once placed a character. It just wasn't worth it. He was just always like, I kinda want you over there, so I'm just gonna keep hitting you over there. Placing you just makes me have to go chase you again. Yeah. Um I do like okay, so wham wam wham, woe is me. I'm done. I do actually understand the spot, because yes, you should maybe had they made both spots, you throw in the SAV1 as a restricted, you restrict the two. Spot's not perfect, but it does help. Just because like you have double spot, you have full map reach. And like even like someone if you facing like a Wakanda Hulkbuster, you can take one free action. Okay, my one free action is going to be outwit that power, and now I'm gonna flurry you twice. So I get it. I don't like it, but I get it. I don't agree with it, but I understand.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

But I get it. Yeah. So other than that, I think the band list is pretty it's pretty self-explanatory.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

I think uh I think a full band list. I think they should have just temporary band.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

I I I kind of disagree. As the spot lover, um, I it should have been all or nothing.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

It's I agree, it should have been nothing, Jeff. Thank you, Jeff.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

That was what I would have rather, but now I have to now I have to find a new Sinister Syndicate. Where am I going to find more Sinister Syndicate people? Oh my god. That's so dumb.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Why does he have all keywords? I didn't even think about eternity on a Sinister Syndicate team.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

The problem is though, I have to play him at 50. And he's only like 10 for 3 at 50, but 12 range, 12, 10 for 3 that can't be reduced because of Sandman is still like good. 12 range prob that seems through everything. That's probably so good. He also slows them down with the prob, right? As well. Uh every every attack can only be rerolled once.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Yeah. So it's pretty good too.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

And last thing, we this doesn't affect us. King's Tomb is banned. It's fine. I've own I have one friend who has it. I don't know if he even knows it got banned. It's a very oppressive long map. I'm sorry if you paid for it. Because I'm pretty sure you can go into gamer mats and buy it. Sorry if you bought it. I'm sure it's pretty hanging on your wall somehow. So final comments on the Silver Age Upless update.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Meh.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

It'll do. So I guess it's balanced. It's balanced. So I guess my last question on this. I'm sorry, Anthony, do you have any final words on this?

SPEAKER_04 43:10

No. No, we're gonna talk a little more about silver silver. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

We got a few questions back. And unless this is asked in the question bag, um, mailbag, whatever you'll call it, how what are you looking at for silver now if you're wanting to if you're willing to share your tech with the world?

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Um that is kind of one of the questions.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

Okay, then we will cover that later. So keep that in mind for.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Let's just do it now.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

So uh you want to just dive into the questions and start with that question?

SPEAKER_04 43:43

Yeah, we'll hit that.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

Hit up the mailbag intro. Now it's uh ignored mailbag. You've got questions, we've got answer.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

All right. So um The first question is from one of our viewers from the beginning. Someone's always supportive of the channel. Anthony. You know the Yu G to My Toto. I said he's the Yuji to my total. You wouldn't get it. It's an anime.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

It's JJK.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

Loser.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

Sit to board games, fella.

SPEAKER_04 44:25

Alright, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Okay, hold on. Time out. Timeout. You guys are not allowed to insult each other on your nerdiness based on your backdrops.

SPEAKER_05 44:36

I'm not going to insult my backdrop. This is awesome. My backdrop.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 44:41

That number right there.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Symbiote. It's uh something about uh people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks, you know. Anyway, carry on. What's that's question?

SPEAKER_04 44:58

And we will's question. He actually asked two questions, but we'll we'll do his first one. With the recent changes to oh, this isn't really for silver, my bad. He said with the recent changes to pulp, how does this affect your team? I think he means silver because there were no recent changes to pulp.

SPEAKER_05 45:24

Um I'll tell you what it does for me. There's a certain big monkey coming back into play. And Big Monkey goes smash. And that's what I intend to do.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Yeah, I think that question. I think that question was aimed back before um when they when they first announced silver pulp.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

Yeah. He asked when when we posted the post, this is what he asked. So maybe he means pulp. Um I think we're talking about silver.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

So well, so technically, um I don't know if the top of my head, anything that is restricted in regular silver is banned in silver pulp, but everything they added was already not allowed in pulp. So I I'm guessing he was mistaken. Oh, hold on. Aries, if we go by that logic, if it was restricted in pulp, it's or restricted in silver, it's banned in pulp. Aries was removed from the ban list. And restricted.

SPEAKER_05 46:29

Well, for that.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Protegaton, no, protecton doesn't exist. Stop stop saying that. Protagon will never see the light of day again, Anthony. Um does Aries is Ares now allowed in pulp? In silver pulp.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

I think so. I think, yeah, because he's been removed from the restricted, right? He was only not allowed, like you said, because he was restricted or banned in regular silver.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

If you were restricted in regular silver, you were banned in pulp. Um now he's not restricted. Do we get Ares back? And if so, is that a big deal?

SPEAKER_04 47:05

Alright. So I guess. If it's pulp, um no, it doesn't this doesn't affect my pulp team at all because I hate pulp. I'm back on the bandwagon. Or back on my my hate train. Pulp sucks, guys. It's so bad. It's so bad. I'll never like it. I tried, I really did try, but it sucks. So no, it's not.

SPEAKER_05 47:29

You can't win if you're not playing chases, sound like now.

SPEAKER_04 47:33

If we are talking, if you meant silver, then yeah, butterfly. Butterfly is the recent change to silver that will be affecting my teams because um he wasn't allowed to be on silver teams at all. Now he is.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Um butterfly had a silver season. I mean, for a little bit, but when he was modern, when it was modern.

SPEAKER_04 47:58

Yeah, but then he got banned.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Once it when he rotated, it got when technically and also I believe Butterfly is a woman, but when it got rotated, it got benched.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

So yeah. So I would love to take full credit um for the hook and release strategy, but I I will give credit, you know, to know who it's due, which is Wes. Um I love Butterfly for that reason. So there's three pieces now officially in silver that I would be running with Butterfly. Um, number one is if I'm doing a Black Lantern team, uh, Black Lantern Wonder Woman. Nope, not that one. Uh, mostly because I don't have them, but not eternity. For our viewers, um, Jeff is showing me uh uh Eternity and the Apocalypse bystander pack.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

I don't know why I have this on my table, but um even open.

SPEAKER_04 48:55

So yeah, no, so uh Wonder Woman would be my number one option for a butterfly switch. Um for Black Lantern teams. If I'm running just a more generic for clarity, the Black Lantern Wonder Woman, not yes, the black yeah, the Black Lantern Wonder Woman from Notorious. Um options two and three would be Black Manta, the trouble alert maker. Is it trouble alert? Yeah, sideline trouble alert black manta. Um, and then a new one, I actually got them right here. A new challenger is a lasher from the Venom set. Now, the reason why these three specifically are my options for butterfly is they all have a really cool effect that when they make an attack, they may place a character um either adjacent to them or in Wonder Woman's situation into a grave marker. Um this is awesome because your butterflies, when they attack through the butterfly, you know, attacks one from across the map, you mind control them, have them do a little bit of damage to your opponent's team. Bring them into your little killbox, you know, that's the hook, and then you have your attackers that come and just attack the crap out of them, killing them all in one turn, basically. And then that's the release. The sweet release of death. So yeah, but I asked the last question. That's the piece I'm most excited to use, and that is the piece that will be changing how I'm building a lot of my solver teams.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

Yeah. What about what about you guys?

SPEAKER_05 50:38

I said mine. My my big monkey is gonna destroy your little butterflies, dude. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Um watch me. It kind of is. Giant reach of throws. You can't do what you can't do the strategy on comp.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

You're right. I mean, worst case, like you said, I throw um. So the alright. We're this is gonna become a longer question than it probably was anticipated. Um, here we go. Tangent.

SPEAKER_05 51:10

Yeah, we're like uh 10 now.

SPEAKER_04 51:14

Um for silver. So everyone can see really quick. That's the team name right there. It's just a little butterfly.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Just a little butterfly. You're not a good thing. No one suspects the butterfly.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Um, but the team is Guy uh Lantern Legacy, Guy Gardener with the Star Sapphire Ring, Butterfly, um, Death Metal, Wonder Woman with the God Killer Sword, Reverse Flash with the Power Gem, Venom Magneto with the Time Gem, Legacy Black Panther with the Dark Hold, Space Ghost, Leech, and Vanisher. Um, with this Vanisher is able to get, I'm able to generate a butterfly, get a butterfly across the map, either on a big map, or if I have to deal with, you know, a bunch of blocking like Frog's bunker, vanisher, phases teleports through all that, so I can get my butterfly attack off. Um, I can bring my opponent across the map. Between Guy Guard or Bleach goes next to you know, whoever I bring across the map, so no powers. And then between Guide Gardener and Reverse Flash, I'm dealing 4, 8, 12, 16 damage through all powers. Um and then possibly a little more because I got some empower from Lasher. Uh, I'm not including the power gem in that, so that'll be a little more damage. So, needless to say, they they could potentially one-turn a Kong. But as Jeff brought up, my issue is I can't bring Kong across the map because he has Battle Fury, which is dumb.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

So, smash is battle furious.

unknown 53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:00

So all I'm hearing is you bring me across the map, miss all your attacks, and then Kong gets two turns of playtime. Wall on the case. So that's the team.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

That's proof that Stefano wasn't listening because Kong can't be placed across the map.

SPEAKER_05 53:14

If he if, if, if, there's characters that can take away Battle Fury. What if he puts Leech next to my Kong before the move? I'm realizing in hindsight it doesn't make sense because you want him next to him. But still, I'm just saying, there's places.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

If you can get Leech next to Kong before the butterfly mind controls, then yes, he can then get you across.

SPEAKER_04 53:41

That defeats the whole purpose, though. You can realize that.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

As his team is right now, Banisher can't do anything with Leech. Because he loses the power of passenger. He loses the passenger power.

SPEAKER_04 53:52

I have two options. And if you guys are really listening and interested in this, you know, comment below what option you would go with. Um option one is keep the team pretty much the way it is. I'm throwing Obsyssa on the sideline. And the idea against a Kong specifically, or a character that has Battle Theory that I can't bring across the map, is I use my butterflies to take out their support pieces, and then I wait for Kong to come to me, and I basically have to just weather the storm. The most important character I keep alive on this team is Leech. Um, and Kong will not be able to kill Leech because Kong, at best case, will be able to attack two times. So first attack, kill Leech, I bring Leech back with Wonder Woman. Um attack number two, you kill Leech, and I bring Leech back with Obsissa. You're out of attacks now with Kong. Leech is still on the board, and then at that point, I should be able to take Kong out potentially in one turn, or at least get him really, really low. Um, so that's option number one. Personally, I'm not gonna weathering the storm. That's number one.

SPEAKER_05 55:09

Kong team mogul quake immediately after Leech is dead.

SPEAKER_04 55:15

That could be a problem, but are you gonna use you're not gonna use Mogo?

SPEAKER_05 55:20

I might.

SPEAKER_04 55:20

Other people might. That's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_05 55:22

That sounds like he's game planner on my Kong team already. You hear this, Jeff? He's that threatened that he immediately just started a gameplay.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

But it wasn't it wasn't just Kong. Sounds like you're kind of scared. Like Phoenix Thor. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

So there is also an equipment that just says characters within four have battle fury. So it's it's a good thing to come. It's not just Kong. Kong is just the easiest one to say how do I deal with Kong? Because if you can deal with Kong's Battle Fury, you can deal with all Battle Fury. With the exception of like Jeff Broughton's Kong. Jeff brought up Kong'cause Ghost Rider is gonna cause you problem.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

Ghost Rider could probably cause me more problems than Kong, I think.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Yeah, yeah, because Leech isn't gonna do Leech doesn't do squat.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

Um, but option two is I could take out Death Metal, Wonder Woman, and reverse flash, which I'm not a huge fan of. But if I do that, now I can put Prime Colossus on the team. And Prime Colossus, as you told me earlier, I totally forgot how he works. Uh but yeah, Prime Colossus just says no one could use Battle Fury. So Kong can use Battle Fury.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

You worded it wrong. Um, they just don't get protected mind control. They still have battle fury, they just don't get the protection.

SPEAKER_04 56:37

So I can still mind control them. That's the important if Colossus on the map, Kong can be mind control. And then if I can mind control him, I can bring him across the map and do all that stuff. But um I'm losing out on two really good attacks from reverse flash, and my revive now is gone with Wonder Woman.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Um does this put Kong at excuse me, does this put Colossus at full or half?

SPEAKER_04 57:05

I can play him at full.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

So if you think about it the other way, is that yes, you are losing the attacks from you're losing a revive and the attacks from Flash, but you are now gaining Colossus's mind control to mind can if you don't one turn him, you have mind you have Colossus mind control him, and you have him either walk away and take five, or you have him walk away and die. Because you're thinking if you think about it, like Colossus is adding five more damage to that.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

4, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. So that's 13 damage potentially. That's not bad. It's not as good as the other one, but it's still not bad.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

But also, think of it like this though. Are you in your math, are you mathing out Kong soft quiz?

SPEAKER_04 57:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Because if you're one above stop, it doesn't matter if you hit him for seven, it's one. But if Colossus hits him for controls him for five.

SPEAKER_04 58:00

Can I say something?

SPEAKER_02 58:02

You forgot Kong has five.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Leech. You forgot about leech.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

I did forget about leech. Yeah, so I don't care about stop quick. You should still care about stopquick.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

Calder reminded me how good a leech.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

He's free. Did Leech really mess you up in your game? Yes. Okay. Uh I only ask because he didn't become that big of a factor in our game.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

Maybe not. Maybe I'm just giving flowers to Calder just cuz.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Um I take it back to the game. He's not gonna let you on his podcast.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

He's not gonna win.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

He's not gonna let you on the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 58:47

He might. I've already been on the podcast. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_05 58:49

No, you know, we should just we could solve this whole issue, just bring back Agatha. That now you can get a leech, like a leech.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

I'll be okay with that. That kind of sounds like the um the baby will be cut in two, and you both get half of it. That's just you're making a bad situation worse.

unknown 59:09

With Agatha.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

Yeah. Um, I think it'll be good for the game.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

It'll be like uh Beetlejuice. They tried having Agatha allowed in silver. She was quickly banned. Well, not quick, no, she was not quick enough, yeah. Quickly enough banned.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Not quickly enough.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Alright. Sorry, did you have anything else with your hooking release?

SPEAKER_04 59:35

No, I I said butterfly, Stefano says uh Kong. What about you? Do you have uh any recent over that will affect your team build?

SPEAKER_02 59:45

Um there was some minor thing that just got banned. I don't know. We'll see if it has that much effect. Um just comparing it to my states team, and I'm not gonna go into as detail as much detail of you because I'm looking at several stuff. Um just looking at my stealth my states team, I lose spot, I have to choose between Halt Munes, Animal Man, and Porter. Um and if I lose Super Rare Spot, I might as well drop rare spot. So I do have like 115 points to play with. Um I'm still I am tentatively playing with it, looking at eternity, sticking with the swap option to bring in Rhino so everyone has charge. Um but I learned the hard way against Anthony Barrigan, you gotta have three swap options because Chase Panther or Cher Panther does exist. Um yeah, and um playing Iron Spider, well, Sinestro, or excuse me, Eternity is already a wild card, so sorry, thinking out loud now. Uh other teams I'm looking at is some sort of just fill the map team with multiple men, butterflies, and bear and strucker. Um if the butterfly I choose has the Hydra keyword that gives all the butterflies the Mystics TA, so you can attack my butterfly. If you do, you'll take a penetrating and I'll generate a buttload more characters. I think Stefano fell asleep.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

Uh not fall asleep, I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Looks like you fell asleep. Um but yeah, and the other I'm also semi-playing with the your hook and release strategy, except I'm also trying to build in a counter to it. Uh it mostly involves Primus or making or water terrain. Um But yeah, that's I I like the idea of the 10 multiple men Baron Strucker Butterfly option because there is a it's even more fun because there is a multiple man who would be really good because he has an 11 attack and gets to roll three dice for his attack. So mind control three d6s and then maybe uh but at that point I can't do the hook and release, but I get the TAs, so I don't know. The not being able to just go play my rather successful states team kind of threw me for a loop. But we'll see what happens. And the Venom set did not add nearly as much Cindus Syndicate as I expected.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:22

But maybe Venom?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

There's there is plenty, there is Cinder Syndicate in it. Uh I would hope so. It's basically a Spider-Man set. Yeah, so there's like there's Venom, there's the Mac Gargan, uh the Scorpion, and the Super Rare, the Super Rare Prime Venom, which I believe we have a question about later, pork grind, which I don't want on my team, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

I like Pork Grind. Yeah, I love that character. He's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

I don't know. But at the same time, like maybe if I can give him charge with Rhino. But I don't know. But he's modern points currently. Um yeah, I don't know. It didn't do Iris, I don't know anything about he's not that great. The interesting thing would be the Matt Gargan that when he dies he becomes Spider-Man or something else. But that just then takes up yet another sideline spot, and when you're playing swap, your sideline is already kind of cramped. Right. But anyway, that's enough of that. I talk synthesis, I talk synthesis again, and we have a lot to talk about. Uh Stefano, are you just sticking with Kong?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:39

Yeah, I am. I like me, uh I like Mia Kong.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

Alright, well Bale has a follow-up question. Um this should be a uh pretty easy one for us. Uh what format do you guys like more? Silver or modern?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

Kong.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:58

Say Kong?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

Kong. The Kong format. So silver.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:03

The one that allows me to play No, not even Silver, man. The one that allows me to play just four Kongs at once. That was my favorite format. Oh, so no format?

unknown 1:04:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:12

Because there's current there is currently. It used to be modern. It used to be modern. Between the two formats, that's right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:17

Do you like silver better or do you like modern better?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:20

Um, I think silver. Alright. Just because it's I feel like it it's I mean, it's a lot more chaotic, but at the same time, it feels more balanced and modern.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:30

Yeah, I can answer for Jeff. Uh, the format that doesn't allow Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

I think Jeff likes pulp. That wasn't an option. Okay. So box time. You guys, we've been playing, we played pulp several times. We we were playing we played pulp before WizKit started making it before giving it like actual support. I've been playing Scout and bystanders the whole time. I can make it to any CCO official thing. And what the entire what's everything winning with? Morloon, Bloodstorm, no, I'm doing it first! And now if I go do something with it, it'll just look like, oh, another pog team. Next. Like, no! I I did it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:13

Now that gore exists, it's useless. Don't even do it. Don't waste it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

It's not useless. It just means that I have to devote. I I would still think people are gonna play gore that much. I think gore, what this is what's gonna happen, honestly, is that we're gonna see a lot of gore, and people are gonna expect a lot of gore, so there's gonna be no bystanders. And all the gore people are gonna be like, I'm wasting my time with this gore, no one's playing bystanders, so I'm gonna drop gore, and then people are gonna realize, oh, no one's playing gore. I gotta bring my bystanders back, and it's just gonna be this fluctuation. But no, you just have to devote like my silver pole team, I had a hundred points devoted to just increasing bystander stats. So now I'm just going to take some away from that and focus on killing gore. I just need a you just need an attacker who can kill gore. I mean and I obviously I haven't looked too much at him, but yes, I understand that gore is a problem.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

So in conclusion, your answer is silver.

unknown 1:06:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

Technically speaking, my answer to the silver or modern question, it's it's silver. Um modern just doesn't seem fun to build with. I keep looking at apocalypse stuff. Most of eternity. Um I don't know why. It just I like the idea, and I I keep I I keep going back to eternity, but having all keywords means you always have somebody for the planets to proxy off of. Like it doesn't matter. Oh, I didn't I missed my willpower. What am I gonna do? Well you have eternity, you need a green lantern, or apocalypse, you can always generate the bystanders, and the parademons can jump in front of apocalypse and save them. There was a team, was it CCO or Adepticon, that played. It was technically unthemed, but it was all apocalypse except for Prime Strucker. And all his strategy was you have a po you have Eternity out there, you try to attack him, a Parademon jumps in front, takes the hit, Strucker brings out two more parademons. Strucker brings out two more goons that now and so it's just this continuous- it bleeds points, yeah, but you have a she you have a infinite shield for um No, he doesn't bring out two more goons, he brings out another goon, I'm thinking you said that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

But uh you just have effectively an infinite shield for eternity.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

But yeah, I think it's cool that they gave Eternity all keywords, because I think it's really fitting for the character, because he's literally everything. So the fact that like you could just play like eternity and then all four of the planets just straight up like with him. I mean, I don't know, that's just my my headcanon of it, but like I'm okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

That makes sense. Um and the four planets straight up. Um I I like Silver better than modern, too. I think modern is fun, it has its place, but um, like I said before on this, um Silver is the ultimate rock, paper, scissors for hero quicks. Like there's not one strategy, one team, one meta piece that's just gonna win you every game guaranteed. Everything has something that's gonna beat it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:20

That's kind of like what we were talking about earlier, or your messaging earlier when I asked about what do you do against Kong, your response was like, you know, when you're talking about what do you do about this, what about this, but there's eventually times where you're just like, I lose. And that's fine. In modern, it's do you are you gonna play A, B, and A, B, or C? Like, well, modern Italy is rock, paper, scissors, silver is rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock, and then a thousand other combinations. And if you just happen to run into the two things, like, oh well, I lose. It's yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

So there you go, that answers that question. Um, I feel bad because we have another question that's kind of similar to Violet's first question, but we'll still ask it anyways. Um this is from Aiden. And Aiden asks, what piece or pieces do you like to build around in silver? His favorite is camo. Surprise, surprise.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

Good choice.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:22

Camo's fun, a fun shark. Fun fish. Uh Andre, if you want to take that first.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

Uh sure. It I'm still looking at Sanders Syndicate, obviously. Um now I need to figure out ways to beat Anthony's stupid hook and release strategy. Um I honestly, alright, this might be a tangent, but this made me think of it. I contemplated adding the gray ghost from Batman the Animated series as my butterfly option. Because he says once a bystander of a name is on the map, no more bystanders of that name can be generated. So if I'm first and he's my butterfly, I generate a butterfly, no more butterflies. You don't even get to generate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

Well, you can't generate any more either.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:08

Correct. But that also means that until you kill Grey Ghost, um, you will never get butterflies. Because it's a beginning of the turn trigger. So you come in and kill my butterfly, alright, beginning the game, generate beginning your turn, generate butterfly, you're stuck. Is it worth devoting 60 points to shut down shut it down?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:28

My team typically, probably not.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Well, that's all like that's what I was saying. Like when you send me a team, I do sit down and go, all right, how can I 100% counter this? And then I take the part that's the works the most in a strategy I want and figure it out from there. Because I could probably build a team that 100% stops your hook and release team and you lose every time. I will lose against everything. I will lose to Kong, I will lose to everything else, but I showed you.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:00

Oh yeah. Alright, so but for you, Sinister Syndicate's still kind of what you're planning on building around?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

I do keep coming back to Eternity, who technically is Sinister Syndicate.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

Oh my god. So Eternity, I feel like there's a lot of fun, fun stuff. I mean, you were mentioning the planets. Is there any reason why you can't just straight up run every planet with like just have a one-man army basically of eternity and then just all the planets?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

Um, in silver? Because Did you not hear me say that earlier?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:35

I did not hear you say that earlier. My bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

I literally said you could just play eternity with my bad players. I didn't hear you. In silver. So the four plant there are four planets now. They're 40 points apiece. So that's what, 160 points?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:51

Oh, I see the problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

You're 10 points too many to throw on eternity at its lowest point, which is 50.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:57

Yeah, you'd choose.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

You have to choose. I well, I mean, if you want to play eternity higher, that's 125, so you can play one planet. Because it's five points too many for one point. Um no, don't mean wrong, I looked into it. I looked into it for modern at least. I did add make a team, just like so beginning of the game, four planets go off the map, and eternity then just dies.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:23

We'll we'll do we'll do an event for you. 500 modern?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:27

Yeah, because if eternity just dies at that 50 point, don't you just shoot up lose?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

Yes, because then the planets no longer have any characters to proc off of. I was like, yeah, that's that's maybe not the best, but it would be cool. I guess technically speaking. Hold on. So Apocalypse generates bystanders. Those bystanders are gener Oh no, wait, they're are they gen they are generated by apocalypse.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:52

Meaning there are still so technically speaking you can still trigger Apocalypse and maybe Clintar. The ultraviolet, uh Umbrax is done. Because you're never because you're never taking damage. This is in the theory that you only have bystanders left. So you might just take him off. Apocalypse could potentially still act through the bystanders. So could Mogo if they have willpower. If they have willpower, I don't know. I haven't actually looked at only a hand that technology to look at. Yeah, I don't know if they have and then I don't 100% know what triggers Clintar.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:35

I think it's just characters with the symbiote.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:39

Well, they all have they all have a keyword and other effects trigger.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:47

Um, they just he Clintar just acts through them. That's right. Uh yeah, I believe it says water. And Clintar also has power generate a Clintar symbiote and a symbiote surface. So Clint if so you just want to build up some support in case Eternity dies. Why are we talking about this? This is a bad team. We're not doing this. It's a waste of time.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

Alright. But Eternity.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

Eternity is the piece that I keep going back to. For stuff like the um blocking placement with Primus. Yeah, Primus. Because it's within four squares of a brute, because Eternity's a two by two, that you effectively get an extra square, you get a bigger cer uh bigger area of effect without being able to be placed. Um so yeah, long story short, eternity, because he just he literally fits on all teams.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

Alright. What about you, Stephano?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:51

What do you think my answer is? Yeah, it's Kong.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:56

Yeah, Kong is a pretty big monkey goal smash.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:59

Kong's a pretty good answer, yeah. I mean, Kong for me has always just been like a safety, a safety net, basically, just fall back on. He's just an easy, fun piece to use. Um, I've always liked one-man armies, but unfortunately the problem with them is they're somewhat squishy at some times. So um I feel like Kong was not that case, not that like, you know, for the case, um, with the stop clicks and just being harder to hit. Um but another good option I've been really liking recently is reverse flash, just like main force. I think he's a pretty solid fun piece to play.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

That's the other reason I keep going back to Eternity, is because he's a speedster, black flash, bloodstone, increase all damage. That's part of it why as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:44

Yeah. Yeah, that's probably my answer to one of those two.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

Kong River Flash, okay. Yeah. Um, for me, like I said already, Butterfly is definitely a piece I'm gonna be going to a lot. Um I had a lot of fun doing my pulse wave team. So going back to Hadara Yao, um, thankfully, Hidara Yao was has not been affected by anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

Your silver team was affected the least.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:12

Wait, no, what was your whole silver team?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:15

Your state's team wasn't all that hurt. Sacky's restricted.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:19

Oh, mine? Yeah, no. Saki, Sky Tyrant, the TK Ring, my hopes and dreams. Your SOL. His team is done. Yeah, they like every rendition of the team that I make, they're like, yeah, let me just see what you play. Yeah, half of it, gone. Did you piss someone off at Wiz Kids? I might have the last team might be with Elsa. Maybe you should play Kong and all that stuff with it too. Like that was a good thing. That last team that I did was a like a Hardarial Elsa Bloodstone per Degaton rendition team, where it was just like it was just a crazy, a crazy combo. Now half of those pieces are banned and blocked away forever and never see the light of day again. They keep doing it every time with my team. But I don't win, so I don't know what's going on. Yeah. They're they're targeting me for something.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:12

My team is relatively unaffected. I mean, it kind of countered, because I have Aries and Sky Tyrant on the team. Ares was my restricted piece, but now he's not restricted. And Sky Tyrant was not restricted, and now he is restricted, so they just kind of swap.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:30

You you had all you have mutants as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:32

Yeah, I had Hall of Mutants, so that's just that's really the only thing that just goes away now. So I take away Hall Mutants, now I got five points for maybe another one shot or something, or I don't know. I can figure that out, but I think that's really the only thing that changes on that uh pulse wave team. So yeah, either Hadaria or buy it for me. Um, you guys got anything else to add? Or uh our next question is from Andy.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:09

You can skip this one. You can skip this one.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:11

Yeah, that's what I was looking to. I I don't honestly don't have a good answer for this one, but his question is Is there a piece you have a losing streak against?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:24

Any piece valet plays. Alright, so haven't beat him in years, man. His cheat dies. Yeah, Rack Knight, Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

Um does my specifically for me. Does my own Pegasus cat betraying me count?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

Okay, then give me a minute.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:45

Alright, so we'll let Stefano go because I think he's got one locked and loaded. Yeah, for me, it's definitely Ghost Rider. I don't know what it is about that Ghost Rider, but I just can't. I don't think I've actually ever beat that Ghost Rider before. Like, I don't know if it's maybe just like no, I don't yeah, I don't know if it's just like a mental thing where I just don't don't attack him, or I just don't seem like it's worth doing anything regarding him, or um that they just protect Ghost Rider very well. But that piece specifically, no, I've just I've I have a constant losing streak against. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

This is gonna sound cocky, but I I can't think of something, and I think that's mostly because we Yeah, I just always win. Well, we just no, no. We we mix up games so much that we don't often give people the chance to play the same thing over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:46

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:47

I'm sure if you looked at like all my if you could somehow find all the statistics from all my game, there is like, oh yeah, you've never been all my I heard all my too. You heard all my I heard all my I said all my, but I understand where you're coming from. I I guess technically it might be like Phoenix Thor. Because I don't I don't I I don't haven't played against him a lot, but I haven't beat him. I should have against you because I had the Bloodstone, but that's besides the point. I need to I need I need to know my own team. Um there's no like boogeyman if I face, I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna lose. You're playing X, I'm gonna lose. Um boy because if you're going with that mindset, you've already lost. Um yeah, I don't know. Like I wanna say, like for game if you'll look back at games that I have dwelled on the most, it's definitely my two states losses. Um maybe I guess camo and MoE swap. I guess. But pretty much those are good answers. Um But yeah, I guess I've never I haven't been in a consistent meta to have a boogeyman. And this is where Anthony goes, like, well, mine's this. I think he just has an answer, and I found I sound stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:13

No, I I don't that's what I was saying, like I don't really have a good answer. Um your answer is Anthony. I guess like you said, like we don't we don't really play enough where we're always using like a same character every time. If I really, really had to think about it, I I don't think you guys would ever guess this one, but um, I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna say Sandman. He's been a thorn in my side, I feel like recently. Um yeah, and every time I've gone up against a Sinister Syndicate team with Sandman, um, I haven't just lost, I was destroyed. Like when I played against Jeff um and his sinister syndicate team, he mollywapped me. Um and then when I played, I'm so sorry, I forgot your name if you're listening, but the guy at Worlds who I played.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:08

He's not listening, right? He doesn't even know he was listening to this.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:10

But the the guy from Worlds who beat me with his Sinister Syndicate team, he like once again, it was not even like, oh, that was a closed game. No, he one-turned my prime colossus and just wrecked my team. So um it's only been two times, but they they both stuck with me and they were both really bad beat down.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:32

So I technically beat you a third time, but uh technically speaking, we played twice one night.

unknown 1:22:37

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:37

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

We played twice because I we won, I won fast, then we realized we played it wrong, so we did it again.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

You still beat me.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

And I still won, but it went to time, I think. Did it go to time? Yeah. Oh no. But you were just you just threw a prime destroyer down. You did prime destroyer Loki and was just like, sure, let's see what happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:57

But I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:59

Again, I sound like a dude. Alright. Yeah, Jeff's like, I've never lost. I don't lose. There's no there's no proof of me losing. Subscribe to our YouTube channel and look.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:10

Yeah. Multiple videos.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

Only like two.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:16

That's fine that I know of.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

I've only lost two camera twice.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:21

Um we'll go on to our next one. Uh McConnell Lamar, another uh shout out to him. He's always commenting on our post. I really appreciate that. Uh McConnell Lamar says, hey guys, if you could remove one element from the ban list, what would it be? And how would you change it to make it less of a problem?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:48

I can't remember what the full ban list is. Oh, her Degaton is an easy one. How about just don't ban him? Don't ban him? How about yeah, that's my change. He's perfect. He's exactly how I want him to be. I think playing against him is a little annoying when he can when you can move like the character, a spot, like in wherever, like that whole beginning of turn, I choose this character, now you're over here, kind of thing. But that's just more of a personal thing because like I like setting up my pieces in a specific way. And when someone goes and that's a they're like, that's a nice setup. Now you're over here. I'd be like, what?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:29

Um that's a nice setup you got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to him.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:33

Yeah, I mean, other than that, I feel like Perdegaton was a very like he was a well-balanced character. Like he was like Captain America in the sense of like, yeah, he could do a couple crazy things, but at the same time, he's easy to kill. And he's only 20 points, so. Well, 20, 40, 60, depending on how you play him, but.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:54

Okay, another tangent time. Um, the most surprising thing I've ever seen Wes do. Last time I played Wes, I was it was Cinder's the Syndicate versus Plants, and he had uh Protegaton, and I'm like, alright, well, I'll hit Protegaton. Alright, roll. Alright, that hits for three, and he goes, Okay, next dial. And they go, wait, what? Yeah, he's 40.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:14

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:16

I was literally taking it back. Like, hold on. No, Protegaton is 20 points. You know. And of course it was West, yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:24

Yeah.

unknown 1:25:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:26

I feel like that's an easy go-to to me since I can't necessarily remember the full ban list at the moment, but I feel like Pro Degaton being banned in every format is not only excessive, but it's kind of dumb. Because he's like, I don't know. He's not he's not that crazy of a character. The full band, like, all over. No, I don't think so, Jeff. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:52

Um just jump in because my answer is probably very apparent. It's spot um easy fixes could be can't have his combat values modified if he's attacking through the marker. Or uh maybe take away the free flurry. Or like if he's used free flurry, he can't cost it, or something like that. Um yeah, I think kinda I I think maybe just saying printed combat values might be a start with spot. But or or change nothing and make his marker interactable with. Like spot should always be able to have a marker on the map. But if you change it so his marker could be destroyed, and he has to use his reaction to then regenerate it, and then he So like because the way he's worded now is you can either move it or place a terrain. So if you add on to that or generate the marker, then he can't replace it somewhere else. So maybe I do agree. I don't know. I'm sure there's there's ways to move it, but if you've ever heard Calder talk about the spot, he is 100% right that that card is a novel. There is a ton of words. And the word the spot, the spots marker, the spot spot marker is said a lot, so it kind of gets hard to read. So adding on another errata to that would be difficult, but yeah, it's the spot. I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:34

The hero click's version.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:38

I do agree though, that would be like that that would make the piece a lot more balanced if you could destroy the marker. Or at least like interact with the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:48

Definitely needs to be able to attack through it, and he needs to be able to move with it. Um, if you erata or maybe a rata it so that it when a care when a instead of saying a character name the spot say a care a when a friendly svc not svc um sv zero whatever spot moves like make the marker specifically only to be able to interact with him and not also interact with the rare spot so there's ways i but obviously they chose to from hearing Aaron Morgan on other podcasts it's whiz kids is hesitant to do erratas for the sake of silver i i feel like we really shouldn't be doing erratus i think those are I think I well I think spirit of the game erratus something like they had to go back and errata all the Mighty Thor um colossal retaliations but just to update the wording so they work with how the effects should work now so that stuff like that makes sense um but at the same time like there there are ways.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

I'm saying like what they did to like the Wheels of Vengeance Blackheart for example like you just changed the way that whole character plays like it wasn't an allowance banned the character at that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:21

They effectively did ban the character I still kind of looked at him for pulp just because I needed a taxi but at he's he you have to share a keyword with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:34

So like he's too limiting to just be a taxi and he's not yeah they overdid it yeah they they murdered my boy there so oh man um I tried you what would you yeah what would you change uh so I let me start off by saying it's all pissy when we don't try to encourage I know right all right relax guys um no I I think the banalist honestly I I really wouldn't change anything about the banalist gun to my head if I had to there's there's three things I could see like I could justify coming off um two of them are pretty much the same so I'll just say them um Agatha and Scarlet Witch I feel like they're not as broken and meta as they were um I feel like a lot of people have figured out how to get around them I think if you had to like change something about them I mean honestly I'd maybe just say leave them how they are throw them on the restricted my my issue with Switch and Agatha is they slow the game down too much because when was the last time you played them that didn't require two or three people being like wait so if I charge in can I still flurry if I hypersonic in can I do it their power while like if everyone had a perfect understanding of the game is fine but the problem is this game is so convoluted that it doesn't make sense that it's it's hard sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

Because like the other the other day we played an event and somebody in our playgroup was playing Scarlet Witch. She was allowed for the event because it was already restricted enough and I just want I just every turn was just like please don't drop the hex because I I don't want I can't imagine it to you I can't imagine what you would do if all of a sudden you dropped the hex. And also this is somebody who's famous for never leaving his starting area like he run his his go-to strategy is turn one run away and like you haven't scored points yet that's not a good strategy but I could I I was like if you drop the hex you win because I'm conceiving I didn't obviously say that but like so that's that I think is why above and beyond Scarlet Witch and Agatha will not come off the band.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:16

And if if that's the reason then I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

It's not the reason but it's definitely a factor. It's gotta be a factor.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:25

I'm not mad that they're on the band list. I think it's fine. If I had to choose another one really quick I'd say all black the necrosword I feel like it's not that unban that beat all right I it because it works with knockback too it doesn't it's never coming up.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:41

Alright I guess that's the other half of the question. Change it fix it.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:44

Yeah so that that's how you fix it. The part where it says and can't reduce damage below one I would say just give them precision strike. This character has giant reach precision strike and when this character makes a close attack opposing characters can use shape change or supersensus. Now it's not that broken. Now it's just a better version of the God killer sword because you got the giant reach and uh you get through shape change. And it's five points more than the god killer sword too so there's your justification.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:20

I concur.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:22

Bring that piece back that thing I think the biggest thing people were upset about is like alright I'm gonna throw this all black the necro sword on you know world's finest world's finest.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:34

That was a big one or prime spidey yeah I think prime spidey came in hit four times and knocked you against the wall off all four attacks and you had to take four extra damage and you couldn't reduce even if you had something like toughness.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:48

So I I think if you've changed or you know changed that part so now it's precision strike where you still can't reduce below one for the attack but you know the knockback you would still be able to reduce I I think that fixes it to a point where now it's viable it's still a fun piece to use and you could even update it so now uh you may throw on some qualifying keywords in there for all of the um new pieces that just came out that are like the God butcher pieces I I think that yeah that would be the one thing that I'd want to bring back it's a good it's a good thing to bring back I think guys I do like me the Necrosword um you guys got anything else to add or you want to move we got three more questions let's just I'm I'm okay moving on we're good all right um I'll I'll save this one for you for later then Jeff this is more for you than anything else actually no I'm gonna ask you now are you ready Jeff this is from your good friend Andrew Parker Hey Andrew all right I know what question this is I was thinking about this one his question is what are the best sideline options for a prime vet um so I'll take listening to if you said it was free I know you guys stole his you guys steal his teams might as well why don't you go ahead and steal his question while you're at it one team one team once it's only funny because like the week before that he messaged me and said what do you think of this team?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:37

And it was that and I it's probably great it looks fine to me. And then two like two days later you're like I saw this team at an event I think we want to play like hey that's Andrew's that's my buddies. Yeah we played together in Utah shout out Andrew um so uh like I saw that we got this question the day I listened to Dial H's um set review and there are a lot of figures in the Venom set that end on like their last click is like flurry battle fury so like any like that's that's where to start just you know what what where do they end well um pork grind is not a bad option even though I hate I don't know I have a thing with pork grind I don't know why I can't I don't like him. Let's see who else um someone in our play group brought up Mysterio you generate Mysterio and then he can bring in more goons and you're just poisoning in their faces and while Mysterio isn't scored the goons would be um something I thought could be fun is the goblin army goon and for some reason my screen is giving me a hard time I can't pull them up but so the goblin army goon is you know when they're KO'd you roll a d6 um you either bring another goon back or have another effect the goblin army when he's KO'd he lets you uh place a Sinister Syndicate team ability character with sinister syndicate team ability in his square so what you could potentially do is you can manuf if if you want to try to trigger it on your team you can KO uh a construct and now you pop out Goon across the map you have them punch like a Mystic's piece and now now Sandman is in their face if that's the way you want to go um that's something I like and then like and that's also triggering off more goon you know he dies you can either bring back you can just if you roll the goon you can just bring him right back or you can replace him it's Venom like my biggest concern with Venom and it makes him balanced is that it has to come from the sideline. That's why it's really difficult for me to build with it right now because like it's like I don't think he's as good as like Iron Spider for Silver and I think your options in modern are very limited. There's also nothing stopping you know there is this figure who you know he has all keywords and if you pop him off the mat. Bro stop rolling your eyes Scott Porter because think about this is how you know about eternity this is like well eternity doesn't have all keywords in the city well he wasn't but now that you brought him up no no I really wasn't gonna you can't I don't think you can bring in eternity because it has to he has to like when he starts the game is when he gets some or Savish thing thinking. I don't know but Scott Porter says he has all keywords always um so technically speaking you know in silver you generate Scott Porter it against an opposant and then just pulse wave it's kind of it might be a way it might be a waste of your your restricted piece but if you can trigger it like turn two the other thing I was looking at is you it it focusing less on the what you actually generate but more like these are characters that are just gonna die. They're on the last click it's adjacent to an opposing character that probably is going to die. So pack a couple retals you know throw dark phoenix and tri-sentinel and you know oh no my my guy's on his last click adjacent to you what will you do? Well I'm gonna kill it. Cool. Tri-Sentinel retal and now I'm pulse waving in your physically you can actually Dark Phoenix and Tri-Sentinel in the same team yes uh yes keeping having it be unfameed at that point but having Tri-Sentinel and Dark Phoenix or your favorite retaliation piece in the background so that way they're like yeah I'm generating somebody in your start in your next you can kill them in which case I'm coming for you next turn or you can let them attack you back what are you gonna do? And then of course you know you KO a construct you bring out somebody they die and that just triggers Venom again I can't I off top of my head I can't think of any way to replenish replenish your sideline. Sideline yeah um but that's also alright that this is a dumb idea but I gotta get out of my head um you play there is the chase photon from Avengers Infinity who has place uh opposing bystander adjacent so you suck over a bystander you can play Groot which gives your opponent a bystander because now you and so you use her to suck to bring the by the Leslie over and then you trigger your Scorpion however you want to do it probably with Doc Awk and just walking away from his arms and now you have a spot to generate four characters in your side of the field as opposed to your opponent's it's a dumb idea photon's like 90 points roots 20 so there's a fourth of your build just with that and then throw on the 50 points for Scorpion it's not a good idea but it's an idea that I had thought and I had to get at actually seems like it works yeah yeah I don't know if it works I'm probably never trying to try it yet I said it so confidently I believe you well so the rephrase the steps of my I play group I you get a bystand group generates a bystander friendly to you I play photon photon free brings it over I kill my arms I generate adjacent to an opposing character the bystander is opposing four characters kill the bystander maybe play some support at that point you're even you could even use your restricted use unit as um the herb and just heal up everybody there's another there's a one by two that heals too right the heart shaped bush that's a power action no it's still just one but yeah you gotta it's a power action it's it's still just one at that point you're better off playing the herb alright so here's what here's what you also do you throw on the Miles Morales that no wait that doesn't work is there a way to support multiple characters at once there's gotta be a character that's like also heal it's Scott Porter hold on there you go Scott Porter can heal when Scott Porter regens he heals the people adjacent to him. Alright so here's so alright so I'm back I'm back. Cooking again alright you one of your four characters you bring in off the sideline is Scott Porter you kill the bystander he like sidesteps and power actions regens he heals and heals up everyone adjacent to him as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:15

Yeah I mean it's only one click though but yeah that works.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:20

Isn't it only one click? It's not just also regenning it's not also just I could be wrong but I think he just heals every one one I'm not gonna lie I've never used that power because with my experience like all right you've hit Scott Porter to a stop click.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:35

Alright on my next action I'm killing Scott Porter so I don't know that I dang it now I'm gonna destroy this team stop regeneration when he uses it heal each adjacent friendly character one point.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:53

And there is there any sort of just blanket heal everybody I want I need like a burst of heal.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:05

I'm sure there is a character that says something similar to that just like heal everyone adjacent to you a certain amount of clicks or um I think White Lantern Superman gives everyone regen if he dies or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:18

And they can use it as free I think so kill him off purposely bring him back with death metal whatever the first time Superman would be KO'd instead turn to click seven if you do until the end of your next turn friendly characters can use regeneration as free even if this effect is lost protected full sway somehow at this point at this point I would have rather just paid for the four characters I'm bringing up the side button because Scorpion's 50 Superman brings it up to 100 photon's 90 Groot is 20 so you might as well just go in a good support piece and then just at that point you know what I would play on to heal you play Indigo 1 who gives all bystanders support and then you find okay alright alright I'm back I'm back uh I left okay you play also Mary Jane and Indigo 1 who gives Mary Indigo 1 gives Mary Jane's bystander support they're autonomous so it doesn't count against your action total I'm hearing at this point is that it's getting complicated and you could just play a 300 point Kong should should I should you just play the four characters you're bringing off the sideline?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:38

Maybe shut up I don't know I mean the fact that you can spend 50 points on Venom to then bring in one of these guys and then you can heal them up to I mean there's nothing stopping from healing them up all the way right yeah you there is nothing stop there is no like there is yeah there is no uh that alone is worth it I mean you find a what I what what's a good like what what's like the strongest piece out there that has sinister syndicate that you can bring in I want to hold him up but he's he doesn't count um don't hold him up because he wouldn't work anyway I don't know the the chases from rhino chases from um the Smash and destroy rhino good so you got agent antiven in the heavy hitter oh this is monster hold on it asked me Sinister Syndicate though right you have to bring in Sinister Syndicate yeah I'd say the chases um from the Spider-Man thing spider verse chases are might be your best bet um it's an interesting way to bring in MOE swap if you bring in Ghost Goblin and then use him to swap into somebody else I think at that point it does make your MOE scorable but I don't know but there's also like the utilit there's the utility pieces like Chameleon who gives everyone with Cinder Syndicate wild card or rhino who gives an I'll charge a kingpin that says you don't have to be adjacent to use the effect to use the Cinder Syndicate TA um there is also a not I don't know why you would do it yeah the that's the MoE connection I don't know why you would do it but maybe on the retal option you play Doc who generates the four arms and then you use Green Goblin to swap him out and so you just get four characters adjacent to your opponent's turn one be dumb because if you're first they have first turn immunity so you can't hurt him anyway and if they're first they just kill them in which case tri your retool maybe but you okay therefano yeah you look like you're falling asleep a little bit but it's okay falling asleep Stefano gets a job and all of a sudden he can't stay up late. It's only 11 it's only like 11 o'clock we we got two more two more years. Just cut cut that part if you want to keep talking to Venom you can message me or ask again later and see how it works. I'm I Venom has one of the is one of those things that's a lot of possibilities we will just have to wait and see what people do. I do also apologize for saying most of that that entire team was silver I don't I don't know what you do with him in modern uh I guess technically you can you pair him with Mysterio when the goons die you get to generate I guess that's one okay last thing I'll say is I what's that I yeah go on I'm agree with what you're you can technically you could use Mysterio generate Mysterio generates his goons then if they kill those goons you can roll for the goon but then also pull out like a spider bot from the sideline and now you have the Spiderbot goon adjacent to the opposing character with poison and so and just and Spiderbot's probably the most dangerous goon because it's like you kill him if I get another one I'm just bringing back Spiderbot or if he dies you take a pen. Which if Sandman's still alive it doesn't matter you can't reduce it regardless. So that's not a bad option the the limiting thing is just that the sidelines sideline space is so precious nowadays. Yeah you're really only bringing in maybe one or two characters. It might not, it probably is worth it to. If you can control when the character comes in, you're good. Because like, is it a May? Is Venom a May? It's gotta be. When a friend of the character with this interesting hood is KO'd after resolutions to generate a send- Oh no, it's not optional.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:27

Huh. I mean if you don't have anyone on your sideline.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:30

Right, but that does mean that like alright I'm gonna kill this Mysterio goon. Well I don't want to bring in the Spider Bot yet well you have to you have someone on your sideline you have to interest I wonder could this be a way to cheat on more equipment and silver? Because characters like Red Goblin say they start the game with X equipment equipped does that mean you could like play Red Goblin, swap him out, KO something gets KO'd, you bring him back, does he start with the symbiote again? Because that's kind of how it was ruled with Iron Spider with the Waldo arms, every time he came in and out of the game, you got a new set of Waldo Arms What? Yeah so if you swap a character out he drops it so he drops like you swap him out he drops his equipment you bring him back in he starts the game equipped with the waldo arms you get a second equipment it's it'd technically be the same with any one of those the people that say like starts the game with that's kind of fixed nowadays with the associated keywords and whatnot. So it's still pretty cool give the entire team wall to arms eventually just with the amount of swaps. Because technically speaking you can swap them out with Avengers and swap them back in with Sinatra Syndicate so you can get a second pair. I think he's Avengers yeah no he's totally Avengers oh wait but is he is that one Sin anyway that's another tangent for another probably never day. Yeah Venom is full of possibilities and yes I am building I'm gonna build that stupid team just to get it out of my head so there you go Andrew uh Jeff has sideline options for you um we will do Eric Scove's question next um this one's a pretty uh simple one too so he says with the super girl movie that's coming out what would you want to see in a new click to represent her and do you think we will see her in fight for Gotham yes because DC and WizKids refuses to make a DC set without the big blue boy scout yeah we're talking about super girl though not superman I know but at the same time supergirl is going to be the next thing in the zeitgeist so probably I don't think you don't think she'll be in Piper Goblin?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:09

I don't think so she unfortunately she's one of those characters that um I feel like just doesn't get a ton of love. I mean and they just added her in she was just in Masters of Time and uh we have the iconics not that long ago so I don't I don't see her being in this set I hope I'm wrong I like supergirl a lot that'd be cool to see her in it but I I just don't see it we have what like three supergirls all time I guess Zala Jarel too so four yeah and I was gonna say it'd be kind of cool to get uh a new logo piece but we literally just got one in Lantern Legacy we got two yeah yeah we got two um which I was surprised he was even in that set but it's always welcome I did I have wanted a new logo for a while scored with prime logo Eternity's movie um he has a wild card so eternity gets all the let me answer Eric's question here um first off let me say I am super excited for the super girl movie super excited for the super grill anyways um I just saw uh a trailer for it again like the new trailer for it again today and like Jason Momoa being in there as Lobo as per casting uh it looks like they're gonna lean really heavily into her relationship with crypto and I love that I love crypto um so if I had to make a super girl hero click uh Stefano and I a while back were talking about um like if we had one worlds what click we would make and I was talking about a superman hero click of course but um that idea that I have for the Superman hero click I feel like would work awesome with Supergirl um so based on the movie maybe making her like a duo piece with crypto would be really freaking cool I think so like the sculpt could be her you know flying crypto flying kind of right underneath her.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:23

So Atrocitous and Dexter. Yeah like that sounded more condescending than I mean it's it like it's it's Atrocitous and Dexter generated as a deck star bystander at the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:34

Yeah so it it could be um yeah I like that a lot actually it could be something like that where you can choose to generate the crypto bystander and then it has you know its own little effects or you could even have it set up like kind of like Hawkeye and Hawkeye where they're able if you don't like generate the bystander you could do like a double attack kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:59

I would say more like plus one stats. Because the double attack makes sense because Hawkeye and Hawkeye is literally like two people crypto is kind of more I don't understand crypto is people crypto are two people crypto is more chaotic and not going not as like you go left I'll go right crypto's more like I'm gonna do what I want and you're gonna suck it up. At least the crypto that they're yeah at least the crypto they're portraying in the James that's a good point he kind of does his own his own little thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:31

I think we kind of talked to some something similar about that right with um I think another thing we brought up was crypto kind of working similar to how um the Captain Marvel chase worked from Smash and destroy where like maybe crypto could be like almost like a stop click for her or like just like at some point like a power action or one point during the game um crypto like can come in just anywhere on the map like adjacent to her. Maybe like adjacent to her just in a specific square like coming down like a meteor and just kind of like crash into one like a square and then do like a quake attack like coming into the game like from outer space or something. Maybe like her calling them in. Yeah yeah like her calling calling in crypto yeah I think that'd be really cool we'll see your move with kids make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:24

No go win worlds I'm not gonna I'm not that good I wish not with that attitude you're not you know how you can win worlds know what you can do to win worlds play ghostwriter I'm not gonna play eternity Jeff stop it I'll end you my eternity I'll say I can say my eternity won world alright I'll I'll take you up on that you're not gonna play eternity means our our eternity yeah wait a minute it's our it's yeah it's all of ours anyways no I'm pretty sure it's my eternity you can use your team up card or your legacy card I guess anything else you guys want to add to uh Eric's question um no I don't know I'm I'm hesitant about Supergirl as a movie because wasn't the biggest fan of Superman it it was totally it was ultimately fine I saw it too late I saw it too late I had pretty much seen the whole movie off TikTok by the time I act by the time it got to Max and I got to watch it. Oh really yeah so like the uh the Mr. Terrific scene I saw I knew Supergirl was the post credit I knew Superman got locked up with Metamorpho you know like I spoiler alert I guess if you know um it's been out for like the year almost I know it's your own fault at this point um but yeah so that's probably a part of it like I I'll I'll fully admit um I want to see Supergirl I because I have daughters I want stuff like Supergirl to succeed like I want them to also have a like I don't want to say like role model because I don't want this supergirl to be the role model now that I'm saying this out loud. But I want them to be able to say I'll be like I want them to be able to someday play in the play our playground and be like oh I'm super girl and go off and instead of saying like I'm and say then having to say well all the girl superheroes are lame you know I'm not saying under the movie she will be role model esque I think story about her like role model adjacent yeah well I think it's about like her finding herself as a hero. That's kind of the vibe I got like Yeah as far as the movie my only real concern is the same thing I had concerns with Superman is like how do you how do you write a character who is just by definition the strongest they take her off planet and put her in red sun like red sunar systems for some reason I think it so that's crazy I I'm guessing you haven't seen the trailer because I feel like okay I in all the trailers she seems like she has her powers it uh no because like there's one where she's like drinking and she's trying to get drunk.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:26

I mean she can get drunk because she's not in the yellow sun or something. That's how the post credit was too she shows up drunk.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:33

She shows up hammered because she spent too much time on a red sun planet. So yeah I mean it's following the book the book that's 100% vulnerable to my there's 100% a different vibe from the Superman movie for sure.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:47

So I feel like all those people who who hated on the Superman movie because they thought it was too campy or too you know happy go lucky I don't think this is going to be I don't think that's gonna be a problem with the super girl movie at all.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:03

But yeah I think it'll be a good movie. And I don't think Superman was too campy as a movie. I think Superman is too campy as a character so thus the movie had to be campy. Yeah so the movie nailed it yeah so it's like it's one of those things like the yes the movie nailed it but you but your source material was dumb we don't have enough we don't have enough time for this conversation again as the man who didn't bring a single Superman to the cape event last week. Oh I wanted to try a new piece get out get out of Superman Superman's Cape Superman Superman I brought Superman's Cape to the event he walked out to lava and died.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:51

He did a Terminator remember cyborg Superman uh the point apples I used a robot and a cyborg and I used Doomsday holding Superman's cape so it still counts.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:04

Eric thank you so much for your question we'll go on to the the last question is that our new what is that our new guy is that our new player Eric or is that a different Eric oh okay Eric adjacent yeah no that's Eric's I went to high school with Eric adjacent Eric adjacent did you actually no no i er I was making that this guy it was guy all right last question is from Zachary Wilson um what are your thoughts on what they are doing they as in whiz kids um are doing with 10 pulls slash one man armies what does this say about the state of the game or the state of them what do I think about one man armies does Kong answer the question for you let me introduce him to the group there there should be a rule that if you're playing a figure who is more than two thirds of your point value you should not be allowed to take actions that place you further away from your opponent you have to not move I don't know it's just kind of BS when you're like well I know there's not a lot of time left and uh I I you haven't scored any points except for like a couple one shots and I'm clearly winning so I'm going to run away from your 12 range attacker.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:40

Yeah unfortunately that's just the strategy like we can't he can't fault it unfortunately it's it's one of those things like in the moment it's one of those things in the moment you're like oh don't do that and then the next day you're like he had no choice like yeah what else are you gonna do it would have been it would have been dumb to stay within range of my team you know yeah I mean I feel like there's there's fixes to that like maybe don't give the character the ability to maybe just move through characters.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:07

I mean I know it's kind of crazy to say for like a 300 point one man army or something like a 400 whatever whatever the format is like a one man army being able to move through characters seems like a like a like a thing that just kind of I don't know how to explain it like you just but also makes it a lot harder to like tie them down.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:26

Like just thinking about Phoenix Thor, he has that free make a range attack yeah he gets shoot out of adjacency with it but wouldn't it suck if you're like I have a free attack running shot oh I missed my breakaway well this sucks.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:39

Yeah well with Phoenix Thor specifically I think they went too far the other way when it comes to he does have a little he has he has a few too many things.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:49

Maybe you should say that instead of I don't think so I so I I love what they're doing with one man armies. I think they should make more pieces um that are one man like good one armies um Kong I think is a really really fun piece I think Phoenix Force Thor is also a really fun piece I think Phoenix Force Thor should probably be like the blueprint for a lot of one man army teams like if you're if you're spending 300 piece you should be able to attack more than once you should be able to you know not get locked down by opposing characters you should have a way to minimize the damage you're taking um I think the way Phoenix Force Thor does it where you only take like a max of two damage per attack I think is a perfect way to do it because it's that's your only piece. And the problem with one man armies in the past is that you just overwhelm that piece by taking away their powers or attacking them with like 10 different characters or doing both and there's nothing you can do about it. Doomsday yeah you play that's a perfect perfect example you played Doomsday last Wednesday or this Wednesday and he's he's a fun piece Doomsday is a a like a perfect character to make a one man army around but Doomsday only Doomsday never has the option to do both like Phoenix fourth quarter. You can either only deal him one damage or he can now make two attacks and your opponent gets to make that decision for you. Yeah um which I think is that's the worst part. Yeah so if if if I had to like fix Doomsday it would be keep him exactly the way he is except he could do a flurry and you can't take the Bond thing off. Take away the stop clicks he doesn't need the stop clicks but just makes that he only takes one or two damage per attack.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:55

Also if you're playing the one man army your defense should never drop to a 17 ever in my opinion. If you're playing 300 points for a character I don't want to say 17 back. Yeah like do they dropping down to a 17?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:13

No no no no I think I think you're right I don't think it should drop down to a 17 if you want to have it set up like Phoenix Force 4 where you start off with a 17 I think that's fine. So like if they made like a like a one man army Hulk that'd be awesome. Like you start off with a 17 defense you can only take two damage at a turn or per attack rather and then yeah that like at the end like his last few clicks are like 19 maybe want to go crazy at 20 defense I think that'd be awesome. I I really think they should make more more one man army bases.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:53

I make I do agree with you I do agree with you in the sense that like Phoenix Thor is a very solid piece and like that he should like you said he should be a blueprint for like kind of following what WizKid should do regarding them with the multiple attacks. But my one biggest thing with him specifically is the fact that he doesn't get action tokens from doing actions. That's fine. That's insane well that one of the biggest things about one man armies like Jeff brought up is the fact that like I mean it gets to a point where you can't deal enough damage so they end up just running like people like people playing armies like that kind of just run. But the thing was like when you were when it's a one man army they have to now like maybe there's a chance that they have to take a turn to rest which gives the opponent a chance to actually get in maybe a couple attacks and maybe kind of flip the tides opposed a character like Phoenix for Thor now there's nothing tying him down to you know maybe give your opponent a chance to get a couple more hits in it's just constantly turn after turn after turn after turn where he's just doing whatever he wants you know and there's no retaliation for it. Or recollect recollection what's the word I'm looking for you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:08

He doesn't there's nothing holding him back like punishing him for doing his thing you know all right I I think you fix that by just making them have giant willpower instead then yeah that way it's not a game but they because they they definitely you need to have a way to take off tokens or make sure that you keep doing actions because that's your only piece.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:33

Yeah yeah I think just giving them willpower some form of cosmic I think I think Kong is the good um compromise with that being able to use willpower twice and even Kong has that better has that Kong can willpower twice and with two action tokens can regen and sprue that's great. That's what you that's the kind of thing you want that's a I do kind of agree like something like Thor they have to be able to take tokens. Like just because you're only a character they there has to be the well crap I rolled a one on my willpower it's gotta happen you gotta it's gotta happen. But also it runs into that trickiness of if Phoenix for Thor is Gaia's avatar then Gaia never has the downside there's never a downside to Gaia because she will just always heal him which is annoying he was beaten our event and I lost as a little bit broken so yeah so there needs to be some sort of there needs to be some sort of uh in-between between um what how Kong handles being one man army and how Thor handles being one man army.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:01

I think as long as WizKids keeps following those two as like I said the blueprint I think one man armies will have a good uh a good space in the future for hero plays. I hope they do I hope so I love one man armies but the problem is you just get you get uh overwhelmed a little bit I'd love to see them expand to like four like four characters like the really kind of like powerful characters like uh a one man army uh for like a silver surfer I think that'd be so cool um you know uh maybe like not terracks what's his name uh the the Herald of Galactus what's his name the Sarge of the T tyrant yeah yeah that'd be awesome I want to think those those hazards like a a really good one man army you know Thanos a dark side like but they like so they make it like how Phoenix 4 4 is I think that'd be really cool to see more of a Superman. No? Alright.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:13

Any other thoughts, guys?

SPEAKER_02 2:12:18

No, no one fans armies. They're boring.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:21

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