The Power of Bitcoin Immersion with Robin Seyr

In this episode, Austrian Bitcoin educator and podcast host Robin Seyr dives into how Bitcoin reshapes far more than finances influencing mindset, health, patience, freedom, and long-term thinking. Robin shares his journey from dismissing Bitcoin as a scam in 2017 to becoming one of Europe’s leading Bitcoin voices. The conversation explores AI’s impact on the future of work, why personal branding may become the ultimate asset in an AI-driven world, strategies for navigating Bitcoin bear markets, and his controversial take on homeownership versus investing in Bitcoin. Robin also breaks down the vision behind MicroSeed and why optimism, sovereignty, and community are at the center of the Bitcoin movement.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Have you ever noticed that the people that complain the most about their jobs are the same people that are afraid that AI might take it from them? Like that is so crazy. Like you complain about your job all day long and then you're afraid that someone actually might come and do it for you. And then there's a deeper question, I think, in there because I think people are afraid that they have to search meaning in their life. Because if if if you have to work to make ends meet, you have meaning. Like you have kids and like you have to work like 40 hours a week to feed them, to feed yourself, to keep paying the rent or the mortgage or whatever you pay. It's very easy to get motivated in the morning because if you don't set up, like the bills stack up and like at some point like you get put in prison because you can't pay your bills. Like it's an easy motivation to have. But what if all your bills are paid? Uh do you have like meaning and like do you know what to do if you don't have to work? And I think a lot of people don't have the answer for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Hey everyone, welcome back to To the Moon with the Lunas podcast. We appreciate all of you tuning in. Uh the Bitcoin prices at 79,000. We have a great episode lined up for you. We have Robin Sayar, uh an Austrian writer, speaker, and the host of the Robin Sayer podcast, one of Europe's leading Bitcoin-only shows. He's also co-founder of Microseed and author of the Great Capital Shift, focused on how Bitcoin is reshaping the future of money and just spoke at the 2026 Bitcoin conference in Vegas. Let's go. Robin, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Oh, thank you for the nice intro. Yeah, I'm doing really good. It's uh I'm just coming back from Vegas, so I'm still adjusting to the European time zone. But it's it was a really cool conference. I mean, a lot of people hate on it because they also have like shit coins and stable coins in there. But it's a solid, like really good Bitcoin conference at that scale. I think it's just like really hard to keep all the shit coins and stable coins uh things out there. And I'm excited for what's to come. Like I think we are at just the start of something really interesting in Bitcoin. So I'm excited to talk talk with you about this today.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Oh gosh, I'm sure. I'm sure being in the environment too is so refreshing, you know, because sometimes, well, I don't know if you you you probably don't feel like this, but I feel like sometimes when you're out in the real world, not everyone really understands Bitcoin, you know? And so when you're in the immersed in it and you're like, oh my gosh, all these people think like me. Like it's probably so refreshing, you know?

SPEAKER_03 2:37

It is like that. I mean, um, over the past couple of years, I've been now in Bitcoin six years, and the last two years I'm working full-time in Bitcoin, a little bit over two years, and I have my podcast and my social media presence now since like almost three years or a little bit over three years already. So I've immersed myself even outside of Bitcoin conferences so deep into the Bitcoin ecosystem, so that it's really hard for me to meet now people that are not into Bitcoin. Even my family, even my bigger family, they kind of stopped challenging me on Bitcoin. And uh a lot of them actually adopted Bitcoin and have Bitcoin. And my best friends are now Bitcoiners. That's the thing. Like the the few best friends that I had uh that were non-bitcoiners either converted or went out of my life. Uh, that's what happens when you go into a pyramid scheme, right? Like you sort out to people. Uh and then I got a lot of new friends from the Bitcoin ecosystem that are now one of my best friends that I got to know just because of Bitcoin. And uh it's kind of amazing. I always come back to like this three pillars, the three benefits that you have from Bitcoin. The first one is obvious. We talked about the uh you talked talked about the price, the 79k. And I think we're going uh much higher. We're going to 100k, 10 million, 1 million, all the all the price targets. Uh, this is about just like one aspect of Bitcoin. It's like the the wealth aspect. Then there's the second aspect of the freedom aspects. We sure talk also about self-custody, like taking your own keys, running your own node, being a self-sovereign individual in the Bitcoin ecosystem. But the third aspect is what I just described. It's being immersed in the culture of Bitcoin, being a part of the community. And this is really this is really cool to have the cultural aspect because then you get the energy, the motivation, and the vibe from the Bitcoin community, which forces you to rethink your diet, rethink how much what you're doing, like all of those things. I think I personally think a Bitcoiner has a way longer life expectancy just because of that than the average person, because he thinks about his money. So he doesn't have to worry as much as the average person about money. He thinks about his diet, his sports, like what he's doing, thinks about more being patient with things and not uh rushing into things. So that's that's kind of like being immersed in the Bitcoin has huge benefits.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Yeah, no, I think that's great because uh people that's one thing that people don't understand until you take that deep dive into the deep end with Bitcoin, is how it creeps into everything in your life, and then you start focusing on things that actually matter because Bitcoin will take care of the money part of things, and then Bitcoin allows you to focus on things that matter, whether that's family, your faith, you know, your dieting, all this other good stuff. Um, I'm really excited to have you on here, Robin, because you know, we've I've I've followed you for a while, tuning in, and then we can have you on a podcast. Like, I don't know, that's just it's just really cool to experience. And so we're super pumped up for this episode. And I wanted to ask you, so like if you don't mind sharing a little bit more about your story, like when you got introduced into Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

I got introduced in Bitcoin 2017, and I think a lot of people can relate to that. Uh, when you first get into Bitcoin, you think it's not good, it's fit you think it's like a scam or like you you think something bad about Bitcoin. I don't know, maybe it's different now in 2026 because it's just like longer round now, like uh big people are talking about like it's it's a different ecosystem now than in 2017. 2017 there was no publicly traded company that had Bitcoin on the balance sheet. There was no president talking about it. There were basically almost no politicians in the whole world that ever talked about it in public. I'm sure there were some politicians that on a very local level uh very silently talked about it. So 2017 was still in the phase where if you mentioned Bitcoin, most people thought you are scamming someone. So that this is this was a very different era. And unfortunately, I was not smarter than the other uh other people. So I thought also Bitcoin is a scam, so why should I get into it? And I had that belief uh between 2017 and uh 2020. So I thought it's a scam, I thought it's not good. I invested in everything else. I invested in Tesla, Apple, and all the tech stocks, did really well in that environment. But I didn't uh get into Bitcoin. It was only in 2020 where I really discovered what Bitcoin is, where someone challenged me. I tried to figure out okay, why is Bitcoin a scam? And in the process of figuring out why Bitcoin is a scam, I figured out that Bitcoin might not be a scam and might actually be something useful for humanity. And then uh down the rabbit hole uh I I I went. That's kind of the basic story uh of like how I discovered Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Yeah, oh gosh, that's awesome. I'm I'm impressed that you were able to reteach yourself a little bit more too. Well, in 2020 we had a little extra time too to be able to research.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

This was actually like um I know uh a lot of people might think differently. And don't get me wrong, I I don't like governments locking people down. Like that's a bad thing. Like that's not a not a good thing at all. But honestly, for my specific situation, it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me because I did so many different things at that time. I was uh politically active, I had a job, I was a student, and I had civil service. So I did like a lot of different things all at once. And then one day the lockdown came, and all of a sudden I had nothing to do. Like meh for two weeks, every activity I did on a daily basis was just stopped, and nobody had a clue how we continue. So this this held on for like two weeks, which gave me a lot of time to just like hang out in the garden. It was also beautiful. We had a small garden, uh, the sun was rising. So I actually I know people hate on COVID and the lockdowns, and I I do too. Like, I don't think this is a good thing. I don't think the government should be able to lock people down. But in my specific case, it was actually a very nice time. It was perfect for me. It really gave me the opportunity and the free time and kind of the wake-up call, also, to like just research something else, like try to do something else. Because all the things that I've done till now was just stopped. And so you're like, okay, what's that Bitcoin thing? What's that uh YouTube thing? Like, why do people start podcasts? This is actually the origin story. Like COVID was the original story also of my podcast. Back then, I started my first podcast, I stopped it uh after everything went up again. Like uh like when when COVID uh stopped, I stopped also my my podcast again and then restarted it in November 2023. But honestly, it was and and maybe people can relate to that. Like I I thought that time was awesome. Like I really enjoyed having time for myself and like like thinking and and and writing and and researching stuff. And that's kind of the ultra story, not only of my podcast, but uh especially also of my Bitcoin story. It's uh it was a it was a crazy time.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Yeah, no, I think it's what you make of it. You know, I think what's neat about uh situations like that, I think you can have a really negative mindset or you could have a positive mindset. And I think it opened a lot of people's eyes during that time of uh maybe focusing on their family a little bit more or just slowing down a little bit. I know out here in in or in California, I mean, it's a rat race all the time. Everyone's just constantly just in this hamster wheel of going to work, coming back, and you know, barely spending time with each other, you know, and it's just like survival mode, I feel like. And so I think your perspective is so refreshing for people to hear because I think um some people as much as it was challenging, and of course we were totally against it as well. Um, I think it was super eye-opening to a lot of people during that time of like something's off, or maybe I haven't spent enough time with my family or my children or things like that. And yeah, you just have to have a different mindset around certain things. And some people, you know, did nothing and laid on the couch and look at you. You researched, you wrote a you were writing, you were, you know, doing all the things, um, spending time in nature, which is super important too. So I just commend you for that mindset. And I think it's really good for people to hear that also.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

I think in Bitcoin, um, if if you're a Bitcoiner, you understand that a lot of the things that we currently do are fucked up. Like we have uh a really bad monetary system. The bad monetary system has implications on our political political system, it has implications all in all our life aspects. And so you can you can get really nihilistic with with that. If you you can get really negative with when you understand what the fiat system actually is doing, you could have the mindset of everything is going to shit, the world is going to the end, like it's it's so bad. I choose not to believe that. I choose that Bitcoin and AI will bring uh great prosperity to our world. And uh, I mean I think we talked about before about AI, and there's always this discussion of like, oh, how many people will lose jobs? And I'm like, yeah, if you're doing a job that can be replaced by AI, maybe it's a good thing. Like it's a good thing that we as humans no longer have to do that. Just over the thing if someone takes my job, I will be homeless on the street. Like that's not what's gonna happen. I personally, and if you look at the past, I think like 30, 40 years, even though we had such a bad monetary system, the average hours that we work is still has gone down. Now think about how good it would have been if we have a sound money standard. But I think now with Bitcoin on your personal standard plus AI boosting your productivity, boosting your life, you will be able to go from 35 hours to 30 to 20 to 15 hours. Um, and so this is kind of the future I'm seeing. I'm seeing a sound money standard that you can already opt in today. You don't have to wait for everyone else. People are sometimes I uh meet people in Bitcoin, oh it's so bad, the fiat system is so horrible. I'm like, yeah, you you got Bitcoin. You yeah, you don't have to operate in Bitcoin, uh, you don't have to operate in the fiat. You can literally have a Bitcoin bank account today and pay everything from that wherever you are. You don't have to move to El Salvador, you don't have to move to uh Lugano or do any of those places. There are you can literally just pay with Bitcoin with a lot of the tools that are out there. Yes, they connect to the fiat system, yes, that's evil, I get it, but you can already do it for you personally today, nobody's stopping you. And then with AI, uh we just talked about today how in the beginning I was doing everything myself and it was a lot of work. Then I hired people and it was less work for me, but I had to pay them all. And now I'm like, oh, this person is doing that, I can do this with AI. This person is doing that, I can do this with AI. And so you can really scale up your own like small little world um with AI and Bitcoin. And I I'm I'm a helpless optimist. Like, I I'm always looking at the pride side of life, I'm always looking at like how is that good? The same with COVID, as you mentioned. If uh if something really bad happens, I'm like, how can I make the best out of this situation? And clearly there are situations where they just suck. Like, I don't know, like if if you lose your leg today, like it's hard to think about uh the positive side of that. But hey, maybe the positive side of that is you have an amazing story to tell. Maybe that maybe you can pack that story in a book, maybe you sell like millions and millions of copies because the leg got chopped off, you know. Like may uh it's we as humans can always choose to think negatively and always choose to think positively because you will always find someone that just has it worse than you, and that's a kind of like a bad thing to say, but like you you need the perspective that uh things are gonna work out really, really well. And so I've I've seen actually in the Bitcoin community, most people think positive because they found Bitcoin, they found the the good things, and so I would encourage people to to think about the bright side of life and not the the dark side, like the fourth turning, and all of them will come down and like it will get so much worse before it gets good. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. It life seems not that bad. Like, I don't know about but you guys, but you you have three kids. It seems like you have a lovely life. You can do the podcast, so like I I don't think life is that bad. Whenever I hear someone complaining about their life, I'm asking them about their life, and I'm like, that doesn't sound that bad. Like you it's it's not it's not like you you're you're complaining on a very high level. Yes, you're not a sailor on a yacht, yeah. Me, me neither. But yeah, like you're also not a slave like thousands of years ago working uh 20 hours uh a day. Like you can have it a lot worse.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

That is so good, Robin. And you know what? I was thinking about what you were sharing too is that if it's interesting. So, like if you can go ahead and get our time back right with AI, where it's replacing stuff and you're working less hours, it's almost going back to that COVID mindset where you have more time to actually think about things that are more important and be creative and try to figure out ways to add value. Uh, instead of, you know, being locked up in a job where you're like, you know, 40 plus hours a week and you're and then you're tired to give your leftovers to your spouse and your kids, and you have like these two days of freedom where everyone gets pumped up for, right? Um uh I was thinking about that the whole time when you were straight. I'm like, man, that's almost like we're you're almost going back to the like the COVID months, where you have more time to do things that you want to do and focus on things that you want to go. And as far as like people being negative, like it's so funny how people always want to um uh go down that route where oh replace jobs like instant homeless. Right? It's it's always like, oh, well, what am I gonna do now? Like is you know, if a robot's gonna do my job or AI is gonna do like, oh my dude, or be a solution seeker, figure it out. Maybe this is like maybe it's like code where you have to pivot and then you get to do something and opens your mind to something where oh man, like I didn't know I can, you know, do this YouTube thing or this podcast thing where it slows things down for you. So I think that's I think that's great when it comes to that.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Have you ever noticed that the people that complain the most about their jobs are the same people that are afraid that AI might take it from them?

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

I'm like, like that's so crazy. Like you complain about your job all day long, and then you are afraid that someone actually might come and do it for you.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

And like and then there's a deeper question, I think, in there because I think people are afraid that they have to search meaning in their life. Because if if if you have to work to make ends meet, you have meaning. Like you have kids and like you have to work like 40 hours a week to feed them, to feed yourself, to keep paying the rent or the mortgage or whatever you pay. It's very easy to get motivated in the morning because if you don't set up, like the bills stack up and like at some point like you get put in prison because you can't pill pay your bills. Like it's an easy motivation to have. But what if all your bills are paid? Like, like uh do you have like meaning and like do you know what to do if you don't have to work? And I think a lot of people don't have the answer for that.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

I agree. And I think it's because, and I'm just thinking about what you're saying. I think because a uh like the baby boomers, you know, they had to work so hard for so long to get to where they want. Like my dad's a boomer, right? So he's always said, like, work hard, finish, you know, always had a great mindset. And I really feel like at the core, it's a great value system. Um, but I feel like now, yeah, I don't think he knows what he loves, you know. I don't think he or and like, or and not just him. I'm just I'm not him. I should just say like boomers in general. It's hard for them to really understand, like, what do I enjoy doing because I've had to work so hard for so many years? You know, I don't, I don't, I don't know, you know, and I agree with you. I think that's something that's kind of shifting in our society is you know, really going back to what is this meaning of life? You know, what what what do we get to do? What do we, you know, get to, you know, share with our families or do with our families or create memories and you know, all those things that because all this stuff we can't take with us, you know, and we pass. And um, I think, yeah, going back to that those core values of like, what is like the meaning of all this? You know, what what could I do and be present with in this time frame? So I think but Bitcoin allows people to have that mindset because there's so much more hope. And I I have noticed this and I've always told Anthony, I was like, Bitcoin's really awesome, like the community in general, because there's so many like-minded people who have a more hopeful out outlook on life than the people who are, you know, stuck in this rat race or in the fiat system or things like that. I talk about this all the time, but it's so eye-opening to me. It's so drastic of a uh difference of people that you talk to, especially when when we have uh guests like you or other guests that have been on our podcast. For me, I'm like, wow, everyone is so happy and joyful and excited for what's to come.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Not, oh man, like I don't know. Uh we'll see, you know, I'm so tired from work. Inflation, yeah, all this stuff, you know, that's out of our control. You know, it's really not something we can do. But yeah, that's a great perspective that you have, Robin, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

I'm always baffled by how many people complain about the right things, like inflation, about governments, and not do anything. I'm like, you're like, okay, you complain about inflation. What do you do? Where's your money? Oh, you have everything in a bank account? Yeah, of course you're getting hit by inflation. Like, like your life is very poor. It's it's it's uh by design, you have to work very hard to keep up with inflation. You have to basically get a 10% raise every single year to just have this just to afford the same amount of things that you afforded the the the last year. And if you're not saving, your savings are just kind of a road away. Um it's it's crazy. So it's like there's also the question of should I buy a home? And I asked the the question uh comes up a lot with with people that that are now in the work like my age, like around 25 to 35, around that age where you're like, okay, I have some capital, I have a work, I have like a job, I could potentially afford a home. Um, should I do it or not? And actually, I personally think you should not do it. But for most people, it's actually better than not doing anything. Because if you are just renting and not investing in anything at all, at least you have a home, at least you have some asset that appreciates a little bit. So like I don't know, in Austria looked it up, it's like three, four percent on average the home goes up in in value. That's three, four percent more than the euro goes up. Um and so that's that's uh a little bit better. But if you just take the down payment and put it into an SP 500, I'm not talking about stretch, I'm not talking about Bitcoin, I'm not talking about anything like crazy, I'm just talking about the S B 500. You're outperforming with renting plus having the S B 500 over buying that home because the down payment is so huge. I mean, if you can rent uh if you can buy a home with very little down payment, like under 5%, it starts making sense again in the out uh in the other way for the buying the home because the leverage of the home gets so high, that's why it really depends on the other thing. And then there's another small aspect uh of buying research renting that I want to really uh put in there because it can also just be an emotional and um family decision. Like if you want to build a family and you know exactly where you want to live and you wanna build your family with the kids there, like just buy the home. Like money is there to be used, and a home shouldn't be an investment. It's just like like if you need a car, buy a car. Um then this question is just like do you want to lease the car, do you want to rent the car, do you want to buy the car? And that's just like an economic decision, but it's just like maybe you just want the the house anyways. But yeah, um economically they're a lot. I'm uh I'm amazed by how many people like just have a bank account and like maybe a little bit of SB 500 and maybe a little bit of a home thing that they're doing. I'm like, that's all you do? Of course you're uh hit by inflation.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Yeah, yeah. The the home thing, it really hits home too um over here because it it it's uh when you understand Bitcoin, you realize that a home's getting cheaper. So then you're like, why am I going to you know put this huge down payment uh, you know, and everybody sees it as an investment. Oh, my house is an asset. No, your house is a liability. Uh, and people forget that because we're all taught that it's an asset. Oh, it goes home. Like that, those days are over. You know, it a liability takes money out of your pocket, just like the common definition, an asset puts money in your pocket. A liability on your home, you know, there's principal interest, taxes, insurance, and and those goes up, those go up all the time. And so people forget like that's an it's a liability. When I I used to do loans as a loan officer, when you would pull someone's like, hey, I want to buy a home. I mean, somebody has a home already and you they want to refinance. When you pull their credit, we have to pull their credit. That's like the first thing you have to do. Like, we're not going anywhere unless we pull your credit. You pull their credit, the first thing that comes up on the very top, you'll see credit cards, um, you know, credit cards, uh, car loans, all this stuff. The very top thing on that on your credit report is your home. It's a because it's a liability. And so um, I don't know, it's it's very hard to like look into getting a home when you understand Bitcoin, you know where it's going, and you can get a home a lot cheaper in the future. We'll we'll see. We'll see how that goes. Um uh it's just that that's a whole other deep dive conversation right there.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

I I want to just share one thing for people. Uh, if they are, because I know a lot of people are looking into like buying a home or like not renting and all of those things. This is uh one chart that I like to look at if you are thinking about buying a home. Because yes, like real estate measured in Bitcoin is going down. Like that's not a but it's also like an unfair comparison because Bitcoin started from zero. So if you're like uh looking at the Bitcoin price or like the real estate price measured in Bitcoin the last 10 years, obviously it has tanked dramatically because Bitcoin has just gone up so much. So then like it does not make sense to buy a home. But what if we measure uh real estate in something more stable, a little bit more uh it's that is bigger, and it's has been around for thousands of years, which is gold. In the last uh 26 years now, gold uh or like real estate actually has gone down in price compared to gold. So if you look at the last uh 26 years, it just has gone down, and and this kind of shows you maybe real estate isn't an investment, it just goes up because the underlying thing that you're measuring it with is going down faster than the real estate. If you measure it in gold, or if you measured it in SP 500, or you measure it in Bitcoin, and whatever asset you're measuring real estate in, it usually loses against uh that. And so then you add in um not only that you have to pay, not only that the price actually goes down, the real price, the measured in gold price, but also if most people can just buy a home, they usually mortgage that. And even if you have a 3% interest rate on your home and you have that for like let's say 35 years or 30 years, 45% of the whole thing that you're paying to the bank is just interest rate and other costs like lawyers, and only uh 55% is the actual home price. And so a lot of people are not aware of that whole math, how how bad of a financial decision a home can be. And I'm I'm pressing down on that because a home is such a big decision, and I'm not saying don't buy the home, like if you need it, if you want it, like do it. I just want to make sure people know what they're getting into, because it's just like so many people say, like, oh, it's an easy decision. Like, I buy a home because everyone does it, my uncle does it, my sister does it, like I just buy also a home. Before you sign anything, like really look into the numbers. They're not lying. It's it's it's it's very clear to me. And so, especially if you understand Bitcoin, uh, but yeah, I'll I I just wanted to hammer that down because a lot of people are thinking about that. I get some some questions around that. Uh, and I'm myself like very much pro just rent. Um, but um that might change when I get kids, so like that's I I reserve my right to change my mind on that.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

No, that's good. No, it's very helpful. Thank you for for sharing that with our listeners too, because it's it's very helpful to see um a different perspective, and that chart is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Yeah, yeah. Hey uh Robin, so uh you've been in Bitcoin for a little bit, um back and forth, 2017, 2020. Um, so right now we're in a bear market, even though I still think we're in uh big uh one Bitcoin is 78,000, which is still like a you know, in my I think we forget, like that's great. 78,000. And so um right now, like, so what would you say people should focus on during this time, right? And fireworks are going off, we're at 126 all-time high last year, bitcoin's going up gradually. Uh we're at 78k. Like, what would what should you and right now on on X it almost feels like a graveyard and crickets, like no one's really like it's not where it's you know, where um I don't know where it was last year. What should you people be focusing on right now um in this bear um in this bear market or with Bitcoin being 40% lower?

SPEAKER_03 29:47

I have the perspective that till we are like there is bull and bear markets, and we call a bull market when we're going up and the euphoria is there, and people are greedy and like want to buy as many Bitcoin as possible. Um, and bear markets we call when it goes down, like we are like 30%, 40%, 50% down. There is a little bit of a debate where the the spring-off point is between a correction and a bear market, because even in bull markets, we sometimes have 30% corrections and then we keep going up. So um I I will just go with the flow and say that's a bear market. Um, so there's bull and bear markets, but honestly, if you're a bitcoiner, there's only like two real things that that matter: just keep on to the Bitcoin, and so like the accumulation, just like keep on accumulating. There are different strategies, and actually, the longer I'm in Bitcoin, the more I'm realizing maybe it's a good strategy to not just buy blindly, but like buy with some kind of strategy. And I'll I'll dive into that a little bit later, maybe. But the first thing, just like keep on buying, especially in the bear market. If you're getting if you're if there's a 50% drawdown, you get twice as many Bitcoin as you got just like half a year ago. And now Bitcoin is even better from fundamentals, so it's like a better product for half the price. It's like if you have an I don't know, toaster oven that you really like, and you looked at it and you like it, you love it, all of a sudden it broke down. Now they come up with a new version, it's better, it has all the fancy shit, and it's half the price. And you're like, ah, it's half the price now. I I want to buy something more expensive. Like, I don't know, it's it's not that attractive anymore because it's half the price. That's a ridiculous thing to say. And the same way it's a ridiculous thing to say with Bitcoin. Like, Bitcoin got better in the last half year. A lot of development has happened in the last half year, and the price has gone down 40%. This is the time where you should like uh say let's sell sell your shares, like mortgage your grandma, and like get like buy as many bitcoin as you humanly possibly can. Um, the other thing is um that's like the stacking, the accumulation thing. The other thing is if you are like there's people that are in Bitcoin, working Bitcoin, and there are people that just work in feat. If you do, this is the time where you want to be frugal, where you wanna stack some over hours if you can at the work, if you wanna dive deeper, uh maybe you wanna do something like whatever you're doing currently to make money, right now it's a great time to be extra motivated. Because as I said, you're getting twice as many Bitcoin as you just got like half a year ago. So if there's a if there's a chance to make more money, like that's it. Now, if you're working in Bitcoin, that's harder. And everyone that is working Bitcoin can relate to that because most the the Bitcoiners that make most of the money make most of the money in the bull markets, not in the bear markets. The I I have my own company, I have a lot of partners and sponsors, I'm very connected in the space. Everyone is telling me the same thing. The uh the the orders went uh orders are way higher, uh, like half a year ago. There are no new people joining. If there are no new people joining, you can't sell them uh hardware, software, services, and all of that as much as you did half a year ago. So if you're working in Bitcoin in the bear market, it's double as hard because your net worth just got halved and your income is also struggling. You might get have gotten laid off. I heard from a couple of companies, Bitcoin companies that laid off some staff that are restructuring things. So it's just overall a harder time. Um so there's there's those two things. So keep on stacking, especially this time. And if you somehow have the possibility to earn more, if you don't have to sacrifice your family or anything of that, um, or maybe you want to sacrifice for a short period of time to stack, stack harder to have more time later, like this is the time to do it, to to really dig in and and and get in there. Now I mentioned before the kind of the stacking stacking strategy. I for a very long time just bought everything. I like no matter if it was all-time high or all-time low, I mean all-time low is not possible. It started at zero, but like all-time high, or like we're in a bear market at a 50% correction, I was just buying. Like I didn't care about the price. Now I'm a little bit long in Bitcoin and I see patterns, and I'm like, okay, maybe it would have been better to have not a hundred percent Bitcoin allocation, but like a 90% Bitcoin allocation and like 10% cash, and just keep it at that ratio. Because the beautiful thing that happens when you keep it at 10% uh cash ratio is when Bitcoin goes up a lot, you just put your income into the cash position to keep the 10% uh percentage because the Bitcoin kind of eats up your cash percentage if it goes up. And then the beautiful thing that happens if Bitcoin goes down, your cash position position gets bigger. Then you have to buy Bitcoin with the cash cash position to get more Bitcoin again. And actually, I had a guest on the show, Stephen Perinot. He did the math. He did the math, what is the best Bitcoin to cash kind of ratio? And apparently it's six uh 76%, 76% all in Bitcoin, and the rest in uh in cash. And if you do that over the last 10 years, you actually ended up with more Bitcoin than if you just bought with 100% of your possession Bitcoin, which is a really interesting strategy. Because you always have a cash cushion, which makes your sleep maybe better. Like if there's a surprise thing, uh surprise expense coming up, I don't know, uh you're getting pregnant again, like you all of a sudden you have to buy things again, like you need a bigger car because the the car that you still uh that I have right now doesn't fit the fourth quit or something like that. Like things are happening in life, and you might need money in the short term. So having a cash position and not having to sell the Bitcoin is a huge, huge game changer for me that I've just started to adopt in the last, like I think November last year I started to adopt that slowly, and I'm building my cash position cash position now, which is a horrible time to build a cash position in the in the bear market. But yeah, I was too stupid to not do it, uh not to do it in the bull market, so I have to do it in the bear market. So that's one thing I want to share is like 100% Bitcoin position might not be the best, uh might not be the best strategy long term, especially if you have family or any other responsibilities. I also one thing why I did it is now with the company and now I'm getting married literally in four days. So when this comes out, I'm probably already married. It's just my responsibility to have money and always uh be able to pay for things grew. Like five years ago when I got into Bitcoin, six years ago when I got into Bitcoin, I was a single guy, like no responsibilities, no companies. I didn't, I couldn't care less about anything. Like I'm just like, yeah, like I buy this, I do this. Like as as you as you stack like wife or husband and first kid, second kid, third kid. I mean, you guys can relate to that probably way more than I can. You just stack responsibilities, and you are the one in charge of ha having to pay bills. Like your kids can't work. You kind of have to be be there for them. Um the same way I I'm trying to be there for like my wife can like soon to be wife, uh, can can pay everything herself. But in an emergency, I want to be able to take care of her. The same way I think the other way around. Like if your husband is out of work and the wife uh should be stepping in. And so it's like so. I think just like increasing your own personal responsibility might make the feel on like, oh, I'm just like going all in on Bitcoin a little bit different, and having a position that is also a little bit cash position might be good. We can also talk about strategy and and stretch and all those products, but I've I I I always like to keep it simple just Bitcoin self-custody and some cash position.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

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SPEAKER_00 38:58

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SPEAKER_02 39:17

Yeah, no, that's that's really good. And if you really think about it too, like basically 75% Bitcoin is still a very good portion to position like if we're like big picture, 75% of Bitcoin is still a great position to be in, right? And like you share too, um, you know, having a wife and having kids, yeah, you stack more responsibilities. So having that cash position is important as much as we want to like be all in on Bitcoin, it's still, you know, uh, even if you're not in Bitcoin, let's just say this you you want to have an emergency fund, and we've always had that emergency fund, and it's always been nice because it does, you know, things happen, right? We live in on planet earth where life happens, and so um it's always been nice to have that fund. And so it just has it just gets bigger with the responsibilities that you end up stacking. Um, and so I I think that's such a a great point where a lot of people, uh Bitcoiners might get lost in like, hey, Bitcoin, Bitcoin only, you know, fiat zero. Like, yeah, I understand that you could still have Bitcoin only at 75%, um, you know, and not have any other assets. Again, that's another topic. But um sharing that too, um, with this being in a bear market, one of the things I, you know, I personally have uh we've taken on our on ourselves where it it is kind of significant to have study, study Bitcoin more. It's this is a perfect time to like figure it out what it is, um, where you're you're getting it at like 40% uh cheaper. What is it? How do I get uh take custody of this? What is self-custody? What is you know a hot wallet, a cold wallet? Um, so just to share with you, we actually just got this in on Friday, super pumped. Bow micro seed. So um it's really cool because doing this journey with Danielle, uh, we're you know, I already we already have a couple wallets already, but um, we're like, man, we need to take everything to the next level and treat our Bitcoin that we have right now like if it's, you know, like you shared in the very beginning, a million, 10 million, because we know where it's going. Right. But why would you not um do your due diligence when it's when it's lower, right? And and so it's really cool to go on this journey with her. Uh so we got the micro seat on Friday, yeah, and then um, you know, and then walk her through like a uh I did the first wallet spot myself, so we're gonna do an another wallet together and get rid of the one other one, you know, going like a Bitcoin-only um hardware wallet. And so just doing this process, it's important. Doing your doing your studying Bitcoin in a bear market is the perfect time to to study um you know, self-custody and stuff like that. And instead of in a bull market, it's just like, you know, everyone's kind of like number go up, price go up. But like don't forget the fundamentals, don't forget the basics, don't forget, you know, you want to be protected at all times, uh being self-sovereign. And um I know you're a partner with micro seed. Um, so you you mind sharing a little bit about like how that came to fruition and you know just a little bit more on that.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Oh yeah, thank you. Um but I thank you so much for for buying the micro seed. That's that's really cool and uh really awesome. Um I have the I have the OG, like old version, like the with the orange base still. Uh it's not as good as as the uh as was you already have. And actually, this is maybe ties back to the the previous topic. Um we had we started micro seed, I think like April last year, where we had the first sales, something like that, and we really rammed up like marketing in like July, August, around that time, like last year. And it was bull market. We were like, we got so many orders, we were we couldn't keep up. We got the orders, and it's a physical product, so you have to pre-order, and then it takes a while till it comes to you, then we have to assemble it, and then we can ship it out to customers. So we're always behind, and that time we were sold out most of the times. Um and now the time got a little bit slower, not as many new people come in, so there's less orders coming in. And that's actually, I talked with Daniel uh and Fritz, uh, my two co-founders of MicroSeed. It's actually a blessing because we I mean, it's uh it's of course I say that because I'm optimist, uh, but but but it was actually a blessing because it gave us the time to rethink the whole design. We if if we was just gone up and like we just we would have just brought that out. And man, that that's an amazing product. It's it works really, really good, but it has uh a few small flaws, like the price is is is is high, um, and things that we just like figured out after having it some time that you can still improve, even though I personally think this is already Is the like by far the best product on the market. And we just want to take it even further. We want to take it even a step further. But this takes a lot of time to develop, to research, to think about. And so we actually now developed a whole new micro seed. I mean, whole new, it's like it's the same process, the same thing. It has the same element to it. And honestly, we're super, super glad that we did that. Because without the public uh without the bear market, we've not never would have done that. And now I don't know exactly when it will launch. It will still take some time. So I think even if this part when this podcast drops, I think it will still not have the new version out because it just takes a long time to develop something and then test it and like get it out on the market and all of that. So we'll still still take some time. I hope the bull market doesn't start till we get the new thing going. Um, but that's just me hopefully wishing that the bull market uh takes some time. Like I actually, I actually, if I can if I can really choose when the bull market starts, I want to have it started like end of this year, not like before, but I I'm not God unfortunately. Um so uh it's so this is what a blessing in the skies, like the the the bear market, because we were able to to develop the micro seed, which I absolutely love, even further, make it affordable for a bigger portion of uh of the population, um and uh even have some kind of like uh small improvements here and there. But the biggest improvement is the affordability uh of the of the new one, uh which is it's it's just huge for us uh to have that time. Now, how did I get involved with that? I think this is just uh personal branding. Like if there's one aspect that we haven't talked about. We have talked about Bitcoin, we've talked a little bit about AI. But if you think about the new world that we are going to enter, we have Bitcoin on the one hand and AI on the other hand. AI will demonetize human, like we will just demonetize human labor. Will be less and less uh which will be uh hard for people to adjust to, but we will have some time to adjust to. Then uh we have Bitcoin, which is demonetizing all other assets, literally gold, real estate, all of it. And then what are um uh what what is still of value? What like what is still there that people really want? It's branding. It sounds ridiculous when you say it at first, but branding is the most important thing that you can possibly have in an AI world. Think about you ordering pizza right now versus you ordering pizza in an AI world. Right now, if you order pizza, you're like researching on the app, like, okay, what is the best pizza? What are people saying about it? Uh, and then maybe uh you know your pizza place and you always go there and you just like pick it up from there. In an AI world, you will just say, Hey, I want to have a pizza, give me a pizza. And then AI is comparing all the pizzas uh and searches through all the reviews and all the things uh really, really nicely and figures out what is the best quality pizza for the best possible price. What happens in a market if there's such an efficient tool in there? It drives down the price of everything and makes pizza an absolute commodity. And so this is without branding. But if you have branding, if you have branding power and you're like, hey, I want a pizza from Domino's, hey, I want to have a pizza from the pizza man, all of a sudden AI is not searching all the pizza places, but only the dominoes, only the pizza man place, wherever you're getting a pizza. And so this is the power of personal branding. Uh it's the power of branding. Now I come one step down. Personal branding is even more important because people will always love to connect to people. I don't think this will change. I'm I don't think that we will all be like soul guys and be uh having sex with some like AI version of a girl or a boy. Like I maybe I'm wrong, but like I personally think we'll always have to connect with actual human beings, and we will always buy from human beings, we'll always take advice from other human beings. If you think about podcasting, it's actually a weird thing that it's around. Because you can just literally go into ChatGPT and think about hey, what is Bitcoin and like why is it important and like what should I know about it? There you go. You don't we eliminated all Bitcoin podcasts, we don't need them anymore because you can just look it up on ChatGPT. But there's something special about humans, they want to connect with human other human beings, they want to uh hear what Michael Saylor is saying about Bitcoin, they want to see what what he is saying about Bitcoin. Why is QA so popular with with popular people? There's literally, I was uh at the QA session in the in the VAP section with Michael Saylor, and the host said, Oh, does someone have questions? And everyone was like, Oh, I have a question for Michael Saylor. Why is that? They could literally just ask AI the same question and might actually get a better answer because AI can research deeper. They could even ask AI, what would Michael Saylor say to that question? And AI probably gets a really good answer to that. But why are people paying thousands of dollars to sit in a chair just to see Michael Saylor in person, just to raise the hand to maybe get a chance to ask him a question? It's personal connection. It's like we heard that guy so many times in our podcast, we we're connected to him, and the same with all the personal brands. Uh, I just choose Michael Saylor for that example because everyone knows him. Um, and so branding will still be around, but what you can do as a as a as a person is do personal branding. That that's the most important. Oh, I remember now where I was going with that. And because of personal branding, um Daniel knew me and we got together, we formed that friendship. Uh, he came to Vienna, we played golf, we had some nice time in uh in Vienna, and that's basically how it came together. Uh so I could so that's what I'm kind of wanting to say. Build your own personal brand. Know, like if you if you ask AI who Robin Sayre is, or you Google Robin Sayre, there should be an answer for that. There should be something coming up, and you have to maybe work really hard to like have that personal brand. But if you have it, there are advantages coming from that. I could make a whole two, three-hour podcast of all the advantages that I have just personally seen from my small personal brand. I I'm not a Michael Sailor, I'm not as Anthony Anthony. Um I'm not a Cypherina Moose, I wanted to say. I I you you Anthony, that's why Anthony dropped in my head. I was like, where's the Anthony coming from now? Uh right here. Yeah, there like the I'm not a Cypherina Moose, Michael Sailor, or any of those very big people, but I already see what huge personal branding affects, um, affects what what you can do in the space. So I personally um encourage everyone that has the courage to go out with their name and with their uh likeliness and with their face, like build your personal brand as hard as possible. It's it's a huge advantage. You get opportunities before other people even hear about a thing. Like I I heard about Microseed before even five people bought it. And so it's like a huge advantage that I just have because of the personal brand. I have friendships, literally friendships that I absolutely love because of the personal brand. Because someone reached out, like, oh Robin, love your stuff, and we got to talking and uh we hang out, and he was on the podcast, and like over two, three years, and you're like, oh gosh, like I love this guy. He's a great friend of mine now. And so it connecting with human beings, networking, building a personal brand, uh interacting with other human beings is probably the most important thing that you can possibly do in an AI-powered and Bitcoin-powered world.

unknown 52:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Yeah. I think also 2020 was uh very eye-opener for that too. You know, we wanted human connection. You know, we wanted to be able to. I know we love being with our friends and family. And when that's taken away, you kind of go, like, what's the point? We need to be able to connect with people and really um learn from each other and you know, disagree and have discussions. And I think that's super, super important. I think that's a really great aspect that you're sharing with us for sure.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Yeah, well, everybody wants to be acknowledged going back to what you were talking about with Michael Saylor, right? Oh, well, you know, I went to the Bitcoin conference and Michael Saylor picked on me and he answered my question, or like me and him had an interaction. Like everybody is feeding for that human connection. I think everybody communicates, but if you connect, you have to learn how to be a connector, right? And be having a podcast like you know, you like you're obviously a connector, right? You've had multiple guests of you know all across the world, different, you know, uh backgrounds, and being able to con like that's not I I personally think I don't think that's easy. Like you have to be able to connect with someone, meet them where they're at, acknowledge them, you know, and hear where they're coming from. Most people, you know, just like in the regular VR world, right? Hey, how you doing? Um, you know, how you doing today? Good. Oh, nice. What are you doing this weekend? Oh, XYZ. And then it's like over, right? It's just like, okay, now we go our own separate ways. But I think like taking it to that next level, like, nice, where you come, where you from, you know, what do you do for work? Why did you do why do you do that? You know, you know, what do you do for fun? You know, that's a great question for people, right? Um, you know, just just taking it to that that next level. And it's it's gonna be interesting to go in the future. Like people are gonna fiend for it. I think they're gonna be like, oh, uh, when your your kids are growing up, you're at a table at a restaurant. You're like, yeah, like look at this robot. Like, we actually believe it or not, like there was a purse that would drop off our food and take our order, you know, like it's just these little things that I think that we're really gonna miss and connect. Um, or we're are they or they'll still stay with us forever because again, we want that connection with people. Um, yeah. So, and then just also if you don't mind uh sharing too, uh Robin, like in like simple terms for someone out there that may be brand new, uh getting into Bitcoin right now, um, what what exactly is micro seed?

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Microseed is the last thing you need in self-custody, but a very essential thing that you need in self-custody. So when you think about where you keep your Bitcoin, there is the first option, you just keep it on exchange. I don't think it's a good option. I I wouldn't keep my Bitcoin on exchange for multiple reasons, but I keep it uh I keep it clean now and just say like don't keep it on exchange. It's dangerous, you can get hacked, the exchange can go bust, like there's a lot of different things uh that can go wrong. If you don't keep it on exchange, where do you keep them? Then we have to kind of answer this, answer the question where are Bitcoin? Like what what what is a Bitcoin? You cannot really keep a Bitcoin. Like we talk about like you store your Bitcoin on your hardware wallet and all of those things, but actually the Bitcoin is stored in the ledger, and all you have is a hardware wallet, which I like the name signing device more because all the hardware device is doing is signing a transaction. So basically, I currently don't have a hardware wallet uh next to me. Um, but like the hardware wallet is like the um the cold card, the treasure, the bed box. There are like so many, don't use a ledger. Uh there's so many out there that you can just like use and and uh create devices. Um I personally think cold card is an amazing device, but they are like it's not the only one that you can choose. There's also Seed Signer, amazing device, also for do-it-yourself. And those devices are just there where you input your key, and then with that device, you can sign the transaction, and then then transact then you can move your Bitcoin. It's basically like a mobile key for your Bitcoin. The Bitcoin are always not stored with you, but you can store, you can hold your own keys, and then with that key, you can sign the transaction and move your Bitcoin. Now, this device can break, this device can go bust, and all of those things. And so you need to back up this device. Because what happens if this device goes into water or like there's some some some kind of like uh accident happened with this device? So, what you do, you get those seed phrases, like I think mo people heard about that, and those seed phrases are 12 or 24 words, and with those 12 to 24 words, you can recreate the private key. The private key is just like a very long uh line of characters, and so nobody can remember that. But 12 to 24 words is a lot easier to remember and a lot easier to identify because if you think about writing that one long piece down, the private key, if you get one uh just letter wrong, the whole key is gone. Like you, you like the whole key is kind of invalid. So we came up with the seed phrase method. And so the seed phrase method is there are I don't I currently don't know how many uh words there actually are in this BIP39 list. There's this BIP39 list where all the words in there that you can possibly choose from in your seed phrase, and you can even uh dice it yourself, or the hardware wallet gives you uh the the words. But basically those 12 to 24 words are your private key. With that, you can access your Bitcoin, and that's a very important information because that's why you have to keep them very secure, those 12 to 24 words, and you have to uh find a place where nobody else can see them. So you don't want to lose them, but you also don't want to expose them to other people. So there's the first option that you can do is just write it down on paper. Now, why would you do why would you not do it that way? Paper is probably the worst possible thing you can do with your seed phrase. First off, paper is completely vanished if you just like trip a little bit of water or even worse, like a liquid, like a a juice or something like that on there, which easily can happen. Even if you have it uh somewhere secure, like paper is not a good thing to store long-term things on there because paper just like after sometimes rots, and like it if the water is coming in there, like paper is a horrible thing. And I heard I've heard multiple stories where uh someone just like stored it on paper, the partner came there, got the paper, and threw it away, and like the the seed first is gone. I heard multiple of those stories. Um because paper is like, yeah, like what is this paper? Like, uh, there's nothing written, like there's some words, like just like throw it away. Yeah, it's easily done, and there's multiple stories that that this actually happened to them. Now, you wanna write it on something that is stirable, so you want to write it on something that withstands fire and water and is not eroding away in like two years because it gets rusty or something like that. I personally love titanium. I think titanium is an amazing solution for that, and putting your seed press on titanium is the best possible thing. Now, what you can do is just go in a hardware store and buy a piece of titanium, like a like a blade of titanium. I don't know what it costs, but it probably costs like five, ten, fifteen bucks, maybe twenty, depending on how big and all of that. And you can just literally just use a screwdriver and like put your things in there, like your 12 words, just like rub it in there and it's on there. Like if if you don't want to spend a lot of money, just do that. Um, don't keep it on a paper. If you want to don't spend the money on a micro seed or like something else uh on other other devices, just like rub it in there. It's it's it's hard work and it's not that nice. And uh you have to go it do you you have to do deep because if you don't do it deep, like with fire and all of that, it can still erode away and you can still use it. What we did at MicroSeed, we thought about how can we make that process as easy as humanly possible. So we made that small device where uh you have uh wait, I'll just make that up for you guys. Where you have a small washer inside, and that washer is titanium. So this is just like a small, very, very tiny titanium blade. Yeah, here it is, and you can put that titaniblade in the base, and then you just screw it in there with the screw that is uh in the package, of course. And once it's screwed in there, uh like that, then you can put the table on top, you just put the letters, so like there's all those letters uh involved with it. This currently is the letter O. You can just put the letter in there, and you hammer on there like that, and then the letter O is on the washer, and then you just click one step further, and then you put the next letter in there. Next step further, next letter, and all of like just till you have all the words in there. We put two holes in there, so you have two lines, you have an outer line and an inner line, and so you put actually like 240 characters you can put on one washer, where 24 words put on uh are fitting in the hole on the whole washer back and forth, and there's still some space left over. Now you can go lower because you actually don't need all of the letters of every word. You can just go with the first four letters of each word and you can recreate the words later because there's a list and you only need the first four letters to actually recreate every word. Okay. So that's basically it what we did. Like you can just you can just like put it on there and like it's super easy. So what we are selling is a convenient, very nice and secure way to put your seed phrase on there. If you're very new and you have like, I don't know, a thousand dollars in Bitcoin, um, don't buy uh like$200,000,$300, depending on where you live, uh device to secure your Bitcoin. It's kind of like 30% of your whole all all of your stack. Just get a metal plate and use a screwdriver to like uh put it in somewhere on somewhere durable. If you have like$10,000 worth of Bitcoin,$100,000, a million, uh like then you really want to invest in something that's like easy to do. And especially like I invest a lot of money in different kinds of solutions, but this is nice because you only have to invest once money. So this thing, I still work with the first version of the micro seed. I didn't even upgrade to the second version. I'm I'm not using the the new version, I'm just you still using the first one because it's perfect. It it works really f well, and it will work probably all my life. I hope so. And uh you never need to buy any anything new with the other solutions for where you have the steel plates, you have to rebuy a steel plate if you want to not have a new wallet, a new kind of situation. So uh yeah, I think that that kind of sums it up what what Microsoft actually is.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:52

Nice. Well, thanks. Yeah, go ahead, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:54

No, I think it's awesome. And uh like Anthony had mentioned, uh, we're now that I'm more involved in what you know we're doing as a family, um I think this is gonna be super helpful um for us to be on the same page and make sure that I am aware of, you know, what is this seed phrase that you created back way back when when I was kind of like, yep, you got it. Yep, you know, you're you're good. Um and so I think, yeah, I think this is really helpful, especially I think we had mentioned like even inheritance-wise, you know, making sure that, you know, you have things in place so that way your family can access your Bitcoin, God forbid anything happens to you. Because for a while, I think people are like, Yeah, let's just go buy Bitcoin, and they're not really thinking full picture all the time. And they're, you know, not thinking, like, oh, how's my family gonna access all this hard work that I've been doing? You know, how am I gonna be able to, you know, get this money? And um, even that was some of my questions too. And as we've gotten more involved too, I think it's amazing. And it's such a great invention, so simple, like back to basics of like, okay, what could we do with our hands that can, you know, sustain. sustain you know many accidents that can possibly happen. And I've heard amazing things. I've heard that it's really actually cathartic to be able to like stamp in uh uh letters as you're like going through. And so I think I think it's gonna be a um it's really awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Yeah. It's quite addictive.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:19

Yeah, that's what I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

And then um also um you know Robin to kind of wrap things up a little bit I just wanted to uh one of the things that we like to do is we like to ask our guest um if someone's just getting into starting in a Bitcoin today and they're listening to this podcast uh what's something that they should really focus on well stack as hard as possible the the um this is the first thing that you should uh focus on and I mean that's kind of obvious um but this is the thing that people really should uh focus on um maybe maybe I'll I'll cheat and say three things because it's it's very important.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

The first thing is stack as hard as possible. The second thing is get educated as hard as possible because if you're not educated you will be just washed out in the first 50-60% correction bear market. And the third thing is really secure your Bitcoin properly because the hardest bear market is the one where you lose your Bitcoin. That's yeah that's the one where everyone else is celebrating and and you have to cry because you lost your Bitcoin. So those are the the three things that a new bitcoiner should really focus on stack as hard as possible DCA do your thing educate yourself and then know how to secure your seat for this as fast as possible.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Nice so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:44

Yeah that's really helpful is there any other you know advice that you would give to our listeners uh just briefly stay positive um it's and like be being humble and positive like the most successful people in the Bitcoin space are the ones that are positive and humble um I love bringing up Jeff Booth because I've never met a more humble guy that has all the reasons not to be humble um in my life. He like the person that you see in camera is the person that that you just like who who Chef Poof also is. He's a very humble guy a very down to earth guy. I absolutely love him and he's a great guy. But he is just a representative or great example of the most successful Bitcoiners are the ones that that stay down to earth, stay humble and are very optimistic and looking out in the world. It's it's just a very clear picture to me. Because I see I have I had now over 600 different people on my podcast. So I met a lot of different Bitcoiners and the Bitcoiners that resonate the most with the Bitcoin community the ones that get the highest average feudation on YouTube the ones that get the most clicks are actually correlating to be the nicest people to be the most humble people. Yeah there are a few popular people that are not as humble and not as nice uh especially behind the scenes but they have very few and most of them are extremely nice helpful and humble so um I don't know I could I could write a whole book on on on that because I've seen people how they act uh before and uh in front and behind the camera and uh it's it's huge the you see success in like how kind and humble someone is yeah yeah yeah jeff Jeff Booth I love Jeff Booth and his book was amazing in too and then every time he opts on a podcast it's always like like just so positive like he has the his outlook on life is like it's like we see a positive world and then Jeff Booth sees like the most positive world times times 10. No he he's great I hopefully we can get him one day on our podcast but um I really appreciate you uh Robin uh it's carving out time we know you're a busy person you're pumping out episodes you're doing your thing micro seed uh you know and like you said congratulations again on you know getting married in a few days oh thank you um you you got a lot going on um you know speaking at conferences so we appreciate this so much Robin uh and if you don't mind sharing where people could connect with you uh who don't already know you uh I I think you can just type my name wherever uh you find it uh wherever you want to connect uh find content but uh the more important message I want to leave people um you you guys Anthony and Danielle you guys really make great content and you're like a small up-and-coming podcast and I think especially uh for people that listen to that and really enjoy the conversation the most effective way the most effective thing that you can do to help Bitcoin if you don't have your own thing just like help them out do the thing that they are doing so sharing the episode uh spreading the word uh spreading the spreading the love around like in new up and coming like content creators and podcasters so if I leave with one thing is support this podcast and support the mission that they have in any way shape or form that you can possibly have I've got people that shared my podcast episode like the the early ones I even like got sapped in the early uh early times like here and there like$5 and I was like so pumped because I saw like wait real people sending me real money for the thing I'm doing that this just gives confirmation and so I think the confirmation kind of has to come from the audience to give you guys a little bit of the feedback loop. Yeah you're on the right track you're doing amazing things uh and it it can it can feel lonely I mean you guys are together and two people that's already amazing because you're not no longer just one person. If you're one person it's it's like twice as hard or I'm I would even say three times as hard to keep going and keep the ball rolling. And I remember the early days when it was just me for like one year and grinding it out it was hard. Like you you're like doing everything and you're like oh shit this didn't go well this is breaking down this is not going good and just like getting once a day or like once a week a message saying like hey I love your podcast keep doing what you're doing thank you so much for for for the work that you're putting in there this means everything. And so yeah it's great that we support Sailor and Chick Mars and Jeff Booth and all of those people but they get a lot of love. So if you listen to this give love to the small podcast uh and and and tell in the comments what you think about them and uh share it with with people uh you want that episode to reach.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Yeah thank you so much Robin those are such kind words we really appreciate it yeah that's our goal is just to be able to help other people get the word out and know that people just like them are navigating the Bitcoin space uh also and trying to figure it out as a couple and um wanting to figure it out as a couple so that way you know we can just have more unit uh that family unit come back uh to our world too so yeah we appreciate your time so much Robin and um yeah thank you thank you and congratulations we're so excited for your future too thank you I appreciate that absolutely all right everyone thank you so much for listening in to to the moon with the Lunas podcast and we look forward to connecting with most of you all right have a great day bye to the moon