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Bitcoin, AI & Financial Freedom | Sean Clarke
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Is Bitcoin just an investment, or is it the foundation for a more sovereign life?
In this episode of To the Moon with the Lunas, Anthony and Danielle Luna sit down with Sean Clarke entrepreneur, investor, pilot, and host of the G'Day Bitcoin Podcast to explore Bitcoin, self-custody, financial freedom, AI, entrepreneurship, and the future of money.
Sean shares why he moved from chasing crypto gains to becoming Bitcoin-only, how self-custody changed his perspective, and why Bitcoin's scarcity, sound money principles, and protection against inflation make it unlike any other asset. The conversation also covers Bitcoin adoption in Australia, government regulation, the history of money, proof of work, and why understanding Bitcoin requires curiosity and long-term thinking.
They also discuss how Bitcoin impacts family finances, relationships, and entrepreneurship, and why those who understand both Bitcoin and AI may have a significant advantage in the years ahead.
Whether you're new to Bitcoin or a longtime holder, this episode is packed with practical insights on self-custody, financial sovereignty, sound money, entrepreneurship, AI, and building long-term wealth.
Topics Covered:
Bitcoin vs. crypto
Why self-custody matters
Inflation and sound money
Bitcoin adoption in Australia
Family, freedom, and long-term thinking
Bitcoin + AI
Entrepreneurship and financial sovereignty
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It's the first form of like physical property in all of human history that's totally scarce. There's twenty one million, that's it. Like the only thing more scarce than one Bitcoin and self-custody is like each and every one of our individual lives. And yes, like you can use that to be able to create more abundance and stuff in the world, but there's like more babies and things like that happening. You can pass on your knowledge, you can share that with Bitcoin. 21 million, that's it. Like I don't know how many have been lost, four, five, six million, really. So maybe there's like 15 million Bitcoin. But it's just like a finite, scarce resource, but you can take complete control of it, and it turns into like that FU money where you become uncomfortable scatable when you do it properly. We have never had that opportunity before.
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SPEAKER_00If your seed phrase is still on paper, it's time to upgrade and take self-custody to the next level. Because not your keys, not your coins. Go to microseed.io and use code LUNALUNA for a discount. Or check the link in the description below. Welcome back, everyone, to To the Moon with the Lunas. The Bitcoin price is at 65,200. And today we're joined by Sean Clark, entrepreneur, investor, pilot, and host of the Good Day Bitcoin podcast. Sean has built multiple successful businesses and now helps entrepreneurs understand the intersection of Bitcoin, AI business, and personal sovereignty. We're excited to dive into his journey, his views on the future of money, and how Bitcoin is changing the way people build wealth, businesses, and freedom. Sean, welcome to the show. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03Thank you very much. Pleasure to be here. And I just brought up time chain calendar. We are at block height, 958,955. One Bitcoin. You did say 65k, but one coin being one Bitcoin, let's go. Let's go. Thanks for sharing that. I love it.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thank you so much, Sean. We appreciate you being with us, and it's going to be a great little chat we have planned. Um, but yeah, would you mind just sharing with our audience a little bit more about you and when you kind of first got introduced to Bitcoin?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. So I think 20, I don't know, 10 years ago or whatever, I was living with the mate down in Byron Bay, and he had just exited his internet business for millions of dollars at a very young age, he was 33 at the time. And I spent three and a half months with him. And so it was really cool being that close, you know, day in, day out with someone that made an extraordinary amount of fiat gains. And he was like onto his next thing and he started building. I don't really know what it was at that stage. He wasn't paying too much attention, but um he was building like applications on the web and stuff, and he started building on this cryptocurrency uh blockchain type thing. So like six years later, I uh messaged him and said, mate, I've got $400 here. Like literally, I just had $400 cash. And I'm like, what stock do I invest in? And he's like, oh, dude, I'm not into stocks. I'm like, what are you into? He's like, oh, I don't tell my friends because if they buy it and it goes wrong, then they're no longer friends. I'm like, dude, it's 400 bucks. I've always thinking I thought like fiat dollars or candy wrappers, toilet paper. I'm like, I'll flush it down the toilet if you don't tell me. I really literally don't care. It's $400. What's it gonna do? And um, he's like, Well, I'm not into stocks, I'm into crypto. I'm like, cool, like what do I buy? And he's like, look, do your own research, but I'm building on Holochain. Um, so went and went to the ATM instant deposit, put the cash in there, opened up a CoinSpot account, found out how to do that through Google and bought Holochain. A couple of weeks that did like a 10X, which was pretty cool. I was like, oh, that's pretty exciting. But I was watching it and I was like, what is cryptocurrency? And then Google spits out the first ever cryptocurrency is Bitcoin. I'm like, how much is one Bitcoin? Because back in 2013, I was standing on the back of the boat, it was working on cruise boats and things like that, and Bitcoin was $94 Australian. And I was like, I'm gonna buy Bitcoin this week, you know. Everyone started talking about everything like that, didn't just what I bought went up in smoke. Next week is $96 Australian, and uh, same deal, just wasted the money and didn't buy Bitcoin. So this was like 2017 onwards, and I looked at the price and it was $30,000 Australian. It's like, holy cow, this has gone up a 300x. Um, so really started like paying attention. I read all Andre Antonopoulos, started following Pomp, uh Anthony Pompolano, and like just started going down the rabbit hole. And within like that first two weeks of getting into I just think they're shit coins, all of them now, but crypto at the time realized Bitcoin was the money, hadn't discovered what these other things were. I thought they were like a new tech play, this exciting thing. And sure, like there's a handful of them building real-world solutions to real-world problems. Most of them are just vaporware, you know, they're just hopium. Um, so I figured out Bitcoin was the money. So every time I'd like a three or a five X would put it into Bitcoin. Um got like personally rug pulled by a founder with the project, and like this was a little while later. I was like, oh, everything else apart from Bitcoin, it's just a shitcoin, it's just a scam. I and at that moment I just sold everything, all my bags, put everything into Bitcoin, and I haven't looked back since. So that's sort of the the long and the short of it at the same time. Started started the channel sharing that journey, everything like that. And really, like I came into the space to make money, to change my life. I had a mission to, you know, hit that millionaire status, etc. And so I was like just all about the money. And then as you go like down this journey and stuff, you're like I wasn't even chasing money, I was just chasing these feat cuck bucks. And then you realize like Bitcoin's the money, and literally just stayed here for the revolution, and now the price, like you said it at the start, I'm like, fuck, I couldn't care. One Bitcoin's one Bitcoin. It's like the signal is block high at 958,955, and just every nine minutes, 36 seconds on average TikTok next block, we just get another one. And this thing's working perfect, perfect, perfectly. And it has for its whole time, you know, it's up times 99.999%, etc. And then like you look at what's happening with all like the social unrest, the excessive amount of money printing, everything like that. And now I'm just fucking one Bitcoin's one Bitcoin. Couldn't care. It's just opt out, fix the money, fix the world, like Lawrence Lapard, that book there, the big print. And Nico Moran says from Simply Bitcoin, Bitcoin's the separation of money for state. Um, that's my been my journey so far.
SPEAKER_01Awesome. That's awesome. Thanks for sharing. And I couldn't agree with you more, Sean. Uh, you know, the one Bitcoin equals one Bitcoin. Yeah. One reason why we love to throw the price on there is because it's gonna be super cool when we look down years down the road and we're like, I did this episode with Sean Clark and look at the price, you know. So it's more of like an indicator of just seeing how far we're gonna go with it, yeah, uh, with this bad boy. And then um, again, that's awesome, your story. And it's crazy. Like we all have to go through like the shit coins to get through to the real money, right? And I think where bear markets, uh, you know, because we're in a bear market, I love this market. Uh a lot of people are um, you know, have these altcoins or whatever it is, these shit coins. Uh, I think it actually converts into more Bitcoiners because then they're just like, oh, they I think they'll kind of see through the smoke. So these bear markets are good for these people in this space, you know, that are like still trying to do this this altcoin stuff. Um, yeah. So thanks for sharing that. And then going back to your podcast here. So what kind of like triggered you to start a Bitcoin podcast? Yep.
SPEAKER_03Um, so like even winding back before it was Get A Bitcoin. I was listening to uh a lot of Gary Vee, and this was around the time when I wanted to change my life, hit that status, etc. And he said it's not about who knows you or what you know anymore. It's not about who you know, and it's not about what you know, it's about who knows you. And the like everything you want is on the other side of somebody knowing your dreams. The best way to have that is to be able to build a personal brand. Best way to build a personal brand is through long-form content providing value. At that stage, you know, I wasn't very articulate, I wasn't confident on camera, I couldn't talk off the cuff. Uh, so I needed to be able to teach myself how to be able to communicate. And I thought, fuck it, like I'll just do it live, you know? And we just started the YouTube channel, started getting the talking head videos out there, going live, etc. And like I started talking about calisthenics as the thing that I was doing in my life at that stage, just gone through like all these different diet fads: pescatarian, paleo, vegetarian, Mediterranean, etc., keto. And then I've like sort of gone into, all right, like been playing around with the diet and going on to calisthenics. I just need something to be able to talk, yeah, be able to learn how to be able to talk and to be able to communicate. And then sort of not long into that journey, really focusing on the wealth side and like building up skills and everything happened. So just naturally went now, it's get a Bitcoin, Bitcoin only. Um, but that that was the journey initially was just to be able to build up that personal brand, everything like that. And it's just turned into this mission. I just want people to be free to be able to wake up and know there are possibilities when we step back outside this broken money system, and it's um, yeah, and again, like I couldn't care about the price. So it like nobody's gonna look back, and like you're saying, like 65,000 is sort of the highest it's been in quite a while now. When it's at 650,000 or 6.5 million or whatever, no one's gonna be like, oh, I bought it at 65 and it went down to 58k, like, oh my god, that's the worst thing ever. So I was just trying to share that message that all we need to do is just buy, stack, and chill, which is get Bitcoin, DCA, weekly, monthly, daily, whatever your pay cycle is, stack, get into self-casty, like learn the proper tools to be able to do that, then it becomes FU money. And then the chillers go out there and stack skills and then to be able to provide value so that you can keep improving your life and other people's lives and like pay it forward. So that's really like what's allowed me to keep pushing through and doing it, you know? It's a bigger purpose, bigger mission.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. And you know, you just kind of showed right now, you obviously believe that Bitcoin is way bigger than the price. Um, what are some hidden benefits of Bitcoin that most people don't discover until they spent years studying it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. That it's the the first form of like physical property in all of human history that's totally scarce. There's 21 million, that's it. Like the only thing more scarce than one Bitcoin and self-custody is like each and every one of our individual lives. And yes, like you can use that to be able to create more abundance and stuff in the world, but there's like more babies and things like that happening. You can pass on your knowledge, you can share that with Bitcoin. It's 21 million, that's it. Like, I don't know how many have been lost, four, five, six million, really. So maybe there's like 15 million Bitcoin, but it's just like a finite, scarce resource, but you can take complete control of it, and it turns into like that FU money where you become uncomfortable when you do it properly. We have never had that opportunity before. Like the closest was physical gold buried up a mountain somewhere, yeah. Like and that's the closest, you know. But then you have the risk of somebody like going for a trek, seeing that there's soft dirt or whatever, and then you know, going on there or a metal detector, finding it where Bitcoin, because it's just information, ones and zeros, it's protected by code and it lives everywhere and nowhere, and you can geographically distribute your keys. Like when you start going down those things, like down those paths, you're like, wow, this is really revolutionary, or for people in like war-torn countries. Yeah, if if they've got Bitcoin, very hard to be able to get gold across the border, but they can remember 12 or 24 words in their head. They could stamp it onto something like the micro seed and put it on like a nylon washer, like x-rays, body scanners, three millillimeter um like wave scanners and things like that. Like it can get around all of those. And so it's like the intersectional, like the best technology ever, with being like the hardest form of money ever, and it's accessible to everyone, and you need no permission. Like, we've got huge issues with our banking system. Government wants to turn our retirement scheme into a national asset, which is scary as if you've got Bitcoin in self-custody, they can't manipulate it, they can't debase it, they can't screw with it in any way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's so good.
SPEAKER_01It's so funny that you mentioned about the banks, right? Because I saw your episode uh fuck the banks, and man, tell me how much you love banks. Tell me, Sean. Oh, fuck.
SPEAKER_03Just like every single freaking day, man, there's always just an issue. Someone's like, so say for me, love Bitcoin. Everything's Bitcoin, you know. You know, on my airplane, I got a bloody Bitcoin sticker. There's Bitcoin everywhere. Bitcoin's been the first word or symbol that I've seen every single day for the last six plus years, whether it's on a house in my hallway, like it's the first thing that I read. And because I believe it's so important, it's such a unique tool. But anyway, long story short, I've got the word Satoshi in my company name. The banks have linked Satoshi to Bitcoin with my company. I'm not helping people buy or sell Bitcoin. Amber at the Bitcoin way they can help, and I can definitely put people onto that area. But I'm just teaching them skills mainly around personal branding, AI. Banks, they don't care. They don't care what I'm doing. I'm just providing a valid service. People want to be able to pay me with what they think is their money. They'll try put it across. And the bank's like, no, this guy's affiliated with Bitcoin. We're not allowing you to use your money to buy something willingly to be able to do that. That's one issue, and that's with my company bank account. So I've had it all the time, talk to ANZ, Westpac, fraud departments and stuff, been like, hey, I've got a client here, and it they've said that you've blocked their payment. And just like the the fuck arounds doing that, whereas if they had Bitcoin self-custody, they paid me in Bitcoin, they don't need anyone's permission. The bank can't say no. Um, so that's like the company side of things. But personally, I've had seven bank accounts, some with the same bank, like shut down, blocked for 24 hours, totally cancelled, like all my accounts blocked, all the like direct debt debits that come out for subscription software services, everything like that, all the time. Like there's one bank twice in 24 hours. They blocked it, cancelled all my cards, everything like that. I'm like, if you do this again, I'm just taking everything with us, you know. I try not to leave too much fear in the bank account, you know, it's only insured up to 250,000 in Australia. So it doesn't make much sense to have much more there. But like you want to be able to have a bit of a runway to like we've got high overhead expenses with staff, everything like that. You do need to have a little bit of cash. Right. But any more than what's necessary? I'm like, no, no way. And it's just happening more and more. Like I just did a live earlier today, uh, 21st uh January time recording. And Will has got like uh Bitcoin mining store Australia, so he helps people purchase Bitcoin miners, set it up. He helps people secure a hundred million dollars in Bitcoin mining hardware. ANZ, one of our top four banks, is like, sorry, due to your risk um profile, we can't allow you to bank with us anymore. He's never had any callbacks, chargebacks, any issues, no fraud, anything like that. But because he's just associated with the the Bitcoin ecosystem, they're like, ah, competition, let's cut this out, you know?
SPEAKER_01It's wild.
SPEAKER_03That's been nice.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We're not playing through their like guardrails. It's just like they're just trying to handcuff us every way possible. And what's crazy is that people just allow this, nobody like understands like what's going on, and that they're just trying to control everything that they do. We're playing this game, and everyone's just like participating. And it's just like we live in like a world like a don't don't trust verify, but everyone's just trusting these banks, yeah, and thinking that they want the good for them and the you know, and like they care for them, and like, oh well, you know, I get to vote and I vote for this person, and he's looking out for my best interests. They have no idea what's going on, like no idea. Like they're just slowly creeping in, creeping in, creeping in, and just putting the chokehold on them. Um, you know, I like to call it modern chains, Neil Flusher, but he had a great book called Modern Chains, and it just describes how they're all just like slowly just creeping in. And we have these handcuffs, just because they're not physical, you know, it's a debt, it's a debt-based handcuffs, right? And so it's just it's just interesting.
SPEAKER_00And I as I've come in later on, you know, he kind of led the way with Bitcoin for our family, and I was again just trying to navigate things, and I I was in modern chains, right? Like I was like, oh, the uh the money's the bank's gonna take care of this, you know, all of these things. And then when he was when I finally was able to really comprehend what was going on, and after he was sharing things, and then even more so when we started our podcast also talking to more Bitcoiners, I was like, wow, like we're I I'm so glad I'm in this conversation so that uh now I can really unlearn what I we've been taught our whole life, you know? And it's not our I mean, our parents did what they thought was right, right, by teaching us these things. The system did exactly what it was supposed to do, you know, it's doing exactly what it's intended to do, but it is wild to see there's it's just really crazy when you go down that rabbit hole, you start going, holy crap, like what's going on here, you know? So I found it very, very interesting on my end for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh Sean, so well, what was like the biggest shift for you? Uh, you know, because once you see it, once you see Bitcoin, you go down the rabbit hole, you can't unsee it. You know, so what was the the biggest mindset shift for you? And like, what do you think understanding money is so important today? Um, you know, and why are people not understanding it?
SPEAKER_03Because they won't read the book. Like if you haven't already, just read the big print. Uh like it requires serious effort, and to be able to put energy into anything, it requires time, capability, resources, etc. Everyone is so busy, like trying this into the broken money system. If you had $100 or $100,000 in an Australian bank account six years ago, you've still got the same. Maybe you've earned, I don't know, 10 cents in interest, probably not. But anyway, say whatever you've earned plus a little bit of interest. That $100,000 has lost 60% of its value over the last six years. So you're buying $40,000 worth of stuff. People are trying to save for their retirements, they're just trying to be able to get ahead. But unless they're working like more than twice as hard as what they were, or they're put providing twice the amount of value out to the world, they're literally getting like pulled further and further behind, which means they need to run harder and harder and faster and quicker, which creates more stress. And like when we're stressed, cognitively we're overloaded. And it stops allowing us to be able to think properly and like through these big concepts. Bitcoin takes it takes like a hundred hours to then want to be able to put in a thousand hours. And if you put in a thousand hours of Bitcoin, you're like, okay, I get this, but because it is so big and it goes back to like the creation of the Fed and like hard money and why, like when we were on the gold standards better, but it wasn't perfect, and then how Bitcoin's improved on that, etc. Like, these are very big ideas, and they take a lot of time, a lot of effort, but more so like a lot of mental bandwidth to be able to understand. Yeah, they just don't have I I do believe people have the capability to be able to do it. Like for four years, I had four to six hours sleep and working a full-time job, doing the YouTube, launching one or two businesses on the site as well. Like, there is always more time, but they're just so overloaded and stuff, they'll work their eight-hour job and then they just need their dopamine fix, you know, and they'll just go onto Netflix or they'll doom scroll on Instagram or or whatever, and then they've got absolutely nothing left. They're totally depleted. And somebody will come across who will be like, Fuck, have you gotten Bitcoin or whatever? And then they'll be like, Oh, I was watching the news and Bitcoin went from 127 down to $58,000. You know, it's a failed experiment or whatever, and you're like, Yes, okay, but over time it's compounding a 30% annual growth rate. It's not about trying to time this market, it's time in the market. It's too much for them because they've got all these other things going on. I just need to be able to pay my bills or whatever. I can't handle a 50% drawdown, or I'm just trying to get the kids to school, or blah, blah, blah. I'm looking for a second job. And that's why I think it's so hard, is because it requires time, it requires effort, proof of work, energy, a major commitment to be able to do it. You need to be willing to be able to do it. And when people are like just stressed, they're struggling, they're overloaded, obviously, yes, if they. Did do that, their life will change over a short couple of months, years, etc. It'll just keep getting better. But they they can't see that doing it, you know? And then they'll look at people like yourselves or whatever, you're like, Oh, you got Bitcoin cheaper? Like, lucky for you. You just got lucky, but they don't understand that you're also buying the highs.
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly. Exactly. And going back to what you were talking about, right? It takes the mental bandwidth for them to understand that they're stuck in the route race. So, how do you see this as adoption? Like, is this gonna slow down adoption? Is this gonna increase adoption? We'll use five, 10-year span. How do you see this happening? Because again, people are not understanding it. Um, I don't know how they're not understanding. We're getting robbed every day from the money printer. I just I just don't understand how you don't look for other solutions. What's your take on this?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So I've been saying very publicly, Anthony, that over the next say 12 months, I started saying this, and I said you've got like 24 to 36 months to be able to get Bitcoin in self-custody if you're living in Australia before the government and the banks make it very, very hard. I think at that stage, what happens, and this is just a projection, and there's actually no downside to me thinking it along these lines, but I think we've sort of got 12 to 24 months left. That timeline is playing out, and the government's clamping down more and more and more, and the bank's making it more and more difficult. I believe when that moment happens where the banks won't allow you to send it to an exchange, or that you can still send it to exchange, but you can't actually take them into self-custody. I still believe like the banks will let you buy it through like the Bitcoin ETF, everything like that, but they will hold the keys to it. So you're exposed to number go up and everything like that. And by the time like all those regulations and guardrails, I'm just talking specifically in Australia, but place like the Canada, the UK as well, you know, we're sort of just marching together into this totalitarian communistic crap. And lockstep, it's amazing, like the scripts coming out. But I believe sort of what happened in China is when China banned Bitcoin, adoption and self-custody, it didn't go down. People found other ways to be able to do it. Now, when Satoshi Nakamoto wrote the Bitcoin white paper, what did he call Bitcoin? A peer-to-peer electronic cash. So I think at that stage where the banks get really desperate, if Anthony Albanizio, the Prime Minister of Australia, maybe not our Prime Minister, comes in for people's um retirement accounts, they're super, if they have another big print, you know, which I very much believe with Lawrence Lapard's thesis, then people are on like a need-to-know basis and desperate times call for desperate message, and people will be like, fuck, I've no other option. I need to be able to find out how to do this. Yes. So for like the the people still asleep buying the government propaganda, rhetoric, etc., they're screwed, in my opinion, and they're just going to end up continuing to stay a feature slave stuck in the shackles. And unfortunately, we've always had slaves in one form or another, and it's horrible because people literally, like the keys hanging in front of them, they could do something now, they could get Bitcoin into self-custody now. And if they did that, and this happens, but they've got Bitcoin self-custody, zero downside. You've got Bitcoin in self-custody. If this dystopian image that I'm painting doesn't play out and you can still keep buying it against self-custody, still no downside to Bitcoin and self-custody. But there will be a few people that just at the moment are not paying attention to Bitcoin. And when that moment happens, they will come up with creative resources like Bitcoin as a whole and the technology and with AI and everything else like that. Like there's Pete, Bitcoin is a sense satellites up into space, for example. Like if the network goes down or the internet goes down to be able to keep the network going, there will be cipher for punks and people really invested to be able to find ways. Maybe there'll be more Bitcoin meetups, more peer-to-peer networking. And I think at that stage, then it'll come back to like growing from the ground up because at the moment it's like very much ETS, micro strategy, shit coins on bitcoins, like all that financial games and stuff. Yeah. I think they'll play around with that, try trap people there. But once they stop that easy access to Bitcoin and self-custody, they'll be people start asking questions. Oh, why don't they let me have Bitcoin and self-custody? And they start doing the research. Oh, it's very powerful. I'm gonna find any freaking way to be able to do it. And then we'll have like more nodes, like more people on the network that start to have these conversations. But I think Australia at the moment, even though they've lost 60% of their purchasing power over the last six years, even though houses like our house has gone up three and a half times over the last 10 years, etc., they've still got it pretty easy. You know, like they're not in enough pain to really, really take action, which is crazy, which is bizarre. It's um so I think it'll get real hard for people for a little while. And then I think Bitcoin's unstoppable. You you can't stop, and exactly what happened in China, there was more adoption, more Bitcoin and self-custody. People start mining it, demanding to be paid in it, and then Bitcoin will be as it needs to be. And at that same time, I think the financial, industrial, military complex will still incorporate and keep it there and try to distract people, but I think we'll have enough people waking up, you know, and there's a reason that you guys do the podcast, I do the podcast. Anyone that's spent a little bit of time and effort and energy just wants to like be like, wake up, come on, like let's go, like do this, you know. And I think as other people are hurting and stuff, and especially people in the fiat sense that are real high net worth individuals that have the voices and everything like that will start getting that message out there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, oh gosh, that's so good. And I I appreciate you kind of sharing that because I feel like it's been it feels like a a slow, you know, drip of the government trying to take control, right? But it hasn't been. It's been pretty quick for six years, like you were saying in Australia. Six years is quick. I mean, we had we had our first daughter six years ago, and she's six, you know, and that feels like yesterday. So it's very interesting that we feel like, oh, it's it's gonna take time, it's gonna take time. Time is going by so fast, like you have to be thinking for your for your future. And I think that's such a uh important thing for people to understand. And you know, speaking of kind of the money system, I think it's also really important for people to understand the history of money. Um, and so why do you feel like understanding money is so important for people to really finally understand, you know, Bitcoin today?
SPEAKER_03I think probably one of the best ways to understand it, which isn't a direct answer to the question, is reading that book, The Creature from Jekyll Island. Um also confessions of an economic hitman. I think they're really good that paint the picture. But the reason why it's so important is it just wakes you up to the dream that ever everyone is in, like the the lie. The word fear, like when we're talking about cash, what people think is money, it means decree. It's only valuable because somebody said it is. But once you study it and you realize this is all made up, this fighters, this is just smoke and mirrors, this shiny object syndrome, people are like, oh shit, what's actually valuable? My time, what's gonna protect my time? Code, you know? And that's um Bitcoin.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And just kind of going back to it a little bit, so you're thinking, if I'm understanding you correctly, so with this time frame of 12, 24 months, um, that it's gonna happen quickly where people are gonna kind of get a grip, they're gonna be like, Well, I need to pivot and figure things out.
SPEAKER_03The government's gonna stop self-custody in the next 12 to 24 months. Okay. And then it'll be a period sort of from there, so from two to ten years before people like really start waking up. So over the 10-year period, that's how I think like real world more adoption happens. Okay. And people would just be like, fuck these people. We didn't vote for them, you know, or we did vote for them, but they lied to us and they didn't like they said, Oh, we're not gonna change this, etc., which is what our prime minister did, came in and then did what he said he wouldn't do. When he said 50 times he wouldn't do it, I think people would be like, Oh, actually, fuck this, like we need change to be able to do it. And people are gonna rise up, and that is gonna come because they're in more pain. Like, I think that there's more pain first, but like everything, we'll we'll we'll swing like a pendulum.
SPEAKER_01Gotcha. And then also going back to, I know you mentioned uh Sailor and you know these these Bitcoin treasury companies, uh, these financial instruments that he's leveraging to buy more Bitcoin. Um, what are your thoughts on this? I I get mixed signals from all types of Bitcoiners, whether it's a good thing, whether it's a bad thing. Um, because me personally, real quick, I honestly think like, hey, do you figure out different ways to get more Bitcoin, whether it's leveraged, you know, this fiat system. Um, you know, I'm never gonna tell them what don't do that. For me personally, I think Bitcoin and self-custody is the best way. Like, you know, um, I know we all know where it's going, so why would I fight against it, right? Why don't I just go put my Bitcoin in cold storage and go live my life? And so I love to hear your take because I've heard you know on both sides of the fence, and you know, if you could just share with that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, ladies and gentlemen, your money, your choice, do as do as you will. For me, Bitcoin and self-custody is money. Buying micro strategy is not money. So that's like an investment or a tech play or a financial engineering play. Like first to give him credit, Sailor's been an amazing advocate and Orange peeled like a lot of nation states, a lot of high net worth individuals. Really like coming with that corporate speak and being so ahead, like his book, The Mobile Wave and stuff, like really calling these things so early. He has been a great person educating the space, getting that Bitcoin out there, never sell your Bitcoin. He's obviously walked back on that a little bit, but like those initial messagings and things like that, really, I think good for the space to get people to be paying attention to this magic internet money. And I say that in the positive sense, it's amazing magic internet money, like holding it for a while, look what it does to your life. It's incredible. Fucking knee best, absolute magic. But so then when they hear all that and then they see him offering like a stock MSTR or whatever, there's a little bit of a psyop going on, in my opinion. What I would rather do is do what he's doing. He's trying to get as much Bitcoin in self-custody under his control as possible. So I want to copy that playbook, and that's what he's doing, you you know, to be able to have huge amounts of economic power, voting rights, etc. Like with the the fiat industrial complex and stuff, he who has the most Bitcoin wins, like who he who has the most gold used to. That's the way that I approach it. There are people, yeah, like there's so many different ways. Like the the money printer and the dead and everything's growing and growing and growing. So that's going to go into different things, but simply there's just more money out there. So like just open your arms and like catch a little bit of it and then put into something that's finite. Bitcoin. If people want to go out there and they want to trade to be able to do that, do that. But it's like anything. You really should have a mindset that it's like a four-year apprenticeship, probably lose money for the next four years learning how to invest to be able to trade, to be able to time. Maybe you get lucky. You know, it certainly does happen. But like for the average person, probably not. And then if you spend the next four years trying to trade MSTR or fucking any of them, or if you pick the wrong one, like NACAR, it's down 99.whate percent, like you can really get screwed. But you're missing this window, and especially here in Australia, where I believe time is running out to easily get Bitcoin into self-custy, probably would have been better instead of learning to be able to trade and invest and do all that stuff for a payout in four years' time. It's just continue to stack the skills, stack the sets at the moment, get the Bitcoin into self-custody, but then stack other skills alongside to be able to go out and provide more value to the world so that you can keep doing that. And then when you are in four years, you've got the Bitcoin in self-custody, but you've also got the skills so that you can go out with the product, servicing, and offering whatever is going to provide value, that's how we get paid. People pay you, you're already in the habit of saving and in Bitcoin. And your mental bandwidth is Bitcoin's just savings, it's just buy stack and and chill. Like it's that easy where it's investment and nav and like all this other stuff, where I need to watch like the shareholder meeting, or I need to like watch in the markets, or if Trump says this or that or whatever, or the US government comes in, can they confiscate it? Like, there's so much to be able to think through and know. And then again, there's like a person or a group of people or a board in charge, and they can just change the rules like that all the time. And so the coming back to like the cognitive energy and like our ability to be able to think and move forward in life is constantly being pulled in all these different directions. That's why I believe just Bitcoin self-cuss you, like keep it simple, stupid. Like if you want to get fancy, maybe a little bit of a bag, or just have the mentality, I'll commit to this for two years or four years, or whatever like your thing is, and I'm willing to be able to lose. If you have that mindset, maybe you get lucky, maybe you do it earlier, maybe you're a genius doing it. But everything you know requires effort to be able to upgrade ourselves, and it's like a skill, it's a real profession traders, and you're going against Wall Street and like the best Wall Streeters programming the greatest AI bots, trading bots in the world. Like that's your competition. Do you really have an edge?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then I totally agree with you. And then and what's so even great about Bitcoin, like there's a laundry list of great things about Bitcoin, but like it's literally for the person that's just doing their regular job, doing their regular thing, but not trying to trade, not trying to figure this out. Uh, even maybe if you're again you're working two jobs, right? Which is crazy because you can work two jobs now and you're like not even getting ahead. Yeah. But that for that person that could just go ahead and just put Bitcoin and Cold Sware. It's so simple, it's almost like too good to be true. And when they always say that phrase, like, oh, it's this is just too good to be true, like, no way it's that simple. It's like it's literally like one of those things once you do the research and you study and you go down the rabbit hole, it's literally that good. Like this was literally meant for the person that's just grinding every day, that can't get ahead, that's trying to just do the right thing, but it just um, you know, losing to all of these stock traders, politicians, money printer, etc. Right. Um, so no, thanks for sharing that. I really appreciate that. I know you talk a lot about Australia, what's going on there? Like, so what is the future, real quickly? Like, do you see yourself living there forever? I know you got a plane, like you can hop on and just you can just take off. So, what's the plan here with that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's always parks with full fuel, um, and it's pretty capable. Uh, it's very quick. So if anything needed to happen, but truly, like Australia is it's God's country, it's absolutely amazing. We're not gonna let these fucking pricks like they're so fucking corrupt, but there is just so few of them. Like, how the fuck can these dickheads destroy such a good country? So, yes, I've got a plan B and I've got optionality to just be able to get up and go, but I don't want to. This is my home. This is the country that I love. Like we're looking out at islands and deep blue sea, and there's coral reef and everything like that, and you've got the rainforest and you've got the desert and the people. Um, we've got so many different types of rainforests, and just the the culture, the the resources, everything like that. Also, like I do feel like we've gone so far to the left and so far towards socialism, which is moving towards communism. I think Australians are getting pretty fucking fed up. I think we need to start moving back. And I want to be here for that, and I want to be able to be a part of that. Um, but there's also other options as well. Like, Australia is a big country, I don't live in the cities or anything like that's where a lot of the nonsense and the mind viruses and everything goes on by excluding it. Like, if I wasn't so like online all the time and invested in Bitcoin and watching the news and like how this affects finance and everything like that, if I was just to go about my day, go to the gym, have a swim, do my qi gong, go up for a flow, whatever, go to the shops, go to a cafe, life is amazing. Life is great, the conversations are great, everyone's pretty happy. Um, and so like there is also a way just to be able to blanket out. And we had a um show on Unemployable, Australia's fastest and biggest growing uh business entrepreneurial ship podcast, Unemployable Media, and Adam Hudson, the host, was like saying, like, you guys are just so chill. And like about the banks and like all the totalitarianism and stuff. I fucking got Bitcoin self-custing. Like, what is there actually to be able to worry about, you know? Yeah. I can still go to my local farmer and buy some steak. I can still trade and stuff. Like I have that peer-to-peer electronic cash. So maybe that's like rose-colored glasses, maybe I'm a little bit optimistic or whatever, but you know, nothing's ever as bad as what it seems, but it's also never as great as what it um seems. And I think over time, surely, surely, surely, like they can't fucking burn this country into the ground. I I'd much rather see them be burned into the ground. And I think Australians are starting to push back, get get fed up with their nonsense. And if you know it turns into a civil war and things like that, because they're trying, like, with the the race or Muslim versus Christian, etc., white versus brown skin, like they're trying the the media's trying to stir all this shit. Because then they can come in, problem reaction, solution, more control, more dystopian laws. If it goes to shit, then I can just exit. But like it's not a it's possible. Like I've got that option, but it's not a thought, you know. Like my thought is to be here. It's fucking amazing. Like, fuck fuck some stupid corrupt dipwit that people voted as our prime minister, pushing us out of our own country. Fuck off.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, exactly. And you know what's funny is like that same game plan is in every country. Yeah, it's here too. It's it's crazy. Like that same corruption, it's like they all huddle up and they just talk about this dumb shit, this dumb plan that they're trying to do. You know, we will we will have less and uh be happy, right? We will own nothing. Own nothing and be happy. Yeah, fuck them. Uh man, you got me cussing on here. I love that shit. I love that shit, Sean.
SPEAKER_03Um somebody messaged me the other day just on cussing, totally irrelevant. But they're like, maybe you should try, and it's about that banks. Fuck the banks. They're like, oh, maybe you should try swearing a little bit less. I'm like, I actually do try swear a lot less, but I'm like, fuck them. Like they can fuck off. I I I I don't care. You know, like who's gonna sense me? I've got fuck you money. Like, who was to tell me that I can't swear? But I do consciously work on it, but it's with um passion. I think the word fuck, like I don't use the C word. Um, I I've used it once like in short memory that I can remember, and I was like, oh my god, I said that, and it was about Anthony Albanese, our prime minister. But like fuck, it's an amazing, white amazing word, you know, especially when it comes to the fuckers, but also how fucking great Bitcoin is. And I'm like, Yeah, it is what it is, you know. Don't be so sensitive if you don't like it. I'm sorry, like um, yeah, don't listen to all of that. We love it, we love it. We love it. You know, not gonna come across my head down, oh maybe you should get Bitcoin and self-custody. Like, get fucking Bitcoin and self-custody before these fuckers decimate you and you're a feared slave for the rest of your life. Like, I don't want that for anyone. Fuck that. Fuck that. Like, we've gone past being just nice and timid and chill. That's the issue. Like, everyone's like, you can't say that. Fuck off.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. And I knew I was like, you know, I wanted this, I wanted you to go crazy like this. So this is perfect. Thanks, Sean. I wanted you. I was like, dude.
SPEAKER_00He really pushed you there, Sean. He was like, let's just keep this going.
SPEAKER_01No, I love it. I love it. And uh, so uh don't trust, verify is one of Bitcoin's core principles. How has that philosophy changed the way you make decisions, not just with Bitcoin, but in business, relationships, and everyday life?
SPEAKER_03Yep. One way to be able to paint this picture, which I thought is pretty cool. So, like my last mastermind, run one main session per month, 12 months, it's full. But um in that session, we're talking about like a use AI. I I've used it to transform my life, my business, everything like that. But when you're talking to AI and you ask it a question, especially especially, especially, especially Chat GPT, you'll ask it a question, it's so positive and it's so sure, and it'll like fire back an answer within seconds, and it'll most of the time tell you what it thinks you want to be able to hear. Don't trust verify, and you go back and push. Like, what's the source for that? Where are you getting this information from? And then like it provides sources going into the source, and it's like, okay, like you've given me this as a source, but where within the source document is that actually? And then when it comes to like the the level of different sources, is that a verified source? Is it a peer reviewed article, or is it just somebody's opinion piece? Is it coming from X? It's probably not a real good source to be able to use for like factual information. So, like pushing back on that. But it's like everything, like when it comes to don't trust, verify. I've started uh bringing in a couple more things, but I was strict carnivore for two years, like in six plus kilos of steak per week. Somebody said, like, hey, carnivore's the best diet ever. I I could just be like, okay, trust, and then continue on with my day. It's like, yeah. Oh, fuck that. Don't trust, verify. Like, actually eat, meat, Bitcoin, repeat. Just keep putting on the proof of work, doing the actual thing. Or like finding where it actually came from. It's like research, you want to be able to triangulate your data. Yes, there's this point. Does it also line up with everything else? If there's something contradicting it, well, then that thesis falls flat, for example. Um, so I think just applying it to absolutely everything. When it comes to relationships, for example, if I trusted my wife, so there's really no issue there, but more so like the don't don't trust verify also leads into like the proof of work. And when I was younger, I was I was not really emotionally stable, but I just wasn't in touch with my emotions. So I I remember ex-girlfriend standing at the end of the bed in a very pretty dress, screaming and yelling and crying at me for no, I don't know what. Like I was just so checked up, got up and like walked away from it because I don't want to deal with what was hard. I didn't want to put in the proof of work. In contrast, that's now a difficult conversation with my wife or a business partner or employee or anyone within anything, because I've gone through, I've worked through all that, I've put in that proof of work, and now I've done that. I can be present, I can be there, and like continue to be able to go through. And I know that's don't trust verify, but that also leads you putting in the proof of work. And like when we do what is hard, our life will be easy. And it's like that ethos of Bitcoin, because it's set rules, no rulers, etc., like it's just so absolute. It's such a fantastic, amazing foundation to base your life on, because like we're exchanging our our time and effort and energy, our life force, our chi for this money, and it's broken. Whereas if we come onto the hard money standard, like the fair money standard, the truthful money standard, which is Bitcoin, then we're aligning our body and our life and our energy, that cosmicness with with truth, but like a very solid foundation that it's not like wishy-washy or whatever, and then you can really build from from there. So hopefully that answers the question on a couple of tangents.
SPEAKER_01Uh that definitely answered it. That was great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I think that's really helpful because I think I was I'm like I've said, I I trusted and I was like, you know, I'm going through the system, I'm going navigating it, and this is my life now, you know. And so thankfully, uh, you know, I have my husband here who was awesome and went down the rabbit hole and helped, you know, all of us, you know, how long did it take for you to get orange peeled? You know, it took didn't I trusted him so much that I was like, because we had two young kids at the time when he started getting into this. And so, like, you were talking about that stressor of your mental load, right? I couldn't, I there was no way I was about to absorb uh you know, Bitcoin. I was like, what are you talking about right now? Like I literally thought Bitcoin was this coin, right? Like I was like, what are you talking about? You know, I thought it was like a physical thing. And so probably, I mean, within months, I, you know, when I finally was able to actually, you know, comprehend what was going on, came out of the, you know, the forest of life. And I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, this makes sense now, you know. And again, it's every day I'm learning something. You know, every day I I'm sure you're still learning things, you know, and you're now, you know, you have to be a lifelong learner. It's what I always feel. Um, and it's a privilege to be able to learn something new. It really didn't take long because it all made sense once it was shared with me at kindergarten level, and then we pulled back another label, you know, we just started really figuring it all out.
SPEAKER_01And then I was like, you know what, we need to do this Bitcoin podcast because I was just throwing up on her. And like I I always think that Bitcoin, Bitcoiners, there's always like there's always like a spouse that's just like kind of leading the way and leading the charge, right? And then there's always someone in the background where you're just like, ah, stop, like, or like, I don't know what this is, or you know, or they're just kind of like trusting you. And then I was like, I'm a huge believer, Sean, and like doing things with your spouse, right? I feel like most people live in a long distance relationship under the same roof, right? They go their separate ways for eight plus hours. And what I thought was like, you know, doing stuff with my wife, whether it's like working out, running a business, doing a podcast, I was like, we need to do something together. And instead of me throwing up on her, I'll like, I don't have Sean throw up on her, you know, I don't have Chris Johnson throw up on her. I don't have all these other people throw up on her and just get a different perspective, a different angle. Maybe like they share something differently than the way I do it. Um, because I was I was just obsessed with it. I was just like, oh man, like I love this, or like you gotta listen to this person, you gotta and then I was like, you know what, screw it, let's just do a podcast together and it it'll be fun. And and then along the way, she'll learn. And then what's even better is that our kids will be able to watch this when they get older, and then also we get to re-watch this. We get to re-yeah, exactly. They're gonna be like, dude, you did an episode with Shawnee's just cussing at you guys. I was like, I know, I know, I love it, I love it. And you told me also swear, Daddy. Yeah, the um, so it's cool because then what's something that that really kind of just stuck is that we get to rewatch these episodes and then we'll like pick up stuff that we missed, and I love that. And then I'm like, okay, cool, like that was really cool. Um, yeah, so we we yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00I was gonna say to add to that too, I think it's it's not rare, but you would like to know what's going on financially together, right? And I think that's an important thing for people to see because especially with Bitcoin, he's in, you know, we're working towards the same goal. How am I not gonna know where this money is going? And we're apparently I'm just not that I didn't trust him, but I want to know in case, God forbid, anything happens to him. Right? So, like, well, I can't just be like, here's all, you know, here's all of our finances, and here I'm just gonna let you figure it out. Yeah, I had to be responsible, right? It's an it's an irresponsible thing if you're a partner and your partner's in Bitcoin and you don't understand it. I feel like I I do feel that way. I feel like, what are you doing? Like you have to at least have a basic level understanding and also what's our seed for you know, like let's let's what's our seed phrase? What's how how do I access this? If God forbid anything happens, how do I, you know, how do I put money into, you know, the the platform, all of that. So I was it was it was something that was really important for me to be able to understand, but I felt like w if we were doing this podcast, I would like for people to understand that it's an it's a responsibility when you're in a marriage to or in a partnership of any kind to be able to understand what Bitcoin is, you know. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00100% Go ahead, go ahead, John.
SPEAKER_03Just on that point, because Bitcoin is volatile like in the short term, like it is sort of down 50% from the all-time high. If there's only one partner that understands it, and they hear in the news or whatever, Bitcoin's down 50%, they'll be like, What the fuck did you do? This is your life savings, I hate you, blah, blah, blah. And financial pressure is the biggest reason for divorce and domestic violence as well. So exactly right, Danielle. Like, if people aren't taking the responsibility to collectively understand what their family is doing, investing for their collective future, it's gonna cause a lot of disharmony and you know, a lot of accusations and things like this. It's a lot of pain, a lot of stress, and like adding more trauma when everything else is already hard. So, like it, but again, it comes back to like doing what is hard by taking that responsibility. So, like, wait, well done to both of you. That's really um commendable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, we're we're trying and we're still figuring it out, but we've always really wanted to just be on the same page. I mean, it's it's important to us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was like, you have no choice. Like it's already this is the hardest money that's ever been created.
SPEAKER_03Uh it took me four years to orange peel my wife, and it it the reason I bring up the big print two or three times in a podcast, because most people won't read the books, but one book can change your life, and that book changed my life. I blackmailed her into listening to the big print on a road trip, going down south. She's like, You can't do that to me. I'm like, I'm not coming on the trip then. Like, fuck it, I just don't care. I'm not coming. Oh, fucking listen to the book, blah, blah, blah. Last three hours left on the way back up. She's like crying, so I pull over the car and caravan. So, right, I'm like, what's wrong? She's like, Fuck, I didn't get it. Like, I thought you were crazy. Like, I thought this was just this magic internet money. I'm like, it is fucking magic internet money. She's like, Sean, you she's like, Sean, you saved me. You saved our family. Like, thank you so much. But there was like four of some of the hardest fucking years of my life doing that because I knew it was the right thing, but just so busy with everything going on, like very successful consultants that she's doing at that stage and like coming back to partners should do stuff together. We started like working together and we created a really successful business together and everything like that. And then there's like, oh, she could see that I wasn't just in this hypothetical dreaming or or whatever. It's just actually putting proof of work, listened to the book, and then she's like, oh fuck. And then today it's like one of my nephews' birthdays. So last night she's like, I need to buy Bitcoin today. You know? Like, so different. Or have you bought Bitcoin this week? Like, yes, I have. Good. You haven't bought Bitcoin. Why haven't you bought Bitcoin? Isn't it on sale? You know, but it's once people come along and and stuff. So I think it is important. I think that's a great message you two are sharing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you're on the same mission, right? Like I always feel like you if you have the same goal, and I think that's where what lacks in relationships sometimes is like the lack of communication of what's the goal, what's the mission. Because oftentimes whoever I I I'm gonna stereotype, but usually it's the male who's like navigating the finances, you know, in a typical role, right? But if you're not bringing your wife or your partner alongside with you for that goal or that mission, sometimes that's probably why a lot of times the your wife is like, oh, well, well, yeah, whatever, whatever you're doing. Or there's a lot of animosity because they're not on the same mission with you, right? So then that causes anger, like you were talking about. So just really just showing, like, hey, even though I don't totally even understand at points, you know, some of the things that I'm hearing and all of that, I I want to be on the same mission with you. So let's do this, you know, let's let's figure this out, you know, together. So very, very important to us. But I heard you mention AI a little bit too, Sean. And I'm kind of interested in this because I I feel like it's, you know, I don't know if we don't want to go over too much of your time, but um your passion both about Bitcoin and AI. How do you see these two technologies working together? And, you know, why do you believe entrepreneurs who understand both will have a major, you know, advantage over the next decade?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So there's this one saying that I absolutely love. Like AI is not coming to replace anybody, but somebody that understands how to use AI is certainly coming to replace that person that doesn't. So like it is the greatest tool ever. You've got all the world's knowledge as long as you know how to be able to verify, you know, don't trust verify. But you've got access to anything, coding, video editing, like whatever you can imagine, paying like the highest performer on a computer to be able to do can now be done. And it's the cost of, you know, if you're not using it all the time, $30 a month, $200, $500 a month, or whatever. But you can have like multiple, multiple employees at like the highest level for that cost. Now, as we have like more and more agents and everything start to be able to come out, and they start going out and they're paying people, and we're already seeing this. Like the AI is going out and employing a human to be able to do work, or the AIs are getting other AIs to be able to do it. They need a native, like internet native money to be able to do it. And that is Bitcoin. Also, like there's central bank digital currencies, which are on online, you know, they're electronic fiat crap. But the AI agent with savings and everything like that, it's not gonna want money that's permission that can be cut off, that can be sanctioned, that can be debased. Hey, I I just like the AI is talking to itself, oh, I just made a million dollars in the last six years, government printed 60%. Oh, it's only worth $400,000. The AI is gonna be like, no, I want something that I hold over time that's gonna continue to be able to keep compounding, that's just totally permissionless. Nobody can get in the way of it, they can't stop it, they can't censor it, they can't debase it, they can't make more of it. And it's so like it's made perfectly for it. Like the 12, 24 words, hexadecimal, like it can just store it all itself, it can create as many Bitcoin wallets as it wants, and it can get like really creative, and like the little micropayments and some settlement, lightning liquid, etc. Um, cashew. It's just going to continue to build and build and build on. And you ask like any AI, like especially Grog, hey Grog, what currency or form of money or technology do you think AI agents are going to use in the future? It's always Bitcoin because it is the best money for humans and for agents. And it's that and that's what makes Bitcoin like so unique. It is um like the the physical and the metaphysical coming together, you know. It's just this perfect creation. Satoshi, like, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, thank you, Satoshi. If you're watching this or wherever you're at, or if you're not here, thank you. Um, Sean, that was amazing. And you know what's so funny is that some people are gonna have like these AI agents, and AI and these agents are gonna be like, um, I don't want to get paid in these in this currency that your government uh just creates and out of thin air, like, no, I want the hardest money. These agents are gonna know about uh Bitcoin before regular human beings know about Bitcoin, and it's crazy because uh you want you're watching this podcast, like understand like this is the future, this is where we're going. Like Bitcoin it's happening now.
SPEAKER_03The AI agents are already doing this, they're hiring people, they're paying each other in Bitcoin. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Fucking buy Bitcoin and put it in cold storage, and don't let your AI agents tell you this. They know just do it.
SPEAKER_03Just one very important PSA. So, like I use AI every single day, but it's on its own sandbox machine. It's not on the same machine that I do anything Bitcoin related with. Keep them very separate because AI can do anything on a computer a human can. Don't give it that, just totally separate them. And I think that's a very important message for people is just fucking separate them, have them air gaped.
SPEAKER_01Yes, okay. Thank you. One of our favorite questions is to wrap up all of our episodes is someone's entering Bitcoin for the first time, they're first listening to this podcast. Uh, what's what's some advice you would give to them entering into this Bitcoin space? Just two seconds. All right.
SPEAKER_03Read the book, the big print. Or if you don't read, listen to it on audible.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Please, just just do it. And then once you do it, order a box and hand out a box to all your friends, your family, your colleagues, and then just keep learning about it. Requires effort, but read the book straight, the bugs. That's your choice.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I love it. That was so good. I love it. And that book is amazing. I I read that book twice. I love Lawrence Leppard, I love what he's doing. That book was a huge pivotal moment for me, too, as well, where it was like everything just kind of clicked. I love Bitcoin, but just he was able to put everything together, and I don't know, it just came full circle. And I was like, dude, this is the best. And then every time I read a book, a Bitcoin book, or I read something in that book, right? Any Bitcoin book, and I'm like, oh my god, I just get so mad. I just take a huge Bitcoin buy. I'm like, what is going on?
SPEAKER_02Like, what?
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, like this is so crazy how we never were taught this. We've been lied to our whole lives. Our parents, we're all the world, they're literally, they're literally finessing the world, and no one's like understanding it. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, Sean, thanks again, Dan.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, thank you so much, Sean. And I I'm just for our audience, where can people connect with you?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so in Geta Bitcoin on YouTube, we'll leave my uh go on there, have a little bit of fun. Instagram as well, if you're interested in flying in Bitcoin. I I post a lot of short little clips uh up there, and getabitcoin.com, you can check out uh what I do. There's also places in Australia, self-managed super funds, etc., to like truly be able to opt out of the broken money system. Um that website is being updated at the moment, but probably by the time this video is out there, uh there'll be enough resources there to continue on your Bitcoin learning journey.
SPEAKER_00Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Sean, for joining us. And we really appreciate all your insight, your wisdom, and we just yeah, we're so grateful. So um, but thank you everyone else for listening in and tuning in to To the Moon with the Lunas, and we'll see you all on the moon.
SPEAKER_03Peace.