Wrestling’s Biggest What-Ifs

One decision can change an entire era, and wrestling has more butterfly effects than almost any other entertainment world. We sit down and rank our top 10 “what if” moments that could have rewritten WWE and WCW history, then argue which ones are truly industry-changing versus just career-changing. If you love wrestling history, alternate timelines, and honest barbershop-style debate, this one is built for you.

Transcript

Cold Open And Host Banter

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Well, let me do the honors. Hey. Usually Quentin would start the show off with some really catchy tagline, super hyped up to get you motivated and do all that stuff. He just said, I'm gonna give you the honor. So I'm just gonna stare at you incessantly like I have no clue what to say and just jab her off my jaws. But anyway, I'm Joe. This is cute. Might not fuck with you tomorrow or something. Can't say your name on his pod, not fuck with you tomorrow. I was gonna say that's it. That's it, right? See, I remember that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

We only heard it a thousand times. I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

I just had to remember exactly because I think he said might not say your name on his pod, might not put you tomorrow and you censor it out and everything. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, you say you know it's kind of from my perspective, the sports pod, shout out to DI. We we tip we don't really cuss on her, yeah. So that's where I start censoring it out. Oh, okay. Because we don't cuss on her, so I just censor it out everywhere now. I just it just kind of comes natural.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Yeah, that's why I was really trying to think. I'm like, does he even say the F word on it when he says it? No, no, no, put you tomorrow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

No, I probably don't put you today, so it don't even matter. You the cheeseburger and smile. All right. I have fucking issues. I'm sorry. It's okay. We all have one. We do. Yeah.

Setting Up The Top 10

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Uh yeah, so today we're gonna go over top 10 what ifs.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Yeah, the biggest what-ifs in wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

What shoulda, coulda, woulda's, you know? Yes. Could be a swerve. Could even be, ooh, I just thought about this, like contracts or whatever. What if a person hadn't gone somewhere?

SPEAKER_00 2:05

It's interesting you say that. I might have one of those.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

He done beat me to that. I might have done it.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Might have one or two.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

I'm probably gonna have to do an honorable mention in one or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sweet. All right.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

You want to kick it off? Yeah, I'm gonna give I have a lot of honorable mentions. And I actually have five honorable mentions, which is a lot. There's a lot of honorable mentions. So I'm gonna go through uh the first one.

Honorable Mentions And Contract What-Ifs

SPEAKER_00 2:33

What if Rory Mysterio turned heel in WCW in WWE earlier? Well, ever well, if you can turn heel. I said earlier. He's never been a heel in WWE. Yeah. He was a heel in WCW, but he's once he lost the mask and all of that.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Yeah, the filthy animals, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Yeah, yep. But what if he what if Rory Mysterio became a heel in WWE? I also have Swerve Strickland. The run that he's going through right now on AEW, he's like a star. Yes. What if he had that run in WWE? They didn't utilize him correctly at all. They did not. They didn't the whole group they did not utilize correctly. Yeah. Um, what if Cena never turned to you? We wish. What if China's contract actually got renewed even though her and Triple H broke up? That's why I see it. Fuck. I actually do have a contract situation. So yeah, what if see, even though her and Triple H broke up, it you know, it's been awkward backstage. What if China's contract actually got renewed? Bro, that that opens too many doors right there. Because China doesn't get the respect and credit she deserves.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

China didn't get any, she didn't get none of the respect or credit she deserved until she passed away.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

And it was years after she passed away. Yeah. Years after she passed away. She went and did another life in WWE, didn't want to associate themselves with that life. But I feel like if she might have had got that contract renewed, she might have never gone down that other life.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

No.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Because she that was a source of the income.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

So and it's crazy how like a lot of the things that they promoted prior to even prior to her leaving or whatever, you know, like putting her in Playboy and like everybody knew the kind of things people were getting into backstage, you know. Like the antics and stuff. I mean, fuck, you dealing with those kind of injuries on a day-to-day basis, you're gonna pick up some vices. Yep. That just kind of goes along with the business. And yeah, and then the whole situation with her and Triple H and then no contract renewal, but they just kind of pushed it aside like like this wasn't gonna be almost an obvious outcome.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

But they like they won't act like she never existed. Like I said, they won't act like she never existed for the longest time. That's why I always like Xbox or six kids, sick okay, whatever you want to call her. She's Xbox to me. I like that he always shouts China out. Anytime they have a moment, he makes sure to say her name and give her credit. So yeah, but nah, that was my those are my honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

My only honorable mention I was thinking of is like, what about if Lex Luger had never gone over to WCW on that first nitro? Like that contract situation, or even like the contract with uh Brett Hart. You know, he was signing that 20-year contract to WWF. When they came to him, we're like, bro, there's no way in the world we can actually pay you this. Like you might want to contact WCW. You can get yourself out of here, we'll support you doing this. And so, you know, it's like, what would have happened if that would have never gone down?

SPEAKER_00 6:06

But damn. What if CM Punk never walked out? Bro, yes. That just popped in my head, what if CM Punk never walked out?

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Or uh Mercedes at the time, whatever you wanted to talk about. Yeah. Like if that whole situation wouldn't have gone down.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

It's interesting you say her name. Real good at foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

But completely off topic of what we're talking about here, did you know she's then lost, like, she's down, I think, three belts.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Oh, it's crazy. She had a thousand?

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Might not should have had a thousand. Yeah, probably not, yeah. Respectfully.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

And I like Sasha Banks or Mercedes Monet, my bad. I think she was going for that Ultimo Dragon uh record there.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, some records shouldn't be broken.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

It's probably true.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

And again, I like Mercedes Monet. But yeah. I don't know. All right, cool. You ain't got no more honorable missions? No. You want me to start?

Finn Balor And Lost Pushes

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Go ahead. What if Finn Balor never gets hurt? Let me just delete that offline real quick. But I'm that was literally the one I was gonna open with too. I forgot about that one. And then we were sitting here because Ray Mysterio was mopped in. And then we were sitting here, and I was like, oh, Finn Balor. Because now he's in like this mid-core, upper mid-core, lower mid-core. I don't even know where, I don't even know where you put Finn Balor. Because he he went for belts that a championship belt that we knew he wasn't gonna get.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

But he got injured and never got another opportunity. Yep. So Finn Balor never got hurt, especially because WWE, Vince liked all his dudes big and strong. Finn was one of the ones where he was actually gonna give the championship to that doesn't fit his typical mode. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Sorry if I took years.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

No, it's all good. I remembered it because it was like something we discussed, I think, in the last one.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

We did.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Yeah. Yep. All right. Yep. Um. What if? And I'm gonna go back, man, because this is gonna be way. This is almost before my time. In fact, it is before my time. I just found out about it much later on. Have you ever heard the name Magnum TA? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got into like a wreck or something, didn't he? Yeah. So what if he had never gotten that wreck? Because that man was on the verge of getting the NWA world title. Okay. You're gonna have to explain that me and probably a lot of people. So Magna was on a huge push. Like they were pushing him, you know what I'm saying? Like some Ric Flair level type stuff. Okay. And he had just lost the U.S. title to I'm gonna say it was Nikita Koloth. I always get him and Nikolai's names mixed up. So but I think it was Nikita. And after he lost that, that was them getting the belt off him. They were gonna transition him into a full push towards the NWA title. Then he goes and has a motorcycle, like you said.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Oh good.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

And he can no longer wrestle again. And yeah, they got to change like everything around. Um, Nikita goes from being like one of the top Russian bad guys at the time to being a total babyface because of this. And yeah, I just kind of wonder, like, you know, what would have happened? So this was what, like this is early to mid-80s.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Okay, I was gonna say early to mid eighties. Okay. Yeah, yeah. That was definitely before my time. I'm saying. That was before my time of being. I remember of being. You youngins. How old are you again? 36.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

What year were you born from? 89. 89. Okay. Yeah, I can't see. I'd be 43 like next month.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Okay, but yeah, I've heard I know he got to a rant, but like I don't even know who he was.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, he was like a major star with the um, and he was he was on the cusp of becoming something much bigger, you know. Okay. And yep, unfortunately. Yeah, today recurred. There was other plans for that, man.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

All right, I'm gonna give you my number nine.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

You ready for this? I'm I'm ready for it because I'm looking over my list right now.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

What if Stone Cold never got injured in '97? I'm not done. But I'm not done. Yeah. And he went to TNA in 2023. I mean 2003. Kind of like Hogan going to WCW. What if Stone Cold never got hurt and he went to TNA? Because TNA, I think it's for us 2001, 2002. But after like a year or two of them being in existence.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Yeah, they was pulling everybody.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

They got angled, they had all the WCW people that you taught me was still under contract with WCW and they finally went over there or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

What if they had all of those people and they was getting established? And then in walks Stone Cold at the height of Stone Cold. Well, not the height, but because he wouldn't have been hurt, so he still would have been at the height in 2003, 2003. So I put Yeah, Stone Cold and TNA. Would TNA overtake W WWE?

SPEAKER_02 11:54

I don't know if they would, but they damn sure would have given more of a run for the money. There was also around do you remember? I don't remember exactly what year it was. I have to be able to make a C. But the Goldberg and Lesnar flight from WrestleMania when they were both on their way out.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Lesnar at that time was talking to TNA, but they couldn't give him the money. I remember that yeah. Yeah. It's like that's another what if. Like, whew. TNA only had the money. Dude, TNA would have had the money to bring Lesnar in, and they had angle and everything. They could have done some stone cold to TNA. Stone Cold to TNA. What would Stone Cold's theme song in TNA have sounded like?

SPEAKER_03 12:45

No.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

TNA had this. I like TNA, especially going back and watching old stuff, but they had a tendency to take music and I want to say make a very Walmart version of music. Well, when the budget is here. Yeah, exactly. Like they they kept it within their budget, props to them. And some of it was really good. Some of it was just like, you know, you maybe could have just tried to do something completely different. You could have just let that go. Yeah, yeah. Just Stone Cold and DNA. I never would have thought about that.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah. Just out here thinking.

unknown 13:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

I had time today. Miles cutting Grace.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

All right, let me go ahead and delete Stone Cold getting injured off of my list. You don't have to. That's your list.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yo, your list. It's your list. I'm just doing my list. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Ooh, I got one. This is another one that's gonna be like. What if Shane Douglas never dropped the NWA title, threw it down, and declared

Stone Cold In TNA Fantasy

SPEAKER_02 14:05

it dead? You probably don't know what I'm talking about at all, do you?

SPEAKER_00 14:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Um, so ECW was known as Eastern Championship Wrestling.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Oh, is that what they said for?

SPEAKER_02 14:17

Yeah, well, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Yeah, it was Eastern Championship Wrestling. When uh Todd Gordon and Paul Hammond got together and they were like, look, we want to grow this and make this much bigger than what it is. Okay. And so they got with Shane Douglas. There was a tournament that was going on where they were gonna crown a new NWA champion.

unknown 14:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

They got with Shane Douglas and were like, look, this is what's gonna happen. You're gonna win this. But at the end, you're gonna throw the title down and declare it dead, and we're gonna have a new champion, and it's gonna be the ECW Extreme Championship Russia. That's what I always thought it was. Okay. That was when it was formed. He gets up there and he does this whole thing. He's like talking about the legacy. He's like, you look at this belt, you know, you got the greats like Harley Race and Rick Flair, and they can all kiss my ass. And he throws the belt down. And just poof. Yes. Cause a lot of fucking hatred at that point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

I mean, I understand why. Yeah, oh yeah. Because NWA was a big deal. Yes. And then you say these titles did. Yeah. People gonna not like you. Yes. And they're gonna look at you sideways. You're gonna make a lot of professionals in the wrestling industry.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Oh, yeah. They have a lot of enemies going off that one, but I think it paid off well for them. I mean, yeah, yeah. They became a thing. They definitely did. Yeah, that would be what's that? My number nine? Yeah, that was your number nine. So it was kind of an Eastern Championship wrestling.

unknown 15:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

I swear I never knew that. Yeah. Okay. See, I do fights with Joe and I learn stuff. I'm here for knowledge. We're gonna get somber for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Don't you do this to me again. Go ahead. See, you got your wrist. You can still do this later. Now go ahead though. Let me see.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I'm hoping you don't, but yeah, I probably did. You probably did. Because I put two together. Okay. What if Owen Hart and Eddie Guerrero never passed away? You know how much I love Eddie Guerrero. Mm-hmm. What if they never passed away and they both, which don't wrong, Eddie Guerrero and Owen Hart, they both had good, well, great careers while they were both living. Yeah. But they both passed when they still had so much more to give.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

So much.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

So what if what if neither one of them have passed away? I think this is just me. As big as the star Ray is now, if he had that long-term back and forth with because I think Sami Zayn's gonna go through this now with Kevin Owens and his neck injury.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Like we two were tied together. It could have made magic and it we made both of us bigger.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

I think Ray, as big as he is now, I think he would have been bigger if Eddie was still living.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

Do you think he would have ever won the world heavy fight title, though? Yes. Yeah. Ray won one. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I think Ray was. I would have Ray won. Yeah, I still think Ray would have got one. Because Ray was because everybody loved Ray. Everybody, yeah. So I think Ray's still.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

And they just wanted to do something special. You know, it's like. But Ray is like, yeah, it's like Ray is Ray is Ray. Everybody loves him.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

I was gonna say Ray is Ray wasn't dependent on Eddie Guerrero. Yeah. I don't I think people think that, and I think that's incorrect. I think Ray Mysterio was his own star and was already going down this path of where he's at now. I just think it would have been better. I think his career would have been bigger if he had that consistent back and forth with somebody.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

And I think Sami Zayn in the same situation now with Kevin Owens out because there was something you could always draw to and people, it builds, it builds upon yours. Kind of like Randy and John's ain't though.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

So yeah. Yeah. I hope I didn't take one of yours. That's my number eight.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

I'm not gonna let you take mine because my number eight is what if the blue blazer had never fallen from the top of that building? I always wonder. The blue blazer. Yeah, that's who Owen Hart was playing. Oh that was the character that Owen Hart was portraying when he was on the top of the uh building. Was it the Allstate Arena, I believe? Okay, yeah. And yeah, they had him hooked up to that thing. They thought they had him hooked up to it. Turns out. Yeah. So he was like he was just finally hitting. I don't know if I would say he's hitting his peak because obviously they had kind of relegated him back a little bit with the blue blazer thing. And I don't know, it's like, well, did y'all do that because you had nothing else for him? Were you trying to find something else for him? Like, what would have happened? Hence, what if? They caught all, you know, and not just, I guess, not even just from the standpoint of like what if for his career, but also like all of the backlash and all the negative press and everything else that WWE received off of it and all the things that they had to go through. Like, yeah, what would the career what would the company have looked like if that had happened?

SPEAKER_00 19:46

So you know you taught me something right.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

What's that?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I just thought Owen Hart was being Owen Hart when he passed. Because I've never seen because again, I would this was when I was younger. Yeah, I wasn't watching wrestling at the time. I just know the story of Owen Hart passing away and what happened. I didn't know he was playing a character at the time.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah, like when he first came in, when he first came into WWF, he played this character called the Blue Blazer. And then they kind of just faded that away. He became Owen Hart, you know, and he went through that whole thing. Nation and domination, then Hart Foundation, then uh Brett Leeds. And it's like after that, Owen was just kind of in this place where it's like, all right, what do we do with Owen? So they brought back the blue blazer

ECW Origins And Shane Douglas

SPEAKER_02 20:35

gimmick. And he was playing that and he was coming down from the rafters at every show. And it just so happens that this one hook them up, they didn't hook it up right.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

I didn't know what it did. I learned like two days on this. We only own number eight. My number seven. What if Sean Michael never get hurt? Shawn Michaels never get hurt. Okay, the time we was out for the years. Yes, yes. I don't know. And he loved it and go to WCW.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

And Sean would have went to WCW, man. Yeah. I feel like it would have been a big It would have been a big pop for WCW, a big like win. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

What okay, let me ask you this. What would be bigger? Shine going to WCW or Stone Cold going to TNA.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Stone Cold going to TNA. TNA. Okay. WCW was already facing that issue of too many egos in the back. Okay. And that's, you know what I'm saying? I feel like ultimately that's what killed them. If you bring Sean at that era, that Sean? That's an ego. That was a big ego. He's joining his boys from the click. Yeah. You know, they would have gave him the same like creative control, the same amount of money and everything. And they might have. I feel like, yeah, it would have been a big like win for them in the short term. But overall, in the end, it it still would have been like the same ending with too many egos in here. And they end up, yeah, I end up killing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yes. Because y'all say it's so mean goes, yeah. So it's too many chefs in the kitchen. Yes. Somebody needs to be some people and some sous chefs and servers. We need some line cooks.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

We need some need a busboy or two. We need somebody to do delivery at this point. And them dishes are backing up. But everybody wants to be a chef. Everybody.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Okay. Yeah. That's my number seven. Shawn Michaels never gets hurt and he goes to WCW.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

I am very happy to say that that is the first one he's done that I don't have on my list.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Great minds think a lot.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

Oh, right. We can look at it like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

I don't think you might have two more that crossover. Yeah. Maybe three.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

I got, well, you know, obviously for me, I got quite a few that are old school. So maybe we might not have no more. Yeah. I'm just gonna have to do this one. What if Seth Rollins never got injured? And I'm not even gonna say when, because we can literally just point out like Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Which one? But just in general. Yeah, because the storyline now, well, the storyline he was doing at this WrestleMania that just um then he got hurt. What was the last shoe? He didn't get hurt so many dead all the time. I know.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Show Steph Rollins gets hurt a lot. Seth puts he's like when they say, you know, like people are like these people sacrifice themselves for the business, you know. He's one of them guys that will literally go out there and just balls to the wall, even if it means oh, well, can't be on the shelf for a few months. Uh so prior to this was the leg. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fake. That one was a one. So I'm trying to think what the one before that was.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

He done had so many. Yeah. Let me do a quick because he didn't.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Because I started to write it down. I was like, what if Seth Rollins never got injured? I could leave it right there. Seth Rollins just got injured.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Dude. Torn Rock Potato Cough. That was that was this last one. He had

Owen Hart And Eddie Guerrero Loss

SPEAKER_00 25:18

a he had an uh ACL MCL tur in 2015. Yeah. He had back issues that put him on the shelf for a long time. So yeah. He's gotten he's gotten hurt a lot. Yeah. I like that one. What if Seth Rollins never got hurt?

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Any of those times. 2015 ACL, yeah. 2017 MCL, 2024 torn meniscus, 2025 rotator cuff, 2022 pectoral injury.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Okay. All right, you ready for my next one?

SPEAKER_03 26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

What if Vince McMahon episode did TKO?

The Blue Blazer Tragedy

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Ooh, I like that. Because right now WWE is going through some issues because they're trying to make every dollar. And don't get me wrong, Vince wanted to make every dollar too. But I don't, as crazy as it sounds, I think TKO is worse than Vince when it comes to trying to make every dollar. Vince? You don't think uh Spongebob? Yeah, of course. TKO is Krusty Crips.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Oh yeah. Oh god, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Vince, man, like even TKO came out and said it one time. They're like, Vince priced all of these events for families to attend. We're not interested in that. We're interested in getting top dollar for all our stuff. And it's like, yeah, watch how that's gonna pan out for y'all. Because, you know, I get that sports events like basketball games, football games, and such, those aren't necessarily family events.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

But but people think they families to them.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

They do, yeah. Like, you know, people take their kids to them, but I think people look more at like a like a big football game, like the Super Bowl or something like that, and they just kind of know like this isn't priced for a family.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Yeah. You know, I think you're right. I don't think the Super Bowl, stuff like that, I don't think it's priced for a family. I do think like your typical NBA game, yeah, is made for family fun. But just like your wrestling, your weekly, your weekly shows should be made for family because it's a Monday night, it's a Friday night. Yeah, they people want to take their kids to see this this event. Yeah if you like you said, if you're trying to get top dollar, I can't afford to take my family of four or my family of five, and we all gotta pay X amount of dollars as it were compared to Vince. Price did you said, because Vince thinking long term, yes, if this kid grows up and as a wrestling fan, me, I grew up as a wrestling fan out straight away, but I came back and to become a wrestling fan, that kid will come back. Tells them like they're not gonna be able to build these wrestling fans because in fact they ain't gonna be able to go.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Yeah, and when you grow up as a wrestling fan, the idea is what's gonna happen when you get to be an adult. You're gonna have a kid. You have a kid, your kid's gonna go. Your kid's gonna become it, the cycle just continues on.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

It's gonna continue to become a thing.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Yes. Vince knew that, you know, and it's like another way that Vince was, you know, kind of on the ball of it was house shows. Yep. Where it's like, oh, you can't, even if, okay, yes, Raw, I'm not saying Raw was expensive back then, but Raw was priced a little bit, you know, like higher. I think like tickets were like $40, $50 or shit like that. So the idea was, hey, if this is out of your price range, don't worry. We have house shows where you can still come and see. It won't be like the biggest, you know, like angles, it won't be the biggest, you know, like event, but there'll be enough of your favorite stars at these shows, and they're gonna be priced well within range for you to bring the family out and the kids are gonna have a good time still, you know. Are they gonna see, you know, like will John Cena be there along with you know, like the other five top stars at the time, whatever? No, probably not. You probably only have like two of your top stars.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Yeah, I was gonna say you probably go get two of them. But yeah, but yeah, you're at least they're the at least you get that and it's affordable. Yes, and there's smaller videos and all that was no cody was Cody was recently talking about that just for the on the wrestler side. That's when a lot of them get the opportunity to work. Yes, you just show up at you just show up at tapings all the time and you're not on TV, you just here. If you had house shows, people get to hone their craft, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

And also, like, I know I seen the same thing where he's talking about the the injuries. He's like, you know, people they're not out here performing every day, so their bodies kind of get the I don't even know the words I'm looking for, man.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

But you know, like if you're not stiff, yeah, you're not used to using those muscles as much. So then when you go on TV and use those muscles, you end up turning something because you're not using them as much. They say the same thing about that with like basketball nowadays, because like the younger kids, they only play basketball, they don't play the other sports, yeah. So they're and then they start playing so young and they play so much, they have they end up injuring themselves. But in this situation, it's because you in the wrestling, you're not using it, yeah. It's two spectrums. It's not you is using it too much or not using those muscles enough, yeah. You're going to end up turning some.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Injuries is gonna happen regardless.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Oh, yeah. But there's gotta be a balance, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Trying to I feel like TKO, TKO is hurting themselves, but it's like they're trying to cover up for their other business ventures, ventures that they're trying to get the money off of wrestling. You're gonna end up milking that crab cow drive because in fact, times is hard right now. Yeah, you can't try to get the top dollar. You might want to bring your prices down. And then I think some house shows, I don't want it to be like where Vince was at the house shows.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

These dudes, no time off.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

I like how Triple H gets people time off around the holidays and stuff. Yes, but a couple more house shows throughout the year, like a couple more they call them like the live shows, the live tools, whatever they call them. A couple more of those so people can actually get out there and get the work in, I think we'll be good.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Yeah, but yeah, but if missing episode to TKO.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

TKO. Yeah, they're knocking out business, all right. Are we on seven?

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Uh I believe I believe so.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

All right. What?

SPEAKER_02 32:07

If I'm trying to decide on this one. What if Brock never ended the streak?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Ooh. I started to put that on the list, but I let it go. Yeah? Yeah, I started to put that on the list, but I let it go. Oh. I like that one. Okay. Question. If Brock never ends it, does it just never end or someone else ends it? Because I think that changes my thoughts on it.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

Should anybody have ever ended it? No. Would they have eventually made somebody else do it? I feel like if Brock hadn't done it, they would have had Roman.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

I was gonna

Injuries That Changed Careers

SPEAKER_00 33:00

say it was gonna be Roman if Brock hadn't them done it. Yeah. What? What if he never actually had a streak? Would the undertaker still be would the undertaker still be the undertaker streak? Yeah. I feel like he would. We think that, but that does add to the allure of The Undertaker. Yeah. When he never he never lost at WrestleMania. Hey, the biggest show, I show up and I show out every time. That does add to the allure. I would assume he would still be, but what if he never actually even had a streak?

SPEAKER_02 33:40

I don't know if he would. Yeah, no, I don't know if he would be as big as he got to be. Yeah. Huh. That makes my head hurt.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Okay. I mean, he had a good career, but damn. Okay, we just gonna go on. So I want your head to hurt because we still got more lists, too. Um I think it's my number five, six, five. I don't know. I count him on the next one. What if Sting came to WWE sooner? Like when the invasion actually happened. Okay, if we could have ever gotten to see Sting versus Undertaker, the robberies, Sting versus Rock, Sting and Stone Cold. Yes, Sting and Sean. Yeah. Because Sean came back at some point, Triple H. Like, do you think Sting, because everybody

Seth Rollins Injury Butterfly Effect

SPEAKER_00 34:45

do you think it would have hurt Sting or helped Sting? Because part of the thing with Sting is he's like this mystical character, even though he went to CNA, but a lot of people don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

I feel like it would have helped him. Okay. As long as they didn't try to do anything crazy with his character, like if they would have kept his character as it was, maybe do like some slight tweaking, like he did with it in TNA, I think he would have done great. Provided they didn't do anything, you know, like what they did with Undertaker with that American badass gimmick. Goldberg in the 1999 limo incident. Do you know anything about that one?

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Why does that sound familiar? You wanna start telling the story, and I'll be like, oh yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Yeah, it was at Thunder. So he was supposed to be like, you know, I think in a main event of Star Cave that year.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

And um the idea was they had a gimmicked up window on a limo. He had a lead pipe. He was supposed to start breaking out the windows with the lead pipe. Goldberg's too macho for that. So Goldberg drops a lead pipe and starts doing this to break the windows and breaks them with his fucking borearm and his fist. He has to get 155 stitches because he hits an artery. Okay, no, I didn't know this.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

He ended up being out for uh five months after that, which like you know, completely fucks up their whole time things that they were building towards.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Yeah. They gave him the pipe, yeah, and all he had to do was break the window.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Yep. Like I feel I think one of the windows was gimmicked up for him to like do that with and break easily, and he did that one, and he was supposed to take the pipe to the rest of the windows, but instead he decides I'm just gonna start beating them with my fucking fist. And yeah, hits an artery.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Do you think it was just like lack of knowing, or he just didn't hurt? Like maybe he thought that all of them was he's talked about it a lot.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

Obviously, I've never like really heard any of the interviews where he talked about it. From what I understand, though, of seeing some of it was he was just so caught up in the moment, and he was just riding that adrenaline high, you know what I'm saying? I'm I'm fucking Goldberg, dog, I'm gonna fucking do this shit. King Kong ain't got shit on me. Well, he did that day. So yes. Oh shit, I didn't know this. Yeah. I was like, what would have happened if Goldberg had just stuck to the script and kept that lead pipe in his hand?

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Okay. All right, I'm gonna go to my number four. Oh, I forgot our honorable mention. Yeah, what if uh the hurt business never broke up in WWE? Forget that. But the reason I bring that up is because the hurt syndicate is in AEW, yep, with you know, a lot of the same people, Madison Um Alexander. Yeah. But speaking of AEW, and we talked about Mercedes Monet earlier. What if it was Bailey that left instead of Sasha Banks? Because I think Bailey is we do an underrated list.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Bailey.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Bailey's gonna be probably my number one or my number two.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Yeah. Bailey is highly underutilized.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

The fact that she's in some little random tag team right now, and then she had a storyline that she was doing the voices in her head thing, and then they went away from that quickly. Yeah, I think Bailey is underusel, underutilized and underrated. And what if Bailey was the person to leave instead of Sasha Banks? Or Mercedes Monday. So, yeah, that's my number four. I think Bailey.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

I always wonder if Bailey's ever going to leave there. But then I always worry like have they depleted her so much now by this point that even if she does, it's kind of like doesn't have the biggest impact that it could or should have.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

Yeah, that's a great point. Uh uh meeting Bailey. And I think Bailey's underrated, vastly underrated. I think a lot of men agree with you that we all love Bailey. I was trying to be respectful in this conversation. I am too, man. I didn't say anything else. I want to say something else. That's what made me say that. Yeah, you said you didn't say nothing else. It made me want to say something else. Yep. You better go before because Bailey, Bailey, Bailey. Bailey, Bailey, Bailey, Bailey, Bailey. Oh my god.

Vince Selling To TKO Scenario

SPEAKER_00 40:01

See, you know what I'm saying? You you I was okay. Shut up. Shut up there. Um Bright.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

What if Bret Hart never got screwed Survivor series?

SPEAKER_00 40:21

I didn't make my list, but I knew it was gonna make the eventual list at the end because it's it's too big of a thing for it not to be talking about. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Because the impact, like the long-standing impact of that on the entire industry is just it's huge, you know?

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Honestly, it's probably number one. When we do the list at the end, it's probably number one if we be an artist. Like, yeah. Because, like you said, it changed so many things.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Yeah. Yeah, no. It changed the whole land. I mean, Vince McMahon becoming the uh Mr. McMahon, the evil McMahon character, you know, that would have not really I feel like it would have happened possibly. But it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been as impactful and it wouldn't have been when it happened. That's the thing, it wouldn't have been as impactful. Yeah. Yeah. Just Brett would have never gone over there. He would have never fought Goldberg at that point where he got the kick that concussed him and injured his career, and just I was just about to ask you, does Goldberg still become Goldberg if he doesn't have the Bret Hart victory? He does. I feel like he does just because he had that initial build-up much you know prior to them ever meeting up. But maybe as hated.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Because I think a lot of the reason Goldberg is hated now.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

I don't think he would have ever been as hated as he is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

So yeah, no. Like you said, that

WWE Under TKO And Ticket Prices

SPEAKER_00 41:55

one it changes the career paths of so many people because of this one action. Yep. So yeah. No. I feel I respect that one. Like I said, it didn't make my list, but I know it's going to be on the list. Um, next one. What if Big E doesn't get hurt? B was or Big E was already on a roll.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

Big E. Yeah, dude. I mean, he had already held the world title at that point. I'm sure he would have gotten another one.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Yeah. And a lot of the that also changes a lot of like, because people say that what they say about Triple H and African Americans or whatever at this time. There's Big E was that star. Big E was that African American star that was going to get all those title runs.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

So a lot of that would have played itself out and it would have changed.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

By just Big E never getting hurt.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Yeah. And the New Day felt lost. The New Day, yeah. I was just trying to think of how to say, yeah, like the Kofi and examiner. Trajectory. That's the word. Yeah. The trajectory of the New Day would have definitely changed.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Right? Because like even now, they turned them heel, and then it was starting to catch momentum, but then they never capitalized on it. So what is it? They're trying to get who are they trying to get into right now? Well, Xavier's hurt. So it's Javon Evans. Javon Evans, yeah. And Kofi was like, which is a great storyline, by the way. Kofi's like, I've seen a lot of me in you. Because they're both as to use uh I just said his name. Now I can't think of his name. Um, they're both bouncy.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Kofi and um Javon. Javon Evans, thank you. Yeah, they're both bouncy.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

They had the agility, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

So it makes sense for them two to have that the storyline and build towards it. I hope they make something of it. And then, you know, Grayson Wallace, right, is there with the New Day and whatever. But the trajectory of the New Day, like you said, would have been completely different if Big E never. Got hurt. And I think even I think we talked about like Rey Mysterio was his own star with with Eddie. I feel like with Big E getting hurt, I don't Xavier might not never get that solo push. That's where he would have got, I feel like he would have got it if Big E was still healthy.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

So Kobe was always gonna be Kofi was Kobe was a star before he got him.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

So Xavier came in, and Xavier got the physique and all of that now. But if Big E was healthy, it could have built, it would have been more storylines. I feel like they would Xavier they would have had more tag team championship runs, but not only that, I feel like Xavier would have got his solo push at some point.

SPEAKER_03 44:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

I don't think he's ever gonna get it now, if I'm just being honest.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

I don't feel like he ever will either. That time's the pass for him, unfortunately. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

So yeah, that's my number three.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

That one didn't make my list, too.

unknown 45:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

We had a lot of this stuff. Yeah. Um this one. There's still a little bit of time left to see if this could change. So I know this ain't no money. Currently, as it runs, I don't know what's gonna happen here. What if Braun Breaker had not gotten injured recently? Because you know, they were building like the idea was him and Seth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

I think that has the because I think he's gonna be back soon.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

That's what I mean. Like there's if he had a still, what, two weeks left? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so there's still a chance for him to show up, get cleared, and be able to come in. So fingers crossed that happens because I think that could be a hell of a match.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Yeah. I think uh storyline-wise, I think it would be I think the storyline would have been better. Well, I think like you said earlier, Seth's injuries. The storylines would have been better if Seth was healthy as well as Braun was healthy. Yeah. It kind of kills the storyline when everybody's hurt.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Yeah. So he killed the vision off when Seth's

Undertaker Streak Alternate Endings

SPEAKER_02 46:06

gone, Braun's gone, Bronson's gone.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Yeah, then you're looking at Austin Theory and uh Logan Powell, and you're looking at them like, y'all not really a threat.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

Y'all just hurt. Y'all a mid-card tag team at this point.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Yeah, at best, which Austin Theory was already one of those.

Sting Arrives Earlier And Goldberg’s Limo

SPEAKER_02 46:23

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Okay, cool. My number two.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

What if Vince do about WCW? I see a lot of people talk about what if they ran them as a separate company. I was just thinking, what if Vince never bought it? And let's say somebody else bought it and it still was his own brand. Somebody else took it over, and like we talked about,

Bayley Versus Sasha Exit Question

SPEAKER_00 46:52

put made it like an actual organization, yes, where I we run it like this instead of everybody's up here. Everybody just wanna know. What if Vince never bought it and someone else bought it and ran it like a proper organization? Would it would it ever have been a real competition to WWE?

SPEAKER_02 47:15

I think I think at some point they would have been able to have some competition, you know, because WEWE did hit like a little bit of a slump at one point. They had a low, yes, they did. Yeah. Do you know who was originally like talked about to purchase it? Bischoff and um I want to say it was Jason Herbie was his name. I remember Bischoff. Do you know who Jason Hervey is?

unknown 47:43

No.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Uh do you know, remember the show The Window Years? Yeah. I feel like, and I don't remember. I remember the show, but I can't remember the characters like which one. Was he the brother of uh Fred Savage? Ooh. Curly. Don't give me line.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Yeah, that one. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Now he was supposed to buy?

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Wow. Yeah, they were uh they were business partners, and so they had a company that they had formed in hopes to buy WCW, but the problem was TNT would not guarantee them a time slot on the channel, even after, you know what I'm saying? They purchased, they were like, we don't want to be involved in the wrestling business anymore. That's why we're selling. Yeah, that's why we're like we're done with you. And so then they were like, all right, we're not gonna do this. If they would have stayed around though, what would have happened with TNA have ever existed?

SPEAKER_00 49:02

I'm not probably not. I never even knew this was a thing. Wow, they produced a girls gone wild pay-per-view event from Florida with the WWE.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Ah, God, what I feel like I've heard about that, but never, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

They Hulk Hogan Celebrity Championship Wrestling. Yes, Hardcore Pond Chicago. They had a promotional deal with the WWE at one point. Oh they had a deal with Walmart to carry Hulk Hogan's branded energy drink.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Oh no, I didn't even know Hogan had an energy drink that I think I felt I feel like I vaguely remember that.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

They oh, they had a consulting agreement with TNA. Oh TNA was accused of breaching the contract.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Now I have to do my number two. This is going old again.

Undertaker Streak What-Ifs

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

But this is one everybody knows about. At least I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

So you are you gonna judge me if I don't know it?

SPEAKER_02 50:12

You know it, but you might not know the particulars. Yeah. What if Andre had never become a bad guy to face Hogan at WrestleMania 3?

SPEAKER_00 50:27

Can I be honest? Yeah. I did not know Andre was the bad guy. I should have known because Hogan in that era was Hogan was the ultimate good guy. Yeah, yeah. But I just knew they wrestled.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

They had to, you know, back then they had to uh

More Dream Scenarios And Modern What-Ifs

SPEAKER_02 50:46

there were no tweeners. Yeah, they wanted to make sure that you know they always had good guy versus bad guy, and they always had to have a bad guy fighting Hogan. So if we're gonna have this big match with Andre and Hogan, Andre's gotta be a bad guy. So they switched Andre to be the bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

Yes. So what happened when Andre became the bad guy? Because for some reason I don't remember Andre up being a bad guy.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Andre, the whole it's because Andre could not do a bad guy very well. Everybody loved him too much. But it was like he came out there on Saturday, I think it was Saturday night's main event at Piper's Pit, and Hogan was out there talking, and um Bobby the brain became his like his voice, you know. And he was saying, you know, Hogan, you're scared of him, you're scared to give him a title fight, you know. That's why you keep running from him. That's why why don't you fight him? Why don't you fight him? And Hogan's like, we're friends, we're friends. And Andre came out there and like ripped his cross off of his neck. I was like, you know, you owe me a title shot, give me a fight, you know. Don't be scared. Yeah. And that was, I think that was really all they did to like turn him into a bad guy was just have him join up with Heenan and rip a cross off of a Hogan's chest.

Brock Ends The Streak Debate

SPEAKER_00 52:06

I never knew this. Yeah, I just knew their fault. Yeah, I never knew that it was Andre. But I should have, I should have known. That was just my lack of petition. But yeah, okay, cool. Because they didn't do twinners back then.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

No, okay, he might have been the original without even meaning to be because no, like nobody hated him. No, no, he couldn't hate Andre. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

All right, you just mentioned Hogan. So I might as well just give you my number one. I might as well just give us our number one. What if Hogan never joined the NWO? Man, what if I had some deaths to tie to this, but I deleted it. But I'm gonna tell you anyway now.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

What if it's Brad Hart instead of Hogan?

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Does the NWO still have the same impact?

SPEAKER_02 52:59

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

I didn't think so. No, but you know more history than me. But I don't think it would have been the same thing, it wouldn't have been the pop culture phenomenon that it is now. It's to this day, NWO is still a phenomenon.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

NWO is the reason for something to say.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

I say NWA.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

NWO.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

NWO. I've been talking to you too much. I didn't, you know, I knew NWA was a thing, but I didn't know it was his big old thing until we started doing this podcast. But yeah, NWO.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Yeah, I feel like they're

Bayley Leaves And The Screwjob

SPEAKER_02 53:30

responsible for so many like different things and even different, like, you know, federations and such, like you can see the impact. Um, what's the one I'm thinking of? Fourth rope? Who is it? Uh smoke, smoke, DZA.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Oh, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

I'm assuming it's smoke dizzy. Yeah, smoke dizz, I'm assuming, yeah. Yeah, that's what I've always kind of thought. That's what I always thought of. He always has it, yeah. He has his wrestling company called Fourth.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. I knew uh uh dudes out of Syracuse. Or I kind of uh no, they had a Buffalo, uh Gazelda. I can't I can't it's Gazelda, there's the name of the group, but I can't think of the solo one. But he has his own wrestling promotion. No, not Benny, it's the one the other ones. It's not Benny. I can't oh shoot. I'm drawing a blank on his name. But because he just had a season desist with WWE because he used WWE, because he was big into WWE, but I think he went with AEW, he did uh he was up did a parents with AEW, and WWE sent him sis and desists, but yeah, he had his own promotion. I didn't know Dizza had his own too. You just shot the hell out of me. It's not Benny, but one of the members of his Zelda has his own wrestling promotion. But the NWO, it also carried, it also kind of hurt the WCW at some point because we go back to so many chefs in the kitchen, it was so many different NWOs.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

I'm gonna have to eat my words right now because it is not smoke dizzel that has fourth gun. West side gun. Oh, yeah, thank you. And that's fourth row. Okay, cool. Yeah, okay,

Montreal Screwjob Lasting Fallout

SPEAKER_02 55:16

that's fourth row. Okay. I knew it was a member, I can think of his name to save my life. I'm just trying to think of where the hell I think it's smoked dizzy from because I just read something about him, and now I'm like, okay, I'm getting all these names confused. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

Uh, but I don't think, and you can tell

Big E And The New Day Ripple

SPEAKER_00 55:31

me if I'm wrong, because again, you know more than me. I don't think DX become as as popular as they are without NWO. I don't think WCW becomes what it is without NWO.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

WCW would have never become the the impactful force that they were if the NWO had not come along. They were just barely coasting by.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Let me refer to this. If Hogan doesn't join NWO, because I think like they could have still had an NWO and it wouldn't, none of this would have happened. Hogan made Hogan made NWO. Cabin Nash and Scott Hall made NWO cool, but Hogan made it with the popularity to it. So I just think that changes the wrestling of history.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Have you ever heard of the other option that they were gonna go with if Hogan had refused to do it?

SPEAKER_00 56:22

No.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Sting.

Braun Breakker Injury Timing

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Really?

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Yeah. I never heard that. Yeah, it was gonna be sting if Hogan

Big E Injury And New Day Futures

SPEAKER_02 56:31

would have refused to do it. And again, same thing. I don't feel like it would have been.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

It wouldn't have never made it the same thing. Yeah. And it but Sting later on joining NWO, that made that storyline felt special because he resisted for so long. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

But yeah, no, I think I don't think, again, you can tell me if I'm wrong. Wrestling hit like a mainstream during there, that time, which

CM Punk Never Walks Out

SPEAKER_00 57:00

it already had before, but it had kind of gone away. Yeah. Then it came back. Yep. I don't think it comes back if Hogan doesn't join NWO.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

I think the the money that TKO is getting from WWE now, they would have never been able to get if Hogan didn't join the NWO.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

Yeah. Wrestling would not have had that second wind. And that second wind, like for as big as the golden age of wrestling was, you know, in the 80s and things leading up to like 93 or so. That wasn't nothing compared to the attitude era, NWO era, like all that stuff. That yeah, if that doesn't happen, wrestling, I don't feel like wrestling as it is right now would even be anything like it is.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

No, not even close. No. They the money WrestleMania being a two-night event would never would never be a thing. I don't I don't

Braun Breakker And Current Storylines

SPEAKER_00 57:57

I don't think I could be wrong, but I don't think. So

Ranking The Final Top 10

SPEAKER_00 58:00

yeah, that's why it's my number one.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

And that's also why it was my number one.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

So collectively, I feel like we is it this, is it Hogan joining NWO or is it the Montreal school drive? Because they I feel like they both gotta, it's either it's one of them's one, the other one's two, is vice versa.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

I'm gonna have to go with NWO being number one. Okay. And Brett number two. Okay. And uh because wrestling, yeah, it would have changed the landscape if Brett had never, you know, gotten screwed like that. School. But not to the not to the degree that it changed with with Hogan and the NWO.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

Okay. So and Hogan joined the NWO, school job. What do you think should be third? I have a bunch of wow ones. Yours was more like realistic. Like I had Stone Cole going to TNA, Shawn Michaels now going WCW, I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Owen and Eddie. Number three. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Oh, oh, oh.

Hogan Turns And NWO Is Born

SPEAKER_02 59:23

I don't know if it's too late to put this on our list.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

It's not.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

It's good. Because there is something else that affected wrestling in such a huge way that we did not discuss. That's probably because nobody ever brings up the name anymore.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Chris Benoit.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

There we go.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

Should we put him with Owen and Eddie or should we put that separate?

SPEAKER_02 59:45

I feel like that's separate because when like when Eddie passed away, you know, everybody was like, you know, it did have something with the heart and the steroid use and the things like that. But what Benoit did was so it wasn't painful. Fucking intense that that was when they were finally like, okay, maybe concussions are a real issue. Maybe these these painkillers and all these fucking steroids and things are actually really a problem, and we need to reel this in, and we need to like because that's when they would the uh the the wellness policy really became people want to miss to go to jail for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Yeah. Not well, for steroids, the steroid use and all of that, yeah. Not for Chris Benoit, but if okay, so school job, and then you wanna go Chris Benoit next, or you wanna go ONE to next?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

I would almost have to go Benoit next. Okay, Chris. Yeah, Chris Benoit.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Okay. Um course we got the obvious Cena never turned hill. Uh WCW. Should we late should we WCW Vince never buying it or them leaving it as separate companies? Vince never buying it.

unknown 1:01:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

Yeah. I don't know, man. If they would have ever just left it as separate companies, I still think it would have eventually they would have merged them together. Yeah, you've seen what happened when they tried to leave ECW alone. Yeah. That did not go well.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:23

So we got one, two, three, four, we got five. We need five more. Uh I think you had a good one. CM Punk. Oh, CM Punk uh Never Walks Out? Yeah. Okay. Do you think it's after Owen and Eddie? Oh, definitely. Okay. Do you think it's after Vince by C WCW? Yes. Okay, so I'll put it there so that'll be CM Punk Never Walks Out. Okay, cool. So six. We need four more. Like I said, uh oh, we both had Finn Never Getting Hurt. Finn Balor never getting hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Oh, Finn, yes. So we gotta we have to put that on. You know who else we had too? Big E.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

Oh okay. So why did I just tell if his name is Baylor? He is not a school in the Texas. My apologies. Okay, and then Big E. All right, cool. Two more. Do we do we want to do the obvious with John Cena never turned the hill or we won't go? Or sing the WWE sooner.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

Yeah, sing the WWE sooner.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

Uh above the injuries with Big E F and Bella, or below. Okay, so that'd be nice. So we need one more to close out the list. Or we could just say Sean Michaels never gets hurt.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

I like the man's TKO.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:40

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

Is that below sting? Yes. Okay. Cool. So that's the list.

Final List Recap And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

Alright, cool. So number one, Hogan never joins

Benoit’s Aftermath And Wellness Policy

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

the NWO. Two, the Montreal Schooldrive. Three, Chris Benoit. Four, Owen and Eddie. I was gonna say Owen and Eddie Hart. Owen Hart and Eddie Guerrero. Vince never buys WCW. CM Punk never walks out. Big E never gets hurt. Finn Balor never gets hurt. Steam goes to WWC, WWE sooner, and Vince never sells to TKO. Our top 10 what-ifs in wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

I feel like we did a good job. I'm saying. And there's so many more that people can come up with. Yeah, that's there's a lot of what-ifs. Man, there's always the what-ifs. So many of them. I feel like we did our thing. I think so. I think we did good.

unknown 1:04:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:49

Well, that's your job. You already know the back. Thank you. Show boy, Mr. Bell. Aka AK say your name, home is fi. Might not with you to my. Thank y'all for listening to respectfully. You're wrong. We catch y'all next day.