Respectfully, You're Wrong
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Respectfully, You're Wrong
We Rank The Moments That Made Us Say What Were They Thinking
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Some wrestling moments don’t just miss, they change how you watch the product. We sit down and build our Top 10 list of the most disappointing moments in wrestling history, digging into WWE and WCW booking decisions that killed momentum, wasted years of buildup, or left fans staring at the screen asking, “For who and for what?”
We jump from legendary what-ifs like Scott Hall never getting a world title run to modern frustrations like uneven WrestleMania builds and endings that feel rushed. We also get into the moments that still make people mad decades later: The Undertaker streak ending and what it meant once the streak was gone, Starrcade 1997’s bungled finish, the failed promise of the Invasion angle, and the Fingerpoke of Doom as the symbol of creative freefall. Along the way we talk presentation problems, including why a debut can fall flat even when the talent is money, and why exposing the “behind the curtain” side of wrestling can make it harder to buy into anything.
We don’t dodge the uncomfortable parts either. We discuss racially tone-deaf angles, how lazy “heat” damages careers, and why it feels like certain wrestlers get protected while others get sacrificed, including the lasting debate around Brock Lesnar squashing Kofi Kingston. If you love pro wrestling, this is part rant, part history lesson, and part group therapy.
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Cold Open And The Premise
SPEAKER_01Yes. Welcome to another episode of Respectfully, You're Wrong. Yeah, don't I I wanted to say something about work here too, but I ain't even gonna say it. What's up, Joe? What's going on, Ki? How you doing? I know what it is.
SPEAKER_03I do know what it is. We just talked a lot about what it is and what it ain't.
SPEAKER_01You know how bad it is? I didn't even do my normal intro. That's how I'm still like I just noticed that. Work is just what it is. But you already know it's your boy, Mr. Bell, aka say your name on the spot. Might not it's you, my that's me, and that's Joe.
SPEAKER_03And I'm Joe. And that's that's who it is. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_01Just like visible orders, they just all right. Anyway. So look. You can't see me. John Cena orders all the time. It's John Cena for you go, dog. Let's okay, we're gonna do top 10 most disappointing moments in the wrestling.
SPEAKER_03Yes, yes. And I don't know about you, man. We're in there making up that list. Like I, of course, you know, I go to Google to try to get some reminders of things that I might have forgotten. And the problem is there are so many that you gotta narrow it down, be like, is this the most disappointing moment, or is it just one of those moments where you just shook your head, like, what was we doing? So there'll be some honorable mentions. We already talked about that, but there's definitely gonna be some.
Mae Young Had A Hand
SPEAKER_01There's a bunch of uh that was a WTF moment, uh, but is it worse than this one? I think that's what it a lot of it boiled down to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it really does.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, but uh, can I start off with an honorable mention? Absolutely. Mate Young had a hand, bro. Why did you just beat me to it?
SPEAKER_03Bro, I was not what I was gonna say. I'm gonna say my honorable mention is Mae Young had a hand. My whole thing was just about that. I'm glad we on the same patch. What the f was that? And hold up, but who was the father?
SPEAKER_00Who was the I forgot she had a father? Sexual chocolate.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's right. Matt Young was getting piped down by Mark Henry in this storyline, y'all.
SPEAKER_01I forgot all about the father. I just remember her having a hand.
SPEAKER_02She had a hand, though.
SPEAKER_01And I wrote that down early on the list because I didn't even remember everything that went around it. I just remember Mae Young had a hand. Yeah, that's all I remember. I was like, what?
SPEAKER_03When I was looking through the list, I seen that, and I'm like, I don't think that goes on to my list, but it's something to at least keep in my mind because it was, yeah, it was one of those WTF, like what who sat down in the creative room was just like, all right, hear me out though. I got an idea. And then somebody else was like, I'm a green light, that idea.
SPEAKER_01This had to go through multiple checkpoints and they still went with it. Mae Young, an elderly lady at the time, yeah, popped out of hand.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Can you imagine if they'd have had that uh the WWE Unreal show back then for some of these like creative decisions that they had? That you'd have seen the behind-the-scenes meetings of this stuff and a bunch of dudes sitting around this table with the whiteboard back there, and they writing it down, and they're like, All right, uh what do you think, Michael Hayes? Michael Hayes just sitting over there drinking his hand, like, I think we make the bitch pop a hand out and fucking bench just sitting over in the corner, you know what I'm saying? Like, fucking brilliant. Yeah, fucking brilliant. Give him a raise. I mean, obviously, I don't know who who came up with the idea, but but yeah, in the end, Vince signed off on it.
WWE Unreal And Killing Kayfabe
SPEAKER_01Whoever came up with it, and whoever for who went for what? I know, right? I'm gonna say for who went for what a lot on this list because a lot of this stuff don't make sense. But I have another honorable mention.
SPEAKER_04Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01And you just said it www.real. Why?
SPEAKER_03So why last night I'm sitting over with my girl and we're going through Netflix, and that pops up on there. She knows how much I love wrestling. And she looks over at me and she's like, I get this feeling like you want to watch this. And it's like, you know, for as much as I love wrestling, I never want to watch that. Have you? Have you?
SPEAKER_01I've seen clips of it, and that's the thing that annoys me is because I don't want to see the clips of it. It's we all know it's the storylines is fake. Yeah, you know that. You know the action in the ring is real, yeah, but the storylines is fake.
SPEAKER_03When you do a WWE Unreal, you kill all of it, and it's not even just the like it, yeah, you kill all of it, but you create another element to the how real is unreal? So my point, like you see some things in there where you're just like, are y'all trying to like create a whole nother storyline in the storyline by acting like it's not a storyline, like this is real, this is real life, this is how we really feel. It's like, I don't trust you to get in front of a camera and be authentic. I'm sorry, because y'all are constantly trying to sell, it's your job to sell me into a story. So, by any means, no matter what channel, what outlet you have to use to sell me into said story, you're gonna use that. You should, but yeah, it just makes it hard for me to ever look at unreal and be like, damn, can you believe that?
SPEAKER_00No, no, I can't.
SPEAKER_01There's no realistic possible way I'm supposed to believe this. But yeah, I feel like it is killing so much of what's supposed to be hidden. Yes, let that whatever happens behind them curtains stay behind them curtains. Yeah. And we found about it, I found out about it five to ten years later.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's cool. Yeah. I feel like that's fine. I don't want to know about it now.
SPEAKER_02No.
Ric Flair Heart Attack Angle
SPEAKER_01So yeah, those are my honorable mentions of disappointing moments of wrestling. That's too hard. If you have more.
SPEAKER_03The only other one that I have is I'm gonna have to say the Ric Flair heart attack angle. I don't know if you remember that from back in WCW. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, they played like Ric Flair was having a heart attack in the ring. Like he came out there and he was just he was so in Ric Flair mode. Like he was like Ric Flair, the persona, times 100. Okay. And so they act like, you know, like this man just had a heart attack in the ring. Thing is, you know, he'd already had all these medical issues going on. And it was supposed to like build to a story of somebody poisoned him, what's going on, and all this shit. But people were so just kind of like irate over the idea that they had to drop it, and the next week he came out like I'm fine. So okay, I understand that one.
Scott Hall Never Gets The Gold
SPEAKER_00All right, you want to go first in me? Uh, I can go first. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01Sky Hall never being a champion. I feel like as a legendary a figure as Scott Hall is, I feel like at least a world champion ring, whether it was WCW or WWE, should have been planned. It should have happened. Don't get me wrong, everybody loved him, the person, the the uh persona that he was. So it's not, it didn't never take away from him, but I feel like he deserved that moment.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like I said, the outsiders, the uh NWO, what you know I'm saying, uh I'm drawing the blank on his name, uh, Roger Ramon. Yeah, he had it all, right? And he's not, he's not forgotten about, he's gonna always be remembered. He's one of the greats, but I just feel like he deserved a world title run. So yeah. My number 10 is guy. Never having a world title run.
SPEAKER_02I'm trying to think of okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think, you know. Is he the most popular person that never won a world title?
SPEAKER_03I feel like it's between him and Kurt Henning.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. I think him and Kurt Henning were the two people that should have won a world. I just had to look it up to see if he ever was the AWA champion. He wasn't. Ironically, he was the AWA champion tag team champion with Kurt Henning. Oh yeah, both of them too got shat on, man. When he came to WCW as the outsiders, I don't want to say that at that point he didn't deserve it, but I think at that point it was almost like he maybe he was accepting of the idea that he was just gonna be like this role, this character, and never achieve that status on his own. But while he was Razor Ramon, that man absolutely should have gotten a world title. Yes. Man, he that character, but even in WCW, of course, Hogan won.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Bearish won.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Why could he never give Hall? How it's like he was always looking at the second fiddle in whatever formation of NWO you had. Because you know it was so dragged on many. But he's he didn't he didn't deserve to play second fiddle to nobody.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01And I'm not saying, of course, like, you know, that's how it was supposed to be presented, but that's how it felt, like he was second fiddle.
SPEAKER_03No, I really did too. I think that sometimes they use the oh god, that just I had to ride off my thought just, but I think that sometimes they looked at him almost as too much of a liability with his known, like, you know, okay substance abuse and things like that, that maybe they were hesitant to. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Jeff Hardy got one. Well, Jeff Hardy got a couple.
SPEAKER_03Just seeing. I know. Very valid point. Very, very valid. That's not the full shade in Jeff Hardy.
SPEAKER_01No, whatsoever.
Real Life Addiction Used For Heat
SPEAKER_03But you're making a very valid point there. Um, honorable mention here while you just heard you know, brought up Scott Holland and made me think about it. Disappointing is when they took his substance abuse stuff in WWE, when he went back to WWE. Or you know, do you remember when Stone Cold locked him in the beer room? No. Yeah. Locked him in like a like, you know what I'm saying, with all the kegs in there with that refrigerator. They keep all the kegs and stuff in. Yeah. I didn't know they did that. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna have to find this.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it was bad, man. That never look up a history of how bad they used to be towards like the people like Jake Roberts, man, where he was fighting uh Jerry Lawler. Yeah. And Jerry Lawler took a bottle, like a fifth. It was supposed to be sweet tea. It wasn't sweet tea. And just poured it down his throat. This is why the man is like literally going through treatment for his problems. Oh yeah. Um, I know you know about was it hawk or animal? I can't remember which one. Who? Road Warriors. Okay, the one that had him up on top of the Titan Tron, acting like he was wasted. Yeah. Same type of thing, man. They just used his condition and the outside that he was battling and just were like, hey, we're gonna turn this to an angle and be drunk up on top of the Titan Tron.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. No, I know I didn't know nothing about that one. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm gonna have to find this. But when I said Jeff Hardy, it made me think of another arm another honorable mention. Oh, the Matt Hardy edge and leader hoes situation. That's another honorable mention of yeah.
SPEAKER_03That one wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't real.
Why WrestleMania Builds Feel Sloppy
SPEAKER_01And they use it as a storyline. Man, like why are y'all using that as a real storyline? Okay, but yeah, my number 10. In all the article it's just they just ain't gonna fuck at all.
SPEAKER_03My number 10 is gonna be hitting close to home currently. It's the build to WrestleMania 42.
SPEAKER_00We're at 42.
SPEAKER_03I think we're at 42.
SPEAKER_01Let me look that up while you while you explain.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, WrestleMania 42. Okay, cool. Yep, yeah, yep, yep. I mean, I know there's been injuries and things going on that have kind of just but I feel like with the attendance issues that they're facing, you know, like ticket sales being down and everything. I feel like they're in panic mode right now. They are, and the panic mode is showing badly. It's like they can't they can't get from point A to point B without jumping over to point F and then somehow circling over to point Q, and then they're gonna make it back around to C, maybe at some point right before the show. Who knows? Yeah, only time will tell, but it's just gotten really I don't know if I want to use what I should I say sloppy?
SPEAKER_01I think sloppy would be a yeah, just like it's still it's not intentional sloppiness.
SPEAKER_03No, there's still entertainment value to be seen in a lot of it.
SPEAKER_01But because of injuries and because of a lot of facts, they having to pivot a lot. Yes, and they're doing multiple pivots. But if anybody that watched basketball keep doing moving your pivot foot too many daggone times, you move the other foot, it's a travel. So it's a it's gonna be a turnover. So that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03And he knows that. I don't. I'm glad he was able to do that because you know what I'm saying.
Finn Balor’s One And Done Title
SPEAKER_01You move it foul ball. If you move that pivot foot, it's done. It's travel. So it's turnover. But yeah, I agree with you. But I'm not gonna say nothing. Because it's further up my list. I know it is. I know it is. I'm just not gonna say nothing. I'm just gonna go to my number nine. Go ahead. And my number nine is Finn Balor never getting back into the world title pitcher. He won he won the first underscore, he was the first undisputed champion. Had to relinquish it the next day. Came back and has never done nothing.
SPEAKER_03You remember that match against Seth Rollins? Yes. When his shoulder popped out, that man just sat there and was like, boom, popped it right back. Popped it right back in and finished the match?
SPEAKER_01And never win. Like his shoulder was never just out of place? Yeah. Just finished the match. Yeah. And then never got back.
SPEAKER_00How you like you see what he did in the ring that night? Yeah. And you had faith in him to win it that night.
SPEAKER_03Well, after that, he was just like.
SPEAKER_00Never got it. Just never got it again.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Don't even make sense.
SPEAKER_01None. Why you why you have faith in him then, but then don't have faith in him ever again. Vin Dollar got it all.
SPEAKER_03I'm saying it's not like you can sit there and say, oh, we're afraid it was a liability or a risk, because I don't want to sound rude with this, but Seth Rollins gets a world title and will get injured within like six weeks or six. You know what I'm saying? Again, no disrespect, man.
SPEAKER_01But I mean we just call it spades, respectfully. Yeah, respectfully. We just, you know what I mean? We do it everything. We lean with respect. But the man that Joe ain't lying. Zephy hurt a lot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he does. And for you know, and but he still gets those shots because he does deserve them. But also, why doesn't Finn deserve at least one other shot? And I guess he did, he did, he did just get a shot.
SPEAKER_01But we knew he wasn't gonna win it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's that's the problem there.
SPEAKER_01That's the thing. He he had a shot, but he never he we knew he wasn't gonna win it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So we can't even count that as a shot, like a legitimate chance of him eventually.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah.
Danhausen Debut That Fell Flat
SPEAKER_01That's all it was, was a filler. Yeah. So, yeah, my number nine is Finn Balor, never getting another opportunity. I like that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm keeping it a little bit closer home again with this. The number nine, y'all did Dan Housing wrong. A box. A box. I mean, I know everybody's been saying that by now, so it's just kind of regurgitated when I say it, but if he I don't have no problem with him. I think he's hilarious, I think he's gonna be a great character, a great asset in that sense. I've not seen him wrestle really, so I can't speak on his wrestling credentials. But for him to just come out there and just you have him pop out of this crate and just walk out, and you have all these, you know, like the Elvira dancing girls, whatever that is, around him, and then he just kind of comes to the ring. That's not that's not gonna get him over with anybody. You're just gonna piss a bunch of people off. Like, and you did because a lot of people was like, oh, what's in the crate? It's not gonna be Chris Jericho, no matter how many times y'all think it was. Sorry. I don't think Chris Jericho would have allowed them to do that to him. Yeah, no, I think he has way more than the yeah.
SPEAKER_01Here's my thing. You talked about this. I don't think I don't think Dan Houser was the problem. I think it's the fans was the problem in this scenario because in fact, like shout out to my boy Dion. We do from my perspective.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We before the before Dion said Prop Bat, who you think was gonna be in there? And I said, Oh, it's Dan Houser. He said, Yeah, I know it's Dan House, too. Who didn't know it was gonna be Dan Houser? What the fans ruined that moment. Imagine if he's if he's from Chicago, it also makes sense for him. He's CM Punk's boy. He's from Chicago, so he it makes sense for him to debut in his hometown. Yeah, cool. I guess maybe they could have put him in a match or something.
SPEAKER_03I wish they would have brought him in, like some kind of like a comedic, you know what I'm saying? Like maybe in a backstage thing, or uh did you ever see him debut in AEW? He was just hiding under the ring, and then they like pulled him out from under the ring. Something like that. Yeah, and it's just something like you're like, as Danhausen, you know, like it goes along with his character and who he is. Because, like, who talking about, you know, like the next night he's on Raw and he does that little like the one minute something thing with uh Adam Pierce and then um Judgment Day and Dom. And everybody's like, oh my god, this dude is great. It's like, yeah, he is, he's gonna be fucking awesome because that's who he is. That dude that y'all just saw come out of a crate, that was somebody else's really bad idea on how can we debut this guy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_03That's not on Dan House at all.
SPEAKER_01Also, with the like his moment he had with the Miz that same week, and with um not Adam Pearce, I can't think of the uh Nick Aldis. Him and Nick Alders had the moment, and then Nick was like, Here, you need a mentor? Here, go to Miz. Miss.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I haven't seen this yet. I'm gonna have to take that hand.
SPEAKER_01It's exactly it goes along with the raw situation. Yeah, it's good. I think, like you said, it's the presentation of how they did it. Then I also think it was the fans. The fans building up their you hoping it was for something else that you should have known it wasn't gonna be. So then he's getting booed. Oh, he really shouldn't have got booed because he was a problem. No, no, so okay, yeah, but yeah, no, I like that as well. I like that as a pick.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
When Creative Crosses Racial Lines
SPEAKER_01Okay, on to my number eight. Yeah, you would think this would be higher for me, but it's not in the n-word. Remember, I said I was gonna say for who and for what a lot for who and for what? Whose idea was that? Whose idea thought it was cool? At what point did that you ever think that was a good idea? Somebody we always talk about I'm gonna go through a lot of how hard for a minute, give me a second. We always talk about representation in rooms. Uh-huh. This is the definition of representation in rooms.
SPEAKER_04Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01Because there should have been a representation in the room. It should have been somebody in that room that with that was black, they looked at you and said, You know, that's not a good idea, right? Because you wouldn't even have said that idea more than likely if it was representation in that room. But you did. Because you wouldn't have been embarrassed because you would have been embarrassed to say that in front of somebody. What do you think if we do this? No. But that was also this was around the hand time. They was reaching for stuff. They was reaching for comic relief.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They was trying. They were trying to still keep that edginess of the attitude era. But they didn't have any substance to go along with it. So they just start reaching for how can we be edgy? How can we be, you know what I'm saying, like provocative or whatever, shocking. And yeah, I guess once you've done had a woman pop out of hand, you know, you gotta figure out what's next, and that's that's when uh that's when Vince was wearing the do-rag. Yep.
SPEAKER_01All around the same time. Yeah. But well, you think it would be higher on my list. But it I had to, it's number eight. Don't worry, it's gonna be more racial stuff later in my list.
SPEAKER_03It's kind of crazy that you can like you can look at them and how many different times that they did something like that. Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_04What the fuck? There's nobody in here that told y'all no? I'm saying, nobody.
SPEAKER_01Even cool, please. Cool. That was my number eight.
Jeff Hardy Shows Up Not Ready
SPEAKER_03My number eight. Jeff Hardy at Victory Road 2011. Do you know about that? No. Oh my lord, bro. You have to go back and like YouTube, Jeff Hardy at Victory Road 2011. He came out to that ring so geeked. I'm talking like just fucked up.
SPEAKER_00He had a match with uh Sting. Sting, I think I remember that now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And they just pretty much called an audible, you know what I'm saying, and had Sting just come out there and do the Scorpion Death Drop on it and pin it. It's so bad that that's probably one of the only times that you'll see Sting get out of the ring and like people fans were chanting bullshit. And he's like, Yeah, I know it is. You're right.
SPEAKER_01I think I remember that. Something like he had he did that in a taxi mess, too. He probably did. I think that's horrible to say, he probably did. I feel like it's a documentary that I remember in the top of my head now that I feel like they talked about Jeff Hardy and his issues. And I feel like I now I feel like I'm remembering this now, but I'm yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Yeah, dude, Jeff.
SPEAKER_01Uh like we talked about earlier. Scott never got his, but Jeff certainly got his. Just say it.
SPEAKER_03I wonder if that was the last time. I need to look that up. If that was the last time he won a world title, though. Or that was an advertisement. Yeah, he's in that picture. Because after that.
AJ Styles Retirement Without Celebration
SPEAKER_01Yep. Yeah. My number seven, Ajax South's retirement. I feel like it was just and I I'm disappointed in it be I guess I'm disappointed in the wrestling fan aspect of it because he had this great career and it just kind of ended.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It just kind of just ended. I thought for sure like it was just gonna be his WWE career ending. I was like, oh, his WWE career is ending, he still wants to go and do some stuff over in New Japan, you know, and possibly go back to TNA for like a match or two, and then you find out later on, like, oh, he's got neck issues. It's like damn, excuse me. But like like that, like that's just the end of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's just done and it's over. And he's like, I won't be a full-time dad, which I can't knock nobody wanting to be a full-time dad. Yeah, I just wish we we would have been able to celebrate it more. Yeah, I think that's what my issue, the disappointment factor is. We should have been able to celebrate it more because he deserved more. Yeah, so that's why it's on my list.
SPEAKER_03It's like we all knew like what like it was this year, yeah. Like it was this year, but I don't think anybody was prepared for it to be the beginning of this year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was over. Yeah, it's like John Cena retired, and it's like we didn't even get the opportunity because we had this whole year of John Cena. Yeah, we didn't get the opportunity to do the same thing for AJ Styles. Yeah, because AJ, but uh AJ knew, AJ knew, and I guess I don't know, he just didn't want it or whatever the case may be, but I felt like he deserved more. Yeah, so yeah, that's my number seven, AJ Styles.
Hogan Steals WrestleMania 9 Spotlight
SPEAKER_03My number seven is Hulk Hogan versus Yokozuna at WrestleMania 9. I don't know if you know this one. I don't know it, but why is it disappointing? It's because of the Bret Hart versus Yokozuna. Oh, okay. Was the match. Okay. And then just out of nowhere, they decide, well, we we need somebody to come back here, you know, and be a top guy. So Hogan, come on back. And here comes old Hogan to the rescue and gives us that. That was just a disappointment. I don't even know how to put it into words. It was like, come on, man. I felt like at that point, Hogan, not to because obviously he went on to be, you know, Hollywood or whatever, but the character of Hulk Hogan at that point, they had already drained that shit so badly. And they just kept running back to that same well and kept running back to that same well, and it was like, nobody wants this anymore. Nobody wants this anymore. Y'all keep going back to this same person that we're already like do something different with his character, you know, turn him bad, whatever. But they just kept on, you know, like, oh god, we'll just keep on throwing it back in your face. You'll accept it this time. I think he like he won it at WrestleMania, and then by King of the Ring, he lost it and was gone. Again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay. So it made it wasn't the match. No, not so much the match.
SPEAKER_03Because the match was a very short one, if I recall.
SPEAKER_01It was everything around the match and what should have been the match. Yeah. So it was like they was just switching up the storyline to make a better profit to have for WrestleMania. It just felt like that sounds so funny.
SPEAKER_03I know, right? Like, well, when you put it like that, my bad. Like, damn. Are we still talking about WrestleMania in nine? Yeah, sorry.
SPEAKER_01My bad. But yeah. Okay, so everything around the match has made it to this point. Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
Booker T Loss Still Hurts
SPEAKER_01So yeah, okay, now I'll say it. Alright, cool. I'll be giving you my number six. Hey. Booker T losing to Triple H in 2003 at WrestleMania for the world title. And the reason that it's here is because Triple H said people like you don't deserve titles. Again. I said Race was gonna come back. Who in this room was Triple H that desperate for heat back then?
SPEAKER_03I wasn't watching a lot of it back then, so this is like new to me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Triple H basically played. I don't want to say he played the he played the race card, but he wasn't trying to play the racist.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But that's why a lot of people now have that stigma against Triple H for racist, because of it started killing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then he didn't want to put certain people over as well. You hear later in background stories. So yeah, they let that, they let who let that go through. Again, Booker T. Why are you letting stuff go through? As much as I love Booker T, you know how much I love Booker T.
SPEAKER_03Every time he talks about this, all I hear in my head, though, is you remember Booker T saying, Hulk Hogan, we're coming for you. Yeah. Yeah. That shit was funny.
SPEAKER_04It was so hilarious, man.
SPEAKER_01But and then you ask Booker T nowadays, and Booker T be like, man, I ain't see nothing wrong with it. What do you why didn't you see nothing wrong with that? And I don't go, I believe he's just protecting the company, but if you asked give him some true serum, he probably would have been like, nah, man, we shouldn't do this. Because the stuff they was doing then, they would never do now.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Never. You couldn't, you could never do it now. I don't even think you could let something like that ride in the 80s. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I don't know because I watched the promo of Hogan. It just kind of like started going around again. Did you see the promo where he was talking about a I wanted to say it was junkyard dog? And I can't even remember like specifically everything he said, but it was just like what you're talking about, like your kind don't belong. Yeah, okay. It was like that, but on just steroids.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. Yeah. So maybe you could get away with it. You could get away with a nail. But I just it's a bad look and it's a bad, it's it's it's in poor taste.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's also laziness.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Triple H could get heat any other way. He didn't have to go that route to get heat. Now, some people, I read that some people believe Triple H wasn't in charge of his character at that time.
SPEAKER_03His character was being you know who was in charge of everything at that point and had the final say.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. This is what they're saying. So they say they wasn't actually him. Whatever the case may be, somebody should have stepped in and said, hey, this ain't a good thing.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_01But all the good things Vince does, there's a lot of bad things that Vince does.
SPEAKER_03That's the hardest part about Vince, man. Like you look at Vince and you're just like, he did all this great stuff. And then there's this pile over here that you're like, it's so hard to ignore this. You know? Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's my number six. My number six.
SPEAKER_03John Cena's heel turn. I know I don't know if they started out with an idea, like an end game, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is where we're going to with this, and then just over time it just never took to that point. But yeah, like I remember watching it after, you know, when he turned at the Elimination Chamber and he did that, and I thought, that's pretty damn good. Way to go. Can we get Travis Scott out of the ring, please? I don't think he needs to be here. It has nothing to do with any of this. That's go on. But I just don't know if it's like he doesn't have it in him to be that character or or what it was.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So this is higher on my list. But I won't talk about it now though. If that's cool with you. Yeah. And I we just taught, we'll just, I just said where it goes. They're on my list. I don't the actual heel turn was never the problem. It was the execution following the heel turn was the issue. Because they didn't have once you once you knock off the Travis Scott thing, which they try to act like Travis Scott was busy. When Travis Scott was busy, he just didn't pick up on the wrestling stuff aspect of it as quick. He actually gave Cody Rose a black eye. Like he didn't understand the wrestling aspect of it, the entertainment aspect of it, compared to like your bad money. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's the issue. And then you use The Rock in this situation. The rock never has time. The Rock didn't set time or set time aside like John Cena did to do his storyline or do this retirement tour. If there was some type of in-betweens or some type of payoff, it would have made more sense. Yeah. But it was the actual idea of turning John Cena hill was brilliant. Yeah. The execution of it was stupid and horrible.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But it was factors that led to that. But my thing is you should have planned better.
SPEAKER_03Like when you go into that.
SPEAKER_01You should have had that planned out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Like you should have been like, okay, this is this is how we foresee this going. But you always need to have a plan B to keep that going. Yeah. It's like, what happens if we don't, like we're talking about right now, WrestleMania? So many have times you have to pivot. It's like we can plan for okay, this is the way we're gonna go. You know what I'm saying? We'll have like the rock involved in it or whatever, you know. But if the rock is unable to be involved in it, we still have this option we can go with over here so we can keep this heel turn momentum going. And it just felt like we don't know what to do. Go out there and try to be mean people or something, John. Yep. And John is just not. I mean, Mr. Make a Wish cannot, he doesn't have that bone in his body to do that. So it kudos to him for you know for being a team player and being like, Yeah, of course I'll do it. I'll do whatever we need to get done, you know. But yeah, somebody that just the ball got dropped after it happened.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. John Cena is known for being the ultimate team player. Yeah. And he's the ultimate, okay. If you give me this, I'm gonna make the best whatever out of it. I'm going to do that, and that's my ability. But like you said, there should have been a this is plan A. Okay, if we're gonna make him be a heel, let's have plan B and C. So it the storyline makes sense because at the end of the day, we all know he's gonna turn back to a baby face. Because he's not retiring yet.
SPEAKER_03He's not retiring bad, yeah. No.
Ending The Streak Then Overusing Taker
SPEAKER_01We already knew that, so it needed to be a plan. There was no, now there should have been more of a plan, but there wasn't a plan. The the execution of it. Also, I'm going to continue to say that some of the matches felt like they were thrown together. And even at the turn baby first, like him and the AJ style match, especially high-side being 2020, and you knew it was AJ was coming down the line. It should have been more storyline around there. I also don't think he should get squashed by Brock Lesnar the last time, but I know everybody builds to Brock Lesnar. Squashing people, which is gonna make multiple appearances on my list going forward, by the way. So I'm pretty sure you can make a whole list out of that, but so yeah, yeah, yeah. Much better. Yeah, no. All right, you ready for my number five? Yeah, Brock Lesnar in industry. Yeah. For who and for what? Why? Everybody wanted to build Brock Lesnar as this mythical character who never loses, but everybody else lose. Are you gonna have him because he came from MMA and he had these matches over there? He's gonna be able to beat all of us up, but we also watch him get his butt ripped apart in MMA. Like literally ripped apart. It's wrestling. The story, the outcomes is predictable. It's okay for Bark Lesnar to lose. So I was there. Oh, really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I was I was I was in that arena, man. I was the uh Superdome, right? Yeah, yeah. See, I'm about to pull a Hogan and call it Silverdome, man. I knew that wasn't right. I had to get myself. Yeah, I was there when that happened. There's like 70,000 people in this arena, man. That shit, you not. When they hit three, and everybody realized that we just watched that streak end, bro. You could have dropped a pen and heard it. He got so silent in this place. It was almost fucking eerie how quiet it was. And they put that graphic up, you know, it was like what 21 in one or something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then after that, it's like Undertaker, it also because it's a two-part. Because they also, Undertaker still kept wrestling at WrestleMania after the fact. Once the streak's over, we don't no longer need Undertaker to wrestle in WrestleMania. No. If you go into streak, Undertaker don't need to wrestle in WrestleMania no more. Because then it's just like we always gonna point back to that one loss, and then everything else gets everything after that to me is kind of like, uh, y'all just bought Undertaker in the sell tickets. That's it wasn't really no storyline.
SPEAKER_03And that's really all he was doing most of the times. I mean, which it's cool, but if the streak ain't there, it's kind of because they I mean, they had what, him and uh Roman? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Roman got overly pushed a lot early. Yeah, it almost made my list. Yeah. The overly pushed, because they forced Roman down our throats. But the Roman, like me, you talked about it before. The Roman we got now is not a Roman we had the complete opposite. It's clear if they had to start building towards that then. They want him to be a baby face.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01He's he's set to be a tweener.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. That's what he is. He's so bad wanted him to be like John Cena 2.0 and it was never winning. No, it's like this man's more like Stone Cold, y'all. Yep. Like, let him be him.
SPEAKER_01That's how you yeah. But yeah, the streak ending, if the streak ended in them Undertaker, if Undertaker never wrestled again, I don't think it would be as disappointing. As disappointing. I think it still probably would have, it probably would have still made my list, but it wouldn't be as high. He probably would have been honorable mentions.
SPEAKER_03Would it have made a difference if it was somebody else who had made him like lose the streak? I think it was the I whoo who no. Because there was talk at one point that he wanted, I feel like it was either Edge or Kurt Angle. He wanted them to beat him.
SPEAKER_01That's the thing. You got to the 20s at that point. Yeah, if you was gonna have him lose, you should have had him lose at like 14 or 15. Once you get to the 20s, yeah, he's two decades in at wrestling at WrestleMania and never lost. No, you just might as well continue it going. Or have that be Death Undertaker's last match.
SPEAKER_03That's what I'm saying. Yeah, have that be his last match. And have it be somebody that that kind of needs that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You know, they make Brock Lesnar into this character. John Cena, he smashed, he squashed John Cena. He's he beat, he did the streak, he done other squashes. Like, they make Brock Lesnar into this character. And it's like, uh I want to see who he's gonna fight this year at WrestleMania. It's an open challenge. And if yeah, and if it's not Obi, but here's the problem.
SPEAKER_03If you don't let Obi win, that's it. That's see, that's what I'm worried about. Is if they have him fight him and then they have Brock go over, you are killing Oba. Yeah, and that's that's your future.
SPEAKER_01He needs to lose, but they did that, they did that with him and Brock Leslie.
SPEAKER_00Um Bobby Lashley. Bobby should have won. Yeah, Bobby should have won, but they made Brock win.
SPEAKER_01They didn't do good with Bobby, they never done good with Bobby. No, that was gonna be my last uh honorable message. Was the failure of the booking of Bobby Lashley? Bobby Lashley. Because he had he had the look and he had then you put him with MVP, so he ain't even gotta talk.
SPEAKER_03No, because you can't sit there and be like, oh, it's because he couldn't talk. Well, you know, he ain't have to, you know. I mean, you got people that go with Paul Heyman because Paul Heyman can be the talk. You say MVP could be that mouthpiece for him.
SPEAKER_01He was there, and he they fumbled the heart business. That's another honorable mention. Hell, it might be my number ten. I might have the chances. The fumbling of Bobby Leslie. Okay. But yeah, for now, my number five. It's the undertaker in the streak.
WrestleMania 41 Ending Felt Rushed
SPEAKER_03What do I have? All right. My number five. I feel like I'm really just like shitting lately on WWE's recent product, the WrestleMania 41 ending. When John getting the title back. And it's not even so much that John got the title back. Okay. It is the way. Again, man, we brought out Travis Scott. People were expecting The Rock to come out there or something like that. We didn't get none of that stuff. It just felt so confusing.
SPEAKER_01Anticlimatic.
SPEAKER_03And yeah, yeah, thank you. Anticlimatic is like it's it's fine that, you know what I'm saying? John gets the title back. Nothing wrong. He needed to have that, you know, break the uh Ric Flair's record. But How we got to that just felt like thrown together so badly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I understand that. I don't know if I necessarily agree with it, but I do understand it. But it does go along with his whole the whole year of John Cena. Which is my number four. Was the retirement, the handling of John Cena's retirement. Yeah. So the heel turn and all of that and all of the matches. So yeah, that's my number four. So I say we ain't gotta really talk about it because we already went there. But yeah, my number four is John Cena.
Saudi Arabia Legends Match Money Grab
SPEAKER_02What am I on number four?
SPEAKER_03Oh I don't know if you've seen this one. Undertaker and Kane versus DX in Saudi Arabia. Yeah. Even Undertaker is came out and apologized for this match, y'all. This was a money grab.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say, this one, nothing but to sell tickets. Because Saudi Arabia said who we want on this card. And they ain't got no choice but to put them people on that card, dude.
SPEAKER_03Saudi Arabia wrote that check and they just said, Yes, whatever you want, we will do. Okay, Shawn Michaels, we're bringing you out of retirement. Yeah. And it was it was a disaster. You know, I don't think I've heard any of those four guys say anything positive about that match. They either don't speak of it, or like I say, you got Undertaker mean like, yeah, I'm really sorry about that.
SPEAKER_00What is there to speak positive about?
SPEAKER_03I know. Like I'm sure you get the paycheck.
SPEAKER_04That's about it. I was gonna say that's it.
Goldberg Title Squashes And Nostalgia
SPEAKER_01There's nothing really positive about. No. Oh, so yeah, no. Uh I respect that. Damn, that should have been that should have made my list. I forgot all about that. Damn, that should have made the list. It's definitely gonna be once we get once we do the recap, it's at least gotta be tier. I feel like it's at least gotta be tier. Maybe you can just put the Saudi Arabia. Uh no, we just put that. Okay, cool. Um my number three. Is it crazy to put a person? No. Goberg. I like that. My number three is Gobert because in fact he had again, Brock Lesnar situation. So many squash. He he had the squash match with Kevin Owens, where there was a title change. He had the same one with, I won't say it was the theme first. I think the theme was afterwards. I was reading about that one, yep. It was afterwards. Yep. He had the squash match to get the title going in so he could be the guy at WrestleMania. But why though? Because I don't feel like Goldberg was ever Goldberg later wasn't the Goldberg that should have came that would have sold if he had came right after WCW. I mean WW bought WCW. If he had come over then, would have been like oh yeah, because he was that in WCW. But once you get into those later years, I understand using the massadi to get the check. But do he really need a world title to get the check? I mean he goldberg.
unknownNah.
SPEAKER_01Nostalgia people gonna go, they're gonna go for it either anyway.
SPEAKER_03I feel like the best match that I ever seen in that part of like Goldberg's career, you know, the second installment, whatever, was the one with him and Brock at Survivor Series. Like, and and that wasn't for a title or nothing, it was just they was just wrestling, they was just wrestling, yeah. And it was just so refreshing, I guess, to see somebody like how you talk about Brock's beating the shit out of everybody and squashing them, and to finally see somebody, yeah. They squash Brock, yeah. Yeah, so it's like I guess it could have been anybody would all been happy, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think that's what it got boiled down to, but yeah, I don't know, man. Just the way I really it's Goldberg because of the Kevin Owens and the Fiend situation. Oh, that Kevin Owens thing is a straight crap. It was horrible same with Fiend. Kevin Owens was on the verge of being that dude. And then y'all have him just fumble it all away to Goldberg. Yep. Yeah, and again, Goldberg and WCW, we done did that list. He was high on my list, but Goldberg and WWE is kind of hit or miss, it's kind of blah. Yeah, so oh yeah, so yeah, my number three is uh Goldberg. I honestly thought you were gonna say Austin Theory beat real we I don't this no, I don't got that much problem with Austin Theory now.
SPEAKER_03I don't mind doing a person, I'm like, he's about to say Austin Theory.
SPEAKER_01No, it's not Austin. I don't, I think we talked about it when this was there, Austin was gonna get over. This is no longer there. Over almost saying your daddy's gone.
SPEAKER_04He did too. He did.
SPEAKER_01Your daddy's gone, he ain't here to save me.
SPEAKER_04He ain't been there to save you. Nope.
Starrcade 97 When Hogan Wouldn’t Lose
SPEAKER_03So yeah. My number three is Stark 97 main event Hogan versus Sting. And Hogan's inability to lose clean after two years of buildup for that match. Yeah. Like you. This was the pinnacle of what your company has been building to for a long time, and all you gotta do is just take the L. Just take that L, man. Just do it. And he couldn't put his pride to the side and just do that, and it screwed up everything, man. It made them look bad, so bad.
WrestleMania 42 Build Turns To Panic
SPEAKER_01Ego is a very dangerous thing, it is, and when you you got too big of an ego, especially in that profession, uh-huh, it'll destroy a lot of the storylines. Oh, yeah. Ego's a bad thing in general, but in that profession, when it's based off you got you're gonna have to put other people over at some point. Yeah, when you have that much ego where you can't allow yourself to do that, yeah, you're gonna kill storylines and all of that. So, yeah, no, man. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. You ready for my number two? I'm ready. WrestleMania this year. The build-up is a joke.
SPEAKER_03So we both got that one on the list, too.
SPEAKER_01And that's the thing, it's I it's crazy because they I just did it from yeah, shout out to Dia. We just did it from my perspective. He was like, What you think of the build-up? And I said, It's bad, but I understand it because it's a lot of injuries. But did this was recorded on a Thursday, me and Joe. I mean, me and Dion. Then on Friday, June McIntyre loses the championship to Cody, and now I'm just angry because that ain't got nothing to do with injuries. No, y'all just so word slow ticket sales. You know, the tickets is expensive. That's why the ticket sales are slow, and then you went back to Vegas.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. I was gonna say, you expensive as hell, and you've been back there twice in a row.
SPEAKER_01In which Vegas is expensive in general. So then you that's why your tickets and sales are slow. It ain't because of an actual product, it's because of everything that goes around that map. And then you let me not yell too much of this mic. The issue wasn't your storylines, the issue was everything surrounding it. There's no reason to force Cody into a championship match versus Randy Orton just because y'all think it's going to sell more.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01At this point, it's not. No. It's okay, it's okay for Cody to wrestle someone else at WrestleMania. You already got the Roman and CM Punk. Yeah. Which is the other thing, right? Roman came out the next night and said, after Royal Roman said, Yeah, I'm going out to CM Punk. It's like 11 weeks from now. So then it's like y'all got up, y'all got, then y'all had this Finn Balor match. It's like filler. Excuse me. We already knew what that was, but it was a good match. Yeah. It was a good match, but it was filler.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And I didn't know who we're getting at WrestleMania.
SPEAKER_01Even with that, Finn Balor had a match. I think was I think it's the last time he did the Demon character. Or it might not have been the last time. But he was in the match versus Roman when Roman was on his streak and he lost. But the rope just suddenly, the turnbuckle just fell. We could have had a triple threat, and I don't really, you know, I don't like triple threats. We could have had a triple threat for that because Finn Balor deserved his rematch. Could have let Finn Balor win it, win there, and then they had a they had a uh a triple threat at WrestleMania, and then boom, you know what I'm saying? Whoever win, win. I don't really care after that. Coming outside of on the other side, other side of it, Roman can win, CM Punk can win. I really don't care. Really ain't gonna make no difference to me. But to go to the CM Punk situation, I mean not CM Punk, go back to Cody. Cody should have never been in the world, type of picture. And then you got real Ripley and Jay Cargill going back and forth on the internet, and it's it's seeming real awkward now. It's like, uh, is Jay trying too hard? And then you hear all the reports that she don't get along with the people in the back. Oh, excuse me. What's Mania 42? Is just kind of like right now. I felt differently. If you had to meet this three days ago, my feelings was different. But now, after this Cody situation, I feel like everything's forced.
SPEAKER_03I I seen the uh the promo that they had with Rhea and Jade on SmackDown, and I felt like whatever heat, whatever build-up, you know what I'm saying, that they've had going on outside of the show, they kind of just shit on it. Like they really just like y'all could have had something that more organic than this WrestleMania 42.
SPEAKER_01Again, it all changed after SmackDown. And then you don't get me wrong, don't get me started on all these midcourt titles now. Because you got all these midcourt titles, you got Dom lose. I don't really understand why you had Dom los because him and Fit Balor, the obvious choice is for them to go against each other. Yeah. But I guess they're gonna do the triple A, which I would think, because Dom is holding the triple A world title. You broke that property. I would think you would want to showcase them somehow at WrestleMania. So maybe he's gonna fight somebody down there for the for that on I don't, I just don't know. Then a U.S. women's title. Sometimes I forget y'all had that one.
SPEAKER_03I was about to even say, who's got that right now? Julia. Julia? Okay.
SPEAKER_01But the plant again, injuries. Jay was supposed to face Bianca Belair. Yeah. Bianca's hurt. Bianca just she just had surgery, too. That's right. I was gonna say that finger, man. She just had surgery. You thought she been had surgery, she just had surgery. Yeah. So she's looking at like a SummerSlam return. So I don't know. But yeah, WrestleMania 42 is now my number, it's my number two.
SPEAKER_03It sucks, man. It's either gonna be something completely mind-blowingly good or it's gonna be horrible.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_03There ain't gonna be much in-between for this one.
SPEAKER_01You alright.
The Invasion Angle With Missing Stars
SPEAKER_03Number two. The invasion. Did you get it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It happened too. Body and their mama waiting on. And I get that a lot of the contracts for the bigger guys, you know what I'm saying? Like your Flairs, your Hogan's, your Nash's, your Goldbergs, these kind of people, like they were tied up in Time Warner contracts. So they didn't get bought with WCW. But you could have done something. I mean, I don't know. Maybe you could you have gone and maybe paid some money to these guys and got at least one or two of them in there.
SPEAKER_01I was just gonna say, if you had to get at least two of them. Right.
SPEAKER_03I'm pretty sure Rick Claire always needs money. Yeah, it goes with the story. It goes with the storyline. Yeah, I'm saying so. You could have brought him in there, you could have you could have done so much more. And then we just got some crap. And then they brought, you know, the ECW part of it, which wasn't any better. It did, it felt really forced.
SPEAKER_04It felt forced.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it had potential though.
SPEAKER_00It had so much potential though.
SPEAKER_01So much potential. I would have just kept WCW as his own brand. Yeah. Of course. That's hindsight being 2020. Yeah, I could see it now. Then I probably wouldn't have said the same thing, but hindsight being 2020. I probably just kept WCW as its own brand.
SPEAKER_03So there's the story that they wanted to keep WCW as its own, and they were gonna have WCW take over, uh take over like one of the spots, you know. And so as a test run, they put Buff Bagwell and Booker T in the main event of Raw. And had done so horrible that people in charge were like, there's no way that we will do this. Why'd you pick Buff Bagwell?
SPEAKER_01Was that the biggest name you I know, right?
SPEAKER_03No shade to Buff Bagwell, but I mean they had DDP and they waited to bring him out until some other crazy crap with you know Undertaker. But yeah, you could have done so much better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That should have that could have been you could have moved WCW to Tuesdays and then just ran wrestling instead of put doing the invasion angle. Like you say, I didn't know nothing about the contract situations. I just thought those dudes didn't come. That's what I thought it was.
SPEAKER_03I just thought this whole time I thought separate contracts that was owned by AOL time warner. So when they got bought, their contracts weren't bought, so they could literally just sit at home and ride those contracts out and get paid. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They was smart.
SPEAKER_03They was very smart.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Michael, you're from number one. Yeah. You have a guess? No. Because I don't have a guess at yours at all. That's I'm kind of curious.
Kofi Squash Raises Bigger Questions
SPEAKER_03What about Brock Lesnar who's gonna make multiple appearances? That's what I thought it was about to be. It's either gonna be Brock Lesnar.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Brock Lesnar smashing Kofi. Kofi deserved better. I'm not mad that Brock Lesnar won. I'm mad at how how Brock Lesnar won. I don't have the issue with Brock Lesnar winning. I would have loved for Kofi to win that, but I understand the dynamics of it. But on a SmackDown, the first on Fox, I believe. Yeah, it was the first on Fox.
SPEAKER_04And he won it like I was gonna say, how long did it take him? Like was it two? It was no more than a minute, was it? I feel like 90 seconds, maybe. Okay, was it two minutes? Possibly.
SPEAKER_03I don't it wasn't that long. Yeah, it wasn't long at all.
SPEAKER_01It what it Kofi deserved the actual world title defense. Yeah, he he carried the title, he that he got the fan support. Yeah, we all knew he was going to lose. We all knew that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you didn't have to do it like that.
SPEAKER_01You didn't have to do it like that, yeah. And that goes to a deeper problem in WWE. Why do you do certain stuff certain ways with certain people? You it's cool for him to lose, but why lose that way? That's all that's my number one. I ain't even gonna yell too much because I'm already coughing up a frog. Because I wanted to yell. I really wanted to yell, but I'm not gonna yell. That's my number one. And he does whatever y'all ask him to, and he loses in 90 seconds. On the debut of wrestling on Fox, so do you just set him back because he just got squashed?
SPEAKER_03It is almost like that company just does not know how to treat a black champion.
SPEAKER_01Proof never was a champion. World champion. Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. Like I said, we mistreated Bobby. Yeah. Even Booker T's runs was like, uh Okay. And then now you don't even have one that you could point to. You don't have an African American, because everybody's gonna say the Usos and all of that. They also know, they not black. But they not of African American history who's been at you know, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03They don't, they don't, they literally don't have one. No, they don't. There's no in here trying to think of like besides Kofi.
SPEAKER_01When was the last uh African American? Yeah, Big E had one after Kofi.
SPEAKER_03Big E had one, they did Bobby Bobby's.
Fingerpoke Of Doom And Wrap Up
SPEAKER_01I didn't know if it was it his was after Bobby's well, I think one of Bobby's was yeah, because Bobby had two title runs. I won't say one of his was after Kofi. I know for sure one of them is, maybe both of them was at the Kofi, but yeah, I think both of them was after Kofi, and then Big E had one too. Okay, so yeah. And then this is there's a whole storyline right there with Xavier where he's the only one that never got it. Yeah. That could capitalize on. He ain't even had a singles title run. He's never had a singles title run. Nope. He's only ever been attacking. Hogan. So yep. But yeah, that's my number one, Kofi getting smashed.
SPEAKER_03My number one is very tried and true and talked about way too much in wrestling. I'm sure you've done seen it on every list you went for. Fall down. I'm gonna win. I'm Hogan.
SPEAKER_04Oh sh. Damn.
SPEAKER_03I forgot about that. I'm so old I can't forget about that. Damn, I forgot about that. Banger poke of doom. I watched that live and I was so mad. It's like I watched him just doop, and he fell down. I thought, y'all gotta be fucking kidding me. Man, I'm turning this shit over raw. And I was diehard, I was diehard WCW, man. Even even with all the dumb shit they had done, you know. Like I said, Star K and everything, and 5,000 resurgences of NWO, and and then they just do this finger poke doom thing. Not to like, what was it? Like Goldberg was supposed to come out there and fight, and then he's like, Goldberg's out here harassing uh Miss Elizabeth. We gotta arrest him. It's like, huh? And then Hogan just shows up out of nowhere. He ain't been around in forever, but that's alright. We're gonna give him a title match tonight. And if you you should have just seen the writing on the wall the moment they said Hogan gets a title shot tonight out of nowhere, like, okay, we got a new world champion.
SPEAKER_00But for that to happen, like the finger broken, dude.
SPEAKER_01Oh man. Damn, I forgot all about that.
SPEAKER_02That was so bad.
SPEAKER_01Damn, I forgot about that. So bad.
SPEAKER_02I wish I could forget about that.
SPEAKER_01Okay. All right, let's start our list. Overall, one through ten. Um what do you think should be number one? Or should we start at 10 and work our way up? Yeah, let's start at 10. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay, cool. Are you ready?
SPEAKER_02I'm ready like 50 cent in the beef. What a meme. Did you hear a song?
SPEAKER_01Okay, we're talking about the first part. Okay.
SPEAKER_00All right, cool.
SPEAKER_01Our top 10 of most disappointing moments in wrestling. Number 10 Taker and Kane versus DX in Saudi Arabia. Number nine, the retirement or Lack of retirement tour for AJ Styles.
SPEAKER_04And it's gone.
SPEAKER_01Number eight, Scott Hall never winning a world title. Or Razor Ramon, whichever way you want to put it. Diamond Stud, whoever you want to call it. Put up Diamond Stud. Okay, cool. I didn't know nothing about that one. That's old school, sorry. Okay. Yeah. Um, the streak ending, Undertaker's legendary streak ending is number six. Number five, John Cena's retirement tour, the heel turn, that never came back around. Okay, wait a minute. That was number six. Number five is Goldberg. Yeah, number five is Goldberg. Uh next, the build up to WrestleMania 2026 or 42. The build up or the lack of you know, Cody Walls having to be in the world title picture. Number three, the invasion. I'm sorry. Sorry. I love it. Um The Invasion is number three. Number two, Lucy McMahon handling of African Americans in Afro African American situations. And number one, the polka def. I feel like we did a good job.
SPEAKER_03I feel like we did a great job. And once again, if you don't feel like we did a great job, respectfully, you're wrong.