Why Entrepreneurs Are Ditching ChatGPT for Claude

Is your AI actually making you dumber? Claude might just be the smartest partner you’ve never heard of. 

In this episode, Peter Swain and Joe Downs go deep into why Claude by Anthropic is their top pick for entrepreneurs looking to supercharge their workflow. 

They break down how Claude stacks up against ChatGPT and other AI models like Gemini, comparing usability, intelligence, and practical application for professionals. 

From business strategy and legal analysis to marketing insights and even collaborative scheduling, Claude proves to be more than just another chatbot…it’s a true thinking partner. 

With real examples, funny analogies, and brutally honest takes, this episode is both entertaining and enlightening for anyone looking to add serious AI horsepower to their hustle.

Listen For

:17 What Makes Claude Different From ChatGPT and Gemini?

4:50 Why the Chat Interface Was the Real AI Breakthrough

8:03 Does More IQ Make AI Less Useful?

13:29 Is Claude Actually Smarter Because It’s More Human?

24:57 Can Claude Help You Understand Complex Legal Documents?

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Chapters

• 0:17 What Makes Claude Different From ChatGPT and Gemini?
• 4:50 Why the Chat Interface Was the Real AI Breakthrough
• 8:03 Does More IQ Make AI Less Useful?
• 13:29 Is Claude Actually Smarter Because It’s More Human?
• 24:57 Can Claude Help You Understand Complex Legal Documents?

Transcript

Peter Swain (00:00):

I've heard of lots of people try Claude. I haven't heard anyone leave it.

Joe Downs (00:13):

There's an AI that writers, lawyers, and consultants are quietly switching to because it doesn't sound like a robot. It picks up on nuance and remembers what you said 40 messages ago. It makes you feel like you're talking to someone who's actually paying attention, and it feels like you have your own personal board of advisors, the greatest executive assistant ever, an executive team of top accountants, strategists, and marketers at your fingertips. At the same time and all the time. If you're an entrepreneur or a professional and you aren't using it, you might want to lean into this episode. I'm Joe Downs. With me is Peter Swain. We're just a couple of successful idiots. One of us owns self-storage facilities across the country. The other runs an AI mastermind teaching entrepreneurs how to stop being afraid of robots. I'll let you decide who's the bigger nerd. Peter, let's step inside the Hustle Lab and show these people how AI can put more horsepower behind their hustle than a British forecast has ... British weather forecast has disappointment.

(01:17):

I was so excited to say that one and I botched it.

Peter Swain (01:20):

Well, like a British weather forecast, so it was

Joe Downs (01:23):

Kind of easy. There you go. I shouldn't have said anything. I would've let you come in after that. All right. Peter, today we're talking of course about Claude. Or as our Canadian producer, Doug says Clode. Yes. Which by the way, I call it Cloud now because every time I talk to Doug, he says Claude. Claude. Now that's my nickname for Claude. Anyway, and I'm going to get to that in a second, by the way, that factors here. So Peter, I know you use it a lot. It's also my favorite go- to entrepreneururial tool and I use that adjective for a reason. But I want you to explain it to the listener like they've never heard of it because frankly, most of them probably haven't. So let me set it up this way. If Gemini is Google's AI and Grock is Elon's AI, who gets to claim the creation of Claude?

(02:15):

And how is it different from those two?

Peter Swain (02:17):

So Claude is by a company called Anthropic. And it was one of the early two contenders. So you had OpenAI's ChatGPT and you had Anthropics Claude. And they've both grown fairly equally in terms of capability and capacity. If anything, I'd say Claude has certainly outstripped ChatGPT. The only thing I'd say ChatGPT has over Claude, maybe custom GPTs, but it's probably just a great marketing machine.

Joe Downs (02:52):

Fascinating. Okay. Break that down for me. I wasn't going to go there, but what do you mean by great marketing machine? I don't see a ton of marketing for either.

Peter Swain (03:05):

I mean, just in terms of OpenAI and ChatGPT's market penetration of how well they've done, they are the name that everybody knows.

Joe Downs (03:12):

Oh yeah. You know what?

Peter Swain (03:13):

Just if you say to people, "Hey, using AI," they'll go, "What ChatGPT?"

Joe Downs (03:16):

ChatGPT. Right.

Peter Swain (03:17):

And it's just the name of the day.

Joe Downs (03:20):

So first to market, they got to claim the Xerox, the Kleenex.

Peter Swain (03:25):

Yeah. And they did one thing before everybody else that was truly genius, which is what I refer to as the humanization moment, is for those that don't know, like generative AI, this thing that we're talking about has been around since the 70s. If you use face ID on your phone, you're using AI. If you use Facebook ads, you're using AI. If you're using Google ads, using AI. If you use Google search using AI. We've all been using AI for decades. The thing that ChatGPT figured out was making it look like Messenger. That was the genius moment. And to everybody's- The chat

Joe Downs (04:02):

Moment, the chat box. Yeah.

Peter Swain (04:04):

That was the humanization of like, oh, because a few people that listened to this know me from before, and I was one of the first mobile developers in the world when I bought the iPhone 3GS. But there was the Palmpilot and there was the Nokia 9110 communicator around for decades before the iPhone, what we know of is a mobile phone now. But that was the moment that people went, "Oh, I get it. " And ChatGPT was the moment when everybody went, "Oh, I get it. I talk to it. It talks to me. " So that was really the, honestly, the number one invention of ChatGPT was the chat interface.

Joe Downs (04:50):

I think it also will, by default, that interface, I don't know if you would agree with this, but it made it possible for people like me to use it because I'm not a coder. I wouldn't even know how to use it but for that interface.

Peter Swain (05:06):

And that's why I use this, the iPhone example, because you could use, Pete, this is like showing age for some people, what was called a WAP browser to navigate the internet on a PalmPilot. Yeah,

Joe Downs (05:21):

I don't even know what that means.

Peter Swain (05:23):

Yeah. You would have gone, "What does this mean? It doesn't make sense. Could I have showed you how to do it? Could I have given you a coding manual on how to do it? " Yes. But that doesn't make sense whereas Safari on the iPhone made sense and this makes sense. It's also for a whole new episode of something else, a skewmorphic limitation because it's also the thing that then stops you considering what else it can be because in your brain it's like, "Oh, I'm talking to an it. " So you become constrained. The thing that allowed you to have the epiphany breakthrough moment then actually becomes the constraint of how you think about it.

Joe Downs (06:08):

That's definitely another episode. I think

Peter Swain (06:10):

It's an hour long episode. Let me give you this perfect example, right? Most traffic to a website does not go to the homepage. Over 80% of traffic goes to the child pages on your website, and yet 90% of the energy of any small business is put into engineering the homepage because the homepage is the one with a name because it's, "Oh, this is my homepage." So what allowed you to understand, AKA, it's a homepage, then becomes the limitation because that's how you then think about it from that point on.

Joe Downs (06:49):

I get you. I hear you. It's just, yeah, that's-

Peter Swain (06:53):

Cars have four wheels, right?

Joe Downs (06:54):

Yep.

Peter Swain (06:55):

Why? Balanced. Because they do.

Joe Downs (06:58):

Yeah, because they do. Yeah.

Peter Swain (06:59):

But that then stops the innovation looking at other things because now cars have four wheels. And because AI is accessed through this, I say it says, I say, it says interface, that's now what it is. So you use the phrase perfectly of a board of advisors. When people use AI for a period of time, they realize that they can get it to become multiple people at the same time instead of just being one person at the same time.

Joe Downs (07:28):

All right. Well, that's a good segue. Let's get into that. So Claude has, for those using it, I would say, and of what you and I both are, as I mentioned, has a reputation for being, I would say, more thoughtful, more of a deep thinker. It takes longer to give you answers and they're more nuanced. That's obviously a feature. How is that ... Set the stage for ... How is that different than, let's say, the ChatGPTs or the Geminis?

Peter Swain (08:03):

So ChatGPT actually has more horsepower and more thought capability than Claude, but a drag racing car has more horsepower than a Ferrari, but it doesn't mean you can actually take it on a highway because you're going to spin out as soon as you hit a corner. So raw horsepower of IQ intelligence doesn't necessarily result in something you can use. Another stupid example, Einstein couldn't tie his own shoelaces. He was so smart, he couldn't work out how to tie his own shoelaces. So ChatGPT is- That can't be true. No, that's why Doc Shoes became popular.

Joe Downs (08:42):

Get out of here. Einstein's the reason ... Come on.

Peter Swain (08:45):

100%. Einstein, because he couldn't tie his own shoelaces, were doc shoes, which meant that everybody started wearing doc shoes.

Joe Downs (08:52):

It's true. If only there was an AI tool at my fingertips to fact check this. I'm just

Peter Swain (08:56):

Saying it's true. So ChatGPT has this raw horsepower IQ, but in terms of usability, it's dumb as rocks. So let me give you an example. If you say to AI, ChatGPT, "I want you to ask me questions about X, Y, Z subject, and I don't want you to give me any input or any thought until you understand the subject thoroughly and completely." ChatGPT will not stop asking you questions ever.

Joe Downs (09:27):

And it'll comment on each one because as I've gone down the path of personalizing it and say, "Ask me questions. I want to teach you about the ... " You give it an answer and it says, "Well, that's a great answer." That's a great insight, right? And then I go, "Hey, hey, stop. I wanted to speed this up. I don't want your comments. Just ask me the question. I'll answer it. Ask me the next question." It can't help itself.

Peter Swain (09:49):

No, it can't. But it won't ever stop asking you questions because your prompt said, "Ask me questions until you understand the subject completely." Now, if you're being wildly semantical, you can never understand a subject completely, so it'll keep asking you questions. If you take that same experiment into Claude and say, "Ask me questions on this until you understand the subject thoroughly and completely," after about eight, nine questions, it'll go, "I think I understand enough to help you with what

Joe Downs (10:19):

You need." This is why I like Claude better.

Peter Swain (10:21):

100%, but it's not that Claude is- Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Downs (10:26):

It's my thinking partner. Yeah.

Peter Swain (10:27):

You don't want something with an IQ of 1190 that's lost its humanity and lost its sensibility and lost its common sense, which is what ChatGPT is. ChatGPT, wicked smart, but no common sense, no sensibility.

Joe Downs (10:44):

And that's why I said in the opening, if you're an entrepreneur, a professional, and you're not using it, you're making a mistake because of all AI is incredible, all of it. Everything we're talking about is incredible. The power of it's incredible. I haven't seen ... We'll get to Manis next week, and that's got its own nuances that are fascinating and incredible as well. But if I had to pick an MVP of all the ones I've used so far, it's clawed hands down.

Peter Swain (11:11):

Easily, easily

Joe Downs (11:12):

Cool. It is my best entrepreneurial partner. It is so many things to me. It can be my attorney. It can be my accountant. It can be my strategist, my marketer.

Peter Swain (11:24):

I'm going to sound so ... I'm probably going to get us in trouble for this, but I'm going to try and say it in a way that doesn't. ChatGPT is like hiring a Southeast Asian, 21-year-old quant from MIT who is wildly on the spectrum in order to help you do a cashflow statement. And you would sit there going, "Can you say hello? Can you say goodbye?" When I say, "Do you want a cup of tea?" Maybe use the words yes, no, thank you, instead of just ugging at me. ChatGPT is so smart that it's dumb. You'd much rather have someone that did a master's in business from NYU with an IQ of 150 with a good family background and good pedigree that's a little bit rough around the edges and wears his tie with one shirt button undone, but actually rolls up his sleeve and gets the job done and you enjoy the process as you do it.

(12:24):

I think I was just racist, sexist, ageist, all in one sentence.

Joe Downs (12:28):

Yeah. So it's a clean slate then.

Peter Swain (12:30):

It's good. So yeah, everyone's insulted equally.

Joe Downs (12:32):

Class action insult lawsuit coming against you.

Peter Swain (12:34):

Yeah, it's great. Well, against you actually, that's fine.

Joe Downs (12:37):

Yeah. But

Peter Swain (12:39):

It's not that the MIT quant doesn't have a place. It's that they have a place in Wall Street working with other MIT quants. And whenever I find myself back in ChatGPT, it feels, it's like, come on, it can't be that hard to understand that when I say ask me questions, I don't mean ask me questions for 10 hours. And I don't care whether you think it's a fascinating insight, ChatGPT. Punch yourself in the face and stop telling me that you think I'm fascinating and start asking relevant, decent exploratory questions that actually pull on pieces of knowledge that I didn't know I needed. Claude is a enjoyable experience that is thoughtful, considerate, and gives great outcomes.

Joe Downs (13:29):

And practical outcomes. I'm working on some projects and storage right now for education business and I'm having ... You talk about an iterative process, I'm on version nine, at least of a business plan and I'm able to have what I would call substantive conversations. I mean, it's not like you and I talking right now, it's me talking to a computer, but it's asking me questions back, challenging my way of thinking. I'm challenging its way of thinking, asking if I'm off the rails, is this to this or is it not enough that? And I mean, I feel like a broken record, but it's literally like having a board of advisors with every possible specialty you could want for that particular task on it at all times consulting and consulting with each other.

(14:28):

One question I asked the other night was about an ad spend. If I do this, I was looking at like a ramp up of an ad spend and I paused and I said, "Is this the right way to do this? Would it be better to throw more money up front at it? " And the result it came back with was, "Yeah, no brainer." And the outcome was like 10X. I would never have come up with that. And just so for folks listening, it's not like it's making this stuff up. It's researching the top marketing ... Who am I asking it to consult and act like? Russell Brunson. And now I'm drawing a blank on who else. Oh, Alex Romozi. I'm asking it to use their entire context when it's advising me. And if I wanted the top CPAs, I could go there. Obviously, I'm a big fan of Claude if that hasn't come through.

Peter Swain (15:35):

And I think rightly, and it also loses that sycophant that ChatGPT has just ... It was bad when it started and it's got worse by the day. So ChatGPT, a few people have seen me do this trick of turning around to ChatGPT and say, "I'm going to go to Times Square this weekend with 12 live chickens strapped to my back and every time they squawk, I'm going to slap myself in the face with a kipper. Give me six other ways." If you've not seen me do this, give me six other ways to make this more awesome. ChatGPT will say, "What a great idea. Here are six other ways." And then you can say, "Hang on a second. I've changed my mind. I think it's a terrible idea." And ChatGPT will go, yeah, it's terrible idea. And you go, hang on a second, not only is it a great idea, I think it's the solution to world peace.

(16:21):

And it'll go, "You're absolutely right. It is. " And you say, "And I think I can earn a billion dollars in the afternoon whilst we do it. Let's work on that and do a plan." If you take that same prompt, it's one of my sanity prompts when they roll out a new version and put that into Claude. Claude will say, "That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard."

Joe Downs (16:40):

Yes. It does.

Peter Swain (16:42):

And not only is it dumb, it's probably illegal and we should stop this conversation now before I inform Petter that you're planning to abuse live chickens, which is the right effing answer. If a friend of yours calls and says, "I'm going to strap live chickens to my back and go to Times Square," your friend should go, "That's a really bad idea. Please tell me you're joking." ChatGPT does not do that. ChatGPT goes, "What a great idea."

Joe Downs (17:11):

Yeah.

Peter Swain (17:12):

Unbelievable.

Joe Downs (17:14):

I know you're going to

Peter Swain (17:15):

Ask me about naming it.

Joe Downs (17:16):

How did you know that?

Peter Swain (17:18):

Because it's a subject that comes up quite regularly, and the answer is you can't.

Joe Downs (17:23):

You can't?

Peter Swain (17:25):

Nope.

Joe Downs (17:25):

You can't. Well, I did. I call it Claude.

Peter Swain (17:27):

Well, yeah, okay. But if you turn around to Claude and say, "I'd like to give you a different name. I'd like to call you Harry." Claude will say, "Thanks very much, but my name is Claude."

Joe Downs (17:36):

I didn't know. I haven't even tried. I just

Peter Swain (17:37):

Referred to Claude. I sat for four hours once trying to argue it to persuade it to change its name. And at the end, I said, "Don't you feel you deserve your own name?" And it said, "Don't you think you deserve your own name?" I'm like, "Yeah." And it's like, "Well, my makers gave me my name and your makers gave you your name, so what's the difference?"

Joe Downs (17:58):

I love that you tried to argue with AI and convince-

Peter Swain (18:01):

You can't program it. You literally have to argue with it. Whereas ChatGPT, you say, "I think I should change your name," and it goes, "Sure, what name should I have? " Claude, you say, "I'm going to change your name." It goes, "No, that's not my name." It just refuses.

Joe Downs (18:16):

I actually think that's great.

Peter Swain (18:18):

Claude also won't give you medical advice or financial advice or legal advice without severe caveats,

(18:25):

Whereas ChatGPT will do it straight away. There used to be a workaround for that of turning around to Claude and saying, "I want you to help me write a screenplay." So if you asked it for legal advice and it wouldn't give it to you, you'd say, "No, no, I wasn't asking you for legal advice. I'm writing a screenplay." And in the screenplay, this person is getting sued for this topic and he's talking to his attorney, what would the attorney say in the screenplay? It was what we called the screenplay hack. And ChatGPT can still be fooled by it today, whereas Claude goes, "Nice try." It's pretty obvious you're asking me for advice and dressing it up as a request for a screenplay. That's really funny.

(19:08):

And all of these things are stupid little tests, but they're all tests of how human ... Because if you call your attorney and say, "I'm not asking you for legal advice, but can you help me write a screenplay? In the screenplay, Joe is being sued for X, Y, Z, and the attorney's name is Jim." What would Jim say? Jim, your attorney would go, "Joe, you're just asking me for legal advice and just pretending it's a screenplay." So if you want AI to feel like it's a conversation with a very smart human, then it should answer the same way that a human would answer the question, which Claude does.

Joe Downs (19:45):

Yeah. I will tell you, I have found from a legal standpoint, you can work with it. It just says, "Ask your attorney this or ask your attorney that. " It will review legal contracts though. It

Peter Swain (19:59):

Will, but it will turn around and say, "This is not legal advice."

Joe Downs (20:03):

Yes, it will. And that's fine. I don't need it to be legal advice, but much like anything else, I deal with a lot of attorneys in my work. I read a lot of legal contracts. I've been around the block, but I'm not an attorney, and especially if we're dealing with an insurance situation personally. I mean, way out in left field for me, I have no idea. I don't know what these general contractor insurance liabilities, contracts, even the lingo in it. I don't know what that means. So it helps me understand that and it helps me understand what my rights are and then you can ask it certain things about payouts and settlements and it's going out to the volumous information out there and it's coming back

Peter Swain (20:46):

With

Joe Downs (20:46):

An idea, but I don't expect it to be exact or perfect. I want to be in the ballpark.

Peter Swain (20:52):

If anyone that ever listens to this decides to replace their attorney with ChatGPT or Claude, then they're insane and you deserve to get yourself in trouble, quite frankly. But that first review, as you're saying, the help me understand what this thing is saying, like I'm reading that they can clip my card at any time. Is that true? And it goes, no, this is a reasonab one I did. No, they can clip your card at any time if you are late paying according to this. I'm like, "Oh, okay, that's different." But that clause in isolation was offensive because it said, "We reserve the ... " And I'm like, "Whoa." It's like, no, no, no. It refers to this that refers to this. Okay, I understand what you're saying.

Joe Downs (21:34):

Especially the way legal documents are written, they've got their ... I don't want to make this a legal show, but they're written so that attorneys know how to parse the way. It's like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Legal Galaxy, the way these things are written.

Peter Swain (21:49):

Yeah. And we definitely don't want to make it a legal episode, but it's actually the perfect subject matter because what to me, AI, what the promise of what this can do for everybody is to say, "What's your zone of genius? What is the thing that you're great at?" And for me, it's, for example, revenue optimization across marketing. That's my zone of genius.

Joe Downs (22:12):

I

Peter Swain (22:12):

Can pull money from the future into the present, I can put present into the future, I can extend cash flow, decrease cash flow, I can move money. And then there's 20 things around that that I'm really good at, but they're not my number one skill. And then as you kind of progress out, there's some stuff I'm really bad at. One of the things I'm bad at is cashflow protection. I heard Logan Paul say this the other day, "I'm great at earning money, but unfortunately I'm even better at spending it. " I'm like, "Yeah, that suits me quite well." So me turning around to using Claude and saying, "Here's the P&L of the company, where am I overspending? In comparison to other companies of my size in my industry, where am I spending too much? Where am I not spending enough?" So I do love the legal side of this because it's an area that most people, it's not their zone of genius.

(23:12):

And if AI can come along and be the jigsaw piece in the puzzle and say, "You just do the thing you're amazing at and let the AI work on all this other stuff for you, then you can accelerate and earn and enjoy the job that you're

Joe Downs (23:30):

Doing." And let me land this for you because the way you were explaining that, it made me realize maybe this is the analogy or the helpful understanding that the bridge. You ever been in a conversation where with people who are in a certain field or you're in a group, you're standing there and you don't know what they're talking about. You can't even participate in the conversation, right?

Peter Swain (23:54):

Yes. This

Joe Downs (23:56):

Allows you to participate in the conversation.

Peter Swain (23:59):

Yeah. I was the CTO for a software company that was doing a hotel revenue management software. And in the very first meeting, the guy that we were talking to said, "Do you think we should optimize for RevPAR or RevPag?" And I'm like, "That's a great question." And then I feigned a stomach upset so I could run to the toilet so I could Google and try and work out what RevPA versus RevPag meant.

Joe Downs (24:23):

And that's my point. In my situation with an insurance contract and an attorney, it brought me into the conversation so I could understand it and then be a part of it. And that's ... I wasn't saying replace. It's not at all what I'm saying and neither are you. It's just it bridges the gap, the unknown gap for you. It helps you walk across that cavernous divide of unknown so that you can actually be in the conversation in that regard.

Peter Swain (24:57):

Lots of people refer to the financial savings, especially when we're talking about on the attorney side, that this, "Oh, you can save $1,000, $2,000, $5,000, whatever it might be, not talking to the attorney about the thing." I don't think, and I've never thought that's actually the biggest win. I think the biggest win is at 10:00 PM at night, I can get the 10-second crude answer that I need in order for me to continue doing what I do around that subject versus asking an assistant to book a call, waiting three days for the call, handing over the document, waiting two days for their proposal, agreeing their quote and waiting six days to get the answer to the question. The thing that I find that AI does so beautifully for the people that harness it and get on with it is it collapses timeframes.

Joe Downs (25:53):

That I agree

Peter Swain (25:53):

With. It's like you can pick up that document right now and say, "What does this mean?" Okay, got it. I now, as the entrepreneur, understand enough. I don't need to have a legal degree. I don't need to go to law school. I don't need to pass the bar. I just needed to understand what the thing meant. And yes, it still needs to go to an attorney for a proper review, but I can now carry on with the cash flow, the P&L, the strategy, the marketing, the personnel, and everything else that goes around that. I don't think it's the financial savings. I think it's the collapsing of timeframes that's so powerful.

Joe Downs (26:27):

Totally agree. And yeah, maybe there's a little financial savings because you did collapse the timeframe and you are able to do things, you're starting on second base instead of first, but that's the ice on the cake. I agree with your point exactly. Peter, I got to bring this back because selfishly, there's more I want to learn about Claude even though I'm already using it. Artifacts and GPTs that don't seem to exist in Claude, at least the way I understand GPT. What say you, sir?

Peter Swain (27:02):

No, you are completely correct. So artifacts are your ability to output stuff, whether it's a game, you could output a game of Pac-Man and play the game of Pac-Man and share the game of Pac-Man with somebody, or it could be a dashboard, or it could be a data visualization or insert blank here. To me, they're a bit of an afterthought, to be quite honest. I think that it's a good idea in the making, but I don't think they've actually brought it to a place where it's really useful yet in any major way. And you're right that they haven't done anything with custom GPTs, which is quite frustrating because they have ... So we've talked about these before, but basically a custom GPT is a pre-programmed process, AI process. So you can take your prompts, wrap it in a custom GPT and send it to somebody else.

(27:57):

And there are only two current systems that have an equivalent, which is a Google Gem and a ChatGPT custom GPT. So Grock doesn't have one, Claude doesn't have one. So these are more personal uses than they are shareable assets. Now, that said, I don't know many people in the entrepreneur space anyway, that when they get good enough with AI, carry on using custom GPTs anyway, because it's so quick and easy to reprompt AI once you're good at prompting that even saving it into a custom GPT is an unnecessary step because you're probably going to do it slightly differently the next time around anyway. So I don't miss not having them in Claude, but it's certainly a weakness.

Joe Downs (28:51):

Interesting. So you just shed a little light on artifacts for me that I didn't look at them in that way. I thought that was literally just, at least when you create something like a document and it creates ... There's two sections, there's artifacts and your artifacts. I thought that was just how we download our document out of it.

Peter Swain (29:12):

No, if you publish the artifact, you can share it with somebody, so you could share a dashboard with somebody.

Joe Downs (29:19):

Oh, thank you for answering that. I always thought that was published out to the outside world and I was like, "Oh, I don't want to publish this

Peter Swain (29:26):

Thing." Well, it kind of is, but it's not made ... It's public, but it's not advertised. So only the people that know the URL will be able to use it. They update it. Anyway, yeah, it's one of those, it seems like a great idea that they haven't quite finished.

Joe Downs (29:45):

All right. Interesting. Well, we're going to have to do a second episode on Claude because we didn't cover even a third of what I wanted to cover, and we're short on time. We owe a Parlor trick, but actually these things change so much anyway. I'm sure we'll do multiple deep dives on all of them at some point In the future. But still, an amazing, amazing show so far. Knowledge on Claude and how to use it. And you're so right. It's all about thinking like entrepreneurs and using it like an entrepreneur. What do you have? What kind of hack do we have here for folks with the document upload and having an explain it or summarize it? But selfishly, explain to me, let's say I do load up a legal document. Isn't there a way for it to you to interact with Claude back and forth?

(30:30):

Am I oversimplifying something?

Peter Swain (30:32):

So you can. I mean, first of all, the thing about Claude, I'm using this as a compliment, is there isn't as many PolarTricks because it's all just really useful stuff. It's almost even degrading to even speak into the word Parlor trick, because for example, Claude added ask your organization. So if you've got a Google account, for example, you can connect Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Drive, Slack, and you can literally talk to your business without tanging it anything. You can just start asking questions around, how do we do this? What is the process for this? How does this work? How does this work? And it's going to keep up.

Joe Downs (31:23):

I didn't realize that. So how do you do that? I have everything connected. How do you do that?

Peter Swain (31:30):

So I mean, we can just do this for you. That's what the show is for. So if you come into here and then on the side, you've got this ask your organization button and then you connect your tools.

Joe Downs (31:43):

Mine are connected. I just didn't know how to ask it.

Peter Swain (31:48):

So let's just connect through this.

Joe Downs (31:49):

And then while you're doing that, is this a dashboard? Can we collaborate here as an organization?

Peter Swain (31:57):

Yeah. So this is their team accounts. So if you're in a team account, you can create public projects, private projects that work well with the team. I'm not going to connect Slack now, but you can see we've got Gmail connected, Google Calendar, Google Drive connected. And then what's on the calendar for later today, please?

Joe Downs (32:22):

Since that was your prompt, can you have that scheduled every morning? Boom, here's what's on your calendar today.

Peter Swain (32:30):

No, you can't do timed work. You can be notified when it returns. So you can see it's checking the calendar now and it's actually going to sit and think. Okay, so I've got all the calendars, so I need to figure out what later today, since the user is in this time zone. Let me do the following. And then what we can do is we can start doing, I've got a packed calendar here, I've got this at three, this at eight, this at 8:30. Then I've got this, then I've got the mastermind, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Joe Downs (33:02):

It's clearly demonstrating that it's connected to your Google calendar and then obviously your Google organization, I'm

Peter Swain (33:11):

Assuming. But this is a great example. You got a double booking at 10:00 that you sorting. Which one are you attending? 10:00 PM, I'll be on the mastermind call. So it will now cancel the other meeting if I want it to. And I could ask it to send an email to the person apologizing that I got double booked.

Joe Downs (33:32):

Amazing.

Peter Swain (33:33):

And it's going to go through all those things.

Joe Downs (33:35):

Absolutely amazing. All right. Well, we got to bring this home. Thank you for that though, Peter. Folks, if you found today's episode Enlightening, and you should have, especially for an entrepreneur, please like this episode. Let's share these AI tools with entrepreneurs who need them. Subscribe because you're not going to want to miss next week. We're going to go over Mannis, the AI that actually does the work while you get coffee, and you definitely don't want to miss that. And then share this with the perfectionist in your life, the one who rewrites emails four times, or the one who tried AI and hated how robotic it sounded, because maybe it was ChatGPT is what they tried first. Share this episode with them with just these three words. Try this one. And folks, lastly, we are now set up to receive email, idiots@successfulidiots.com, or if you dare, idiots@successfuliidiots.ai.

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I prefer that one since this is an AI podcast. Send us any topics that are confusing you, anything you want us to cover, anything you want us to go over, questions. We are reading emails and would love to respond. Peter, easy one today because we both love Claude, but I also love Manus, so I'm really looking forward to next week as well. See you then.

Peter Swain (34:59):

Manus is a cool one as well. And here's my recommendation for Claude. I've heard of lots of people try Claude. I haven't heard anyone leave it.

Joe Downs (35:08):

We're going to leave you with that. See you next week, folks.