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Rambling vs. Lurking: Join the Ride

• Janus Motorcycles • Season 1 • Episode 107

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Ever feel the tug between watching quietly and jumping into the conversation? We lean into that tension from a snow-heavy night at Janus HQ, blending the joy of motorcycles with the craft of community. We start with a rider roll call, then build a Griffin 250 scrambler live, debating black-on-black stealth versus bold pinstripes, while unpacking how classic scrambler choices like knobby tires, wide bars, and a high pipe reflect the rides you actually want to take.

Then we take a thoughtful detour into lurking: why people hold back online, how anonymity can be wise, and where participation turns a screen into a social space. Forums, live chat, and long miles share a common thread: connection with stories from rallies and first-time commenters who finally step out of the shadows. We also share an update on a half-off base price giveaway designed to grow our rider network, plus a feature on a Duluth Pack waxed bison leather notebook cover that patinates like a tank with stories, turning routes and maintenance notes into keepsakes.

Along the way, we read Yeats’s The Second Coming and let the lines spark reflection about conviction, chaos, and the quiet courage it takes to show up, on the road and in the chat. Whether you’re tuning in for the Griffin 250 configurator tips, the scrambler-versus-dual-sport comparison, or the community ethos behind small-batch American motorcycles, you’ll find a warm seat at the table. If you’re a longtime lurker, consider this your nudge: say hello, save a build, and ride along with us.

If this resonated, subscribe, share with a rider friend, and leave a review. Join us live every Monday at 7 p.m. on YouTube, and tell us, what finally pulls you out of lurk mode?

From Livestream #107 - Streamed on 12/01/25

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Hello everyone. Welcome to the Ramble Stream Podcast. I'm Richard. And I'm Jansen. Each week we sit down for rambling conversations about motorcycles, the experience of riding, design, and whatever else catches our fancy. Bring a beverage of your choice or stories, and we'll see where this takes us. If you're interested in thoughtful conversations, friendly and informative banter with fellow riders, and the latest dispatches from Janus Motorcycles headquarters, you're in the right place. Let's get started. Hello. Good evening. Good evening, Ramblers. We're here. Just had a we're we're ready to go. We had a riveting pre-ramble. Yeah, we did. Talking about insane people. Talking about insane people and the value of being insane. And the and the the bad things about being insane. Yeah, yeah. And the good things. Speaking from an insane asylum right at the store. I don't like to publicize that, but this is Richard's therapy. He's insane. Welcome to the madhouse. Yes, welcome to the madhouse. We're so glad you guys are here on episode 107 of the Ramble Stream. We're talking about lurking. So, not really, kind of. If you guys uh here's my challenge before we get into introductions, this is a perfect opportunity to uh to to leave a comment in the chat. If you are on Facebook, YouTube, Twitch, or Instagram. All the all four of them. You guys can leave a chat saying who you are, what you're sipping on, where you're from, and what do you ramble on? This is the perfect opportunity for you because you know, if you're not participating in life, are you really getting the fullest experience, Richard? I mean, no, you're not. Who are you? My name is Richard Wersham, and I am participating from the Ramble studio at uh Janus HQ in downtown Goshen, Indiana. Uh I um oh my title here is co-founder and uh head of design. He's CEO and uh uh you got another title in there for us. Uh was just Rambler in Chief. Okay, there's another one. That's a good one. Um I ramble with a 2009 KLR650 and a 2017 Halcyon 250 serial number 68. And this evening I am sipping on this lovely Heaven's Door straight bourbon whiskey cask strength from my dear friend Jason Utah. Knock's knocking. Uh my name is Jason. I'm also coming to you live from the Ramblestream studio here in Goshen. Uh my title is Content Boy. Um I'm sipping on some Heaven's Door, and I'm soon to be rambling on Phoenix 450 number who knows. And we are currently buried in snow. Yeah, we are. We got a lot of snow. We've got like a foot almost over the Thanksgiving weekend. Uh, what is your favorite uh uh Thanksgiving dish while I looked at my favorite Thanksgiving dish? My favorite Thanksgiving dish is not actually a Thanksgiving, I mean it happens on Thanksgiving. Blasphemy. It happens after Thanksgiving. It's okay. An 11 p.m. turkey sandwich. Okay. That that feels like it's in mind. I thought you were gonna say something crazy like Panda Express orange chicken or something like that. Uh a the the turkey sandwich late at night after you've kind of recovered a little bit. Uh-huh. Just to just to put you right back to sleep. You've already had your mid-nap, your mid-afternoon nap. Healthy dose of mayonnaise. Gross. The lucky number one. Who we got? This man commented at 1125 a.m. Okay. He was out for blood. Jason 412 says, Yay, I'm first, LOL. And then he follows up with uh hopefully it'll fall asleep before the show starts like it did last week. Caught the show 20 minutes after it was over. Jason, if you're here. Hello. Thanks for commenting so fast. If you're awake. If you're awake, this one's all you. Huntley Cycle Co. Second, been busy filming with my Griffin 250 number 19. Goal is to have two videos out this month on it. Fantastic. Awesome. That's a that's a nice little low number there on your Griffin. Nice. Yeah, that's a really low number. Kelly, what's up? Holy crap, I went back and saw the video from the rally. It pops out at 34 38 minute 34 38 minutes into the video, just to the left of Jansen, right ear. Don't didn't notice it before. Booyah. That what was what is he talking about? I'm so glad that we have chances to improve our abilities to do things because that stream was arguably the second worst stream I've ever produced. The um the live one? The live one. Oh well. I think we've done some worse. I think we've done some worst ones in here. Half of our audience was already there, so you know. It isn't this, but glad to see you here, Kelly. We've got uh Uncle Voodoo timing in from Bunavista, Virginia. That's the correct pronunciation, by the way, folks. Uh, drinking mocha pot cappuccino. Very nice. Very nice. Um, you know, I I I would be drinking mocha pot cappuccino uh espresso or whatever, mocha, but um, I put my mocha pot on the stove about a week and a half ago, and I didn't put any water in it. And it proceeded to melt the um the rubber gasket, and so I'm in the process of uh using Gugon to get it all get it all cleaned out. Yeah, I love a mocha pot though. Also TVD number 465, Bimble. Mocha pot is a thing. Oh, you should bring your half-melted mocha pot. Well, well, I actually I really should because I've rebuilt that thing completely. That's because I melted the handle on a previous Avenger. That's a great thing. We've got Russell Peters in here. Uh Deadlift 450 number 86. He is settling in Owensboro, Owensboro, Kentucky. I'm in Stony Creek, Virginia working. My drink is water with Baja Gold Salt mixed in. Get your electrolytes in, Russell. Get your electrolytes in, man. SpeedRacer95, Maryland House Anti-Vity number 1209, Jeannie just got done watching our Christmas show. Eating peppermint, chocolate cookies, and chocolate cake and drinking ice cold milk. Tis the season, man. Gosh, I feel like you have a delectable delight every time, uh, every time you tune in, Speed Racer. Do you know? Did you know milk does a body good? Sure, sure did, and Speed Racer. That's news to me. Uh, Texas Rebel Tracy, we saw you in the pre-ramble. What's up? How you doing? Drinking some Dr. Pepper Zero, healing nicely, and finally able to ride and wrench again. That's great. That is awesome to hear. We've got Confendique here under a different name. He's also in Twitch. He likes to comment and both and then confuse me when he asks questions. Who else is in here? We've got Chris, we've got Gary's in here. Sirius Blatt. Charles is up above that. Okay, Sirius Blatt. We've got him in here. Coming in from the UK, currently without a bike for the first time. So you got you had a couple of interesting um bikes recently, but nothing right now. You must go through them pretty quick. Currently without a bike for the first time in 30 years due to the arrival of Chapman's four-wheeled motorbike. Huh. A cataram. You got one? Huh. Oh my goodness. Should I do you know what a cataram is? No. Do you want to fill this? Or Catarham? I don't even know how you pronounce it. Uh Catter Catarham is um it's like the minimalist version of a Morgan. So it's basically a LODA, a LOTA 7 open-wheeled road car. Ooh. They're incredible. We've been looking a lot at their um their website and their configurator. Nice. In the process, I've been drooling over which one I would want to get. Um fantastic. That's awesome. Congratulations. We got Burt Beaver here. That's a four-wheeled motorcycle right there. That's a confusing sentence, but I would find asking questions. No lurker here. Uh JM612 in Minnesota Cupwater. White Russian. Ooh, White Russian. Daddy. Got uh the Felix Brothers here. Nice. I haven't seen them on in a while. I haven't either. Good to see you guys. Good to see you guys. Our Fred Yank again through Twitch this time. We've got Len here. Man, a lot of a lot of uh familiar names popping in. So good to see you guys. Uh got 62 people watching right now. Yes, great. Uh Dick Digman. Dick Digman. I don't recognize that name, do you? Nope. Hello from Madison, Wisconsin, rambling on an 81 Moto Goosey Convert, an 89 Moto Goosey LaMau, and a 78 Honda Goldwing. Very nice. Welcome to the Ramble Stream. Welcome to the Ramble stream. Okay. Bird says, third week in a row of Heaven's Door. It's the best one we have. Co-creator Bob Dylan. Knock, knock, knocking. On Heaven's Door. Huh. Huh. You know, that makes sense, I guess. Got Bruce Burger here. Berger, burger. Let's say burger. From Tekka Chapi. Tahachapi. Tahachapi, California. Uh let's go ahead. Sipping on Jojo's chocolate vanilla cream steak. Holy moly. Cellar temperature. So it's a warm, warm steak. Latest bike is a I guess a Moto Goosis, folks, in the house. Mondela S. Anxiously waiting for my house here on 450. Very nice. What number? What number are you? Curious. I want to go take a little peaky if it's uh on the build stand or if it's out. Hey, Burton. Plus one for Driftless Minnesota. Nice. Driftless, Driftless Minnesota. We got a lot of comments. A lot of comments. Hey, nope. We're not lurking, you know? No, nobody's lurking. We're not lurking. We've got okay. Nick. Nick Gillespie, I've got beef with you. Um you don't know who I am, I don't think, unless you've been here before. I'm I don't remember you commenting on um on the ramble stream. Uh I hope that your family buys every single Janice thing that you've tagged them on. He he has gone through this. And tagged his entire family. She said that this guy needs some Janus gifts. This guy not only needs them, but wants them beyond all desire. And like I I love that for you. I don't know if beef was the right word, but no beef. Just know your name pops up probably once a day on my phone. We've got Charles here. Greetings from San Francisco, Griffin 250, number 124, Aurelius, Australia Bourbon this evening. All right. Waiting on some some uh fuel fueling components. Like several, like many people right now. We have we have found some good uh alternate sources, and we're bringing those in as quickly as we can. Yeah, is that is that the update? That is the update. Yep, yep. Um, we've had to go through some testing with them, and now we are we have some alternate alternate sources, so we're the production crew is very excited about that. Yeah, contrary to popular belief, we can't just build these in our garage. We cannot. We there are there are regulations that are required and testing. It's crazy. Okay, we we are on a roll. We're on it, we're on it. We're feeling good, Nick. I am uh glad to see you here again with your sunglasses. That's cool, cool little cool little thing. All right, up next. The poem. So this one we had to go back into the archives. I can't believe we haven't already done, or I haven't already done this one. And if I have, it is before Jansen's time, before the time of recorded history.

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It's not this.

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So we don't have a record of it. Uh so um besides it's worth reading um at least once a year. At least. Once a year. Um this is uh from um uh William Butler Yates, and it is one of his famous famous poems, uh, and it's a lovely one. This is called The Second Coming. And I told Jansen he might recognize some of the lines from it because it's basically become part of the it's like Shakespeare's become part of the English language. BJT before Jansen talks. Yeah, there we go. All right. The second coming by Gates. Turning and turning in the widening gyre. The falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart, but the sinner cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned. The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of a passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand. Surely the second coming is at hand. The second coming hardly are those words out when a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi troubles my sight. Somewhere, in the sands of the desert, a shape with lion body and the head of a man, a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, is moving its slow thighs, while all about it real shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again. But now I know that twenty centuries of stone sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle. And what rough beast its hour come round at last slouches toward Bethlehem to be born. That's pretty solid. I mean that might be the most it's not my favorite. But but it is good. It is good. We'll start off the advent season in a in fine form here. That's uh no, I I uh again, I say it every week, but slowly just starting to really appreciate poetry. Uh, thanks to Richard and the stream. Now, we're gonna do it again, Richard. So what are the parameters here? I don't know. What don't we um we're gonna we're still gonna do Alice yet? No, I think we're gonna switch it up. Gary says, Richard, I think you should have the poem that you're going to read in the ramble stream description each week. I think that's a really good idea. That's a really good idea. I think it's a great idea, actually. So if anybody wants to follow along or read it ahead of time, yeah. Oh, new member! New member. New member! Wait, I feel like I gotta have an alert on my phone for the lights to go. You need a little sip of this. You know, since okay, for those of you who who don't know about this here crown, uh, Mad Jack. He uh You can drink some of the bottle, right? Yeah, he brought it uh for us to enjoy. So it Mad Jack, thank you so much for becoming a member. Chocolate. Chocolate. This is in honor of you. Honey Jack. Hey people. There we go. New member. I we cannot do that for every new member. I could see the request coming in the future. I could I could just see it. Y'all need some Streamlabs uh only when they send us a bottle of uh fair like a yeah, y'all y'all need to send some Streamlabs effects for new members, super chats, etc. That is uh Aylesberg, that is being worked on as we speak in the room. It is great. Um I have a I'm just I'm ready to pull the trigger and go live with it. I'm just really nervous and I need to do a test stream first. So um I'm not promising anything, but hopefully soon. Okay. Do a Griffin 250. All right, done. We will do a Griffin 250. Man, what a nice so easy to navigate. It is a pretty nice configurator, I have to say. We want to do a Griffin 250 or four. We're doing okay. And then I saw maze already. So that's what we're gonna do. We're already in luck here, right? Like, well, that's that's cool that it was the default. Is that what I saw? I saw that as the first color. Yep. Okay. Magic should pick the color to start build off. You know, that's a good idea. No, Mag, what what do you want? What do you want for the color? I I feel like that's a good idea. We'll we'll do maze unless we hear from you otherwise. Yeah, Mark, Mark and uh Tracy want want maze. Um the Griffin 250 was the last of the 250 models to be launched. Um 20, I want to say 2017 or 18. Okay. Uh probably 2017. Um, although I could be wrong on that. We've got a lot, a lot of notes for maze here. And that was our first um foray into scramblers. So this the the the Griffin is especially the 250, is a classic scrambler in the sense that it is not a dedicated dirt bike by any stretch of the imagination. This is a a bike that's been basically it's a stock road bike that has been upgraded with knobby tires, much greater fender clearance, and a high exhaust pipe. Those are like, and then oh, and then wide bars. Yeah. And that's like if you go back to the earliest scramblers in the 19, I mean, depends on where you want to call scramblers beginning, but even into the 1940s, um, they really had their heyday in the 50s before the advent of the dirt bike. Um, but this is uh the Janice, this is our first foray into that. Yeah, the new the Griffin 450 takes that and really moves it into the land of um more of the uh dual sport and motorcycle. But um we'll always have a soft spot in our heart for the Griffin. Yeah. Uh Matt Jackson says black on black. Black on black. Okay. So I think we should do it. Let's let's let's do it. Let's do it. Sorry, maze people. We're gonna do black on black here real quick. You're not gonna see any contrast, but um, you know. You never know. We do we do get a lot of black on black bikes, I have to say. Almost every month I see one black on black bike. I think it's stupid sharp. What if we do is this the flat? Do flat black with the black pinstripe. Yeah, what do we want for I think this deserves a secondary pin? Yeah. So you can see it. So you can see it. Um man, you can really do it with anything with black. And because of y'all's support, we can see we can see the colors. The colors. Uh we can even see a screen that we can see. The the pinstripe there. Umthough it is very dark. It is it is dark, uh, but we can see it. What what's a good secondary here? Uh how about black feather while we're on this? I don't think we can do on the configurator black. We have done black on black feather logos, but it just looks like black. It's just all all dark. Uh the configurator is only set up to do the metallics. A cardinal red pinstripe. Let's do that. That's actually kind of cool. Let's do that. Let's do that. The Darth Vader Phoenix we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it kind of overwhelms the black. It really does, but it's okay. Looks pretty sharp. Okay. Now we scroll down here. We're gonna kind of pick this up a little bit. We should generally if you haven't, folks, while Janssen's doing this. Um I know most of you all probably have built a bike and maybe are riding it now on the configurator. Um, but if you haven't, I mean even if you have, it's it's really fun to go through here and build a bike. I I mean when I as a as a kid, I would do uh when the the first advent of the internet car you know exotic car brands started to have these these configurators and they would take like 10 minutes to load on your dial up connection. But in there and just kind of fly around. I did that a lot on T VR. Yeah. We uh well actually this is a step into winning 50% off. Actually, it is. Uh it's a great emotional here. Um, so there are a couple requirements uh that you guys have to do, and I I'm I think I know them off the top of my head, but I don't I don't want to steer y'all in the right direction. Uh correct. I want to steer you guys in the correct direction here. Um so what you have to do to enter to Winford, this is 50% off your total bike order. Um, so if you're spending fifteen thousand dollars, not getting half, 7,500 bucks, correct? That's right. Okay, so this is how you enter. There's a pinned post on Janice's Instagram page. I think it actually I think it is off the base price. Off the base price. Okay. Either way, yeah, killer deal. Um, you have to follow us. This is an Instagram only uh uh giveaway. You have to follow us on Instagram, you have to like the post, and then you have to save your custom build by using our configurator. Uh so that just makes sure sure that we have your information. Um, you guys will have a chance to win 50% off. And this is going until the end of the month of December, correct? I believe so. Uh let me I had the post. I think it's either that or it's we reach a certain number of um of uh subscribers. Well, according to this post here, there are only 70 people who have entered to win. So that is a really, really good opportunity for anyone who's looking to build a Janice um that's ready to pull the trigger. You have the uh the the ability to get half half off the base price, which is crazy. I already Elsberg, if I already uh if I already ordered my bike, can I enter and get the half position? No, not fortunately not. You're entering into the the luck of the draw. The the luck of the builds live a little bit, risk it. You don't have there's no risk though, actually, at all. You just have to play in the configurator and save a build. Our goal with this is to grow our um social media and email list following, yeah, which is a one key way we can improve our um our sales overall. This is a way that you can actually really materially help us. Um we're really focusing a lot on organic content um and as opposed to like a lot of paid ads you don't want to see. Right, right. Your bike should come standard with two mirrors. Radial tires would be nice too. Uh Garmin Gate Gaiman G-A-M-I-N now has a really neat radar system. I'm assuming Garmin. It costs 500 bucks, easy to install. Mike radar. Radar. Just you, you know, you never know, and you're gonna need to catch some planes just flying by. What about the folks that don't have don't do Instagram? Um I got all the details on this. Denise, uh, as far as I'm concerned, it's only Instagram. I think it's um or is it Facebook as well? I think it's Facebook as well. Instagram and do what do you want me to read the whole? Yeah, yeah, read the whole blur. I mean, this is this really how many people you said are actually. Uh well on Instagram, 70. If if you guys, uh while Richard is reading this, uh, what options should I don't know what options to put on this thing. Keep going. Um, one lucky rider is going to start their new year with a new motorcycle build half off. That's right, half off your dream halcyon or Griffin 250. These are 250s base price. Here's how to enter. Like the post on Facebook or Instagram, follow Janus Motorcycles. This is on a Facebook. Follow Janus Motorcycles and save a custom build before 1231.25 using your our configurator link. Bonus entries to win up to 10 entries total. Share this post for an extra entry. Comment on this post below and tell us where you're riding. Tag a buddy, up to three tags equals three ex entries, and head over to Instagram page to enter again. I'm looking at you, Nick Gillespie. One winner channel chosen at random will receive 50% off the base price. Um this prize is a maximum promotional value of$3,747. That's half off the base model. Um and there's a lot of fun print. It's just we have to do. We so we should announce the winner on the stream. Oh, we would definitely on the ramble. Absolutely. We definitely should. Yeah. Absolutely. That would be really fun. Uh so yeah, that those are the information for the the half-off. Um, that's a that's an incredible deal. If you want more, you definitely go check out either Facebook or Instagram and you can get more details. Yeah, so there's our salesy pitch. There it is. It's done. Cargo rack. I feel like on the Griffin, if you want to go camping, you have to have a cargo rack. Um, that's what I would buy a Griffin for. I don't know, but you have to. Always. All right. Warranty comes with two years. Yeah, but they're easy to work on enough. So so so when you when once you've built this out, you can save it. Yeah. So there's that save button. So you go up to the top left here, you hit save. And then you enter your details. Yep, you fill this out, you hit submit, and it's done. And you're done. And that's if you wanted to buy a motorcycle, that's the same way you do it. We can pull that up with your name, and we can know, even if you built more than one, we can track that. Yeah, it makes it really, really easy for for us to take a look at your information and and kind of uh pick the pick the one that you want, you know. Wait, what is Uncle Voodoo sending? I'm so curious. We've got Roy here. Somebody said they're working up the minerve to do a great escape jump. Oh, yeah. He's got to. So if we follow. Oh gosh. So if we follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow, follow. Do we get multiple entries? No, Tracy. I think they can track that. I don't know. You can get up to 10, and the rules are very specific. Uh Uncle Voodoo, I don't know what they're uh trying to get you to do, but you should do it. You can do a two by four pub like someone did. Dewajak has 13 inches of snow. Dewajak is not too far north of us. No, no, we're uh we're we're pretty close to that. Okay, this this is the build, I think. I think it is. This is uh again, uh we are we are using these as inventory bikes. Yep. So eventually uh this is gonna be built uh in real life, and I think there's a little word on the street uh that we might be doing something a little different for the inventory bikes that we build on the ramble stream. Um some little custom pieces here or there. Like a ramble stream fuel capital fuel cap. Or like a little Easter egg store. It won't be anything crazy. No, no, nothing wild. Just a little something. A little hat tip, if you will. Yeah, absolutely. Cool. Okay. Things of this world. Things of this world. Um, so the thing we're gonna we're in the spirit of the last day of the Black Friday sale, um, Cyber Monday. We're yeah, Cyber Monday. Um, we are um talking about some thing things that we sell. Um, and this was this is one that uh actually is a really cool thing. Capitalist America, am I right? Um this is uh a notebook cover that it just happens to fit my favorite all skin journal. Um how convenient. It also comes with one in it, but this is made by our dear friends up at Duluth Pack in Duluth, Minnesota, and it's made of waxed bison leather. That's really cool. And it has uh some card slots in it. It's a nice soft cover, it's got that waxed finish. Um, and it has the Janice Motorcycles logo in it. I don't know if y'all can see that on the screen. Ah, barely. But it's the um uh script text Janice logo really beautifully embossed into this leather. Embossed, not debossed. Debossed. Um, but this is uh one of those kind of types of leather, I don't know all the technical terms, but it it has this amazing ability. You can scratch it with your thumbnail and then just rub it and it just goes away. It looks this beautiful finish on the back where it where it's folded. Um beautiful, beautiful leather. And if you all haven't heard my thoughts on notebooks, um you'll know that this is something that this is something that could live with you for many, many, many years as a protective cover for your notebook, which all ramblers I think should at least consider using a notebook on a regular basis. It'll patinate. It will pat it will thank you. It will patinate like perfectly. That's one of one of the reasons why I love leather is because it just ages so so well. It does. It ages beautifully. And and I, you know, I use um a moleskin um every single day, uh, mostly for work, but I also use one for regular regular planning. Yeah. Um, but whether you're journaling or using it as a notebook or a sketchbook or a watercolor book or whatever else. Well, Tracy says, uh, I love mine. I keep my owner's manual on the back and my log service repairs in it. Well, there you go. That's a great. I mean, that's a great and some people who are more organized than I have multiple notebooks that they work through. Now I just go through it chronologically, and when I'm done, I add it to the stack over there at the end of it. There are there's quite a few over there. Uh there are 14 there currently. That's many years of DNS motorcycles planning. Ideation MCNA. It's right there. If you want to get into Richard's insane brain. There we go. There's the insane. Um, anyway, these are available through our website. Um, I think there's a link going to be in the comments if there isn't already, or we can post it below the video. But um Yeah, there's gonna be a link in the comments. I I did post it up in the um notes right after the um but anyway, uh this is available for$45, made in America, beautiful bison leather um journal. And I thought this would be a great little uh thing to feature. We can all you can all have one of these. You can all purchase one while we're talking about it. You can purchase one. Or since we're gonna talk about lurking a little bit, uh participate. You can participate, uh, and we're gonna do a giveaway of of the cover uh and and the notebook inside. Uh we're gonna be doing a giveaway at the end of the notebook inside. They all come with one. Oh, that's great. Yeah, that's great. So it's not just the cover. Yep. Um so go ahead and look at it. Uh there's the the link there. But at the end, we're gonna be we're gonna be giving one of these away for free to a lucky, a lucky winner. But you have to participate in the chat. So I don't even remember how we got on this whole uh Lurkers gonna lurk. Lurkers are gonna lurk. Well, it started off with haters gonna hate. Haters Gonna Hate. That was when Yammy did his thing. And then just overall Facebook. Right. Facebook on this whole rally. I don't have the keyword yet. You can't enter the game yet. No, it all started with um we got a lot of time for this ramble. We better be on all cylinders here. With with Yami. And uh which as things do oftentimes, it's like kind of spiraled into this. Uh, how it's so interesting that uh people, I mean, there are are on average probably 65 to 70 people in the stream um that just don't comment, that don't acknowledge their own presence in in the chat. So, what do you think about that, uh Jansen? You know what I think about that. I oh I think it's so much like that's part of the experience in like this live chat. Uh, and I get everyone has their different propensities, right? But I think in order to get the most out of this like thing that we do on Monday nights, is to like comment and interact not just with us, but with the other people who are also commenting. Like, I think that's so fun that that in 2025 we can communicate with people across the world. It's it's crazy in one in one spot. Yeah, that's what I think. Do you do you think that there's uh any benefits to being a lurker though? Yes. So what would those be? But it's only like a partial lurker. So are you speaking with your your marketing stocking cap on? Are you speaking with your just like human engage engagement? Well, the well there's listen, there's I can I can never take that hat off, I don't think. So this this might be skewed, but uh I don't even I don't I don't think comments up the engag like the uh the ratings think they do. I mean maybe they do, right? Just but it's I think it's it's it's very marginal. It it's not it's not by a lot. Um one of the things that we always say at the beginning of the stream, and I think that that's kind of where some of this conversation uh of the idea of what a lurker is comes from, is that um you know we get to just talk. Oh, oh, hold on. Okay, well you can interrupt me. I am announcing my color name hand. Thank you. That made me so happy, actually. It's kind of crazy. We are so glad you're here in the rainbow stream, and I'm so glad that you made yourself how you doing. Um but uh there's there's a fine line between voyeurism and lurking. Voyeurism and lurking. What are either of those necessarily positive? I don't think I fully understand the definition of voyeurism. Voyeur. A voyeur is someone who just likes to watch other people. Okay. Like people watching you. You go to the 4-H fair and you sit on your little bench. But a voyeur comes along with more kind of there's another term called a a flaneur. Okay. And a flaneur is this whole like what was a like whole pursuit in like 19th century French. That would do people that would just like watch other people, yeah, on the promenade and like sort of like maybe make notes in their notebook. Baker's gonna bake. Yeah. So they they like they they receive the world. Yeah, and so and it's just sort of like they're they're they're just kind of existing to watch and comment on other people. Yeah, like Jeff Blind. Hey Jansen. I have a big hug for you next time I see you. You'll see me lurking. But but but uh but of but of Yur, it has a little bit more negative connotations, at least in my head right now. Like uh uh they're just kind of watching you, like like like a like a um like a peeping tom. Peeping tomb says somebody said that yeah, quite said it. Yeah, exactly. Uh that's the kind of at least the modern connotations. Okay. Um so to me, there is maybe there is a fine line between lurking and voyourism. And that's actually kind of in that's an interesting, we could talk quite a bit on that. Yeah, that this is where it gets complicated for me. When you're watching a lot dirtier than you think. So Jordan, just third just you're in it, man. That's two comments now. Uh yeah. The idea though that people need to participate, uh, I think is very, very true in real life. Yeah. But it gets very can we get very confused, and I think we get off the track when we start saying that you need to participate more in the virtual realm, which unfortunately, as much as the world of live streaming and the the actual community that we all actually we can we can confidently say that we're a part of. Yeah. Every week we have a ritual of talking with like our buddies on the rainbow stream, and we look forward to it. Uncle Vodus says it depends on if they have dance or nothing. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. What's under your uh trench coat? Yeah. Um, but but uh all pajar, you know, negatives aside, the the idea that yes, people are are participating less and less in the real world. And that's a big part of what we talked about with rambling, is that you need to put yourself out there in the world. Yeah, and and that's what we do when we ride a motorcycle. That's I would I I would even I would argue somebody up at the front door. I didn't lock it. Um, Jansen? I'll go check out that. Okay. Um that somebody's entering the asylum. Um but yeah, we we we we we we we we really do need to get out and and encounter the the world, and that's uh I would actually argue one of the core ideas behind why we actually enjoy motorcycling. But the the it's always it's hard to do that. You know, to get out and expose you know, uh put yourself out there into the real world, but online it actually is easy to be a lurker. And that's what we that's what you just kind of like you you the the the inner the online world is a world of voyeurism, yeah. It really is, and that's a good term, yeah, yeah. And maybe it may be flannerism as well, but it's that's kind of like the nature of the beast. Yeah, little you're sitting behind a screen or a phone, uh some sort of device, and you don't have to or you're playing a video game, you really have to participate in the real world. There aren't any real repercussions, yeah. Um and so I have a hard time saying that lurking online is a bad thing. Just like I have a really hard time saying that anonymity is a bad thing. Yeah. Which is why I think you'll all notice that we, you know, you typically when I when I enter when I say tell us who you are and where you where you're viewing from is or your handle. Yeah. Right. Because I don't have any problem with that. Yeah, if you just want to give your handle and you don't want to give your name, that's cool too. That's totally fine. Madjack asks, and I feel like this is important that we highlight this. Gotta go. Give me a bourbon order. Give me a bourbon order. Mad Jack is asking us to give him what kind of bourbon he wants? A bourbon order. And I am receiving that as you are gonna go pick up a bourbon for us. Is how I understood that. Well, Woodford's already Woodford's great man. I was gonna say Woodford is but it's you've already you've already graced us once. So but if you're not to be greedy. Um no, I I think you see what I'm saying though? I I I think in the real world, what we're really called to do is participate in the real world, uh-huh, not on the in the virtual room. Sorry, I got another one. I'm gonna interrupt you every time we get a first time Joe from Chicago, first time caller, long time lurker. Nice that's awesome. It is really cool though. So okay. We've talked about this dichotomy between engagement in the real world, which I think is really suffered, especially because since the internet age, I think we could, without crossing any political lines, say the COVID era, wrecked us, just destroyed our ability to get out there and engage with people. It also did a lot of good things in terms of it, it made us realize what we had missed and and and be maybe a little more hungry for real engagement. For some for some people. For some people, yeah, for sure. But if we take that a little bit further and dig in a little bit, there are really good things about how we can use live streaming in these online communities. And I would say that I am the beneficiary of many of those. Yeah. Um, particularly forums. Yeah. Uh gosh. Yeah. Forums with very particular interest because you can like yo-yoing. Like yo-yoing. Like, you know how we talk about what the what a rally, a motorcycle rally is an a moment where you can get together with other people who you share one interest with. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you end up making friends with people who you don't you you only have one point of interest together. But then the the beauty of the, and I've talked about this multiple times on the Ramble stream. The beauty of that is is that those are oftentimes the the best friendships you can have, and then they blossom into something far more because of common interest, right? Well, because of you're thrown in together because of one point, and you may have you may be completely different political views. Like go to a Janice rally, you have very diverse people. It's great. But we're all we're all freaking weird, I mean you meet people outside of your comfort zone. Yeah, yeah. That that you would yeah, I remember you talking about that, that you would never associate with outside of that moment or that. But but what it does is it shakes things up and you actually have the opportunity to make really great friends. Yeah, like like think about college. Yeah, you get a college, you have we often have like this using an example or summer camp or whatever you want to, you know, like one of these moments or a play. You're you're if you're in a if you're in a performance together with somebody, you're thrown in and you have an intense experience with other people, and then some of those times, many of those times, you end up having a close, close, like lifelong friendship that would not happen otherwise. Yeah. And so where I'm going with this is that the you know, given these, you know, the idea that online is is a remove. Yeah. And it inherently promotes a form of warriorism. Yeah, I'm I'll I'll agree right with the comments here. Except with pants, most of the fact hope. At least you know we do. Um but even within that, there is a world of of forums and of interests that draw us together and that I have personally benefited from in really meaningful ways. And I think that groups of people like we have right now on the Rambler stream, ramblers, there's really something worth having having there, and and that's that's going on. And and I and I don't even have a real answer for for all the lurkers because guess what? My family watches, my brothers watch, and Richard's family, we're all lurking. But they're getting a I I know they're getting a lot out of it, and um it it just I think that it's a different it's a different ecosystem we haven't really figured out yet. Right. But I I I have a really hard time saying that it's in that in order for this to succeed, you have to participate, you have to have a YouTube account and you have to sign in and you have to does that make sense? Yeah, like yeah, no, that that makes sense. I I just look at it from the positive side of it. Like, yes, I uh I think that there's this weird parasocial relationship that can happen if if used um like in in the internet context, anyway, uh that can be abused and used, right? And like the that voyeurism, uh, if we're gonna use that term on the internet is a lot more um uh uh if we're gonna use it in its negative sense, it's a lot more accepted. Absolutely. And uh I I don't think that's right. Uh, but I do I I have seen uh again kind of what you're talking to, um, the the benefits of like not lurking. Like I just the the first time I experienced something like that was uh just this like this this fall when we did the the owner's rally of like how there were I I don't know, I met like maybe a dozen of you guys, if not more. And it instantly was like, oh like Texas Rebel Tracy, like oh Tracy, like I I can now put a face to a name and I now know uh more about you and Willie Nelson than I ever want to know. And like it and and I met Wit and like I I I I just like I met so many people from the stream, it's like, oh my gosh, like we would never have this opportunity to like to to know one another if it wasn't for are you saying that you have to select your communities carefully? Uh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's what I'm saying, but I agree with that you have to to to pick your communities carefully. I mean if I'm following along with what you're saying and trying to kind of come up with a uh aphorism or a reality or a truth that we can work move ahead with based on that is is that if you do find something that is worthwhile, participating in it and not holding yourself back is is it it is a good thing and will r result in in more benefits to every to yourself and other people. Yeah. I saw uh I think it was Voodoo Uncle Voodoo. He said um I I walk in and I lurk first. Yeah. And then I jump in. Well, isn't that even the maybe the mark of an intelligent human being though, with anything? And you want to like check it out a little bit before you like commit? Yeah, I want to find the comment, but he said something about like I want to know the room, like I want to know who's here. I think that's very important. I I I think so too, and I and I really like that. I I like that thought um that that thought process. Yeah, because you don't really know, especially in this anonymous online world, what you're um what you're walking into. Right. Okay, here it is. Uh I tend to lurk for a bit. I like to gauge the room before I walk in. And I and I think that's super wise, right? Like to to know who's here or get a I try to get a good idea. Um, Mark, good good good evening. I almost said good morning, but it's not, it's the opposite of that. Hey Mark. Wait, Jansen's reading comments? Yeah, I'm watching, guys. I'm always watching. I might not highlight them, but I watch them. Gotta do a good vibe check. I mean, that's yes, that's actually Yes. These are all these lessons that we learn in them in the internet age. Because when you walk into a room of people, it's a different read you have to to check before you want to participate. But it's just as important. Yeah. Yeah. But in the world of the online era, you have to understand that everything you're doing is existing in a um it it'll exist for an eternity. Well that. Which is terrifying. That too. But also that I'm Jansen. Hi, Len. The internet is built around um harvesting. I hate that word. Explain that, unpack that a little bit for me, because I think I know where you're going. That no matter it's all whether it's the social media platform itself or the company that you're engaging with, they're trying to get something from you. Yeah. Well, what is the what's the saying? If it's free, you're you're the product. Well, well, that definitely that might be true in well, maybe that's not true in real real life, because the things that are free, there are gifts. Yeah. Um, it's harder to come by in the online era. But like the the the nature of the online thing is it's a commercial activity. Yeah. And so all these platforms, YouTube included, um, all the you know, social media stuff. Yeah. That I mean, a canny person is gonna is gonna lurk. Right. Just just for a bit, though. Maybe. I mean, I would how well how about this? How about we reframe this? Yeah, how about we reframe this and say what are the benefits of lurking? And for those of you out there, and maybe you don't want to comment, but maybe you can break your lurking silence to answer this question. This one time. If you if you if you do lurk, what what are the benefits that you get out of it and what are the the the benefits that you find in not participating? And you because I do think that if we have anything valuable that we're actually doing here, this is I mean, on some level, it's a performance. Yeah, right? Yeah, a little bit. Like we're putting on a show. Right. And someone can just listen, right? Like I watch you know here, how about this? A lot of people don't watch this live. Yeah. I mean, it actually outnumbers the number of people that do. We get like what 75 people max on here right now, at least. Yeah. And by the time the week is done, we have anywhere from 400 to 650, 900, 900 views. Right. Sometimes more. And so those people don't even have the opportunity to participate. Yeah. And that's typically me with live streams. So I'd be curious. If you're watching this after Monday night, there we go. Come it. I would I'd be interested to see what your your thoughts are on lurking. Well, where I'm going with that is, yeah, that's a good point. Where I'm going with that is a lot of times, like 99, most of the time, the live streams that I listen to, uh-huh, I listen to the audio while I'm working or doing something else, yeah, cleaning or whatever. And I get a lot of value out of that. And I don't even and a lot of times it's like a live stream, and you can hear comments coming through, and it's very interesting. Yeah, whether it's political or some kind of a you know special interest. I I get a ton of value out of that. It's so interesting. Because it is a performance in some way, and it's not just a conversation. I've never just listened to a live stream. Really? I do all the time. And I don't I wonder I wonder if that's what is a tele, what is a radio show if it isn't a live stream, really? Or a I mean a call-in radio show, an old-fashioned one. Right. It I mean that the this feels like the next radio show in a way. Yeah, I think it that's that's the genre that we're moving forward. Right. So if you you know, only a couple of people are gonna be able to no one can comment on a radio show. Right. Like look think back on the old radio shows that we used to, or maybe some of us still do listen to. John, what of what Hannity, what of Sean? Sean, that's like a TV show, isn't it? Uh, there's a guy that my dad would always listen to. My news might be divulging a little too much about my history, but my dad would listen to that all the time. People would call in. There's all kinds of talk radio or or whether it was talk radio or whether it was sports. I mean, all those things. You you people, it's a performance. And so I think that we're maybe we're we can somewhat mixing metaphors, and this is a new media, yeah, where we can engage. So anyway, we're really getting into the weeds of this, but it's it is very interesting. He here's my here's my like my my thought process behind why I am encouraging uh uh participation in in anything we do, but uh specifically like here if if we wanted to release this as like a standalone podcast, we can. Right. And we we will. But they serve two different purposes. This is for the purpose of of whatever sense of community, right? Or however much of community that you can receive through a screen. Whereas videos are just for entertainment. Or education, right? Like but but there are completely different purposes. You you interact with the media completely different. So maybe what you're saying is then that lurkers, which is a wonderful term, uh are uh those who are uh gaining educational or entertainment value. And those who are commenting are more interested in participating in a community. Yeah, I I would say that's true. That we're we have here, and that may sound kind of basic, but I mean, to be fair, it's the community that gets me jazzed up about I I didn't know that I would be so happy to see new names like hey, I've been here for a little bit, and I'm like I did I like legitimately didn't think that I would that would bring me joy like it did. Like this gets weird. Yeah, but then and then but then there's a downstream benefit as well, and that we're leaving a lot of whether people want to call it educational or inf information or uh entertain entertainment at the bare level. It's up to you guys to determine that uh after the fact. But um it is a new okay. There are how-to videos too. Uh pull that one up. Um, I wonder how many videos there are on how to change the motor oil on your Janice. I guess people can't read their owner's faces anymore. Yeah, there are how-to videos. Um I I think that brings up a good point, right? There are some people who look for specific things, and there are others who look for different specific things. And I think that everyone's intention it very quickly shifts on the internet. Like you can we're getting it, I think, a little far down the road here, but we're late in the stream. Uh we only got four minutes. It it's so interesting how that there is potentially something for for everyone. Isn't and that it feels like I I'm a big I'm an optimist through and through. Uh like I I've tried to take it out of myself, but it's really hard to do that. And uh I just think the internet's such a cool, uh, wonderful place that you can literally do whatever you want. Yeah. And you there isn't there is a very optimistic way of looking at it, and I think that there's a lot of b benefits to like the the awesome power of YouTube and the community they can build. There's also just so much negative about it. I went to YouTube university. That's where my degree is, you know? Yeah, like I just watched so many videos. Uh there's so how do we how do we kind of wrap this up? What what's the what's the kind of uh idea like what's the end of this? Is if there is a conclusion. Yeah, what's the conclusion? You can look for a little bit. Just say hi. I don't know, to me there's something such so so markety about I mean is this this is all if you're looking at if you think about this in terms of like the business aspect of it, it's like this is this is a sales funnel. And you're just getting swept down the middle of it right now. The funnel, the the tornado of GNS motorcycles. And the other side of it is there's a way that it can be really beneficial. Smith. Hello. Nice. So glad you're here. That's great. What are you saying about the funnel? No, they're like that's the that's the negative side of it. Yeah, yeah. Um, but to me, maybe the one thing that that I've said that makes any sense at all this evening would be that there are different, there are two different ways that we can engage with the online realm. Yeah. And one of those is to listen or do this down the road and derive whatever benefit keeps you listening to it for the full hour. Or there's also the benefit of the community aspect of it. Yeah. And just hanging out rambling with a couple other ramblers.

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Um, and those are two different sides of the coin. And maybe one of the things that we want to try and do with the ramble stream is figure out how those two things can be more combined. Yeah. Um so we're always we're we're looking at how do you how do we make this something that uh is more valuable to people? Yeah. How do we extend that idea of just hanging out the community aspect? Because we cannot, I mean, let's be honest, JNS motorcycle wouldn't exist if we didn't sell bikes online. If we were, if it was pre-internet days, yeah, and we didn't have dealerships around the country, there's no way this would work. It's the entire model. It's the entire model. So this is a really interesting experiment in community. And how do we harness because we we know we're basically a anti, I'm anti-internet, anti-technology, pretty much, well, Luddite folks, in case you didn't already know. And yet, in the internet, we have found a tool to be able to advance this idea of Luddite technology or the cats out of the bag in a Janus motorcycle that actually does something that none of the other big motorcycle brands are able to accomplish. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty powerful. That's really cool. So, how do we do the same thing with the Rambo stream? Right. Yeah, it's it's uh these are all like talking about what we're doing while we do it. I don't know if you guys enjoy this as much as we do, but like I I think having conversations like this is very fun. Um we'll see. Well, yeah, we'll only only time will tell. But uh, I think the the chat's yelling at me uh to to not forget about the giveaway. All right, well, let's do it before we run out of time. The entry word is lurk. L-U-R-K. Again, we are giving away this Duluth pack. Where'd it go? This Duluth pack, uh, notebook cover, and uh there's a notebook in it. I've got no idea where it went. Um the entry word is lurk. It's on the screen now. We're gonna give away the one that Richard can't find. Oh, it's right there. It's uh sealed. It's it's bison. Bison leather. Made in America. Command and Dulu but Duluth Pack, an incredible brand that we've did a collaboration with about two years ago. Um wonderful people. Yeah, love them all up there. Um this is a way to protect and uh enjoy your uh journal. If if you write cookies and lurk, we're not unfortunately giving away cookies. We are just giving away this this here notebook uh someone just septech wrote lurk backwards. I don't think that's gonna work either. We've got 36 people uh entered, but we've got 62 viewers watching. So this is this is a a testament to the the lurking uh lurkers, I guess. I don't know. I'm I won't even mention all the other benefits, the beauties of this this is hand sewn on an old vintage showing machine by a incredible lady up in Duluth. Is it really? Yeah, no, their company is so amazingly beautiful. It's in this old building in downtown Duluth. That's really cool. And they use all this antiquated equipment. That's they were a perfect fit for us. So we'll give this away with begrudgingly. You've got 39 people in, but 61 viewing. That's a pretty good, that's a pretty good uh ratio here. We gotta we gotta wrap this up. Okay. Um okay, uh final entries uh happening right now. Uh three. Oh we got 40. Let's do it. Two, one. All right, this is always so fun to watch all the usernames go through. Oh, this is giving away a Duluth Pack uh notebook cover. Live on the classics. Nice little cover of the Beatles. Nice. Congratulations. Uh live on the classics. Are you are you here still? I would imagine you are. Um go ahead and make yourself known. Uh if not, uh you can't claim the prize. So go ahead and make yourself known here. Let's just say here or whatever. Pay for you, thanks. Awesome. Okay, so in order to for us to send this to you, you're gonna need to send us an email at rambling at Janus Motorcycles.com. Rambling at Janus Motorcycles.com. Send us an email with your address and your uh whatever name that can get us that we the postmaster will be able to address to you and we will get this into the mail to you um right away.

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Congratulations. Congratulations. It's good to see your name in the chat. That's awesome. So glad you're not lurking. Well, this has been a great uh great episode. Uh I'm excited for episode 108 next week on the 8th of December. Holy crap, it's almost 2026. Been there. Good grief. All right, well, thank you all so much for tuning in and not lurking. Richard, do you have any final words? For those of you who are lurking, we appreciate you being here. We'll see you next week. That wraps up this episode of the Ramblestream Podcast. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed the show, subscribe wherever you listen, share it with a fellow rambler, and please consider leaving a rating. And join us live every Monday at 7 p.m. on YouTube for our weekly ramble stream. You can also find us at ramblestreampod.com and on social at ramblestream. We'll be back next week with more conversations, more stories, and of course, more rambling. And remember, many of those who ramble may very well be lost, but that's probably the point.