EP 20: Marriage, Medicine & Everything In Between | Aubree Chesnut, PA-C

In this episode, I sit down with my wife, Aubree, for a candid and fun conversation answering your most requested questions. We share the story of how we met, what we've learned through marriage and parenthood, our perspectives on health, beauty, and family life, and the daily habits that help keep us connected and growing together.

From relationship advice and parenting lessons to rapid-fire questions and behind-the-scenes stories, this episode offers an authentic look into our life beyond the clinic. Whether you're looking for practical insights, a few laughs, or simply want to get to know us better, this conversation is packed with honest reflections and memorable moments.

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TIMESTAMPS 
00:00 - Intro
02:18 - How It All Started
08:45 - Marriage Through Medicine
28:12 - Parenting and Family Life
48:38 - Being Married to a Facial Plastic Surgeon
58:20 - Health, Fitness, and Lifestyle
1:04:36 - Rapid Fire
1:13:52 - A Message to Our Kids
1:17:09 - Outro
 
ABOUT HOST 
Dr. Cameron Chesnut is the host of the 5 Codes podcast and the founder of Clinic 5C, where he leads a team dedicated to integrative cosmetic surgery, regenerative medicine, and functional health. An internationally recognized facial plastic surgeon, Dr. Chesnut is known for producing natural, refined results that enhance rather than alter one’s appearance. His approach blends surgical precision with biological optimization and disciplined restraint, drawing patients from around the world who value excellence, longevity, and holistic care. On 5 Codes, Dr. Chesnut uncovers the mindsets and evidence-backed strategies he lives by, helping high performers perform better, recover smarter, and feel their best in every area of life. 
 
DISCLAIMER 
The views shared on this podcast are my own and are not associated with, affiliated with, or representative of my clinical teaching role at the University of Washington School of Medicine. This content is for general educational purposes only and should not be considered individualized medical advice.

Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Five Codes Podcast, where we discuss evidence-based methods to elevate yourself to the next level through optimizing the way you look, move, perform, feel, and connect. On today's episode of the Five Codes Podcast, we have the most special of special guests. It's my wife, Aubrey. Every question I asked came from you guys, from the audience, from my network. And we get into everything from our origin story, how we met, to some pretty deep questions about what it's like being married to me, pros and cons, and into how we raise our kids, what she does herself, what procedure she's had done all the way through the lineup into some really fun, rapid-fire questions at the end. And, you know, we definitely had some fun, playful banter and answered some deep questions and it forced us to think a little bit too. Maybe our kids will watch this someday. And that was one of the ending questions in here. So I hope you enjoy a true window into our inside life. This was very much put on her as sort of a last-minute idea, and I'm very grateful that she jumped in and everything you see is very raw and unrehearsed. And I hope you really enjoy it. My wife, my love, my best friend, welcome to the Five Codes Podcast. I'm very excited to have you here.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

There's a little backstory here, which is um I asked you when if you would do this with me. Yesterday. Yesterday. And uh you said, I will do it if.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

You helped me prepare.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

And I said, Can we do it tomorrow? And here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Here we are. With no prep.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

But here I still am.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I love it. This is this is gonna be you guys are getting a very raw, real. Actually, the all the questions that I have here as I'm looking down on my iPad were from the world. Like this is this is questions that people had for you and for me. Um, we have a little how it started, marriage through medicine, parenting and family life. We kind of group some of these questions together, being married to a facial plastic surgeon, health fitness lifestyle, a rapid fire, and a closing question. And so I literally wrote none of these questions. These are coming from the world for us, you and I,

How It All Started

SPEAKER_00 2:18

together. And the first section is how it all started. Um how did you meet? And a brief background for both of you. How did we meet?

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Well, we were in high school.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

My friend talked me into playing golf. I was a freshman, freshly 15 years old, never played golf in my life. And so I came in, was learning, and then we had this stud senior golfer who was headed for a D1 golf scholarship. And he quickly took me under his wing. Yeah. Helped me learn to play golf. That was me, yeah. Um and I don't know, kind of snowballed from there.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yeah, the real backstory to that is a little bit of we'd had known each other for a long time in some capacity, growing up in the same small town in northern Idaho. Um, family connections, school connections, and you're a little younger than I was, a couple years younger. And so until we were paid no attention to me. I paid no attention to you. I mean, you were like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

I was too long, too young.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

But by the time we got in high school, you were the best athlete to ever come out of our area. Um, I was doing my thing, and you you were cute, right? Now here we are on the same team, and I was like, this girl's got potential. So took you, took you under my wing, as we say. Um, and yeah, that's how we met, and we uh dated through the beginning of college for me. Both went our separate ways during college, right? We're both division one athletes doing our thing, and then kind of reconnected afterwards when I was in medical school and you finished college playing basketball. Um, but going back, someone also asked us who made the first move. This is debatable.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

That's debatable. I would say that it's kind of a he said, she said conflicting story.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

I think you made the first move. Very much. Well, okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

I slightly disagree. However, uh-huh, I was 15 and I probably had no idea what I was doing, and so I maybe was like reading signals and weren't there. Who knows? I don't know, but you're welcome.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Aubrey was 15 and I was 17 years old at this time, as far as assuming that that first move, our first date was 26 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

No.

unknown 4:42

No.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Really?

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Is that all right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Really?

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Yeah. 26 years ago. More than 26 years ago. So that's kind of cool. Um why didn't this is I'd assume this is for both of us. Why did you go from being an athlete into medicine and or what made you both go into medicine? This is a fun fact for people that don't know. Um, Aubrey is a PA, a physician assistant, and went to school while I was in my residency and fellowship training um at UCLA. You were in PA school. What made us go from athlete to medicine?

SPEAKER_01 5:17

I feel like you should answer that question first.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Okay. Um, well, for me, it was I had a background as an athlete, which is really important to me as a kid. Definitely kind of like my set my trajectory and path through life. I think are probably similar for you. Gave me goals, gave me motivation. That's my nutrition background from my mom was kind of like merged with this athletic side, which made me want to kind of listen to her, basically. Um, and I learned that I performed better. And so it was just this path of like honest, honestly, like consequences, like good decisions, good consequences, and I had goals and I grew. And uh it was actually probably completely separate from medicine for me at least. I had explored paths in life and I explored nutrition. I was in my undergraduate major. Um, but then also knowing that like medicine was there as a background, and even when I got into medicine, I wasn't even 100% sure what I was gonna do, right? I knew that I loved solving three-dimensional problems with my hands, um, and I loved the science of it. And so now my life is really a merging of all those things, quite literally. It's the things I took away from athletics in preparation, execution, recovery, nutrition, um, that part of my nutrition life, my three-dimensional problem solving, my like values of like excellence and ingenuity and innovation and growth, and it all just kind of gets fulfilled by it. So I wouldn't say that I like transition, I would say honestly, I'm still an athlete and I still behave and prepare that way. Um so I didn't, it wasn't a transition, it was sort of emerging for me a little bit. What about for you?

SPEAKER_01 6:49

It's good. Um, the reason I wanted you to go first is because I think for me, I had considered medicine, but I didn't have much exposure growing up. Um, my family did different things, and you know, you hear about becoming a doctor or whatever, and the training is forever.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

And that seems very daunting, and I think it is for a lot of people, but um I really enjoyed in college. I was a kinesiology major.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

And I enjoyed sciences and learning about the body and I think athletics and those things go together very well. Um, but then I got to witness you going through medical school and what that was like, and just kind of understanding what the PA program would be like a little bit more and what a future in that would look like. And so ultimately I took a little bit longer to decide.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Um, but it seemed like it would complement our life very well, and it was a great choice. It was a great choice.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Yeah. And I got to watch you go through school, which was a bit eye-opening, because people actually ask ask you a little bit about the opposite. But um, I got to watch you go through PA school when I was like way further along the process, I guess. I was nearing fellowship and you know, kind of like my ultimate path. And it was a bit eye-opening to watch you go through PA school um and like see how quickly you were learning essentially the same things I learned in medical school. You know, kind of like medical school's four years, arguably should be three, three and a half, based off of like you do a lot of interviewing at the end, and but you guys kind of crammed it into two years and like fire hosed it, in my opinion. It was intense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that that's a I got to appreciate kind of being on the other end a little bit as you were doing that. And then ironically, you finished before I did and started working um in aesthetics, right? And that's I think we're gonna talk about that here a little bit later, um, because that's a really common uh question about like working together or kind of what you do. But um, you know,

Marriage Through Medicine

SPEAKER_00 8:45

you had a good transition into this is you know, the this idea of marriage being married through medicine, which I just touched on a little bit too. Um, and some people asked some questions about this, which was how did you maintain the health of your relationship during medical school and during residency?

SPEAKER_01 9:03

It's a very good question. Um, I think early on, when we had no kids, right and we were both kind of like head down grinding a little bit, and we had time to mostly when we were in LA, um, we would go play beach volleyball at night. And we talk about this often, how we'd like tiptoe back into our apartment and like start the oven where something was like ready to be cooked and wash the sand off. And um, so we got to spend time together that way, even though the whole day we were apart apart and learning, and um but we got to just have some good intentional time doing things that we really enjoyed together. Yeah, um, so that was great. And then um I think you know kids come to the picture later, and it wasn't never like rainbows and butterflies all the time. We definitely had to work hard to stay connected and um had a lot of growing pains and things like that too. But I think we both were committed to working through for sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

So yeah, just to paint this picture a little bit, we played a lot of beach volleyball when we lived in LA, like six to seven days a week. Um and we played individually uh high levels and we played together often, and we lived right by the Santa Monica Pier. And the pier was a real famous court in the area at night because it had lights, right? And so people would come from all over to play at the pier. We lived, what, three blocks away from it, if that, and uh and the pier lights turned off, right? It was at nine or ten o'clock. Nine o'clock, yeah, yeah. And so most of our nights consisted of go do our thing, go home to work, um, come home, set the oven up or whatever we had for food, go play volleyball until the lights turned off, come home sandy, click it on, hop in the shower, eat dinner at 9 15. And then if we had to like kind of read or whatever, that was like we had time afterwards, which honestly assumes like this beautiful simplicity to our life. We'd surf in the mornings before work. It's a great life then. For sure. Because I feel the iron what I'm getting at in this question is I feel like people often like, how did you do residency and and um fellowship? And you know, I've worked especially in fellowship, worked a lot of hours. I was we didn't have our our we have three kids for everybody that doesn't know three kids. We have a 12-year-old son, um, a 10-year-old daughter, and a nine-year-old daughter, but our son was born towards the end of fellowship. And so in my fellowship time, I was like, I knew he was on his way and I was really cramming time in there. Um, little did I know that when we had him, I thought it was gonna be like over for me, basically, but what didn't work out that way, it was like, oh, great, he's here, time off, and now like I still got to kind of like finish grinding, I guess, and fellowship a little bit. So, which was total bonus time for me, to be honest. Um, but you know, those times honestly were probably simpler than if I were asking this question, I'd be like, How did you survive the starting of a practice and you know, kind of growing? And like that's when you know, those those times were much simpler. We kind of joke, we talk about this often too. We lived in what was it 530 square feet? Yeah, with a studio in Santa Monica, and it was beautiful. Everything we ever needed lived in that space, right? There was nothing, even including a a child at one point with us. For sure. So I thought that was uh, you know, it was the after that was I think harder than even residency and fellowship were even with the hours and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Just uh it was simple.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

It was like an objective. Yes, you were working a lot, yes, you were whatever, but it's like you know, like simple path forward.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

For sure. I think yeah, it was much easier than I don't know if anyone paid attention to how old our kids are, but they all came very quickly. Yeah, yeah, they did. So when we were building a practice, we had a lot of young little babies that were connected to me in all ways. Yeah, literally and figuratively. So those times I think were definitely more trying for us that we had to work hard to you know keep our priorities straight and evaluate all the time and make you know, fine-tune and make adjustments and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah. Yeah. But are you both able to leave work at work?

SPEAKER_01 13:10

I'm good at that.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 13:13

Kind of. I'm kind of good at that. You are pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Oh. Yeah. That's not what I thought you were gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

We both work in medicine, but we both are pretty involved in the business. Um I like to be involved with our people and our staff, and so there are definitely times where I need to talk to you about something and I have to do it at home.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Um, and same for you. But I think we have grown a lot in that way too, where we can kind of like set something aside, but we also know like we might need a little bit of time on a particular day and we talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

But yeah, I think we respect boundaries well, but from an entrepreneurial, honestly, and from a medicine standpoint, it's something we we do talk about often. That's true. Um, I don't this I thought you were gonna say something different because when I if I were to rate myself on this, it's like I don't ever leave work at everything like even the workout we did this morning. I'm thinking about my next surgery, right? So I'm never like actually leaving work at work. It's always like, but it's just part of our life and lifestyle. And like, again, that like um for me it's a value system thing of like I I value those, I value being at my best. I value excellent results. I'm obsessed with the results I produce and the relationships I create. And so I don't I don't feel like I ever actually leave it. I'm never like not thinking about that is true, what's next.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

There are definitely times that you start to stare at me, and I know you're not like actually talking to me, and you're like, wait a minute, how could I do this, you know, access a little bit better? And you're like imagining my anatomy and what you would do. So I, you know, there are those moments and things like that too, but I think for the most part, although you are maybe recovering while also chatting with our kids and doing things like that, yeah. There's there's ways you can bring work in and still be present in our life.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

For sure. Yeah, I'm a visualizer, for sure. Sorry, visualized on you, but sometimes I just think of something and kind of like to run with that. Um how do you keep your relationship fresh and fun?

SPEAKER_01 15:13

I mean, I think uh we are just fun. We're just fun people.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Aubrey's a seven-wing eight for anybody that needs to know on the Enneagram, which is if anybody knows.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

But I'm like the more reserved side of that.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yeah, you are the more reserved side. But when you get to know somebody, you are you've got them dialed and you are ready to like I don't know if entertain them's the right word, but you like they're you're ready to engage them in a way that was meaningful to them. You are fresh and fun, basically.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Thank you. So are you?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Um, but I would say we enjoy doing a lot of things together. Um and although you work very hard and we have kids and a busy life and all of those things, we also play pretty hard. Um so when we travel or we're surfing, skiing, doing whatever we're doing, I feel like it just keeps it kind of fresh and fun.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah, there's a lot going on. Like most of our travel is surf-based or ski-based.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Activity-based for sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Activity-based. We had this question in our home group last night. It was the do you want a itinerated relaxed vacation, or do you want to kind of fly by the seat of your pants stuffed vacation, which it's a no-brainer for me? I know you're a little bit more neutral.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

No brainer. Yes. I need both.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I want to play hard, but then I need to like relax and enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Oh yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

I want to go hard and then but I can't just sit around and not explore the place that I'm in.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Otherwise, why'd you go there? Exactly. Right. Yep. Agree. Um, okay. How do you handle an all or nothing personality, like an all-in personality?

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Ooh, an all-in personality. Yeah. That is you, for sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Um, yeah, because that's again, that's based off so social media perception of me. Is that correct? For sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

You're not a big dabbler.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Not a dabbler, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

That's true. Um I think mostly I do pretty well because I think I align with it relatively well. I guess when it comes to activities, I really enjoy the things you like. I mean, you might be like all in, and I'm like mostly in, and I might need a break, and you will give me that. Um But I don't know, I think I handled it pretty well. Um I think you've also learned to appreciate that not everyone is all in all the time. And so you can respect that whether it's me or our kids or our friends or whoever, um that they might not have that same all in mentality as you because that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

I kind of secretly think a lot of people do have an all-in generally in something. Maybe that's not the right way to say it, but there's always something that they're how about we're just really passionate about.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

But sometimes you just gotta find what that thing is. So even when somebody's like, I tend to gravitate towards all in people, like all in, all out, let's go. Um it's one of my maybe the hardest things as a parent when I, you know, I want that for my kids because I think it's like a very spicy part of life for me in a good way. Um but yeah, I think I feel like it's there. You just gotta seek it out sometimes. When somebody seems like they're maybe not all in, and like I I love asking the people this question is like the tinfoil hat question, you know, like what do you kind of like think differently than other people about? Like you gotta put your tinfoil hat on so the aliens can't read your brain. Like, what are you a little crazy about? Like um, and then you find real quick, like, oh yeah, you got some spice in there too, you got some all in. I don't know. I like that. Um yeah, definitely live that way. And I know it's not always easy, so thank you.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Yeah. I mean, I think you just have the capacity to take things to another level that not everyone has, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah, kind of I that's part of honestly my value system. Back to that is like I have a value of like just being I like to be excellent at things that I do, um, which comes with like jujitsu, prime example for me, starting old, old in the jujitsu world in my 30s from scratch, no grappling background, the white belt mentality we call it. Like you go in, I was like, I was I didn't know what I was doing, you're not good at it. You're but it's I think when people hear the like a value for excellence and liking to be excellent and good at things that you do, that implies that if you're not good at it, you quit it. Um, and that's what I don't want to be and I don't do. Like, I I don't stop doing things, I just like find my route to get better at them, and then it teaches me how to be better at other things that are really important to me, like surgery. Um, jujitsu definitely taught me that, but it was like maybe one of the harder journeys I've ever been on, just because metaphorically and physically, right? You're like getting beat up, you're getting knocked down, check your ego at the door, you gotta like do your thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Which is another time I found myself in headlocks and arm bars and things randomly, even through a totally different discussion. I'm like, I know.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Well, when you just said the thing about like me visualizing surgery on the biggest thing, I'm not sure. I was thinking about jujitsu too, but I didn't say it at the time. Yeah. Oftentimes I'm like, I'll be looking at you and you're thinking about how you're gonna how you could choke me, aren't you? In a good way. And then I love that you always joke that you were a three-stripe white belt via all the time you spent practicing with me.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

You told me I was a two-stripe white belt. Oh, I think three. Oh, three. Okay. Three-stripe white belt. I took one away because I don't practice enough.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Yeah, there you go. Um, okay. It this is a kind of to me, then a question for you. It's amazing that you invest a lot of time into yourself and getting into your flow state for surgery. Do you ever feel like you're left out?

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Ooh, do I?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Uh that's a good question. Of his f of your flow state before surgery? Not at all. Okay. Only because I feel like you've been very good at you wake up incredibly early, and I don't want to wake up that early. And so you are gone and do your thing. Mostly you do that at work. Um, actually, just recently though, you do that a little bit more at home where you can still see our kids or me and everybody in the morning too. And so I feel like then you invite any of us in, whether you're in the sauna or anything like that. So I wouldn't say I ever felt left out because I feel like you were gone for work. Yeah. And kind of doing your thing and preparing yourself, and I know how important that is to you. Um, but now that you do that at home sometimes, I feel like you're open to having us around too. You don't just like shut us out.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Yeah. It's a very protected thing for me, interestingly. And so it's been um since we've been moving our practice closer to home in court allane, and I've been like dabbling, I actually kind of alternate days is what I've been doing now. Like days like in my whole it's a physically and metaphorically kind of dark place that I go to get ready, just like I would before a race or an event or a you know, a sporting event. Um and at home, it's different, it's brighter metaphorically and physically. And like if I'm in the sauna under the red lights, doing Doing my like visualization and our sun pops in, the sauna and sits with me. It's like this. I didn't know honestly how it would go over, but it seems to be this like this like a lift, actually, to the whole process, like a gift. So it's been kind of fun to do that at home. And I do this, I think that this is a theme later too. Is uh I saw a lot of questions that came through on social media just about like how you do these things with family, how you stay disciplined, how you do a flow state, how you train and exercise. And um, I even had a person say, like, once my family's awake, I feel guilty doing anything like that. And you kind of hit on one of my secrets that's always been I kind of view my time in the morning before everybody's awake, which may be literal or metaphorical, like just is like that's if I have things that are for my personal progression, my work progression, physical fitness, whatever, I'm doing them then. If I don't do it then, there's no guarantee it's gonna happen, right? Because then the day starts and my life belongs to, you know, you guys and career and other responsibilities. But there's this protected time in the morning that's like, you know, your best time, basically. What are you doing with it? And um, any of those, like anything that's of high value tends to happen, like um there that needs to happen. It's gonna happen then, basically. So flow state's always kind of f fallen into that on those surgery days, because I mean, you could speak to it, I get relatively useless on a surgery day.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

I mean, I don't know about useless, but I know that your headspace shifts and you want to be your best. And obviously, as a patient, I hope that they hope you're at your best too. Right, right. Um, and so I think you really value treating each patient like with everything. Yeah, I mean just giving them everything you have. Um exactly. Um so I do think that you know, we try to do more like simple home cooked meals, like a little quieter nights, which honestly doesn't happen all the time if our kids have sports and different things, and so um everyone knows that you're just gonna be a little more tapped, and we have we have a little bit more of a quiet night. But typically I think that's probably good for everyone because we are just kind of a go-hard family all the time. So it just kind of builds into our life, or maybe we just need to have like a quiet family dinner and an earlier bedtime or whatever that is.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Yeah. Let's see. What's the easiest and hardest thing? That's two questions. What's the easiest thing and what's the hardest thing about being married to me?

SPEAKER_01 24:45

You the easiest and hardest thing. Well, I would say the easiest part is you are genuinely my favorite person. So I like spending time with you, whether it's like Thanks, babe. We go work out. You're welcome. Um or you know, just whatever we're doing. Like it's it's fun. We don't just like sit around, we do like I don't know, constantly doing something stimulating or fun or active or things like that. Um the hardest part probably has been how driven you are, which then sometimes makes us feel like we maybe like take a step down in a priority level. Um but I think we're way better at that just as we've kind of like learned and grown through um just through our marriage, and we're just able to communicate those things better because I know like you have a hectic surf or surgery week. Um and we might not get as much of your time that week, but I know it'll be made up for later, or you know, the time we get'll just be like a quality small bit of time or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Maybe the hardest question in here, I don't know, maybe that was the hardest question, but um, what's something you deeply admire about your spouse that most people never see?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

And I think this is interesting because I do if anybody follows my stories on Instagram at least, I've it's pretty authentic and real. So people s I guess see a lot. Um, but what's the thing you admire most that people never see?

SPEAKER_01 26:18

That's a good question. Yeah. You know, one of the things I would say would be that you're always like evolving, changing, making things better. And I do think that people see that to some degree, but I even when we're talking about how you might start to, you know, figure out how to do some sort of jujitsu move on me or you know, perfect some surgical thing or think about something, you do that with the rest of our life too. Um so whether it's our kids or our cooking meals or whatever it is, um, I think you're just always looking for ways to make our lives better and um just kind of inviting us, the kids and I, into those things and I don't know, it's hard to explain, but uh you're never satisfied. I think you're just like always looking to grow and be better. And I think in the process we follow your lead and do the same.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Thanks, but that makes me feel very seen.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Um and it's interesting that you said never satisfied because I actually do feel it's not driven by dissatisfaction. I do and I don't And that might have been the wrong word.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

I just mean um I'm actually quite satisfied, and I it's more back to these like core values. The reason I say it makes me feel seen is because if I were to like list out my core values that like growth and innovation, kind of what you hinted at, would be two of maybe my even my five core values, my five codes. Um those would be two of the big ones. And so and leadership is in there too, um, you know, with our kids. And so that like I said, that makes me feel very seen because those are it's me living out my core values, really. Um and I do, yeah, whether anything. I just it's how it's how I roll, I guess. Um so thanks. You ready

Parenting and Family Life

SPEAKER_00 28:12

for a new section, Aubrey?

SPEAKER_01 28:13

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Okay, here we go. We're moving on to parenting and family life. A group of questions here. Um, how do you balance both being in medicine with parenting?

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Good question.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah, this is yeah, a lot of facets to this one.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

There are. I schedule my medicine life around our kids. So I work when they're at school or those sorts of things. So for us, it's easier because I can be the default, you know, parent that if we have to travel or if I have to cancel my schedule or something, it's easier for me to do that or just be there before and after school and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

So this question isn't even really on here, but I think it's an important point to clarify. Um, I think it will be surprising to people. What is your medical practice like? What do you do?

SPEAKER_01 29:00

That will be surprising.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Um, I guess for all intents and purposes, I'm an injector.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yes, which is not a bad word. It's not a bad word. No.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

I think some people think that you might think it's a bad word. Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

What are you an injector of? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Um, I do a lot of neuromodulator. I do a lot of minimally invasive cosmetics. I do use filler on occasion. I used to use it more. We have gotten a lot more educated about those things. Um, so we're much more selective with those things, but in general, they are not all bad. Um, but you know, fat transfers, lasers, different things like that. Um, but for the most part, I get to talk to people and kind of evaluate where they're at that like look at aging changes, educate people on aging changes. Um, and I have you, and we have other great surgeons and other providers that provide great services. So even if I don't see that patient or treat that patient, I guess, um, I have really great people to hand them off to. So I get to be in kind of a cool situation where maybe I do nothing, maybe I just talk, maybe we talk for a year before they move on to something else, or five years or ten years, or something like that. I definitely have people that have, you know, been in my pipeline that long that have then taken a step up to see you or Dr. Kelm or someone else.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Um and so that's kind of cool. I get to just be a part of the journey and I might see some of your patients later and just kind of do some maintenance treatments and things like that. So um it's been fun. It's super interesting. I think the whole world, like of I mean, of cosmetics, evolves and changes all the time. So that's been fun to kind of ride that wave too.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yeah, because I think the interesting part is um just so that everybody knows, it's like we I'm we're not like working together. We don't like see patients together. When we're at work, rarely do we even like see each other, right? Like you have a very independent practice that's yours, um, and you do what you want, and you do do some filler, right? Correct. Um, and you but I think you're just the prime example of somebody who um has a deep understanding and knowledge of the most progressive parts of this like filler world, whether it's hyaluronic acid filler or biostimulants, you know all about them, and you have zero bias essentially as to whether the person goes through like a filler journey or whether they're better for somebody else, because in your practice, you it's it's all the same to you, right? Um, you don't need the revenue off of filler, filler, filler. And so it's funny to see that you're because you don't need that revenue, that that you find some people it's the right choice, right? Sure. And a lot of people it's not. And so it's just interesting to me. They're like, when you remove the revenue model from it, for it's interesting, like, oh, an injector who is quite conservative with filler, basically, because you don't need it to make money, basically.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

For sure. I think patients are surprised how often I say no or recommend something different, or um and I can just can afford to be honest with them, which is not everyone's situation. Right. Um, so that's been kind of fun for me because I do think it builds great rapport and great trust with my patients.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

So you get to truly do what's right for them without that sort of bias in either direction, which is interesting because you know I get the anti-filler thing, obviously, which is always not a con it's not a conflict between us at all. It's just like a dialogue, I guess, right? Um, and the things that I see and know, I can't not know and deny. Like I do think that filler causes inflammation, that it lasts longer than we think, and that it's harder to dissolve. All the things, right? Like you're not gonna convince me otherwise. I see it all the time. Um, and you get to live in that space with me. I do um but also as somebody who uses it as a tool and like just but does it with that understanding. Because this is I sorry, just to tie this up, this is my big message, I think, to the world is that filler is not bad. It's the intent with which it's being used, who it's being used on, and what the understanding behind it is. So when you use filler, you understand that it's a semi-permanent implant. So I'm putting words in your mouth, but you know, that it's a semi-permanent implant and it's gonna do its thing for a long, long time. And it might, you know, that they don't call it migrate anymore, call it move from where it was originally placed, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Yeah, I mean, I think it's about like quantity duration, location, all of the things that you have to take into account. But there are times I use it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

So it's a great tool. It is a great tool. When it's properly understood, it's a great tool.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yes, and I think it's very hard to get past the immediate gratification of like, wow, that looks really good.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

And come back in six months or a year and we'll do it again. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

But then, you know, even if you don't do that, like what is good, what's gonna happen in five years or ten years or three years or whatever it is. And so I think not only considering like the immediate future, but you know, down the road too.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

I think in full transparency, when you and then I started practicing, you were doing it before I was. Yeah. Um, I don't think that we knew some of those things from the it was like, you know, like the first 24-month product or 25 months product came out like right as you started your career. Um, and but little did we know that that 25 months is really more like 25 years, you know, like we just didn't know that. And we also didn't know, like, oh, what does Kirtroff filler look like 10 years down the road? Nobody had any idea, and now we know, and it's like it's not great, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Can be bad.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Yeah. So even when it's really well done and put in the perfect spot and the perfect amount, and the like time passes and it does not look good afterwards, right? So, anyway, it's just interesting that you've been through that. You've been doing it longer than I have in that evolution of things. So you are a really unique example of what I wish all injectors had, which is just like a realistic understanding of the products they're using and the a lack of the bias that like this is the only way I eat is if I keep putting filler in people, right? Yeah, or keep tightening their necks with a device that's not gonna do anything or whatever it may be, right? So, anyway, that wasn't a question. Thanks for going on that tangent with me. Um, because we are in um parenting and family life, and that was the how do you bounce being in medicine with parenting? Um, for me, that question is um a little bit integral too, of just like I take my roles of father very seriously. Um I put a lot of thought and effort into it, however you want to count it, thinking about it, doing it, reading about it, um, executing it, whatever it is. And it's um I love passing on advice that a nine, 10, and 12-year-old don't love to listen to. But like, you know, you start to we start to see that, you know, they hear things and um, but mostly they emulate, right? And so for me, medicine is one of my outlets of like just uh my value system for them. Like not all of them know how seriously I take it and how fun it is and how serious and how stressful. Like they know all the things, there's no hiding it from them. And so um it's been cute to watch their evolution of just like honestly, they're wildly supportive of it, you know. Yeah, they are. Yeah, like daddy, you're the best surgeon. I'm like, thanks. No, you are thanks, nine-year-old. Yeah, I know. But I you know, it's like they see the effort, and so they I which I think in is a mirror of how we encourage them to when they work hard for things, right? So um how do you get your kids to eat healthy and be healthy?

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Oh that's tough. I mean, I think it starts with just being an example of how what you want to do. We definitely talk about it, but we also talk about why. Um over the top of the way. Why we over the top.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

I think we talked about insulin levels yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:48

This is true.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Um I get a lot of questions when you're not around to um so sometimes we have to simplify a little bit. But I think they just have a greater understanding now of why it's not just like that's bad for you, do this. Um, however, they're kids, and so they certainly like eat food we don't want them to eat at their friend's house or you know, those sorts of things. We also will have like treats and different things in certain situations, so it's not it's not really an all or nothing situation for us too. I think we just try to pick and choose when those things are more meaningful or more valuable, but yeah. Um they mostly buy in. It's hard.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I mean it's hard definitely to I see it as like like the should we tell the real story that last night we found like paraphernalia in our house.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Paraphernalia, like a Dr.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Pepper.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Part of a drink and Dr. Pepper in our house. And I like internally exploded. Like, where did this come from? How did who like, and you know, our one of the kid that drank it would like admitted it, and I only had part of it, and I'm like, how does this and then I know how it happens, of course I know how it happens, but it was um it's one of those like yeah, I did the same thing when I was their age, you know. Yeah, so it's um it's not all rainbows and puppy dogs and perfect, and our kids are like, you know, doing push-ups and drinking protein shakes, you know, but for the most part, that's they don't really ever have those things. And so it's um a little bit of like, and you know, we don't when was the last time we had that uh decades ago, right? And so it's a little bit of uh, you know, trying to lead by example, but I I think where I was going with this is really that I do believe that the seeds that we're planting with a lot of effort, honestly, um, and a lot of conversations and a lot of patience and a not a lot of not blowing your top when you see the Dr. Pepper in your house are I see little bits of them coming to fruition already. Yeah, you know, um they understand, and eventually it's just a matter of time before they choose what they're gonna do, you know, and they'll at least they'll be choosing with all the information on the table. Because again, I try not to explode because we don't want anything to be like forbidden, but we want them to understand why Dr. Pepper's not the best choice, you know.

unknown 39:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Anyway, so and otherwise I think they are super active, play a lot of sports, they're always outside.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Yeah. And and when they're we're listening to, you know, podcasts yesterday about because of summertime now, they're out of school, and it's like, here's why you should get morning sunlight in the first 30 to 60 minutes. Like they're getting exposed to everything, you know, knowing about their sleep, and um it'll be interesting as they you know continue to develop. I think I I would imagine they'll follow a similar path that we did. It's like as the as they start getting more and more into sports, if that's a thing, they'll be they'll care more and more about their performance and they'll have all the knowledge and tools there already. Um, here's a deep one. How do you talk to and raise young daughters around beauty, self-worth, and appearance when you're a facial plastic surgeon and your career is centered on aesthetics?

SPEAKER_01 39:49

That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

This is a applicable question to you as well.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Yeah. Um it's very I have a very simple answer to this off the top. That's um the work that I do in aesthetics is never changing somebody from anything that they ever were, right? It's not, it's not even really there, there's nothing like there's these ideas of like beautifying things. Um I'm really thinking about restoring. And in maybe some ways that beautifies or adds youth back or whatever. Youth's not an issue for our girls. Beauty's not an issue for our girls in the way, you know, like I'm not changing something that didn't exist before. So when it comes to a nine and a 10-year-old, um, you know, I'm restoring people to a way that they feel internally, and I want those things to match for our daughters too, who are both very like spunky, young, you know, like vibrant, you know, energetic, beautiful little girls. I want those things to match internally and externally. And as time goes on, those things start to, you know, decouple a little bit. And so I view my practice very much as restoring that, that putting those things back in line, restoring alignment of like how you're feeling with what you're seeing in the mirror, which has nothing to do with what sort of God gave you and has everything to do with how age has affected you over time a little bit. Um, and so I I talked, I was talking to one of our daughters about this last night, as you know, like makeup conversations start coming up, and and uh like, you know, just as this simple question, what why do you wear makeup? And just like watching her process that answer that she didn't really even know. Well, because my cousin wore it, you know, that's the real answer. But it's like, well, why are you wearing it? What is this doing? What are you trying to accomplish? And so that's a micro conversation of this big deep question is like, you know, there was at no point is she like it makes me feel more beautiful. That's not that's not where she's at with it at all. It's just, you know, part of this like cultural thing growing up. She sees older girls doing it. But when I asked her why are you wearing it, she doesn't have an answer for that. There's not like it's not lacking in her self-confidence or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

That's true. I mean, I think their whole lives we've been talking about how important it is about who you are on the inside and being kind and being gracious and all of those qualities that we want them to have throughout their life. Um, one of our daughters is much more interested in makeup and doing her hair and all the things, which is fine. It's like a very normal thing for a girl to go through, but I think we really encourage her to just understand and be confident in who she is and to treat people well. And although she is very beautiful, yeah, she that's not the most important thing about her. She's also very smart and she's kind and she works hard and all of those things. Um, our other daughter could care less. I have to like force her to brush her hair every day. So we're gonna work on that. Curly hair for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, but I think it will be probably more and more challenging as they get into their teen years too. Um, but I think it just starts with a lot of open dialogue and for you to kind of say why you do the things you do, like you just said. Um, and I'm not overly like I mean, I'm girly enough, but I'm not like so into all of those things either that I will happily show up with my hair up and minimal to no makeup and yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Yeah, my actual conversation with her last night went a little bit along the lines of like you've been sort of like blessed with this beauty, and that's great. You didn't earn it, you didn't control it, it just is was it's yours, right? Um, and it will fade, it will change. And so, like to put I was telling her, like to put your identity on something that you can't control and that will f you know will fade away, probably isn't the best place to put your identity and your self-worth. It's gonna be on the things you can control, on how you treat people, how beautiful you are on the inside, basically, you know, how kind you are and generous and things like that. So that was our that's our real inside talk conversation. So that's a really good, deep question right there. Um what's something your children have taught you?

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Ooh, that's a good one. A lot of things. Yeah. Uh patience. Okay. Being more selfless. But I think, you know, we were talking about joy. Yeah. And I think it's really cool to see how just seeing things through their eyes. Um and how excited they get and joyful. And yeah, it's just fun to get a different perspective on life sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Yeah. It's funny because when I think of this, I really think of like I would say drops or seeds that I planted in them. And then seeing them like come back to me in a flood. Like with our first child, our son, I was very thoughtful about trying to instill a sense of curiosity in him, right? And even much to my chagrin, with not that I don't like bugs or insects or whatever, but sometimes it was like, let's get down literally on all fours, this far away from the spider, and let's study it together, right? And which I didn't actually really do myself necessarily in that way. I would do with other things. Um, I feel like I see kind of that type of beauty everywhere. Um, but that was like a very tangible thing for him. I couldn't like show him the landscape and be like, look at that sunset and the long wavelength light. It was like, let's look at the spider. And it's crazy to see that curiosity bounce back now, which is like over the top curiosity, right? We got currently have several terrariums and aquariums, whatever built in our landscape around our house. You just discover them and you're like, what's in here? You know, tadpoles or um, so I think a lot of what I learned was like things that, or you know, just like a little sense of tenacity or a little sense of joy that you plant in them, and then like wow, that came back in orders of magnitude from what we sort of instilled in them initially. So it's kind of cute to see like to see your these things that you love get um reflected back to you in a kind of a bigger way.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Yeah, in a different way.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

And a different way, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Um what does a normal day look like when you're not working?

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Oh, what season is it?

SPEAKER_00 46:02

Right? What does that mean? Elaborate on that. What season is it?

SPEAKER_01 46:07

It's currently summer. It's currently summer. Uh you know, it could be a mixture, but there's probably some sort of boating activity or water activity. There could be some golf. There's probably a variety of eating good food at different times of the day. I think we all both enjoy like having good food, whether we make it or we eat out or whatever. But probably a workout in there at some point.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Yeah. That's a very real life example versus the ideal day, you know. That is a great, pretty ideal day, actually. But yeah. And in when our kids are at school, it's those are busier seasons, really, right? A lot of sports, a lot of school related things. That's when it's more like, you know, on the you know, on the um on their schedule a little bit. But it's interesting, I would say as a family, we are very, very good at eating together, like setting aside time with like every single night.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

It's we I can almost say never. We almost never don't eat together, right? So we have that time together every night. We have connection time, we have habits at the table that we do from just kind of tuning in, and you know, there's no distractions, and we're talking about what whatever, whatever phase of life it is, peaches and pickles, or you know, wins and losses, or things we could have done better, or great things we're grateful for. So we I think we're regardless of the season, pretty good at that.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

We talked about this summer with a 12, 10, and nine-year-old. It's a it's a sweet spot for us, right? This is like our summer hard summer where um it's weird to think that you have five seasons. That makes me sad, honestly, that we have like five summers left with our son before what six, whatever it is before seven. Seven summers? I think seven summers. Well, great.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

But still, it's limited.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Yeah, limited time before you know they're off and out and about a little bit. So, you know, this is we're we're getting into a very sweet spot of life with our kids, I feel like. That's very much like can stay up a little later, can push a little harder, we can do a little bit more, could say yes. Um, we definitely we did this last night, built in some recovery time after some challenging days, knowing that there was big days coming up. We're pretty good at it. They understand, I think, that that like, you know, kind of lay back and you know, kind of recover a little bit. They see us do that a lot, I think. Like quite literally, see us do that with whether it's compression boots or red light in the sun or something like that. They're very familiar with what it means to recover and be ready to go. They are. Yeah. Um let's

Being Married to a Facial Plastic Surgeon

SPEAKER_00 48:38

see. Uh being married to a facial plastic surgeon. You ready for this? What's something people assume about being married to a plastic surgeon that isn't actually true?

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Oh. I guess I don't know exactly what people assume.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

I know. I could guess some things.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

I could guess some things. Uh with that specifically, I would say we are pretty like down to earth. I'm not overly interested in one million products or getting stuff done all the time.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

I'm not dolled up all the time. So I feel like we're pretty low-key, active, get sweaty, yeah, those sorts of things. So I'm definitely not dressed up, designer clothes.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

I've had no surgeries.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Yeah. This is a big question. Um that might have been our most common question, actually. Okay. Well, I haven't had it been, which is like, and it's on here several times. Um, have you performed surgery on your wife? Have you what procedures have you done to her? How would you ever have plastic surgery or a facelift? Um, a lot of these are in there. Which is interesting. Because the answer is no. We've never done anything. I've never operated on you, like none of those things.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

Had a little laser refresh before.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

When was that? Several years ago. I don't know. Yeah, like it's been so long. Several years ago.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

Um, but yeah, I think we don't do much. We don't do much. I think we try to do the things that are really valuable as far as recovering and being smart or proactive.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

I would say if I were to like summarize what this is, like what people would expect, the like dress to the nine, and this may be stereotypical, not always true, but like dress to the nines, fancy stuff, um, you know, always looking good, putting on makeup, doing your hair, me too, doing my hair, like it's we're mostly like prioritizing health over appearance, maybe. Is that a fair way to say it? Yes. Like we're definitely like, what are we doing? And not like not how do we look, you know? Right. Not that you know, you want to look the part, and we try to even talk about our kids about that a little bit, like presenting it. Not like you're gonna rob it or whatever. Yeah. Um, but in general, that we're not like you don't own a designer handbag, do you? Not that I I mean it's this is these just aren't priorities to us. I don't own a fancy watch, you know. We don't we're not just this, like not our style, right? To do those things. It's like um, you know, the very much kind of what you see is what you get. Like again, back to the like social media thing. That's kind of like it's just a documentation of our life, especially if you follow stories like kind of like what our life looks like. Like we worked out together this morning. Our son drove us across the river in an inflatable boat. You know, we got sweaty, we came back, and we rushed to work. Like I took a shower, left my hair wet, and let it dry.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

And you know, this is I took a shower, left my hair wet, and let it dry. Yeah. Pretty sure the whole office saw me.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

This is what we do. Slopping hair. Um, so I guess the thing people assume about being married to a plastic surgeon that isn't actually true would be you're not doing stuff all the time and not always dressing, looking fancy. It's not all about appearance, really. It's not all about appearance. Yeah. It's about the function. I think that reflects in my practice, at least the way I look at it too, is like, I'm not trying to make people like, again, it's back to like how most of my patients are pulling all the levers, I say. They're eating well, they're doing the things we're doing, they're eating well, they're exercising, they're healthy in their, you know, relationships, their spiritual life, their life with their kids, their life with their spouse, whatever it may be, then they start to get the disconnect. And I'm just trying to get that back to them so they can keep doing all these other things that they do well without the cognitive friction of it, basically, and in a way that nobody would ever know that's low impact, low-key, they're not doing too much. It's the minimally invasive route to get there, which I think leads to the question of would you ever do something?

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

In that situation.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Yeah. Um it's funny to me. I'm not interrupting you here, but um I've told the story a couple of times where um I've now had a few patients that are your age, our age, and um because somebody asked me this really in depth recently, like, you know, has Aubrey ever she talking to you about this? Oh, it's Gabby. Gabby Reese is asking me this. Like, has Aubrey ever done anything? Would she ever do anything? Would she? And I'm like, you know, it's funny because we don't really talk about it, but now that patients are coming in that are your you like to tease me a little bit of like, what about me? You know?

SPEAKER_01 53:06

I mean on occasional, yeah. Well, what would you do? Yeah. Not that I'm like seeking anything in particular, right? And you pretty much shut me down. And then that's when I teach them like, you just had a patient that is my age.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

And guess what I do? Or younger. Well, and this is the real truth is like uh all comers, let alone patients your age, um I'm saying no often. Like there's and that's not always, and so it's the sampling error, like 80% of the time across the board, not the right fit, not the right, whatever. Like that's about 20% of people get like a thumbs up, yes, let's move forward together. And sometimes it's because they're the you, and they're almost like, we're you know, we're not there yet.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Yeah, in your defense, there usually is some genetic aging change where they have really droopy lids or just something that is a struggle.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Yep, strong genetic like eye bags or something like that. You're right. And in that, in the younger age group. Um, or we end up doing something like you talked about that's just non-surgical rejuvenation, you know, it's like qualitative focus, non-surgical things, whether that's laser and fat transfer or something like that. And those are things that I guess you haven't done that, but you've done laser, right? So um that does fall in veins of things you would do a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

But yeah, I thought it was funny. In the future, probably it was literally last week that Gabby was asking me about this, and I was like, that's a really insightful question, actually. Um, so I don't know if it was Gabby that asked this one, but um, let's see. Ooh, do you want to talk about this? I don't know. This is your skincare routine.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Oh gosh. You guys are gonna be disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Yeah, right? Okay, why why do you say that people are gonna be disappointed by your skincare routine? I would say it's sustainable, manageable, and simple.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

That is exactly what it is. If I have too long of a skincare routine, I'm good for about a day or two and then I won't do it anymore. So I pick Bang for Your Buck products. Maybe they're different morning to night, but I usually have one or two things and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

Yeah, what does that mean to you, Bang for Your Buck products?

SPEAKER_01 55:06

So in general, I want it simple. I'll use a retinol or some sort of product like that at night. I tend to be drier, so I always have a moisturizer. In the mornings, I definitely use sunscreen with a moisturizer, especially if we're in intense sun. Uh but even when we're skiing and things like that in the winter, I still will use a sunscreen. But in general, I'm pretty simple. I mean, we definitely will try different products and you'll show me different things and we'll mix it up kind of depending on you know what we have at our office or different things like that. But one or two steps for me is about all I do consistently.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

This is a very disappointing answer for a lot of people because they want like I use this product and this amount and this uh and it's not that honestly. Like I like to play with it too, and I'm maybe even more simple, like um, but I do there's some like you know, photo activated, like I love red light, obviously. And so there's some like new photo activated red light products that I'm like experimenting with and can't really speak to yet. But so I'll try I love to experiment and tinker and try things and get my end of one on myself and like look at the what the literature says. Um and you know, we feel differently about things sometimes when I try it, and I'm like, I like this, I don't like it. Um, and so there's kind of an open dialogue about those things, but um again, I think honestly, if I were to nutshell this, it goes back to that statement that I said earlier where we're a lot more focused on our health and metabolic function than we are about how we look, and honestly, the look just comes with the other thing, true, which is what I encourage my patients to do as well. Because you can spend a whole lot of money on snake oil garbage products, and you could have put that time and energy, effort, and money into yourself, and it would have been a much better bang for your buck in the overall true, and there are a lot of great products.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

I think when I get asked about products a lot, there are so many out there that I'm not great at answering those questions. I can speak to active ingredients, but when it comes to brand names and things like that, it's not where I shine. However, we have some people in our office that love that stuff, and so it's really cool to be able to bring them in and plug them in and let them run with it.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

This is another one of those beautiful things where we can be super unbiased by this because we make we're not selling skincare. That's not part of our like product line or whatever. Like that it means nothing to us. We're not moving a needle, there's no financial ties to us for skincare products. So when we talk about a beef tallow product that I use weekly on my patients for post laser, it's because I like this beef tallow product. I make nothing on it, I buy it, I pay for it, I'm not getting it for free, and I don't sell it, right? And so it's just like this is I this I talk about this product because of the properties that it has for the healing mechanisms that I want for the regeneration after my laser. So very simple, straightforward. Or if I talk about a photoactivated, you know, young goose product, I don't even sell that product. I just am curious about the science behind it and how cool that is. And you know, so it again, just that's like a full disclosure for everybody is like I don't care, you know, like I'm not yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

I would say all the products we have in our office is because some providers like it or you know, our staff or people enjoy it. So exactly.

SPEAKER_00 58:15

Yeah. And everything was vetted to get there, basically. Yeah. Um, let's

Health, Fitness, and Lifestyle

SPEAKER_00 58:20

see. Health, fitness, and lifestyle. This is a question to me. Does Aubrey work out with you? Do we work out together?

SPEAKER_01 58:27

The question was to you.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

Okay. Um, well, yes, we do. We worked out together almost every day this week, or a lot of days this week, at least. Um, and I say this week specifically because next week we probably won't work out together at all because I will be very, very tucked away in the operating room and my flow state in recovery, and I do tend to my workouts are early. And um, so it's quite variable from week to week. In general, we are very active together, and sometimes it's a frank focused workout. A lot of times those are impromptu, right? Like it's the morning, we got soccer games coming up today. Let's get a quick workout in, and you know, I'm I'm riding them together, or we're hopping in the pool, or you know, whatever it may be. Um, we tend to do, I would say, the same types of workouts in general. Um, you know, so we can easily kind of do the same thing, just kind of, you know, tailored to our you unique individual needs a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

But you also work out without me, and I work out without you.

SPEAKER_03 59:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

Really. Yeah. You have your crew you work out with at my crew. I work out alone a lot too, um, which I like. Um for you know, whatever various reasons. And a lot of times it's because the workouts I like to do a lot of other people don't like to do them as much. So, but yeah. We'll get on the ski or we're gonna do our Nordic sets or whatever, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:44

That's true. Yeah. Tell our hands blister.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

Tell your hands blister. Exactly. Um, do you enjoy your workouts and routines? You enjoy the ones we do together, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

I do. I feel like you always have something new and different that I probably wouldn't have stumbled upon by myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

So that's always fun. I also like that you will write the workouts and I just get to do them. Uh-huh. Because as everyone knows, it gets hard to sometimes create your own workouts all the time. So yeah, I do. And I feel like you're very encouraging and you tell me good job, even when I feel like I'm not doing a good job. So I'm like, oh, thanks. Um, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

It's good. I this kind of goes back to something you mentioned earlier about like I don't use any programs, I write them myself. And I'm um in my this was like if I put a pin in that conversation and go over to like my personal rules for social media, you know, or I'm like very aware of like getting sucked into it. And so I have like, you know, time for work, time for this, but my personal time that I spent that I have set aside on there, like five, I have like five minutes a day to get workouts, like to like get ideas for workouts. And so this would go into you mentioned like whatever it is, cooking or parenting, or like this is my time to grow and innovate and learn new things and try different stuff, and that extends to workouts too, which is um sometimes I'm just like trying something out for the first time, and you get to be the guinea pig with me a little bit, or I mean like working out in the pool, you know, that's like Laird and Gabby's baby, but like that's not real common. And so, like to get to do that together is a what a cool situation, right? Um, but yeah, that's that's I I love that. So pulling the pin out of that and going back into um, you know, getting to plan that together is you know, it's like just again, it hits one of these value systems for me. And I I don't use, I don't like follow a workout plan. Um, I have a few people that I'll follow, and I like to grab stuff off them and I keep folders on my Instagram that's like kettlebell workouts, sauna workouts, sand workouts, workouts with the kids. Because when we were they were younger, we did that a ton, right? Like work out with them literally and figuratively where they'd work out with us, or they were our weights, right? Like some of my like most fun memories are you know, early Saturday morning in the yard and they're like stumbling around doing speed ladders with us or whatever, you know. Jumping over little kid chairs, jumping over little kid chairs, fun stuff like that. Yep. Um, I like this question. What's your favorite place you've traveled?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

Oh gosh, that's really funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:14

That is, I struggle with favorites, as you know. I do struggle with favorites. I like too many things.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

When we do these exercises of start in the middle and go left for sunrise, or excuse me, left for sunrise, right for sunset, or mountains and beach, you always want to stay in the middle. Stand in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Depends on the day. I want to do both. That's true. Oh, favorite places. We just went to Norway. That was incredible. So pretty mind blowing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:38

But I've loved a ton of places.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

On our surf ski travel thing, Norway was a ski destination. And it was very unique because it was there's we did not ski at a resort, no chairlifts. We were starting at the water in a boat, getting off, skinning, aka climbing up, sometimes like scaling for a few hundred meters to get to the snow, to then scale up for five or seven hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

A long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

And then skiing down for not as long.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Not as long. 30 minutes. That's not my favorite way to ski. But that trip was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Yeah. Really pushed me. Yeah, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:15

But we've been a lot of cool places.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Yeah. Okay, fine. Where's your favorite place that you have skied at a resort?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Japan.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

Japan. That's fair. Yeah. Done that a couple times, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

We've done that a couple times. Very cool experiences to get to go there.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Where's your favorite place you've gone to surf?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

I mean, that's a tough one. Probably Portugal.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Although maybe San Sebastian or the Basque region of Spain and France. Those are very cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

I thought you were going to say Central America.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

I was going to say El Salvador I probably had the best waves for my surfing level, which is very intermediate and not the same level as you. But it's really cool to be able to sit out there and look at the landscape. So I think surfing in Europe was very different than what we'd surfed where we were in California or Central America or Hawaii or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

Where's your favorite place you've traveled with are kids?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

That's a good one too. Costa Rica. Their minds were blown, I think, by the animals and the culture, and we did a lot of cool, a lot of cool surfing, a lot of cool rainforest activities, and they were amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:29

Yeah, watching them there was definitely joy for me, and of course, so one to two, but yeah, that was fun. Yeah. I

Rapid Fire

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

like that. Okay, rapid fire. Okay. Nearing the end here. Um who is more competitive?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

You. Although I'm very competitive.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

You are also very competitive. I'm definitely very competitive.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

You would edge me out.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Who takes longer to get ready?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:53

I have a lot of hair. So me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:57

You take longer showers.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:59

Fair point. I do take longer showers because I know I've got cushion on the other end. My time from shower to exit is near zero. Right? Probably. Yeah. Close on out the door. There's no there's nothing in between those things. But I do like a long shower. True. It's like my it's my thinking place. I have a lot of good ideas in the shower. Um who's more likely to break a diet?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Me. This guy. Yeah. So your discipline level is better than mine.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:30

Um who's the better driver?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

I drive more, and I am a good driver.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

You're a great driver.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

But you are a better driver.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Why?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

Here's our here for the world. Here's our driving structure. This is real life, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Yes. I drive all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

You domestically? Domestically. You drive more than I do. And how did that start?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

This is I think this is we're always getting something done in the car. So I drive so that you can get things done or talk to our kids or whatever, where I might. Might be more available other times of the day. Or you're so wiped out that you potentially fall asleep.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:06

Yeah. So this actually started in California when we would go to Mammoth. It's like our first year living in LA. We were gung-ho to ski, and every weekend that winter we would like Friday night from LA from UCLA often, like in the car up to Mammoth, staying at the Motel 6, sleeping with the bed bugs.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

No, we brought our own.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

But we didn't even get in the beds. No, we brought our sleep on the sleeping bags on the beds is all we could afford. We reserved the motel six and then we started like cutting that down to only one night. You know, we'd leave early in the morning. But you would drive, and I would I had to read a bunch of readings. You know, I had a lot of studying to do at that time. And so that was my study time.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

Um, because on the weekend I was like, then the rest of the time we were together and felt, you know, very present and doing whatever. But when we were driving, I was like, okay, this is my time to like get stuff done.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

That's true. It's just carried over.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

It carried over, honestly. And then yeah, you're right, especially Friday nights after a week. I would, you know, I I feel pretty cooked after surgery, like definitely coming out of flow state into recovery mode, especially if I have to do it two days in a row. I feel pretty out of it. Um not that not that there's nothing there, but I've I'm a lower capacity. And then, yeah, you're right. I've Friday night, falling asleep, and we're like driving up at night to go ski or something. So that's the real truth of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

That's the real truth.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

When the weather's bad, your rule is when it's stormy, weather bad, blizzardy.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

I drive until I'm out.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

And then you make a drive. And then anytime we're traveling overseas.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

That's my vacation. Then I drive.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Yep. Which has been very adventurous, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

Um well like driving in Japan, that was real fun. Wrong side of the road, navigator, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

Wrong side of the road, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:53

Yeah, tight lefts and wide rights, and yeah, yeah, yeah. That was kind of fun.

unknown 1:07:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Anyway. So we're both good drivers, I would say. Our records would, our driving records would reflect that as well. Um who's more likely to fall asleep first?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:10

I feel like it switched. It was I would definitely would have said you, but it's becoming me. Yeah. Which is weird. I know that is weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:18

Yeah, I would have said that too. I think honestly, as I started prioritizing my sleep health more with time as and as I could, that's what changed it for me, honestly. Just like uh my good friend um and I talk about this, he's you know, a person I talk about health stuff with all the time. We were even talking about how just like wearables changed behavior at some point, like like like gasp, maybe skipping a workout to prioritize sleep some days, which was like unheard of at one point in my life. So I think those types of changes really helped me there. Um, who is more organized?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

I don't think that's a contest. Definitely me.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:59

Okay. Uh who is more stubborn?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

Also me.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

Yeah, also you. I would agree with both of those. I'm organized and a different way. I'm I'm dis I'm you are. Yeah, I'm organized in my own way, but like from an outward appearance, and it's been this way, honestly, since I was in grade school.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

I hear about it from your mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Always a little bit disorganized.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

Yeah, but it's not disorganized to me. It's very organized.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

Yeah. That's true. It's a it's my system, but yeah. Chaotically organized. I don't have, you know, rubber binders or rubber bins and binders full of labeled, I don't have that, but I definitely you have your own system.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

Yeah. Um, who's more likely to say, I told you so? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:42

No. I mean, probably me, because I'm also more stubborn, but I don't really feel that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

I wouldn't have said that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

I don't know that you've ever said that to me. I would say that to our kids. How about that? Which is sad but true.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:54

I know. Maybe I would too.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

You gotta learn to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:58

I tell our kids a lot of stuff in general, so I don't feel like that's our style, but maybe that's my biggest struggle with our kids is well, the first thing if I give any parenting advice to any uh dad or mom, but especially dad, is like keeping your calm as your superpower. Moms do, right? And um this like I've I think I've learned a lot of this from Laird and Gabby too, just talking about like instead of telling them, which I'm love telling them stuff, it's asking questions instead and just kind of being there for the and listening and being there for the answer, which is really great advice, especially as they get older, I think. Yeah, it's fun to ask them questions when they're kids because you get crazy answers. Um, but so I think that I told you so might go with the like assumption that you told them something. I don't know. But you try not to do. Let's see. Who's the better parent during a toddler meltdown?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

Probably you. I feel like I would get more of them throughout a day where maybe you were at work and I was not, and I would be done. And so then I would hand over to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:00

Yeah, I would then say that I would just say that it's like it's one or the other.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

That's true. I do think uh when we when we see the other one, it's yeah, we're pretty good at like uh tapped out, the other one steps in.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

Which can be a touchy time to tap in sometimes because then the person knows that like the other one recognized that they were tapped out. You know, that's how I feel. I'm like, dang it, I lost it and she had to save me. True. You definitely saved me. Let's see. Who's more disciplined?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

You. I don't think anyone's more disciplined than you.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

Who gives the better advice?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

Probably you. I don't know. You're a very concise thinker and can put things into words very well.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:39

You're very good at this concept of like um two ears, one mouth. You are very good at that. Like you listen a lot. Sometimes I know you have thoughts, like in a group, and I'm like, huh, she's not saying anything. But then, after a lot more listening, it comes out in a better way than I would have imagined it coming out.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:02

Yeah. I think that was roomy. Two two ears, one mouth. Um, let's see. Who is funnier? Me. You are. For sure. For sure. Everybody that knows us would say that, which is actually, I think, unexpected when people first meet you.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

It is unexpected. Only the people that know us would say that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

But pretty much everyone else would think it's you.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

Yep, that's true. That's a fun inside inside info. Who's more likely to embarrass the kids someday?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

Who? I think it's you, even though I do it regularly.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:35

I embarrass them all the time right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:37

So do I.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:37

I love it. But I also tell their friends, like we'll hug their friends or high-five their friends, and I I feel like you're currently much more invested in like, and which is probably a wise long-term investment with like being cool with their friends and like kind of being and you coach them a lot too, them and their friends in basketball. And so being someone they can go to. And I am unabashedly myself, um, which is embarrassing to them sometimes, which is surprises me, honestly, that it's embarrassing to them. So I'm like, really? But I get it. I get it. I get it. Most awkward age. Can you being a 12-year-old boy is a tough place. I can't relate to the nine and ten-year-old girls.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:17

My dad starts dancing in the middle of the street or something. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

Or you're at practice and your dad's like doing a kettlebell workout on the side of the field.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

And I think they appreciate that now.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

You do?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

Yeah. Because even their friends ask about it or yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:29

I think that there was a time where that was embarrassing to them, or just a little bit like, oh my gosh, my dad's over there working out. But I'm like, I'm here with you for two hours. You know I'm working out. I'm not gonna sit here in the this beautiful big grass field and do nothing. I can't literally cannot do that. Yeah. Like it's imp nothing's impossible. But it's very difficult for me to just sit there and be like, why am I not running around? You know. True. Anyway.

A Message to Our Kids

SPEAKER_00 1:13:52

Um, last question. I like this one. If your children listen to this episode someday, what's one message you would want them to hear? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

It's a good question. It's a tough question.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

It is.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:08

Because you can think of a million things that you want them to hear.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

Yeah. I think that I could pull some things out of this if they listen to the whole thing, let alone just this ending. But if I could summarize the key elements, I think, from a lot of what we talked about to this is like, um, at least I feel this way, and I would give this advice to adults too, honestly, is um just understanding what led us to be here. Um, to be here physically, to be here metaphorically in our relationship, in our marriage, to be their parent, to, you know, have like where we're at in our careers and with our friends and and all these like values in our life. And it's that it's values. It's like, do you know what your core values are? Which for our kids is hard to maybe really know right now, but I think that we could name some of them for them just off the top, knowing them. But have you sat with yourself quietly, which is uncomfortable for some people, to know what your core values are? Are you working towards those things? Are the things that you're doing serving those core values, whether it is your sports, your life, your career, your relationships, your whatever it may be? Um I don't think I've ever said this to them, actually, like in that sense. We we've talked about our family values and things like that, but um it's just those things tend to be a true north that no matter what phase of your life you're in, if you're a 12-year-old boy in junior high, or you're a nine-year-old girl in grade school, if you kind of know those, it helps make decisions. Because there's this thing I love that's like I still think about this. Would my mom be proud of this? What would my mom do in this situation, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:45

Which kind of gets back to like I your mom, your parents being that core of you, mom especially. Does this serve your core values, that core part of you? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

No, that's a good one. I think part of what I was thinking too is recognizing that you know, where we are today or where we are when they were gonna listen to this, or when they're a teenager or an adult when they could maybe comprehend it better, is just understanding that we didn't get here basically we had to work for it. Yeah. And I think we were very imperfect and we had to grow and we had to change and we had to adapt. And so I think just understanding that we are always a work in progress and wanting to grow and change for the better and together, and we've definitely become a unit that works together to achieve those goals.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:32

Yeah. I think if they heard this right now, they would think that they would interpret that work as like hard work. You know, that this was like you were laboring. And not that there isn't some of that too, but it's also just the like the work is almost like this intentional, like thoughtful progress that takes, yeah, work, even just like I said, sitting with yourself quietly is work, but it's not just like bite down on, you know, bite down and grind through all the time. Sometimes it's a little bit more gentle, nuanced, and sophisticated and deeper than that, basically. Kind of want to gotta know where what where you want to climb to a little bit. Yeah.

Outro

SPEAKER_00 1:17:09

Well, thank you, babe.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

Thanks for being on here. And I this is totally not your thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

It's a little out of my comfort zone.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:19

It's good for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

Thank you. It's super. That's the message we could give to our kids. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:23

This was outside of mom's comfort zone, and you did it anyway. I'm very grateful that you were willing to sit down and thank you. Grow outside of your comfort zone. You're awesome. Love you. Love you. If you have any questions or topics you would like me to explore further, please leave them in the comments. I read them all and they often help shape the future conversations here. If you would like to learn more about my surgical practice, you can visit clinic5c.com where you will find additional information on my approach to surgery, recovery, and performance focused care. I also want to be clear that the views shared on this podcast are my own and are not associated with or representative of my clinical teaching affiliation with the University of Washington School of Medicine, nor should this be taken as individual medical advice. Thank you for spending your time with me. I appreciate you being here, and I will see you on the next episode.