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Two Kind Minds with Matt & Bobbie

• Anthony Luna • Season 1 • Episode 20

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Matt and Bobbie Webb, a couple from Perth, share their journey from traditional finance to Bitcoin after a COVID-era wake-up call exposed flaws in the fiat system. Through education, community, and firsthand experience, they break down what financial freedom really means and why they believe Bitcoin offers a path to a more independent future.


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SPEAKER_00

You know? Well the return is freedom. Going to bed at night knowing that if what we say in Australia, if the shit hits the fan, it's all ours, man. Like we don't have to apply for it. We don't have to get approval from the bank. We need that approval because we are in control of it. It's our self-custody is it.

SPEAKER_02

And we won't be controlled, hopefully. We won't have to be controlled by the government. That's that's the end end goal, isn't it? Like that's what we're trying to escape.

SPEAKER_05

All right, guys. Uh welcome back to To the Moon with the Lunas podcast. Uh today's Bitcoin price is at 77,000. We are excited with today's guests. We have Matt and Bobby Webb. Are they a Perth couple who woke up midlife and decided to stop sleepwalking through the fiat system? Through two kind minds, they share raw daily conversations about Bitcoin family and finding freedom. Not through fighting the system, but by quietly building something better outside it. No scripts, no polish, just two kind minds figuring it out together. I love, I love that. So good. That is so good. Uh hey guys, uh, so welcome. And uh if you guys don't mind uh sharing a little bit about yourself and where you guys are from.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, thanks, Matt. Yeah, thanks, guys. We um yeah, we're from Perth, Western Australia, so the southern tip of the western side of Australia. Uh one of the that's very isolated in the sense of the the world map. But um, yeah, well, on that, being isolated is what you can feel at times with what we're going through and and our direction, so maybe that's fitting. But yeah, um, we're just uh everyday mum and dad with three teenage children, three dogs, and uh yeah, busy lifestyle. But yeah, we're on the Bitcoin path.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, looking forward to the journey ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's gonna be a bright orange one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That's awesome. So you have three teenage kids. Okay, we're yeah, you you guys are like we're like looking into the future, you know. We're we have three we have the littles, and I know what I always think about that too, the teenage the teenagers, unfortunately. Um Julian Molga young. Yeah. Drying.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I'm soaking it up right now. I'm soaking it up because I know uh, you know, they give they're gonna grow up. And so, you know so fast. You know, I'm gonna have to hit them, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Very quick. Good luck.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, no, that's I call it discipline. It's discipline. Yeah, discipline.

SPEAKER_01

That's awesome. No, that's amazing. So were you guys always on the same page with Bitcoin? Or like who was the first one to kind of get orange pilled over there?

SPEAKER_02

It was kind of me. We we over COVID and that, and then we got into the health side of you know, the rabbit holes and life and what so be it. And then I was listening to a podcast with Paul Check, which I don't know if you're familiar with. He's an American, um, he has the Czech Institute, and our daughter studies through him. So we I watched a podcast with him and Joe Bryan, uh, What's the Problem? And then I just started listening non-stop for hours, different podcasts, and just was convinced within yeah, hours you pretty much. And then yeah. Then we just went from there and yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And here we are, yeah. Basically, I had some shit coins on an exchange, basically dabbling around with the number go up as we all enter this space, I believe, in the crypto jungle. Uh, that was just three, you know, workmates and no, buy this one and buy that one, and and you didn't really under well, you didn't understand it, you just threw some money in, and it was there was the attitude of, oh, well, put in what you're happy to lose. That was the that was the motto with most of my workmates. I was like, Yeah, why not? So it was like a gamble. And you know, even today we still talk about it like a crypto casino, you know, in the altcoin world.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, without trashing that too much. Yeah, Bitcoin was the one that really got us in the end through that uh podcast. What's the problem? Because it was it led down the path of the m where the money's broken shows you know the exit and the opt-out money, which is, as we all know, is just superior.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, absolutely. Uh, I think that's amazing. Wow, Bobby, you are super smart for just understanding it in hours. A lot of people have to go through the shit coins, the altcoins, and then just kind of have to like see through the noise and then then like okay, Bitcoin only, right? And all this stuff doesn't make sense. Um, I'm super excited because both of you guys are on here. We love doing couples, we think the dynamic is awesome, like hearing both perspectives. So I am super pumped up for this conversation. So if I just get pumped up, just you know, just kind of bear with me. Um, but like let's go. So I know you uh you got you guys described yourselves as waking up midlife. What was the exact moment that kind of snapped you out of that fiat mindset uh for both of you guys? Where obviously you saw that, you know, you saw that podcast. Uh, but like, was there like a life scenario that you kind of connected the dots? Like, okay, wow, like none of this is making sense. We need to like opt out and then you know go down this path on Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, again, mate, it was definitely COVID. So six years ago, we hit COVID mid mid through our business. We had a cafe, like a family-run cafe, and uh it hit pretty hard. Like it was like, wow, this is pretty extreme. And it got extreme really quick. And right from the very start, we questioned it immediately. Like it was just like this is not just a lot right, and the overreach and that totalitarian approach was just unreal. And the way people I'd say conformed through fear straight away, it was really profound for me and Bobby. And then without going too deep into that, just the force of the vaccination and the rest of it, that pushed us into the health side first. But the big one there, the pivot point was the money. That's where we really started to see where the money was broken with the ease and the how swift they were with the stimulus, like just handing out money. Like just it was just immediate, and we received uh quite a bit of money through the cafe and the help the government gave us, but we needed it. We did need it because they literally shut our doors to our business, like yeah, and the division it caused through family and friends was and it still has an impact on me today, uh uh from a personal level. But the money was broken, they handed it out, and you think, well, we uh we work tirelessly, and this was an extra, you know, at the cafe, I work for a company as well. Bobby and a mother run the cafe. Yeah, the stress and the energy you put in and the the small amount of money you earn, whereas the government just print it. Thin air. It's like if we printed money without the earnings and the hours and the time given, we'd probably be locked in jail because it'd be called counterfeit money. So if I can circle back, it was the money broken and the way the ease of the stimulus that made us think this is wrong, we're gonna have to pay this money back someday. And who's gonna pay for it? The taxpayer. So from there on the taxes just increased and increased and increased through basically inflation because that's what that's the end result of the printing of the money. So go ahead, Dan.

SPEAKER_01

No, I well, I was just thinking, I'm like, it's interesting because you guys are in Australia and it's like we're it happened all over the world. You know what I mean? It's it happened here too. We were like, where's this money coming from? You know, like where they're just gonna pass out money. I'm so confused. And I was we were just so I would always just be like, well, we're gonna pay for this later, you know. We're gonna like something's I mean, again, granted, thankful, but also like I still don't even want this because we're gonna have to pay this back eventually, you know? Like, let's just not have this shut down and we'll be fine, you know. Like, just like not do this, you know? So yeah, it was just a very interesting time for sure.

SPEAKER_05

Eye-opening, huge overreach. I was right away, I was like, red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag. I was like, oh, they're like shutting us down, they're like putting on masks. They don't even know if it even works or not, they're just like mask up. They're like six feet away from each other, six feet under. I'm like, what are we talking about? There's they're just like coming out with this all of a sudden uh vaccine. I was like, dude, this is a red flag. Like, if you thought for yourself, you would just be like, this is none of this adds up. They're printing money, like literally, I felt like it was called I call it like falling out of the sky because that's what it was basically. Nobody was working, people money's just coming into your pockets. And I was like, all of this was a red flag. And so it was like, how do you be how what's the most like profitable way to like scam people is like come up with the problem and then come up with the solution? Yeah, and they like immediately, I was like, dude, this is so bad. I don't know. I I I I completely agree with you guys on that. Um, yeah, and then so like for um right now, Bitcoin conference is going on right now, and uh so I wanted to ask you guys like have you guys ever been to a Bitcoin conference or any like local media meetups?

SPEAKER_02

We haven't been to a conference, which we would love to go one day, but we have on the orange, what's it called? The orange pill app. Um, we found a meetup here in Fremantle. So we've been to one of them and met some other people, some like-minded people, and that was really good. But it's just hard we you guys know what it's like. When you've got a family, it's hard to to to go out and do those sort of things. It's easier to do sort of online videos and stuff now, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Rather than Yeah, this seems to be the the better space and the and the the network we have now and our little communities are brilliant. I mean, you guys just reached out and yeah, we was we were delighted. We were over the moon. Pardon the pun.

SPEAKER_02

We've got the groups, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's just a signal, and and the groups we're in over here now, we've got other podcasters, Australia, on the other side on the east coast of Australia, that I consider now like our best friends. Like, and we're in a mastermind with a guy named Sean Clark at Get A Bitcoin and another guy, Finn Crichton from uh BSS, which is the Biz uh Bitcoin Success School. Success School. And we've teamed up them now for a year-long course with a uh entering AI and OpenClaw and and how we can structure our own little business on the side and start earning Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_02

It's just the finding the right people is just it it just feels so good, like because you're surrounded by people that haven't think you're a bit wacky or whatever, but when you find people that resonate with you, it's just it's just such a good feeling, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, absolutely. I feel like uh like we when we are around our, you mean family or friends, or you're trying to talk to them about Bitcoin or inflation or just money in general, right? It it's just not a productive conversation, you know, it's just not a very like engaging conversation that you're gonna have with someone who understands the money system a little bit more or is engaged or you know, willing to think differently or having a more open mind, you know? And I'm still in the process. Like I feel like I've learned a lot just from our from our podcast and what we've Anthony's been teaching me too over over a period of time as well. But yeah, it's you know, as long as you have an open mind and you're willing to understand something's up and wrong, I think this makes the most sense, you know what I mean? So it's just being able to, yeah, like have the open mind to have that conversation. And I think the ex community is so amazing. I'm a little bit newer to the ex community. Um, and man, it is so cool to see so many uplifting and kind people and being able to reach out to people across the world. Are you kidding me? This is so cool. Yeah, it's like a new world, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

It is like a new world. We would never imagine us doing this now a year ago. It just completely changes your perception, doesn't it? On like people, the money, the money in particular, what we've learned about the money, and you think, wow, all this time, and we've just figured this out. Yeah, that that is that barrier in your social conversations with other people. But I think that's the approach you need to take slowly, and we can be quite impatient. So that slowly hits very hard. It's just it's bloody hard. It's so hard to you just can't understand. How come they don't get it? Because we've spent the hours and the time and countless books and podcasts because it's just that signal, and that's exactly why we're here right now.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, and it feels good. That's good. And you know what, Bobby? We are weird, you know? We gotta take ownership, all right? We are weird, we are weird. Owning it, we gotta own it, and um, you know, and just to pivot a little bit here too. So we started this podcast uh back in December. So we're a few months in, and again, we're like you, we're like you, Matt. Like we never thought we would be doing this online podcast, like yeah, never crossed my mind. The people we've met have been amazing, it's like incredible, just kind of like adding on to what you were sharing. Um, so I think I heard you on a podcast, maybe, maybe with uh Finn, uh, or another, maybe with the video. So, are you guys thinking about starting your own podcast?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's in the works right now, mate. We've just started even practicing with Riverside, um, just like you guys are. We're probably well, what you're December, so we're five months behind you. So just today, Bobby's starting to get some stuff on all the socials. We've just been playing. Yeah, so we it's pretty nerve-wracking, and it's we're learning all the tech side, we're not very tech savvy, so we've just been practicing on X and reps. We're taught through, you know, like guys like Sean Clark from Jedi Bitcoin. They're our mentors, and they are just so brilliant, mate. Like, we can we've got our own telegram group with the Satoshi Mastermind. We've got 16 members, we're all a part of a basically a year-long course, and they're our coach, so we're just repping on pretty much now on X, and then we're gonna build on the socials and then get to YouTube very soon. And our channel is Two Kind Minds, so that's our name of our channel.

SPEAKER_05

I really love that. Yeah, uh have you guys already started the channel? So you guys already have that channel started on YouTube.

SPEAKER_02

We've got it there, but there's nothing, yeah, nothing on it. We haven't uploaded anything onto that one yet.

SPEAKER_05

It doesn't matter. I'm gonna subscribe to that. Yeah, immediately immediately. I'm also for you all.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely. No, we're do we're gonna do that. And I think that's really cool that you guys are gonna, you guys are going down this journey. It's fun. I think it's very important to be doing stuff with your spouse. Yeah, um, it's super important. That's kind of something I learned in my life. Whenever you we both go our own separate ways, right? When we go to work. Um, as you know, luckily you guys had a family business, so you know, you got to go uh with your family. But um, you know, I always think like most people they live like a long-distance relationship under the same roof. Yeah, right? This way for eight hours, the other one go, you know, and then you guys come back home and you're just like, hey, high five each other in the door, right? Exhausted. Well, you're exhausted, right? And you got each other's leftovers. So I think that's super important in a marriage to do something, whether it's a business, whether it's a podcast, whether, you know, it's a sport, something, just do something with your spouse. I think that's very important and really cool. Um, so in our little short time, I get a lot of feedback, uh, good and bad, about our podcasts, which I love. Like it's all good. And so what they what what what some of the stuff that we get is, you know, hey, we don't need any more podcasts. And then the other ones will be like, hey, keep doing podcasts, right? Or we need more podcasts. So we just had Gus on last week. He's awesome. I don't know if you know Gus, uh, but he was like, oh man, we need way more podcasts. And I actually do think we do need way more podcasts because we're so early. We are so early. And it's so easy when you're an ex and you're immersed in it, you're like, oh man, like we're, you know, we're late. We're like uh, you know, 17 years into Bitcoin, right? And so we're late, but no, we're still super early. So I encourage you guys, you know, go down this path, have fun with it, make mistakes, um, and just enjoy it. Like you're gonna mess up, you know, and so you know, just enjoy it. And I think it's gonna be great because we do need more podcasts, especially couples. I think the dynamic of having couples is so rare, like we don't see it. Yeah, and there's always this one Bitcoin maxi, right? And then there's always someone in the background that's just like, hey, what are you doing over there? Like, you know, where's all of our money? Where I don't see anything in the account, like, you know, so I think it's great what you're doing, it's healthy. You know, I'm super excited to watch your guys' journey and just kind of plug in and kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_01

I'm I'm curious too. Like, we one of the reasons why we started this was because we were having a lot of conversations about Bitcoin together, and I was asking like kind of stupid questions, you know, and I was not like in our regular day-to-day, you know, he would I would tell him, okay, what's the Bitcoin price? And he's always getting fired up when the price goes up and like letting me know when it goes down and all this stuff. So I'm like, gosh, this is a roller coaster. Like, what's going on, you know? And so I was like, why don't we just, you know, have these conversations because people must be thinking what I'm thinking, you know, or like there must be these things happening. So is that kind of what happened with you guys? You were having conversations, and I obviously you've, you know, been both of you have been really um invested in learning over the past like six years. But yeah, kind of share with us like where it came where you were like, we should start a podcast.

SPEAKER_02

It's only been about not even a year since we've got into Bitcoin, to be honest. We were all down the COVID and health side, so it was it's only been, yeah, so it's new to us, but it clicked straight away.

SPEAKER_00

And I think because you're awake and aware of other, you know, the world and the politics behind everything and the the globalization at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_02

We picked it up a lot quicker, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we did. I think where we ended up on this side of things is I probably started a little bit with the sharing of it just through you guys at work and Bitcoin rather than you know your XRP and your Solana, and and then I think I'm not sure exactly, it was more well, we got onto a guy named Zane Truscott, he's another Australian, so he was the first basically the circle, and he's the Bitcoin success circle. So we got on a call with him basically, so we saw an interview with him on a podcast, and he's another Aussie on the um east coast in Queensland, Australia. So that's pretty much how we learnt from him, and we did a six-week um like a business school through right from the start of what Bitcoin is, the self-custody and and all and all the network on who to go through, you know, that went through the Bitcoin way. Our um our broker storm rake here in Australia, like so he basically laid the roadmap, and that's how we got going. So through Zane Truscott, we probably learnt wow, this is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02

And he how to progress quicker rather than just research and fumble your way through it, and you know, yeah, we had a bit more direction and guidance, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so we basically he was our coach, so and he actually the first podcast we did, he got us on with him, and that was really nerve-wracking. We were like, wow, we were excited, but we were quite nervous. So that was our first one, and then we thought, wow, this is actually pretty cool. We can probably share this as well, and and you know, basically d double down and and share our story.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and just want to help people too, because it's such a like that's at the end of the day, that's that's all we want, isn't it? We just want everyone to have the same as what we feel.

SPEAKER_00

Have a better chance. It's like you said before, Anthony, sharing your story, it just feels like that's the the thing. Like Bitcoin doesn't have a marketing, you know, department, they don't have a CEO, they don't have a chain of command. We are it and we are so early. So there will be a time where probably one, you can't buy spot Bitcoin on exchange, and there won't be podcasts to teach you anymore because you'll only be able to buy it through the banks, or you'll have to earn it, you won't be able to buy it anywhere. It will run out, and that's the greatest thing about the best money we've ever seen, which is Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's really interesting.

SPEAKER_05

I admire you guys a lot because most people when we talk to on this podcast is they'll get introduced to Bitcoin or like it'll come up and then they'll like they might touch back on it like years later. Or uh, and with you guys, you guys kind of just dove in less than a year. You guys even took a course, right? Like you guys said the Bitcoin went, like that is so good because I think that you're the first people I've heard that like went through that course because you know, most people, you know, we have so much technology at the tip of our hands, right? We're like, oh, let me do my research, let me do my own digging. But you guys kind of plugged in the different systems and then learned it, and that really streamlined you guys to where like within the year of learning Bitcoin, you're like, dude, we're gonna start a part podcast. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02

That's yeah, that's we're pretty impatient. That's how we roll, we go.

SPEAKER_00

If I can say it, we go balls, like we don't mess around here. And that is exciting as well. But we did our motto basically was if we're gonna do this, we're gonna do it properly. So we use the experts, and I'm can 100% guarantee to you know talk about the Bitcoin way and really vouch for them. They are absolutely brilliant. Like And now we have friends with Sean Clark and Finn Crichton. Finn's a local Australian guy doing the same thing. So we would definitely recommend him in our own circles now. It's basically putting him skin in the game and paying that upfront money to have that backup. At the end of the day, it's your own bank. You are in control. There's no third party. It's you and your money. And the potential for that money to grow, which we all know what the you know, the Kager rate would be, the compound annual growth rate, it's it's going to be a large substantial amount of money. And that's our future, not only for us, but our children. It's generational wealth. So we want to secure that for one. And two, we want to have full control of it. We don't want someone else, a third party having a say over it. And that is what Why you do it properly the first time. Yeah. That's freedom money right there, guys.

SPEAKER_01

What an example, though, to your kids also. To like, I mean, you guys sound like very high achievers. Um, just one, having your own business is also huge.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and we we we understand that business ownership takes a lot of hard work, and um, you when you do it, you want to go do it correctly. And so I love that you were willing. I feel like I would have loved to know that there was a Bitcoin way.

SPEAKER_05

Uh I'll take you, uh we'll get we'll sign up.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like I need to take this course. Um uh but no, that's so good that you're able to share that because I think some people just want to do it correctly. And like probably a faults of mine is probably wanting to do things correctly the first time. So it takes me a long time to get started. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, I want I want to learn this, but I don't even understand it completely. So having a course like that and following that is huge. And like I was saying, an example to your kids to be able to show, like, hey, if we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it correctly and we're gonna follow through. And that's something that we really value too with our kids. Like, if we ever start something, we want them to see us like actually following through. So even tonight, like I our daughter was like, Hey, what are you guys doing? Because she, you know, woke up and you know, and I was like, No, go back to sleep. Um, and I was like, Oh, well, we're gonna, you know, get to meet some people from Australia. And she was like, Australia, like this is so cool, you know. So just to see the follow-through um in life and all the things that you're doing is such an example to kids, your kids and um parents, even to see, oh, you know what? Well, we say our word is as good as gold. That's what I always tell myself, so we better follow through with what we're saying.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that thanks for that. That's really what we do strive for. And I think our kids learnt that at a younger age through COVID as well. We did stand up to a degree, and it does alienate, yeah, it did alienate our children, but they stood up, didn't they? A lot. They did the same, that's pretty cool. And now our oldest daughter, she's 20 now, and she's studying through Paul Czech Institute, and it's all she's gonna be a practitioner to help people with their health the natural way, the non-pharmaceutical just prescribe a pill for the symptom, you know, not the cause. And to watch her change from that that 12-year-old girl, or you know, that 14-year-old girl to now is pretty cool. So, yeah, it's so cool.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing. Kudos to you guys, you guys are doing a great job. That's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I wanted so I wanted to also add, like, so here in the United States, we and I again, I don't know what it's like where you guys are at in Australia. It's always like Trump, wars, it's always like inflation, everything that's going on. But what's going on in Australia? Like, what's it what's it going on in where you guys live?

SPEAKER_00

Basically, what's going on here now is tax. So it seems to be in the Western world, it's just more and more tax, and the cost of living is through the roof, mate. Like I pinpoint it to a few things, but the the main one is in Australia now is climate change and bureaucrats and red tape. So division, which causes division. So we've got a lot of division between groups, you know. Like over there, you've got red, blue, it's you know, left wing, right wing, same bird, in my opinion. Um, you can get distracted, but that that's all about division, which comes, follows from the fear, isn't it? So that's how you control people. But I think we could it always circles back to the money. But what's happening in Australia now is probably a similar thing. We're probably a few years behind America, like your your debt there is, I think you're nudging 40 trillion now, I think.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's like 30, yeah, it's at 39, it's like 39 trillion. It's like I think if I last time I checked, I think it's like every two and a half months, three months, it's going up a trillion, which is insane. Like, where are we gonna be at in a year, two, three years? And that's gonna be like tomorrow. So I don't know. It's it's getting out of hand. I don't understand like how people don't like you know, yeah, how do you not see it? I mean, so but we'll meet them where they're at. We'll meet them where they're at. Hopefully they catch this podcast, you know, they get to see you guys, and um, and you know, hopefully they get like some breadcrumbs. I hope something that starts, you know, turning their wheels in their head because um this is real and it's coming faster than a lot of people think it is. And so we'll see how it goes. But so the same thing going down over there, huh? Division, inflation, climate change. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00

It's all things that we have to pick up the pieces for the taxpayer. I love the people, you know, the majority, the middle class, which is where we all fall. You know, you have your poor, you have the middle class, and then you have your super rich, but where the numbers lie are the middle class at the end of the day. So we're over being taxed and we're over the old school way of thinking you can vote your way out of it. So when you can steer away from the politics, you just put your money where your head's at, and our heads is at, if we take that money out of that very system that's just killing us on a daily basis, at least we know on an individual basis that that money is not circulating in their hands, where they, you know, you give them one dollar and they print out no one and lend it out. Like that's the fractural reserve, isn't it? That's the system.

SPEAKER_05

Like, yeah, yeah. And people think it's normal. Like if you all think it's actually normal, and then like, and then they have all these vehicles, right? These 401ks, these stock market, everything, and you're just moving the money from one pocket to the other pocket, like it's not getting any better. And if you invest in the stock market, which again, there's nothing wrong with it. I'm always like to each your own, whatever you gotta do to figure out this. Yeah, and if you're like invested in the stock market and you're keeping up with like the SP 500, you're just plateauing. All you're doing is you're you're just keeping up with inflation, you're not beating it. And then, um, so and then once when you're beating it, right? Which I which I for for us, uh you know, I believe it's Bitcoin. Now, like that's where wealth is. Anything that's beating inflation, that's where wealth is being created. And that's where, um, you know, I think that's where Bitcoin's gonna go. And with this bear market right now, we're just gonna keep pumping up pumping out podcasts with you guys and other people because it just feels like it everyone is so bearish and so like crickets in the in the Bitcoin space right now. But this is the best time, yeah, to like do your research, dig in, you know, uh figure out uh self-custody, how important that is, and just do your research in the bear market. And then before you know it, you know, time's gonna fly and Bitcoin's gonna do its thing, right? And so it's just it's just very interesting um right now.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna piggyback on that and ask a question. How is uh how has Bitcoin impacted your family dynamic and that long-term planning, kind of like what we were what Anthony was kind of talking about a little bit?

SPEAKER_00

It's had it has multiple impacts at the end of the day. Like speaking before about probably even our children and them watching us do it, I think sometimes they're probably a bit sick of us with Bitcoin, to be honest, because we are so focused and so everything, we just about tie it into everything on a daily basis. It does change your perception of the world and and just your everyday life.

SPEAKER_02

But we've got good family, like my brother, my mum, there's a few of us that are are into it, so as much as our circle's probably a bit smaller, it's it's resonates and it's good, it's good um Yeah. It's a good vibe. Good vibe. Yeah, yeah. We've gone through a lot of shit. Yeah, a lot of shit the last six years, and we're finally f found uh yeah the answer.

SPEAKER_00

And that's the key thing, isn't it? Like and it's still proof of work, like it's exactly the way it's modelled, like it takes the work and it can be hard, and we haven't really seen the full fruits of our labour, but that is part of it. Isn't it? Like the volatility, man, that can be a roller coaster, but that I think that is the volatility is the price you pay for the game. And you know, people might say, What's the you know, it doesn't have a yield, it's not like the stock market. What what's your return, you know? Well, the return is freedom. Going to bed at night knowing that if what we say in Australia, if the shit hits the fan, our money's all ours, man. Like we don't have to apply for it, we don't have to get approval from the bank. Our superannuation, which is your 401k over there, we don't need that approval because we are in control of it. It's ours, self-custody is it.

SPEAKER_02

And we won't be controlled, hopefully. We won't have to be controlled by the government. That's that's the end goal, isn't it? Like that's what we're trying to escape. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm not sure what it's like over there, guys, but here we can use our superannuation and invest it ourselves in what we call a self-managed super fund. So you can then take your pension retirement allowance. We can't access it until at least the age of 60 years old. Yeah. But that's in our full control as well. So we can invest and spread that, whether it's gold, bitcoin, the SP. We control that ourselves, and yeah, that's that's another step we've taken. And that's that's hard work as well.

SPEAKER_02

But there's a lot to it, but having the right people once again in your corner is it's it's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_01

It's huge, yeah. The people you surround yourself with and that mentorship that you were saying is so huge. It's huge. Like we we talk about that all the time. Like we have to have people who go before us that have the fruit on the tree in order to really learn from them. You know, we want to make sure we're learning from people who have results and who are in our corner and have our backs, you know, and that's super important. We we value that so much for sure, and that's very important. And I love that your mom, you were saying, because you and your mom have your cafe, right?

SPEAKER_02

Or is that still yeah, we've we've since sold it, but we did have a cafe together, yeah, three COVID, and yeah, there was rocky, it was a bit rocky at times there, and well, hard as everyone can imagine. But yeah, um mom and dad and my yeah, brother all on board, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We orange peeled them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, because I was gonna say, if you still had it, were you planning on, you know, uh being able to um accept Bitcoin as payment and things like that, which we've always talked about of like the adoption process too, of you know, how's that gonna look? What's that gonna look like, you know?

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, not too not too much adoption in Australia. In Australia at the minute, it's more just stacking sets and you're chilling, but we'll get there. We'll get there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we're not sure about Australia. You guys obviously you got the you know, bigger population and and a lot more open-minded, especially a government now with Trump and the and the way they're heading, you know, with Bitcoin, that was probably a key factor as well, you know. We did what what you call it guys would say root for Trump in the election because well, I don't know which way you would have headed if the other guys got in, but that's politics. But yeah, the Democrats are doing a very good job from from what we could see from from afar. But it definitely has had that impact on our family, the business especially. But that's we sold that two years ago, so that was that was a relief because that was pretty hard, that was a stress on a lot of things. But and then after that, we just didn't have that end. So we're like just muddling along, like, geez, this world's getting pretty crazy, things are getting pretty bad, and just concentrating on our health and all that sort of stuff, and then yeah, well, then we found Bitcoin, and then off we went, yeah. So that's it was the jail door, what we say, the jail door is still ajar, and it still is now. So we can people can opt out, and that's why we're here today, and and you guys to share, share this message because we've all got an option. We just need to do the proof of work, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, and it's it's great too. Like everybody has their own way of like orange pilling people. Like we had uh someone on our podcast, Jordan, he had a shirt on, uh, and then they kind of sparked uh people to ask questions like the denominator the denominator matters. Uh we had uh someone else who's like anytime they go somewhere, they're like, Hey, do you accept Bitcoin? Yeah, and then I'll like, ooh, I like that. Because then it like gets people's turn, like, oh, like Bitcoin. Yeah, like what? Like, people are trying to pay in Bitcoin. Um, so that's something I'm gonna start doing. I'm just gonna go everywhere and it's like, hey, you guys accept Bitcoin?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, for sure. Good idea.

SPEAKER_05

No, I think it's great. I think it's great. And then uh we have other people that I forgot how they they uh we there's so many different ways that everyone's been orange pilling people, but I think I think that's great. And then going back to the politics, it's like it doesn't even matter anymore. Like it doesn't, it's it does not even matter. It could be left, private, middle, right, you know, up, down. It does not even matter because the foundation's broken, money's broken, these people come in, they make these promises, like they can't do anything. They're like, they just they can't, right? Because the money's broken. Like the main thing that connects all of us together, even across the world, right? In Australia, it's all broken, right? And so Bitcoin's gonna come in, it's gonna insert itself, and it's too great of an idea not to be, you know, fall through the cracks of government, right? Of institutions, of these uh investment man, you know, these big uh management companies, all all across different countries uh that are all like dabbling with Bitcoin. It it's too great of an idea. It's gonna be everywhere. And the fact that we're here early, I'm super blessed uh that we we we understand it uh because we're I think everyone gets Bitcoin at the price that they deserve. And I think that you guys are we're all gonna be blessed here talking on this podcast, you know, down the road. Uh, and I'm I'm 100% sure about that because if the further you go down and you study the monetary policy and the history of money, I believe the future, the further you can see into the future on where we're all going. And um, and it's I I think it's the future's bright for us, right? As much as the dim gloomy is, it's bright, it's super bright. I'm gonna be like, dude, where are you guys?

SPEAKER_00

We have to meet up. Yeah, for sure. We're still so early, and we're still young enough. You guys are younger, yeah. Younger again. And you know, we've got some guys in our one of our groups that he's 22, mate, and he's got his own podcast as well. Souts down under, look him up, he's great. His name's Joey. He's 22 and he's so far ahead, and he just wants more money to stack. And it's like, man, you're 22 years old and you've got it. So he's got it. He's a Gen Z influencer, mate, and he's got the future in front of him because he's just got it. He's got that old value. He wants to settle down, have kids, he's married at 22. Like, that's what we're missing, that community, that that wife at home, if possible, you know, that left debt. Because the debt traps you, and we know how the system, the Fed system only survives with debt, doesn't it? We just know most people don't realise that. And it's like when you spoke before, Anthony, about you know, what you need to make on the SP, it's that hurdle rate that inflation takes away from you. Like in our in my mind, it's 10-11%. It's not the 3% or the 2% they tell you on the news and the radio. But people don't understand that. I sometimes try and use that as the orange pill thing. It's like if you can explain to them that they think if they put$10,000 in the bank and they give them 2% return, I think over there you get even less. It's like you're not even beating what your money is being debaked by by inflation, and sometimes you lose them really quick when you start talking figures like that. But yeah, it's everyone's got their own way, haven't they? That's the seed I try and sow with guys at work that are in that investment circle, you know, with the stock market and things like that. But yeah, yeah, it can be hard.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That Gen Z generation that Generation Z, I am like so excited for what they're gonna do to our worlds. I feel like there's so much hope in them, and they've they are so like they've all had digital like everything, digital everything. They grew up with it. So it's just like, let's just figure this out, you know, and they're going to figure it out. And I I love hearing stories like what you were saying, like um that 22-year-old. Like I just think that is such a I pray that that brings back people to their core values of what a family should be, right? Not splitting up and you know, families being split up every day and kids having to go to school or having to go to these systems that don't always make sense and all of that to each their own, right? To each their own. What makes sense to your family makes sense to your family. But um yeah, like I just feel like we've lost so we've been so distracted and so lost for so long that I feel like I'm so excited to see what happens with this Gen Z. Cause I just think like every single person we've talked to, I'm like, I wish I was you when I grew up. You know, like I wish my brain worked like you at your age, you know, like I just why wasn't I thinking like this?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, so yeah, it's just really cool. And I love that you have that open mind to be like, gosh, you're 22. Like, this is so awesome that you have want to do this, you know. So I just I think it's very encouraging.

SPEAKER_05

I think most people, I think the most people deep down like it to their core, and they just don't know it, they haven't identified it, but they want to be free. Like the the spouse wants to be home. They don't want to really be working and leaving your spouse and then like going to like some workplace, and you're giving your best self to like this workplace, right? And um, when when you should be giving your best self to your kids and pouring it into your kids and your husband when he gets home, not like some random strangers, right? And again, to each your own, like if you have to go to work, you have to figure it out. Like that that's fine, you know, that's that's the world we live in. But deep down, I really do think that those core values, like someone wants to stay home, take care of their kids, keep the house clean, because that's a job in itself. Like that's already that's a real job.

SPEAKER_00

That's such a great point. Surfling back again, that's exactly why Bitcoin is the help, and that's what changes your whole perception, and we hope the world, because you all start off with Bitcoin as number go up, money go up. That's where we enter the space, isn't it? But when you do do the work and you it's the community and that that feeling of wow, if this can fix that problem, like there is a reason why the mum, the mother has to go to work, or both of you have to work, because a lot of it is as being your money's being debased and inflated away, that didn't cost so much more. So the debt has a reason with it. So the need to work is the need, it's not because you want to, it's because you have to. Yeah, and it's not judgment, it's just the way it is. You know, I just we did a video just a couple of days ago or yesterday, and we spoke about that. Like over here, there's childcare centres just popping up everywhere, and our government subsidizes uh the feeds because they want the mum working because it's more tax, it's more revenue in their coffers. It's socially breaking, it's just that structure and that family value that we all had, that our mum and dad had. Like to buy a house in the 70s with the baby boomers, it was two times the father's salary. Now it's about nine.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Something is broken.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, and it's the money. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, but I think Bitcoiners are gonna lead the way though. I think they're gonna bring it full circle. I do think Gen Z is gonna bring things full circle. They're gonna be like, hey, whatever worked for people in the future, like uh in the past, like that it worked for them, but like we have to flip the switch. And I do think it's gonna come like out of force too. When adoption increases, they're gonna be a they're gonna play a huge part of it, and they're gonna be like, hey, those old ways are done. They don't work now. They're dinosaurs, they're extinct. That we need to pivot and move on to this new platform, this new way of life. This everything's being digital, digital, uh digital digitized. Everything's being digitized. And so, like, and I still think about it now, like everything is digitized, everything is upgraded with technology, except what our money our money is still like paper and is getting debased, and someone out there is printing it while we go trade our most precious commodity, our time and dollars, and leave our family for this paper that they could just print out a thin air. And then, if you really get to the core of it, like taxes, like why do we have to pay taxes when they can just print it? What are we talking about here? What are we talking about? It's just like modern chains. They got us locked up.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, for sure. So what does freedom look like to you um now that you've discovered Bitcoin? What did what would that look like to you? I mean, maybe you had an idea before you s you know, we're learning more about Bitcoin. Yeah, what does it look like to you now?

SPEAKER_00

Freedom at the moment looks like when we retire, we're gonna have enough money to do what we want to do and where we want to do it. Whether that means leaving this country, depending on the state of it at the time, because at the moment it doesn't look very good. They don't encourage people to have money, they encourage people to have debt. And we all know why that is. A lot of the freedom is mind a mindset, yeah. And we are still on that path, because you know, like Anthony said before, like the volatility can be pretty tricky. So, but when you've got that long time horizon, and we all do it, I still look at the price every day because we're still early enough. But why does that price matter when you know what it's done in the history? I mean, history might not repeat, but when we see where we're at and how early we are, yeah, it's it's gonna be the money and the choice, like what you said, Anthony. We it's 2026. We need a digital form of gold, and we found it. So the freedom, the freedom is that self-sovereignty, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and not having to like you say, expel your energy, your time so much to just survive, to live. Why do we have to work s so so hard just to pay for our house or to to to live a a standard life? Like it's just not fair. It has changed.

SPEAKER_00

It's changed how we look at spending money dramatically to like especially with the cost of living, like things now are just what we pay, our power here is just sky high. I think we're one of the highest, yeah. Our power power here is just being eroded like that the way their climate change has changed. Like they've shut down all our we have an abundance of coal in this country. We dig the coal out of the ground and we send it to China, but we can't mine it here and use it for our own coal-powered stations. So they're relying on wind and solar, which we pay for the solar to have on your roof, that they give you a little rebate for with your own tax dollars, but we pay we pay tax they can provide us with that utility. But then we're helping them.

SPEAKER_05

Nothing makes sense when you really put your thinking cap on and you just like take a step back. Nothing makes sense. And I and like even taxes make me so upset. We're like, we get taxed on the money that we earn, and then we get taxed on everywhere we spend it. So we're just getting taxed everywhere, and like everyone's cool with it. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, and then we work and then and then you we work for like 30 plus years and for um, you know, to to retire for like these last few years of freedom. And I'm like, no, I'm trying to, I would rather be free earlier while I'm healthy, while I can do things, while I can travel. And then the whole house thing is crazy to be like, okay, we get locked into it this mortgage, and then after we still have to pay property taxes. So like we it's all a facade, like it's all like an illusion that you own this house. I'm like, oh my god, like what are we doing? Yeah, where did where did where was the where was the group that said oh yes to all of this?

SPEAKER_04

Like what mind controller?

SPEAKER_00

It's once you know you can't go backwards. And we always say that once you open that door or that rabbit hole, you can't go backwards. We're very real estate centric over here. Like huge. A lot of people, if they are, you know, middle class or a bit higher, they have an investment property. But the figures on investment property now, though the average house over here now is for an investment property to build a new one would be about seven, eight hundred thousand dollars. Now, if you take that, there's figures on that, 50% of that purchase price and taxes is is tax. 50% of that is purely straight to the government before you build the house. Like, so when you look at it and all the third party risk where you're investing all that money, yeah, if you really look at Bitcoin and understand it's it's a lot simpler. It takes a bit of work because again, you're a sponsor. Yeah, it's so interesting once you know.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, that's amazing. Ah gosh, like I I know it makes you really think about like why was this why is this happening and why does everyone think it's normal? It just doesn't, it's not adding up. And I love how you said, just work harder. You know who says that? My dad, and he's seven and five. And I'm like, no, that's not like this isn't the world that you grew up in anymore. Like, this is you, yeah, you bought your uh you've had five houses in his lifetime.

SPEAKER_05

And they were all he bought all these houses like brand new. So like he literally saw these houses go up. And I'm like, uh, and I'm like, dude, there number one, like it's very rare to hear if anyone says that they bought five houses. Like that's that number one, that's right. And then number two, he's always like, it's equivalent to like when we were you got we had high interest rates, but our our I'm like, your home, you bought for two berries and a grape. What are we talking about? I'm like, don't talk to me about equal, like it's not the same. I love him. We joke about this all the time. He's probably gonna watch this podcast. He's gonna be like, dude, you're talking about vegan. Yeah, I'm talking about you if you're watching this.

SPEAKER_01

But um it's just a different world, you know. It's just and it is what it is. And like we like you guys, we don't ever want to go back to shoulda woulda, coulda or any of those things because it's it's where we are now. We were made for such a time as this. That's what we always say. You know, we're we're in this time for a purpose. Um but yeah, it can feel a little frustrating at times, you know, like what the heck? What's why can't why aren't we having this? And here it's the American dream, you know, everyone gets their white picket fence in their house and all that stuff, and that's not really happening.

SPEAKER_05

Freedom is our is uh is our dream, and being able to, like you said, like you said, Bobby, go anywhere you want, do everything you want, do everything you want, move to another country. Like, dude, what what that that sounds like freedom, yeah, right? That sounds like freedom. Freedom to me is not like work any job I want for 30 plus years and have a house that I'm married to this zip code to. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we we have teenage children, you know, like so they can't afford a house here. Like here now, you can have a 2% deposit, and the average house here now in Australia, in Western Australia, is 640,000, I think. Yeah. On 2% deposit.

SPEAKER_02

So they're locked into that for their whole life, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, your equity is so small compared to what you owe. So you are trapped. And I think, was it is it Trump that brought in you can have a 50-year mortgage now in America? I'm not sure if he's brought that in.

SPEAKER_05

Um, I think they were proposing it. I think they're um it was something that they were thinking about. Trump was thinking about, but um, I know I don't think it's it's something that's come to fruition. It's it's still 30. I think they do have a 40 though, but it's 30, it's 30. Most of them are 30 years uh mortgages, but still that's like 30 years, and so much can happen in 30 years. And the only reason why homes are going up too is because they're just printing more money. Yeah, people your home's not going up in value because, like, oh, like it's a nice home. Like around here, uh, the average home base, base, base is a million. And it's like no upgrades, it's the same house from 1950, it's the same wallpaper, it's the same green carpet. And it's terrible, yeah. It's it's terrible. And again, it's where we live, it is what it is, you know, and people think that their home's going up in value. It's it's going up because the money printer is printing it, and you know, and so, but again, like to share that with someone, it's gonna go like whoop, whoa, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, price it price it in Bitcoin and it'll get cheaper. Because yeah, exactly. Everything's getting cheaper. One's deflationary and one's inflationary, and we, you know, you and I, we all know what what that is, but that's part of the learning. So once you do that work, you won't you won't keep your money in the fiat system anymore. I know that. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

So, hey guys, we really appreciate this whole entire episode so far. Like, you guys have been awesome. Uh, just to kind of close things out, uh, one of the things is if someone is just starting today into Bitcoin, like what's one piece of advice you give to them?

SPEAKER_00

The start would be watch some podcasts. The short one is the the Joey Brown, What's the Problem?

SPEAKER_02

And self be self-sovereign. Be like self-custody is very important.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So it's and DCA, like dollar cost average, jump on uh even an app on your phone, get on an app, yeah, dollar cost average, start putting some skin in the game, buy some Bitcoin, and then get on some long form podcasts and read some really good books. Just learn it. You know, how many books?

SPEAKER_02

Like we all had to.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's so good, Bobby. And you know what's crazy is like I think about like learning, like, how many people actually educate themselves and learn after school? Probably like zero, one percent.

SPEAKER_02

We gotta get back to our to our being, to our soul. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

It's so good. It's so good. We're the we're gonna lead the way. You guys are gonna lead the way with your new podcast. I can't wait to tune in um with that and watch your guys' journey. That's gonna be super exciting because uh it's like another couple, right? I think that's gonna be great, like seeing that dynamic. Um, and you know, people are gonna be like, there's gonna be someone in the background that's gonna be like, what's going on? What is this, right? And then you're just they're just gonna find a podcast with the couple on there, and they're gonna find you guys, and that's gonna be awesome. So yeah, we're rooting for you guys.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you guys. We appreciate you. It this is what it's all about networking and helping each other. And yeah, you guys are doing a great job, so keep up the good work, and yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_00

And likewise, we'll subscribe and follow you guys, and we'll all grow together, and that's make a better world. That's it. We're we're gonna fix it fix the problems. Let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01

Where can people connect with you guys?

SPEAKER_00

Uh at the moment we're on it'll be two kindmins at two kindminds on X, or not X, sorry, um Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube.

SPEAKER_02

But we're still very new, so yeah, we're we're we're getting there.

SPEAKER_05

I don't care. We also have to start somewhere. I don't care. I'm subscribing, follow everything. And so uh so two kind minds, and that's on YouTube and Instagram, you said?

SPEAKER_00

And yes, yeah, we haven't launched that yet, so there'll be nothing there. But if you just share my ex account, if you like, Anthony, that's where I've started out more individually, and then I've we're starting to blend two kind minds in with that, and the links will all be on there later. We're still getting up to speed with that, so okay. Um I'd love to yeah, I'd love to plug uh Finn Crichton and Sean Clark as well as our mentors. You you can might you might want to look them up, they're really good guys as well.

SPEAKER_05

So yeah, we actually um we actually were going to we had a uh scheduled podcast with Finn last week. Uh you know, uh scheduling scheduling uh end up uh getting in the way, so we're looking to reschedule and uh get that one uh locked in. So no, yeah, we're happy. We uh I've been following Finn for a little bit and yeah, I love his concept.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and um even sats down under if you want to check Joey out as well. He's a young guy, yeah. Yeah, we jump on a podcast with you too, guys. Like this is what it's all about. We're just gonna grow this network and kick some ass.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, exactly. I love your guys' accent, by the way.

SPEAKER_01

They love yours too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. We have we have an accent.

SPEAKER_00

Um funny is you don't realize, do you?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you don't. You're just everyone talks the same, I guess. Um and Matt, are you on X then?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's uh at Webby7981.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, you'll have my connect you with them because I have them, I follow them on.

SPEAKER_01

Well, in case our listeners want to connect with Matt, not just me.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry. Sorry. I I can be a bit flamboyant. I suppose flamboyant's probably not the right word, but I there's a few swear words and a bit of blasphemy in there somewhere, but that's just me. That's how we are. Our souls used to talk a bit rough sometimes.

SPEAKER_05

I love it. I love it though. Like you're just being you though. Like, I don't want you to be, you know, a fake Matt. So I'm glad.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for sure. Well, thank you guys so much for being on here with us. We really appreciate your time. And um, yeah, we look forward to connecting with you guys in the future. Definitely. Thanks, guys. Awesome, and thank you everyone else for tuning in to to the moon with the lunas, and we'll see you guys on the moon.

SPEAKER_05

Bye, guys.