The Clinician Transition

Leaving Patient Care: Expectations vs. Reality

• The Clinician Transition • Season 1 • Episode 3

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What if the real question isn’t whether the grass is greener, but whether it suits how you actually grow? We dig into the messy truth of moving from patient care to non-clinical roles in health tech: where autonomy rises, ambiguity spikes, and energy becomes your best compass. 

Instead of chasing a fantasy job that promises more money and less work, we map the decisions that matter: testing your fit through small projects, noticing when time flies, and learning which stressors energize rather than exhaust you.

We share the unglamorous but liberating realities of remote work: deep focus, screen-heavy days, and the absolute mismatch between full-time caregiving and startup demands. 

Then we zoom into role specifics. Sales can bring flexible days and intense quarter-end sprints. Support and customer-facing roles often require coverage and steady availability. Across functions, business value beats raw busywork. Your outcomes, decisions, and contributions need to be visible. If you love collaborating fast, iterating on problems, and owning your impact, startup culture can feel like a team sport. If you prefer stable rhythms and clear plans, a different setting (or a different kind of non-clinical role) may fit better.

Leadership looks different here too. You’re not just enforcing policy; you’re guiding people through change, balancing clarity with speed, and rallying teams around a mission you truly believe in. And if you’re a therapist, you hold rare leverage: your license is durable, your skills translate, and you can test new paths without burning the bridge back to patient care. Start with experiments, read your energy, and choose your hard with intention. If your gut says try, try. If your flow shows up in a different setting, follow it.

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Emma Brady:

Hello and welcome back to the TCT podcast. This is Emma Brady, and I'm here with my incredible co-host Emily Kelly. Hello, everyone. And Casey Francis. Hey guys. And we are here to chat with you about a topic that's come up a lot, and we hope it brings value to you as you're thinking about what you want to do, regardless of where you are in your transition journey, whether you're working towards it, or maybe you're somewhere along the path when you have transitioned and things are surprising you, and we want to normalize that. And the topic is is the grass really greener? Is getting a non-clinical job going to magically solve all my problems? Or is there still reality in real life on the other side? So we'll dig into that. Before that, we were just having a conversation about what cartoon characters each other would be and why. And we thought it'd be fun to let you hear a little bit about the silliness that happens before we record these when we're catching up.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, Emma, I think we found a perfect match for you. Spot on. Laura Croft. Okay. Can we expand on the things that Laura Croft does that Emma also does? IRL. She's doing things to get it done, what needs to be done. And she's always got the energy, like the energizer bunny, that just does not stop until the job is done. And then she doesn't wait around. She just she's intelligent and capable. She solves problems. Like, would you agree, Emma? Like, what are the other what do you find yourself having in common with this character in your at your work?

Emma Brady:

You guys are being very flattering. I appreciate that. I have been told a couple of times I'm really intimidating, which makes me sad. I don't want to be intimidating to people. And I joked and I said, Is it because I don't use exclamation points unnecessarily in Slack? And the person goes, No, it's not. That's not that.

SPEAKER_03:

But I support that. I support it's because you're just so smart and capable. I don't think that you're intimidating because of anything you're doing. It's just because people want to have all of your skills and be able to dominate like you do. So that's what I would say.

Emma Brady:

She's on I strive to be, and I appreciate you guys being so nice, but she's she's the ultimate at it. And Casey, we had a ton for you.

Emily Kelly:

But I I have some, yes, Emma. You go for I have one particular person, but Emma came up with so many good characters for Casey.

Emma Brady:

Minus for sure, Mrs. Frizzle from the Magic School Bus. Love this. I'm just I'm on my school bus. Yeah, like the same amazing energy and just what you do with teaching everyone and getting them excited and taking them on the adventure they want to go on or not, which is changing their EMR. You are there with them.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's go look at the inner workings of an EMR, folks.

SPEAKER_01:

You're in the bowels. You're in there. It makes me want to go back and watch it, but you do the same. We should redo your title as nice as frizzle.

Emma Brady:

She's just, you know, she just makes sure everyone has the information and doesn't feel like lessen or like talk about something that's really intimidating and can sometimes make people feel bad if they don't know how to do something that they've done for a while and you and your team, the effort people are taking to make the learning be a positive thing and not feel so intimidating and be accessible is you know incredible work. I love that. Makes a difference.

SPEAKER_03:

And then I have to tell a story about when I was watching uh Zootopia with my family on the couch, my two boys and my husband, and the bunny kept reminding me of someone, y'all. And I was like, who does this bunny remind me of? And then it popped in my head. I was like, Emily Kelly. This is Emily Kelly in rabbit cartoon form because she's got gumption, she does the right thing, she just keeps after it. She beckons, she's a leader without trying to be a leader, she just is a leader, and then she just never gives up and she gets it done and perseveres. And it was just so funny because that little bunny's personality just made me so happy.

Emily Kelly:

The little bunny is from like rural America, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, I know. It was a perfect fit, anyway. Oh well, listen, now y'all can all imagine us as our avatars moving forward when you hear our voices on the pod.

Emma Brady:

Hopefully, uh just getting to know us a little bit more if we haven't had a chance to chat with you one-on-one that much. So let's head into the topic. So is the grass greener on the other side? And just to start off, I want everyone to give a one-word answer and then we'll dig into why. So, Emily, is the grass greener on the other side? Yes or no? Sort of.

Emily Kelly:

Sort of depends.

Emma Brady:

Okay, I like that. Casey, how about you? Yeah, I would agree with depends, but for me, yes. So, Emily, why don't we start with you? What's your perspective on is the grass greener? I'd be really curious to hear a little bit about your story and all of the work you did and the effort you did before you made the switch and how that prepared you and what still surprised you.

Emily Kelly:

Yeah, so I say it depends because it totally depends on the person and what they get energy from. I personally did not only re- so I also don't think research is enough. I did a ton of research and I still had a ton of options. But one of the things that I did to prepare is I tried doing things. So I picked up extra projects. I worked at the APTA on one of their catalyst groups for non-clinical roles for a little bit. And I actually helped start that group. And in doing so, I had to organize meetings and meet with people, making sure we're moving forward and organize all the information and create a plan. And there was a couple of afternoons where I just worked on all of that and I just sat in front of my computer and the time flew by and I was super energized by it. I wasn't tired, I wasn't like, I hate this. And that was a really, really good clue. And then also in a couple of my jobs, I would like to sit down and do projects and I would help people optimize the EMR. And that gave me a ton of energy. So taking on some of these extra things helped me know, helped me give, get good evidence. Yes, this is a good direction for me. And it's also something when I was hiring for CS, something I looked for. If they were not in a CS role currently and they were gonna wanting to transition out of clinical care directly, had they tried something? What had they tried? Or was this just something they were doing because they wanted to do the next step? Right.

SPEAKER_03:

I love that clue you gave of like time passing without realizing how much time had passed. Like that you you were like you found yourself in like your flow state. I think that's a such a great green flag to be aware of just all the time. And that'll help you find what what makes your what makes your brain and your body and your everything align, you know, to what you're supposed to be doing.

Emily Kelly:

Yeah. I know like a couple of friends. I was with one of my friends this weekend and um she was wonderful to be self-aware enough because she wants to make the next step too, but she was like, I could never sit in front of a computer. I could never do that. She knows that about herself. So she's not looking to move into health tech.

Emma Brady:

Um, I just thought that was really wise of her. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Speaking in front of sitting in front of a computer all day. That's something that comes up for us a lot, where it's a pretty big change, like a massive change, going from being patient-facing in the clinic, running around the hospital, driving around to people's homes, whatever setting you're in, to sitting in front of a computer all day. Casey, how is that for you?

SPEAKER_03:

So that was a big change for me. And I think for a couple reasons. I mean, I was so ingrained in the clinic. I remember vividly uh just the clinic rhythm that you don't even realize that you're subconsciously just so used to that I found myself 10 to the hour, every hour, I was like looking at the clock without even meaning to. And every time it'd be like 8:50, 950, 1050, because that was when I was ingrained to like switch to the next uh task or the next patient in the outpatient care. And then slowly that wore off. But I remember looking and just thinking, well, and for me too, just physically, my eyeballs. Like I had never had an experience that my eyes were such a critical piece of what I did. And I had like my first ocular migraine and had to learn about eye health and like, you know, every set some boundaries for myself of every 20 minutes, take a break and look at something 20 feet away for 20 seconds and like try to keep on eye, no pun intended, on my eye help. So, and like talk to my optometrist. Like, there's things that you can't prepare for, but until you try it out. But that for one, I think is just you're not in person, you're not getting any energy from any other humans. So if you are energized whatsoever by your interactions with people in person, that element gets taken away. And you have to make sure you can sustain your own energy level of of just connection with what you're doing. And so I think that like for me, you know, it was very clear in my patient care life what my mission was and where I felt value and why I did it. I wanted to be a helper. I could see in real time my connection with my patient, even if they weren't making, like, even if it was a bad, not bad, but even if it was a session where maybe not much much progress were made or it was made or the outcome wasn't what I wanted, I still had that connection with the person, that relational aspect, and that kept me going. And so this, it was much different. And I had to then make sure, and this is what I would recommend is just looking at doing that self-aware assessment, what is inspiring to you, what gives you purpose, what is fulfilling to you at work, and make sure you can find a path at your new place in some way, shape, or form to be that that path of purpose and that path of fulfillment without the actual human there with you, without the human in person. You still will have meetings all the time in this remote world and you'll be with your customers and but it it is different. It's a different level of energy, I think.

Emma Brady:

And speaking of humans being with you, this is another FAQ or sentiment I get a lot. So I was hoping one or both of you could address this, where I get a message along the lines of, hey, I'm about to have a baby. I want a remote job so that I can be home and care for my kid all day. How what do you think about that? And is that a realistic plan when you're working from home? No.

Emily Kelly:

I'm gonna do a resounding no. No, no.

SPEAKER_03:

Not at not at any in my experience, at least. And I don't I can't imagine a job. Could you, Emily, where where that would be possible?

Emily Kelly:

No, no. I mean, definitely not at a health tech startup because your energy and work is required. It's not like um, it's just not a job where you can like check in every so often or something. Yeah, like wiggle your mouth and then be along with your day. It's not like that. I also personally just get so engrossed in what I'm doing. I I would not be a safe caretaker of children if I was working, also. And there's probably also HR rules around that at most companies or maybe laws, I'm not sure. But I was actually thinking about this and I I think I I work more than I did in the clinic. I don't have my commute, which is nice, but I don't work less either. That's another misconception. And I I do things that energize me more, which makes such a difference, but I don't I don't work less.

Emma Brady:

Yeah, I I can certainly speak to that. I got a message. I wish it I had gotten it before we did the LinkedIn episode, but I will say one line from the message was, I just want a job where I can make more money and work less. And I thought, don't we all? But it's regardless of the salary and all of that, at least from our experience in health tech, you work more, perhaps a lot more, particularly if you're a therapist. Not always, but most likely you're probably gonna fall into a category where you're looking to get a non-traditional role and you're going to naturally want to take on more responsibility and do more projects and grow. Usually the reason you're doing this is you feel like, well, I've hit a limit and I can't grow. So if you find a new job and you're growing, you're gonna have more work. So there are weeks where I work, I don't want to say how many hours, but a lot and certainly more than I did at the hospital. Because the hospital, I clock out at 3:30 and I didn't have access to the EMR. So that was it. 3 30, I was done.

Emily Kelly:

Yeah. There's those times where it's like all hands on deck.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And I think you go first.

Emily Kelly:

Oh, go ahead.

Emma Brady:

I was gonna say, sorry, we have a lot to say on this. We have a lot to say on this. Emily, please go.

Emily Kelly:

Please go, Emily. I'm gonna go. Go. I just want to add a little caveat based on my friend that I was with this weekend. She does have that desire to work the same, work less, get paid the same, or maybe more. And there might be paths to that, but it's probably not health tech. And what she's doing, which I think is very wise, is switching patient care settings. So she's going to a different setting where she can build her own schedule. Maybe she'll open up her own practice someday. But yeah, that's just not typically what you're gonna get if you go into health tech. Casey, I want to hear what you have to say though, too.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah, I was just thinking, like, I don't know every job that exists. We don't know, but in our experience, it definitely does not equate to less. But I was I was thinking it's more about choosing like both things are hard, right? Like being a clinician, although now being a clinician is easier, guys. There's magical, there's magical things that can help you not take your work home, which is key. But anyways, a lot of people who are clinicians, I feel like, or at least I I can speak for myself, was like, I couldn't, I my my issues were because the system, either I wasn't able to make the difference I wanted to make with my patients because of limitations in my resources or time or teamwork or capacity for carryover from various various reasons, like from the family or from the nursing or from like just how everything was built. It was like it was it was I was not reaching those goals. And also I I was limited by like my own capacity for it wasn't sustainable. So that the amount I was working for what I was getting out of it was something that was burning me out. So whatever is causing your burnout, you kind of have to look and see what is the root of that. Is it a system in which I can change that by changing settings, perhaps? Or is it a system where I have grown and changed and this no longer fits me? So now I need to choose a different hard. Like there are everything is gonna job is a job. Like it's gonna have hard parts and challenges, but you gotta choose the challenges that speak to you and inspire you to overcome them. And and that's where you can make the right choice. And maybe, you know, earlier we talked about like planning and research. Maybe, maybe your first step, you don't have it all planned out and figured out. And maybe you you're just the type of person who wants to take action and find something that's different and a non-clinical route, and that's okay too. Like my first step was utilization review. I knew that was not gonna be my happy place forever, but it taught me so much, and I just needed to take action because I I needed to do that learning. And so even if you can't sign up for things or try things out in your spare time that you don't have, like, you know, I get that. You can you can try a new job and give it your all and give it your go and know, like, okay, maybe this will be for three to five, like, like this will be my next three years. If even if you want it less than that, that's fine. Like, but it's just that's what I had in my head when I switched jobs. I was like, I'm gonna give this a couple years. So I think it's choosing, it's choosing your hard being aware of the fact that it's still a job. There's no magical job where you don't have, you know, things you're responsible for and that isn't gonna be work. That's that's the nature of work.

Emma Brady:

Speaking of something to clarify is a lot of what we're talking is gonna be in role specific. So, me talking about working really long hours, that's usually tied to when it's the end of the quarter or the end of the year and I'm in sales. And if I want to be successful and go above and beyond, that's on me. It's kind of like being a real estate agent. You can sell as many houses as you want. And so I choose to sell a lot of houses. So that's my choice, and I really value that greatly. Because then on the flip side, if I work a really late night, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, or whatever, I can block my day, Friday. No one's gonna say anything because I put the hours in that I need to, and I'm hitting the goals and the metrics that I'm supposed to be doing. So I really appreciate not having it be an active Congress if I need to go to the dentist or take my dog to the vet or leave half a day early. Yet I'm accountable and I update my calendar. It's just so much more flexible than it was in patient care. And that to me is well worth the trade-off where I have control of my schedule, control of what I'm doing. And again, as long as I'm being successful and meeting my metrics and doing what I'm supposed to, the micromanaging of oh my God, like the clocking in at 7.15, and if it's 7.16 and all of that, the no time cards and all of that, oh my goodness, that was such an unnecessary mental load for a salaried rehab job.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And I think it swishes more, at least in the health tech world, from productivity to like efficiency. So, like in in the clinical, you're you're just how much can you produce, produce, produce, produce? Whereas in the business world, it's more like what value can I bring? What decisions can I make? What judgment calls do I have? What skill sets can I bring efficiently to bring value? And can I do that in the in the fastest, most quick-paced way that still is like an impact? So you do have the stress of, hey, like, you know, when you're one-on-one with a patient, that patient knows you at a business. You may not know who, like, I mean, yes, we are lucky enough to know our founders, but like if you're out at a some other business, you don't know the founders personally or the or the executive team personally, but you need to be able to communicate your value so that they look and see your contributions and they can see all of that at a glance. So that's stressful in some ways, but it's also stressful to be one-on-one and a person at their hardest part of life and them wanting you to make them better and like you don't know if you're gonna get the outcome, and it's that's stressful as a clinician. So it's like it's you just pick and choose those stressors that align with your nervous system because that is what is gonna sustain you, is like what aligns with what stress I want to bring into my life. And to me, it's a no-brainer. Like, I I at this point in my life, this job doesn't even seem stressful. Like talking to, I mean, it has stress, but compared to some of the situations I was in prior, and then the capacity I had for that at this time, I'm like, yeah, I'll make you a diagram of all the things. I'll learn to pivot table and show you the things and I'll figure out data and research and whatever to show and I'll figure out how to video edit. Like it's it's all like a challenge that I am energized by. And the stress is more of a let me see if I can get over this and then look what I accomplished kind of thing. So if you still get that from your patients, then that's a symbol that you want to pick pick something that's similarly aligned, you know, really critical, really critical things that are still that human connection. So health technology may not be the path for you, kind of thing. Yeah.

Emily Kelly:

I want to yes and yeah. I want a yes and both you and Emma on also like the role specificity of it because in sales, it might be all about or mostly about like your productivity. Did you get your sales for the week or the quota or whatever? But there might be other roles where you do have to have available hours like support. It's there's no like, oh, you answered your your quota, you're off for the day. No, we have to have, you know, we have to be available still. Yeah. Yeah, we have to be covered. So I think it's important just to know that about yourself. And then if what you want isn't matching what that is expected of that role, don't don't try to like fit a what do they say, square peg into a round hole. Um just yeah, know back to self awareness, know thyself.

Emma Brady:

And a calling out we're we're gearing this a lot towards health tech. If you go back and look at the T. BCT group or the Beyond These Clinic Walls podcast, there's a lot of content for people who haven't gone into health tech, people who have done writing, financial services. There's someone in the group who opened up a bakery or people who have written books. So you really can, if you're not looking for a like a different kind of grind than what you're in now, that would could be another option to look at. And that's what the group is for. So message and say, hey, here's what I'm looking for. Does anyone know a role or in a role that fits these characteristics and things I'm desiring professionally and personally? There's a whole community of people that will try and help you with that. So, anyways, so moving on a little bit and shifting things, I guess, is there anything about like the culture of patient care compared to the culture? We'll speak to our experience of a startup and how that surprised you. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

For me, it would be like the teamwork was so different. It was so like teamwork in the clinic was not nearly as like immediate for me. It was more we would all consult about the progress, see what areas we could each contribute to to progress through the different disciplines and working with nursing and working with um uh multidisciplinary teams was great. But in the startup world, it was so fast-paced and immediate, and everyone was wearing so many hats, especially at the beginning, that that made it like literally, I felt like I was on like a sports team that was like trying to carry something across the finish line. And it was like a a relay race and a football game and a like all of it all combined, you know? And that was so fun. I felt like that was just energizing in itself. And but guess what? That also made it so that someone was always depending on you to get something else done. So, like, you talk about working late or working long hours, that would be the reason at the beginning, because I'm like, if I don't get this done, like I'm letting my team down. And then that would also make the payoff like so fun and celebratory at the end. But I think the startup, just that aspect of teamwork, I did not anticipate. I was so naive to what that actually would mean compared to when you're just doing your speech therapy session and then you go have your notes and your little meeting with your with your peers compared to um startup land. So I was surprised and also in really enjoyed that piece.

Emily Kelly:

Yeah. I'm an extrovert. I love I get energy from other people. So I loved, like in the clinical setting, mentoring and collaborating with others. But even though, kind of like what you're saying, Casey, even though you're with people in person, that you are kind of on your own separate islands, and then you can collaborate a little bit, like once a week or something on a patient or at lunch. But in this setting, everyone's on Slack all the time. And so I feel like I'm in a room full of people. Um and yeah, it's it's highly collaborative, which I love that part. I'm curious what you have to say on that, Emma.

Emma Brady:

I was thinking about this earlier, and it it was a huge culture shock in a good way. Because before this, I was in the ICU at a massive hospital system with tens of thousands of employees. And then I went to a company with 10 employees. And to sum up the main reason why I left the hospital was it was it wasn't an exactly a culture fit with what I wanted to do with all I've mentioned this in another episode of all the extra projects I wanted to do and kind of being forward-thinking, where the hospital, it's kind of in a situation where, hey, there's a policy in place. We have to follow the policy, we would have to ask 200 million people and take two years to change the policy. You know, again, it was a it was a positive relationship, but it was a reality that no one could change. You know, my boss would always say, Emma, it takes a long time to turn a big ship. You know, so that in a good way, the startup world was just so much better of a culture fit for me professionally and what I wanted to do because it doesn't take a while to turn the ship. You know, we have a we talk about two-way doors at our company all the time. Is this change a one-way door? We can never change it back, or is it a two-way door? And if it's a two-way door, it's can pretty much do it within reason, especially at the beginning. So I loved that. That's what I was looking for, and I'm so grateful I found it. On the flip side, there are some people who that's not the best fit for. Where we we we have had some transitioners come in and they are so used to having a really clear cut of here's what's gonna happen today. I might have a patient cancel. Other than that, I know exactly what my day is gonna be. Where sometimes people living in the ambiguity, it's really hard for them. That's something to consider as you're thinking about what you want to do, or if maybe you have gone non-traditional and it's not feeling right, that could be something to think about and maybe seeing what other roles are out there if you're looking for more of a consistent experience day to day.

Emily Kelly:

That's a great way to put that. It's like stable versus unstable. Like some people really love that stability. It's not as hard to change an environment like that. Whereas like startup, easier to change, but you have to adapt to change than on the other side of that. It's a really good point.

SPEAKER_03:

How have you found like leading in a non-clinical setting different from being in the clinical world? Because I think that's something that you can't really get experience with until you go and do it too. Even because leading clinicians is quite different, I think, than leading in a business world. You want to take that, Em? Sure.

Emily Kelly:

I think, yeah, leading in the clinical sense, again, I think it goes back to that stability concept that Emma brought up. It's most of the time a much more stable environment. You also have like a potentially a lot of people under you. In health tech world, you may not have as much people under you, but you're leading people through a lot of ambiguity. And so you have to maintain some sort of stable base for people while you're going through a lot of change at times. But I'm curious what you have to say and what your thoughts are on this, Emma.

Emma Brady:

Sort of back to what I was talking about a little bit earlier about the culture fit. I really wanted to be a leader in my department at the hospital. I applied and I did all sorts of extra projects and I just wasn't a fit. I really scared them. I had ideas. I think what they were looking for, which I completely understand and respect, was someone who was just going to implement policies without question. And that just is not my personality. I want it to be a collaborative effort and not just have someone who I see, you know, once every six months that we have this policy that we have to change just for the sake of it. And so, you know, it's back to the time thing. There's just something about therapists where I think if you mess with their PTO or their time, it really can irk. Like, for example, trying to think of the most basically there was a 15-minute issue with my schedule that made a massive difference to me with my carpool situation where I, if I just said, if I just take, you know, a half hour lunch, I take my 15 at the end of the break, I had been doing it for five years. Another one of my coworkers had been doing it for 30 years. And then, you know, there was some policy about, you know, you can't take the 15 minute and it was a whole thing, and my whole schedule was changed. And I'm not saying that's why I left that. Just I'm just using this as an example where if I was a leader, I would have a really hard time with someone who's been there for 30 years. Yes, doing an incredible job. I don't want to give away too many things, but they're a really great employee. Them leaving 15 minutes early doesn't change anything at all. They do the work of three people every day. That would be something I just wasn't a candidate for. And I'm really glad they knew that. Because at the time, I was like, oh, I'm doing all this stuff. I have such great relationships. I think I could bring a lot of change to this department. It would have been horrible if they hired me when they weren't looking for change at all. Yeah. And what a perspective you have on it now, you know. Were it impromptu? We're looking for change. We're looking to have conversations. They want to hear if there's a policy or a workflow that's, hey, this is really tedious. Can we take a couple steps out of it? Or I really think we need this software. I want to hire for this role, want to get this resource, I want to take this training. And is everything I say happen? No. But it's way more of a collaborative effort where I feel like my and not just me, any leader at prompt, or even not the leaders. It's just much more of a collaborative of if this doesn't make sense, let's change it, not let's just keep it the same for the sake of it. I feel like I just did a lot of talking, but you kind of got me going on that. No, that's what I wanted to hear. And I'm so grateful to be at a company where they really value promoting from within when possible and developing their people. Cause I think that's really important, what I was looking for before I left the hospital.

SPEAKER_03:

And again, we have a mission that is easy to get people to get behind and connect to. So again, it comes back to like what is the mission of where you're joining? If you were a leader at a company where the mission did not align with purpose for you, that would be really hard to inspire and motivate a team of people to get behind that mission. So picking something that is meaningful, I think, and significant for you if you plan on being a leader is hugely important.

Emma Brady:

Well, any last thoughts or anything you wanted to say that you didn't get a chance to on if the grass is greener or not? I guess you just don't know till you try, right?

SPEAKER_03:

So I would say do your research, like Emily said, and and try things out if possible. And if not, then take a leap and learn. Leap and learn, or if you have time, try things out. That'd be my last words. What about you, Emily? Yeah.

Emily Kelly:

Try try if you have time. I did my little tries and like sprints. Um, and then I had to take a break sometimes because I can't be burning the candle at all ends all the time.

Emma Brady:

And those listening to this podcast, if you're a therapist, you are in such an incredible position to try something. I know there are personal and financial factors most people have to consider, but from a pure career standpoint, you have a job that is never going to go away. And every day, that P T O T speech, Cairo, that license gets more and more valuable because our services are needed more and more. You have so much leverage power than you have ever had. So, step one is if you're not sure, try other settings. Reach out to us. Just, you know, we just helped a TCT member who wasn't sure. Find a new job at a different clinic that's an awesome fit instead of going non-traditional. We can help you with that. We've also seen people try and say, you know what, this isn't for me. They get a new job at a clinic in two seconds, which we can also help you with. So the point I'm trying to make is sometimes it can feel nerve-wracking because health tech or wherever you're going might not be as stable. Okay, try it out and you can go back to the clinic and you would be greeted like you just want an Oscar. People want you. And if you switch to health tech and you're talking to people all the time, they'll ask you to come back to the clinic. So, anyways, what you have, what you're doing is valuable. It would be great if you could find satisfaction in doing that, either in a new setting or taking on extra projects or whatever it is. But if you don't, we're here for you. We hope this is helpful and let us know what you think. And we'll see you next time. Yay. Bye. Yay, bye all. Like us.