The Scandi Shift
The Scandi Shift: Two expat mamas, one epic adventure, and a treasure trove of tales!
Join Meg and Selena as they dish out The Scandi Shift — a cheeky, raw guide to cracking the code of life in Denmark. Dive into the expat experience that no relocation brochure dares to reveal!
Every episode, we unravel the unexpected, the delightful, and the “Wait… is this for real?” moments of moving abroad, parenting, working, and making connections in Copenhagen. From tackling the Danish school system to braving the long Scandinavian winters, navigating quirky customs, forging friendships, savoring the local cuisine, and just plain surviving. Consider us your crash-test dummies.
We’re here for practical tips, hygge vibes, and our honest take on hitting the reset button as expat parents in Denmark.
Tune in every other week for funny, honest conversations about expat life, family, culture, and starting over abroad.
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Episode 7: Do You Belong in Denmark? Fitting In vs Belonging as an Expat
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Belonging is something many people search for when they move to a new country — but what does it actually mean to belong somewhere?
In this episode of The Scandi Shift, Meg and Selena shift from their usual light-hearted observations about life in Denmark to a deeper conversation about belonging, identity, and what it really feels like to build a life abroad.
Prompted by a recent post from an expat leaving Copenhagen after struggling to feel accepted, they unpack a question many international residents quietly wrestle with:
Is fitting in the same thing as belonging?
Drawing from their own experiences growing up in different cultures and moving across countries, Meg and Selena explore the emotional and practical sides of building a life somewhere new — from language and friendship to identity and the slow process of building a community.
They also reflect on why belonging can take longer in Denmark than people expect, and why many newcomers underestimate the patience required when integrating into a society with deeply rooted social circles.
This episode marks the beginning of a new mini-series exploring belonging in Denmark, where they’ll examine different aspects of integration, identity, and what it means to truly feel at home in a place that wasn’t your birthplace.
In This Episode
We talk about:
• The difference between fitting in and truly belonging
• Why moving countries can trigger deeper questions about identity
• Growing up feeling like you don’t quite fit where you started
• How language can open doors to belonging abroad
• Why making friends in Denmark often takes longer than expected
• The role of community, friendships, and “finding your people”
• Why belonging is rarely a single moment — and more often a slow process
expat life Denmark, living in Denmark as a foreigner, belonging abroad, expat identity, making friends in Denmark, integration in Denmark, moving to Denmark experience, Copenhagen expat life, feeling at home abroad, life as an international in Denmark
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Welcome back to the Scandis Show, the podcast where two expat moms talk honestly about surviving, thriving, and building a happy life in Denmark. I'm Selena and I'm Meg.
SPEAKER_00Now, before we jump into today's episode, we wanted to say a big thank you. Yay! Yay. To all our regular listeners. We're still warming up here, but the reception so far has been absolutely amazing. And we can thank you guys enough. The big news is we have charted in the top 200 on Apple and Denmark.
SPEAKER_01I oh, it's so crazy. And yeah, like to said it's early days. I mean, this is what episode seven? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, this will be yeah, plus Sabonis. Yeah. It just felt like such a fun achievement. And I know we've been doing it for just two months now. So this is all thanks to you guys and your engagement, and we're really happy.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and genuinely, thank you very much. We were like two gigan schoolgirls when we saw that. I'm screenshotting, sending it over, and we were like 136. It's not like we were top 10. No, no. But no, we'll take it. We'll say that.
SPEAKER_00I mean, let's be honest, we are no Oprah. Although one day we were, yeah, but we were higher than Oprah.
SPEAKER_01And that's, I think, what won it for you. Okay. Uh hello. We're doing better than Dualipa and Oprah right now in Denmark. So let's get puffy about that.
SPEAKER_00I know. I was like, Oprah? They're like a day? That's amazing. It's not words that you think will ever come out of your mouth. No, never.
SPEAKER_01Never. But we just please people want to listen. Uh all joking aside, as we do for this post this type, these types of moments and special updates and other content, to be honest, about our lives in Denmark on Instagram. So if you're not already, please follow us at the Scandy Shift. Um, because we also really like engaging people on there and DLMs and stuff.
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, it's a good way to reach us too if you want to like suggest an episode or even do a quick write-up. It's like we're happy with that. Okay. So today we are shifting gears a bit. We came off of a really fun episode, you know, Dane's Our Sew. And that was really lighthearted. And most of our content is pretty lighthearted. Um, but we wanted to go a little deeper today. So not to scare you off. We're not gonna completely reverse course, and every day it's gonna be heavy and intense. But I think there are some things about living here that sometimes do feel heavy and tense, and we wanted to address those as well. So today we're talking about belonging and exploring different angles and a few things nudge us to change direction for the episode today.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so we've been circulating this idea for a while in terms of what belonging looks like, why we felt it, why we didn't. And then separately, one of the things that just added some fuel to this conversation is we both saw this post from uh an expat who was leaving Copenhagen after spending a couple of years here raising a young family. Uh, and then decided that actually we were gonna move on because they didn't feel like they would ever be accepted. And yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00That's quite sad. Yeah, it was really sad. And it it landed with us because all of the people that were commenting, they really expressed very different thoughts about belonging and what it looks like. And in fact, it's not clear cut, it is very complicated subject, thought, idea, whatever you want to think about it best. But it is it's hard. And I think because we talk about being here, moving in Denmark, having Danish spouses, we have those subs that we want to be here long term and we want to have a sense of belonging. So we wanted to cover it today.
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00There are mixed replies on the comments, um, practical suggestions like try smaller towns. Kroppeniken can be really hard to be in, and obviously the usual language stuff. Like, are you speaking Danish? Did you try and speak Danish? Every day. Every day, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Is the optimum word there? Bravo. But I think all of this, like the sentiment all felt very familiar, this like mix of emotions. You know, there's some empathy, some defensiveness, some bias, and then some outright frustration. And all of it just sort of pushed us into digging into a bigger question, actually.
SPEAKER_00Yes, a hundred percent. And that question really is what does belonging actually mean? And what is the measure of whether someone truly belongs in a country that isn't their birthplace? How do we decide that? Who decides that? So you can already probably feel that this is not going to be a single episode. Obviously, it's a big question, but it's something wanted to tackle. And I said, we'll unpack this across a series of episodes over the next few months.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'll definitely touch on it. We'll still be back for more light-hearted content as well. Um, because you know, you can lack a little bit about some things here, but it's not exactly a joking conversation. It's a pretty uh somewhere to feel real like home. Yes, uh, which is kind of what we're all aspiring to when we change countries, right? We want to make it home. So when we're talking about belonging and what it means, I think we should really start with what it isn't. Because I think the term fitting in often gets used interchangeably with belonging. And I hear this all the time. And they're not the same thing, but people do talk about them like they are.
SPEAKER_00I agree. They're not. Fitting in is adapting your behavior and to match expectations around you, right? You are just one of many. Learning the norms, picking up social cues, figuring out how things work. But belonging, that that feels deeper. It feels it's more of a feeling of acceptance, being seen, connected, like you're part of the fabric and not just dressing for the role.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. And if you think about it, putting in is the behavioral, it's practical based. Belonging is emotional.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, 100%. Do you see where we're going with this?
SPEAKER_01We're getting deep already.
SPEAKER_00Look at that.
SPEAKER_01We put our philosopher hats on today. Welcome to Megan Sweeney's world of Weston. But it's something that we really care about. Yeah, it is. And the thing is, you need to do the behavioral stuff because that's gonna help move closer to belonging. But they'd fundamentally mean different things.
SPEAKER_00And when we hear people talking about their experiences here and realize they you can fit in really well and still not feel like you belong, right? So you can have done all of those things. You can on the surface look like you're there and not have a sense of like belonging or even an anchor here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, precisely. So when I first moved here as an example, all my let's call them fitting in wins is like life admin. So all the tick box activities, the cure headache that you experience when you move here of registering at the commune, getting your NEM ID, yes, I'm because I lived here pre-MIT ID. Look at you, ancient, ancient knowledge here now. But you know, setting up, figuring out a bike, learning what work attire means, that was a real thing for me. Like trainers and jeans were not my usual get up in London. Yeah. And I do mourn for those dresses and heels sometimes. Sometimes, not that practical here.
SPEAKER_00You are very stylish. You when we go out, you you bring a very lovely style that I'm like, Jesus, my years in San Francisco have deadened my senses style. I always have to feel like I had to step it up a little more.
SPEAKER_01She's never said that to me before. Oh, it's true. I haven't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, mine was a lot of the same, you know, but the biggest was scheduling everything, right? Really scheduling for me was a big change. A change of my language to match plans based on week. Okay. So people that are not Danish, or I guess even French, the French uses too. When they make plans, they reference it in week 10, week 20. Oh, are you free week 17?
SPEAKER_01And you're fucking what date is that? Like in every single time, I still do it now. I mean, I know what week one is, and I know generally week in between that's so annoying.
SPEAKER_00But it and also going to the 24-hour clock. Now I have lived in Italy, so I was used to the 24-hour clock, like talking about 1 p.m. being 13. So in the States we call that military time because it's regular time and military time. But when you live in Europe, it's just time, folks. It's just yeah, time.
SPEAKER_01And a lot of 24 hours, digital time. That's it. No, but seriously, all those live admin, the social cues, adapting, the fitting in obviously matters. They help you reduce the friction, they make daily lives smoother, and they also make you feel like you're making progress. And for me, that was so important at the start. I'm like, yay, I'm the official, I'm in the system, I'm riding a bike. You're given a bank account.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. That was that's a big deal. I thought that was a big deal. But even when you're doing all of that, it doesn't actually automatically create that rooted feeling, right? You're it don't really have a rooted feeling. You're just, oh look, now I have less on my to-do list.
SPEAKER_01No, it's true. It opens the doors, but it doesn't necessarily make you feel like you live inside the house. I can't.
SPEAKER_00You're knocking on the door still. You at least found the address.
SPEAKER_01And and language, of course, is something that we feel we need to explore as part of this whole mini-series. And we kind of are choosing to ignore that aspect a little bit because it's probably a big topic in and of itself. And but we are gonna loop back to that because I have my own thoughts, so does Meg. Uh, you know, especially after living here for almost nine years and not really speaking it. Yeah, not really speaking it. That is a confession. Yeah, anyone on here doesn't know me.
SPEAKER_00Now, meanwhile, she has a quite good accent when she's speaking. She says, I don't really speak it, but I hear you speaking it. You like sly speak it.
SPEAKER_01I do that I speak it. But it but where I sly speak it is like in the schoolyard. Basically, you're once gonna correct me at each goal at like hacking at it, you're like, yeah, I got this. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Um now, Selena, when did you first have the feeling of maybe not fully belonging somewhere? Was it here when you moved to Denmark or have you had that before?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I it wasn't here. I can pinpoint the feeling. I think it's this is such a complicated talk. And this is opening up. We're opening ourselves up on the subject. Yeah, this is yeah, I don't think I've ever really I'm not sure I've really ever talked about this before, but it's just hard to put it into words. So it's not one single moment or a person that made me feel like that. It was like a slow build of small things across years. So this slight background, I grew up in a very rural place and there was community, and I had friends, and I was getting first boy friends, I'm talking about when I was much, much, much younger here at a startup high school. You know, I played sports, but underneath all that, it was always this sort of persistent sense of just I belonged somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, it's so cheesy when you say it. And it had like a hole. It was more like a pull, yeah. And I constantly felt that. And I think the older I got, that got stronger.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then I remember um the first time that I actually said it out loud was to my mom, and I was 12. That's why I talk about this time. And my mom still reminds me, actually, of this time. So we were on a shopping trip, we were sitting outside a cafe in Manchester, and anyone who knows Manchester, it is it is far more gray than Copenhagen. So if it's not raining, that's great. If it's sunshine, it's like hallelujah, kind of come by our moments. And this is one of those rare moments. So we're sitting outside, clouds parted, and I needed like SPS 50 in like 12 degrees. But um, yeah, we were there and I just mentioned to her that I just wanted to live in a city when I was old enough. And then that moment just became like a goal of mine and the thing that I chased until university. And I think simply because I craved bigger, faster, and more diverse than where I was from. And honestly, I don't think small towns really suit my patience level. Huh. What do you mean by that? Yeah, my patience level on any level. And yeah, what do I mean? So it for anyone who knows me, I'm impatient, private, which is ha ha, I know jokes on me now. I avoid drama at all costs. Those are genuine things about me. So, as you can imagine, growing up in a small town where everybody knows everyone. Yeah, there's no mystery. And if you were different, you'd just stop out. But I did this in. So back to this point on the surface, I absolutely fit in, but it always felt like hard work and never peace. And I was constantly running through plans and quietly plotting to escape to somewhere where I could just breathe and finally be my full self. I wasn't just trying to fit in and I was actually feeling at peace inside. That's what I mean. Like it's a little bit of a difficult thing to explain.
SPEAKER_00But did you find that once you left and you went off to university, did you have that same feeling or did you feel like it interesting?
SPEAKER_01No. So I met the LIGO. I went away to university and I was in Liverpool. So, you know, big cosmopolitan city compared to where I was from. And I honestly loved my time there. And I met one of my oldest, dearest friends, yeah, while studying. But overall, it just felt like moving from A to B. It was necessary, but never going to be home because it is a little transient university. So that real belonging, that feeling of peace that I was kind of chasing and didn't come until I was 30. And I moved to London. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I I I I should caveat, I mean, I've had I've had times where I felt like I belonged, but they were more like fleeting and not long-lasting, where I just thought this is actually where I could stay and be happy and all that peace. Yeah. Um, but that happened to me, and I I honestly, in the first year when I moved to London, I changed careers. So that was a big thing. And then I found an extraordinary circle of friends, and many of whom I'm still close with today. But if I had just changed careers, I'm not sure that I would have found the same peace. I I believe it came from finding people with similar values. Yeah. Undramatic, not gossipy, super supportive, women for women. We worked hard, we played hard. And then soon after I met my husband. Yeah. So, you know, maybe it was just being in the right headspace that meant that I could open up and be in a long-lasting relationship. And finding that peace of mind, I don't know. I maybe, maybe not. Could have just been a huge coincidence. But in summary, for me, achieving life goals did not equate to belonging. I think that happened organically through finding my people. So the you hear the village and this. I really believe in it. I mean, my friends are my family in in Copenhagen. You know, you guys are super important to me. Um, and then the one last thing I will say is that with one or two exceptions, the interesting thing is all of my friends in London were born. I was the token local.
SPEAKER_00When the group, really? Okay, that's okay, that's crazy. That's crazy. Or it is, right? Yeah. Now you're now you're the minorities.
SPEAKER_01I was the local, you know, I had one or two exceptions, but the generally when we went out in this big girl group, I was the only Brit in London, I might root.
SPEAKER_00That's so cool. Look at you. Making others feel welcomed and creating an entire batch of family. I love that. I love that. What about you, Meg? What was your first experience of being lightning job for long? Okay. So I will say this this touches really close to home for me. Um, because for me, like you, it didn't start in Denmark. It started honestly as a child, very similar to you, but like earlier. So I'm biracial and I grew up in a time when being biracial wasn't that common or like coming from mixed backgrounds wasn't super common. It wasn't, I mean, this isn't 1930. It's like there were some people, but it was not as I'd say prevalent or or even maybe widely accepted as it as it is now. Yeah, and do you mean in the US? Yeah, specifically in Washington, where you grew up.
SPEAKER_01Oh, there, because I see it would have differed in states as much.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, oh yeah. I mean, states would have been a much crazier. It's it's more and more common, more accepted in Washington, DC. It's an international city. Lots of people look different, but kind of similar to you. I mean, I grew up in a big, quote, big city, but Washington, DC is actually a very small town. When you live there, when I was growing up, there was less than 500,000 people that actually lived in DC.
SPEAKER_01That's much smaller than people probably realize.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, much, much, much smaller. And so when you start, you know, taking that up by and how many children there are, then everyone much similar to you, everyone knows each other. You end up mixing in the same school. Yeah, it's it's a small community. But I feel like for me, there is always this subtle question of where do I fit in? How because I didn't look like either one of my family, like either side of my family. I looked a little different than both of them. Yeah. And so there is that outer fitting in. They say that it's really hard when you come from mixed cultures of where do you belong? It's just an assumption that you're gonna sit in one or sit in the other, and you have to choose. And sometimes I felt like I just didn't belong anywhere in particular. Um, and and yet everywhere at the same time.
SPEAKER_01And and that's such a different starting point as of belonging. Yeah. Than what I have.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I really kind of learned to code switch and to read rooms and sort of figure out what part of my personality do I made into a little bit more to feel like I belong, or to even fit in, that kind of combination of the two. And then just how do I find my space? And for me, it was very similar. Like it wasn't just like I'm finding my space with my family. It was finding my space and my belonging with friends, with people that shared my interests, that uh really understood my thoughts or my feelings or things like that, rather than like looked like me, because there's no one that was gonna look like me.
SPEAKER_01But did that happen for you in Washington there?
SPEAKER_00Uh, I think it did happen a little bit later. Um, I did have some really, really close friends, but I think it took a very long time for me to figure out who I was and who I wanted to be. I actually wrote my college essay about finding myself and finding my identity. Um yeah, it was it was pretty eight pages lop. But it was very heartfelt. But when I moved, but when I moved from, you know, my hometown, I moved a lot as I got older. I went away to college, I was in Boston, I moved to Italy for some time. I was in New York, I in California, all of those things. And new cities, new communities, even, you know, obviously with Italy, new countries. I so I think I became good at fitting in, but belonging that was more layered. And honestly, although strange as it may seem, I think the very first time I felt I belonged outside of my friend network and some of my family was living in Italy. So the one and only time I fully lived in another country, it was living in Italy. And that was crazy for me because I have I moved there never having visited there. I just studied Italian in college. And it was one of those things where you know, you had that poll. You talked about having a poll. Yeah. When I first taught, started learning Italian, it's like I was meant to speak that language my entire life. I had this seal feeling of, oh my God, I meant I'm meant to speak this language. And so when I moved there, I was like, I am meant to be here. And I felt like I finally belonged because it didn't matter what I look like. I was, I was exotic in the fact that I didn't, I clearly had an accent when I spoke Italian. But my Italian got really fluent really quickly. And so it opened all the quote barriers I normally would have had it. And that's why like language is so important to me. But it was also like so many Italians looked so different. There wasn't a sense of like, oh, you're not blonde, or oh, you're not, you know, brunette exactly. Italian just looked so different. That it was more about, oh, do you speak Italian? Do you understand us? And are you part of us? That then I felt like I belonged.
SPEAKER_01So for you, language is tied directly to belonging.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it is a hundred percent. It it was it's the one thing that I think allowed me to feel like I belonged and opened doors and remove those barriers. That I think it's why I anchor on language so much here. When I moved here, I'm kind of trying to repeat what worked for me before.
SPEAKER_01I don't think it's a bad um approach, yeah, let's say, because it is it's a huge part of getting over some of the barriers, right? It won't solve everything. You can speak all the Danish you want and an innately bad person and we're not gonna make single danish friend right let's be honest so you know good luck with that but but um but it definitely it definitely helps when you can speak the local language it it was an access point for me and then it like helped everything else spit in okay so just to tie it back language and friendship groups yes key for you and I guess friendship groups were the biggest one for me there were other thousands like you know getting in the right career and being surrounded by those good people and my husband has loads of different things but yeah at the core of it before he came along it was definitely the friends and if if we look at Denmark through this lens of belonging with you know finding your people finding your village it's quite tricky sometimes here if you come here and you think I really want to make local Danish friends and this is there's going to be a lot of nodding heads around this you know the pace at which you build friendships here is completely different to anything I have experienced. You know social circles they're formed so early on and I mean it just there's all this thing about pace and Haitians which of course I just talked about I don't you do not have any very a little patient. I do have Danish friends but I don't have patience. They're just willing to cut up with me. But it's one thing that I think is important here is it's realizing that most people here have deep roots childhood friends, university networks, longstanding communities that they've been a part of and when you arrive as an adult that thinks very naturally I've moved to Denmark I'm interested in living here I want to be part of the community okay I need to make Danish friends. Is there already logical next step? You're just stepping into something that I think is already mid-story.
SPEAKER_00Yeah I think that is such a good way to put it mid-story right you're not arriving somewhere blank they have all this history understanding everything you're arriving somewhere already woven together you're stepping in the the story they've already started creating.
SPEAKER_01Agreed it it actually is a very different thing to rejection yeah it they also need a reason to create space for you yeah you know yeah I have a friend right now who's relocating from one area to another one of my Danish friends. She would definitely be in the market she moves to the new place it's far enough away from from current friends and as we already know she's very open to international friends as well so yeah it's like it's like an advertising her I know but I'm not I it's just a good a good current example but I have like now but it's situations change beeker move away from childhood friends. So there is sometimes segues and openings but it just takes time and it's just trying to say having the sense of belonging for me with the friends was just like a feeling of peace surrounding myself people who share similar values. Yeah they don't need to be exclusively Danish.
SPEAKER_00Agreed I think anchoring so much on just Danish friends, you will have a harder time finding your belonging you will feel unacceptable for a while. And so you have to get through that and and have that be okay. And I think um that's why the comment section of that post that we both saw and many posts that we've seen over the oh yeah yes and muns right did our research on this yeah he a lot of those why the comment section felt so layered to me and and to you some people said oh it was geography Copenhagen can feel fast transient da da all that stuff but others imply implied it in this effort on the person's part oh did you try hard enough or did you really put yourself out there?
SPEAKER_01And we have those gatekeeping tones as well that there's this sort of invisible line and you can either cross it or you don't it's an absolute you know of course it can change you can feel like you really belong somewhere and then circumstances can change and I don't think it's like an absolute thing.
SPEAKER_00So this kind of makes me wonder is the route to belonging about this existential validation that other people say you belong that oh yes look you did all the right things so now you belong or is it about when we internally stop feeling like a guest or that we really have a place where we are I wonder if that will happen when we eventually get citizenship.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh I sort of far away from that I better get this language down and yeah maybe thing but yeah when I think about some of those moments that felt closer to belonging here specifically yeah they're kind of small you know uh a Danish parent inviting us up to their summer house sharing wine with neighbors in our building whilst the kids play together in the yard or you know doing on joint play dates with school mom. Yeah it's so important and I think belonging it looks kind of unspectacular. It's just like a little it is little things become bigger in in terms of how you feel about the place right yeah and it's not being the international friend just being a friend. That's what we all need. We need a lot of good friends.
SPEAKER_00We do all our lives here right I actually had a really good moment this past weekend where I went to this wine meetup and a friend my Danish my sixth Danish friend that I mentioned in Danes Arseau, she was there and she had actually invited some Danish people that she knew and the wine ended and she's like oh hey we're gonna go to this uh a Danish beer bar and I'm like uh yeah okay I'll go so I had that moment when we were all riding our bikes at the next bar and it felt like I was like wow this is one small step forward for me to gaining more belonging and honestly deepening the friendship I have with this person it is these small little steps the things that you start to build your village you build your friends and it's not going to be this like it's definitely not overnight it's it's slow and I don't think people feel prepared for that moving from one country to another requires time patience and continued effort on all sides. Yeah so maybe it's slower here than other places maybe instead of two to three years it's three to five years but it it's gonna it's gonna happen and maybe that's part of the tension you're expecting it to be faster and it's not but if you move somewhere and after two years you still feel like you're an outsider you don't have a belonging how long is it normal right quote normal to wait five years ten years a generation when do you feel like you belong as we mentioned at the beginning this is not something that we're gonna solve for in one episode. No, because belonging isn't a checklist it shifts and it can exist in one area of your life and then not another absolutely yeah and it is bigger than fitting in that has of the that's the overall summary that we've got today.
SPEAKER_01You can do all of the right things that feel like the right thing but still not feel like this is really home and you're fully accepted. Yeah a hundred percent and as always we would love to hear from you on this topic.
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