Oversharing with Natalie About Growing Up 12 Years Apart and Somehow Becoming Best Friends

This week on Mom’s & Margs: Uncensored, Court is joined by a very special guest—her sister, Natalie! Even though they’re 12 years apart in age, these two have always been incredibly close, and they’re sharing all the stories, laughs, and memories that shaped their bond.

From growing up in completely different generations to raising kids in totally different eras, Courtney and Natalie compare motherhood, parenting styles, and how much the world has changed between raising a now-grown 21-year-old and high school senior versus raising a preschooler today. They also dive into Natalie’s career as a photographer, family dynamics, sibling memories, and some hilarious behind-the-scenes stories only sisters can tell.

Plus, stick around for a fun round of rapid-fire questions that puts their sisterly connection to the test.

Grab your favorite drink and join us for a heartfelt, funny, and nostalgic conversation about family, motherhood, and the lifelong friendship that comes with having a sister by your side. 💕🍹

Transcript

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Jesus Christ. I'm Court. And I'm Natalie. And this is Mums and Marg's Uncensored. So I have my annoying sister with me today. Hmm. As my co-host. All right, back at you. We have been spending the week together in San Diego. And I don't know. Do you guys think that's our high or our low? Well, this is day five. Our last day. So we're both really annoying each other. I think we think it's our low. But I'm back. I'm back. We're back. We're doing this. So we are not. We're drinking water, but we're smoking hookah. So you're gonna hear the hookah on this, and that's just an added sound effect. But we have no alcohol for us today. No, we're kind of boring. We're kind of boring. It's Thursday. Catch us on the weekend at the river. Might be drinking some trulies. Last weekend I actually was drinking trulies with her. My nephew, 21. We he was drinking twisted teas. I was drinking trulies. We were having a time. And that's just so crazy to say that I was drinking with my nephew. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that. And that just also shows you how old my sister is. I'm a young, cool man. Okay. She thinks she is. She thinks she is. But highs and lows. What's your high and your low for the week? My high is definitely having you and Ribber and mom and Winston here. Can't forget Winston. Can't forget Winston. It's been fun. I'm going around San Diego, like being tourists and it has been fun. Doing fun things. Um, my low would be that it's our last day and you guys are leaving tomorrow, and it the house is gonna be clean again, but quiet. I don't like that. She's getting taken back to the toddler days with how messy your house gets and how loud and crazy, but yep, when it's quiet, she's gonna be sad. Yes, I will. My high is the same thing being here. We obviously we live six hours apart, so we don't get to spend a ton of time together, and then when we do spend time together, it's you know, we have a huge family, so there's a lot of us, so we don't get a lot of time like this. So it's been very nice and uh Rivers been having a lot of fun with his his cuzsies. We have my other nephew Chase here. Um our sister Danielle's son, he was deep sea fishing in oceanside, so we paced him up. We snatched him up. We snatched him up. So yep, that's the high, the low. Yeah, leaving is the low. Definitely. I I don't know. It's always hard when you spend a lot of time with your family and then you have to separate. It's like a depressing you go home. And I've been gone even longer because it started at the river house last weekend, then came here, then we'll go back tomorrow to the river house, and then I'll go home. So I've been on a long vendor, so it's definitely gonna be rough getting back into the the groove of things. Yep. So that's the low for sure. But um, so we're just gonna talk about growing up together, raising kids in different, you know, different times. And then we're gonna hit on her photography business as well. Um so yeah, we're gonna touch on a little bit of everything. And if you don't know, Natalie is my oldest sister. So it goes Natalie, Danielle, Trevor, then me. I'm the youngest, she's the oldest. So we're 12, aren't we? 12 years old? Almost 12 years apart. So 12 years apart. Um, so for anyone out there that's having kids and they think, oh no, my kids are gonna be too far apart. No, it's not a thing. I think it's more of a I think your kids could be two years apart, and sometimes personalities don't, you know, like it might be harder because the younger, like the closer you are together, the more you do fight. And don't get me wrong, her and I would be going at it. I feel like we fight more now than we ever did when we were living in the same house because you were more like my baby. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I was gonna talk about is like what was it like for you growing up with me in the younger, like in my younger days? Because like you were in you know, high school, say, in at that time. How old was I? Yeah, I mean, probably I don't know. Well, we moved to Phoenix when I was in first grade and you were a I was a junior. And she was a junior. So I was 17. That's how far apart. If you think about it that way, first grade and a junior. Yeah. That's insane. So I mean, what was it like with me? Was I annoying? Was I No, you were you were like my you were my baby. I saved you. Anytime you were getting in trouble, I would hide you in my room for mom. Yeah, when mom was hit me with the brush. All of my friends loved you. So you were you were very spoiled. You were you were very spoiled. I loved having you around. I love Courtney. Used to come in my room one time. We were getting we are actually this is pushing it a little, but I was uh going to be 21, so we were getting ready to go to Vegas. And so my best friend Marissa and I were in the room uh in our house in Phoenix, and Courtney comes in with her cute little matching pajamas, and she throws on my boots. Maybe they were Marissa's, I don't remember. I think they're Marissa's tall black boots, and she's dancing the baby bash, right? She got how'd you get so black? Oh, that was my favorite. She's just dancing around the room, so she was just very, very um entertaining, yeah, to say the least. Marissa used to get a kick out of me. I'd get the old like flip camcorder and act like I was doing cribs. TV cribs in like some heels. And yeah, no, I loved being in the in the soup. I thought Natalie's guy friends were cute. That was a little flirt. Yeah. Never moment. No, that was fun times. And this was back when she didn't want kids. I didn't. No. I was very happy with my little chihuahua. She just put in a chihuahua. And yeah, I said I would be fine just having dogs and no kids. Yeah. Now here I happened with two kids. Thank God. Yeah. And she has a chihuahua still. My chihuahua just turned 15 two days ago. And my mom and sister have been here this week making jokes that he's gonna die and he's old and we'll wake up and my mom will look at me and she'll be like, He's still alive. And they get so mad. Her and my niece get so mad. Oh yeah, Kinsey's ready to kick you out of the house. Yeah, she gets very mad. So you can't be here all week and talk about my dog, right? But and my niece and I are like, that's the same. She is me back in the day. Like, just the shit that she does, or or I'll be like, oh, she's like out. It's late, or where's she going now? She's always doing something, and then I think back and I'm like, that was totally me. Never wanted to be home, always in the mix, always in the scoop, always out, you know, that it's major fear of missing out. Yeah, not miss out on anything. And that's funny because I have the opposite of that now. Yeah, true. I mean, I don't like missing out on things when it comes to the family, but like otherwise, I don't have FOMO very often. So did we have uh what were our biggest fights? Can you remember any of our biggest fights when we were younger? No, I don't think we fought really when we were younger. I think older we uh our biggest fight was like drunkenly at Country Thunder. Everyone remembers it. At the end of the night, you're walking through all the like beer cans and everything. If you've been to Country Thunder, you know there's just shit everywhere, right? You know, it was like this like wet like piss blanket. It was disgusting. And I like freaking threw it on her. Oh, and completely covered me. It was scraped over my head. Yeah, it was so and then like I think we wrestled and stuff. No, well then it ended up on the ground and I was stepping on it and pulled it out from under me. Yeah. Or was it you? Yeah, it was me. Yeah, eight shit. Yeah, she fucks around too much. Yeah, so that we didn't really fight when we were younger, we fight now. Now that we're grown, we're just so mature. Okay, who was mom's this we're gonna stir the pot with this, but who was mom's favorite back then? Ooh. Because I don't know. I mean, I don't really remember. I was young, so I don't know. I don't know. I would say maybe you, because you're the baby. I was the baby, but I don't know. Probably Trevor because he was just the boy. The chillest. Chill is not back then, my ass. No, he was bad back then. He was baby Danielle. Yeah, Danielle's more chill. She wasn't getting in trouble. Yeah. I don't know, but now that I'm a mom, I don't I don't think like parents have a favorite. Yeah. I truly think like they love their kids for different reasons. Yeah. And I don't think I really don't think they could have a favorite. No, I I think I'm going through that right now, going into another IVF transfer, trying to think of like, how am I gonna love anyone more than River? And I know that everyone says that before they have like their second kid. But I was just talking to my friend Morgan, who has a little boy a little younger than River and just had a new baby, and she was saying that before. I remember like before her baby shower, and so she's like, I just don't know how I'm gonna like, you know, nothing's gonna and I was congratulating her after with her new baby and stuff, and she's like, I don't know how you do it, but you just you like all of a sudden have more love to give this kid and you just love them equally. Like it's not a there's not this like it's instant it's a different, yeah. It's instant. Yeah. And it's not like uh one or the other, like, oh no, you know, I've he's been around longer, so I love him more. But it's she said, you know, it's just there's always gonna be a different feeling with your first because you kind of you learn to be a mom with your first, you know. Like, so when you had Nevin, how old are you when you had Nevin? I was 23 when I had him. Oh my god. See, I always thought I wanted to be a mom at 23, and now looking back at me when I was 23, I can't imagine. There's definitely pros and cons to it. Obviously, it wasn't planned. I I wasn't ready, but it doesn't matter. You're never, I don't even think yeah, 23, 28, 35. I don't think you're ever truly ready, even if you think you are. That's just like you don't know until you're thrown into it what it consists of. People tell you, and you're like, oh, okay, okay, but you still don't get it. No, you have to experience it yourself. Yeah. But it was, I mean, ah, like I said, I wasn't ready, but I did it, and you wing it. Some days you're like, oh, I didn't know I had that in me, or I probably didn't do that right a lot. I always joke with Natalie, and I'm like, it just takes a soldier, man. You gotta be a soldier to handle some of this shit. It's not for the weak. But like you would say, you know, yeah, you don't love your kids one more than the other. But the experience with Nevin was different because he was your first, and you were so young at the time, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it was you're like, I don't want kids, and then like, whoopsie. So, like, your whole life really did like change. It wasn't like, you know, with me, I was obviously go working towards that. I had to do IVF to get there. So I was going in that direction. But for you, it was a total shift. Well, we're we're complete opposite on that because I don't know what it's like to struggle to have a child. Yeah, it just kind of happened. Yeah, an accident is so rare. So that that part I am I am kind of thankful for, especially seeing what you've had to go through. Yeah. And seeing you go through that whole process is yeah, is yeah. Much respect. And I mean, I I think a lot of people think that it's just gonna isn't the normal thing just to get pregnant. Like you spend your whole life trying to not get pregnant. Yeah. And then you try. Yeah. And then you gotta try, wait. My maker's broken. Something's not working here. Okay, so you had Nevin and then So how far apart are him and Kenzie? Like a little over three years apart. Okay. Three years and four months or so. I feel like that's a good gap. Yeah, it was. Because for a little over three years, I was able to just focus on him. Yeah. It was just him and I. And then once Kinzie came along, our grand is here right now. There's a hummingbirth. Hummingbirds are like what we think is our grams. She just came looking at us. We're smoking the hookah, and she's probably like, bad girls, it's bad for you. Yeah, stop it. Okay, but three and a half years. Yeah, but like you said, with the having that time with Nevin, I'm I'm like thinking about it now that I wanted to do our next transfer like back then, before I knew everything that I was gonna go through. Like, oh, a year after River's born, I want to do another transfer. I want them to be close. And obviously didn't pan out that way. But now I'm thinking, like, I've been so lucky to just be able to focus on River all this time. And now, you know, God willing, if the transfer goes the way it's supposed to, like, he'll be in kindergarten and I'll be able to like not swap, but you know what I mean. Like the individual time. Why river's at school? Then you have that quality time with the new baby to bond and everything works out the way it's supposed to. Now, I can't remember, was Kenzie planned? No, Kenzie also was not planned. Kenzie was also not, but she's got a lot of accidents plans. Obviously. I was okay with it. I don't I don't like plans to this day. I don't, I mean, ask my besties. They they're like, oh, in um 2027, um, in April, oh my gosh, I'm like, oh, that gives me anxiety. I cannot commit. No. Side note, like two weeks ago I put in our little, you know, bestie hoochie group chat that, like, let's do a girl's trip. We do a girl's trip every year, and all of them were like, oh, I don't know until this time and this calendar, and da-da-da. I'm like, oh my god. How are you ones, the ones that are the older ones with older kids, have more um commitments? Well, Marissa, it's the sports. Yeah, well, believe it or not, when your kids are older, you're actually more busy. So the sports life is uh nutty. Yeah. But okay, so Kenzie and something happened. When you found out you were pregnant with Kenzie, I don't know how far into it, but like the doctor told you something was wrong. Yeah. I actually was going to mention that when you're like, oh well, when I was saying, I don't I don't think parents can have a favorite, you know, because obviously like when I got pregnant with Kinzie, you just you instantly like are attached, like especially for a mother, because they're inside of you, you know something's growing in there. Yeah. And so yeah, they said that um on our very first appointment, um we I got like a sonogram and they're like, oh, just wait out here. The doctor wants to talk to you. I'm like, well, that's not normal. Yeah. That didn't happen the first time. And so yeah, we went in there and they said that they thought something was wrong. They saw something abnormal on the sonogram. And I was like devastated. I'm like, so instantly you're already attached to this child. I'm like, something's wrong with my baby. I don't even know if it's a boy or a girl or what it's gonna be, but yeah, um, yeah, it was it was scary. We had to do a lot of testing. They didn't know if I'd be able to even carry her full term or what uh would happen. But turns out after all the testing, um they're like, what we don't see it anymore. Um, because they thought something I don't even remember exactly, like a tumor on the back of her neck or brain, yeah, or something. But um, all of a sudden, whatever they thought they saw, or maybe that it was it was gone and they said she was gonna be okay. But the whole pregnancy, I was just worried because now it's like, well, what if it is still there? What if she is born and something's wrong? Or didn't they tell you like weren't they like considering like or telling you to consider like terminating? Yeah, they said I wouldn't I might have to. Because I remember Jiddo was like, no, everything's gonna be fine. Don't calling and praying everything. Yeah. And I remember like that was a thing though, that they were like, you know, you should maybe consider this because she's gonna be, you know, if she is born, she's gonna have abnormalities or whatever it may be, or and that's crazy to think about. Like, if you would have done that. Yeah. Like horrible, yeah. Like, what? Because now she's here, guys, and she is more than fine, let me tell you. She's at the San Diego State Fair right now. Okay, she lives her best life. She always they went um fishing at the bay last night. I mean, she she's always living her best life. Oh my god. I grew up coming. Well, we all as a family grew up coming here every summer to San Diego on vacation. It was always like a dream to live here. I w uh this is where I always wanted to be. Glad it worked out. But I tell Kenzie, she's you know, she's on Garnet every day because she goes to school in that area. I'm like, you live the life I always wanted growing up. She is taking your life. Yes. But Kenzie will say that she we we joke. She says that her mom, like, she just wants to be me. Yeah. She tells me that. We all do. I want to be her. Like you're out doing you're out doing the most all the time, living your life in San Diego. And yeah, you guys are lucky to live here. I hate that you live here though. I know. Likewise it gotta be. It would be a dream to live away to live uh closer. If we all lived in the same city, that would be ideal. Yeah, if I have any advice for anyone out there, if you have siblings, like live in the same state for God's sakes. If we lived in the same state, we don't have to catch a flight or we get to see each other a lot. I think we're blessed that we have the river house because I feel like before then we did see each other a lot less. Yeah. Now it's kind of like the middle point, and we can just meet up there and it's like you know, halfway point for all of us. Yes. But still, it sucks. Okay, so what do you think you've experienced both? Do you think the toddler years or the teenage years are harder? Ooh. Well, well, teenagers with Kenzie. Let's use Kenzie. Nevin is like a um Nevin didn't stress that as much. Yeah. He's a homebody. He likes to go do things too, but he was home a lot more. Yeah. Kenzie's out all the time. So I I worry a lot. Um, but yeah, the toddler stages, um, obviously it's fun, and I do miss that stage a lot. Yeah. But it's hard and exhausting. Yeah. Um, I just asked Courtney, she lost it today at Seaport. She's like, that's it. You're done the trip. Yeah. I'm like, always by the end of the trip, your kid, and especially you're gonna start your period, and then your kid's on one, and it's just like, bro, I am gonna freaking beat you from spiraling it was time to come home. Everyone was. My mom was yelling at her dog. My son flipped um my nephew's water on him, um, all over his new sweater. Yeah, the stroller flip fell over in the street. I didn't see that one, so I was like, okay, whatever. It was still a good day, though. So yeah, toddlers are so yeah. Toddlers are a lot. And teenagers are kind of like toddlers. But teenagers, like, you worry more. They're driving. They driving, they're driving, especially here in the big city, like they're on the freeways all the time. Like Kenzie just drove her and chase to Del Mar to the fair. Well, and I was thinking last night when I first thing I woke up this morning, like, did they get home? Like, what time did they get home? Like, oh, that's me. But you know, on the weekends, she has to wherever she's gonna be, either home or wherever she's staying. Um, she needs to be there by midnight. And I'm check I check her location to make sure she gets yeah, like I I don't really go to sleep until she's supposed to be. So it's very stressful. Especially um I'm a worry wart too. So yeah, she talks about me. She thinks I'm such a worry wart. But like I think you're a little worse than me. I don't think so. You gotta give me more credit. We'll see when Riv starts driving. When a river is like by a road of cars going fast. Yeah. We were literally just a dip in the sidewalk. But all it takes with that kid is he'll just freaking zoom. He just zooms off and oh my god. Yeah. Alright, well, what like what age would you do again if you could with your kids? I don't know why, but I always say that three was always my favorite age. And I think it's because they still have that baby in them, but they can talk to you. Yeah. And um, you can have little conversations with them. Yeah. Uh I don't know. I I always loved the age of three, but every age has something. Yes, but something cool and something not cool. Like Nevin just turning 21 and us all going to baby. That was cool. That was so fun. Oh, yeah. I can't even imagine that with the river. So yeah. I would say I'm very lucky my kids want us around for that. Oh, they just said that. So we had a taco truck last weekend for uh our nephew Chase's birthday out at the river house, and the taco guy was just saying, like, you're so blessed that like all of your nieces and nephews, like the grandkids, everybody wants to hang out. Like, this is what they choose to do, where they choose to be around you or include you guys. And I'm like, Yeah, we really are. But that just shows how cool we are. But we're like that with our parents. True. That's very true. So hopefully I used to want my parents to get away, go away. They were so annoying, leave me alone, and now it's like mom's not answering her phone. I'm like, where is she? And we're all calling each other. Yeah, speaking of worry words, this one. If if my mom or dad, my mom or dad. Mine don't answer their phone. Have you heard from them? Why aren't they answering? When they're sick, we're traveling. Yeah. On a freaking 10-hour plane ride to Russia or wherever the fuck they go, they're always going somewhere crazy. I'm like, on these tiny little planes. Like, come on. Well, my mom's been sick for about two weeks now. Oh my gosh. She says she's fine every day. Yeah. But she's been sick. And the other day I couldn't get a hold of her. And finally she answers. She goes, Jesus, you guys, I'm not dying. I'm like, whoa, how are we supposed to know? Yeah. Good God. Okay, so something that parents stress about now that they didn't back in your day, I'll answer this because I think it's huge. Is we've had this conversation, vaccines. Like you said back in your day, you just go to the doctor and they just whatever they do, you did. You know? They tell you what your kid needs and you do it. Yeah. You weren't Googling it. No. You weren't, they weren't saying that it was bad. Our generation is the opposite. And I'm kind of glad. I I'm glad for you because it's stressful. It is. You don't know what to do. Yeah. I mean, I I've never really talked about this on here. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm not a pro-vaxxer. I'm a I don't fucking know. Like, I don't know enough about any of this. And then if you research, there's always two sides to everything. And no, if you do this, you do that. And it's like, God dang, like, how do you make the right decision? Like, I'm not against anything, but I'm not. But there's too much information now that you don't know what to believe. So like Darien always says is doctors know. And I I agree with that to an extent. I think that some doctors, though, they like to push things, you know, big pharma, money. I don't know. I I I I don't know. Unfortunately. Our generation is a different yeah. And I I do feel bad for you. That you have that extra added stress now. Yeah. Of should I or shouldn't I? Yeah. This person saying this, this doctor's telling me this. My friend over here doesn't. Or my friend over here. 95% of my friends, like in that generation, are anti-vaxxers. And I'm not that way, but I'm like, I don't agree with all of them, but I don't yeah. So you just, yeah. I mean, back in your day, you just went and you did it. And I I'm I wish that I like, you know, lived through motherhood in a time where information wasn't so like easily accessible because there is a downside to that. Yeah. Or social media wasn't so prevalent back then in your day for like looking for your resources on things. Yeah. Oh, well, Sally just posted that her kid got five shots. So you know what I mean? Like, there's just so much that you everyone can say that they're not influenced by other people's like social media or what you see online, but you are. I even if you don't realize it, like you definitely are. Yeah, and you're questioning, like, oh, well, they just said this. I wonder if that's true, or I can look more into this. Well, and can you imagine by the time like well, I mean, your kids are already living it, but like the social media days, like by the time River is 16? Like, what's social media gonna be? Like, what are they gonna be on? These like floating, it's gonna be like floating airphones. Like, what what is social media gonna be by the time that my kid in like a decade? That's actually scary because these kids be getting into some shit. So she worry a lot. Yeah, see, here we go worrying again. Okay, so what do you think that is something that parents do the current day versus your day better? Like better than back in your generation.

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Ooh, that's a tough one. Yeah. It really is, actually. What do I think? Different times. I don't know.

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I would say maybe pushing back on things sometimes.

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Yeah.

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Probably advocating more. Yeah. Well, I don't know though. Sometimes it's not good. Sometimes people push too much, you know? But I don't know. That's a tough one. Yeah. That's a really tough one. I think some parents um are nowadays, they're like, you know, they're scared to discipline their kids, yeah. Hit their kids, or I mean, don't beat them. Am I? Am I scared? No, then no. People probably call it CPS on me. Now I protect River from you, like I used to protect you from mom. Oh my god. Kid needs a good spanking every once in a while, everyone. That's my truth for the day. Alright, so let's jump into your photography. I want to know because I can't really like even I don't know the answer to this. Like, how did you get into photography? What like made you want to do that? Hmm. Well. I've always loved taking photos for as long as I can remember. I was always that friend that was annoying because I took too many photos. You know, that's true. I had, you know, from film to the little point and shoot to digital. I I just have always loved taking photos because one day that's all you have. And I know like that sounds corny or whatever, but it's true. Um and I I think about this because one of the big things is pricing and how much you would pay for a photo session. Yeah. And I literally think um, like I'll ask you, like, think of a photo. Yeah. Like one photo that you love that's super important to you. Like it's your very favorite photo. Yeah. What would you pay for that photo? That kind of photo. It's priceless to have those, like just yeah, it is. Because they're moments, you know, like if they're done right, you know, and that's kind of what I was gonna talk about is like you're now in the generation of um, I'll just say it, where some photographers have come more like everything just needs to be aesthetic. Like, how's it gonna look aesthetically online or the color, the neutral, the this or that? And that's one thing I can say about you. Yeah, and the trend keeping up with the trends is that you've stayed in your lane and like your photography is so unique to you, and you really do just capture real moments instead of trying to think of what's gonna look good on a grid. And like it reflects because I hate pictures of myself. I really do, I hate it, but like I can see them right now in my head. The pictures of River and I that were just so spur of the moment, like she just captured him and I. It wasn't about like, okay, well, pose this way, do this, I need this to look right for social media or this or that. It was just River and I being River and I. And I freaking love them because it just I can look at those and go right back to that moment with him. And that's something that like I think a lot of photographers have lost because of social media, trends, um, you know, being influenced by other things that you see. And like, you know, I I would say you take definitely take pride in that, but that's gotta be difficult, right? It is hard because you get families that want, you know, the posed shots. Yeah. Which that's fine. And you know, I try to knock those out. Yeah. And that way you can we can just have fun. And I can capture you being you. Like I told you in River that or you on the beach that day. I was like, just let him have fun and do what he's gonna do. Like, don't don't get mad at him, or don't tell him like stop and smile, or just let him be him and let's capture that and let's capture this moment between the two of you. Yeah. And yeah, they're also, it's also one of my favorite sessions, honestly. And we were only there for like 25 minutes, and it wasn't this big, like drawn-out plan, and I didn't go on Pinterest and look up certain things. We just like, but that's the point, right? Yeah. It's more real, and that's that's like what I like to focus on um when I take photos, um, is I want to capture the real stuff. The stuff the stuff you're gonna be happy I captured, but in that moment you didn't know I captured it.

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Yeah.

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And you open up that gallery and it's like, oh my god. Yeah. And even if it's just like, say I deliver anywhere from 40 to 100 photos, it just depends. Yeah. Um, even if there's just one photo in there that's your fit gonna be your favorite photo for the rest of your life, then I know I did my job. Yeah. Well, and you you want to be able to look at those photos and it actually reflect like who your kid is. I don't want my I don't want pictures of River sitting on a rock smiling with his hand on his hip. That's not him. He's a maniac. Like he had the seaweed, that's him. Him playing in the sand, his freaking, he's got mud on, you know, like that's just I want to look at the pictures and see him, not like this what I'm trying to like put out to everybody. Yes. Because like, why would we want to do that of our kids? Like, I'm gonna look back 10 years from now and be like, what the fuck? Like, who is that little boy? No, I'm gonna look back and be like, oh, that's my little crazy motherfucker. Like, I I recently did a wedding last weekend, and I haven't even gone through every photo, but there's already one photo that sticks out to me, and it's not even of the bride and groom. Oh, you know what it is. It's the the bride's dad was behind me with his little point and shoot camera. Oh. And he was taking a picture of them. Oh, that's cute. While I was taking a picture of them, yeah. And someone even made a comment that's what the photographer's for, but I that doesn't bother me. I thought it was a sweetest, sweetest thing that that dad wanted a picture of his daughter like that. Well, and you're like showing a moment, right? Like that's a moment showing that dad's love or like admiration that he wanted to, you know. Like, I think that's what pictures, that's what they're supposed to do, that's what they're meant to do. And that's kind of a lost art these days in some of the situations. But you definitely do a very, very good job. But what's the like what makes your clients most memorable to you? Probably the ones that they show up, they let their kids be kids, yeah. Patient. Um they trust me. Yeah, they trust my vision. Um yeah, I mean, I have uh I guess honestly, too, the photos that like and I I am literally seeing these photos in my head right now, but the photos that stick out to me the most is when people show up as their true selves. Yeah. Whether it's um a family session or a senior session, um, even a wedding, like trends are cool, but when you are you plan your wedding around who the two of you are and what you love, um and it even from the decorations or whatever, it's just like it's who you are. Those are the things that stick out to me. That's that's to me more important than anything when you hire a photographer, like show up and be your true self. Yeah, don't wear something you don't ever wear, yeah, or that you're not comfortable in. Well, it's gonna reflect in the photo that you're like uncomfortable or awkward, you know? Yeah. But what's like okay, so what's the most like awkward or annoying things that people do that you shoot? Probably dads are tough sometimes because they don't want to be there. Um, but also I would say I guess the one thing that sticks out is family photos when you're like yelling at your kids and you're frustrated with them. Lord knows what happened leading up to it, yeah. You know, I I totally get it. Um, I've probably been one of those. But if you're if you show up annoyed and you're mad at your kids and they're upset, they were crying on the way, like it just shows. Yes, you're you're your photos aren't gonna turn out probably what you envisioned. Yeah. Not because it I mean, I'll I do my best, but it's it's uh it's tough when when you have that job. Yeah, yeah. So everyone listening, if you're getting your pictures taken, please act right. Don't be a fool, don't be fake. Show up as yourself. All right. Well, we're gonna end with some just funny, lighthearted rapid fires for her and I. So we're gonna ask who's more dramatic, you or me? I would say I could be more dramatic. I don't know. The older I've gotten, it's I think it's you. Who's more stubborn? Oof, we're like neck and neck with that one. Oh, that's tough. I would we're we're a lot alike, so yeah. Um, I I would say I would say you though. Just a little bit. I you got an edge on me. Maybe a little bit. Okay, who's more likely to be a crier? You. Me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. I never used to cry. Hormones, baby. Oh shit. This is a good one. Who's a better driver? My sister is a razor when she drives. I am also a razor, but she tops it. Yeah, I the stuff that comes out of my mouth is I don't even know. It's pretty bad. Every cuss word from the book just mixed together in like the perfect way at somebody. Like, she needs to be mic'd up when she's driving. Oh, yeah, I'd be I'd be famous. Okay, more likely to start an argument. You definitely you. Let's go. More likely to apologize first. Me. You. Yeah. More likely to forget why they walked into a room. One you she's like a squirrel. Most likely to get arrested accidentally. You probably me. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse, me. Not me. Yeah. Not her. She couldn't do it. Most likely to answer a text three days later. You. Oh, I'm the worst text. Yeah, but then if it's something if we're on it, yeah. Like remote back right away. That's the key. If any of you are listening and you text Courtney, like text something juicy, like real good, and then follow up. I'll be on it. Yeah, you gotta be. If it's boring or lame, three days you'll you'll hear from me. Okay, last two, and these are good. Mom's favorite. Moms don't have favorites. Well, you're her first. So there's a special place for you. Yeah. Everyone tries to all her baby. Yeah. So they try and the siblings try and say that it's me because I live there. Or oh, they try to give me cra I chose to live close to my parents. I was the smart one. But she might be like sick of me. Annoyed with you because you're there every day. True. That's true. Dad's favorite, me. Me. Well, he gets annoyed every both of us. He's dad's favorite, though. Yeah, dad has a like a yeah. Well, he calls me a buzzkill. He thinks I'm annoying. He has like his phases where he goes through like besties with diff with each of us. Yeah. Yep. Right now, probably Trevor because he lives in Blythe. Or Danielle. I don't know. Danielle cooked for him last night. So favorite. You cook for him. Yeah, gave him a favorite. But I'll be back tomorrow. So it's probably gonna be me. Well, we gotta get back to the the toddlers out here now with the hose. Yeah. And we're in the fire right here. We're in the fire zone. The dog is ready to play to throw the ball. So thanks. If you've made it this far, thank you for listening to us. I hope you gained some insight on my sister, photography, growing up together, a relationship between siblings that are 12 years apart, all the things. Old kids, young kids. Yeah. I hope, I hope you enjoyed. And next week, I will be back. I'm not gonna tell everyone from now on who's gonna be on or if I'm gonna have a guest. I feel like it's more fun this way for it to be like sporadic. So next week, will I have a guest? Maybe, or maybe not. You're gonna have to listen to find out. So I will talk to you all next week. Say bye to Natalie. Bye, everyone.