NN - EP12 - Two Friends Weigh Golf, Guitars, And The Cost Of Free Speech On Private Platforms

Originally released June 2020

We chase small joys—a new 12‑string and a backyard putting green—then tackle the hard question of who should moderate speech online when bots, labels, and politics collide. Practical habits for calm meet clear-eyed talk on Section 230, disinformation, and trust.

• buying a 12‑string and picking a practical putting green
• Section 230 basics and platform liability
• Twitter labels, Facebook state‑media tags, bot studies
• who moderates speech and what authority exists
• distrust of big tech versus distrust of government
• friendship friction over protests and how to listen
• coping tactics: yoga, yard work, walks, cooking
• VR and 3D scanning as evidence tools
• Hedy Lamarr’s frequency hopping legacy
• show updates: YouTube workflow, directories, Patreon

Let us know what your opinion is about the social media conundrum these days and the executive order from President Trump regarding Section 230 and the social media platform. 

Give us a call and drop a three-minute or less voicemail message at 541-314-4271.

Chapters

• 0:00 Banter, Shopping Sprees, New Toys
• 2:00 Backyard Golf Plans Take Shape
• 5:30 Netflix, Guitars, And A Music Shop
• 9:30 Pivot To Section 230 And Moderation
• 12:30 Bots, Labels, And Platform Power
• 18:00 Free Speech, Regulation, And Radio
• 24:00 Trust, Disinformation, And Authority
• 29:00 Protests, Extremes, And Friendship
• 34:00 Detaching With Yoga, Yard Work, Music
• 40:00 Masks, Caution, And Finding Balance
• 44:00 VR Forensics And Evidence Tech

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:05

Nerds and Nonsense was recorded hard drive in front of a previously recorded studio audience. How the hell are you, man?

SPEAKER_00: 0:29

I'm not pretty sure. I had a shopping day to brighten my spirits.

SPEAKER_01: 0:34

A shopping day? Nice. I bought a guitar. Oh, dude, you know what? I bought something I didn't need today.

SPEAKER_00: 0:43

We said I didn't need a guitar. Well, you just took me down the wrong road, Mister.

SPEAKER_01: 0:51

Oh. But seriously, like I bought this stupid thing I've been looking at for the backyard, this putting green, you know, three-hole putting green thing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00

You mentioned the golf thing. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02

Which guitar did you get? Did you go ahead and get the uh oh no no?

SPEAKER_00: 1:07

That's that's that guitar will be a bank loan purchase.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12

No, this is a guitar that I could easily purchase with my debit card. Oh it's a 12-string, it's a washprint. It's really nice though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20

Oh, what was the other one that you were going to get? What was it called? I was gonna get a Martin. Martin, right, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26

Yeah, they're like top of the line. That's gonna be about four or five grand. So yeah. Yeah, I'll have my local bank take care of that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34

Right? Well, you know, I've like I said, I haven't touched those golf clubs in years, literally years. And then Sunday afternoon, you know, the weather here's just been so gloomy, kind of rainy, overcast for so long. Uh, Sunday afternoon, the sun's peeking through here and there, and I decide to dust off the pitching wedge and go out back and hit some balls. And man, I I was just out there listening to music and pitching golf balls for like two hours. It was amazing. It was like an incredible, and so that's what got me onto the putting thing. I'm like, oh well, what if I put a putting green out here? I could just chip to the putting green and then practice, you know, and yeah, I I don't want to put all that much effort into it. I got I got the perfect spot for it, too. Like, I even have the dirt ready to like shape the green how I want it. I just have to cover it with artificial turf and then trim it, and but I'm not gonna do all that, man.

SPEAKER_00: 2:36

Okay, you flip-flop, man. You're like, it's so great, it's beautiful. I could do this, I'm gonna do it. But it's like made of gold, but that's you know, but you know, I do have everything to do, it wouldn't take five minutes.

SPEAKER_01: 2:49

I'm still not convinced, right?

unknown: 2:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:53

Talking yourself out of it.

SPEAKER_01: 2:55

I well, what I just did was uh the thing I bought was this, it's only five foot by ten foot, but it's artificial grass with you know a three-hole putting uh surface that I can roll up and roll out, you know, so five foot by ten foot, and I've got the perfect area. I'm just gonna, you know, of course I could just use it on the deck, but where I pitch to, because I pitch from the back of the house out towards that swing set in the horseshoe area, horseshoe pit area, and and right in front of the swing set, I mowed the grass down today to like as low as my mower goes.

unknown: 3:34

You know.

SPEAKER_01: 3:36

Not bad. It's you know, that's the area that often gets mossy right there because there's so much shade and uh stuff, and and we have to water because we're high desert and it just burns up if you don't. So, but in any case, that's where I'm gonna put it. Right in front of the swing set is gonna be this little three-hole putting uh thing that was like 260 bucks on Amazon, and I really did not need to spend that money.

SPEAKER_00: 4:02

But damn you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:05

I I kept trying to talk myself out of it. I'm like, you know, I can just get the grass and do a really, really nice one, nice size one, uh, you know, a big, you know, 30-foot area with contours and be able to move the whole location, you know, and all of that, but then you gotta maintain actually that section. Just was like, nah. This is easy.

SPEAKER_00: 4:30

You have to hire a greens keeper, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:35

All that stuff. Yeah, so where what how where'd the how'd the guitar come about then? If you've been thinking about this, Martin, how'd this this one come about? Just walking to the bottom.

SPEAKER_00: 4:45

Oh, I watched a special on Netflix is Queen. And he was playing this guild 12 string, and I'm like, man, I bet you Brian's house music has one of those. I'm going to get one. That was my mission today to drive over. And uh and plus I didn't even know if they were still open. I didn't know if this had destroyed them or not in the pandemic.

SPEAKER_01: 5:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 5:07

And thankfully he didn't, because I don't know what I'd have done without these people, man. I rely on that music store so much.

SPEAKER_01: 5:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 5:15

Oh, and in the course of the way, I insulted a blind guy. Oh, nice. You know, you know those at the amusement park, you get those little invisible dog things. It looks like a dog's that's a leash, but there's no dog in it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:31

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00: 5:32

I thought that's what he had. Well, apparently it wasn't. God.

SPEAKER_01: 5:40

You called him out on it? You just go up to him and go, it's not funny.

SPEAKER_00: 5:46

No, I'm blind. No, I'm blind. I'm sorry. Is this gonna be on the news? Shit.

SPEAKER_01: 5:59

So the music shop was open. That's that's definitely a plus.

SPEAKER_00: 6:03

Yeah, it's a mom and pop.

SPEAKER_01: 6:06

Here's what something from the news. I've been, you know, I told you I wanted to talk about this whole uh you know presidential order regarding social media and basically how Trump is, you know, playing both sides of that of that fence, in my opinion. Because I think, you know, and I really am trying to stay, you know, completely obviously everyone knows my feelings for Trump. And that's for for Mr. Trump, you know, as an individual since I've you know known him the early 80s.

SPEAKER_00: 6:36

And that you're in love?

SPEAKER_01: 6:38

No, I mean the dude like totally wrecked the USFL, and I was a huge fan when I was a kid, and I was so mad about that, you know. And there's a great Netflix, I think it's on Netflix, might be on ESPN documentary. Oh, dude, he to his ego just completely wrecked that league. One of the coolest things professional football had going for a long time, and he had, you know, he had his own team, but he wanted it to be an NFL team. So bad because they wouldn't let him in, you know. But in any case, I'm sorry, that's my opinion. I'm trying to stay away from the, you know, doing that, you know. But this whole social media thing, the the perplexing part of it is that he's essentially saying, hey, let's re you know, let's let's revoke their protection under Section 230 as a platform so that they're not held liable, you know, for content shared by their users. Let's revoke that protection because they're uh moderating the content, essentially. You know, that's my 50,000 foot overview of it. So it it's it's really perplexing to me what Twitter did, you know. Did you see what they did? Like they they put a yeah, they they they limited one of his tweets and put a you know a notice on it.

SPEAKER_00: 8:00

Uh yes, I am aware of that. Yeah. So I thought I was about to say, oh man, you know, I don't know that, but no, I do. Right. Yes. They got him.

SPEAKER_01: 8:08

And and you know, so of course, his natural reaction, again, this is my but but his natural reaction is, you know, you can't. I'm the president of the United States, I have absolute authority, you know, and that's his position. Yep. And you know, I the other thing that really got me the other day, somebody again in another story mentioned how you know they really uh were were impressed by his business uh prowess. That's why they voted for him. I'm like, did you miss the 90s? Were you not around? Did you ever read anything from the 90s? But this this is what uh a couple of the headlines related to that whole discussion about social media and who's responsible. Are you know, aren't we responsible as users for for some of that? And and you know, it I find it baffling that people completely disconnect and you know don't feel any responsibility uh for their actions because they're on the internet, right? Yeah, I mean, they just think it's okay to type it into a computer. Why if you wouldn't do it to somebody in person? In any case. More than half of Twitter's reopen America calls are from bots study finds. This was on uh ZDNet, June 1st. Fear is a familiar political weapon, and it appears to be just as effective as it always has been. In a now familiar truth scenario, malicious actors are creating bots to sow dissent and division. That's according to a new study out of Carnegie Mellon, which found that half of all Twitter calls to reopen the country may be from bots. Again, that one was on ZDNet June 1st. Surprise, surprise! America. I mean, I've been talking about this for months, both with the you know, consumer privacy stuff we talked about back in January, uh, the Cambridge Analytica stuff, of course, all of that. It's their entire there is so many bad actors out there operating at a scale that is just baffling to the average, you know, American citizen, apparently, because there are so many of them and they've been so effective at sowing division and creating discontent, right? And getting people to be on extreme ends. There is no middle, there is no, you've got to be on the far right or your far left. There is, and we hate each other. There's no fixing that. So I'm not gonna listen to what you got to say. You're not gonna listen to what I got to say, right? It's crazy to me, absolutely crazy. But yeah, so folks, this stuff is, you know, is happening. You know, there are bad actors out there trying to get you pissed off, you know, trying to get you with their headlines, trying to use images in their post that are fake, that are, you know, incinerary, incinerary. They're they're basically inflammatory, freaking, you know, getting people fired up and shit. And even worse when they use fake images, right?

unknown: 11:27

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01: 11:28

Yep. It drives me together. Here's another one though. Uh June 4th, on The Verge. Facebook starts labeling state-controlled media pages, and it will ban their ads in the U.S. Facebook has begun labeling media outlets that are wholly or partially under the editorial control of their government. Following an announcement of the policy in 2019, it will start labeling ads from these outlets later this year, as well as banning state-controlled media from advertising inside the U.S. The company company is labeling these pages because they combine the influence of a media organization with the strategic backing of a state. And we believe people should know if the news they read is coming from a politician that may be under the influence of a government. So on and so forth. That was Facebook starts labeling state-controlled media pages.

SPEAKER_00: 12:27

D-U-I-G. What's that? Driving under the influence of driving under the influence of government.

SPEAKER_01: 12:33

Right. Operating under the influence of government. But the president of the United States, right, chose Twitter as his platform of choice many years ago in the social media space. And you know, to his credit and part of his marketing genius about himself, the narcissistic piece of that, but he's very, very effective, you know, at repeating the same thing over and over, at causing, you know, division and creating these extremes, in my opinion. So I'm kind of glad. I just wish there was, you know, let's think about this. Think about radio. And how, right? Let's say in the 1960s you wanted to start a radio station, and so you got a license as an operator, you got a license for the frequency, you got a license as a broadcaster, right? You go on the air and you just start dropping F bombs and and what have you. What happens?

SPEAKER_00: 13:35

You're Howard Stern, huh?

SPEAKER_01: 13:38

Right, right. Well, yeah, that that didn't go well for Howard, did it, right? You know, the government comes after you, they revoke licenses, they fine you, they right? So they're very controlling of the media and always have been. And this internet thing is perplexing to some politicians to the to the extent that, you know, should we control this the way we have other other you know mediums in the past because of the damage it can do? And what we've seen, unequivocally, there is no question that the 2016 election and many other elections, not just in the US, have been affected by disinformation practices, huge campaigns by government actors and others. I mean, that's fact. That's not crazy tinfoil hat shit. You know, even our own government admits it. Bipartisan committees, you know. So it drives me crazy. But so who's gonna moderate it? The government or them? Right? That's the perplexing thing I don't understand about Trump's position, is like, you know, well, I want to revoke their protection. This other article from CNET says Americans don't trust content decisions made by social media giants, study says. This was on CNET just yesterday. But they trust the government even less, says a new report from Gallup and the Knight Foundation. They don't trust the social media giants, but they trust the government even less. Which which is crazy, you know, it really is crazy because the government is us, and that's the disconnect that's happened over, you know, the last 80 years, in my opinion, roughly. Uh, you know, listen to JFK back in the you know early 60s talking about, you know, that this isn't you know capitalist, this isn't socialists, it's a hybrid, and you know, that there is a cost to tax dollars being removed, you know, from the budget, federal budget, both in you know, our economy in many ways, you know, so on and so forth. I don't know. It it it's just uh who does Trump want to win this battle? Who is he gonna is he going to say, well, because his his executive order can only ask the FCC and others like if you know FTC, uh ask the Federal Trade Commission and FCC uh Federal Communications Commission, you know, hey, look into this. We think that that's essentially all he can do because he has no authority over them, they're independent uh bodies, supposedly, right? Certainly has leverage, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00: 16:30

Yes, he's probably asked. Can I fire these guys?

SPEAKER_01: 16:33

Can I think exactly who can I fire? That's exact your ex listen. There there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly the question he probably asked. Can I fire them if they don't do what I tell them or ask them to do, right? That's of course. Saturday night massacre part du.

SPEAKER_00: 16:58

Yep. He demands loyalty, my friend. But this is what gets me.

SPEAKER_01: 17:02

White House propaganda video falsely claims domestic terrorists planted bricks for the protesters. This was on Gizmode June fourth. White House propaganda video falsely claims domestic terrorists planted bricks for the protesters. So our own White House putting out disinformation, not just misinformation, oops, we made a mistake, putting out disinformation intentionally, purposely, right? Uh absolutely nuts. And they wonder, you know, where's this trust in government uh going? How come we don't trust our government anymore? Snowden, right? All of that, uh Cambridge Analytica. And now the public's going batshit crazy attacking all police as if if every you know police agency and police officer is, you know, aggressive and and you know uh uh racist or whatever, you know, it just seems crazy to me the extremes to which people take their frustration. I got in a bit of uh an argument with uh a close friend of mine about the protests themselves. You know, because his position was, you know, I I'm I'm all for protest, both of us. He's he you know, we're we're both, no question there, peaceful protest. I am certainly I fall behind Martin Luther King more than I fall behind Malcolm X in that regard, is all I'm saying. And he was kind of the other leaning the other way towards Malcolm X, you know, and and I'm like, dude, that that's just not, you know, that's not how you can't fight hate with hate. You can't destroy your own communities, and you know, I uh but you know, so that uh anyways, we got into a heated bit about it, and you know, I I eventually I hung up on him, told him I wouldn't, but I uh but I ended up hanging up on him. And then he called back and I, you know, told him off and hung up, and and then you know, I ended up calling him and and reaching out to him and chatting about a half hour you know, about a half hour later or so because he's you know he's not listening I am happy to disagree with my friends, with the people that I care about, with complete strangers. I'm fine disagreeing with you. I don't need to fight every single issue I disagree with you on tooth and nail. That's not who I am, right? I'm not gonna push my beliefs on you. I'm not gonna, you know, that's just not who I am. So if you get upset about Your particular beliefs, or sharing your beliefs, or discussing your beliefs. You know, that's that's beyond me. I don't know. But I can tell you this: other Republicans have uh deep reservations. FCC Republican has deep reservations about Trump's social media crackdown. Uh this was on ARS Technica just uh two days ago, June 15th. FCC Republican has deep reservations about Trump's social media crackdown, says FCC may have no authority to impose Trump's big tech order, O'Reilly said. Uh President Trump has some convincing to do in order to get his social media crackdown through the Federal Communications Commission. Michael O'Reilly, part of the FCC's three to two Republican majority, says he has doubts about whether the FCC has authority to implement Trump's order regarding Twitter and other online platforms. With Republican Commissioner Brenda Carr having enthusiastically endorsed Trump's executive order and Democrats opposed to it, the views of O'Reilly and Chairman Ajit Pai will play a big role in determining the outcome. So, you know, that that was nice to see. It's just I mean, I don't know what what's gonna become of it. I I have no control over it, right? But it's nice to see people willing to listen, willing to look at evidence, willing to consider, you know, all aspects of a situation rather than shut down the discussion just because of what party they belong to, who happens to be in the White House, that sort of thing. And and people who know me know, you know, listen, I didn't vote for Obama. I didn't. You know, I I I didn't vote for Trump for sure. But I'm yeah, I'm an independent and I didn't vote, you know, I was not, although Obama won me over. I admit that. I always have admitted that. Obama won me over. I disagreed with a number of his practices and how he treated some of the civil unrest and issues with police uh during his administration at times. But so so it's not a party thing to me, and and people people don't believe that, you know, just at its surface, people don't believe that. No, it's always a party thing, Larry. It's always, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 22:32

It's easier, it's easier to allude to that. Right. It brings on conclusion, and you're like, we're done now.

SPEAKER_01: 22:38

That's right.

SPEAKER_00: 22:39

More thinking, no more effort. That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 22:42

That's right. That's exactly how that happens. And you know, just as guilty, and you and others, you know, we're we're just as guilty as the next person. So I'm not not saying I don't do the same on certain times, like in the conversation with uh with my friend, you know, shutting it down and hanging up because I just, you know, I wasn't gonna hear it at that time. And uh so yeah. You know, you gotta be you gotta be in the space to process that stuff, and you can't live in that space forever because you will be miserable, right? You will be miserable. That's why I have bought a five by ten practice putting green that I'm gonna roll out out back in my yard, and that's gonna be my summer, hopefully, is chipping across my yard, mowing, putting, feeding birds and critters, squirrels, deer, things of that nature. That's that's my plan. As much as you want to be when you grow up. That's exactly that's exactly what I wanted to be. I can, you know, the beauty is that I can help remotely, I can contribute remotely, and have been doing that, you know, a vast majority of my career, so it's not as much a shock to my system as it has been for many others to stay home, to go through some of these challenges. Uh still, still a challenge, you know, but and I have my moments and and times where I'm just completely like, you know, even though it's you know, four of us in the house, uh Stacy and I, you know, and Ryan and Jacob, it's still, you know, we we're in four four different areas of the house in four different time, you know, schedules. And so it's it's you're you're you know, you've got your space to be alone. And I am alone a lot in front of my computers, you know, working during the day. And so I make a conscious effort, you know, and have for the last few years to be trying to disconnect at the end of the day, you know, half hour after the office closes, have a shutdown point where I disconnect, and yoga has been huge with that. That was a huge, huge thing for us. Starting that last year, because of the meditation piece more than anything. I mean, the stretching is just amazing, but but you know, that that piece where you disconnect from your work day and you disconnect from everything, and you're just focusing on you and trying to be healthy and you know, exercise and stretch for a half an hour and then go back to your crazy, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 25:26

So we call Larry's house is gonna be like this. He can't come to the phone now, he's in his yoga pants disconnecting.

unknown: 25:33

That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 25:36

He'll be right back to you after he has disconnected yoga pants with a manteau. Never thought of yoga pants, man. That is horrible.

SPEAKER_00: 25:46

You know you'll package just in there like a boom.

SPEAKER_01: 25:51

Well, we do yoga, you know, in our living room with the big huge picture window. We're looking right out at our beautiful backyard. And Stacy just the other day, she's like, you know, uh, if we have nice weather, we should we should do it out outside sometime. And I'm like, yeah. And then it we had that one really warm day, and that was the day, and I'm like, except I like the AC. I'm okay doing it in the AC. I do like the fresh air though, especially like now this week when it's been raining a lot and stuff. I love mowing, working in the garden in between storms, that sort of thing. It's just refreshing.

SPEAKER_00: 26:30

Yes, we're in the first day of our warm-up.

SPEAKER_01: 26:33

How's your new mower, by the way? You got that bad boy riding contraption.

SPEAKER_00: 26:38

Yeah, man. I'm using premium gas and it flies. I've been just waiting for the grass to grow. I'm like, man, seems like when I didn't have this thing, it was all my ever time I looked out the window, I needed to mow. I needed someone to mow.

SPEAKER_01: 26:53

Hey, dude, we're talking about mowing our lawns.

SPEAKER_00: 26:58

What's holding up the suicide, eh? Let's just get this over with, will you?

SPEAKER_01: 27:10

Oh. I am enjoying it though. I am really, really enjoying it far more than I thought I would. I've still got a long way to go. You know, my brain is just constantly going, so I'm constantly working, constantly thinking about work. But I've come across some tricks that have been very helpful the last couple of years, yoga being a big, big help. Yard work's always been a huge help because I can just zone out and listen to music, you know, that sort of thing. But going on walks with Stacy, just spending time together, you know, dedicating some time together with Stacy and Brian, like cooking dinners and stuff. That's been so much fun. We've been doing it so much more since all of this, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 27:51

That sounds awesome. I just I just have to ride a Harley and shit.

SPEAKER_01: 27:55

I know. It's horrible, isn't it? Just horrible. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 27:59

Got nobody to spend my money on, so I got lots of it.

SPEAKER_01: 28:05

And new guitars. New guitars. Oh my gosh. What's your collection up to now?

SPEAKER_00: 28:18

Oh shit. You know, I was thinking earlier about doing a family picture, but I thought, good God, I'm not dragging all that shit out, so it's up to that.

SPEAKER_01: 28:27

Yes, it's up to that.

SPEAKER_00: 28:29

I probably got about in stringed instruments. I mean, I can divide them up. I got like four electrics and so in all the stringed instruments, there's at least 17 or 18.

SPEAKER_01: 28:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 28:42

Some are in the closet. Like my old 12 string is the reason I bought this new 12 string, and I took the old 12 string to the closet. They can't satisfy me.

SPEAKER_01: 28:55

Well, sure, sure. I I get I totally get it, you know. I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_00: 29:00

When I put the 12 string in there amongst the other guitars that have been rejected, they're probably like, so what'd you do? And the 12 string's like, I don't know, man. He just took forever to string. I took a strap off of him, I took the strap button off of him and zipped him back up, took his humidifier out, put it in the new 12 strings case, and stuck the old 12 string up in the out in the closet with the other guitars that I never messed with.

SPEAKER_01: 29:28

Oh man, you're so rude. So rude. Well, look, I think I think Stacy's got some pasta going, so I am gonna go try and grab some dinner. Yeah, she's I think she's done up some pasta with like a very light sauce, oil-based sauce, some tomatoes, all kinds of stuff in there. It looked uh light and yummy. And I am definitely in the mood for light and yummy.

SPEAKER_00: 29:58

Oh, your vocabulary. I don't know, it just seems like you're just inches from address. Shit. Yummy shit. Go ahead, though. It's all good. Just because you got a wife, man.

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

Oh man. All right. Well, thanks for busting my balls.

SPEAKER_00: 30:17

Well, I gotta do a little bit, man. Only if it's funny, though. I promise you, I'll never do it seriously.

SPEAKER_01: 30:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00: 30:23

Only if it's hilarious. You know, some way to yeah, that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 30:28

All right, man. Well, we'll catch up. I'm gonna go see if I can get something to eat. Oh. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00: 30:36

Easy. COVID. Give me the virus, man.

SPEAKER_01: 30:39

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00: 30:40

Shit.

SPEAKER_01: 30:42

Man, I just went to the grocery store. That was you. Oh. We have been like so careful too. You know, I'm extremely careful because of Stacy's, you know, situation. So and Ryan is a bit of a germaphobe like her, anyways. So he's been very good and very careful. And Jacob's, you know, picked up on some of that habit. So yeah. So I'm the only one that should be going out to the store, you know, to pick things up and stuff. And I've been good about wearing a mask when I go into the grocery store.

SPEAKER_00: 31:21

Yeah, I finally got me a real mask.

SPEAKER_01: 31:23

Did you?

SPEAKER_00: 31:24

Well, I've been wearing those kind of dust masks, like you know, you use if you're cutting wood. Yeah. It's just a blue thing that looks like those the other ones, they look like panties anyway, the ones that people are wearing.

unknown: 31:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 31:36

It seems like somebody got some panties and they're just putting them over their face. I got these ones, the other white cotton panties. But I look like everybody else with panties on my face.

SPEAKER_01: 31:48

Yeah. I bet they'd sell like hotcakes.

SPEAKER_00: 31:52

Yeah, Beimart had them, a whole bin full of them.

SPEAKER_01: 31:55

Oh man. We've got those disposable ones because Stacy had a ton of them from you know doing nails, so she has had new packages of them, you know, stocked up. So we were very lucky. So I keep a couple in the truck and swap them out every now and then. That sort of thing. But yeah, uh it's gonna be a while, man, before I'm not doing that, is I guess my point, you know, and I and I'm not I'm not like going nuts about that piece of it. I wanna I wanna take time and enjoy this, you know, moment by moment. And I know like enjoy is not the right word to, but I want to uh process this because I think we're as a society, I think we're gonna be growing, you know. There's gonna be a lot of positive change out of this, and I kind of want to watch that happen and be a part of it if I can. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 32:50

I dig. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01: 32:52

Right?

SPEAKER_00: 32:53

And uh I was giving you a thumbs up, you probably didn't see it. No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01: 32:57

I missed it. I missed it.

SPEAKER_00: 32:58

Man, I'm big on that thumbs up. I was looking at all my text and I was like, holy shit, I used that a lot.

SPEAKER_01: 33:04

Hey, you know what? I saw today, well, not today. I I put out a post today on our our Patreon community about 3D laser scanning, VR, video evidence, forensic architecture in this video report that was released from a research group funded by out of the University of London funded by the European Research Council regarding a shooting that occurred, police shooting back in 2011. And given the times like today, I just didn't want to, you know, do it publicly. So but and I don't even want to talk about the case or any of that. I don't want to talk about the case. You know, I I I just wanted to share the video that they publicly shared, video report, because it demonstrated some really, really cool things. It, you know, all in in this investigation that they did. But my concerns, you know, were immediate in in regards to their bias, of course. It's part of their mission to be, you know, looking off they're doing what they refer to as counter forensics. But in any case, I I privately released it. So if you're looking for a good example, log into our Patreon community or my DME resources site and see some of the things that are being done these days uh with these technologies. And and and I don't want to talk about the case.

SPEAKER_00: 34:27

Sounds really smart.

SPEAKER_01: 34:30

It's pretty fascinating technologies, and there's a lot of them deployed here, but like you know, the whole virtual reality thing, I've done 3D laser scanning on cases and I've built models, stitched, you know, scans, done all of that stuff on casework, and and always thought it was absolutely fascinating, even before I did. And and then actually getting into VR, you know, years ago and seeing like connecting the two, right? And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be so amazing someday, right? Uh so it's interesting to see how it's starting to play out. Like going, you know, you're there at the scene, you're there able to, you know, through various technologies and accura, very, very precise and accurate measurements, you know, replicate the scene and revisit it, and it's just so cool.

SPEAKER_00: 35:21

It's more cool. Yeah. It's pretty smart, I just said, huh? What'd you say? And it stays pretty sterile.

SPEAKER_01: 35:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:32

But it's kind of messed it up by asking about it, so I guess we'll cancel that one.

SPEAKER_01: 35:36

Well, it's a whole nother whole nother discussion because this whole forensic architecture is what the the company is named forensic architecture. The research group is named forensic architecture, the discipline is also named forensic architecture, and it's supposed to be like a quasi-discipline of all of these researchers, you know, out of through working through University of London. But baffling, baffling. Just uh I thought it was an interesting example and something people might want to be aware of if they're in law enforcement, uh, in uh uh forensics, that sort of thing. So that's my crew, yo.

SPEAKER_00: 36:15

Yeah, I tell people about it all the time. If they seem interested, I start making all kinds of shit up about you. I told them that CSI said, yeah, he they made that show after him. He's a forensics analyst. Hey, remember he is famous all over the world. I'm like, I can't believe you don't know you never heard of this guy.

SPEAKER_01: 36:38

Hey, remember when we uh remember when you first saw the Osbornes and heard the theme song? And we we came up with that theme song like like years before that show ever came up. It was absolutely crazy when I saw it too. I remember I told Stacy, I was just like, that's crazy. We sat in your bedroom talking about that and doing the exact same you know style. It was just so hilarious. We have that kind of foresight, ladies and gentlemen. That's my point.

SPEAKER_00: 37:16

I don't know, man. I think somebody was listening to us and stole it. Right? Because listen to this stuff. The other day, somewhere, I think it was a comedian somewhere, did the term five head. You know when somebody's got a bigger than a forehead, more of a five head? We used to say that back in the service in formation. Yeah, remember. And now some comedians throwing it out, then I'm like, oh, you didn't make that up.

SPEAKER_01: 37:43

Oh, you can use it. There's nothing wrong with using it. It's still man, copyright protected five head.

SPEAKER_00: 37:53

That's not a four head, that's a five-head. Sound off! Yep. It's all still in me.

unknown: 38:04

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01: 38:05

All right. Hey, listen, I'm missing out on some awesome food.

SPEAKER_00: 38:08

I can just Yeah, we'll get your pasta.

SPEAKER_01: 38:10

All right, man. Thanks for chatting. We'll catch up soon.

SPEAKER_00: 38:13

All right.

SPEAKER_01: 38:15

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