Todd Payne with Blackbelt Guns & Ammo

We brought back Todd Payne to sit town and talk about his new business and how he got started selling buying and taking custom orders for firearms.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to West Alabama Woodsman Podcast. I'm Clint. I'm Jason. I'm Jake. Hope you enjoy watching. Well, Tyler. With black belt, guns, and ammo. We've had you here before. Last time we talked, you know about what we talked about last time. That's right. That's right. I'm a little tired.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Well, tell us about black belt guns and ammo. Well, man, we uh so you know, I've always done my own gun work and uh stuff like that myself, other than other than machine work. And um I went to one of our local box stores, uh, I guess it'd been October 4 last, and I got me a little 300 blackout that I was going to run a suppressor and thermal on and was having some feeding issues with it. I looked up online and figured out it was a mag issue. I went there and asked them about it, and they're like, man, we ain't had no trouble. Nobody's complaining. I'm like, it's all over the internet. Well, that just led me down a rabbit hole and um got to looking into getting my FFL. And I guess I got everything finalized last March. And uh it was uh it was a process. I mean ATF rode up to the house, sat down at the table, had a little talk with me, you know, about how everything goes. Oh yeah. That's serious stuff there then. I've always tried to avoid them them agencies with the three letters in them, you know. It wasn't bad. It just kind of went the you know went over everything and how everything works. Just wondering what they may find that they don't need to see. Exactly. And and it may not be you have nothing to hide, but you feel still nervous. Exactly. You know, and um so I uh got everything finalized and and license licensing and everything. I guess it would have been last March is when I first started. So I'm uh about a year in, and I probably sold I'm I'm right around 100 guns sold and you know, ammo accessories, and some light gunsmith and stuff, and um it's been going good. It took off a little faster than I thought. You know, well that's that's a good thing. And my angle with it was is when somebody came to me, they were gonna deal with me. And if if it was something that was above me or I wasn't, you know, there on doing that, my thing, I'll I'll find you somebody. Yeah. But um, and if I send if I if I recommend somebody, it's somebody that I'll let work on my own stuff too.

SPEAKER_05 2:37

It's always good to be honest, you know. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

I mean that's my name on it, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's you know you go the wrong route with that, and word spread's good when you're doing good, and word spreads. Like quicker when you're doing good fast. That's right. That's right. It does. It does. And you're doing it all out of your shop or at your house. That's right. I built out of space out of my shop. And um, you know, everybody's asking, you know, what all you got in stock? Well, I don't keep a, I don't normally keep a b a big, you know, a big stock. You know, I might have a couple, you know, that I have in stock. But the biggest thing is most of the time when somebody calls me, they know what they want.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

And, you know, with so many options these days, you know, you can get the you know, different colored seracoting on some of them and composite stock or different colored composite stocks, whether they want the wood stock or whether they want a 26-inch barrel and a shotgun, 28-inch barrel, you know, having to just have something that you hope that's what they're gonna be looking for. Yeah, you know, all handguns have to ship second day air. So I get them quick. Anything I can have with a wood.

SPEAKER_05 3:38

I mean, look at woods and water. Absolutely. It seems like there's a gun that I want when I go in there, they don't ever have it anyway.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

So I mean, and I got set up with some wholesellers, and there was a couple of them that I've reached out to like a you know, direct, and Benelli was like, yeah, you know, it'd just be like a $20,000 initial buy. And I was like, you know, and so here I am small starting out, and I was like, I can't dump $20,000 off in some Benellies, you know, right away. And um I had when I when I got started with it, I knew I wanted to eventually get into you know carrying some thermals. And me and a couple buddies have always done some thermal hunting stuff, and he'd been he had gotten one of the fusions, and man, we we were out hunting one night, hunting codies, and had a Trigic hunt on mine, and what I thought was a code come out, and I was like, Cavity right there in the back, you know, I got on it. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, that's the deer. I'm like, ain't no way. Well, he had gotten that fusion, but he didn't have it mounted yet. He's like, look through this. And I looked and I was like, oof. Wow. So I ended up reaching out to them, and you know, they like working with smaller companies, and so I've gotten set up with them, and I've sold probably close to ten of them by now. And um, man, they they're they're pretty impressive. They got it. That's the fusion. The well, fusion and wave. So wave is a line of fusion thermals, and they've got the uh the waves have got the laser range finder with the auto ballistics calculator in it. You put all your info in for your round, and you know, you one button range it and it throws you a holdover dot whatever you need to it is it is and that's changed it because man, at night.

SPEAKER_05 5:11

Well, at night, you don't well that's like Sean and I talk, and I was asked when I bought a thermal, and he was he was I was like, I don't know how far they are. He said, You just need to know where you at. That's right. Know the lay of the land. What if I don't? You just have to guess.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Well, I've talked I I've talked to a few guys and seen some watched some videos and stuff of of some guys that were hunting without them, and they had done it long enough that they could tell close by the size of the image in the scope. You gotta do a lot of looking and figuring out to try to because you gotta shoot a lot of stuff and hunt a lot of stuff to to know that.

SPEAKER_05 5:45

And I don't have time to do that.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

It's hard for me to gauge the size of an animal sometimes, especially looking through the thermal.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, think about trying to judge a a deer, you know, a bug, you know, in broad open daylight, you know what I mean? And even body size, you know, it throw you off on that.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Especially if you don't have anything else to compare it to. That's right. You know, you got a deer.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

If you get another one standing beside it, it makes a difference.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

What are you talking about, Willie?

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

That's true. Gotta have double drop paint. You know, sometimes man, I'm out here having fun. That's what I'm doing. Yeah. That's right. I don't care what you think.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

Well that that is pretty cool, you know, to for it to have that much clarity.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

It is. And it's, I mean, it this something they their technology they've gotten is I mean, it's it's impressive. And uh, you can save it like five rifles on it. So I can I can zero it in on this rifle under profile one and move it to another one and zero it on that one. When I move back, I just go to that profile and it's back zero. There ain't no re-zero on it.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Oh yeah. That is tradition. That's neat.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

The the one I have has it has four zeros, and but you know, if I bought that thing like six or seven years ago, Sean got it for me, and I think, or he ordered it and I paid him for it. But it he like I'll look in like Trevor got one just to like two or three years ago. And his is like similar to mine, but it's got like recording capabilities and wireless. And mine doesn't have anything. It's got four zeros, and that's you know. Which one do you have? I have a bearing. I have a bearing optics.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Uh I ain't even heard of them. And these have got the the recoil activated video. So when you pull the trigger, it kicks, it gives you a 22-second clip. And so you don't have to, you know, you don't have to see something coming, oh, I gotta start videoing. When you pull the trigger, it gets you 22 seconds of before and before and after. I was about to say my buddy.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Do you know Noah Cooper? Noah Cooper. He's from he's got one and it's got that. Oh, yeah. I'm like, how does it do that? Like, how do that into a recording?

SPEAKER_05 7:59

So I'm gonna have a priority.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

It records 10 seconds before and 10 seconds later.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

But it but it it registers that the the the gun going off. And so how does it record and record before? You know, it's got to be technologically advanced because I and just not saving or something like, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Oh yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

So what so you can get any kind of firearm.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Just about, I mean, I haven't, you know, what I do is someone calls me, I've got several wholesalers. Yeah. That, you know, there's the whole some wholesalers out there that you have to have an FFL to purchase through. And so I'll check with all of them and see what they've got. And, you know, like like last year it was funny, I, you know, just first turkey season that uh that came up and had two people call me, hey uh, see about getting me an 870-20 gauge. I call one of my distributors and I'm like, huh, hey, you got any 870-20 gauges? I need I need a couple. He said, Yeah, you and everybody else in the southeast right there. Yeah, yeah. He started laughing. He said, No, that's not gonna happen before the end of the turkey season. So, but yeah, and most of them I'm gonna have um usually within a week. Yeah, sometimes they'd be here in three days, you know.

SPEAKER_05 9:12

Well, can do you can you do suppressors too or fire up?

SPEAKER_02 9:16

That is um that's that's in the in the in the makes for the future. And the biggest thing is is is working on the the whole fingerprinting deal. So right now, and if I were to do it, I'd have, you know, I have to get I've got to get another license to be able to do the uh suppressors and short barrel stuff. But right now, without having a a way to do digital fingerprints, I gotta do it on paper. And if I send it in, if them fingerprints, it may look right to us, but if they get there and it ain't right, you gotta do them again. Whereas like, you know, you go to a place that's got a, you know, the the digital deal, it does it until you know whether it's right or not.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Like at an NWTF back there in the back when they get your gun.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Exactly, exactly. So I'm hoping to, you know, to there's a little fingerprint scanner I've been looking at that hook to the computer and stuff. I'm hoping that I'm gonna be able to get something set up with that to where I can do that, because I've had tons of people ask me about suppressors and suppressors and suppressors. So you ain't loading any TSS, are you? No, I'm not doing any reloading yet. You know, it's just that man has a lot of liability with the reloading stuff, you know. I hadn't I hadn't gotten into the reloading side of it.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

But you can get your hands on TSS, though, right? Pretty easy.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Oh yeah, I've been, man, I've got uh I had about eight or ten boxes of TSS come in today that people would order.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

So Okay, so you get the so you can get the factory ammo.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yeah, yeah, I'll get all the factory ammo and optics, uh, you know, any accessories, parts, you know, stuff like that. So and um, like I said, I just don't do the machine work, you know, light gunsmith and stuff, um, any kind of machine stuff or whatever, I'll I'll send that out to somebody that that knows how to do all that.

SPEAKER_05 10:48

So yeah, the tungsten has definitely gotten outrageous here in the middle of the room. Oh, let's throw the room out now, yeah. It climbs every year, but it seems like it's gone.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

Yeah five years or something. But you think about shooting, going back to shooting lead versus that, and you're like, I'm good. I mean I I'll you know. It ain't like you're dove hunting and shooting four or five boxes, you know what I mean? So that's that's the good thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:10

I mean, it's kind of like people like I've been I've probably been shooting tungsten's tungsten probably since somewhere around 2012 or 13. Of course, obviously they were handloads, but when I I got them for one of my buddies in Huntsville, and uh I said, give me some of those 12 gauge. He said, You don't need to shoot tungsten in a 12 gauge. And I don't know if I had a I'm well I know I did. I had a 20 gauge at the time. And uh he said, You need to shoot 20s. Well, I said, I you know, I don't have anything set up yet for 20s. So after I killed like that year, I killed like three or four turkeys, I killed them all with tongues, and I said, most definitely do not need to shoot tongues in a 12 gauge. So, and you know, and then I started, you know, people are like shooting a 20 gauge, they're like shooting, you know, and back, you know, then 20 gauges weren't as crazy as or sub gauges, I guess I should say, the 20s, 20s, 40, 14, aren't as crazy then as they are as they are now. And I tell her right, I shouldn't have.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Well, the autos advanced so much, you know, nobody's gonna be able to do that. You've never heard of anybody turkey out with anything small on a 12 gauge before this.

SPEAKER_05 12:21

That's just crazy. And I was shooting, I was shooting at 20, and then people were like, how much do you pay for those shells? And at that time, I think those 20 gauges were like 12 bucks a piece. I'm like, oh, that's crazy. That's nuts. I said, look, man, if I can kill a limit of turkeys and don't spend but $48, I'm gonna spend more than that because I'm gonna miss at least one of them. Yeah, that's it. If I gotta pay $15, $12 or $15 a turkey, I'm good with that. I mean, I got a $2,000 shotgun in my hand. I mean, surely I can afford $15 for a shell.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

That's like one of the guys at the fire station had they went to Tennessee last year, his boy killed one, and he said 42 yards with a 410 and just folded it.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

I mean, one of my buddies had a we were at a hunting camp and they had a street sign. It was lean up against the bar, and I don't know what it was, but it was just an aluminum street sign. Well, he had his son out there with a 410. And he brought it, but he brought the pattern back in there, and it was at 40 yards. Well, that's great. You know, that's a pretty good pattern, you know, 410, whatever it is, less than an ounce, you know, three quarters of an ounce, whatever. 13, 16. Yeah. And uh he was like, but he said, this pattern's pretty decent. But he said, but what's crazy, that aluminum street sign, some of them had gone all the way through it. And I was like, Brandon, are you sure? He said, I'm 100% positive. Wow. He said, I could not believe it either. And I said, you know, I don't know. Street signs too. Oh, yes, they are ticked. 860s or a piece of aluminum. And then I know aluminum ain't really that soft, but I mean, good grief. I mean, 20 yards. It's crazy stuff, man.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Well, you saw that pattern I sent you with my gun the other day. It looked like I was shooting at 15 yards when I was 45.

SPEAKER_05 14:14

That was nuts. I don't need anything.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I don't, I don't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 14:17

I need to be big.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

I need to shoot one at 20.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

If I shoot one at 20, I don't know how I better not flinch. You better not. I did I I did that last year. And I told told on myself. I wouldn't I was about two miles from the house. And Jeremiah, well, he uh he I of course turkey walked in there and he was and it he was only like 22 yards, and he was close. I don't need him that close. And I went boom and had a little over and under actually got me for my birthday. Boom. And the turkey jumped up in the air and he sat back down and I was like, oh lord. So then by last time I took a starvation beat on him. And I I whacked him that time. So then later on, actually Jeremiah came to the house and he was like, hey, you dunk this morning. Yeah, did you shoot twice? And I was like, uh uh. Yes, you did. So I told on myself, you know, you you better be on them at 20 yards. I was a 20 gig, you better be on them at 20 yards.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

And that's what, you know, I had a guy down there uh down there at Melbourne, he um he came to me last year and he bought a he was going to Montana. He wanted a light light rig. He bought one of the little Mossberg SA410s to go up there. And uh he came back. I asked him, I said, uh, how'd you like it? He said, I like it. I said, how'd it how's the recoil? He said, what recoil? Yeah. He said, however, we gotta talk. I said, what you got? He said, I need it in a 28 gauge. He said, one of the guys up there had one, and he said, the pattern that it threw. He said, and now he's got it in 20, 28, and 14.

SPEAKER_05 15:55

I don't understand that. It's like like my buddies in Arkansas, they they shoot it for duck hunt, and they they shoot like a tons of and steel blend. Or they all they have 28 gauges, but they said that just I don't know how, but I just they say it patterns, but just the shot string and everything all together is just more uniform and well see the same guy he called me.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

He called me um last week and he said uh man, he said, I ain't been happy with the 410. And he said, but I figured out what the problem was. I said, What's that? He said, the pattern was not good with cramped shells. He said, I tried some rolled shells. He said, I don't know if it's just not enough to open it up on that 410. He said, it was just a 410. He said, but I swapped to a uh a rolled shell.

SPEAKER_05 16:38

And he said, You know, you look at those rolled shells, you know, when you shoot them, they're like halfway closed up, and you're like, that can't be good, but I, you know, yeah, but he said the cramped it, the cramped it wasn't getting a good pattern.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

He said, but with the rollings? Wow. And he said, matter of fact, he said, uh, he said, me and my grandson were in Walmart. And he said, them rolled shells. He said, I said, I was he said, you know, it wasn't the weekend. He said, I I'm gonna try a roll shell. He said it was the Remingtons. And he said, uh, man, I I went in there and I said, I'm gonna try a box. He said, I tried and they patterned good. He said, I went back and bought every box. Yeah, you find something you like, you better get away from that's right.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 17:17

And you know, and the good thing, like with the tungsten, I mean, it's gonna be you shooting seven and a half and eights and nines, it's gonna be a bunch of bullets in there. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

So now what what I'm kind of seeing now, trying to kind of like taking some notes and seeing what the calls I'm getting for the seasons or what guns they're wanting, you know, because like what you need for next season. Exactly, because you know, you get like they're calling about these turkey guns, and you know, everybody's doing that. And so everybody's sitting above, so they're you know, deer season, them Ruger Americans. Oh my gosh, I've had some on my allocated list for two and a half months. Like deer rifles? Really? Two and a half months. And they're out of stock. Out of stock. What's the popular caliber for that? Man, it is it's up and down. I mean, 308, uh, 6'5 Creedmore. Um, they actually got a 22 Creedmoor now. Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. That's uh Is that a REM fire or is that a few?

SPEAKER_05 18:19

No, no, it's a city fire and it's hot. It's uh I've one of my buddies in Arkansas. It's kind of like the old 22 fireball or 22 Hornet or it's got the ballistic, it's like got better ballistics of like a 223 Remington or seeing it's something like a 22250.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

They they compare it to your modern day 22250, but the ballistics are better than the 2250. And there's people been killing deer with them, I mean, hogs, I mean, and I mean it's everybody that I've talked to that shoots them, they said there ain't no going back. Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

And um you can get one of them pretty easy.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Not riding that. Well, I can. I tell you, I sold a uh Horizon Vandal and a Vandal X, and it is, and it was a matter of fact, it was I was reading it the other day, is like voted the most the most accurate rifle for 2026. You said it's a Havana? It's a Horizon. Horizon. Vandal X. Vandal, okay. And it's got a three-flute barrel in it. It's got a long flute in it, it's a sharp gun. And um the uh it's you know, got a Remington 700 clone action in it or whatever. Oh yeah. And um, you know, that's what a lot of your, you know, used to be everybody wanted the older Remington 700s to do the builds off of, and now you got so many action, I mean action makers, and they're making them all on the 700 clones because there's so many accessories for your Remington 700. And uh, so but yeah, there's uh, you know, everybody's wanting the 308s are still, you know, those. And then, you know, you got your, like I said, you know, most folks, you know, like I've sold probably, I know I've sold at least two or three of the Henry Golden Boy 3030s. You know, I wouldn't have thought to keep those in stock. Yeah, but you know, I've sold three of them. And um just the 3030. Yep. That's a pretty gun.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

Jake killed a deer with his 3030s.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

I wanted to do it ever since I got it, and I did it opening day this year.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

I sure did. How far was it? 40, 45.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Okay. Not far.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Yeah. I zeroed one of them uh Golden Boy 3030s for the guy I sold it to the other day, and if we wanted to zero dead on it 100 yards. Do you do that too? Do you do that? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Oh, he put a scope on his? Yeah, he put a scope on his, yeah. Yeah. I think I'm gonna keep it.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

A guy I know got it for his uh for his daddy when he retired for his retirement present. And uh he got him a scope and we didn't put it on there. He wanted to give him the option, he wanted to go and put the scope on it. But that's what he said. He said, Man, if I take this to the woods, I'm gonna have to put it in a case and carry it at the shooting house. No kidding. I mean, it's pretty so pretty.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

I thought I was gonna put a scope on mine and then I killed one of my iron sights. I was like, I might try to do that once a year. That's right. Hey, just go buy another one. Yeah, buy you another one.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

I got that one out of Vermont from a pawn shop. And if you can find one of the old Winchesters, yeah, you know, of course the Winchesters, you know, they throw them out the top. So if you were to mount a scope on it, you either had to drill the side or put them over the uh see-through rings where that when it you know ejected, it'd come back through the.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

I have a Winchester 22 Magnum, but it's it's a side eject. Mm-hmm. That's pretty neat.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Oh yeah. They're uh they're hard to come by. You don't you don't see them very much.

SPEAKER_05 21:24

Yeah, I was uh Ashley's got them on the on the insurance, got them listed on the insurance, and it was probably one of the more expensive guns that I had on the room.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

That's right. And I I deal with some used guns too. I have some some folks come in, won't know if I want to buy a used gun or won't know if I do, you know, trade stuff. I've worked out a trade with a couple of folks on some stuff. And um like I said, it's been it's been good. Uh I was able to get my hands on a on a uh Remington seven hundred BDL and the twenty two two fifty with the Really? With the uh like I said it's got the bull barrel on it. And yeah, I didn't see a whole lot of those and it I I ain't found a mark on it, of course. It went in the safe. It'll be juniors one day. Is that the one you sent me I guess a couple months ago?

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah, pictures of?

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Yeah, that's cool. That was a pretty good one. It is, it's a pretty one. And uh, you know, I had I had a guy call me the other day. He's like, uh, I got a project for you. I said, What's that? He said, I want a 338 Lapua.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

That's a hell of a good one.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

All right. What you want that for? I said, uh how much you plan on shooting it? He said, Well, I don't know. I said, You check the price in bullets on that jugger, it's a buddy of mine. Yeah. And he looked at him, he said, Oh my goodness. It was like $170 a box.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Really? That much? I've shot one one time, and that's all I wanted. Oh yeah. I ain't never shot one. It'll thump you.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

I shot $300 enough to know that I don't want a $338. The hardest tick in a rifle I shot was a Browning A-bolt and a composite stock and a 300 short mag.

SPEAKER_05 22:49

I have a 300 Winchester and a Browning A-bolt. And with a synthetic stock, it's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

That short mag was terrible.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

I mean, it it's not as bad as the Mossberg 835 with a three and a half.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

I don't think there is one. I don't think there is one worse than that. I've got a Brown and A-bolt, 300 short mag, but it's a wood stock. And it it's it's not bad at all. I mean, I I'll shoot it free-handed. I don't know what a composite stock is. A savage composite stock. They're so light, man. They look so good. Man, I got a buddy of mine that's got a composite stock in a seven bag. It'll rock your world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

How did he guy pick up a turkey gun today? Is the uh ATI turkey file, the over and under?

SPEAKER_05 23:30

That's what I have. It's in a 20-gauge.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Okay. Well, he got it in a 12 gauge.

SPEAKER_05 23:34

And it's it'll rock you.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

I um he put a gauge. Put the uh Burris fast fire on it. He wanted me to zero it or whatever. Man, I got out there. Nice shot. I was just shooting just high high brass Rios, just regular bird shot. And uh I called him, I said, I hope you're ready. He said, What is it? I said, This thing kicks. He said, Yes, sir. I said, I mean, it's it's pretty tough. He said, uh, well, is it light? I said, yeah. He said, well, I can deal with that. Took me through the woods, I'll deal with the kick.

SPEAKER_05 24:00

I said, you better be ready. I do like it. And I know I do like that about, you know, and I'm not a short gun guy, you know, because you, you know, everything I got set up for, everything's set up for weed shooting. It's gonna have a 28-inch barrel or longer if I can get it. But and that's what I've three hunted with for the last 15 years. But it I did the hunted with that, she bought me that over and under that ATI last year. And I mean, I'm telling you, the the barrel's right here. It's right there. So, you know, if you got it on this, so whatever you're walking through, if your head's going up on it, so is a barrel. And I'm like, that's nice. I have not done that in a long time. I had hunted with a short gun probably in 15 years or more.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

So that's like growing up, you know, at every year for Christmas, mom and daddy would get us a like we got a Ruger 1022 one year for Christmas, and then got an 870, 20 gauge, and we got us a deer rifle, you know. And um, so I had 20 gauge. Well, my brother had shot it some. Well, my dad had an 870, still got an 870 Wingmaster, 30-inch full choke barrel. But I'm gonna tell you what, it will take, I mean, you can shoot a long ways with it. Yeah. Of course, back then, you know, they had to swap barrels and everything.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

We got some guns on my granddaddy's there in the safe. They didn't have all the interchangeable chokes. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

What the the 1100 was kind of the first one to do the interchangeable chokes, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_05 25:17

I killed my first turkey with 1100. Two and three-quarters. And you don't see them. And then you bloated up your brother's truck. Sure did. Sat right down in the front seat of it. Bad too. Blood everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah, you mentioned that 835. Man. That thing is. I bought one and I had it for a short time. You know, I put it on the road.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

Yeah, that I'm I kill, man, I kill a lot of turkeys with that gun. And I it's it's sitting in the back corner of the safe. Out of my reach. Out of my reach. And I it's still there. You get chilled when you come across the back there doors. Yeah, that thinks that things seems from turkey die. Golly. And allowed? Did yours have the porter barrel? No, it didn't have the porter barrel. It was before that time. Man, mine had the portabarrel. It was like one of the originals, somewhere around 88 or 9, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

I was like three, two or three then.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

I don't even want to tell you how old I was.

SPEAKER_05 26:24

That was back when Jason was reading magazines and probably. Red Field was trying, getting tattoos to you outside the back. Learn how to make uh fold up pieces of plywood and drag your deer up, in it. Well, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

My granddaddy always got the Alabama Game and Fish, and every time we go, I'd probably looked at the same ones a hundred times. Yep. But that was that was something they'd get them game and fish magazines to look at back then.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

I still get a lot of those.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

You know, that's all that's all we had. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

There wasn't none of those crap, you know.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Oh no. That Sears catalog coming around Christmas time.

SPEAKER_05 26:57

Man, what you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Circling stuff you wanted.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

You probably don't know that. Oh yeah. The Cabellos catalog. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Cabellos and Bass Pro. Yeah. That Max Prairie Wings. I got a magazine in the mail the other day from uh TFT. Turkeys for tomorrow? Sure. Did you really? Not TFT.

SPEAKER_05 27:22

Uh I'm at Turkey's for tomorrow, and I just shook my head.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

Yes. I got one from the turkeys.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

I did get one from FT the other after. After we ordered that stuff from FT, I I got one too.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Well, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Man, I can scroll through there and try to set myself a limit and I'll be done racked up in a car. Then I'll be like, I need, do I want to exchange this or this? Which one do I want more? Do I need this more or do I need this more? Like I don't need to spend all that. I just which one do I want more? But then you spend all that. Oh, absolutely. Try to talk yourself out of it. Then you start thinking, but I really need that.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

I really need it.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

And I just order it. But if I don't get it now, I may not get it ever. There may be outta. Yeah. It's on sale. I gotta get it. I'm saving money. I'm saving money. That's right. Look, if I have to order it again, that's just more shipping I gotta pay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Might as well get it now. Just makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 28:25

Yeah, and I ordered some stuff for them like two or three weeks ago, and I gotta order some more stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

I I didn't get that steak out of that trap out of the ground yesterday. Wouldn't come up. Oh, I know what you need.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

My trap puller. I got a trap pulled up. I had my pickup hook to it. Dude, what?

SPEAKER_05 28:43

Oh, it broke your uh bent your J-hook. Yeah. If you hunt and I know it's red clay over there too, as where it was in Bennevola. There was one, I got a trap puller. There was one I didn't think I was gonna get it up. And I was breathing heavily. I said, good lord, man. Come on. It's just a trap stake. I got it up, but I put you know putting it on those roads and some of them were logging decks and stuff too. Good grief. And I would pull it and I would pull it up. It would be like chunks of ground coming up. Like when I pulled it up, it was breaking. I was like, golly. So you don't, you know, and most of them stakes come in like 12 inches, you don't need to put 12 inches in the ground. And I could be probably put six or eight inches of chain in the ground and it'd be plenty. Yeah, I won't go as far as I did next time.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Like I said, I backed up to it and I had a strap with a hook on it. Like a big wide uh rather strap.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Put me a bowling on one end, threw it around my trailer hitch.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Eased up and I felt it when it grabbed on my truck. Yeah. And then I my truck eased on. I mean it's like pulled out, like, hey, it come on out. It'll it'll bend those base plates too. Which I I didn't have a hook on the trap.

SPEAKER_05 29:58

Okay. Oh, okay. It's hooked on the chain.

unknown 30:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

I was like, dang. Straighten that J-hook.

SPEAKER_05 30:07

That's why you buy lots of J-hooks.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I gotta buy some more uh stakes too.

SPEAKER_05 30:13

I gotta move my traps.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

I ain't getting no action.

SPEAKER_05 30:16

I ain't even had nothing to work with. Well, they already work you to death, but then if you ain't catching nothing, you're like, I'm fine with not catching, but uh they ain't working.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

They ain't they ain't gonna get it. Well, you if they if they ain't working in a way I need to move it. I'm not getting it.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

If they ain't working in a week, man, you you need to change it up. Do some scent posts or something, or or or do some logs or what do you call a scent post?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

I know you said something about that the other day.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

Uh basically anything. And like you could like even like you could drive a stake in the ground and have like, you know, have it sticking up out of the ground about that far or or or or a log or a little stump, a rock, you know, and then just use like like uh maybe some cody lure, red fox gland lure on top, cody lure on top. Uh you're uh like uh fox pee or cody pee or something, it's just like a bunch of dolls walking through there and they're gonna pee on it. Just put a you know, put a trap, put a couple traps, put one on each side of it. You know, just because you know, sometimes, you know, like if they're in, you know, if they're breeding or whatever, you know, I kind of noticed after my traps were out about right at two weeks, and I didn't have anything working these dirt holes, and I knew I knew I needed to change something, but I I I just they were already in the ground and I didn't want to mess them up, pulling them up and changing them up and all that. But, you know, I was like, all right, we'll just leave them and I'll catch. And then I go back the next day, I didn't catch. I'm like, okay, well maybe they'll catch a night, maybe they'll catch a night, maybe they'll catch a night. But then after like two weeks, I caught one. I was like, all right, well then like two days, two or three days later, I caught another one. But so I I think they kind of made a change, you know, where maybe some of those females are actually in that den and they may or may not have pups or she's about to have them and she's not leaving and they're not as focused on breeding. They're not so much focused on breeding, you know, because they, you know, the females may be in that hole or where whatever she's you know, whatever she's in, you know, to have her pups and you know, he's out hunting and taking stuff back.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

So we kind of made a transition when I had when I had traps out, you know. It's like, man, so I look, there's coat tracks everywhere. Then I would put traps on the ground, it was like they were gone. But then after like the second week, it's kind of like it made a little transition. I started getting traps, started getting worse. Then I was like, good grief, I've been over here every morning, and sometimes every morning, every evening, and you know, and I would, you know, so I was just I needed a break, and it was muddy as everything over there. I said, let me just take a break. Give it a couple weeks and then go back. But to answer your question, like logs, rocks, stuff, make them more like uh oh, kind of like a like a deer rub or something, like a like this is my area, you know, or you know, this this you know, like all dogs, they're gonna be able to do that. Like some park their territory, not necessarily they ain't really what weren't they weren't as focused on food as they are now.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

You know, that's like when we were hunting this weekend, we doubled up Friday night and doubled up Saturday and both both doubles was male and female running together. Yeah, well, they're running together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

So you caught your first cock. Sure did.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Sure did. What do you think about that? Like killing a turkey.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

It was all that with over your shoulder. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Yeah. May have had a a beverage after.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

Well, you have to do that. Celebration.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Yes. I was uh I was very tickled, man. That like I said, we me and Jake both been running traps since what? 1st of February?

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah, okay. In January. And it's it's been going back and forth and it was now. Or pour your sheep's wool out, you have your sheep's wool laid over, you know, somewhere. Or you you see his he would check it and then he you see his paw print right beside you. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 34:32

Both traps that I caught in, they they each, they, they had each had been missed prior, probably a few days earlier. One almost. And I'm like, how did he not get it? So then I went to, when I went to pull those traps, I was like, all right, well, they done got stuff washed up under the pan, they ain't working, and I stick my hand in it and they would, you know, every one of them snapped.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

See, that's what I was kind of thinking yesterday.

SPEAKER_05 34:59

Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't ever, you know, especially if you're using pan covers, you know, or if you're using pan covers or, you know, if you got some people use underalls or whatever up under that uh hollow feel or something up under those pans. You know, if you're using that, have get have confidence in your sense. Have confidence that there ain't nothing up under it. But, you know, I've been trapping for 12 or 15 years, and I still, after about two weeks, I'm like, good lord. You know, but then like like the next night I caught and I was like, golly, that was the ones I thought that that had stuff up under it. And then one of the in the next one, a couple of days later, you know, that was I was that was one that I he had stepped in, it was real muddy. And I'm like, all right. Well, he stepped on it, he he stepped on the uh on the jaw and it moved or something, and it freaked him out, you know. But uh I left it alone and he c caught the next night. Well, whether or not it was the same one, I don't know. Good sound like a good story, but you know, he and I could.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Just story, tell it like you want to.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

Exactly. And I even like when I saw it step on it, I was like, golly, and it was muddy, real muddy the night before it's a little bit dry today. So I even I tried to to push on it, and it nothing moved, so I just left it alone and then coughed that next night, same night.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

You talk about that being like, you know, being like you uh killing a turkey, man. At at night. Shouldn't have been thirsty. And when they charge that call, man. And even during the day, you know, we had not we had not done it a lot during the day, so you know, we were in that predator hunt, so we were like, you know, we're gonna we're gonna give it all we got. We we hunted till four o'clock. We got in the bed about four o'clock Saturday morning and got back up at eight and went right back at it. Good. Got us a little power nap. And uh turkey hunted. We kill one at 2 30 Friday afternoon and then two at 4 30 Saturday afternoon. But man, when they charge that call like that, you know, I want to go do that. I do too. And that makes it a lot of work. Okay, we'll get together and go back to that. That sounds like fun. That makes it all worth it. By bug, man, I I like night before last we're at the house, and my wife's like, she's like, I'm just ready to go lay in the bed. I'm like, I'm not ready to go to sleep yet. I was like, I'm like just I'm like gonna set the call out, just like go for it. I just walked out there by the shop, you know, just set it out. You know, I didn't get anything nasty that night. But I like the day I got that call in, you know, right there, right there at the house. Like I was worried about it, you know, seeing me in the light behind me. Yeah, I killed one and would have gotten two miles. Oh, yeah. Wow. Right, I mean, right by my shop. That is so cool. And over the years, since we've lived there, I've probably killed six or eight before I got a thermal going out there with a streamlight and scanning the field and I'd catch a set of eyes. Really? And I'd I'd have to, I'd hold it by the barrel and I'd have to whistle. Now, when I whistled and it stopped, I had a split second to make a shot.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

And I've killed several doing that. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

But we can do that behind my house on the field.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

How many acres you got at your house? I just got eight acres, but it's all cow pastures around me. Okay, I got you. And um, so um, it's I mean, there's Codies. It seems like they come and go. Like that night I'd set that call out. I had some cut up on one side of me and then, you know, across the pasture or other, I had another group cutting up over there. And we've heard them inside our house, like laying in the bed, and hear them that close to our house.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

I mean My wife calls me when she when I went in Arkansas a couple years ago hunting with my buddies out there. She calls me the next morning, she said, There were cooties in the yard. And I'm like, babe, there is no way. Like, I think I was coming home after we hunted that morning, and then that that night, it was a Sunday night, they they woke us up in the bed. Oh, yeah. And I was like, they ain't in the yard, but they close in the card. They ain't fall. They're pretty close. And they may have just been across the street in the pasture, but they were, I was like, God, this ain't a mile.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

You think when when they're close enough that you can hear them inside your house, I mean, yeah, they're pretty close. You know.

SPEAKER_05 38:53

I kind of compare 150. I will say they gotta be within 100 yards.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Yeah, that's what I would say too. I mean, you think about, you know, because we've got two dogs in a kennel outside, you know, you think about when you hear them bark and you know how close they are to you.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

My house is spray foamed and it's got that uh on the vinyl side and it's got styrofoam in it too. The walls are spray foamed. Oh yeah. That's muffling some sound. You ain't lying.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

That is. I remember I've heard them a few times here, which I mean I don't step outside every night and really listen, but we've been here 20-something years, and I've heard them a few times on the other side of that that package.

SPEAKER_05 39:31

It seemed like you would hear them a lot right there.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Yeah, um, I don't guess I've ever really paid attention a whole lot, but I have heard them. I mean, if I stood out there at nine or ten or eleven o'clock at night, I'd probably hear more, but um I'll be asleep by then.

SPEAKER_05 39:49

Asleep. Yeah, well maybe. Falling asleep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

But one thing I like about it is, you know, it's it's not where you just have going and sitting in a, you know, you're you're hitting a couple spots, you know, you're with your buddies, you know, you're sitting there shooting the bull while you wait, you know. Yeah. And with the thermals, you know, at night, you're not having to.

SPEAKER_05 40:09

You know, that's masking your masking some sound that you don't have.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

And you're not, and you're not, you're not having to be super still because it's at night, you know, and with them thermals, you might you might catch them because like them thermals, they'll detect heat 2,900 yards. Wow, money. You might catch them way off in the distance, and sometimes they'll hang up on you out there, sometimes they won't. So you get to, you know, you're just scanning and you'll see them start coming, and what's amazing is just how much stuff is around you you didn't realize were was there, you know, until you till you look in with that thermal.

SPEAKER_05 40:37

And uh I I had uh one of my buddies from Mobile had we were at the hunting camp one night, and he flew his drone, and he had a had a thermal drone, had a thermal drone, flashlight, you know, all the capabilities. And it's amazing what's around you within like a hundred yards.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

You know, we went down.

SPEAKER_05 40:56

We send it out the fire pit, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

We went down to Reese's farm, it's been a month or so ago, and uh flew the drone and found the pigs, and uh just so happened when we found them, they were coming into the closest field to us. We were standing up here at the camp. Wow. So we let them all get in there and we slipped down there and um we shot them and we we dropped, ended up dropping six in the field, and then we flew the drone and found some more we mangled up that were you know slipping around. So but they got across the proper line, so it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 41:27

That is that is very neat.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

But um we've had a lot of fun with them. Yeah. And you can do it year-round. So when that hunting season goes out, you're like, man, I'm ready for hunting season.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

So the license is what, like 15 bucks? 18 bucks, I think is what it was.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Yep. But can you so can you still do the thermal hunting during deer season? I think I think it's like limited from for deer season, correct?

SPEAKER_05 41:51

What what what the Pickens County Game Warden, uh Joey Richardson, he he he told I don't know, but I I think they have something. This was about a year ago. They do have something that you can you can get like a special permit, but it has to be caught, and they gotta have your numbers, they gotta have your coordinates of where you're gonna be. You know, in case somebody calls or or they hear it, or they're oh, that's Jason Cole, or that's Clint Daly and Jake Presley, or you know, he's over there hunting, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

So I don't know how much it is. Yeah, you get I think even with the permit, I I want to say that maybe is that what you tell you? That may be free. That may be, and that may be it may be something different during deer season. I'm not I'm not positive on that, but I think there's probably is some some gray area there. Yeah. Whereas like, you know, and I asked a game board one time, because I I, you know, I had I'd never been checked by one around here or a dove hunt one day. The game board shows up. Of course, we were all illegal and he checks us, and man, we're standing there and birds are flying, everybody's just kind of standing there, and he goes, Hey, y'all gonna shoot them birds? I was like, well, you know, they dealt with this before, but as long as you good, he said, y'all are good. So I said, Well, let me ask you a question. I said, Um, say you get a call one night for guns going off somewhere, and you it's over my house, and you should pull up over there, and I've been out there at night, and I I killed a cow, and he said, I'll tell you to kill the rest of them. He said, now if I pull up over there and you got a deer laying out, we're gonna have a different conversation. I said, 100%. I said, but you know, it's a cow pasture, you know, and it it's you know, and I I know for I'm I know for a fact that cattle farmers can you know they don't have that.

SPEAKER_05 43:22

Yeah, they can't. If you're for like you, I want to say like your chickens and your cows, that's right. You you can do it. And I even asked you, you know, and I kind of, you know, I I you know, I really I don't care, but I mean I, you know, I I want to make it easy as possible. But, you know, like I hate to have a coyote flopping around in a trap, you know, on the side of the not really the main road, but you know, some of the big, you know, those big logging roads up there, they're all gravel, the main roads, you know, around the place that I hunt Bella Bola. You know, I was afraid that, you know, so many coyote tracks are so much scat in the middle of the main roads. And I'm like, you could catch these coyotes out here. And you wouldn't have to go into the interior and waste all that time. That's right. You know, so I asked him and I was like, man, these people up here are coming up for turkey hunting or they're coming to listen to something. And I was like, well, I don't want to offend anybody. They see a Cody flopping around in a trap out there and it'll hurt somebody's feelings. But I asked him about it at the Aldisville Banquet last year. And he said, put them in the ground. Catch all of them. If you got any problem, call me.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

Well, that's another thing about, you know, hunting coated. You know, y'all know as well as I do. You go knock on somebody's door and say, hey, can I can I hunt you turkeys? Or can I hunt you deer? No. They're gonna shut the door in your face. By gosh, you go ask them if you can hunter, if they got coated you can hunt, especially farmers. Go ahead. Let me show you where they are. I mean. And so, you know, that's that's been that's a good thing too, you know, because you know, you get a lot of access or you know, within a close distance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

So you know, we were talking about trapping a while ago. I I talked to a guy I worked with the other day, and you know, I told him I got this coate trap, you know, going to get in the mar or whatever. He said he used to do a lot of trapping years ago. Mm-hmm. And the guy he did it with for his dirt hole sets, chicken egg.

SPEAKER_05 45:13

Yes. Yes, I have heard chicken eggs, because they, you know, they like coats, they love chicken eggs. I mean it's turkey nests. It makes sense. Or grind any ground nesting birds.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Yes. I know, you know, I something I've never heard of.

SPEAKER_05 45:26

I put them in my coon traps before and you know, coons love eggs.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

So you just pop it in a dirt hole, throw some sheep oil over it, a little p whatever and you know, you wouldn't think that egg it probably puts off a wouldn't think it would, but it probably puts off a lot of smell.

SPEAKER_05 45:41

We can't smell it, but they can.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah. And once it gets rotten.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

It's gonna have a little fun to it. No doubt.

SPEAKER_05 45:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

You ever busted up a bad egg? You crack a bad egg. Yeah, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 45:55

Woo! Man. And I'll get them from I'll get them from time to time. Like I did one about uh four or five days. Well, the last weekend. Well, yeah, last weekend I did one, and I had already had my skillet hot, and I popped that thing and it was real runny, and it went, it just, you know, it wasn't like a regular oak, it was like the yolk, it was like water. And I was like, I ain't even gonna smell that one. I just put it over there and dumped in the garden. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

I done ate all the eggs you gave me. You did? I ate all of them.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

Man, I left that whole duck you gave me the other day in your truck.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

Oh, you did? Oh, well, I got you some more. I got we got they our our chicken's been laying. We've been getting like eight, nine eggs every day. And like, I think Ashley came to me, she'd come in there last night, she had it for shirt and had it was full of eggs. Good grease, she said, every chicken but one laid of egg. And it was one of it was one of them colored eggs that we usually get, and we didn't get it, and we knew exactly who it was.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

We had some chickens until my wife and mother-in-law found a found a snake in the coop and that they were done.

SPEAKER_05 47:05

Well, you know, my mine, she's a beast. You know, she'll go out, she'll get them out of there. She won't get a snake. I ain't uh she'll get them out with a hoe, she'll pull them out. Well, you know, you ain't. No, and no. I'll pull that thing out with a hoe at a distance.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

We had I had one in the coop that got kind of hung up in. I had the enclosed part out. Those things are strong. You use like some fence pickets to close in. Used to be the kid's playset, but they wouldn't use anymore. So like the swing set thing up, I made like a enclosed that with chicken wire. Yeah. It already had a little ladder for them to go up. And what was the part where they go up in there and go down the slide? I used fence pickets and close that bad boy in. Well, the snake was up in there. I said, mm-mm. I found a crack, stuck a 22 to the crack. Yeah. I ain't done.

SPEAKER_05 47:51

Can't stand a snake. Don't be messing with them things. Anything with no legs is evil. Yep. Ain't got no legs and it can move. And I mean now I don't mean to somebody that had legs and ain't got no no more. I'm talking about animals.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

So you don't like it. He said it looks like a snake, like a caterpillar.

SPEAKER_05 48:11

No, I don't pick up earth worms.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

You don't you don't even pick up worms to fish with? Oh man, I'll be scared of them things. What you brown fish with? Crickets? Huh? What you brown fish with? Yeah, I'll I'll I'll yeah, uh.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

I'll pick up a cricket now, man. They got legs. You trust it.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

They do bite too sometimes. Well, we go brim fishing. My grandfather used to give me a dollar for every cricket I'd eat. I ate a lot of crickets. I did learn that if you don't pull the legs off, he will crawl back up. Mmm. After I figured that out, I could make money. I was making money. Yeah, like uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

I don't know about that. Mm-mm. Well, I was like five. I didn't care.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

I ain't eat no bugs unless it's an accident.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Yeah. Not even for a dollar. No. At five years old, I thought a dollar was a million.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

You were rich. I was gonna get me a lollipop. I leave grandpa, my tummy be hurt, but I had five dollars. You ain't lying. Walking out the store with five dum-dums in your hand. No me. I ain't never heard that. Oh lord. I mean, I've eaten a cricket because somebody, you know, dared me to or whatever, but I've never been paid to eat a cricket. I guess you're a lot smarter than I was. At least you got my friends. My grandpa thought it was hilarious. You're a lot smarter than I was. Grab you one of them crickets, boy. Okay. It ain't gonna hurt you. Yeah. I didn't just because somebody said I wouldn't. I was making money. It's bad. Yeah. So how many guns have you sold for turkey season so far this year? I have I know you said that you were pretty.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

I've probably sold six turkey guns already. And I've got In just a couple weeks. Yes. Yeah. It never failed. I mean, it seems like they wait until right at the you know the brink. And you know, I've got um I've got um one new one in stock. I've got a I've got a used 870 Super Mag. Remember when it had the thumb hole stock? Yeah. I've got one of those.

SPEAKER_05 50:18

I have one of those.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

I've got one of those that uh breakup. Is that obsession or whatever it is? Or is it a or is it I think it's advantage.

SPEAKER_05 50:26

Really?

SPEAKER_02 50:26

I believe so.

SPEAKER_05 50:27

I have I have a thumb hole that's you know it's a wooden stock. Oh, and it's painted, you know, it's got this breakup camouflage.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Yeah. This is I say it's a thumb hole, it's more of a a bigger hole, it's not just a thumb, you know. It's got like the opening. It's kind of like a pistol grip kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 50:41

Yeah, it's got the the comb on it's real thick, you know, it won't it don't beat up your face too bad. I've got one. I think it does.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

It was it's actually it's actually one of my brothers on the sale. He's uh he he done he done swapped over. Yeah. So he's it is like your moss bird. It just sits back here in that corner.

SPEAKER_05 50:58

But you know that, you know, that the uh that that thumb hole, it it it don't kick you like it don't kick you like the regular one.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

I tell you what I've sold a lot of is uh it's an escort makes a little it's a PS Youth. And it's a little old short gun and 20 gauge. My my little boy shoots one and man, if he walks away from me in the duffield, I'm start shooting it.

SPEAKER_05 51:17

I mean it's the first gun, one of the first turkey guns that I ever bought when I got, well, the second one, I got away from that 835, I was like, man, I was getting a little older. I was like 30 something years old, and I thought, man, this thing hurts. You know, so then I got so then I was I bought a Remington come out with an 870. It was called a Supermax Gobbler. It had a Nox op stock on it. And it had, you know, that had it had a couple of springs in that stock, you know, where it actually absorbed a lot of the recoil. You know, you could press that stock, you know, and it would suppress, and it was amazing. I've got one of those too, then I bought that. Yeah, I bought that one, and it had it come with rifle sights on it and everything. It was a very nice one.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

A Mossberg 500 that I got coming today for a guy, and it's got like your AR slide stock on the back. That's what this is.

SPEAKER_05 52:08

Okay, it was a Noxophone. Hold about five shells on the side of it. Uh it didn't, it didn't have well that's the Mossberg. Okay. Okay, this uh this 870, it was a uh a Nox op stock. It was, I think it was 870 Supermax Gobbler is what it was called.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

That Super Mag ain't no fun to shoot. But it is nice shotgun.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Well, Todd, um, let everybody know where they can get in touch with you at Black Belt. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Um I got um look me up on Facebook, got a Facebook page, Black Belt Guns and Ammo, um, phone number, everything is listed there. And usually, you know, hit me up on Facebook and I'll respond usually that day. So and another thing too, you know, I'm in Hell County, so it Hell County's health tax seven percent. So it's ten percent. That's three percent right there off the top. Oh that's good news.

SPEAKER_05 52:57

But um, it's uh it's been good.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

It's been good. I hope I'm on to see how far I can go with it.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

Good for you. Good luck. See how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Appreciate you coming on. Glad to have you. Thank y'all for having me.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Sure do. You're gonna close us out today. I ain't got a Bible verse, I got something I got off my devotional the other day. When you feel like God's not there with you and you're looking for a sign and get nothing but silence in return. Remember the teacher was always silent in school when you were taking a test. Just cause things aren't easy doesn't mean he's not with you.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Cool. I like that. Awesome. That concludes our show today.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

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