March Brewness to round of 32

This week the boys talk California breweries and narrow 64 to 32! Join in!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

And we're gonna get into into an episode, but you know the beer of cast.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Um I I know for a fact that you you don't have what I'm drinking as your beer of cast, and I don't think um I don't think you'll be able to guess what my beer of cast is.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Alright, we're gonna do a little guessy guessy.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Um how okay, so I m my beer is not I'll say this, my beer is not um uh it's not like an off-the-hook random brewery, random beer from that brewery, like a one-off, like it's it's a it's a it's a decently well-known beer. Um you've had it before. Um if your beer is in line with that, like it's one I've had before, it's one that's pretty common by brewery, that it's pretty well known. Then yeah, we we can do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Um but yeah, mine's a common mine's a common brewery, but um they're one where you probably don't ever drink the same beer of theirs twice, because they just produce a lot of different labels. So Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

I mean, we can get into that if we want to do that before we we I'm down. Okay, so and because we've decided we're gonna do a thing, that means that we are starting the Beer Me Cast. Another episode of the Beer Me Cast. Welcome to the Beer Me Cast. Thank you for listening. My name is Jackson Ramsl, and I'm here with co-host Mark Zanferdino. Mark. Present. Present. We're we've decided that we're gonna try to guess each other's beer. Start with a little more. Let me crack mine open. I'll let you know that mine's in a can.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Same. Is it a 16 ounce can?

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Um just again, I'm gonna test the I would tell you that what is this?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Okay, uh that might uh that might narrow down a lot, because 16 ounce, that's like that's like the normal like standard.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Yeah. Mine's 24.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Mine's a 24 ounce. Okay, so it's probably So now uh yeah, I guess you go next, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Probably a larger than. Oh, okay, wait. Something we've had common. It is 24 ounce can. Is it from Northern California? It is not. Okay. And takes away two of my guesses.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

And you said that's a brewery that we've had a beer from that's a known brewery, but you don't have the same beer twice. So that makes me think likely Sacramento brewery or the area. And if I'm gonna one up to get more information than you, I'm gonna have to like really commit to that. So is it Sacramento area?

SPEAKER_02 3:00

It is not Sacramento area.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

And you're not like bullshitting me with like Rancho not being Sacramento, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:07

No, no. Like it's not within, you know, the greater 30 minute range.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Like in the county, I'll give you I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Uh so And not not in West Sec either. Wessex's part of Sacramento.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Technically that's Yolo County, but yeah, no, it's it's not one of those.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

I'm not gonna hop in my car and get to the brewery comfortably without it being like planned. Exactly. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Alright, so yours was not Northern California, which takes out uh Sierra Nevada Tall Cans, Lagonidas Tal Cans, North Coast Tall Cans. Is it a new Belgium?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

No, it's not.

unknown 3:49

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Okay, so I need to get some information. So 16 ounce, not when you have more than once but you know the brewery. Oh, that could be a lot. Um I need to try to think of is this a brewery kind of like original pattern where they have a lot of different beers come out. Oh, I see some of the beer. Okay, it looks like uh could that be an IPA? Or it looked it looked kind of like it could be an IPA. Um so is it original pattern? Or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

It's original pattern?

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

I I gave you the best hint I can give you. Like it's one of those breweries that just pumps a ton of labels out. You probably ever have the same beer twice.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

I mean, that's what so when I was thinking if it was Sacramento, like I was thinking like Burning Barrel, because I know you've had a couple from them. And then I was gonna go with um New Glory, because they do the same thing. We've had a bunch of Newglory recently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Original pattern definitely releases just a ton of different beers, right? Like you see you can just see all the random colored random colored patterns. The random patterns. Yes. Their original patterns. This is the How's the Serenity Paleo, a beer cup winner.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Nice. I thought you said beer cuck winner. I was like, huh, what's that?

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Someone drinks it while you watch.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

So what what's your what's your rating on it before you start guessing mine?

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Um, I will say this is more akin to a traditional West Coast pale. Um, it's almost pale ale-esque, leaning a little heavier on the bitter.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

I'm gonna turn my camera off so I can take a sip of my beer.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

But um overall, I I could see why it would win an award for the style. It's definitely um a more traditional pale ale and uh crisp refreshing with a nice malt backbone. Nice malt backbone and a good hot bitterness. A little heavy for the style from my taste, at 5'6 and a little bit on the bitter side. A little more close to like a like a lighter West Coast IPA. But uh overall I'd say I'd give it a nice 7-8. 7 7.8 rather.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

7.8, alright.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

Yeah, I mean there's the pale ales I like a lot more. It's not bad by any stretch, but I think there's a lot of room in the paleo category. Um and having World Beer Cup right on the front with bronze medal award winner, I had a little higher expectation of it, I think. Being a pale ale where it kind of comes off almost as a West Coast.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

But yeah, not a bad beer. Alright, so yours is not Northern California, it's not New Belgium, it's a 24 ounce can. Is it from San Diego?

SPEAKER_00 6:48

No, it is not. But you're closer with guessing San Diego versus uh Norca, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

Because Belgian beaver is San Diego. Stone San Diego. So we're getting closer.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

So it is uh remember, this is a beer. Interesting. I think you're thinking uh you're you're you're you're thinking in terms of uh of what normally we would be drinking for sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Yeah. I'm just I I think that the the 24 ounce can thing is throwing me because I have a very finite uh view of uh those cans. Not San Diego, not Northern California. This is somewhere in between. Maybe like a dustbow.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Maybe not. Maybe it was uh Is it an IPA? It is not.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Closer. Actually, yeah, I mean it uh yeah, it's a it's uh it's a Pilsner.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Um Damn it, why am I blinking on Oh, oh, oh, um Firestone Walker Pivo?

SPEAKER_00 8:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

No is it Firestone, is it is it Firestone Walker? No. Huh.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Can I give you a hint?

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Yes, I think I need one.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Further south.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Further south. Is it um corona? Wait no, it's not Pilsner.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Closer. It's not Pilsner. What is oh fuck me? What what's the next what do you what do you say after a corona if it's not that?

SPEAKER_02 8:55

Pacifico?

SPEAKER_00 8:57

What would you say after that?

SPEAKER_02 9:00

Um Corona Pacifico. Uh um like a dosekis? What I'm just trying to run through my macro loggers here now. What's the what's the lobo he the lobo heme?

SPEAKER_00 9:16

No. Come on. Bro, what's right there. Pacifica. I know we don't we don't drink macro Mexican beer a lot, but um. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Is that it is, yeah. It's a golden, full flavored Pilsner style lager with a clean, crisp finish. 4.6%.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Ah, modello time. Um, yeah, no, my brain just started on the wrong end of the spectrum.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

And I know we I mean start off obviously with the craft beer, uh for for understandable reasons.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Yeah, I haven't had a regular modello in a long time. I do tend to get a negro modello um anytime we go to like a Mexican restaurant just because I love that beer.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Um I normally would too. I got it a few weeks back uh expecting to make tacos and stuff. And I was gonna be cooking on my blackstone in the front yard, and then it um started raining that weekend, and I was like, okay, well and I just forgot about it. And then I thought earlier today I went like, oh beer cast. I have that modello in there. I've been wanting to crack it open to see what it's all about. It's been kinda hot today. It's so long.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

I mean, it's it's it's a little heat wave before it starts to rain again tomorrow, apparently, here in uh the Sacramento area. Um it's a bit of a weird weather thing. I uh took a bike ride today to CapTap to get my beer of cast. Get a little little some steps or not. I guess technically they're not steps, but you know, some some some cardio, some movement.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Get some work going. Earn the beer a little bit. I'm actually, you know, I I think I'm good here, but I do want to check my um microphone is being recorded into um Audacity. So I wanna talk. Oh, so actually before I do that, because I mean at this point I might as well just um say what's on my mind here. Um so if I'm gonna rate this beer, I mean it's it's a modello. You can get it anywhere, everywhere. Um it is it's it's better than I would have given it credit for. It it I feel like I was expecting to be like to have that macro pilsner uh lack of a better term, uh piss kind of taste, right? Like the Budweiser or something, but it doesn't have that. It is lighter, it's more crisp. Um it's it's simple, a little watery, but for four point poor 4.4% and a macro beer such as this. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm happy with it. Um then again, a little bit of that aftertaste is a little it's not like the best, but it's if it if I was cutting that with a nice, you know, like fish taco with a nice jalapeno slaw. See, and that's the thing, I don't have a line for it. I would normally have added the lime, but I wanted it to just go like without and see what it would be like. Um which I'm I'm fine with no lime in this. I'm surprised I'm not like, oh god, it really needs a lime. Um I will give it a I'll give it a six out of ten. I think that's as bet the best score I could give this in comparison to other Pilsners, because uh I had a Pilsner from Alaro last night.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Oh yes. Alaro is a good beer. I I mean if they're one that kind of gets overlooked, I feel in the sacrament area, but they do good beers. Their Saison is really good.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Um it was it was so good. I mean it was paired with like incredible food and stuff, but like so like on its own.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

I want to go to dinner there.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

I'm I'm gonna need some good food. I said afterwards, I'm like, I want to go I wasn't at Alara, I was at Magpie, but I was like, you know what? This makes me want to go to Alara. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Um their brunch is good. Um, really good brunch. They had a um a stout champagne mixture when I went to brunch one time. Surprisingly good. Like I said, I was wary. Yeah, well no, uh I guess you can call it that. Um yeah, I essentially it's just champagne and stout, so yeah. Yeah, it was really really good.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Sounds awful, but I guess it could be good.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

You know, I was like I was wary about it, but at the end of the day, it's kind of just like a lighter, more effervescent stout.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Okay. I guess that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Like a lighter maltbill um stout with some body, the champagne with some effervescence. Good combo.

unknown 14:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

But yeah, definitely brunch, brunch sad. Brunch is brunch is nice there.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Um, I've had brunch there, I've had lunch there when I used to used to work across the street. Um really, really, really good stuff. Like nothing they they've done food wise was a miss for me. So agreed. But we're moving on. I'll let would you wanna do you wanna describe this match or what was next in your mind?

SPEAKER_02 14:40

So we got uh got a little bit of a lineup here, as uh as our listeners know. Um we're doing a little bit of March Madness. We have our north and our south brackets, uh ranked one through thirty-two, that we're gonna delve into today. We also have a little topic today, uh, since it's, you know, getting into baseball season here. Um that's just the number of closures of breweries around Oracle Park. Um we have had uh two closures now. We've had the Twenty First Amendment, which we've talked about in the podcast before, but more recently we had uh Blackhammer Brewing Company, a smaller local brewery that's been around for God, at least a decade, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

They had back to 2013.

unknown 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Umbe a decade and a half, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Yeah, regardless, it it was a brewery that we had always enjoyed. We'd always visit before Giants games, you know, decent little walk there. You could pre-game. Um I remember one time they even opened up slightly early for us because we had gotten to like a day game and you know they were just kind of doing their opening. Um also spent some good nights there uh with family in town. It's just very walkable, good beer, good vibes all the time, and unfortunately they are closing locations. Uh at last check, I don't believe we were given a full reason for the closure, so I will try and stay up to date on that.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

It was a sign just in front of the door that it was like the last day.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

It was, and yeah, they did some end of, you know, end of party end of uh brewery parties. They had a final day with five dollar pints, and just sad. So now we have uh a void in uh our our pre-game ritual. There is no 21st Amendment brew pub, which was right by the arena, phenomenal food, beer, always packed to the gills, you know, and then the escape, which was Black Hammer, that was you know a little less populated, but easy to walk, good beer. Um now both of those are no longer there. Um so the question we were positing is where are we gonna drink before a Giants game?

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Exact the most important thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Yeah, you know, um because with how bad they started the season, you know, I you don't want to go into that fully sober. Oh they're starting to turn around. We got a couple wins in a row, but you know, it's it's early.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yeah, and I mean, especially right now, it's it's it's just fucking you want to get plastered before the game, and probably after.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Unless they're finished, and you don't want to do it at the stadium.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

You don't want to do it at the stadium because it's so damn expensive.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

So like you gotta do it before so Grand Stadium has good beer, it's just twice the price.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

So yeah, so now it looks like it's a it's a toss-up between was it local tap and field work. So I'm gonna bring up the uh bring up the map here.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

So Fieldwork is located uh I believe it's was called China Basin. I'm not too familiar with the Bay Area locales, but it's across McCovey Cove from the stadium, which is not a far walk in the slightest.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

So not at all.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

I mean our our feelings about Fieldwork are uh, you know, quite quite uh they're good. Loving?

SPEAKER_00 18:08

They're really good.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

They're we love fieldwork. They have their original brewery in Berkeley, which I spent a lot of time going back and forth to and a lot of time drinking at, and they opened one in Sacramento. Uh they've got a couple of locations around California, but now their newest location is in the Bay Area, right by the giant stadium.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

And it looks looks cool from the some of the pictures I've seen. Um really awesome location. I would love to check it out sometime, but uh haven't made it yet. And with with beer like that, and then uh you know, the type of food that we've experienced at the Sacramento location, the type of food um actually I think actually the the the the brewery in Berkeley else just like food truck based, but the food in Sacramento um was was so good and is so good that I I I can only expect more of uh more of that from them. So it's a spot that I would probably pick over local tap, but I will say when we went to local years ago, we went there just on a whim. I don't remember who I was with. I thought it was with you and the guys, but I I I could have sworn that we were looking for another brewery to go to after Black Hammer before we went to um somewhere else. I I don't I don't exactly remember. I oh, you know what happened? When Black Hammer to local to Buena Vista.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Oh, timeout. Um I j I had a question because local tap wasn't showing up when I searched brewery initially. So it looks to be local tap looks to be a tap room, whereas local brewing company appears to be permanently closed. Oh I believe there are two different venues and two different businesses. Well uh unfortunately, yeah, I just pulled up I looked up local brewing specifically, and while it was in a good proximity to Oracle Park, uh it is listed as permanently closed near Oracle Park. Um well I don't know if that means they've gone out of business altogether.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

It's usually what it means when it comes to Google for sure.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

I mean they still have a website that appears active. I'm still seeing ordering ability for four packs.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

So does it show an address?

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Let me let me pull up local Burnaby. I'm gonna zoom out here in SF a bit, and I'm gonna search. Little search search.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Because I mean again, I mean, we don't have like amazing stories, obviously, that we're telling about going to local, but I do remember us going there. I remember being pleasantly surprised with like a good beer because it was kind of like on a whim, and I remember there being some sort of brief argument on if we should even go to it or not, and coming out of it like, okay, that was fine, that was enjoyable. Um that's but that you know that would have been almost a decade ago.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Yeah, um local brewing SF uh it does appear to be out of business.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

And just a website that somehow maybe it was recent, I don't know. If you're in San Francisco and you are in touch with some of the beer community there, like if you can let us know what local brewing is up to, what's happening, 'cause now it's it's field work.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

It it is field work before Dryans games. 'Cause I'm showing they had an Instagram post as of four weeks ago, so I am a little confused right now as to The status local brewing company, but local local tap does appear to be a different business. Again, uh some of our SF listeners enlighten us because I would love to go and drink good beer in San Francisco. Um but that does make the question, uh are tap rooms gonna replace, you know, brewery drinking at the brewery? I mean, are we gonna have more a move to distribution? Cause it feels like the breweries distribute the ones going out, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:28

This was a conversation that I or uh an idea I had brought up quite a while ago on a different iteration of the beer me cast before on what a smart play would be in terms of business, you know, within the craft beer industry, circa 2019. Like, do you want to be opening up a brewery right now, or do you want to be opening up a tap room? And I said, I think a tap room makes the most sense, especially a tap room that has something there, like something more than just being your a hole in the wall with a 20 plus taps. I thought, for instance, and I still think for Sacramento that there needs to be someplace called City of Taps with like 30 taps that are all Sacramento and Greater Sacramento area beers, and depending on what part of Sacramento it's in, maybe play up a little bit of the theming to you know whatever it's around. So if you're near Doku enough, you know, play up the Kings a little bit, play up uh the um Republic now that the stadium will be be put in pretty soon. Um if you're in Midtown, play up the kind of the vibe of Midtown with the the older houses and just the all almost hipster vibe, but a little bit you know, things like that. So I I think tap rooms have and have had a uh a good chance at making a dent in the alcohol uh cons consumption uh realm within our our greater populace, right? So breweries closing are just gonna kind of spur that on with bigger breweries getting bigger and distributing. And my thought here is with the two kind of options being a tap room or uh a brewery tap room.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

Yeah, is Fieldwork for the craft beer lover?

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Yes. Is Fieldworks expanse with this big location a reason for these two other breweries closing? Like, have they like you know, Black Hammer, small enough place, um, a little cramped, everything's expensive these days. Local, I would only assume, like, I remember the space wasn't that big. Again, also expensive. And then you've got the big dog coming in, relatively speaking, a field work with a bay side tap room close to Giant Stadium, even closer than than they were. Did they maybe pull the crowd for just enough, like just enough people from those two breweries to their location in a time that is, you know, it's the beginning of 2026 with a rise of inflation, with uh a lot of difficulties facing all businesses. Was that enough to push these businesses that may have been struggling prior and were struggling? We know Black Hammer was struggling, because they did um the the kind of thing that New Helvetia has done, where they had a you could publicly fund them and own a part of the business through an app of some kind. Um that's just a sign that they were hurting. Um was that just enough to pull enough people away to just close them? Like it was the final straw. And I think that might be something that we're seeing or and will see in a lot of places. If there's struggling breweries that have been around for a decade plus that are that have been known to do good things, but you've got someone a little bit bigger in the area exerting a little bit of something into the local craft beer scene to take away that customer. Is that going to spur on closures? And then will we get these these what I think would be great fun tap rooms that will then source beer from a little bit bigger breweries that are doing good that have the ability to to push out more beer, also kind of squishing those breweries that might be in a difficult spot.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Yeah, I mean it's interesting because um apparently they've permanently closed as of March. So I mean, in the last you're talking within the last year more.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Since we were making this this this this list.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Yeah, so um although there is an additional caveat to local brewing companies closure, uh they had a fire back in December of twenty twenty two that destroyed the original location, and uh they had to pivot to contract brewing with East Brothers. So it sounds like that might have been, you know, uh a hardship that might have been just too much to overcome, unfortunately. You hate to see that like Yeah, at the same time, though, it it it is expensive. I mean, San Francisco's an expensive city. We were talking about drinking trends going down, you know, post-COVID, everything struggled, but you're right, if you have these, you know, known brands. Spieldwork is at this point, I would venture to say, a well-known Northern California brand, right? It's not a nationwide franchise, per se. It's once you start making canned canned NA seltzers and canned um like canned cocktails from a brewery, you start to be a little bit a little bit bigger than just like kind of covering all the bases of the current drinker, right, with the non-alcoholic with the awesome beer in general. I mean, it it something like that that moves in is going to take away beer money. Uh, you know, there's only so much beer money to go around. Um back, you know, in the early days of craft beer, there was too much beer money to go around. And now we've kind of come to uh a little bit more moderation as all the millennials have started to age past the point of been drinking IPAs for you know every weekend.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

You've got a nice perfect storm of millennials drinking a little bit less as they get a little bit older, and you've got Gen Z not wanting to drink near as much. And I don't have we even encountered Gen Alpha yet in the ages of of alcohol consumption? I God I hope not. I don't I I don't know if they are or not, but uh I would assume that they're following more of the trend of Gen Z and not drinking as much as we did when we were entering into the uh the the the alcohol um consumption era of our lives, you know, 21, 20 technically, maybe 19. Um so you know it's it's it's a it's a fascinating thing, and I think that's something that we'll we'll definitely touch more on in and uh in another episode is the the bubble, which we used to bring up in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

The bubble expanded a little more and then held and yeah, now it's starting to to leak air.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Wait, we used to talk about in 2018 about the bubble bursting, and it seems like it took another eight years or six years before it actually burst. And I because we'll discuss if it has or not, but it potentially has, and it's uh it's uh it's fascinating in a train wreck watching kind of way for the craft beer lover uh to observe and be a part of. Um not that it's making anything cheaper for the consumer at the moment. It's still pretty expensive out there. I mean Urban Roots having a$15 or 5 ounce pour of a barley wine. Uh pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

So those used to be like, you know, maybe above a dollar an ounce, or maybe two maybe two dollars an ounce, right?

unknown 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

I remember doing ten dollar or five ounces, you know, back in the day, but yeah, if we're up to fifteen. That's a three dollar an ounce pour, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

It's it and it's cheaper shots.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Fantastic, but maybe it is fantastic. At the end of the day, the quality is gonna be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Once a new maybe type situation right there.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Yeah, but um uh I think we've we can wrap up the segment by stating that uh Fieldwork China Basin, although I do want to try local tap, um looks like some good basic pre-game bites as well as uh potential tap list, although I I didn't see a tap list on their website. I would like to see how their tap list looks in person. Um so next time we go to a Giants game, we'll have to give them a shot. And then just as one more aside, when I zoomed in to, you know, the map near Oracle and was just looking at the restaurants and bars and such around, there is a Cezon Cellar and Wine Bar.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Cezon Cellar and Wine Bar.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Say that five times a little bit. So I don't know if the name is Cezon Cellar and Wine Bar, or if they have Saisons and Wine. I'm intrigued.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

I want to go to that. I want to patronize that location with my funds that I have limited.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Google says fifty to one hundred a person, so basically parking in SF.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Wait, what? Say that again?

SPEAKER_02 31:44

The Google What'd you say? The Google ranking on the cost is fifty to a hundred dollars per person. I'm guessing it's a wine bar named Saison. So I I feel lied to at this point.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Where I mean, where what what even is this?

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Well time out, time out. Dollar fifty oysters, four to five. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

I've I I can't have oysters anymore. Oh no. I had the worst food poisoning I've ever ever encountered anyone ever.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

I have as well in the past with oysters, however, that has not taken me off the oysters.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

It felt like I was just being stabbed in the stomach by like anyway, I won't get into that.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

We need to go into the dad about the time my brother and I got oyster food poisoning coming back from Dillon Beach. That is a story for another day.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

I was coming back from uh Sea Moss Landing, or not Moss Landing. See something between Monterey and here, anyway. Um, but we need to do March Brewer Breweriness. Yep. Uh Brewer. March well, March Beerness is what we did for the beer styles. March Brunus, I guess, will be this. We gotta narrow we gotta take sixty-four breweries from Nor and Sol down at least a bit before the end of this episode, and then aim for the next episode to be the full list done. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

So, real quick, just a toast to Michigan. Um great showing. Michigan handled business that whole game, uh, and won a championship. So good on them over the March Madness winner.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

What is the nod half to do with California? I swear to God. But yeah, I forgot there was a whole basketball thing called March Madness, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

So congrats to Michigan and their fans. Uh a state with good craft beer, specifically Potaski, I'm looking at you, and uh some some celebrating and some good beer in Michigan after that win.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Let's find out who our Michigan is here. Um we're gonna start in uh uh NorCal, right? You wanna do that?

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Yeah, let's start with the NorCal side. Uh SoCal side's gonna, you know, be a little more conjecture, a little bit more reputation. We don't have the fundamental SoCal knowledge, we just have our experiences to go off of. But I do believe NorCal is a good place to start to narrow these two to two down.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Where a NorCal boy is with a Z, so that was almost the end of the podcast. Um so first uh can you imagine? Uh first Urban Roots versus Crooked Lane. And the thing is, I know who's gonna win this. It's it's it but does it suck? It does it suck to see Crooked Lane so early because I think they're an underrated brewery.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Um they're 100% underrated brewery. Honestly, they might be the best brewery in Auburn.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I 100% have to agree, though. I think some of their beers that are uh found their way into uh to local shelves are not their best beer, but that tends to be the the what happens, right? You know, the beers are Crooked Lane most of they're a brewery that has many, many styles.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

They do them all well. I wouldn't say there's one style that they are head and shoulders above any other brewery, but everything they do is good, and they've always got a good selection. Um the same can be said about Urban Roots, however, I think Urban Roots personally excels in some of their aging beers. I think Urban Roots' strength is really in their aging and their kind of barreling program, even with their um like Saisons and such they do, which are I believe oak or fodder aged. Um their seasons are so good.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

I had a uh a dry hop Saison from them recently because I went to them uh for food and oh my god, their brisket.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Um literally literally what I ate most of my honeymoon, so that's but the barley wine there was great too.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

And yeah, I don't know if there's anything bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

There's a reason they're at the one-seed, even though we didn't technically see these one through thirty-two, um, them ending up as a one-seed is is fitting.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

And uh so yeah, Urban Roots goes on. Do you want to do the movement? I did it for the bearers who want to do the movement. So Urban Roots heads on into the round of 32. Now we have Amador versus Lagunitas. And I think for some of these, unfortunately, we might not speak as long as we did about the last one. I think Lagonitas takes out Amador.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Amador, not just more depth. Amador does a has a great starting lineup, um, but Lagonitas just has a lot more depth than history.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

And it's also worth saying early on here that any brewery that that gets eliminated is not one you shouldn't go to. These are all breweries.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

These already beat out many other breweries.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Yeah. These are all breweries that we think if you are questioning should I go, that you should go.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

And if there happens to be one that slipped in there that we don't think this about, uh, I'm sure we'll say. But for the most part, definitely go. Or drink your beer from them. Um next. Original pattern versus bear bottle brewing.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

So we've got a little Bay Area showdown.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Yeah. I I would knee-jerk reaction go with Bear Bottle. Even though I've had fewer beers from Beer Bottle, I think every time I've had one, I think. Oh, this is a bear bottle beer. This is this is good. Not that I've not had good beers by original pattern, but I I feel like I've had beers from them that are forgettable in a way. Like this isn't bad, but I'm not the the most remember the most the thing that makes me remember them the most is if one of their labels was a cat or something, you know? Like, then I'm like, haha, original pattern, cool. But other than that, I I don't know. I I I I personally don't if I was gonna pick a beer out of a case like at CapTap, I I kind of stay away now from original pattern if I'm gonna pick uh uh assemble my own four-pack or something. Yeah. Um I you know, maybe that's just because I want to see what else is out there, but I kind of know what to expect from them, and it's not the next level, and I'm always searching for that next dopamine hit of a new brewery or a new beer style that I haven't had in a while. They're they're they're pretty um they play it close to the belt and they play uh kind of boring now.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

It's yeah, I mean they they do a lot of IPAs. I mean, they're an IPA brewery, I'd say predominantly. Um and they do good IPAs. I mean, if you're picking up a four-pack from the store, if I'm at a store that doesn't have a ton, um I will usually still see an original pattern there and I will grab it. I mean I grabbed it today. They they do good drinking beer. Um however, bear bottle for me hits the mark um a lot more, and another thing I love about bear bottles they also post the recipe for every beer um that they brew on their can, which is a phenomenal touch. Uh great quality, transparency, also the fact that I visited them in what looked like a zombie apocalypse back at the end of COVID is a very memorable, uh uh just very memorable experience. I had also visited Original Pattern around that same time, and uh it was a great vibe, fun place to go. I suggest drinking their beer. However, bear bottle is gonna take the bracket.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

Not the whole bracket.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

No, just this this this uh matchup within the bracket.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Wow, calling it out early.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

Right. That's uh that's an overreactionary YouTube channel if I've ever heard of it.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Next we've got fieldwork versus claim stake. And damn.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

If we were going off of triple IP, even if we're going off of triple IPAs, to be honest, I mean I there's nothing to do.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Yeah, I mean, if it was triple IPAs, I take claim stake.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Um stake does phenomenal stuff. Unfortunately, Fieldwork is a powerhouse, and mostly so they're gonna be bombed.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

It can't, yeah, like in any in 99 out of a hundred matchups we would have to take fieldwork.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Again, go to Claimstake. If and they're if they're open, you know you gotta go to the show.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Go to one of their events. Now that they're hosting, you know, limited events, uh, I suggest going. It's a great vibe, it's lively, uh it's a great community, honestly. Um a little sad that they are no longer open full time, but go visit, go drink their beer, and if it's finally the younger season, get yourself to claim stake for a night getting any younger.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Ingin any younger. It's the ain't any younger. Um getting any younger. Um but yeah, field work taken next Bike Dog versus Oak Park. This is a this is a this is an interesting one for the for the Sacramento folk because I mean they're Sacramento breweries.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Um as you've if you've listened to our podcast, you know that we have been to Oak Park recently. I think they're a brewery that deserves a lot more attention and a lot more visits. They do a lot of great events. However, if we're talking beer, I'm gonna have to default to Bike Dog. I mean they're they're the reason they're the reason I have a tattoo. Not anything specifically them, just they were they were an introductory to the artist that I eventually got the tattoo based off of. Um, but also their beer is just phenomenal. I mean, the Babaris was a phenomenal bearish rush and pure stout. Uh their bohemian Pilsner was awesome. I mean I could I could name many a bike dog brew that sits in my memory for being very drinkable and very delicious.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Yeah. I mean when it comes to the Sacramento scene, bike dog's a little bit older, they've got the iconic milk stout. Um yeah. Yeah, it it's hard because Oak Park is phenomenal. Um definitely go visit them, but yeah, it's it's hard to not say bike dog there. Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Alright, let's give me personal one.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Next is Addies versus Faction. Um I can't I I don't feel comfortable making a uh making a play here.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

I I mean for me this might be a good one. I would take Addi in this quarter because I mean faction, long-running brewery, phenomenal beer, even better views from the brewery, Addies, great depth, great variety, also awesome brews. I mean, as far as like classifications of breweries, I don't think you get much closer in the fact that both breweries do a bunch of different things.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

They both do the I mean one one has uh they they dispense their beer, they they just you know send it and sell it outwardly, whereas one it's pretty much come and get it at the location, though Idees does have their beer in a couple restaurants as of uh a couple months ago. So they've re they've redone uh their distribution a little bit to tap some places.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Um Do you want to call it or do you want to flip it?

SPEAKER_00 43:54

I w I can't not say Idees, not because I feel like there's like a gun behind me or something, but like

SPEAKER_02 44:00

I just honestly enjoy their beer.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Yeah, yeah. And not just because I I've I've brewed it before and I I know the brewers and the owners, and technically I I get paid by them to do my music game.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

I think we got a coin flip it then. This might be the coin flip of the round.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Call it for call it for faction. I'm gonna flip it in three, two, one. Heads. It's heads. Damn. It's heads and a just the lucky tip.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

The lucky tip. That could have gone either way. I mean, it's funny to say that these two are in the same vein considering how much newer and how much more niche Atdees is compared to Faction, but I do believe they are very similar breweries in style.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Don't forget Atdees is uh coming up on their seventh year, sixth year.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

Wow. You know, y you say seven, and then I I realize how old I am because the last uh going on six years, well, if you include pregnancy, it's already past six years, of my daughter's life uh has gone by in a flash. Yep. As does life. As does life. Uh once a fledgling brewery is now a full blown seven-year-old brewery.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

The young brewery is now a brewery.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Um in beer years, that's that's a lot. Crafty.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

They've gone through kindergarten or they're getting into kindergarten. Um first grade. We got next. Humble C vs. Black Hammer. Now it's I mean humble black hammer.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Humble C would have won it. Regardless, but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Humble sea Humble C took the court and Black Hammer just didn't show up. So uh next is Del Ciello versus Burning Barrel. I don't know about Del Ciello, so I would pick so uh I think Del Ciello has some of the cleanest West Coast IPAs in the game right now.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

In all honesty, they're a go-to for me every time I'm at CapTap. Phenomenal IPAs. Uh that being said, Burning Barrel does a lot more. Um they definitely are gonna be on the hazy side of things, so it's a whole different ball game. But uh it's it's gotta go to Burning Barrel just based on brewing, you know, differentiation, different styles. Um they do a lot more. If it were just a West Coast IPA battle, though, it would have gone to Del Cello.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

I can dig it, I can dig it. Alrighty. Burning Barrel. But next, we got Jackrabbit versus Sierra Nevada.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

I mean we we love us some Jackrabbit. Uh never forget Plum Quad Growler Day.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Um we probably forgot some of that day, but uh you know, I no, I remember it all. I remember the pain. Um I I remember that.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Uh did you have the giant bean beanbag at that point? Because I feel like we ended up in the giant beanbag just past.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Oh, yeah, one point there's a giant I mean I passed out on a bed drooling at like 11 a.m. Uh so the setup here is me, me, Mark, and Mike, we we had had growler fills each of different beers. One was a plum quad from Jackrabbit, another one was another beer from Jackrabbit. They're all Jackrabbit beers.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

It was it was like a Dubel, a plum quad.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

They uh they weren't supposed to put the the plum quad into the growler. We had to get approval from like someone above the pourer to do it.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Yeah, and it was one of the someone that we had we we were regulars at Jackrabbit for a minute, and uh it was one of the the beer tenders or managers who saw us frequently and was like, why not? These seem like upstanding citizens will be responsible with a growler full of plum quad.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Yeah, they were wrong.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

And we were um we well no, we we we drank it responsibly in a closed, controlled environment where we are.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah, I mean um but uh yeah, it was um memorable.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Uh that being said, it's Sierra Nevada. It was fun.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Yeah, no, Syria, I mean, what are we doing if we don't pick Sierra Nevada, right?

SPEAKER_02 48:41

One of the most iconic berries of the West Coast in the last goddamn, are they already past forty years?

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Jackrabbit? Oh, Sierra Nevada.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

They have to be.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Yeah. So as old as you get when it comes to craft beer. Is there an elder statesman? Uh I'm sure there's some older. I mean, there might be Lost Coast, has been around a very long time, North Coast. Uh Stone, I think, is a little bit younger. If you want to include Sam Adams, New Belgium, they're around that, you know. But uh overall, yeah, um, one of the elder statesmen of Craft Beer. So, moving on to the next matchup, we have Super and Moonraker.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, and that's um Talk about different styles. That's a that's that's one where I I can I can play devil's advocate for each. You know what I mean? Agreed. Um I think uh Today If I were anyone picking today, I would go with Sud Work. But tomorrow I might go with Moonraker.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

You know, I I I feel like this bracket's kind of in need of an upset, and I feel like this just might be their day.

SPEAKER_00 50:08

You think Sud Work is an upset over Moonraker?

SPEAKER_02 50:11

I do. I I believe Moonraker just from a popularity, from the fact they brew a lot of different styles, is is the favorite here. You know, Yojo, they brought they brought Hazes kinda into prominence in the Sacramento area. However, I think uh some just plays a very very rounded style of ball that can withstand that hype. I mean I think they I think they can take it.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Yeah, I think Sudwork. I yeah, I mean the the No disrespect. They are like the the OG in our area of making loggers known hanging around a thing.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

People thought Sudwork was gonna close. I think they might have closed at various points in time, but they just keep coming back. They are persistent, they brew quality.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Cockroach of the brewery culture.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

I would say cockroach, it's that's a negative connotation, but I mean, yeah, you can't crush them. They can't keep a good beer down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

No, we're upset. Uh next, this is a fascinating one. I think what narrows this out, in my opinion, from Moxa, is that I think they both do really well, really good West Coast, really good hazy IPAs.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Sure. But then Moxa has really good barrel aging. Moxa has really good uh other like they can do other things. But then again, I am not as versed with Hen House, but can you disagree on the fact that Moxa does as good as Henhouse in the s in the styles matchup, but does more as well?

SPEAKER_02 51:57

So Moxa does phenomenal hazy's, they do phenomenal pastry stouts. However, if you're talking about bear-aging in a you know pure form, Hen House does actually do a lot of uh bear-aged beers. I mean, it's probably not a large portion of their menu, but I've had many from them. Um that is that's I mean, I I have the hen house bias. I feel like you have the mox bias.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

I I think that's like as as a rule of thumb, if I'm gonna grab for a beer, I'm gonna take mox over henhouse.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

See, I'm on the opposite. If I if I see hen house, you know, on a shelf, uh they're for me, they're a constant grab. I have purchased much more hen house than I have Moxa.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

And I've definitely purchased way more Moxa. Um, are we going to keep this to just beer? We're this is only beer, we're not talking about anything outside beer.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Yeah, I think we have to that way.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

Um I still think Moxa. I I mean, are we coin flipping this or do you wanna do you wanna How many coin flips are we allowed per per quarter here? Uh I don't know if we have a uh a thing.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Uh I mean I think one per one per quarter is fair, and I I feel like I I can't concede because I I'm I'm ride or die for hen house.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Do you mind if I if I call it in the air?

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Yes, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

I'm calling for I'm calling for Moxa. Click and then I'm gonna say what I'm thinking. So Tails. Today's today's a heads day. Um apparently.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

So we're moving the hen house.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

I don't like that, but you know, if that is if that is a um any better of a sales pitch to go to Moxa, one of their two locations, they have great food too, and they do coffee and um but their beer is is next level. The collaboration between Moxa and Sierra Nevada, that I still have one of, um delicious barreled stout, go for it. Um but we're moving on. We're moving Drake's versus Cellarmaker. No question in my mind at all who wins this.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

Ah, so yeah. In all honesty, Drake's is a vastly underrated brewery. Um with Cellarmaker's acquisition of Rare Barrel, I I think they definitely take it. But Drake's does phenomenal beer. I do suggest checking out their San Leandro location because that um is where they have so many of their styles. They have a very underrated sour game, but their sours do not compare to rare barrels, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

No. Which I mean, who can? No one's supposed to. That that's pinnacle.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

It's peak.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

But yeah, Drake's Drake's is, I feel, um, severely underrated. Everyone sees their 1500, um, but what they don't see is all the stuff that you can get actually at the barn here in West Sacramento and San Leandro. Um San Leandro, I would say, is their premier location, in my opinion. I haven't been to their Oakland dealership, actually, I don't believe. So I probably call it a dealership. That that's what they call it. They call it the dealership. I think I believe, and of course, this is going off memory, it is located in an old dealership. Um kind of the same thing as Crooked Lane. I haven't been though, so I'm not 100% on that. So chime in the comments, tell me uh your experience if you've been to the dealership in Oakland.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Next. Monk's seller versus Altamont.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Oh, that this hurts because they're both both breweries I love. However, um if we're going off food, it's Monk Cellar. If we're going off beer, it's Altamont. Because I will never ever give up that Scotch Egg and that beer to guard. That's just a phenomenal pairing. Phenomenal beer, they do great work, but uh Altamont has hands down one of my top three triple IPAs in scarcity, as well as just a great lineup of beer in general.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

I mean we could talk about it for for a bit, but uh when it comes to beer strictly, yeah, there's there's really no comparison.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

Um But uh if you're in Roseville and there is a concert, go to Monkseller, go to said concert, have yourself a great night.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

Next. Parliament brewing and Geist House.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

I mean Parliament's a lot about it so I'm gonna go Geist. Yeah, but I mean Parliament's got some fun stuff, they've got some good beer, had nice barley wine from 'em. Um, Geist House, however, uh, whilst a specialized brewery just does what they do so well. It's it's gotta go Geist House. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 57:08

Geist House, pretty quick next. New Glory versus Russian River. Oh as much as local local brewery versus the the the NorCal uh arguably one of the NorCal favorites. I think I think Russian River, I mean we can't I mean the everything that New Glory does, I think you can find a better pairing from Russian River. And then they do more.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Outside of maybe the one time we had that adjunct Saison flight, because that peppercorn Saison will live on my memory. Um But yeah, I mean Russian River, you you can't argue with the fact that they have two boards worth of just phenomenal beer. They have an American side and obviously the more Belgian side. Um both sides of their board are just they only grew bangers, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 58:03

That's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

Go get you a flight of twenty-two and have yourself a grand old time.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Oh, it not there's it's one of the better craft beer experiences you can have on a regular basis. That's that's always available. Just go with it.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

And their brewer tour at their uh uh Winslow Windsor one of the W. W location brewery. Um I will say I think I enjoy the pizza and food experience in there.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

Um not Santa Wildbreak, Santa Rosa. Uh in their Santa Rosa location, their original location is just such a great vibe. Um, but the tour at their new location is a phenomenal tour. Go go during kind of the younger season. You'll get yourself a uh tasting.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Good things about them, yeah. They they in their sour game, uh, just yeah, everything's good. Um North Coast versus Ghost Town. Um I Damn. No, I mean for me, it's not even it's not so difficult. But not that I don't like Mising North Coast, but I've been to North Coast brewing a fair few times. Um more than I've been to Ghost Town.

unknown 59:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

I've had more North Coast beer than Ghost Town. 100% I would take Ghost Town beer over North Coast. Um I l and not to say that like North Coast doesn't make a beer, but like, and they've been around a long time and they they've got a good history, but they stopped brewing some of their beers. They stopped brewing some of their their classics.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

And um which ones did they stop?

SPEAKER_00 59:45

Um god damn. That was like they're red.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Oh, they stopped brewing red seal?

SPEAKER_00 59:53

Not the red seal, there's another one. Anyway, like I remember it was it was a red logo with with uh the girl swinging. Do you remember that logo?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

Oh, um. I believe so.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

I got the I got the metal tin card of it when I was there once because they were like on the cheat because they weren't brewing it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Like it's just I I think North Coast does a few things extraordinarily well. I mean, you you talk about older sputin, you talk about Brother Felonius, I mean you talk about Scrimshop Hills, they have beers that will stand the test of time, however, they do not have, I'd say, the diversity of beers that Ghost Town does, and Ghost Town does a large diversity of beers very well.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

And I have a collaboration of all time as a Geist house. I mean Ghost Town. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Uh Ghost Town, yeah, they're they're just a phenomenal brewery.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

What were you saying about the collaboration though?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

Oh, uh Humble Sea did a anniversary collaboration with Ghost Town, and it is one of the best hot profiles I've had in 2026. So phenomenal. Yeah. It's that cap tap right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

If you find yourself in Fort Bragg, go to North Coast, but oh yeah, great food.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:09

Ghost out great beer. But um, yeah, they don't have the range in this modern beer era.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

I would say the food is good. I wouldn't say great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

It's been a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

I it's it's it's it's it is better than fine, but it's not great.

unknown 1:01:26

Fair.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

Um which maybe that's me being a little uh but like I think that there's a there's a pizza place close by and um Fort Bragg that has better food that you can get up at.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:37

You will never be disappointed if you purchase a scrimshaw, if you purchase a brother Thelonius, if you purchase an older sputin, you'll never be disappointed. No, great, great great quality, great beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Yeah. And on the on the backs of those three beers do they stay afloat? Um we're moving to Southern California, to where the palm trees sway. Uh um when the Lakers play, I guess. I don't know. Um first matchup is Highland Park versus the brewery slash offshoot. This is not scared because it's almost like two breweries versus Highland Park, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

Again, this is like a seller maker rare barrel situation. Like the brewery has done some of the funkiest, weirdest adjunct beer for a long time on subscription basis. Then they opened up an IPA brewery and just continued throwing up shots. So uh I like Highland Park. They're a fun brewery with some fun Ken Art and some good beer, but uh they they got a tough matchup here. It's it's gotta go.

unknown 1:02:35

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

And next we move into some uh, for me at least, territory that I just I'd have no opinion on because it's GameCraft versus Pizza Port. I've had a couple Pizza Port beers here and there, mostly just little tasters at uh beer fests, uh maybe like an IPA and a can. Gamecraft, no clue, couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

Um so Pizza Port for me is the one that you know you're gonna see on the shelves, you're gonna grab it. Although having visited GameCraft, um I remember specifically, I think they had like a Jasmine Rice Lager, they've had some great IPAs. Uh they're from what I remember a smaller brewery with just uh a great vibe and a great lineup of beer. For Pizza Port, my my memories of Pizza Port are the stuff you find on the shelf. Um, you know, they've got kind of a busy can, it's got a very porty vibe. Um I think one of them actually has like one of the ship windows on it, but uh I could remember beers from Gamecraft. I can't readily remember Pete Sport beers, so I'm gonna say Gamecraft gets the gets the matchup here.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

I will not argue. But next so Birgeon beer.

unknown 1:03:57

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

Birgeon or Birgeon versus Dionysus. Um I've had Dionysus, not Birgeon, so I have great experiences with both.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

However, I think Birgeon um just does a little more. I mean, I I if you're driving down the five, visit Dionysus. It's a great little stop before you hit the grapevine. It's barely off of the beaten path there, and uh just a nice, nice little brewery in the middle of middle of California. But Burgeon, they do a lot more collabs, they've got just a better, in my recent experience, roster. It's gotta go Burgeon.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

Alright. And next, Figueroa versus Ailsmith. Uh I've had more Figaro than Ailsmith, but you didn't tell me what you were thinking. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Oh, Ailsmith is an every trip visit when I go down to San Diego.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Um, then this is Figaroa Mountain, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Yeah, yeah. Um Figaroa Mountain does some good stuff, but I mean Ailsmith, you talk about their uh their Speedway, Imperial Stout. Um if you've ever had the Vietnamese coffee version of that, it is phenomenal. Um yeah, they're 394, uh pale, it's a nod to a famous pottery player, and just overall a great lineup of beers. Uh a great brewery. Um Ail Smith is to me uh a San Diego staple up on with the likes of Stone. I mean they they are one, I don't feel like it's the recognition Stone does, just from a branding standpoint, because they kind of have a very approachable, relaxed kind of branding. Uh it's not nearly as aggressive, but um I mean on the on the Speedway Stout series alone it it's gonna take it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:47

I've had those. I I've had a couple ones. Oh, they're they're as well. I haven't had the the best apparently, but yeah, I'm I'm comfortable with moving them on.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Uh alright, next we got hangar. 24 and three stacks in a rock, so I'm gonna leave this to you. Um hangar twenty-four was my early introduction to craft beer, however, uh I don't even know if they make beers anymore at this point. Like we checked and they looked to be open still. Um but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Three stocks and a rock. The beers were okay. They're good. Um I could drink them. Uh the the location is fun because it's right in the in you know in Morrow Bay. It's it's uh right off the bay. I mean it's right there. It's in an old um sea line rescue building. Used to be a building that had tanks with sea lines for for for you know rehabilitation before readmittance to the to the marina. Um and when it comes to Hangar 24, I I I I don't know anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

They have a chocolate porter, they have an orange wheat. Do you have two better beers than a chocolate porter and orange wheat?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

I can't name I can't name the beers, but I can I think I'm Do you remember tasting beers?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

There were more than two that I had that were tasty. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

Um I think uh three sacks in a rock, the fact that they're still there is great. They were almost kicked out by the city from their location, and the people rose up and kept them there. That alone is gonna get them to the next uh round where they lose to either Stone or Alvarado Street.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:32

They're one of those small programs that that made a good run. Like made it past the first round.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

People are whispering, is that is it a Cinderella story? I think this might be a Cinderella story. Hey everybody, it's a Cinderella story. Oh, I broke so many brackets. Uh Stone versus Elvarado. I know where my I know where my heart lies. I mean And I know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

There's a reason Stone Brewing has a beer called Arrogant Bastard because they are allowed to be arrogant because they have been a phenomenal brewery for some.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:13

I haven't had it in a long time, but I I don't I remember not liking it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

Uh delicious Chocovesa. Alvarado Street. Alvarado Street. I mean, if you're gonna force the coin flip, you can force the coin flip.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

It is it is one of those breweries that every like whenever I have anything with them, it's just good. Their IPAs, they're they're barrel-aged stout. The chop and scrape is my favorite ever, barrel-aged out.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:44

Enjoy after Britannamy's IPA, where they specifically told you to wait to drink that's fun, but there's also beers have been made by all Rado Street, and they make say songs.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

Can you name one? No, but like just because you have an almanac like an almanac uh memory of any beer you've ever touched, doesn't mean that it's better. I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

I can listen to I literally got a memory recently on my phone about Chocovesa time. Chocovesa the last few years a neho barrel.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

Chocovesa the last few years has been weak as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:22

Points unknown. I mean, Stone back when bombers were a thing, they had just the most ridiculously outrageous phenomenal bombers. I mean, if you want a course to coin flip, I'll I'll I'll yield.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

I I think Alvarado is is a better brewery per beer. Just beer by beer. I think no matter what style what beer you get from them, it's gonna be good versus stone. There are beers I know I don't like from them.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

I mean, yeah, you throw up enough shots, you're gonna miss a couple. But hey, you know, if you want to flip, I will call.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

Alright. Uh so give me a second here. Alright. You're calling for a stone. Three, two, one. Tails. It's a heads day, man. It's heads. Oh, seriously?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

I was going for the regression to the mean. Alright, that is a serious upset, and uh one I would question the referees on.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

Overall Street BB. Oh yeah. Um, I'm stoked. Uh three weavers versus Duckfoot. Um I would say Duckfoot.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

I would too. If it were based on hats, three weavers would get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

Um fuck you. Fuck you in your in your in your free hat that you got out of beer. Twice. Twice? Twice. And then I didn't get one out of it. Did you not give that one away to someone else or some shit? Or did you just not get it?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:58

No, I got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

I had two.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

One of them's I still have one uh in my closet. It's my it's my lawn hat now. Um but it's just such a great such a great thing. But yes. Unfortunately, Dougfoot.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

I wanted that hat so bad. What did you end up buying? That was I I bought I bought a hat when I've when I visited the brewery later on.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

Okay, but at the beer fest you bought this like Sacramento shirt, I think it was.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:26

Dude, such a sick shirt. Yeah, it doesn't fit me anymore and it's somewhere here. But it's Sacramento uh spelled out with beer taps. Um and it's oh, that's one of my favorite shirts of all time. I wish I uh didn't put on 60 pounds since I bought it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

Um back in our 20s when we could drink beer all day. Not kidding.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:47

Yeah. Um Duckfoot is a phenomenal brewery.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

I sell two Duckfoot shirts.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

I still remember you and Mike going to Watt 80 instead of Watt Man Love. Um Mission Brewery versus Carl Strauss. Honestly, I well go for it, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:07

For me, um, having visited both, Carl Strauss has been around for a long time. The red trolley ale is famous for a reason, but I can honestly not name another beer I like from them or K.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Don't they have a beer called like Hop Hop Autonomous or Hop Hopp something? Um I don't know. I I know of a good number of the random Hazy and and West Coast IPs from being served in uh California Adventure. So um I picked them because I think that uh they have their their beers were refreshing on a hot day in California Adventure.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

I think Mission Brewery for me um just epitomizes kind of a original approach to craft beer. They do a lot of homebrew collabs, they brew a lot of different styles. I don't think there were more than three of one style on their board last time I visited. Um for me, I think they have the bandwidth to uh to last a whole game against Carl Strauss. I think Carl Strauss is uh one of those big program names that you recognize, but doesn't have a lot of depth.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

I'm not gonna flip you on it. Um I would pick Carl Strauss, but if you if you feel strongly mission, let's do it. Yeah, I'm gonna hit the mission here. Alright. Next we've got Central Coast versus Dust Bowl. And upon first glance, um, I was thinking Central Coast, because I'd been to the brewery a couple times, and I remember having like being kind of like apprehensive of going and and uh when I was there, just having a really nice time. The beer itself was good, and I remember one specific time visiting when I was staying in Slow for my birthday, I want to say it was like 2018, and the service I got was incredible. I remember them just being really nice, and um it was one of like it's one of those interactions that I've had where before I actually worked in the industry, I remember thinking I I want to emulate some of that to make people feel welcome at a brewery. Um it can be more important at times than the beer itself. That being said, the beer itself, Dustbowl, I think, I think takes it over Central Coast.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Yeah, Dust Bowl does a lot of things really well. I think uh my favorite location of theirs is their um barn-looking location in Turlock Red Off 99. Uh they have recent location in Elk Grove, which is pretty good. But um, yeah, overall, they do a great beer. I mean their taco truck lager, great, just summer beer. Um every time I go, it's it's good beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:54

Not to mention the one that's in um uh in Elk Grove, it's like a train themed. And then the one that's in Monterey is like kind of like they have one in Monterey. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's right next to the to the bay, on your way in. Um, so it's not near like uh the the uh the marina Monterey Bay Aquarium, but it's it's on the the way to that kind of peninsula area.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

I haven't driven by it, but it looks like it could be themed as like a marina type thing. So like for the autistic in me. The fact that it's all themed after boats and trains and like farm, like it's just fun. Um next we've got common space versus modern times. I've had a lot of common space for free because uh we know the owner, one of the owners of common space. Um that being said, I never thought their beers were that good, unfortunately. So modern times wins this without I've I've been to many modern times locations. Yeah. The beer is always good. Um I just realized we don't have a brewery on the SoCal list. Um I'm pretty sure. Let me look. How did we let this happen, my guy?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:18

Uh-oh. What did we miss?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

Belching beaver.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:24

Wow. Yeah. I mean, do we do we pull uh uh an audible here and say that three sacks and a rock uh just just gets discovered in the tournament? Or or were or do we just let the let the record show that belching beaver was snubbed from this tournament due to ineptitude by the judging committee?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

Um no.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

I think that uh the judging committee has failed.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:59

Is there a brewery that's remaining that we haven't gone over in the SoCal that you just don't know anything about?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:07

Liberty First Workside Bottom Logic Kings. None of them don't know a lot about Kings. Feels a little fucked up to boot them out um at this stage, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:18

No, we're we're putting Belching Beaver there. We're putting Belching Beaver there. Kings Bruin kind of sorry. We deserve all the hate comments from Kings. No if we kick that out. Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. You do replace you do replace three stacks in a rock with Belching Beaver.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:35

Yeah, sorry, three stacks in a rock. Yeah. Um, they're start playing. They were the last on the list. They couldn't feel they were the they were the ones that barely made it in.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:44

The thing is, Belching Beaver is going into fire against Alvarado Street now, so like I think that's more fair than if they went against either pure or monkish, because I feel like that's like late edition like favoritism.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

So I mean this is definitely this is more oversight though.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

But uh yeah, this isn't favoritism. When I was thinking of modern times, I'm like, what's another brewery that's like them? Oh shit, Belching V. Oh no. Oh no, they're not there. Alright. Um okay, anyway. Modern times takes over common space. Next, we got Mike Hess versus Lost Abbey. I don't know enough about Mike Hess to make the comment. I would say Lost Abbey.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:26

The next two, I I don't know how much experience you have with uh I I would also agree Lost Abbey, just better breath or uh better better overall quality and uh style for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:37

I've had Tyoga Sequoia quite a bit. It's one of um my friend Peter's favorite breweries. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

So I've had a bottom is a cool local San Diego brewery. They do some good stuff, but I would say I think I take Tyoga Sequoia over him.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:53

Alright, let's do it. Tyoga. Tyoga. Next. Society versus Is that is that what I'm reading right? That's not versus Bottle Logic.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

Now Bottle Logic has, I feel like the hype. They do the PC chats, they do cool stuff, but society has such a wide breadth of beers that they do phenomenally. They're almost akin to um why am I liking a Russian river and the fact they do two sides of their board, an American and a Belgian, and uh yeah, never had a bad beer for society. Uh for me that's society on. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:29

Firestone Walker versus Libertine.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:31

Alright, I'm gonna let you go ahead and uh debate yourself on this one for a minute. And uh I'm gonna let you come to this decision because you have the most experience with both of these.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Okay. Um so Firestone Walker and Libertine. The thing about both is they they do a good sour. They definitely do a good sour. They do have a good selection of sours, and that is because mainly libertine just does sours. Um I went to Libertine at the same visit uh same visit slow that I did Central Coast brewing, and I left with a much better experience at Libertine from their beer specifically. They had a great atmosphere there as well. Uh it's in the middle of San Luis Obispo, from what I remember correctly. And it it was it was something of a um of an enigma to me to figure out how so many people were enjoying this barrel-aged, sour type beer, because it's not necessarily something that is you know widely seen as what's gonna bring a crowd. Uh it kind of reminded me of Rare Barrel in that way too, because Rare Barrel would have a lot of people showing up that were enjoying themselves. Um it had that same kind of vibe, but it when I was there at least, and this is again like 2018, it was electric. It was it was busy to get in, it took like we thought we'd have to wait a little bit to get in, even though it's a big location. Um for all that being said about Libertine and singing its praises Forest and Walker, man. It's the brewery loc if you've ever if you're ever driving by on the one. Oh my god, it's a campus. It they have a separate store for like gear and stuff, and that's not to say just because they have merch makes it better. They have the ability to have the merch. And their brewery itself is on par with the likes of the size of Sierra Nevada and um Smith Stone. Yeah, it's R IP C and it's gorgeous. It's just it's such a good place. Um and now let's get to their beers, because their beers, they they like I said, they do sours, but they do bear age, but they do IPAs, but they have the DBA, you know, like it it it's DBA's good beer. They they do so much when it comes to the beer scene, right? They are such a namesake, like just uh one of my favorite beer breweries of all time, if not in easily in my top three breweries of all time. And when you go to their location you're you're gonna have a good time. I don't I don't know. But the thing is, Libertine, it really does it does fill that kind of like rare barrel void if you're in slow.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:33

If you have one night in San Luis Obispo, that's where you're going. I mean i or if you're taking a one road trip.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:40

One stop. You're going there.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

If you're taking a road trip, uh hit both Firestonewalker and San Luis Obispo, because why not? Oh the cut. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:47

And the thing is, if you're in slow, if you have if you have to pick one brewery that's slow, Libertine. And then Central Coast, and then there does not exist. So that's kind of how I rank those, and then anyone else below is uh you know one at one point Tap It. Tappet is great.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

They did some what was what was the chili beer that put us on to Tappet way back in the day? It was a nitro scorpion scorpion chili, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:20

It was a night nitro scorpion chili uh lager.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:24

Or paleo, I was it pale or lager? I can't even remember now. It was so long ago. Was it cask? Was it on cask?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:31

No, it was not. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Okay, it was on nitro, not cask.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:35

But man, um, but next, King's Brewing versus Full Circle. I'm gonna let you do the same here, sir. I don't know yet anything about these two.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:44

Uh King's Brewing does a lot of great collabs, a lot of great beer. However, I think Full Circle has um just a wider range. I uh I will say the one time I had visited Fres Full Circle in Fresno um was a different vibe than any brewery I'd ever been to. There was spoken word happening, it was uh just a phenomenal experience. They have a great lineup of beers, um whereas I think King's if I had ever visited the brewery, I might be coming away with a different opinion. I think King's Brewing does phenomenal beer, everything I've ever had with their logoing has been very drinkable, very well brewed. Um however I think Full Circle is one of the better breweries you're gonna find in the Central Valley in Fresno. Um for me, I think Full Circle's gonna take it here. But yeah, um outside of that uh for for my Kings fans, um not not Sacramento Kings fans, for or the Kings Brewing fans in the chat, uh tell me your favorite beer from them and uh let me know what I need to do when I go and uh visit SoCal again, 'cause I would like to try more Kings Brewings beers. Um but yeah, full circle, one of the best in the Central Valley. Um Phenomenal beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:10

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:11

I think this brings us to the end of our round of thirty-two on each side, so thirty-two matchups here, and this is the last matchup. Monkey versus pure project. Oh my gosh, that is whew. I would say two I was gonna say you you're talking about two of the most hazy hype era breweries to come out of Southern California. I mean, both of these breweries rely so much on marketing just hop forward beers, just just awesome. Let's punch you in the mouth with hot beer. I mean, I I've had some beers from both these breweries. I mean, during the Craft Beer Hype era, these were breweries that people would pay like ridiculous shipping for trades to get to, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:09

I remember that if you had a pure, it was like, how? Like where'd you get that? Like a NorCal. It's like, where'd you like how'd you get a pure? Like, what?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Oh yeah, and and ha having visited both these I I I'm not coming away um with honestly any anything I think just distinguishes one from the other. I mean my my bias would be monkish. Yeah, my right, two two pure two pure things. Um my bias would be that the artist who's a hopgle tattoo I now sport does the can art for monkish, so my personal bias would be monkish. Just going full full personal bias here.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:59

Yeah. Um I'm gonna have vibes, you know what I mean? Like, I don't have a real reason to distinguish one from the other, other than like I I just knee-jerk reaction, I thought monkish.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

So the time I visited Pure Project, uh, it's located right next to Duckfoot, and I will say I like the vibes of Duckfoot better. Pure Project felt like you're getting in line for like hype merch. It's probably died down a little bit in recent years, but um the vibe at Duckfoot was better for me. And if I was in that neighborhood, and they're literally like blocks away from each other, I'm probably going to Duckfoot. And for me, that means monkeys should take it.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:41

Alright. And that brings us down to we have thirty two breweries now, now out of sixty four. We have it. Let me run through what we got with our next matchups. I think we'll probably leave it here though. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:57

I think we're running a little long, and I I think we can probably just kill the bracket next episode and uh for all of you who listen to us and say why the fuck are you guys just talking about beer and breweries for an hour straight uh this is what the podcast is bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

Enjoy the rat grab beer it literally is uh but let's let's let's let's see how our final thirty two going down by the matchup starting NorCal Urban Roots vs Lagonitas then we've got bear bottle vs field work following by bike dog vs faction humble sea vs some pain in these matchups Sierra Nevada vs Sudwork Hen House vs cellar maker Altamont vs Geist House Russian river vs ghost town some of these matchups crazy all right next SoCal we have the brewery slash offshoot versus gamecraft burgeon versus a smith belching beaver versus Alvarado Street uh uh R.I.P. three sacks to Rock you had a great round go go to the go to that brewery when you're in Monterey though for sure like no joke go there um when you're in anyway uh then we have Duckfoot versus Mission Brewery Dust Bowl versus modern times Lost Abbey versus Tyoga Sequoia Society versus Firestone Walker and Full Circle versus Monkish now just like it has been going yo this episode uh and yeah what you can get the the vibe from is we know NorCal more than we know SoCal. Some of these NorCal um matchups are gonna be harsh. I think next episode we'll start with SoCal because of that. But is there one matchup right now that you're looking at that you know we're gonna have some trouble with like either because we both favor one of the other breweries or one where inside of yourself you're just like how do how can I pick from these two?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:11

I mean inside of myself we're looking at Humble Sea vs Burning barrel and uh oh that's that's that's some internal turmoil right there.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:23

That's that's gonna be tough yeah I mean well I I know which one you're gonna pick I I can tell you right now but um I can see that.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:34

I don't know honestly I I oh I I might have to get one beer from each do a blind tasting to decide the winner of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:45

And don't forget I have a say in it too.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:49

Um we m we might have to uh each do a blind tasting and then if we are opposed do a coin flip or something because that is like take the labels off and on the bottom with Sharpie write which one's which and then like Yeah or or have our our our significant others uh uh pour and write underneath the cup or something something um I you know I I am if I'm looking at at a matchup that I'm the most split on I think it has to be the uh the the Belching Beaver Alvarado Street um I think I think I don't know like I've I've been to both uh I've been to Belching Beaver locations I've been to Alvarado Street locations I've had a lot of Belching Beaver beer if I love Alvarado Street beer it's it's uh that's a rough one that's that's gonna be that's gonna be some only I think it's gonna come down to whatever uh the day brings and uh your your input for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

Yeah and um the U versus I matchup is I believe going to be society versus Firestone Walker. I know we didn't really talk a lot about society in this round because it felt like just an easy win for society but uh oh I'm I'm fighting I will force a co should we just do a coin flip now?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:26

You know what I mean? Like a Firestone Walker I mean Dude the lineup of all different styles of beers they do. Oh Dude society has two different boards Firestone Walker has multiple different boards they have whole series of of of different age like sours. They have a whole uh you know the I yeah I I th I think there's more I think there's more beers made by Firestone Walker than this I mean I feel like we need to go to SoCal and get a flight in each brewery for this fight but uh considering that's not in the budget we're just gonna have to debate it out and uh that one might end in coin flip. We'll see I don't know but uh yeah we've we've got some fun coming your way with the next episode so thank you for listening to this episode of the Beerme Cast. You can follow us on Instagram at BeerMeCast. You can email us at beermecast at gmail dot com and uh in the comments on Instagram or on that the you know the email route just let us know what you're thinking. Let us know your uh your prediction and who do you believe deserves to go to the next round uh especially in the SoCal breweries because yeah let us know your your SoCal favorites uh who we missed who deserves more respect and uh yeah so if we miss Belching Beaver until like more than halfway through going through SoCal breweries what other big SoCal brewery do we not put in here?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:01

You know like um I mean honestly I'm sure we missed one I mean we hit we hit the we hit the bigs we hit the the Carl Strauss's the stones the the modern times the First and Walkers uh Bruce Stone we coin flipped we coin flipped and uh it was an upset oh that's what it was okay I was like I don't see it in the green it should be there somehow Alvarado's Alvarado oh oh it's a worstone that's right my screen was blocking it because I'm bad ref call bad ref call no I I I I f I fully take I think Alvaro Street yeah all right again thank you for listening we will catch you next week listen to what you think while we uh think on the next round go out there and try a beer cheers cheers