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LGBTQIA+ Elder Worker & Itasca Pride Treasurer...Karter Starling!

• Trans Northland • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Join us as Trans Northland welcomes Karter Starling to the conversation!

Karter (he/him) is the Rural Elder Outreach Manager at Lutheran Social Service of Minnesota and serves as the Treasurer on the board of Itasca Pride. Karter came out as transgender at 16 and has several years of experience working in LGBTQIA+ advocacy and organizing in a variety of political climates from his hometown of Tulsa, Oklahoma, to Portland, Oregon, and finally in rural Minnesota. Today, Karter manages a program that helps to educate rural LGBTQIA+ elders about advance care planning options and is working to record the histories and legacies of these elders through one-on-one storytelling sessions. When he's not organizing and advocating, Karter can be found in his pollinator garden, deep in a book, or enjoying living in Minnesota's nature.


Show Notes:

SPEAKER_00

Well, hey there, friends. Together we are live with Transnorthland. I'm super excited to be with you here. Uh, it's been a little bit because we had to cancel our last one. Um, but before we jump into things, I want to say my name is Sean Hayes. My pronouns are he, him, and his, and I am a co-founder and the executive director here at Trans Northland coming to you live from my car across from the depot, where we will talk a little bit more about what's going on here today and why I am on site with our incredible guest star, who I am pumped to welcome to the stage. Guest star, join us, please. And would you share your name, pronouns, and a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, my name is Carter Starling. I use he, him pronouns, and I am on the board for iTaska Pride, and I am also working today with Lutheran Social Service for our event.

SPEAKER_00

Heck yes! And that event we are gonna definitely tell you all about. Um, but as many of you know who have been tuning into our live stream show here, we love to start off with our favorite and first segment, our gender joy segment. Uh, and so for those of you who haven't tuned in before, um basically what this is is we share a moment of gender euphoria, gender joy that each of us have experienced lately. So, you know, if you're a trans person, that might be something related to your transition about coming out. It also could just be, I bought a new cool shirt that I love, or I got my nails done and I feel really pretty with them, or you know, so it literally can be anything that has brought you some joy. And Carter, I'm excited to hear if you have a story uh to share with us today.

SPEAKER_01

I do. Um, I have two little ones. So I have my top surgery consult on Friday. Um, it'll be my second consult. The first one was not the right surgeon for me, and that's important. I said no, we're looking for more. So I have that on Friday to look forward to. Uh, and I've also I'm about two-thirds of the way through a speech language pathology program uh through the University of Minnesota Duluth, and it's actually free if you get yourself on the list for gender-affirming speech therapy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh, that sounds amazing and like an amazing resource for folks out there who might be interested. But oh my gosh, congrats so much on the consult, and that is such a huge deal and can take such a long time to get set up, and just it's quite the process. So I wish you the best at this consult.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. And for me, I'm trying to think. Um, this is a time of year where I have a couple different, like, well, I say, trans transversaries. Um uh it was right around this time, um, gosh, probably about nine or ten years ago, that I legally changed my name. Uh, and I have, you know, reminders that sort of pop up every year to remind me of that. And that was such a really beautiful time. Um, I had loved ones, you know, with me to support me, you know, at that court date. Uh, and I just remember coming out of there with my name, you know, legally mine, and just feeling so much more, I don't know, full whole. Um, and like things just fit better for me. And and so, and now it's you know, it's kind of a weird time to talk about something like that, as lots of trans folks are struggling now in different states in our country to get the identification um to match who they are. And so just want to also own that that's some privilege too that you know we we experience with these gender joy moments too. Um, but nonetheless, we are happy for everyone when we experience joy, especially now when it can feel hard to come by. Um, so thanks again, Carter, for sharing about your joy. Um, and yeah, we're gonna pop into our event highlight section of our live stream. Um, so as we know, we are here live on the ground at an event, which I'm gonna let Carter tell you all about in a minute. Um, but I definitely want to mention and invite all of you who are watching, um, whether you're live or checking it out later, we are having our Transgender Day of Visibility community event this coming Sunday. Uh, that is March 29th, and we will be back here at the depot. Oh, let me see if I can turn the there it is, there's the depot. That's where we are now and where we'll be back on Sunday. Um, and that event goes from 1 to 4 p.m. Everyone is welcome to come and celebrate the trans folks in your life and in your community. Uh, we'll have basically a huge marketplace set up in the great hall of the depot. Uh, there will be art making space and a quiet sensory space as well, available for folks. And if you get there early, uh, you might get a free slice of pizza from Pizza Luce. Our friends there have donated uh a handful of pizzas. So get there uh early and you can get a slice. So uh you can find all those details and more on our social media, Facebook, Instagram. Um, and yes, so then today, Carter, I want to definitely hand it over to you um to talk a little bit about today, and then we'll obviously I think get into more of the nitty-gritty, some more details of the work that you do. But yeah, tell the good people what we're doing out here today.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. Um, and also if you're watching this later, our event goes from noon to seven today. So we, if you're working, if you are late to the to the live stream, we're here till seven. Uh, we are doing an event called Protect Your Rights ASAP, advanced self-advocacy planning. Um, as we kind of alluded to with the name change story, um, there's a lot of concern about our rights being eroded and how do we protect ourselves in these really scary times. Uh, so this event is meant to be a one-stop shop to get those things taken care of. We have multiple certified folks here uh who are ready to help with things like a health care directive and healthcare agent, which can make sure that your chosen person has the power to be by your side in the hospital and make choices on your behalf and advocate for you. So um, right now in Minnesota, there is no official next of kin law. Um, so there is no official way to dictate who gets to make the choices in case you have an emergency. It's usually just a hospital-by-hospital policy. So, this is a really good way to write down exactly how you want to be treated and exactly who you want to have in the hospital with you at any given time, whether or not we have the rights that we have right now. Uh, another thing that we're working on today is the power of attorney, um, which covers a whole lot of things. It's a lot more of the financial side, but it can also be some of the healthcare side. And within that, we also have the designation of parental authority. So uh if our rights change, or even if they don't, this is a document that you can fill out now to say if something happens to me, this is the person who gets to make education, living, healthcare, et cetera, choices for my children while I'm incapacitated or if I am gone. Uh, so we will have access to get all of those things done with certified people who can walk you through all the hard questions. We have notaries ready to go. It is just come in, get it done, have that extra layer of protection for your rights.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Thank you, thank you. And yeah, if you didn't hear, it's free. I mean, these services typically cost, you know, they can cost upwards of a couple hundred bucks, right? If you're they're you know lawyer services sometimes. Yeah. Yes, yes. So come down as we said, 12 p.m. We're open now. Uh there are people while we're talking who are ready, if you're ready to come down now uh until 7 p.m. We will have folks here at the depot. So come on down and join us and grab some snacks, Carter. I mean, y'all, y'all brought some good snacks too. Awesome. Well, yes, we hope to see some of you down this way. Uh, and yeah, as we kind of dig deeper into our conversation, you know, I'm really excited that I got to connect with you, Carter, you know, to do this event and get to know you a little bit. And I'm just really, I'm always excited to introduce folks to our community because I think there's so many folks out here in our queer, trans, gender, expansive community, and we're all doing such cool things, and like I want everyone to know. So I would love to jump into that. And I know uh I can't remember, you may have mentioned at the beginning, but um, I would love to hear a little bit more about how you got involved with Itasca Pride for those of us who are you know based more in like the Duluth Superior Twin Ports area. Maybe nobody knows that there's a pride happening up there. So I'd love to hear a little bit more about that.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. So this will be our third pride. So it was like October of 2023. We all just kind of got together uh and decided that this is a thing that needed to happen, and we got started forming our board and becoming an official entity. Um, so I only moved here in 2022, so it was very quickly like it's hard to make friends in rural Minnesota, so you start seeking out good folks as soon as you can because it took us a good six months to really find our people. Um, and once we did, it was just kind of natural from there. It was time. Um, there had been other smaller like pride groups that had formed and fallen apart and formed and fallen apart, and nothing had been solid. Uh, so we just needed to get it together and make it happen.

SPEAKER_00

Heck yeah. As it always seems to happen, you know, there's always like a group of folks in community who come together and they're like, we want to have this thing, right? And then community makes it happen. And so, so do you are y'all already working on like this upcoming year? Like, what can you share about the event itself? Is there like a save the date? How's that going for you?

SPEAKER_01

We start working on it in December, specifically because food trucks are hard to work with. Um, historically, we have shared the same weekend as grandma's. That's not the case this year, but that has made it very hard to get food trucks up north. Um, so it is on June 14th from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. this year. It's a Sunday. Uh, and we have our drag queens lined up. We have a DJ dance party in the afternoon. We have a really wonderful acoustic artist playing on the stage in the morning. Uh, and we usually have between 50 and 60 vendors. Uh, this is the year I'm the treasurer and I have to do all of the finance and risk management. They finally talked me into a bouncy castle. So there will be a bouncy castle this year. That's the big development. Yes. So we're we're we have another planning meeting Saturday, so we're just trucking along, but we have all the food trucks secured. We're maxed. So that's now everything else is fine. People are fed.

SPEAKER_00

Everything else will fall, we'll come together. That's right. Oh my gosh. I I have learned that lesson too uh about the food trucks and this last Trans Joyfest. I think we had the most we've ever had last year. We maybe had four or four food trucks. Uh, and then it was like a month after that event. I started reaching out to them again, and I was like, y'all, get our date for next year on your calendar. So yeah, I think we've got like seven or eight food trucks now signed up for our event in June, Trans Joyfest. So um that is a thing. And you would have no idea, right? Unless you're a community organizer doing this kind of behind the scenes planning stuff to put these events together. Um, but um, oh man, I was gonna ask, okay, there was two questions. One of them is I'm losing it, but the second one is I'm curious, because I'm not super familiar with like the range area myself. Um, I've been up that way a couple times, but I believe our vice chair of our board of directors, that queer issa, uh, has been up, you know, is from that area and maybe has performed at your Pride events too. And yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

And Willigan this year.

SPEAKER_00

Heck yeah, there you go. Okay. So shout out if you're a fan of that queer Issa, if you're from up in, you know, that way on the range. Uh, I'm guessing, are there ways that folks could like connect with y'all if they wanted to come and help, like plan and volunteer?

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. You can reach out to volunteers at itascapride.org. Um, and I just want to clarify because I can hear the infighting already. You definitely aren't from the range because we're technically not the range. Like geographically, we are, we have iron, but if you ask anybody north of like Nashwalk, we don't count. So don't start the fights.

SPEAKER_00

Don't listen to me. I'm just a Duluthian. I don't know my range, Northwest Minnesota. Uh, don't definitely not try to start any fights uh or drama, although we know there's always drama in the queer community. I mean in every community, let's be real. But um, that is awesome. And I don't know that Trans Northland has ever made it up there to like table. I wonder if we could make it happen this year. You're welcome to it. Oh, okay. Board of directors, if you're listening, uh, let's remember this. Um, and I guess as I'm like sort of wrapping up that question, I'm curious. Um, I'm throwing some random stuff at you, Carter, so you can apologize. But um, you know, like I think a lot of folks down here in the Duluth area or like even further south, right? And like the Twin Cities metro area, like we we sort of have this idea that northern northwest Minnesota is, you know, I don't know how you maybe you should describe it, but might feel a little scarier, a little bit more conservative, a little bit less safe for queer and trans folks to be. And yet we know we're everywhere. There are queer and trans folks there. So I just wonder if you'd be willing to speak at all about you know your experience feeling safe up there and maybe how the community is shifting, maybe. I mean, we always hope communities are are shifting and growing for the better, but I'm curious what you would say.

SPEAKER_01

I would say honestly, most of the challenges that we have faced have been systemic. The city has not been supportive of us um and has gone out of their way to make it harder for us to do what we do, um, which has been frustrating. But then for every time that a city official or a city power that that is, power that be um makes things harder, we have other people who will help make it easier. So we just have to know where the good folks are. Um, otherwise, safety-wise, people people are loudmouths, um, and that's a problem. The first year we had quite a bit of protest. Um there may or may not be restraining orders, which makes it a lot safer for us moving forward. Um, but there was definitely, especially that first year, we had a lot of internal discussion about like, okay, this is a big thing. It's getting a lot of weird attention from a lot of weird people. Uh, the police are going to be there. They know, they have heard, they're aware, they're gonna be there. So do we want to not communicate with them and not have a clear understanding of what their plan is and not be informed, or do we want to have to sit down and talk to the police? And that was quite a big discussion internally. Um not empowering or enabling, but also if we don't cooperate, then we have absolutely no leverage, understanding, communication. There's, you know, so we've had to really navigate that to the point where we have one person who is the police liaison who just does the communication piece and keeps it where it needs to be. Because otherwise, and even with that communication, they did go behind our backs to do extra things that they didn't share with us openly. They were going to do that first year for safety. Um, and it was an icky feeling, but also yeah, it's rough. But I would say that the feeling of safety comes from the empowerment and from the community building. So last April we opened our physical space, and so we have uh lots of events rolling through the month. Starting April, the first Tuesday in April, we have a book club happening from 5:30 to 7. We have a monthly craft group on the third, no, second Thursday from 4:30 to 6. We do a trivia night at Clockow Brewing from uh six to eight on the second Tuesday, and then every fourth Saturday, we have coffee and conversations from 10 to noon. Uh and we've we have some rolling like virtual events and stuff. We have a Discord that we don't like hand out, but if you oh, it looks like I'm frozen. Am I frozen?

SPEAKER_00

I can still hear you. Oh, now you're moving. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Uh if we don't just hand that out, but if you come to an event and connect with us, we'll get you in there. It's really secure and safe in that way. Um, but that community piece, community is what helps us through adversity, and it has been so empowering for so many of our community members, ranging just from learning how to be a stronger leader all the way to I'm gonna come out to my mom this weekend and I don't know how it's going to go. Uh, can you help me if I'm not safe? Yes, we sure can. We're here, we're ready to go.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm really glad I thought to ask that question because I mean, it sounds like there is a ton of community that is happening, despite the fact that the area still is challenging to be probably openly visibly trans or queer. Um, but yeah, I think that that, I mean, that very much I think was my experience when I first came out as a trans person in Duluth. You know, this was like 11 years ago. Um, there weren't as many places to gather or groups or craft nights. I mean, that it really has expanded here in ways I never saw possible, honestly, back then. Um, you know, and it just reminds me again of like our events calendar, which let me like flash that back up here. Uh, because I was thinking too, Carter, I need to make sure I have all of those groups. Um, if y'all are willing to share the details with our calendar, you know, we want to have those kinds of things on our events calendar so folks from kind of all over can find ways to connect, um, whether they're in Duluth or Itasca area, Virginia, or wherever. Um, so if that's cool, send me stuff. Um, but this, yeah, this conversation around safety, I mean, obviously it's it's been growing and and many, many more conversations are happening at these levels, um, you know, with different pride groups and and just our LGBT groups, folks doing work in community too. And so um it is interesting. There's a lot of folks who would say, you know, they don't want police involved at all. And yet it sounds very much like it is a way that y'all have to move about um based on your geography and and the setup of y'all's towns and and communities.

SPEAKER_01

They're gonna be there whether we want them or not. And also we're located right on two state highways, so it it's beyond anything that we could possibly try to control or put a lid on. So it's like we would rather be informed about what their plan is so that we can organize around that than have to go in blind.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. Yeah, and I love that idea of having like a liaison, someone who, you know, does not have, you know, maybe past trauma with police or law enforcement, you know, someone who's willing to volunteer to be that person. Um, I'm just like, huh, yeah, I'm gonna like store that away. Um, you know, for conversations we have uh that we're constantly having at Trans Northland about safety and and how do we um make sure our events are safe and that people who attend them feel safe and and can see you know visible signs of of that planning that we do as organizers. So um yeah, thank you for sharing. I mean, I like I said, I'm kind of clueless about uh up north, and so it's really I think good for us to connect. And I'm just feeling grateful again that you're on this call right now. Um sharing more. Uh and so as we move into our next question here, so yeah, what is it that I mean, Lutheran Social Services? I think that place does a lot of things, but can you tell us more about what you do there and and maybe how you got involved in it?

SPEAKER_01

So I am aware of many hats. Um I'm managing the Age Friendly Minnesota grant right now, um, which I am collecting the stories of queer elders in the Northland, especially rural, but in general. So if you'd like to do that, um, you can reach out to my Email through Itasca Pride. It's treasurer at itascapride.org. Or you can come to the event and sign up on the sign-up sheet today and get to meet me and we can chat. But another part of that is helping elders get their healthcare directive and healthcare agent paperwork in place. And the major part of that is that if you have an emergency, whether you're an elder or not, like let's say that you have a car accident and you go to the hospital and you're deemed incapacitated. If you don't have a clear person to make decisions on your behalf, every emergency decision that happens about your health has to go to an ethics committee. So that means the doctor has to identify that you need the help, then they have to go to a board, and then the board has to talk about it, and then they have to vote on it, and then they have to approve it, and then it has to go back to the doctor to get you the care that you need. And so how that is often circumvented, because obviously that's not efficient, uh, is that you will be put under emergency guardianship, which usually would last for 90 days. Um, but the other big part of my job, which we'll get into in a minute, um I can tell you for a fact, most of the time, 90, 85, 90% of the time, it goes to being permanent. Uh and so there are very specific rights that you will lose by having a guardian, the right to choose where you live, the right to take care of your personal needs and personal property, the right to medical decisions, uh, the right to signing contracts to supervision, whether you're supervised or not, the right to uh manage your own benefits, the right to legal protection, and then a couple of other smaller ones, but um, there's a lot there. So having the health care directive and healthcare agent in place, what happens is that when you're in the hospital and you're deemed incapacitated, those rights for the moment will go to the person of your choice, specifically just for health care decisions, so that you don't have to have emergency guardianship, none of those other rights have to be touched. That person steps in, is informed by your wishes, and makes the right choices for you. And then when you are recapacitated, then you have your right immediately restored. Uh, so it's just a really great way to protect our rights.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes. And so, so, so important. I mean, I I will share as like a unmarried, you know, person who, you know, my family is is mostly um conservative folks and and we share different values in that way. And and so I personally I'm I'm gonna plan to sit down with someone, one of the professionals today for myself, because um I think that for me at least, and maybe for other folks, it feels weird to have to think about planning for these things, right? Like we're talking about if I end up in a coma, if I end up dying, what happens to all of you know my possessions, what help happens during my healthcare journey, you know. I mean, those are things that like we don't want to think about, and they feel weird and kind of icky, maybe, but also like empowering things, right? Like if I talk to a professional after uh and can figure out like what does it look like for me? How do I make sure my kid is protected after you know if something happens to me and and all of that, and then that my wishes as a queer trans person are respected during whatever you know may happen to me. Um, and so yeah, I think um it may feel weird. Um, and even if you can't make it to the event today, like there are plenty of folks, you know, Carter included, who can help you and assist you. Um, you know, not just today, it's not the only opportunity. Um, and so I would just say start thinking about that. Start thinking about what that may look like for you personally, you know, who do you want to be making those choices for you if you are unable or incapacitated, right? Um, these are really important things, and we want to make sure all of our community members have as many of their rights protected as possible, especially in this climate we're living in now. Um, and we want you to have that, you know, peace of mind that like I'm good to go, my kids are good to go, my partner, my family, whoever it is. Um, yeah. And so just remind me, Carter. So if folks can't make it out today, um, they can reach out to you, or what's the best um way for them to kind of set up a time to talk?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, we have so I would email referral with no s at lssmn.org uh and just state you would like to work with someone to set up a healthcare directive and assign a healthcare agent, and you will get put put with the right person. Um, we have a grant through the end of June to do this and offer the service for free. So as long as you get it squared away by the end of June, you will not have to pay for the service.

SPEAKER_00

Right on. And does that look right? Referral at LSSNN.org. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, sorry, SDM. SDM referral, not just referral, SDM referral. SDM referral. Let me update that.

SPEAKER_00

S D M referral. Got it. And let's save that. I'm doing too many things at once, but we want to make sure y'all have this information. SDM referral at L S M. Yes. Okay, great. Um, yes, so make sure if you're not stopping down today that you get in touch. Um, and I'm sure there's other organizations and businesses, lawyers you can connect with as well if you have the means. Um, but yeah, and to be fully transparent, of course, now my laptop is getting ready to die. And so unfortunately, we are gonna have to cut this live stream a little bit short. I do have some time and I want to get to this final question that we always ask our guests um because we think it's so important um all the time, but especially now too, when things feel extra stressful, extra scary, extra uncertain. Um, how are you taking care of yourself, Carter? And and maybe by you sharing, I'm hoping some of our viewers may be able to get some ideas on maybe how they could too.

SPEAKER_01

Um, so not even just with the world outside, but my family, my household has been kind of living in crisis mode um for since November. Uh so it for me, it's just been therapy and rest and just being patient and gentle with myself because it's like I am at full capacity and have been for like six months. Um, so it really is just it's okay not to be okay. And it's okay not to be at full capacity. It's okay to say no to things, it's okay, and and you don't have to feel bad. And then what I've been working on more recently in therapy, um, I was asked by by two different therapists um if I don't reach out much to others because I'm afraid of being a burden. And I was like, no, burden's not the right word. It's selfish. I don't want to be selfish. One of my values is stability. And I'm trying right now to work through is stability like an internalized white supremacy moment that I'm having? Do you am I saying that I can't ask for help from others? I can't rely on my community, even though I'm providing to the community because of stability. I don't want to be viewed as unstable. I don't want to bring chaos to other people. I see the chaos that's going on in everybody else's lives. Um, and that's something that I think I'm gonna have to start working to dismantle in myself. And I think that's the biggest self-care that I can do right now is just focus on that.

SPEAKER_00

Oof. Yeah, that is good stuff. Rest, taking care of ourselves, therapy for sure, if folks can afford to access therapy. And I know there's a lot of different options now out there, like that are virtual that folks can connect with, that are even like you know, designed for queer and trans folks. Um so definitely find more info about there, that out there. Um, and you can also connect with us, you can connect with Carter and and we can help you. We, you know, we want to make sure our folks are taken care of and getting the support that they need. Um, and I definitely can relate to I think what you shared there, Carter, of just and mine I think is like a I don't want to be a burden to people because yeah, I mean, everywhere you look, we all have like obviously the crushing weight of like this current administration on top of us, right? Pressing down, causing all of that tension and fear. And then we also all have like our individual stressors and things that we're dealing with, and grief and loss and breakups, and you know, you know, you name it. Like we are all feeling a lot of the pressure. And and so I think for me, I've been trying to learn and think about it as like it's a practice. I have to practice asking for help. Um, and then I have noticed that feel a little bit easier, especially when it's like I'm reaching out to my chosen fam folks. Those are the folks that like I know support and love and you know, I can trust um to let me know too. Like if they're like, I don't have capacity right now, Sean, and that's okay too. Like we gotta be honest with what we can give, and and a lot of us are giving probably more than you know what we have capacity for, because that's just kind of how we are. Um, and we do need to pause and rest um and connect with our people.

SPEAKER_01

So um yeah, I just I remember sorry, the the first time that one of my friends said, Thank you for saying no to me. And I was like, Oh, that's something I have to chew on that for a bit. And so that's been something with the Itasca Pride board that we've brought in is thank you for saying no. Because if we keep saying yes, we're gonna burn.

SPEAKER_00

That is an awesome practice. I might borrow that. I'll give y'all credit. Um, but yeah, that's another thing too. It's like no is a full sentence. I I don't have to actually explain why I don't have the spoons or the energy. I can just say no and you know, show up the next time when I do feel like I can. Um, and so that's great. Okay, awesome. Well, uh sorry about the technology batteries dying, etc., folks. Uh, and sorry about that, Carter, for you to cut our conversation short. But um, I just want to say thanks again for taking the time and for reaching out to us at TransNortland to help, you know, partner and and really put on this super important, you know, event for our community. And who knows, maybe there's opportunities in the future, you know, for us to connect more and and offer this again. Um, so y'all can stay tuned for info about that. But um until then, uh we will wrap it up here. And don't forget to come stop down uh to the depot. We're in the great hall. It's a beautiful blue sky day. Come see us and protect your rights, ASAP, uh, with Carter and his amazing team. Uh, thank you again for tuning in live with us here, friends. You can follow Transnorthland on Facebook and Instagram. You can sign up for our emails. You can find all of that on our website at transnorthland.org. Uh, and yeah, just thanks for being here with us. Thanks for being a part of our community. You all matter, and we will see you next time. Thank you. Thanks, y'all. See ya.