Classical Voice Training with a Dose of Waxing Gibbous Delirium

Welcome,, you've officially arrived with us to our state of classically induced psychosis. Please! Stay a while! Today we're talking deeply moving instrumental performances,, and unfortunately for you we're REALLY putting to the test if classically trained singers can sing in other genres. You've arrived at our most "musical" episode to date.

Transcript

SPEAKER_11 0:04

Stop, stop!

SPEAKER_14 0:05

What was that?

SPEAKER_09 0:07

You guys wait here. While I go sit and pray.

SPEAKER_14 0:11

The disciples are the little children at the skitter in the water park. Are we surviving the full moon?

SPEAKER_13 0:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 0:17

We survived the full moon.

SPEAKER_07 0:19

Wait, it's a full moon tonight. Two days ago. Oh, okay. Tell you that. What is it tonight? Oh waxing.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Right from the start you were a thief, you stole my heart and I a wheeling victim. Let me sit parts of me that weren't all that pretty with every touch to fix them.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

Ba bay bad dreams.

SPEAKER_06 1:24

Oh, raise and got the memory.

SPEAKER_13 1:35

Welcome. Back. We're back in the car. That is my car this time.

SPEAKER_04 1:42

Yeah. My mom's car, but she very generously lets me ask. Thank you, Mom. Julie. I love you, Julie.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

I miss you, Mom. Hope you didn't get Julie. Julie. Julie. Julie.

SPEAKER_12 1:53

You're a queer one. Julie Jordan. You're as quiet as you can. Your mom watches the podcast, right? Yes. Hi, Mom.

SPEAKER_08 2:01

Nice.

SPEAKER_12 2:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:01

She's like, I need to catch up. I'm like, oh. Like, you're good, Mom.

SPEAKER_12 2:06

There's no pressure.

SPEAKER_13 2:08

How are we feeling? How are we doing, everybody? We feeling good? We're surviving the full moon. Yeah. We survived the full moon.

SPEAKER_07 2:14

Wait, it's a full moon tonight.

SPEAKER_13 2:16

No. It kind of feels like a banana like two days ago.

SPEAKER_07 2:18

Oh, okay. What is it tonight? Oh, waxing. Waxing.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Waxing.

SPEAKER_09 2:32

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_13 2:33

Waxing gives. Guys, we're busy people. And um the time in which we normally film was taken up with work and other obligations. So this is the only time we have to film. And smaller zone.

SPEAKER_10 2:50

What time is it?

SPEAKER_13 2:52

People don't need to know.

SPEAKER_10 2:54

People don't need to know. I don't I don't even read the song. No. I just wrote it.

SPEAKER_12 3:04

Composed by a ginkle.

SPEAKER_10 3:05

It's like a it's like a my new favorite composer or it's like uh like an actual rose solo album song.

SPEAKER_09 3:11

Maybe all I don't need to know.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 3:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

I'm sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. No, no.

SPEAKER_13 3:24

Never be sorry. I'm sorry. Never be sorry. Sorry. My best friend Alex is so good at that face.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

It's like the She's so good at it.

SPEAKER_07 3:37

I don't know how you do it. Wait, do it, do it. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

It's actually really crazy to watch you do that. All you need now is. What was that? Oh, we're keeping it, girl. It's guy. I like it. I think it's fine.

SPEAKER_13 4:02

Oh my god. Um wow. I feel like we had like eight different musical topics to talk about. Oh yeah, we did. They're gone. That's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_07 4:12

It's all gone.

SPEAKER_13 4:13

We're more than just musicians. We're people too.

SPEAKER_11 4:17

Oh! Oh well, 14 cents and viewerships.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

That joke was funny. I'm sorry. It was funny. It was funny.

SPEAKER_13 4:32

He manifested on accident. I had someone ask me today if like I would hate them for saying they still liked Timothy Chalamet. And I was like, no, girl. Like, no. It's okay. And you know what I said? I was like, if I'm being honest, I feel like if anything, you'd get more hate from like other like normy people, like non-opera people, I feel like would maybe hate on that now or something.

SPEAKER_10 4:59

I still like Timothy Chalamet.

SPEAKER_13 5:02

You know. Can I be honest though? Like even without with even without all of the opera hoopla, beepy boop-boop.

SPEAKER_10 5:08

Are you looking at me or are you looking at sorry? I'm looking at you in the in the camera. Sorry. I totally interrupted you. What were you saying?

SPEAKER_13 5:19

Um, I even before all the opera hoopla of Tilly uh Timate Chalamy, I did not think he was good in Wonka. Oh, I didn't see it. But I also like didn't like Wonka. Like I didn't like what they did with his character. It was very like beepity poo-poo, and he's so good and benevolent. And it's like, no, he was a fucking prick. Like, why are we pretending people? Yeah. And then in the new movie, he's like, like, it's like really cringy to me. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_10 5:48

And like he's gonna have a little more grit than like the audio listeners are missing a lot in this one. You'll have to go through and watch it. Visual gale. On your next drive.

SPEAKER_13 5:56

I'm sorry, I do a lot of visual comedy.

SPEAKER_10 5:59

It's good. It's good.

SPEAKER_13 6:02

Um, but yeah, no, it's um, I don't know how I feel about it. Do we provide enough value to our listeners?

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Our beautiful, dedicated listeners.

SPEAKER_10 6:14

Yeah. All 15.

SPEAKER_13 6:17

We love you guys so much, and we're so glad you're here with us.

SPEAKER_10 6:20

Yeah, I wonder what they're like.

SPEAKER_13 6:22

Yeah. What if we could do that?

SPEAKER_10 6:25

Jelly Kid and Queen. Stop.

SPEAKER_13 6:27

I think there's a lot of people we haven't even met.

SPEAKER_10 6:30

Sound off. Sound off.

SPEAKER_13 6:31

If you're new here, hi.

SPEAKER_10 6:32

Introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_13 6:33

Say hi. We'd love to say hi back. It's been raining lately.

SPEAKER_10 6:40

Yeah, it's raining.

SPEAKER_13 6:41

Does your voice like humidity?

SPEAKER_10 6:44

Uh I've been like steaming in the shower for all the performances of carousel. I like took a long hot shower before. And I think it made a big difference. I also like avoided dairy for the first time.

SPEAKER_13 6:58

Like, for your phlegm?

SPEAKER_10 7:01

Yeah, I think it did. And I also like carried around. This is nasty. I carried around a paper towel. So like before I would go on stage, I'd be like, so that it would I wouldn't have like phlegm in my throat. It wouldn't really work.

SPEAKER_13 7:16

Like I'm not judging you. Oh my earring fell out. Not judging you at all. Okay. Thank you. Not judging you at all.

SPEAKER_10 7:23

Um, but it was good. It was good.

SPEAKER_13 7:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 7:30

And but I don't think about humidity much at all. I mean, if it's like really cold out, you know, I kind of feel dry, but yeah. Other than that.

SPEAKER_13 7:40

That's fine.

unknown 7:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 7:42

What about but it but I'm a baritone. It doesn't matter as much.

SPEAKER_13 7:46

True. I like it when it's less dry, I think. But I have been phlegmmy. It's annoying. And I don't know if y'all ever experienced this, but it's apparently it is a thing. Um, like inflammation, phlegm, or like, you just used me a lot, phlegm. Um, like sitting on the folds.

SPEAKER_10 8:06

Oh, I get that big time.

SPEAKER_13 8:08

I'm like done hanging out with people.

SPEAKER_10 8:09

I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 8:11

No.

SPEAKER_10 8:11

People can hear it on the podcast, maybe like all the time.

SPEAKER_13 8:17

We love our listeners. Enjoy.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Not like the little kid cough.

SPEAKER_10 8:26

For the audio listeners, that's a cough with uh tongue completely rolled out, coming out the mouth, lips around the tongue, which is curled up like a taco.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Can swear to God.

SPEAKER_10 8:45

Anyways.

SPEAKER_13 8:46

Can y'all hear the little pitter patters of Ryan? Oh, and as I said that again.

SPEAKER_10 8:50

It might be more than pitter patter.

SPEAKER_13 8:51

It might be a little louder than that. But maybe it's like ASMR.

SPEAKER_10 8:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 8:55

I think it's ASMR child coughing? Anyone?

SPEAKER_04 9:00

Joy! Stop!

unknown 9:05

Stop!

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Oh my god. I I sneezed on this little kid at the water park the other day.

SPEAKER_14 9:12

You're no better than a little kid at the water. No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_10 9:15

So we were like waiting in line for a slide, and it was like it was like I was like in the middle, and Coley was beside me. I was like in the middle on the step, and there was like enough room to where somebody could get get by me on the left side. And I like sneezed and I like aimed it away from Coley and everyone else. And it was at the same time that this little boy was like running up to like catch up to his parents or his siblings or whatever. Right on him. Right on him.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 9:47

Right on this little boy. Yeah, right on this little. He's probably in like fifth grade, maybe fourth grade. Yep. Right on him.

SPEAKER_13 9:56

Oh.

SPEAKER_10 9:56

And he didn't even flinch.

SPEAKER_13 9:58

Well, you spared your wife. That's what matters.

SPEAKER_10 10:00

And everybody else in line except for that boy, yeah. Because I was like, I'm gonna sneeze here. There's nobody. And he would just like exactly.

SPEAKER_13 10:11

You know, up the little wet smacking footsteps on the water park concrete.

SPEAKER_12 10:18

I love a water park.

SPEAKER_10 10:20

And Coley saw it and she just started laughing.

SPEAKER_13 10:23

Really funny. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 10:27

I almost sneezed to singing the Good Friday cantata tonight.

SPEAKER_13 10:32

How was that? That's part of why we're here so late.

SPEAKER_10 10:35

I had this, uh I had this solo in the third movement, and it was like the end of the second movement. I was like, I needed to sneeze. I really need to sneeze.

SPEAKER_12 10:44

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 10:45

And uh thankfully it went away and I didn't end up sneezing during the solo, but I was like, oh, that would be bad because I'm like I'm like playing Jesus in this like solo. So that'd be kind of hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

That'd be so funny. I'd pay you to do that.

SPEAKER_10 11:03

I don't remember the words. It was actually pretty cool. It was like a yeah, it was just one of those. Like it wasn't Dan Forrest, but it was that kind of deal. Yeah. And uh it was like um like Jesus talking to the disciples, like, you wait here while I'm going to sit and pray.

SPEAKER_09 11:24

And uh yeah, that would have been odd to happen. You guys wait here while I go sit and pray.

SPEAKER_14 11:32

The disciples are the little children at the skitter in the water park. Oh my god. Symbolism.

SPEAKER_10 11:41

They're getting something, the listeners, out of this podcast.

SPEAKER_13 11:45

I don't know what.

SPEAKER_10 11:46

Definitely something.

SPEAKER_13 11:47

Oh, yeah. We're glad you're here. Enjoy these beautiful ASMR rain sounds.

SPEAKER_10 11:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 11:53

Oh, it just got louder.

SPEAKER_10 11:57

The pitter patter of the rain.

SPEAKER_13 11:58

Well, okay, now you're done with carousel. You're done with your senior I almost said senior recital. Yeah, you're done with your senior recital. That was several years ago. Um, you're done with your graduate recital.

SPEAKER_10 12:09

Yup. Recitals are done.

SPEAKER_13 12:12

And then you're graduated.

SPEAKER_10 12:14

And then I'm done. Then I'm done. And the school show's nice. I come on, I die, and then I'm done. I love poolank. I got like 20 minutes. Po link.

SPEAKER_13 12:25

My favorite composer, Po Lank.

SPEAKER_10 12:28

Poolank. Mm-hmm. Batch.

SPEAKER_13 12:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 12:32

I'm trying to think of what other composer names I like to like bastardize.

SPEAKER_13 12:39

Oh, it's a good question. Uh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, Riley.

SPEAKER_10 12:47

We joked about Mozart a lot.

SPEAKER_13 12:49

Mozart? Oh god. Oh, I feel like there's other ones. Um Remeyu.

SPEAKER_10 12:57

Remo.

SPEAKER_13 12:58

Remeyu.

SPEAKER_10 13:00

Oh, yeah. Gunode.

SPEAKER_13 13:03

Guno.

SPEAKER_10 13:04

Goonode.

SPEAKER_13 13:07

Who else?

SPEAKER_10 13:08

Anyways. That's a good angle.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Welcome.

SPEAKER_13 13:18

We're doing great, guys. We're doing great. Yeah, I'm done with with one gig. You're you just have school show.

SPEAKER_10 13:27

Yeah. Yeah. And I got cage a spattering of church things and little concerts. I'm singing a concert with the Carolon over at IU on Saturday. And if you've never sang a if you never sang with a Carillon, like a big, you know, a big bell tower, it's uh, you know, you think like, oh, that would be nice, like the bells. It's like singing a duet with a whale. Like it's you they they can't really hear, like, there is pitch and it is musical, but like you can't really hear it.

SPEAKER_06 14:00

It's just like wong bong bong bong bong and you just kind of have to sing and hope for the best.

SPEAKER_13 14:09

That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_10 14:10

Yeah. I think I've talked about I've done a couple of things. Yeah. I sound like an oven in that video. I was I was actually having a having a conversation with some other singers. Like, if you as a singer were a kitchen appliance, what would you be?

SPEAKER_13 14:30

I like this question. Oh. Okay, okay. Um your kitchen appliance.

SPEAKER_09 14:40

Sorry, mom. I told one of my soprano friends, I was like, a hand mixer.

SPEAKER_10 14:46

Or no, actually, she was like, I think a hand mixer. I was like, I didn't want to say that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

You like don't want to insult someone with your honest thoughts of what suppliance is.

SPEAKER_09 14:59

But then she said hand mixer, and I was like, I thought that, but I didn't want to say that.

SPEAKER_10 15:13

Anyways, what what kind of kitchen appliance would you be?

SPEAKER_13 15:17

Um I feel like like when I think in my heart, I think toaster.

SPEAKER_10 15:25

Toaster?

unknown 15:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 15:27

Interesting. What makes you think that? No, I like it. I just what do you what makes you think that?

SPEAKER_13 15:33

I don't know. I really like my toaster. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 15:37

Like I'm trying to think. I don't know what your toaster looks like. It's just like a normal toaster, right? I don't know if I've seen your toaster.

SPEAKER_13 15:44

I have a nice toast.

SPEAKER_10 15:45

I don't think I've seen your toaster.

SPEAKER_13 15:46

Oh, you haven't been over since I've acquired the toaster.

SPEAKER_10 15:50

Oh, it's new.

SPEAKER_13 15:51

It is new. It is new. But also, like a toaster is something I just like really associate like with my childhood. Like, I don't know, like a lot of toast.

SPEAKER_10 15:58

My mom would be like, But as a singer, you feel like a toaster?

SPEAKER_13 16:02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_10 16:03

I feel like an oven as a singer.

SPEAKER_13 16:05

Well, that makes complete sense. Well, here's the thing, though. Like I've liked, I feel like I've got springs in me. Shoot up the toast. Yeah, that's true. It makes sense, I think. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Yeah. It's like a hand mixture laugh. I didn't want to say that, but that's exactly what I thought.

SPEAKER_10 16:24

This is a musical episode. I like this one.

SPEAKER_13 16:30

Welcome to the musical episode. Hey, we're musicians. We're finally doing music.

SPEAKER_10 16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 16:34

It's fine.

SPEAKER_10 16:35

That's the first time we've sung together.

SPEAKER_13 16:37

When's the last time you've had a hell of a big thing?

SPEAKER_10 16:41

Stop, stop it. Copy written.

SPEAKER_13 16:43

Ed, Ed Sheerin, stop it.

SPEAKER_10 16:45

What were we gonna say? Ed before before he interrupted us.

SPEAKER_13 16:49

Come on, Ed.

SPEAKER_10 16:50

Um He looks good in this movie. He looks kind of weird. It's a picture.

SPEAKER_13 16:54

I missed 2012 at Sheerin. Anyway, um When's the last time you got like a bad reaction to you being like, yeah, I sing opera. Probably like a long time for you, right?

SPEAKER_10 17:06

I mean like if you count talking to myself like daily. But um No, like literally though.

SPEAKER_14 17:14

We're like, God, I hate it.

SPEAKER_10 17:16

Well, my actually, this is funny. My grand I just did carousel, and my grandpa came and saw it. And he was like, Caden, that's the best thing I've seen you in since you were in Beauty and the Beast in high school.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

I'm like, thank you, grandpa. I really appreciate it. It's kind of a back into complex.

SPEAKER_13 17:36

I didn't process it that way when you told me he said that though.

SPEAKER_05 17:38

Yeah, it's just funny.

SPEAKER_13 17:40

It's just funny. Because I'm like, oh, I think Donnie's just recollecting a little bit about his memory of how much he enjoyed Beauty and the Beast.

SPEAKER_10 17:47

I didn't tell you the new Donnie Cole. So I'm saying Billy Bigelow. The carousel barker in carousel.

SPEAKER_13 17:58

Donnie and Connie are his grandparents.

SPEAKER_10 18:00

I think they know at this point.

SPEAKER_13 18:01

Well, not every there we have a lot of new viewers.

SPEAKER_10 18:03

That's true, that's true. Yeah, so my grandpa, you'll get he he he appears frequently as uh an impersonation on the pod on this podcast. But he told me, you know, a we went we went and had pizza after after the show, and he said, Caden, you know I used to be a barker on a carousel. I said, You what? Because I've I've known this This man has worked in the in the restaurant business since he was like eight.

SPEAKER_12 18:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 18:38

He was uh he ran the carousel. It was the the restaurant in Centralia was called the Big Top. And it was like the first restaurant he worked at, and they had a carousel, like a mechanical carousel, that if you bought a milkshake, you could ride the carousel. And he he That's how he did it, yeah. So it's in my blood.

SPEAKER_14 19:01

Is that gonna be sheltered at the end? Isn't that hilarious? But Donnie was up there singing that.

SPEAKER_10 19:07

Yeah, he was he was up there.

SPEAKER_14 19:08

He was he was Oh my god.

SPEAKER_13 19:11

He was I kind of want to pick his brain next time I see him.

SPEAKER_10 19:14

He has told me his work history, like like from from the big top to the chicken quick to the army to the chicken quick to the burger haven, like to the chicken quick. Like like I like I've known all the I've known about his work history my entire life. And I've like that's something we've talked about a lot. Yeah. Me and my grandpa used to go on long rides, and I missed that, and he would tell me all about like he would take me around Centralia and my my hometown and the surrounding areas and talk about like, you know, my my uh my great-great aunt who was who was deaf and they had their own backwood sign language that they would use and he still kind of remembers some of it.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 20:00

Yeah, but never once did he mention he was a barker on a garrison.

SPEAKER_13 20:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 20:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 20:06

That's so crazy. Well, I just know damn well he ate that up. Yeah, he liked to do that. But it w it was I mean, it was funny. He was like perfect as Billy exactly. It was funny, that was the last show.

SPEAKER_10 20:17

I was like, I I've I've been like working on this this thing for like two, three months.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

And just now he's like you're like, yeah, I did this.

SPEAKER_10 20:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 20:25

Insane.

SPEAKER_10 20:27

I appreciate you saying that though. It was a lot of fun. I really liked everyone's.

SPEAKER_12 20:30

Everyone should guess Caden is their Billy if anyone's doing carousel. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 20:35

Near the best.

SPEAKER_14 20:36

Near the best.

SPEAKER_13 20:38

Um but yeah, I know I I I deeply enjoyed the show. I already love carousel. Like it's a fucking it's can I can I say something though? And like I I don't want to typecast myself because like in in my heart of hearts I could do either or, but I fear my tap my typecast sits more as a carry than a jewelie. And that's like I don't know, whether you disagree.

SPEAKER_10 21:01

I don't think it matters for them.

SPEAKER_13 21:03

You know what? I don't think so either. I think it's about acting and like who can do what tea.

SPEAKER_10 21:08

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think there's very many people that could do one and not the other. You know?

SPEAKER_12 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 21:16

Well, maybe. I think I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_12 21:19

It is round up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 21:24

It's stuck in my head all the time.

SPEAKER_12 21:27

That song?

SPEAKER_10 21:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 21:29

Really? That's such a classic. I think there was a point in which it got kind of overdone in the classical world. Children are asleep. That one's stuck in my head.

SPEAKER_10 21:44

That's the that's the that's the two four Rogers and Hammerstein march.

SPEAKER_14 21:49

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_10 21:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 21:50

That was fun.

SPEAKER_10 21:51

It's it it's in it's in carousel a lot and it's in Cinderella a lot.

SPEAKER_13 21:55

Oh Cinderella. Cinderella. Good show.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 22:02

One of my best friends did um one of the stepsisters in that particular thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_13 22:09

She was awesome. Why would a fella want a girl like her? Oh, that's a girl who's made. She was awesome. Solid girl like me. Yeah. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_12 22:22

That's what I said. That's what she said. It was beautiful.

SPEAKER_10 22:25

Anyways.

SPEAKER_12 22:26

I love musical theater. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_10 22:29

I feel like that's what we talk about a lot.

SPEAKER_12 22:31

No.

SPEAKER_10 22:32

No, we don't. No. I feel like every every episode I'm like we need to do more musicals, guys.

SPEAKER_13 22:38

No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 22:40

As opera singers.

SPEAKER_13 22:41

I really don't think so. I think all we've really said on it is like we should maybe employ some things that musical theater does in terms of concept and like what if we made opera community theater more of a thing?

SPEAKER_10 22:53

I like it. I like the singing, I like the dancing, I like the acting.

SPEAKER_13 22:59

I'm not very good at the dancing, but I like that people understand what we're saying. And with that, there's more of room to move people.

SPEAKER_10 23:07

You can see the story.

SPEAKER_13 23:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 23:10

Yeah. See, I don't think I don't think that opera is dying or is dead. I think that opera had one of what uh what the the theory of evolution where it's like not gradual, where it like happens all at once. I think that happened to opera. I think opera evolved into musical theater. And all the modern operas now are like, you know, like something else. Like I think it was like like opera, like opera, operetta, and then musical theater, like just kind of bloomed out of both of those. Yeah. With the invention of microphones.

SPEAKER_13 23:57

Yars.

SPEAKER_10 23:58

And then a third thing broke off that was like post post-microphone opera.

SPEAKER_13 24:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wish post-microphone opera was fun. It's not fun. It's depressing and dramatic. I don't know. There's some.

SPEAKER_10 24:16

There's some. Cavalier and Clay is really good.

SPEAKER_13 24:19

Never heard of that. What is that?

SPEAKER_10 24:20

It's uh it's at the Met now. It's got the superheroes in it. The adventures of Cavalier and Clay. Damn.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 24:28

I saw it at I saw it at Indiana University when they premiered it, and it's at the Met. I think it was like earlier this year. Cool. You didn't see that? Any of those posts? They were like like crazy cool projections, and there's like a moth girl, and she had like wings and she like floated down.

SPEAKER_08 24:44

I really adored that. You didn't see that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 24:47

But it the I loved that. The whole thing sounds like a Batman movie, but it's an opera.

SPEAKER_13 24:52

Oh, I feel like that would be right up here.

SPEAKER_10 24:54

Yeah. It's cool. And it's funny. And it's like it's a serious story, but like it's so funny at times. Really? It's so funny. Yeah, like funny, like not like opera funny, where it's like, oh, that's clever. Like that was hilarious.

SPEAKER_13 25:11

Oh, and I want that. I want that for the art form. I want that for the art form. If you had oh, I know exactly what I want to ask you. If you had an unlimited budget, what would you want to put on? Or do? Like even if it's just like I know. Or even if it's just like your own little project.

SPEAKER_10 25:31

Like I don't know. Those hypotheticals tire me out. Like if I had infinite money. I'm really trying. But I'm I they they bother me because I've had to do that question you asked?

SPEAKER_13 25:42

I hate it.

SPEAKER_10 25:43

No. And to imagine anything where it's like I didn't have to find the resources for it is just like feels.

SPEAKER_13 25:58

Can I say something?

SPEAKER_10 25:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 26:00

Art actually does well and is good art within the constraints. Within constraints, period.

SPEAKER_10 26:07

All those writing things, all those writing exercises that are.

SPEAKER_13 26:10

Like, why do you think art pieces made entirely out of scraps of paper are like oh because they had constraints on the kinds of things they were allowed? Like in the same way that, like, oh, like you can either feel inhibited by so say you're like working on a new piece and you're reading the rhythm. You can either feel inhibited by the rhythm and be like, oh, but because of the rhythm, I can't like do my own rhythms and make fun improvisational. Or you can use the rhythms to like reinforce what you want to do with the piece.

SPEAKER_10 26:40

Yeah. That's what I like about Sondheim.

SPEAKER_13 26:43

Interesting. That's what I like about Mozart.

SPEAKER_10 26:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 26:46

Yeah. I actually had a really wonderful coaching.

SPEAKER_10 26:48

The Russet or the The Russet. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 26:51

Um, I had a coach tell me, shoot, I'll give you guys this little tidbit this wonderful coach gave me for free. Even though I paid money for it. Free value. Yay. Um, freaking he was like, if you can sing Mozart Russet in time, on rhythm, that's more than 90% of singers are doing. And when you use it to actually drive you forward and not feel like lost in some soup, it's gonna make it really compelling. And I was like, oh, thank you. That's what I want to do. That's what a Mozart should be. It should be compelling and fierce. And like, Queen needs that, I think. And so, like, no, no, I kind of look back at like a little bit of a little bit of a little secko resses, Queen of the Night, though, right?

SPEAKER_10 27:31

Uh not really. You know, compagnolesa.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

Oh, I love From. I love the part so far. From From I need so be doing water hats.

SPEAKER_13 27:58

But anyways, if you use the rhythm, it's kind of like like using the constraints makes it all that to say. Yeah, no, I I just think anyways, so yeah, my question was like dumb. No, it's not dumb.

SPEAKER_10 28:11

It's not dumb, it's just like like I know it's not, but it's funny.

SPEAKER_13 28:15

What would you do with a million dollars?

SPEAKER_10 28:16

Like, you know, it's interesting. Um, but it just like tires me out because I'm like, well, that would be nice. You know, it's just me being like, uh I I yeah, I don't know. It's hard to think about.

SPEAKER_13 28:29

Yeah. Because it would be something else.

SPEAKER_10 28:32

But that's the thing that the thing that I love.

SPEAKER_13 28:35

Whatever.

SPEAKER_10 28:36

But that's the thing that I love is like making something where there shouldn't be anything or where there where there isn't anything, you know.

SPEAKER_13 28:43

And so if you're not sure. It would be really hard for me to imagine. It would completely go against what it is.

SPEAKER_10 28:48

Yeah, I don't I don't know, maybe like the Billy Corgan Mitt or the Billy Corgan Chicago lyrics. Like it would be something like that, you know? Where it's like some sort of classical reimagining of some uh contemporary pop popular music that's interesting to people, you know.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

Cool.

SPEAKER_10 29:07

Like like I'd I'd like throw the mountain goats in with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and see what happens.

SPEAKER_13 29:16

Love that. Something like that. Oh, that would be cool. I like that. Like really cool musicians to be able to afford could be cool.

SPEAKER_10 29:22

Yeah, yeah, and just like That's clever. Like really just like giving giving those like those resources to some to a musician that I think is like a really, really profound original thinker and composer of music. Like that doesn't usually use those. So like the mountain goats. Like, do you know the mountain goats?

SPEAKER_14 29:46

Not super well. They have the song uh I am gonna make it through this year, if it kills me. I do. I'm not just saying that. And the other one that was popular on TikTok, uh there is no sign of land, you are coming down with me.

SPEAKER_10 30:05

Yeah. Uh like, I mean, I think his songwriting is just absolutely genius. And to have to give somebody like that that's like already like just like making and making and making beautiful, original, like crazy like stories with music, and like giving them all of the all of the resources and producing that in a way that would connect like people that like I think this is goofy. No, goof no, like uh like goofy. Like I I did this thing and Philip was probably told you about this. This guy was talking about like high information music and low information music, and like I didn't think about it that much. But like people that like listen to the mountain goats, like there's so much substance there, even though it's only guitar, voice, drums, bass, piano, maybe. Um like there's so much information in that, but classical music people hear that and they're like, oh, it's just like a stupid rock band. But then also, like in the other direction, people that listen to that are like, oh, it's just like a it's just like an orchestra, like they're just like reading the notes on the page, you know. And like like doing something that blends those worlds where it's like actually, no, there is so much thought in a Mountain Goats album.

SPEAKER_05 31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 31:30

There is so much thought in you know the performance of the Beethoven. Yeah, or of your performance of Beethoven 9 or whatever. Like just as much, just as much information and depth, and to like combine those worlds, I think would be really cool.

SPEAKER_13 31:48

That's really cool. I love that. That's the first thing that came up. I'm gonna like rewind and like show you where in the episode you can see me realize, but I remembered the thing I wanted to talk about. Yesterday I went to the Chicago Symphony and Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and it was so fun. Philip and I went together and we had great seats. We were like row E. Um, but we got them for rush, rush tickets. It's close, right? Great price, yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 32:19

And um I was in the first row for Joyce Donato, did I tell you that? Onto the side.

SPEAKER_13 32:25

Crazy.

SPEAKER_10 32:26

And she sang the whole thing like this. Yeah, so I was like, I was like, Wow. Honestly, thanks. She was good.

SPEAKER_13 32:36

But yeah, like so it was really good. I I just kind of went into it like, okay, I'm gonna see the Chicago Civil.

SPEAKER_10 32:44

It was a Sibelius thing, right?

SPEAKER_13 32:46

Yes, it was. The first piece was the Brahms. Oh, it's a specific Brahms that's kind of short, and I'm not remembering it. And it was fine. It was upbeat. It was camp, it was fine. And then it was camp. It was camp. Brahms is camp.

SPEAKER_10 33:02

I think if the Brahms is camp, you're doing it wrong.

SPEAKER_13 33:04

Can we try to see if I have the program? I I literally thought I might. Is that your feet, Loki?

SPEAKER_08 33:11

I can't see my feet.

SPEAKER_13 33:13

That's good.

SPEAKER_08 33:15

I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_13 33:16

No, no program there. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_08 33:17

Unless it's like No, that's okay.

SPEAKER_13 33:19

I wouldn't be surprised if it's not here. Um, but yeah, like the second piece, I knew it was gonna be an accordion concerto. A classical accordion. Really? Yes. And um, oh, I'm going to Yes.

SPEAKER_05 33:34

That's cool.

SPEAKER_13 33:35

Yes. And I was like, oh, that'll be cool to watch. Like, whatever, that'll be cool. And then I knew the Sibelius was gonna be after intermission, whatever. I was like, oh, probably the Sibelius is gonna impact me the most, whatever. Nope. That accordion concerto, which by the way, the composer's name's two. It's finish, I believe.

SPEAKER_10 33:53

T again.

SPEAKER_13 33:54

A two? It's like T U with umlaut U with umlaut R.

SPEAKER_10 33:58

Wait, how do you how do you pronounce it?

SPEAKER_09 34:04

One more time.

SPEAKER_13 34:12

Anyways, I was like, okay, it's gonna be kind of contemporary.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

Backing up.

SPEAKER_10 34:41

I wonder if that's the same one from earlier. Hey. Oh, he's getting out.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Hey girl.

SPEAKER_10 34:51

He's not coming towards us though.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_10 34:53

He sees we have micro ones. Oh, he's they're recording on podcasts. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_10 34:58

I wonder up there.

SPEAKER_13 34:59

Um, no, you're fine, you're fine. They're just recording a podcast. Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_10 35:02

Um So the the accordion concerto by I'm not saying it.

SPEAKER_13 35:11

Also, this man's alive. And which, by the way, at the very end after it was all done, he comes on stage. He was in the room the whole time the conversation.

SPEAKER_07 35:17

How old was he?

SPEAKER_13 35:18

Older, like I would say, seventies.

SPEAKER_07 35:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 35:21

Um, he was really fierce though. Can I say something? He reminded me of Elijah.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Seven here.

SPEAKER_13 35:29

God damn it, Ed Sheeran.

SPEAKER_10 35:31

Um wait, we can turn this down, right?

SPEAKER_13 35:34

Yeah. Oh, good idea. So he can sing just quietly.

unknown 35:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 35:38

Um remind you of Elijah. Stop. No, he had a mustache. No, that happens a lot. He had a mustache. Elijah gets that a lot.

SPEAKER_13 35:46

That's okay. No, but he had a mustache that was like his own first. Um But yeah, no, so the accordion player comes out. She is just like one of those people that you can't stop looking like you just like want to look at them and you feel like it's safe to look at them. And you're like, yes, your energy draws me in, and I love that. Like she mogs. She mogs. She mogs. Like, first of all. But even if she didn't mog, it's like you just have one of those energies that's like, oh, it's safe to look at you, and like you're gonna really lead me through this, and like I'm gonna feel held the whole time you perform. Let's do this shit.

SPEAKER_05 36:23

That's wild.

SPEAKER_13 36:24

It's unbelievable. I was like, literally. I wish there was a recording of what my face looked like when she came out because like that is interesting. The minute she came out, I was just like, oh. And she starts playing, and it's like we're not there. It's like there is no audience. She's just there with the orchestra and the conductor, and she's like kiking, like she's in a band. It's like she like she would just like to the microphone.

SPEAKER_05 36:54

That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_13 36:55

She's just like, I don't know, she uh didn't give a fuck that anyone was there. Not in a way that you don't feel like held or seen as an audience, but it's like, oh, you clearly only do this because you love this music. Because you love this music.

SPEAKER_10 37:10

I mean, how much work can you really get? You know, I mean, I mean, I'm not saying anything about the the value of of doing that, but it's like, you know, like can you make can can you make a full-time living doing that?

SPEAKER_13 37:25

Um this queen in particular, which is why I'm devastated. Yeah, and I cry. I can't believe you. I I I really do like I need to like look her up and and like double check what her name is. Um, but obviously our devices that look things up. We're recording on right now.

SPEAKER_10 37:46

Yeah. Um I can look it up uh mine's the light. Cadence are. Hey, we can do shadow puppets. Wait.

SPEAKER_14 37:57

On our faces.

SPEAKER_10 37:58

Like the like the the magic flute dragon.

SPEAKER_13 38:01

Wait, I used to be able to do a dog.

SPEAKER_10 38:04

On your face.

SPEAKER_13 38:06

It's so funny. Just fall.

SPEAKER_08 38:10

Wait, hold on. Hold on. What do you know how to do? Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm making you the phantom of the opera right now.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Oh my god!

SPEAKER_08 38:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 38:26

Anyways. Anyway, sorry guys. From fun.

SPEAKER_10 38:29

Accordion concerto.

SPEAKER_13 38:30

Yeah, I was just so in awe of her. I've actually never been moved by an instrumentalist.

SPEAKER_10 38:37

Wow. In the way I have because the accordion the accordions are beautiful. I know that. I I really like accordions.

SPEAKER_13 38:44

Ever been to an instrumental or like orchestral performance. I've actually never been moved by this in an orchestral piece period like this. I don't think I was just like beside myself. I was like, no way you are this with the music, and like it's just for us to like what a blessing to witness you enjoy it this much. You know you're allowed to enjoy this music thoroughly and not hide that on your face. Like she was just so fully embodied. And I was like, this is like everything I would ever want to have, ever. I was like, you are like the summation of everything I'd ever want to be as an artist, and I'm like watching that right now. That's insane. And like everyone loved her so much that when she was done, everyone was like standing oh in the middle of the show. Like we haven't hit intermission yet. And everyone's on their feet and clapping. She comes out and she does an encore, and it's just her, like the orchestra is all just sitting and watching her do this encore.

SPEAKER_10 39:47

That's cool. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_13 39:50

I like felt like I couldn't believe that I was watching it. I was like, This is the most extraordinary artist I've ever seen in my life. It was so moving. Like, I almost want to like find a clip of her and like put her in here briefly, but I don't want to get copyrighted. Like, I don't know. I will simply find um her name. Like Deadass, I think I might pause so we can find her name in in a second. But um I was so moved, and like it was one of those moments where like you finish a concert or like you're about to go to intermission, and Philip looked over at me and he's like, Oh, and I'm like, Don't look at me.

SPEAKER_11 40:26

Don't look at me.

SPEAKER_13 40:27

Yeah, but he's had so many moments like that, he's like, Oh, you're like me here.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Like, I know because that's Philip with like a malar or a Sibelius or like a whatever.

SPEAKER_10 40:36

And I was like, Now that you say that, I think I've only like one time been really emotionally affected by instrumental music. But it was something that my best friend Elijah wrote. He wrote this piece that I I think it was for string quartet, and uh there were different movements dedicated to people in his life. So he dedicated one to his parents, and I got pretty emotional then because we grew up, you know, I I grew up with his parents a little bit too. Yeah. And kind of considered them like my second parents. And then he wrote one for his fiancee, and then he he wrote a movement for for his friends, which like uh and it was it it it had it referenced a lot of the the barbershop music that we sang. So I was sitting with my friend Zach, who was the tenor in our barbershop quartet, and uh we heard the melody and like it was like in the strings from Leave Her Johnny, which was like the last thing that we sang together. It was like a sea shanty. Um we like grabbed hands and cried. But that's like that's connected to vocal music, and it's like it was really sentimental thing. So I don't really it's not I don't really count it in the same way that uh like like your experience. No. Yeah, I I don't I can't think of any other like time any other times where I was like really moved by instrumental music. I don't relate to it a whole lot. Yeah That's me most of the time I've been to a bunch of stuff, but there's a reason I stopped playing violin.

SPEAKER_13 42:07

I just like didn't resonate with it anymore.

SPEAKER_10 42:09

And like like Elijah's organ concert was was similar, but like I really enjoyed that concert, but it still wasn't like a really emotional, like like how sometimes I am with vocal music, you know.

SPEAKER_13 42:22

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_10 42:25

Like the like when the Centralia Opera the orchestra played for the first time, I cried a lot, but that's a different thing too. You know, it's connected to a bunch of sentimental and vocal stuff.

SPEAKER_12 42:36

Centralia opera orchestra.

SPEAKER_10 42:40

Good times.

SPEAKER_13 42:40

Good times. Yeah good times. Caden made a real good summer happen down there. It was real fun.

SPEAKER_10 42:47

And lots of other people, but yeah.

SPEAKER_08 42:51

It was fun.

SPEAKER_13 42:52

It was fun. Caden, you falling asleep.

SPEAKER_10 42:54

No, I feel very awake.

SPEAKER_13 42:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 42:58

Well how do you feel?

SPEAKER_12 43:00

Good. But I think it's time you say goodbye.

SPEAKER_10 43:02

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_12 43:03

It was good to see you guys.

SPEAKER_10 43:05

Bye. Should we sing him something?

SPEAKER_12 43:09

A serenade.