Fleeing Reality Ain't Cheap: Hantavirus, Housewives & Expensive Habits

Dr. JJ and Dr. Domi are back with their candid, unfiltered take on medicine, pop culture, and surviving modern life. This week: a scary virus is making headlines, the surgeon general seat is shuffling again, and our favorite two doctors get real about why escapism has become their most expensive habit.

In this episode:

0:00 — Intro & welcome to No Other Skills, MD
1:20 — Spilling the Clinical Tea: Hantavirus is in town and we're nervous
5:16 — Surgeon General update: Dr. Casey Means is out, meet the new nominee Dr. Nicole Sapphire
8:10 — Main topic: Escapism — what it is, why we're all doing more of it
10:50 — Retail therapy deep dive: Is buying expensive jeans actually cheaper than therapy?
17:10 — Golf as escapism: Getting lost on the course at 6am
19:06 — Real Housewives of Beverly Hills: Dorit, foreclosure, and a million-dollar clothing habit
27:50 — Rants & Raves: Go Valkyries! WNBA season is back and the energy is unmatched
31:00 — Wrap up & farewell

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to No Other Skills MD, where I, Dr. JJ, a psychiatrist in desperate need of a mental break. And I, Dr. Domi, a pediatric anesthesiologist with a dusty degree in fashion design, explore the intersections of medicine, personal growth, pop culture, and surviving a dictatorship.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

From dissecting the absurdities in healthcare, navigating midlife transformations, and delving into the latest newsworthy topics.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Join us as we share candid conversations and learn more because we have no other skills, MD.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

And just remember, although we are both doctors, we are not your doctors. So please seek out your own physicians for actual medical advice. Good to see you, Dr. JJ. Great to see you. Can I tell you something that one of our listeners has told me that I didn't know if anybody noticed that we totally gave up on saying no other skills MD together? That's right. We used to say that in sync and it just was not working out. And we just hoped nobody would notice. Yeah. So someone did. They pointed it out. That's good feedback. They're like, didn't you say you guys are going to get that together soon? I was like, nobody's listening. But apparently people are, in fact, listening.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

I do. I think we do have some fans out there. So we want to say hi to y'all. And hopefully you're catching this as it breaks.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

All right. So let's delve into spilling the clinical tea. This is our personal take on current medical news. And there's a new virus in town. Hontavirus. Whoop whoop. I'm nervous. I am still not recovered from 2020. And can I tell you, I've always had a fear of hontivirus just by virtue of living in New York City and rats. Okay. So I've always known about it. I'm sure obviously we've learned about it in medical school. But because the rats in New York City are the size of children, it's always been a fear of mine that there's rat feces in random places and something dusts it up and you inhale it. So it's always been a fear of mine. And now it's gonna be a real fear.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Yeah, I mean, I have not had this lifelong fear of pontivirus. I think because it doesn't come up too much out here, except for when you we've I've heard a little bit about this in outbreaks in national parks when people are staying in a cabin really deep in the woods somewhere, a place I would never go to. So I've sort of been able to have a bit of a buffer around this fear. But this was uh, I think it was two birders, um, some people who are on an epic journey through South America, and they went to a garbage dump to look for specific birds, and that's where this is.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

There was an update where they say now it wasn't the birders. Oh, it wasn't. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

That's what they said.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

That was the last thing I read. Oh no. Shout out to the ornithologists, I think those are people who study birds, and as an amateur bird watcher myself, but you will not find me at a dump. I could tell you that right now. There are plenty of places to find birds.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

I mean, I really have to start verifying my stories here because I literally read something.

unknown 3:11

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

When I say read something, it might have been a TikTok, so don't quote me on it. But we're still trying to find out. And also, is this person to person? Is this the Argentinian strain of hontivirus where it can be spread person to person as opposed to just exposure to rat feces or rats? Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Have they actually yeah, have they evacuated anybody? I thought that I heard that that was the case that some people have left the boat.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I think they're they're spoon feeding us information because they just don't want a repeat of 2020. Hontivirus in general has a higher mortality than COVID, which sounds scarier, but I guess maybe won't transmit as quickly because people get sicker uh quicker.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I'm not sure about the incubation period, but I think it is a pretty quick death. So you get sick right away, so hence potentially isolate um sooner than you would with COVID or the like.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

So it might be respiratory, it could also be kind of GI symptoms and then you're bleeding everywhere. And good times, good times.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Quick at least. Um sorry to be so morphic, but final destination. It's also the the ship that they were on wasn't just uh, you know, run of the Middle Caribbean cruise. I think it's actually a boat that's going across the Atlantic Ocean, like from Argentina for multiple weeks, not stopping or being near land for two plus weeks, which is extremely frightening to think of to start with, uh let alone hontavirus on top of it. Nightmare. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

I'm hoping this is like monkeypox, where we thought it was gonna be this huge thing, and then it ended up not being so huge. I that's fingers crossed, that's what it is. We're not due for another pandemic. We can't handle it. And let me tell you, who cannot handle it is the current administration.

unknown 5:06

No.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Got it together the last time. And yeah, and speaking of the new administration, right? We have an update to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

An update. Yeah, so the former Surgeon General nominee, Dr. Casey Means, has been ousted from that potential after I think the revelations of not completing residency nor having an active medical license for some time, but has now been replaced by a new physician, a radiologist named Dr. Nicole Sapphire, who I just want to say, so she's a radiologist. She is a Fox News correspondent, though now as the nominee, has had to terminate her contract. She's a kind of Maha-e with actual ability to criticize some of the, you know, RFK junior-led movements, though still ma'am, for sure. A little bit, actually. And, you know, it's pretty data-driven. But the big thing about Dr. Sapphire, which I think we should keep in mind since we have no other skills MDs, is she has a pretty popular podcast. Oh, a fellow podcaster. Oh, yeah. And she just got in the game about a year ago.

unknown 6:20

Really?

SPEAKER_00 6:20

So we can aspire to something week two. Maybe government officials before you know it, just by talking into them.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Not not just a government official, but the surgeon general. I mean, so she has a podcast called Wellness Unmasked. Um, and she's an anti-masker, huh? Uh well, she's uh she says that, you know, there was a time for masks, but no need anymore kind of uh situation. But one of her episodes, for instance, is and it's you know, I just want to say a lot of crossover here. I'm not sure chicken and egg, Dr. Sapphire, but she does an episode called The Pit Measle Surge, Obamacare Myths and Medicine's Political Bias.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

She's an intact episode.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Yeah, they're quick and quick and dirty, I would say. She has she basically breaks down topics in the wellness news and health news, and sort of will also have to suspend her podcast given this uh current nomination for her. So, anyway, I just want to say this is another thing that we could do maybe in the future is be surgeon generals.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

I never gave it much thought, but I now believe I am completely qualified. You are qualified. There's nothing like this administration to make me believe that I'm more qualified for things that I am qualified to be the president of the United States. I firmly believe that. It's not a desire I have. Right. But I could be the health uh minister. I I can do it all because I know I'm better than the people who are currently sitting there. So I guess it's good for my self-esteem, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

But here we go. You know, the breaking latest medical news. We'll see how far she goes in the process.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Well, as we're thinking about dreams that seem impossible, but apparently are not. Our topic today has to do with escapism. So just to define it for everybody, and everybody has an idea of it, but escapism is the mental diversion from unpleasant, stressful, or mundane aspects of daily life through imagination, entertainment, or recreation. I feel like personally, I have been in a constant state of feeling the need to have escapism in my life. I think we all have it when we watch maybe a marathon of something on Netflix or maybe a prolonged vacation or maybe daydreaming something of the like. But I feel like it's not in place of therapy, but it's become a little therapeutic for me. I wonder if it's that way for everybody else. Are we escaping more? Is there more escapism happening in recent years in this past year than before?

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Well, you know, I do think you're right in that there does seem to be more of escapism occurring. And I do think it's a little bit related to the way in which society is built right now. I think that everything's so easily accessible to us at this point, like with streaming services or even through social media, uh, I think that there's a lot more information that we have to escape into places that are really different from our daily, mundane lives. And and and some of it's super easy to do, just like pressing play on Netflix. So I think a part of why there's so much of it is related a little bit to the ease in which we can escape and it being kind of a numbing tool, right? Which to go back to what you're asking, like it is probably not that great for us.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

It's probably the psychiatrist is trying to tell me something like this escape is listen, guilty is charged.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

I'm sorry. I am I do you know how I love to escape? It's I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to me.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

I mean, yeah, it's really something, right? I try to limit how much, let's say, television or how much how many TikToks I'm watching. I put a time frame on it. Do I ignore that time frame? Occasionally, but also something I have felt in the past year is, and I wonder if this is kind of escapism, is kind of the retail therapy that I've been doing. And just using, I'm fortunate to have a little bit of money that helps to take care of small problems so it feels like an escape if I can just throw a little bit of money at something so I don't have to deal with yet another problem in my life. I don't know if I would categorize that as escapism, but for me, they kind of hold the same place where I'm just you know doing things outside of traditional therapy or traditional means of dealing with problems. I'm either escaping in daydreaming, TikToking, television, or just buying things to help me escape those things. Okay, sauna.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Yeah, I mean it's it is nice to have that extra money uh to like enjoy the nice things too, and like a little bit of pampering to help kind of manage the the challenge of the daily. It's a it's interesting. I think retail therapy when you like are actually set giving money to something that solves a problem, that seems great, actually. Like, you know, it does seem like a good way to just sort of save yourself a little bit of effort that is draining. But yeah, like buying stuff is something that also I think that's also easier than ever, right? Do you do you buy off of things like social media? Like, how do you end up buying things?

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Are you looking at specific places? So just I was having an issue today, and it was there's some kind of money frustration around it that oh, I'm gonna have to pay for something that I really didn't want to pay for and it's gonna be expensive. So, right before this appointment I had, I went to Nordstrom and I brought a very expensive pair of jeans. That does not help my problem, it does not solve any problems, but I feel better. In no way, shape, or form helps the problem, but I absolutely feel better for something I absolutely did not need. Right. It's a very cute pair of jeans, Mother Denim. Have you heard of Mother Denim? I've heard of Mother Denim. I even have heard of Mother Denim. Yeah, they have flowers on them, so it's a very specific look. These are not jeans that I will wear forever, right? They're not everyday jeans that I can throw on, they're a very specific look that solves zero problems in my life. I hear you. I think you've got to come to the point where how much money are you gonna spend just to feel a little better that solves no problem? And I think we're all guilty of that, but I I'm trying to reveal myself in a little bit and say hopefully.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

It's a good question. I mean cheaper than therapy. It is, it potentially could be. So I, you know, I think there's an element of you doing that to like control how you spend your money, right? Like because you have this situation that's like taking money from you that you never wanted, like didn't expect. We don't have to get into too much detail, but I am a recent graduate. I just want to let everybody know of nine years of weekly therapy.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Ooh, congratulations. You didn't want to do 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

No, I just couldn't, I like couldn't. I was like, uh this poor woman needs a break. You know what I'm saying? I have taken up enough of her time. Yeah, right. I had to bring it up. I mean, everything, you know. So um What is enough? Enough. Are you tired of me? I you have to, you have to be tired of me, right? One, it wasn't cheap. I actually did do all out of pocket, though I did have benefits at my previous job that would have covered it, but again, I'm limited in my laziness factor in terms of having to deal with administrative tasks. Can I just tell you that too?

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Sometimes I just so I don't have to deal with minutia, spend a little extra money, and it doesn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

It doesn't make sense, but I just like I just can't bother. I can't deal with some aspect of that, which is you know, a place of privilege, obviously. Right. But also the reality is, yeah, there's something I want to avoid. And I think that's what this is, escapism. It's like this avoidance of a real displeasure. And I think right now, tuning out has been a way to handle the noise. Like we bring it up every episode, right? The big negative news, things like that, or just like the challenges with what we talk about in our podcast as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Or there comes a point where it's something's gotta give, I think. One, my wallet. I can't, I can't keep doing that, and then I'll look it around little things in my house. And I'm not a hoarder by any stretch of the imagination, but I can remember why I bought things like, oh, I bought that because I saw this on the news, and oh, it made me feel like I was like, that's not a great, I don't think that's a great coping mechanism. I have to find something else.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Listen, you actually have the object, right? That you can associate with maybe that negative feeling. You know, my where I spend money, I will say, I think, is it's not travel anymore, it's eating out, having really nice meals. Oh, which is another form of escapism in a way. It's usually like the surreal sense of atmosphere, and you're being weighted to, you're like excellent. We're overly nice. Though I will say recently, I don't know, I wonder if you agree. A friend of mine and I were dining, and the server looked at us and said, You know, you guys remind me of children's show hosts. What? Yeah, it was like the nicest compliment I've ever had. My you know in a positive way, in a very positive way. He described us as like very approachable.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

We were trying to say you guys are immature or something.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Oh, maybe. Actually, Dr. Domi, tragic. We did not take it as uh forced him to tell us more. Now I'm wondering.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Well, with them, you can believe anything you want to.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

It's truth, it's truth. I mean, another another consideration for career, children's show hosts. So anyway, but that's a great question. I know that one of your things that you've been taking up is golf, right? Do you think of that as escapism? I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

I absolutely think it's escapism, and now it's become addictive, where I can just go and be by myself, even though golf is a social activity and I hope to connect with other people with it. Just feels like something I can do for myself that I don't need anyone's permission about, and I can just kind of tune things out. And obviously, there's a driving range, but I can go to a golf course early, and I like to go early in the morning where there are very few people there and just kind of be in the world.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Escape in the world.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

I I just wonder about the level of escapism. What's the tipping point? Oh, yeah. Where I realize there's also real life, and you have to deal with things. And if you're not getting the results you want in life, you might have to dial down the escapism and deal with what's happening. But I think after especially the last election, I gave myself permission to be on a little bit of a mental vacation. But that's it. And speaking of, if we're going to second opinions consults, a reason why I brought this topic up to begin with is you don't watch any real housewives. And it's becoming a problem.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

I might need to get you. I know. You tell me what season, and I'll watch it. I'll watch it. Just tell me you have to tell me the season background.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

All right. Well, I'll do my best, guys. And if you want to harass Dr.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

JJ about yeah, send me suggestions. Do you watch Real Housewives? Wait, which season in what location will I appreciate? Ugh, right. I do think it has to be like East Coast. I feel like Rhode Island might be the right vibe I need.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Well, I heard I've heard good things. I only caught one episode because, like I said, I'm trying to put limits on what I'm watching. So I'm not watching television every moment of every day or feeling like that. But right now I'm watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Oh, and there's a divorce going on, as usually does, because most of those women are single, between Dorit, she's a woman, and her husband, PK. And she's been on the show for 10 years, and she's one of those women that's just very flashy, head-to-toe Louis Vuitton, head-to-toe this. Oh, my husband bought me a Maybach, and everything always seemed, and I feel like I can clock it very well. New money. I don't know if you can quite pay for this. There's always a question in the show about how she's paying for this. Yes, her husband does a little something here or there, or does he owe people money? Yada yada yada. But now it's come out that in the last since they've separated, the house is in foreclosure. This like mini mansion is in foreclosure. She can't pay them because the mortgage hasn't been paid. She didn't know he wasn't paying the mortgage. He stopped living there. Why would you assume the mortgage had been paid? Uh so in the last year it's come out with their finances that she spent, I want to say, close to a million dollars on clothing, uh, you know, the aesthetics and very little things for like children and household. Like if you broke down uh where she was spending, like, oh, was that Neiman Marcus? It was at Nordstrom, it was at this and that. It was all for her. And obviously they've had issues in their marriage or getting divorced, but how often are people using retail therapy to escape the reality of their marriages, of their lives? Yeah, and to a point where you can't even recognize it. And it's not exactly a hoarder's, you know, situation. Right. There's some some ambulances in the background. I live in New York City, get used to it. But so that's also that a form that I connect well with this person where she's using retail therapy, she probably doesn't even realize the amount that she's spending in comparison to other things in her life. But when things are crumbling, when your government's crumbling, a little Louis Vuitton goes a long way, perhaps.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

I think it gives you that little bump that you need to help manage all that other kind of anxiety and pretend it's not happening in a certain way. And the appearances are a big part of it. Like, isn't there that phrase dress the way you want to feel or um Which I I do believe, but there comes a point where if you can't pay your mortgage. When is the and and also there's like a quality status, there's so much kind of associated with it. So it's definitely an escape escapism from reality in so many ways. I was thinking too about like other likely instances where we see a lot of the use of like outside attributes to really reflect something that isn't right. That's not that's not what's happening inside. This seems like a very common issue. And and hence like the social media, the the targeting of these things, it's so specific now that it's a little bit hard to resist.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

You're like, this is exactly what I was wanting. The amount of golf content and cute golf clothes and cute golf accessories that is presented to me now on TikTok and other forums is let me know that one, my phone is listening to me, but also I'm I'm trying to have restraint and connect a little bit to the real world. And that's been my escapism. So any new how have you been escaping recently?

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Right. Yeah, well, I will say I have been watching Best Medicine, which was a show I think you recommended a couple of months ago in our earlier episodes. Feel free to go back and listen. Please do. I have fallen in love with it. It is, I don't know, maybe we're three or three or four episodes in. It's so cute. And but it is about a physician who has hit their limits and is pivoting completely, going from a surgeon who no longer can stand the sight of blood to this family doctor in rural Maine. And it's just adorable. And I love his Josh Charles is the main actor. And I don't know. I just love it all. I love like the rural setting and the quirky village people, and it reminds me of town America, I think.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Right. I I've told you before, it just makes you feel like problems like sexism and racism and homophobia don't exist in these small towns. Right. And so quaint. I was like, is that how other countries see our small towns?

SPEAKER_02 23:51

I have to say too, I feel like I'm learning actually. I will say, though, it's escapism. I feel like I'm also learning some stuff about American culture right now because I feel so out of tune. But like the three teens that are on the show that are like the two girls, and like they are just ridiculous. But I'm like, oh, that's like a teenager. That's like what teenagers are like right now. And it's adorable. I I'm really enjoying it. And that's been like my form of escapism this past this past couple of weeks, and I'm I'm looking forward to it. And I hope it keeps it gets renewed, you know. I hope that it comes back.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

So too. It's based on a I want to say a British show or a European show as well. And I found that my versions of escapism have changed over time. Oh, yeah. So you know, there's always a television element when you watch a marathon of something, kind of Real Housewives has been my escapism for a while. But I used to be ten toes into escapism of fashion, obviously. I was kind of into it career-wise, but I even couldn't even bring myself to watch the entire Met Gala red carpet. I was just uninterested. So my escapism, even though to purchase things like cute jeans, but to actually drink up everything in fashion has kind of left me. I do want to revisit it because it is something that's brought me pleasure in the past. But usually that would be my week just looking at the outfits and who designed this and you know, going on YouTube, how this was designed. And I just I had no, I was uninspired a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Interesting. Do you think it had anything to do with like the controversy of the sponsorship for this magazine? Maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Maybe a little bit. It it's hard to say, but obviously I've found other ways to escape. Right. But I want to keep tabs on things to see how does that come back? My escapism to end up as actual anxiety or depression or show up in in unhealthy ways. And will I know the limits of healthy escapism versus unhealthy escapism?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

I think it's a really good thing to be tracking. But you know, therapy, as like kind of coming back to having done that, I I do recommend it. I just want to say, in terms of just sort of uh, you know, like trying to curtail and shift the focus, right? Instead of outward, inward. And and I think it's it can be a lot of work because you can escape in therapy as well. Obviously, that's a a thing. My escapism definitely has evolved once it was travel by myself where I could go anywhere and do anything. And oftentimes, sometimes I would be traveling and spend a lot of time watching TV. And that was an interesting connection. Oh, yeah. There were times when I traveled solo back in the day that I found myself, I think it was maybe towards the end of like my trip and I was gonna be coming back to the US. I was probably in Lao, in this very lovely place, and I spent a lot of time watching TV that was available in the hotel rooms. It'll be fun to keep kind of checking in on that as we go through all of this. But I also didn't really pay attention to the Met Gala at all. But yeah, it just seems like not really that important right now, just given the context of what's been going on as well, news-wise. So I think that's another but but I could sit there and watch like all of the hacks episodes that have come out this season. So what does that say about me?

SPEAKER_00 27:26

It's so good.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Sometimes is it escapism or is it just really good entertainment? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 27:33

And also, is it like, oh, I identify with that, right? And that feels good to actually have that connection.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

So very interesting. Well, any rants or raves this week as we talk about kind of side effects? What's what's going on? What are you loving this week?

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Oh my god, I will say Go Valkyrie, the WNBA season just started. Oh my god, I know, I know. Well, I will give you the credit. They they're the new NBA franchise that opened up last year, so we're in our second season, and they are San Francisco. In San Francisco, it's a golden state Valkyries. They do play at the Chase Center in San Francisco, and they were a hugely successful first season. They got to the playoffs, which is unheard of in WNBA history, and also were quite profitable. And yesterday I went to the home opener and like took public transportation all the way there. I will only go to Chase Center for these games. And I will say it's the best atmosphere that I've ever experienced in a sporting event. It was it's vibrant, it's very diverse, there's just really good energy, and it's really the best sporting event that I've ever experienced. And I've been to a lot of you've a lot of NBA games, and maybe that's about it. I've watched some tennis in person, but you know, it's it's weirdly inclusive, it feels very safe, and everybody's like just having a great time. So yeah, I've been excited about that. And there's a couple of new expansion teams this year, I think, like in Portland, maybe Toronto, Vancouver. I might be wrong about that.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Is that the audience mostly women?

SPEAKER_02 29:13

So last night was interesting. There, there was definitely predominantly women, I would say 60% women, 40% men, all ages. I start at the Bart Station close to my house, and it's just people in the sea of purple. It's like a whole movement, and it was like the best summer last year when this team started. I will say sports are great escapism, and it's interesting because it's like this weird competition, but I spend a lot of time watching basketball. But have you been to a WNBA game yet?

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Because I think I've only been to NBA games and maybe two in my life.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

What are those?

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Oh, NBA? NBA, yeah. Okay, okay. I heard something else. They they have basketball for men. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

It's been it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

But they do. So this is back when I lived in LA. I think I went to um a Clippers game and something else. Obviously, if I can't remember, it didn't make that much of an impact. But I do if I go to any sports events, I do want to see if I can support the women. I can't. There's great fashion.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Yeah, I will say. Yeah, like like courtside, people courtside, they like there's like this sequent purple jacket that people have. I mean, it's and you know that Shili E was a halftime last night at the Valkyrie's game, and she was wearing this delightful pantsuit. So yeah, there's a lot of fashion. Okay, turn check it out.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

How about you? Any rants or raves this week? I don't know. I'm just uh hoping to get to a game and limit my escapism to something healthy.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

I know.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

These are good goals. So thanks again for joining us at No Other Skills MD Podcast. We hope you got something out of listening to your friendly neighborhood doctors.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

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SPEAKER_00 31:16

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