Future Stars In Pro Wrestling

The easiest way to get wrestling debates started is two words: “future stars.” We wanted a list that isn’t just hype or wishful thinking, so we argue it out the way fans actually talk, by weighing look, presence, promo confidence, match quality, and whether the crowd connection feels natural or forced. That takes us across WWE and NXT standouts like Oba Femi, Trick Williams, Bron Breakker, Lash Legend, Tiffany Stratton, and more, plus a real shout for AEW’s Willow Nightingale as someone who genuinely pulls attention away from everything else on the screen. 

We also get honest about the difference between “a star on paper” and “a star on TV,” using Jade Cargill as our biggest example. The conversation turns into a bigger point about wrestling psychology and booking: if you want someone to succeed, build the match around what they already do well, then expand the toolkit over time. When companies force a one-size-fits-all style, even great athletes can look awkward, and fans can feel the disconnect. 

Transcript

Cold Open And Host Banter

SPEAKER_02 0:01

What is wrong with it?

unknown 0:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

I'm sorry, Soldy. Yep. Respectfully, you're wrong. You know what it is. It's your boy, Mr. Bad. I can't say your name up on the spot. Might not pitch you to my I'm Joe. The simple I'm Joe is funny. I'm this long whole intro. I don't I don't want a monologue.

SPEAKER_04 0:35

I'm Joe. I'm Joe.

SPEAKER_06 0:37

I'm just another Joe Smith. That's crazy. That is. She's bear.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

She wants to join in, so occasionally she's just gonna be harassing us. So I'm good. It is what it is. What you say? We're gonna roll with it. Yeah. All right.

The Future Stars Premise

SPEAKER_02 0:54

So today we're doing future stars, which was a great idea that you came up with. That wasn't originally one of the things we talked about, but when you said it, I fell in love with it. Because there is a lot of great talent in wrestling. Oh, yeah. Currently. Oh yeah. And I even got I got some AEW names. Don't judge me. I don't watch AEW often, but these people uh pop off the screen for me personally. Now, is there I feel like is there gonna be a lady that you just posted on Facebook on your list? You know now that you mentioned she definitely be an honorable mention on there, but okay, cool. Yeah, because I saw her and I saw that you had just posted her. I was like, well, um, I'll tell you what, while you're talking about her, uh J Rod talking about, she's gonna be on American Gladiators on Amazon.

SPEAKER_06 1:46

I don't know when that comes out on there, but when yeah, she was on that series. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

She's been doing her damn thing, going to Japan, at the park over there, you know. She travels all around and oh, she's gonna be the future. Yeah, she'll be the time. Yeah, so you're gonna put her as an honorable mention? Oh, definitely. Okay, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

All right, okay, cool.

Honorable Mentions Across Promotions

SPEAKER_02 2:06

I'll do uh maybe I should do my honorable mentions since you already did jewels. All right. Um, Cabin Knight from AEW, and he's a part of a tag team right now called Jet Speed, and then um I got MJF from AEW. So yeah, I put him as an honorable mention because Putin feels like he's not really a future star, he's already a star in there for so long, but yeah, I get what you mean. But I feel like he has the potential to be so much bigger. Oh, yeah. So that's why I put him as an honorable mention, but he does be on my list. Um, you seen the rascals in AEW? I've seen him in TNA. You see him in TNA? Okay. So um, you know, do Myron Reed? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

Yeah, I used to see him uh doing all the independent shows around here too. So dope. Him and uh there was a dude, another one he put on there for I'm gonna mention Matt Diesel. I seen him uh do a match at GCW.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

I think it was last sometime last year, man. Like that? Oh yeah, like that, like that. Oh god, yeah. Yeah, no, I seen no reckles. I've seen one of them he's back in TNA. Oh uh yeah, yeah, it's not Trey, is it? Is it Try Megal? Trey is it Trey McGill? Yeah, I think it's Travel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's him. Yeah, yeah. So I heard he posted some stuff. Man, so long ago. That's what I was gonna say. From what I've heard, it was a long tablause, man.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

Like, and that's something else we go on a whole different

Past Mistakes And Social Media Memory

SPEAKER_04 3:36

tire about. Like, how long do you hold somebody's past mistakes over their head? You know, if somebody admits that they made a mistake, how long do we continue to dangle that shit?

SPEAKER_06 3:49

Like, look what you did 15 years ago. I'm pretty sure 15. How old is he, man?

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Because I'm like 15 years ago or whatever the hell it was.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Like, he would he had to be a young dude. That's what I'm saying. Teenager, early 20s. He was a young dude. I don't even know if you can't even fathom what would I am so glad we didn't have this kind of like social media back when I was that young. My Twitter might be my old Twitter. Might be a little, yeah. It's just gonna say a little yeah. But I don't even think it was that crazy. I'm glad I never used Twitter much. Yeah, I used Twitter. I used to I used it for Twitter now and Twitter then. Twitter then it was just like it was like a safer space, and you could talk. I got a lot of sports news from there. Yeah. Uh it was more of a safer space now. Now it's very toxic and very sexual. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Very sexual. Twitter is different. Twitter is Twitter is like foreign. It's really free for it.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

It's yeah, it's very only it's diet only fans.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

That's a great, yeah. Because all they they just promo their stuff up. Yeah, yeah. Very diet-only fans. Yeah, oh, sorry. I didn't uh my other one is Stephanie back here and Julia. Also, Julia. Julia. I have to show you a picture. She's on SmackDown now. Oh, yes. I'm glad you said how to pronounce her name because I have her online and I just didn't know how to pronounce her name. Yeah, Julia could be. I begin looking at it and I'm like, yeah, but she's she's on my honorable mentions. But that's my I thought you I had a list, like I could, you know what I mean? But that is my that is my honorable mentions list. I already said five names. That's crazy. But yes, I think all of these people that are on my list, some of them, like we talked about, are MJF wise, already a star, and some of them's already stars, but they're going to grow and continue to be, they're gonna be faces of companies and faces of brands and all of that. Because I even thought about putting EO in the uh EO Sky and uh Rhea Ripley on there because they technically they're still young, they could be in the business a lot longer and continue to grow and be bigger, like Tony Storm, man. Yes, yes, mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I thought about I looked at her too today. So it's a bunch of people that could fit on this list because I think they have the potential to be bigger, but I try to come up with certain some names that wouldn't already pop. I'll try. You know, if you want me to start off, you won't start off. I'm gonna go ahead and start off.

Starting The Rankings And A Carmelo Tangent

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Okay. Alright. Ron Breaker. I feel like you know, you gotta have him there. He's on my list. Yeah, he's on my list as well, but you got him at 10. Why why ten you know, I don't really know why I had him at 10. It's more like I just have you have him on the list. Yes. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Cool, cool. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. He did he is he's on the list. He's on my list as well. He is a little higher. Well, we're gonna get into it later when he gets on my list, but he's on my list as well. He's he's he he has the it factor to him. He does, so he's you know, and he's got the pedigree coming from family, you know, and God is beast. He is, he is. All right, my uh my 10. My 10. I feel like it's the forgotten about name now because of some other people have came from B next team and have grown and become bigger names. Carmelo is. I feel like he is the forgotten about name now because he I personally feel like he got the United States championship because they knew Trick was coming. Hold up, man.

SPEAKER_06 8:03

This is gonna be a weird little conspiracy tangent here.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

Thank you, Tang. Carmelo Hayes. You say he's like the forgotten one that came in. He came in, but because of all these other stars that came in. Carmelo Anthony, I mean Hayes just doesn't get the yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:28

Is it the Carmelo name?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

That's a great point because when you look at it, Carmelo Hayes is the beginning about man, but Carmelo Anthony wants LeBron and Dwayne, especially Dwayne Wade as a male. We knew where LeBron was gonna be. Uh-huh. That's without a question. Now you get in my bed because it's my conversation. You ain't wrote me on the tangent. You ain't wrote me on the tangent. So you knew what LeBron was gonna be, but then you add on the factor of Dwayne Wade, too. He because coming out, Carmelo was supposed to be the next coming, it wasn't supposed to be Dwayne Wade, but it ended up being Dwayne Wade, right? So yeah, Carmelo is like the forgotten about man in the sense of those three, yeah. So you know that's you know, I don't even watch sports. That's a very well-known fact. Anybody can tell you that. Yeah, no, that's a great point. Carmelo, man, I always seen him, and I'm like, what happened to this guy? Like he was he had a great career, yeah. But the thing with him is he didn't win a championship, and then the rainway and LeBron won championships. So that's part of it. And then Carmelo got robbed of a rookie of the year. How do you mean a rookie of the money? Every month, but when it comes to rookie of the year, nah, we're gonna give it to LeBron. Oh my god, really? What? I don't know, but okay, cool. I'm not gonna go on the tangent for too long. But that doesn't make it doesn't make sense. He wanted every month, imagine it was his conference, he LeBron played in the East. Uh Carmelo played in the West, but Lamar didn't win it every every month in the east. Carmelo did win it every month in the West. And he didn't win rookie of the year. But I mean that's a whole other score. But yes, he is, they knew. Anyways, I guess it's having something to do with the name. So Carmelo Hayes is my number 10.

SPEAKER_06 10:26

I'm gonna go, and I'm only gonna put I'm gonna put this person, you know, kind of up there on mine because I feel like we were talking about, you know, with some of your uh honorable mentions, like she's kind of established already, but she still got so much more room to grow.

Jade Cargill And WWE Presentation

SPEAKER_06 10:45

Jake Cargo.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

I love the look on your face. Joe, why are you making me doing this during Black History Month? Why are you gonna make me do this during Black History Month? Joe, why? Why are you gonna make me do this? I'm not supposed to be doing this right now, Joe. My bad. I'm sorry. Can I give you my honest opinion on Jay Cargill? Oh, she was better than AEW. Mm-hmm. Right now, that would be yeah. WWE is forcing it, and it's not working. They're forcing it, and it's not working. And they switched her, they turned her heel now. They probably should have brought her in as a heel to begin with because that's where she's most comfortable as. Yeah. But I get it, y'all want to get the pop, get people on the side. But the wrestling, she didn't look as bad of a wrestler in AEW as she does now. And I'm not saying she was ever a tech technician, like that wasn't ever her game. She wasn't like AEW knew how to play to her strengths. They let her work her style. Yeah. She got in WWE and they trying to work styles with her. Yeah. No, let her work her style, and they not doing that. So it's making her look bad. Making her look, and just gonna be honest, it's making her look really bad. Yeah, she has every she has the look. Oh, yeah. Well, no, she has the look. She has the look, she has the athleticism, she has the mic skills as well to be a star. But the way they're presenting her and the way they put her in these matches is making her look bad. They also put her in fuse that really, you know, amount to nothing. She hasn't like she hasn't really defended the title since she won it. She hasn't. By the time people heard that, she would have defended once because it's coming this week. But oh, she she's defending the business for the first time since she won it. Because the people she was working shows with and trying to build chemistry with, they got hurt. Now her and me chan, they put on some good matches, but just because, like you said, it's the style of matches. You put her, you put Jay Cargill in a no disqualification match. She ain't gotta be technic like do this whole technical wrestler stuff. You just go out here with some chairs and some, you know, some briefcases or whatever, and trash cans. Okay, I'll make you look good. And then Michael's a good wrestler too. She's uh she's we might do an underrated list. Pay attention to that name for me. You don't say pay attention to that name for me. But I think Jake Cargill, I don't think it's all her, but I do think she plays a part into it as well. That's why her WWE run don't look as good as the AEW run. Yeah. And I said that in a nice way because it's Black History Mike. He did well. I put I tried. You did. I caught myself. Yeah. Because I like I like her. I like, like I said, but I liked her more than AEW. When she came, I thought it was gonna be. Yeah. Everybody thought, man, when she comes over, it's gonna be. But yeah, like you said, they they have a tendency to make you adopt to the WWE style rather than saying, hey, this is what's been working for you. We're just gonna find people who can work with you to make you look good, you know, like Ultimate Warrior was not a great wrestler, but they were able to highlight the strengths of him, which is literally just his strength and his energy and the way he that's what they need to be doing. Great, we talked about we were talking about basketball a few minutes ago. Great coaches, but same thing with like football, baseball, whatever great coaches adapt their system to the players. Yeah, don't make the players adapt their their game to your system. That doesn't work like that. The players is already the players are who they are, they got here because of what they are. Right. Jay Cargill is already who she is. Don't adapt her to your style of matches, adapt your matches to her style and then bring her along slowly. That's my thoughts. Well said. I try. You did very good. I try. Hell yeah. Okay.

Willow Nightingale And The IT Factor

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Speaking of AEW women, uh Willow Nightgale. Ooh. She's gonna be the future. I I am starting to look at AEW to watch her. And that says a lot. You um she's bringing me to the television set. It's not everything else that's going on with AEW, it's her. She's marking me to the television set. I think she got she got the little bubbly personality, the cute little smile, that's going to get over. Like, she would be out here, you know what I'm saying, selling candy to kids. Like, she got that, she got that look. Like, you know what I'm saying? She's gonna get she can sell pajamas, you know what I mean? She can sell pajamas. She got the look, you know what I mean? So, yeah, no. That's my uh number. AEW does some damn good things with her. Yeah. People treat it like it's this far and away country company, and I was one of them at one time, but I am starting to see. I I need to get back into it. I seen uh I don't even know what the name I don't know what the next pay-per-view is. I can't remember. I'm just starting to get back into it. They uh the the card for it looks insane. It looks really good, so I need to check that out. Hell yeah. I am going to go with her. She's got potential, you know. She's got one and I don't know if she'll ever I don't ever see her being like, you know, top top, but definitely up in like top five of the you know? Yeah, yeah. She plus she the split brands helps. And also she got again to go to the look, round hair, beautiful white woman. Oh yeah, she can sell perfume by her. I'm just I'm just giving her my commercial ideas here. You know what I mean? She got she has we talked about Jack Cargill with the look. She also has that look, she had Tippy has that look as well, and she has enough skill to carry. Yes. To her and the Charlotte Ferrari, Charlotte Fern's. I was gonna say, yeah, like her and Charlotte, they kind of yeah, personally, yeah. That was uh that was a feud. Yeah, that was a refuse. That was a refuse. Yeah, they must have. Yeah, they really used to lead. I mean, that's when I first noticed. I was like, who is who is this girl? Like, damn, yeah, and that was that was her coming to match. Yeah, Charlotte Flair. Yep. So yeah, now uh perspective. I forgot about Tiffany, but that's a that is a good name. I'm going on a woman's run right now. I I feel like we both kind of all here. Uh my next one is Callie Armstrong. She was on WWE Evolve. That's exactly that's a new one to me. Yeah, I'm gonna send it to you. Okay. So, but yes, I like uh Cali Armstrong because again, look, she got the look of it and she got the skill. And her her uh her intro when she walked down to the rank, that's what that's what caught me was like, okay, I can get behind this right here. Not in another way, but you know, like she's gonna be a star type of way, you know what I mean? She's like she's going to be a big deal type of way. Yeah. I think she's gonna if the intro made me believe it. If you can send me off an intro, yeah. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

We can go hit the, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yes. She got that confidence. Yeah, it takes something to be able to do that before you even hit the ring. You're like, there you go. Yeah, off an intro? Oh, yeah, no, we could we gonna do that. So we're gonna pull this up and I'll send you more stuff. Yeah, my uh I'm going with Callie Armstrong. So we're gonna keep up with the women game here, and I'm gonna go so okay.

Why Women’s Wrestling Feels Hotter

SPEAKER_02 20:28

The watching that women's world rumble just opened my eyes up to a lot of these women and because I haven't I haven't been keeping up with the new products as much as I realistically should. And so watching the World Rumble and seeing the women's world rumble match, I'm just sitting there watching these girls like y'all putting in work, like y'all putting in more effort than the men did. And yeah, the the women's world rumbles and elimination chambers and ladder matches over the past like year, probably probably two, yeah, two years, maybe even hell, maybe three, they matches have been better. Yeah. My most recent favorite match is EO Sky versus Rhea Ripley. They killed that. I won't say it was uh Swimmerswell. Naomi won the championship. Yeah, them two killed that match.

SPEAKER_06 21:27

I feel like it's I feel like every time they go out there because they know that they know that they have, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like they have to prove something. You know, like the women are going out there to prove that we belong at this top level just as much as the men do. Like we deserve that top spot just as much, if not more.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

They do, yeah. And I feel like they've been carrying they have been carrying in a lot of PLEs here lately. Yes. So you'll know. Shout out to them. I do have Saruka on my list as well. She's a little a little higher. Just a little. My next up is speaking of the Romans Royal

Lash Legend Defense And NXT Buzz

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Rumble. Last legend. Oh man. Can I can I can I have just one? Can I have 30 seconds? No, please, please go ahead and have 30 seconds. Yes. Whoever YMF was that was saying that she was overrated, as long as I ever lasted my and quit hating on that woman. She's definitely not overrated. She was killing in that Royal Rumble, and she deserved the spot that she got because she earned the spot that she got because she's continually put in great work. Lance legend. Forget overrated. She's probably underrated, and I probably got her too low on my list. Yeah, go ahead. I agree with everything he just said. Just for the record. Somebody to be out here talking about overrated. Overrated. Are we watching the same match? They can't see it because of the TV. I guess it wasn't. You gotta bet see it on TV, I guess, because I guess in person, maybe y'all just miss the song. Alright. Stupid people. You know, I get everybody has their opinion, but sometimes you just be like, damn, really? Yeah. He's not gonna do this. Alright. Which one are we on now? Uh one. I thought we had seven. I think it's no six. We had six on the okay, cool, cool. Seven.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

I'm gonna put somebody on my list.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

And it's gonna be weird because they also are gonna be on a different list of mine, which will make it seem very redundant to this.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

But I have some hope.

Austin Theory And The Fresh Start Question

SPEAKER_01 24:07

I'm gonna put Austin Theory on it.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

I bet that ship is sealed. Huh? I bet that ship is sealed.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

That's look, I am like, I'm like 80% on board with you when you say that. Like, I'm like something, but I'm also wondering, you know what I'm saying, it's like has that ship sailed, or has that ship sailed just in WWE? Is he one of those people that needs to go and venture out and you know what I'm saying, like hit up like TNA or hit up AEW or you know, do the independent scene, whatever he's gotta do to find who he is. Because if you'd have asked me a long time ago, I would have told you fucking Cody Rhodes was that ship itself.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

And you know, you saw he he left the company, and what did he do? He built himself up. Drew McIntyre too, Drew McIntyre, um um, um Mac Cardona. What's going on, man? Okay, cool. I don't think Mel Cry doing much okay. Drew came back and became a champion. Yes. He's gonna be he's in the title pitch. Yes, he technically has a title right now, right? Cody came back, built himself up as a perennial main event WrestleMania. Like we gotta change the plans to make sure we sell out WrestleMania so he's in the main event. I don't feel the same way that Cardonian isn't going to have I don't think he ever will either. He's never gonna have a I don't I don't even think he's gonna have another title run in WWE. I feel like the most that he will get is the US championship. I think the most he's gonna get is a tag team championship. Yeah. I don't know with who. I don't even think he's gonna get an independent runner. I don't think you I was with you with you and Carly. You said Matt Cardona, and I'm like, nah, Joe. Respectfully, you're wrong. You're wrong. And I like Matt Cardona. He ain't getting it, he knows.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

Yeah, I don't think Matt will, you know, I don't think Matt's gonna come and ever get himself into the main event picture like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

But I give him credit for like leaving the company as Zach Ryder and being like, I need to prove to y'all that I'm more than just woo-woo-woo and all that shit.

SPEAKER_04 26:54

And and this man was like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go hit the independent scene, I'm gonna become the deathmatch king. But he did some shit. You know what I mean? Like he he grew his brand and he he built up his name on his own rather than just relying on you know the machine to say this is who you are, and he did that so well that he was able to come back.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

What happens after he comes back is really anybody's guess, you know, like that he'd have made his money on the independent and proved that he's a star. Yeah. Now he's on WWE, yeah, because his wife hurt too. So it's a little easy on the travel situation. Okay, can we can we be honest here real quick, man?

SPEAKER_06 27:34

Well, I feel like his wife is going to be the bigger star.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Well, if you watch the stupid show that I don't like, I'm real, they said that she's she doesn't have the fact she doesn't have the factor to be it. And I was like, uh I watched AAA. The the uh the brand that is me about WWE bro. I watched the triple A. And I watched what she does, she did with the SmackDown with the U.S. women's championship, with you know, the uh president or whatever the thing she's doing. Who don't have the potential to be the star? She can go in the world title right now.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

Who comes up with this stuff? You can go back and look at her in Lucha Underground with like I think it was Pentagon. It was Penta. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 28:28

She knows how to wrestle, she knows how to how to, you know, garner the interest of the fans, how to get you hooked into it. She knows how to sell herself everything.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Yeah, anybody who looks at her and thinks, oh, she's just you know a feeder to make the the bigger stars look good.

SPEAKER_06 28:52

You motherfucker, you smoking crack.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

You look like free bass, free birds. Okay. But yes, I remember thinking he just said. I think I did you just say uh I said Austin.

SPEAKER_06 29:15

Austin three, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

I think I think once this was gone. I think that ship sailed. Yeah, as I feel like it has sailed in WWE. I think that ship is sailed. If he if he leaves if he still wants to like dedicate himself to wrestling after he leaves there, there may be a chance. Okay, he might. Okay, on time too. I'm gonna go with you. I don't see it. Prove me wrong. Okay, uh my next one is Braunbreaker. There you go. I got Braun Burger. This is five. Yeah, I got him at five. Like part of the reason he's down is because he already kind of got a little name and they building towards it. But but I wonder, are they going to do the Roman Reigns with you? Where y'all push him down our throat so much that people retaliate and like fight back against it and don't want him to be there. So that's why I got him a little lower. Is because of the fact I wonder how they're gonna go to Roman Reigns route where which it worked for Roman Reigns 10 years later, yeah, them first five years was hit or miss. Them first five years was rough. You know what I mean? So I'm going like I said, it worked for Roman now. I don't want them to do the same thing with Braun Barker, and I have a feeling that's what they're going to do. Yeah. So that's why he's brought down. But like you said, he got the lineage. Lineage, thank you. That's what you said. I don't think I said lineage. That's what that's what we're going with. Yeah. You had already said it. That's yeah. Lineage. He remembers big words that I just said. I can't spell them, no. We didn't spell them be on the Miss Vass podcast. And it was between Jones and DQ, because I openly admit I can say words I mispronounce a lot, but I definitely can't spell them. I can do numbers. Arithmetic could do that all day. That I was like, spelling? Sound it out, Johnny? Yeah, no, that ain't my stuff. I missed them classes. That was the only thing I was really good at. Oh really? Yeah. Spelling was that was my shit. The one good thing with the analogy? Speak the text. Hey. I guess I get my tech person would be like, I have all these type of words. Yeah, no, I just know how to say them. Can't spell them.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Thank God for Gemini.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Well, it's not perfect.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Dictionary in my pocket.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

Hey, well.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Only kind of math I could do is the illegal kind.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

I was about to say something really bad right there, but I'm like, no, dude. Don't expose yourself that bad, Joe.

SPEAKER_06 32:26

Leave the past where it goes.

unknown 32:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Number four. Number four. Are we a four? I think you just did. You did five. Did you? Yeah. You said, bro, it's my six. I'm at number five. So this will be your five. Oh, I thought you said Brian Breaker was number five. My brother. Sorry. I probably did. See, I'd be shit up all the time. I probably did. But he's five. Sorry. I never put my feet up on Eddie Murphy's couch. Uh okay. Number five.

Jordan Grace Plus The Case For Managers

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Jordan Grace. I thought about her. Yeah. I did think about her. She probably should have been on my honorable mentions. I've seen her.

SPEAKER_06 33:14

I've seen her in uh in TNA in person. And I just remember like looking at this one like, this woman is a beast. Like this woman.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah. I'm pretty sure she could just like, you know, flex and crack somebody's skull. She's strong. Yeah, she has the look. Yeah, she got the look. She definitely has a look. She's been around wrestling for a while, so she's got you know skills and the mic work. She will benefit from a manager. Oh, yeah. She definitely from a manager. There's a lot of wrestlers, you know, you see will benefit so much from a manager. Just real quick. Why would you think they don't we don't do managers like we used to? Because we don't feel like managers is a thing anymore. I honestly I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 34:14

Because man, like managers used to play, like when I think about it, I always think of Bobby Heenan. That is the first person that always comes to mind. And I think about how many wrestlers what their careers would have been like without him as their mouthpiece.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Now, you know, some of these guys would have had good careers, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

But the careers they they end up having. Yeah, they would not have had the great career like they had.

SPEAKER_06 34:46

Some matches that we ended up getting, like Andre the Giant Hogan, WrestleMania 3. Andre could not do an interview. Yeah, exactly, man. So what do you need at that point? You need somebody like Bobby Heenan right there to be the mouthpiece. Because you have this big massive guy who is just the irresistible force means the immovable object. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. But without somebody there to sell you on the story, you don't have the story, really.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

That's a great point. I don't they should use managers more. Yeah, they put Bon Heyman with a bunch of people that he don't need to be with.

unknown 35:36

No.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

He was cool in the bloodline, but did they really need him? All of them could talk. Yeah. Right now, Marl Merker could talk. Yeah. He doesn't really, he don't need to be with the vision. He needs to be with other people who can who could be top stars. They just don't have the mouthpiece to go with it. The mouth, the mic skills. Yeah. To go with it. I felt like he did really good being the mouthpiece for Brock. Yeah, because Brock was, but you want to find out Brock could talk. Yeah, it's kind of funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 36:09

It's like Brock finally. And I yeah, I don't know if maybe like Brock kind of like learned off of Paul being around him, you know, like he absorbed that kind of thing from him.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

I think some of these guys do, like Roman. He probably did learn. Yeah. He probably did need Paul in the beginning. But because I didn't take that back. John Cena did emerge that man and said, Man, it's a promo. Learn how to do it.

SPEAKER_06 36:36

Yeah. And do it like that.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

That was probably one of the funniest things that John Cena has done, though, you know? Like saying that to him.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

And now you look at the promo that he just did with CM Punk. I didn't want to see CM Punk versus Roman Reigns, but now. Oh God, yeah. It's about business. Yes. It's about business. It makes sense. Alright. Um. That's one of them five. There you go. The reason So Ruka is at five. I had that's why I say I probably did say for Brahm Barker, but I switched them. And the reason I said it, I switched them was because I think they're going to push So Ruka. And they're gonna push Brahm Berka. But I don't think we're going to have the pushback with So Ruka that Braun Barker I have is the potential to get. Yeah. I think I don't with the fans and all of that. I think So Ruoka's is it's going to feel more organic. So that's why I got I switched them. So I think he did say four. I told you if if you think it's an inf up, it probably wasn't me. I mean going too quick sometimes. It's a joke there, too. I'm gonna leave it alone. What's that? It's a joke right there, too, but I'm gonna leave it alone.

50 Cent As The Perfect Manager

SPEAKER_02 37:56

I was just thinking about uh 50. Say, talk a little too fast. You listen to the fast, I ain't gotta say that for you to catch up. Did you see the commercial he did? I seen that thing like when they dropped it on uh YouTube before it came out with Jesus, folks.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

No, my favorite part though was when he pulled out the uh what whatever uh the liquor was that he pulled out. Oh and he was like age four years or 15 months. Who's counting?

SPEAKER_02 38:30

You know, I'm putting y'all roof in it. Why you keep coming at my dog? And you can't put laughs. Them dudes is 50 dudes. That's crazy. And it's not he did another commercial that this you can tell was pretty tight because he said, New England. Sorry that y'all like uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? I seen that one. It's like, I mean, I don't know about losing, but you know what I'm saying? But for people up there, y'all get 50 off it. Oh he's owned, he's owned it.

SPEAKER_04 39:03

The most odd person, dude, but in like the best way. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

And his facial expressions just selling the all. Yes. Classic. Look, man. If I could be a if I could be an understudy or an intern for anybody, it would be 55. 50 needs to be a manager. Oh, that is great. He would be a great manager. 50 would sell you on any match you thought was gonna be the dumbest thing in the world. And you don't have to show a burger week, no. He could show up once a once a minute, once a two week to build it and then go away. Yeah. 57 would be a bright wrestling manager. Yes. What's going on now? Oh, uh four. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Number four.

Locking In The List And Final Order

SPEAKER_01 40:02

That man at the World Rumble at any other time.

SPEAKER_06 40:07

He just gives his all. Like he goes out there and just, damn, you ain't gonna get a show out of him.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

I'm on the same page because this one, my next person is Joe Brian Evans. F four. My list is just I got four written twice. So my next person is Jonathan Evans as well. He's what's his bouncey? He's super bouncy.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

He's like, he's he's got that cruiserweight style. But I don't think he's cruiser. I mean, obviously, they don't have a cruiserweight, so you know. I think he will be though. Would he be? He's small, he's smaller, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:53

And that's why I got him at four, because I don't know if they would ever put him in the world title. Uh, yeah, I'm because of his size. Yeah. But he has the skills, and he's gonna be able to put on the show. Oh, yeah. He can put on great matches, he ain't number like 21, 22. Yeah. I was I was that good at anything at 21 or 22. Oh god. I don't even need to be paid. You know, as long as that man doesn't hit any sudden injuries or nothing like that. Oh yeah, he's intercontinental, U.S., like you say, I don't think he might get one. I don't think he's gonna be in a frequent world title picture. No, I don't think they would do that. But again, Triple H is different than Vince. Yeah, yeah. Because Vince, Jabar definitely wouldn't.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

I mean, if I'm being honest here, I never would have looked at Sami Zayn and thought this man's gonna be fighting for a world title on multiple occasions.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

He continues to lose them. What did you say? He continues to lose them, though. He does continue to lose them. I think he's gonna win one. At some point, yeah, he's that mankind thing is gonna have to kick in. Next year in WrestleMania book it. Because it's gonna be in Riyadh, and Sammy's big over there. Oh, yeah. It's Montreal because it's his hometown, and then he gets the same response in Riyadh. Yeah. He's winning it next year in WrestleMania. I think they it's already setting it up. And if it if he don't, don't sometimes the simple booking is the best booking, just book it. Yeah, just go ahead and do that now. So knowing that they're gonna put it on him like right before it had it was it there, which would be stupid. Let him have his moment there. Yeah, no, I got to find out to say my four too. At four, two times. All right, going to number three. So maybe you have to say I thought he would be on your list. I thought he would be lower.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Number three. Trick Williams. What did we got the same three people just in different we probably maybe? Yeah, because I feel like it's a name that I feel like, like I said, I don't even be on your list, but he's lower. Or he would have been lower because he's he's my number three. But okay, why you go ahead and get trick?

SPEAKER_06 43:27

Man, seeing him do those promos, that man has he he's got the charisma, he's got the confidence, he's got those promos down. He can talk that talk.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

He can walk the walk.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

I feel like with more time on the main roster to get acclimated with you know everything that's going on and the style and such, he'll get better. Like right now, you can he was in.

SPEAKER_06 44:00

The ring one day I watched him on SmackDown, and it was him in there with uh I don't know who exactly he was in there with, but it's been a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Well, whatever. Was this the Mike incident with Randy Orton? The Mike incident? Yeah, so him and Mike, even when Randy was doing a promo. Yeah. And you know, they were going back and forth, and Trick just slapped the mic out of Randy's hand. And you can see both of them said, well, you see, Trick said, Oh shit. Cause it went into the crowd. And Randy was like. And Trick was like in the NXT, it's not that big people on that side. So I could do that down there. Yeah. It's not the same. I ain't never seen that one.

SPEAKER_06 45:02

This was uh him and Sammy and somebody else were in there.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Oh, okay. Yeah, this was yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Damn, who possessing that? Uh was it Damien? I think it was Damien.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

Damien, Sammy, and Trick in the ring. And you could just tell, like, you could see the bit of nervousness in Trick, where you know, like he realizes these two are the like stars, like these two have been here. And he felt a little bit, I don't want to say uncomfortable, but you knew that he was like, I gotta get to their level, like, and that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Like, you see, like he was trying to absorb what they were doing and just trying to learn off of it. So he we like we've been talking about, he got the look and he could cut a promo. Yeah, yeah. This is what it is. Yeah, all right. My number three.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Dominic Mastrill. Hey, there you go. Hey, there you go. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

Because of the fact don't turn him baby face. Yeah. Let him be a hill. Yeah. And just let him run it out. Yeah. And he's going to kill it. He's going to kill it, and it's natural. It's just natural for him. And if I saw that Ray was talking about when Dom switched, they was uh Ray had presented the idea of him being a one-to-time heel. I'm glad they didn't do that. Dominic needed to be the one to be a healer. Dominic does the heel so well. So well.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

And I think that what I feel like what's going to end up happening with him is he's not going to go like, you know, from the face. I think he's just going to be almost like a Randy Orton kind of a where he's like in between. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. Because the fans love him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

And they love him so much that it's almost impossible for him to be a fool on heel. So yeah, no, I got I got Dominic Mysterio at three. That's the person who I was expecting to be on your list. That's my number two. Oh, okay. That's yes. That's number two. So before I listen. We got the side three. We just gotta be different. Yes. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Dude, Dominic, when he first appeared, I I couldn't because they was trying too hard to make him, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Yeah, a good guy, like, you know, dad's son, like, and the moment that they allowed him to break away and become dirty Dom. Oh the rude, they wrote that he went to jail, give me oh, oh, man. It was funny. Yes. It was funny. Yeah. I love Dom. Yes. I love Dom. Dom is he's definitely future star. Like, I mean, he's already a damn star. True. AAA champion, you know. Interconal champion. Yeah. It's only, it's not a matter of if, it's just when does he become the world champion? Hopefully it's this year. Yeah. Hopefully it's this year. Get some first blood upper. Well, yeah, okay. There you go. It's the mic skills. I'm assuming you got Obi. Oba feminine.

SPEAKER_06 48:44

Of course, Oba is number one for both of us.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Okay, cool. So Obi, Obi's gonna be our one. Yes. We could put diamond two.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

If I can spell his name. Oh yeah, hell I can know what it is. I spelled it wrong. Uh Tricky Three?

SPEAKER_06 49:02

Tricky three. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Okay, now. Who is you for? Who did you want the trick? Was it so local? Was it your four? No, So Roku was. She was lower on the list. Lower on the list. Oh, okay. Yeah, she was because I had a higher. Yeah. And then you had Brian lower. Yeah. Who's Braun?

SPEAKER_04 49:35

I feel like Brian would definitely be up there. Because I just like I said, whenever I made the list out, I didn't even put like Brian for. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Brian Burker for uh is she and Jade up there? No, Austin.

SPEAKER_06 49:56

Austin. Look, they don't mean yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

So after Brian Breaker, uh, we got I know I got Solaruka. Solo Ruoka. Solar, I got the Kenya Armstrong, but she didn't make your list. We got Last Legend. We got oh, you said Julia. You mentioned Julia. Yeah. You wanna put Julia somewhere in the top 10? Yes. Okay. That's probably too high. For I feel like do we go Carmelo next, or do we go soul Luke or Lash Laser next? I'm gonna say lash. Okay, so then lash is five.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

She just held it down at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Lash is five, and then you're gonna go soul here. Oh, you still want her lower.

SPEAKER_05 50:55

I had not seen enough of Soul World to really know. So what do you think?

SPEAKER_06 51:00

I I would put her here. Okay, I'm gonna go with yeah. I'm gonna try Sharon stink on that one for sure. Alright, we'll put her here.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Do do okay. Then we can put Julia. What did it change? Who could? Alright, so that's one, two, three, four, five. We had seven. We need three more. I feel like Ramela Hayes has to go on her. Yeah. So do you want him to go here? Or we have We got Jade still. Oh shit.

unknown 51:33

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

Javon Evans. Javon. Thank you. I'm just looking over this name. Like it's not right there. Okay, cool. So Obi Mysterio Trick. Braun. Do you think Javon goes after Braun or does she go or does he go after Lash?

SPEAKER_06 51:54

I'm gonna put him after Lash. Okay. Lash got that world title ability.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

Yeah, she can get it. She gonna get out. Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Because Julia is eight. Then we put Carmelo in there. Carmen. And then we need T. Oh, um. You had what's her name? Jordan Grace. Jordan Grace or Tiffany. Tiffany Stratton. Which one you think? Which one? Tiffany. Tiffany.

SPEAKER_06 52:34

Yeah. Tiffany. If we're looking for the whole package right now.

SPEAKER_05 52:42

Tiffany got it. Real quick before I forget about this

Local Standouts And Closing Thoughts

SPEAKER_05 52:47

one, man. I gotta talk about an honorable mention. I was talking about J. Rod earlier. Another person in OBW, man, is gonna go. Steven Steele. This I gotta turn you on to some of the Steel promos. And some of these things, one day I'm gonna have to get you out there to see this show.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

Yeah, you do all the life shows, but didn't never invite me.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

That's okay. He's gonna call me out like that. That's okay. That's just saying he's a busy person. I never know when he's got free time. And then he tells me, I'm always free. It's like you always free. Never ask. At 1 a.m., like I'm about to start working on something. And at 8 a.m., send me clips of things. And I'm like, you just like me, dog. Don't sleep.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

I found that.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

I have time to do stuff. Yeah. So we both got. I'll tell you what, let me know when Thursday is free for you. Thursday's the kid day. We have to wait till he's on spring breaks. I ain't got where baby wants to go. Okay. My bad. Okay, cool. Yep. So we both have OB at one, obviously. Obviously. So OB is one. We put Domin Mysterio at two. Trick Williams at three. Vaughn Breaker at four. Lash Legend at five. Javon Evans. Son Luca. Julia. Carnelo Hayes. Tiffany Straight. That sounds right. Okay. Yeah. It's not a good list. It does. Because we that's what we do. That's future right there. Future stars. Yes. And medicine is in my future. It better be, otherwise you're gonna be getting your ass yell, man. Why you come home and you ain't got your damn or is a whole stroke option as well. So yeah, my medicine. Yeah, but we can't have you in that. Yeah, throw them in though. I can't say your name up on the spot. Might not put you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 54:52

I'm just missing off the hizzle for shizzing, doesn't so many people don't even know what that means. I know. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

Thank y'all for listening and watching too respectfully.

SPEAKER_06 55:07

You're wrong.