AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe

The Power of "Bunny Talk" and Linguistic Play with Claudia Rickard

• Ryan DeJonghe, Founder of TranceWell.help • Episode 21

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In this episode of AWAKEN, Ryan DeJonghe welcomes Claudia Rickard, a standout presenter at HypnoThoughts Live and a master of creative hypnotic intervention. Claudia shares the fascinating story behind her famous "Bunny Talk"—a playful yet profound approach to hypnotic language that bypasses conscious resistance. They explore how using lighthearted, metaphorical storytelling can lead to deep neurological shifts, making the process of change feel less like "work" and more like a natural evolution.

Key Discussion Points

  • The Origins of Bunny Talk: Claudia reveals how a simple, spontaneous metaphor about bunnies evolved into a powerful therapeutic tool for helping clients release anxiety and find internal peace.
  • The Power of Play in Hypnosis: Why "serious" problems don't always require "serious" interventions. Claudia discusses how playfulness lowers the brain’s threat response and opens the door to creativity.
  • Bypassing the Critical Faculty: A deep dive into the linguistic structures Claudia uses to distract the conscious mind, allowing therapeutic suggestions to land softly and effectively.
  • Embodied Language: How Claudia uses her voice and presence to create a "container" of safety, helping clients move from their heads into a more grounded, resourceful state.
  • The HypnoThoughts Experience: Claudia previews her upcoming workshop and talk at the world’s largest hypnosis conference, sharing what practitioners can expect from her unique "Bunny Talk" methodology.

Memorable Quotes

"Sometimes the most profound changes happen when we stop trying so hard and just allow ourselves to play with the possibilities.""Bunny Talk isn't just about rabbits; it's about finding a language that the subconscious mind actually wants to listen to."

Special Segment: Hypnotic Gift

Stay tuned until the end of the interview for a special hypnotic gift from Claudia Rickard. She leads a signature "Bunny Talk" guided session, designed to help you quiet your inner critic and tap into a state of calm, effortless resourcefulness.

(Note: This session is designed for relaxation; please ensure you are in a safe place where you can close your eyes and focus inward.)

Episode Timestamps

  • 00:00:15 – Introduction: Why everyone is talking about "Bunny Talk"
  • 00:05:40 – Claudia’s journey: From traditional hypnosis to creative mastery
  • 00:14:20 – The "Bunny" Breakthrough: How a simple metaphor changed everything
  • 00:25:50 – The Science of Play: Why the brain learns better when it’s having fun
  • 00:38:15 – Mastering the Tone: Using voice and rhythm to deepen the trance
  • 00:52:10 – Previewing the HypnoThoughts workshop and global tour
  • 01:03:45 – Hypnotic Gift: A "Bunny Talk" Journey to Inner Peace
  • 01:10:00 – Final thoughts and where to find Claudia online

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SPEAKER_00

All right. Welcome everyone. Thanks for being here. We got a very special guest. I'm getting goosebumps already, just thinking about it. We got Claudia Rickard. Thank you for being here, Claudia.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you very much for having me, Ryan. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, of course. And the reason I reached out, because the more I start talking to our other peers, the more I keep hearing about this bunny talk. I'm like, wow, what a fun little name. And I know you're presenting at Hitna Thoughts, the largest Hypno conference in the world. You're giving a workshop and a talk. But first, I want to just rewind a bit. We'll get to the bunny talk in a moment. I want to know how did you get started in hypnosis?

SPEAKER_02

So, okay, well, first of all, I've always loved helping people. All right. People are my passion. I've uh I've just been one of those uh gregarious um little people that was always a little bit naughty at school, but not so naughty that the teachers didn't like me as well. And uh I was uh I actually went to boarding school and I was friends with everybody, you know, the cool kids and the not so cool kids. I just love people, and so I'm just one of those, I suppose, lucky people that uh can get on with people. Anyway, I am also uh well I started doing uh beauty therapy, that's what we call it in uh England. I think you call it an aesthetician here. Uh, and I got really good, I love the massage bit, and I got into aromatherapy. So I was an aromatherapist, I was manageress of a big salon in London, and uh so yeah, anyway, it was it's all part of the the mind and body and the you know the connection because you have to choose the oils that go with the their issue. So I started getting interested in that, so I went down the counselling route, yep, and I did um a lot of training with that, read loads of books, and uh I was three years in my degree, uh, and I was married at that time, and then I went, ah I have a choice. It was a very big one. I have a choice, I don't need to be in this awful marriage, and uh where I'm making him obviously unhappy and I'm unhappy, and uh children are unhappy. Uh so and then I thought, well, what do I do? So I just waited until the next time he did something like I'm leaving you, blah blah blah blah, and I went, okay. I went, okay. Yeah, aye, you said it, because I wasn't gonna be the one necessarily to do it. So, so yes, and then I got remarried, but I still had this need to do something else. Oh, and then my eldest son had hypnosis for something. I was uh which his dad had arranged, I must admit, and I uh I thought, oh, what's that? So I did uh the exploratory uh thing and I did a uh a six-week uh course actually, it was just over three weekends. Oh my gosh, I absolutely loved it. I couldn't get enough of it, and I was really good at it. And when we're really good at something, it's like it's feeling like lights you up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're like, aha, I get this. This other stuff is just doesn't make sense. This just flows, it's like you're built for this.

SPEAKER_02

I was, yeah, and I and I was just not natural at it, but but I was, you know, because because I loved it so much, and when you love something, it uh kind of just adheres to you and it becomes like osmosis. So I I you know read all the books, uh, you know, I challenged myself. I I did some quite interesting things with my clients. I was already an aromatherapist right. I had clients straight away, straight away, and I had people to practice on while I was uh doing my diploma. So it was like it uh so it was you know it was all good, and yeah, I've just carried on ever since and then sort of like carried on learning and yeah, created my own thing.

SPEAKER_00

That's interesting you're talking about because of our body has these different smells and hearing. I know some hypnotists work with music. So do you still use aromatherapy with some of your clients?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I did in America, I mean in England, sorry. Uh so I used to do hypno-aromatherapy. In fact, I did hypnoraiki as well, because I've got my Reiki too. Same, yeah. Okay, so it's like a whole energy thing. And when I did the uh the massage, uh it was, you know, because it's like it was two hours, they would always have two hours, and I'd you know be massaging the scalp, but it's a specific uh massage that works along uh the meridians as well. Right. And I would be doing the uh hypnosis at the same time, so it was a complete mind-body transformation.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_02

And so I never used any scripts because I couldn't use scripts because it all had to be in my life. Because your hands probably had your hands are busy, and yeah, right. So it was like I always said to them, you're just gonna get what comes out of my mouth, by the way. You know, it's like it would just and it was a feeling, so it was quite interesting. I would come up with um because of the way Reiki works as well, so I would be massaging somebody, and then I would get this guy little message going, You need to do this with them, and I'd be creating scripts up in my head on the spot afterwards, and I'd go, What was that like? Oh, I love the way you brought in my twin, my twin me to that knows me better than I know myself, and we had a chat, and I just loved how you did that. And I thought, yeah, I don't know why I did that.

SPEAKER_00

I just can't think that is fascinating. I wish I could explain what happens because, like, similar thing with me and Reiki is like I'd be saying, I'm getting something with your knee, you know, whatever, you know, and then they'd be like, Oh yeah, it's like, is that part of our unconscious? Like, where's that coming from?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think it's our intuition, and we're because we're going into the zone ourselves with our own hypnosis, because that's what I do with a lot of my clients, and I'm sure you do as well, Brian, and and most of most of our community, is that you kind of get into the flow with them, the energy, yes, right, right, and then it invites other things in, and we just that's why maybe sometimes we're led to ask a specific question, which we might not have done before, right? And you might yourself go, Well, I don't know why I'm asking this question, but I just feel I just feel as though I really need to ask.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, or I need to say this thing, or or it's like that whole uh just understanding of of what is perhaps going on for somebody, and you can just really more empathize with them when you get into the zone, it's it is I I think it's a well, it's it's probably the infinity, it's probably a figure of eight that's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I love that analogy, yeah. The affinity symbol because we're talking about that psychodynamic loop, and that's a circle, but I love what you're saying there because it's more like an infinity sign, it's like yeah, the energy feeding, it's feeding each other, right?

SPEAKER_02

And that's what Reiki does, as you know, it comes through, you know, it is it's a flow, which is why you may be um drawing some negativity out of them, but you just act as a conduit and it goes out of you.

SPEAKER_00

So, how do we as practitioners of hypnosis or Reiki or any kind of energy type work, how do we turn off our critical doubt that's say, no, don't ask that question? Or don't, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so so what what you're asking is if if if we're in that kind of flow state with somebody and we're thinking, Oh, do do I just say this?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, well, I this is what I do, Ryan. Yeah, I always if if I had if that does happen, and and I and I expect it probably did at the beginning, I just go, What's the worst thing that's gonna happen to myself? That's what I also then asked myself. So I had um, I think she was she she she lost a lot of uh a client of mine lost a lot of uh uh young people around her. Uh, you know, there was I it was just like not a very nice time for her. A lot of people were uh dying, and uh and and all of a sudden I just got this bumble bumblebee, but I made it bumblebee, and I said, I'm really sorry, but I'm getting a this thing that's just come into my head, bumblebee. Does that mean anything to you? No, and then we just carried on talking, you see? So what's the worst thing? And then suddenly, though, she went, Oh, the app bumble. Oh, because I'd said bumble, because I had I I had added on bumblebee.

SPEAKER_00

Right, but there's a bumble, the app was in her there.

SPEAKER_02

You go, so so so so you know what? Just say it because what's the worst thing that will happen? They'll just go, nah, and you move on.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Even in like trance, I'm thinking like, you know, sometimes you make those, you know, like one time I said, okay, I'm going to count you up, one to five, and but I said, I'm going to count you up from five to one, you know, just you know, you slip in the map, but it's that confusion. Sometimes it's a beautiful thing, it's part of the dance.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah. Sometimes if if I have done a um permissive, you know, a progressive relaxation and uh relaxing, you know, relaxing your shoulders, relaxing your arm all the way down to the tips of your toes. And I actually meant the tips of your fingers. And you're holding up your hand for the lift lips and they're just going, and I'm like going, and all the that's right, and all the way down to the tips of your fingers. I just I go, I go, where where am I where am I suddenly down? I'm down the toes. It's like it doesn't matter because it's not what you say, it's it's always your body language that we use with our clients, it's the smile on our face, it's the expression that we're using, and it's the tone of our voice.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So a client won't notice if you're saying, and relax your spleen and your esophagus, and you'll think or some log scientists, and all these and all these made up word, yeah. Yeah, they're not gonna, it's just like it's it's how you would say it.

SPEAKER_00

So intention, like in Reiki, where you have the highest intention for the person, like yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02

I know we we don't say those words just in case anybody's thinking, just do you relax those things? No, I don't, I don't, but I'm just saying we we wouldn't say it.

SPEAKER_00

But if you did Well, I'm no longer going to say those words now. I'm gonna take this out of my practice.

SPEAKER_02

The client wouldn't the client wouldn't mind because it's the and just a relaxing now. You know, it's your voice that that makes the person relax.

SPEAKER_00

And I don't want to keep the uh people watching, listening in suspense too much longer. We talked about the bunny talk, and I'm curious because everywhere I go in the different hypnosis groups, they're all about oh, you gotta go to bunny talk, you gotta learn bunny talk. I know you're presenting it both in the workshop and uh uh session at Hypnothos Live. So, all right, tell me, how did you come about bunny talk and what is it?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, well, okay, uh NLP, neurolinguistic programming. Yes, yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00

I know you're a master, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, and and and many people are. Many people are.

SPEAKER_00

However, like I heard you're the black belt with like the several different stars in the black belt. Like you're the Mr. Miyagi of NLP, right?

SPEAKER_02

I don't think so, but I'll take it. Thank you. Hey, I have I have I have co I have several mentors, you know. I'm lucky. Beryl Comer is one of them, uh, as is Bob Burns. So yeah, so I'm I'm I'm pretty lucky. Now, the also let me start at the very, very beginning of Shadow Puppets. Do you remember playing Shadow Puppets? Of course, yes. Good, okay. And I did with my daughter, okay, when she was a little girl. We did Mummy Bunny and Baby Bunny. Um we were doing the shadows first of all, but she just, you know, you know, little girl, I don't know if I don't know if you've got any children, but she's just really cute. And she was like, Hello, hello. So we were doing this, and then I taught her the months of the year, days of the week, um, all the things, all the simple maths, um, math through our bunnies, and it was just became our thing. It's just the way we we played, you know, silly playing in bed and stuff.

SPEAKER_00

I love this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, because at that point I was not doing NLP, and I had no idea, Ryan, that I had been anchoring in baby, yes, okay, safety, love, and security, unconditional love to our bunnies. Because I never told her off, it was always play. Because sometimes I would be the baby bunny and she would be the teacher bunny. I'd get it wrong on purpose, and she would go, It's okay, just have another go. Because that's what I said to her. So she learned to be kind, and there was never a failure, it was just have another go.

SPEAKER_00

Have another go. And that's that's yeah. So much to learn from that, too. Just you know, I I just think that childlike wonder, and as adults, we kind of lose that.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, we unfortunately we do. However, we moved to America in 2019. She's nearly the uh 13 and uh the year after there's COVID. Okay, now she's in grade eight, and there's no school for like two years, so she missed out at the high school, and they're all in hoodies, screens off. It was awful. I think it was a really bad time actually for um for youngsters, um and for all ages, really, but it was it was very bad for kids, and she had a little bit too much time, possibly I don't know, to think, and she started uh hurting herself uh um cutting and you know it was hidden. So, and I'm still only every so often seeing certain little marks. Uh however, um I did know, I did notice, and especially the ones on her legs, so her thighs. I uh anyway, there was it was New Year's Eve. She comes through to my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning sobbing. She's 15 now, sobbing, scary sob. A really scary so I got into bed with her and I held her. Can you tell me what it is? And um then don't ask me what made me do it, Ryan. I got mummy bunny out. Yeah. And she got her baby bunny out, which is as big as my bunny now, but with a little ears down. And she told Mummy Bunny what had happened to her. She couldn't tell me, but she could tell the mummy bunny. So I uh they figured it out what they would do, and we uh uh anyway, uh we roll on. I was actually learning sleep talk with Cheryl Ellman, um, you know, the Elm Elmans. Um so of course Larry um just recently passed away in August last year. Uh so I was I was learning uh that sleep talk with Cheryl, and I I told her, Oh, this is something that I did with my daughter, and we we played this game. She went, You have to do something with that. Yeah. And she named it the Bunny Talk Process. Oh, that's cool. So it's Cheryl Elman who named it. Yeah, that's so cool. So, yeah, blame it on her. And uh, and then I did, I spoke about it. So I wrote a book for parents, and that is my ebook, A Parents' Journey in the Bunny Talk Process, because it's got in that for for parents to have that communication with their children now when they're little, so that when they are teenagers, they have a way to communicate with them. Because I've also since said to my daughter, Ryan, if I ever get dementia, because I'm a um dementia consultant as well, um, I'm a memory consultant because I'm in North Carolina. So uh she um all the states I said to her, darling, I said if I ever um get dementia and I forget you, uh, will you talk to me with the bunnies? Because I'll never forget the feeling of the bunny talk. Yeah, the feeling, yes, and because because of that conversation we had, she has always since been able to tell me everything. I mean, sometimes she has overshared, that's fine. But I I feel I feel blessed, you know, right that she feels comfortable enough to to talk to me like that now, because there was a time when she was like 13, 14, and and just before this happened when she was 15, that she could only see me as a critical parent.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Um, which in fairness, I I I I you know hold my hands up. I I I I was at times, you know, because the state of a bedroom, you know, it's like you know I'm holding up my hands too. I get emotionally hijacked.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like, you know, it's like, you know, there's only so much you can take, you know. Will you please take your stuff downstairs?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but uh yeah, so so but but actually everything just kind of just relaxed after that. It was it was just lovely because of the unconditional love.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. Yeah, and I love how you're anchoring it for those that are just listening. Like she's putting her finger and her thumb together with the ears, the other fingers up, and then so it's it's anchoring that unconditional.

SPEAKER_02

We see everybody doing that because it's like the okay. It's like the okay symbol, yeah. And everybody does it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I'm thinking like India the different mudras that you know they do.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, or that there could be that, you know. I've I've had some people train it like that, and I say it looks like a cow, but do you know what? If a kid liked a cow and doesn't like bunnies, use a cow. It doesn't matter for some parents if if they want to do, you know, it just doesn't matter. Uh it's whatever you know they're going to use. The fact is, is that just have something uh that that you do and that you play with, so it's all about play. So I did, I spoke about this uh uh to hit the thoughts about four years ago, and I had uh other colleagues come up to me and say, Are you going to make this into a course? And I went, Well, no, because everybody can do shadow puppets. And then they went, Well, if you don't, we will. They were saying it nicely, they were giving me the they were giving me the kick at the butt to do something, and so I thought, Oh my gosh, well, I really could, because I see kids, and I this is what I I kind of play with them, this is what I do, and then I'll just think, well, I do the emotional intelligence, uh, my version of it that I coach to the parents first. Well, that can be taught within the bunny talk process because I also use that in corporate, I use it with uh all of my clients, so that'll be really useful for people to know. And then I thought, well, and this is how I play with my children, and then lo and behold, Ryan. Not only am I then showcasing this, it was at Heartland's actually, um, the conference there. Um, and I I've uh got Larry Garrett there, he's he's like watching it. Yeah I have I have somebody else being my um my volunteer, and she's she was like, so I was like, oh, play play act as a child sort of thing. And then she didn't. She did her, she went, you could see it, she went into like a trance, and she just did her own some, you know, so she stopped playing and she got out this big black thing on on the paper that that that's what we do, we draw around your body and everything. It's very, very interactive. And uh she was colouring it in, and and she went, that's from my child, that's my that's how I feel. And we all went, anyway, I did the because there's eye movement, so there's like EMDR in it, if you like. Um and we got rid it was released, it was it was got rid of. And we all just went, oh I mean, literally, I did as well. We all did, we all went, oh, this isn't just for children. This is in a child work. And so I have now been since then, so for the last three years, uh, with my uh clients. So I I do see a lot of people, I mean, in in my opinion, and not for everybody, not for every situation, but a lot of issues do stem from child. Right. And so uh we draw it out, and I've done it on medical doctors, I've done it on other professionals, um, on uh psychologists. Therapists and they send me their clients now.

SPEAKER_00

So that was my follow-up question. You mentioned corporate before. I'm just picturing these people, these doctors are in stuffy suits, and they're you know, like, all right, we're going to play with these little like shadow puppets.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I don't know, I don't I don't I don't do that bit. I do the emotional intelligence coaching.

SPEAKER_01

Got it.

SPEAKER_02

Um I do my my diagrams and um I I do my other stuff. If they want to see me um so it's like a three-hour workshop. If if they want to see me privately, but for their for their stuff, that then they can because no, it's it's a it would be a private thing. I can do it in group, but we don't discuss then what's what's going on. And you may think, how can I do it in group? Well, people draw gingerbread men on the on a little piece of paper instead of everybody. You I we could if I had enough space, you know, like sports all people could get into pairs and do it, but that would be longer still. But I do that more in my training when I'm actually training it than people are doing it on each other, then. Um, but if it's if it's group led, yeah. No, if if I do corporate, it's it's my emotion my version of emotional intelligence diagrams so that they get the aha moments of why they behave the way they do, why other peers around them behave the way they do, and it teaches them to be more compassionate uh in their work space, their work area, and realize because it's teaching empathy, basically.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Wow, yeah, that's that seems like the impossible. That seems like a Don Cahote moment, that big windmill, and like, okay, I'm gonna go teach these professionals empathy.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, yeah, but in a very in a clever way, in a clever way, I love that. And and they're taking and because they're drawing it out as well, they're taking owner ownership. So that's like the first bit that I do with my parents as well. So it's uh yeah, it's it's it and I say there's there's a bit in it with with one of them, and I'd I'd never tell a parent that it's your fault that your child is like this, because it's not always that, anyway, at all. But I just say some parents do this, and then it's up to them if they go, Oh, we do that, and and a lot of the time they do, or they go, that what happened to me, that's what's happened to me, or they say, No, they put it all on themselves, and then I know more about the child as well. So it's uh it's an exploratory thing. Plus, uh you know, I do like to uh be with my clients every step of the way, to be honest, even when I'm doing like an intake form, because I do uh a lot of uh uh uh body watching, I I will look at how they might say uh what where their child is is is in the pecking order, first, second, third, or or or their their tone of voice. I want to see it all, I want to see them flush, I want to see them do this, I want to see them, you know, I want to see them twitch. If I get a form and it's on there, I've got no idea about how they actually felt about it.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

So that's what I do.

SPEAKER_00

On one hand, I'm thinking you must be so overwhelmed with people coming to you. On the other hand, do you ever exclude people? Like, do you say that this isn't a good fit?

SPEAKER_02

Uh yes, if uh rarely. Um but I but I that there are there are times when I think they're not they're not ready. And it's uh you know they just need a bit more time. So it's uh if if if they're asking if you you just kind of just know on the telephone, but very very rarely does that happen. Very rarely. So uh it's you know, and and sometimes it is quite interesting. If somebody's late for their appointment, then I get curious.

SPEAKER_00

That's fair. And I mean very late.

SPEAKER_02

I don't mean five minutes late. I get uh yeah, and they and and it's like the the there's some resistance there. Something's up yeah, I get curious about that. I get curious all the time, and that's I think that's a big thing.

SPEAKER_00

We talk about that play and the bunny talk, but curiosity is a thing that serves us well, especially in this uh profession.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and that's that's exactly what I mean, Brian. So we want to know how uh so when they're with us, I want to see their fingernails. Yeah, I I want to see just how they do certain movements. I just want to know. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00

And it's interesting, and the more you do this, the more you trust the the feedback.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, the pro the whole process. Yeah, yeah, you just get tuned in.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Now I heard about so you have lots of clients. I heard about one in particular story where you got a a one-star review.

SPEAKER_02

In fact, that's happened twice now. You're gonna love this, I know. And and it's um, but it from the same genre. So that's that's my talk at uh Hypnoths uh live this year. One star review, the ultimate compliment. Uh, because uh my ebook, uh, which I wrote for parents, this was before I made it into a course, I wrote it specifically for parents, and uh so that they could, you know, play with their children, bunny bunnies, and create that anchoring like I had. Uh yeah, I get this uh one star review um from my ex-husband. I it's not even about him, and it's quite interesting because I you I do put in this book because it's for parents, and I wrote it very short because I want parents to read it, read it. Parents don't have time to read, they want something, they want it here and now. Give it to me now. 20 minutes, done, great, I've got the information. Now I can now I can move on. Give them a great big volume like this.

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah, I haven't I still haven't gotten through the Stark book or any of the others. My kids are fully grown now, and I still haven't books.

SPEAKER_02

They're just not gonna read it.

SPEAKER_00

So, what to expect when you're expecting, what to expect when they're toddlers.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they'll just flick through it. So I um so I I did uh 10 best questions um that you uh might like to ask yourselves even before you have a child, and then I did best practice for children when there's a divorce, best practice for uh children for the you know when they're for being a stepparent for the children, so that the they can be mindful of it. It's got some poems in there, uh a poem my daughter wrote me as well, and uh as I say, it's got the how the bunny talk came about.

SPEAKER_00

And curious for those listening, watching, how can they get this ebook? Is it on the Amazon? Oh, it's on Amazon, yes.

SPEAKER_02

And I am I am about to get it uh printed out into a into an actual uh book as well.

SPEAKER_01

Lovely.

SPEAKER_02

Um so because I get so many people saying, Oh, I just I want it as a book. So I was like, okay. Uh so I so I will, I heard, I listen. Uh and I am writing another one as well at the moment, but however, there's um so so it's it is quite amusing because there are so many people go, oh, but he was so nice, how could he be this? He was you know, of course he's charming, of course he, yeah, lovely, lovely. Nah. And the brilliant thing, that's why it's one star review, the ultimate compliment. Thank you. You just write it all out for me because he he even invites people to get in touch with with them, with him. I am the ex-husband, I have the truth, I have this, and the and the and it's like even talk, he says the boys, they're grown men now. It's like just honestly, it just it's it's like it's it's worth a read.

SPEAKER_00

I'm I'm wondering too, because I used to do stand-up comedy for a while. You and I both have the entertainment spark in us, you do hypnosis entertainment as well, and um and a lot of hypnosis too is a like I I'm getting deviated uh off track a little bit here, deviated too. Um but like improv. I see what we do is a lot of improv, the yes and. But I say all that to say this is with my ex-wife, she would on her Facebook pin the post of her review of my stand-up comedy. Like of all the things she could be talking about in the world, that is her pinned post. That's her identity is being my ex-wife of this guy doing horrible stand-up comedy.

SPEAKER_02

I know, I know. It's crazy, isn't it? Because how long ago was that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, 2019 is when we got divorced, and then yeah, so okay.

SPEAKER_02

Well, mine was 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_00

That's how is that so so I'm curious? We talk about curiosity then. How is that the ultimate review? You know, you got this guy saying get in touch with me.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, the ultimate compliment because people are wondering, well, what did she write?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So let's buy the book to find out, and then because what he says is so unkind, it's like his proof is in the pudding, you know. This is this is who you are, right? Unkind words. Who does that after 25 years?

SPEAKER_00

And what's your message at Hitler Thoughts Live when you're talking about this?

SPEAKER_02

What's your message to the world, even about oh, it's to it well, it's it'll be a bit little bit about uh parents not narcissistic and what happens to the child because there's there's a lot of people. Um it is horrendous when there's children involved, and so there's a lot of trauma uh involved, and hence I'll be talking about that bit actually, and then uh and drawing a specific diagram that I draw for as what which is part of my process. I like to give, I like to share a lot of knowledge, and then I will be doing a group um session um or an individual. I'll see what they want, you know, because I can do both, or I'll do that and that. It's like I can do I can, you know, as I say, because I know it when I train this, I don't work off the manual either, it's all in my head because I do do it a lot, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's like going to the theater, it's a new show every night, even though it's kind of the same show, but it's a new show every night. Yeah, always, always, yeah, and I we perform all the time, don't we? Absolutely, and I wonder too, how do you take care of yourself when you get that it's toxic, it's poison released into the world. How do you protect your I'm really good?

SPEAKER_02

I'm I'm I'm I'm very, very good at self-care. I I don't know if you just noticed my hair done. My actually, my daughter, she's doing cosmetology now, and she just oh lovely.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, following after mom, yeah. She did a great job, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, so but I we have a dog. Um uh uh I had a beauti, beautiful uh working cock spaniel before she came over with us. Sadly, she she passed. Uh, but she would um be my absolute, you know, uh I think they absorb stuff from us. Uh and when she passed, it took me a whole year before I could get another one. But anyway, I've got a golden retriever now who is the size of a lion. And uh, you know, he's like constantly sort of like hello, it's like is there all the time. Um, but I walk him a lot, and uh so if I've in between clients, I never book my clients back to back. I always have like half an hour, an hour in between, and I go for a walk.

SPEAKER_00

That's wonderful. I love the exercise. I love animals, of course. Uh and then just thinking in my head, like that Ektart Tole wrote that it's like a children's book about watching our animals and becoming like them, where they don't worry if people think they're fat or overweight. They don't they don't ponder, you know, what's next, you know, what's gonna happen next hour. They're just R, you know, like unconditional love. Unconditional love and curiosity.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they're just they're just they're just gorgeous. And then yes, every morning I do exercise anyway. I ride my bike. Uh, in fact, that's when I practice my scripts. Um, I always do my stage show um in the morning when I'm on my bike, because I road bike in the freezing.

SPEAKER_00

There is something about that rehearsal in the mind. And yeah. And it's funny how we have that same process. I do the same. I don't want to get D uh again off track on that, but there is something to it about exercising, visualization, affirmations, reading, journaling, these are all great things. And it goes back to the question of if someone is listening now or watching, yes, and they got some toxicity from a narcissist or a uh ex, or there's some poison that's pulling out their energy. What's something helpful now that might be able to help them?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, I'm a certified having practitioner as well, literally somatic. Get your hands on your shoulders, cross them, close your eyes, and just stroke, stroke down. You could you you can hum, you can hum happy birthday, you can move your eyes left and right underneath your eye, you can do this, but just and and you know, literally also just shake your body out, you know, you can just shake it out. But this, when you are doing this, you're activating the serotonin and oxytocin in your own body, okay, and you're activating the GABA waves inside your brain, and it's the GABA waves um that really create the change for us that really help um shift uh negativity, so it it activates them. So that's what we want. So, yeah. I mean, I literally have done my best to train in every single thing that you can imagine that will help with um and I'm in North Carolina, significant emotional events and feelings. Uh, so it's uh, you know, if I was in England, I could say that say trauma. Actually, I prefer significant emotional events and feelings, right? Um, you know, because it does cover so much, but yeah, it's uh, you know, I've got I did IEMT, gosh back uh in England. I uh the blast technique as a certified havening practitioner, Master Ann L Pitt, you know, but so many of them cover all the eye movements, and then I've created my own because I've pulled so many of the best bits that I have learned, and that's the bunny talk process. That's what my clients get.

SPEAKER_00

I love it. To me, I like the analogy of you're an artist, you're going into the art store and you're like, oh, well, there's a new type of brush, or oh, there's a new type of clay, or let's experiment, and then you're like, okay, I'm going to create this art. Some of it's painting, some of it's clay, some of it's whatever.

SPEAKER_02

There you go. I'm an artist and I didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and as entertainers, we kind of are as well. And then so let's just spend a little moment on that. Did so you started with caring for people, with uh you went, got some education about it, you did the aromatherapy as well. How did you get into entertainment?

SPEAKER_02

Uh well, I'm just naturally funny because I'm English.

SPEAKER_00

Uh uh, we'll pause there. I bet plenty of English people, even some of our peers, are not nearly as funny as you are. So nice, nice try.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I um but we do have a quirky sense of humour. So it's uh well, most of us do. Uh so uh yeah, I uh I don't know, I just think it's funny. I always use humour in my uh sessions anyway, and it's uh so and I I th it works brilliantly as a pattern interrupt.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

So you can see I've got this blue chair here. Okay, this is my office, and my clients my client will sit over there, and I do this funny thing, I kind of scoot over because I have to scoot over like this, and I'm doing this, and I know I look like they must be going, what is she doing? Why doesn't she get off and scoot the chair? But I like doing it because it makes me feel like a child, and I say that to them, and then they kind of go, and I they they just know they're in, they're in, they know they're in for a laugh because I have to get near them onto a certain side when I'm gonna do some eye movements, you see. So I have to do, and I and it's just like they just must wonder what on earth I am doing, and I say that to them, I know you're wondering what on earth I'm doing, but I said I I quite like it because it makes me feel like a child, and and it's like and that now we're laughing. That is a massive pattern interrupt, you see. So we're already, and I'm doing it on purpose, we're already creating change.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so now I'm curious. What's one of the funniest things that you've done on stage with hypnosis? Like, what's one of the funniest stories that pops to the top of your head?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, you should have asked me this before. I've got to think now. Um, okay, so what when I've been doing stage hypnosis.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, I'm actually really still quite new to it. So I've done three shows.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So I think m what my first one I loved the most, okay, because oh my gosh. All right. I was, I I was like, had no idea really and truly that they were suddenly going to be doing these things. So I had men, men having um, oh so I did it for charity, okay, and it was for a dog charity, um, saving dogs. And so I had them, I thought, oh have the men having babies, but they didn't. I had them having puppies. So they had so they had this puppy, and I was like then asking them, everyone, how did that happen? And they were like, Really? I don't know. And there was this is I don't know if I can swear on here any either.

SPEAKER_00

But anyway, I had people have.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, but I had one one young girl, her her family was in the audience. She was 22. The family was in the audience, and uh they had their other younger daughter there, and I and I was asking, how you know, with the microphone, how how did this happen? And she goes, He fucked a dog. And I'm like, going on, because I was like looking at the parent anyway, it was it was very funny, but it was just like they they do do like crazy things, you know. It's uh but but every single time I'm like going, Oh, they're doing this now. Oh my gosh, they're actually doing it, you know. And I so I'm as still amazed as everybody um that I'm actually guiding them to do that. Uh so but I was very lucky, I've had really good subjects actually. Um uh and they've got you know, they've gone deep. I mean, there are just some that are it's like, yeah, it's it it is but what about yours? What's one of your funniest ones?

SPEAKER_00

Well, to me, the the funniest one, also the first one was when I did the convincer where you have their hands locked together and you say, Okay, it's the more you try, the more, you know, just the the very beginning of the show, you know, you're just doing some complacent testing and seeing, and then everyone I had 13 people up front, and 13 people open their hands. Whoop. To me, that's that just makes me laugh every time I think about it. And then like back to improv, yes.

SPEAKER_02

I want I get volunteers up, and then I do it with them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's the volunteer. The volunteers were up, and then like they did the the fingers and they did you know all that stuff, and then but it just but the next show I did it, yeah. We got them all like that. But I love just you mentioned it right, is like the people they get so involved, and you're like, wow, that's amazing! Like I did the Richard Barker thing where you swim like a fish, and then one of the ladies was like just laughing hysterically, just you know, thinking, Oh, this is funny, I'm a fish. Like, how am I a fish? I have no idea. But she's just laughing or saying every word I say. This was actually an accident on my behalf. I said, every word I say will become funnier and funnier, and all of them were just laughing or rolling around, and then like, okay, now back to sleep now. And then again, they're all like laughing. I said, Okay, I tried to get them to be quiet, but that to them was funny. It's like a little bit chaotic, but yeah, sometimes funny.

SPEAKER_02

I did the laughter police, and uh had he was like, he he he put his chair up, he stood up, got up, and he was like going, you he was really pointing you, Mr. Mustache Man. Mr. Mustache Man, I'm gonna get you. And I went, it's all right, sir. The the SWAT team's here now. If you can sit back down, I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. Yeah. I know there's uh that show, Whose Line Is It? One guy, I think Colin is one of them, and he partners with a hypnotist now, and they're on the road where they do improv hypnosis. So they'll take an audience member, hypnotize them, and then they'll do improv and it's the most funny thing to watch what they come up with.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, I love it. Oh, yeah, I had a tickle stick as well, and they were saying that you can do all sorts, but it is it is yeah, I love it. I love that I get to do this and show the benefits of hypnosis, uh, because I then always put in some good stuff at the end uh for a right, yeah, and they walk away feeling so good about themselves and life. Yeah, yeah, and I'm the audience as well. So I don't them have the audience, and it's like the same if they're on the roller coaster and they're going and they're screaming and what have you. I then anchor it, you know, I go on their shoulders, and it's like uh each and every one of you is a uh has got the courage, and you're a not just a survivor, you're a thriver, and uh nod your head if you've taken this suggestion in. So it's that's wonderful. So they know that they can move forward and conquer their fears because that's a huge one for people. I think it's the most debilitating thing that people can have really. Two the two emotions of shame and fear. And well, we we're not in the realm of doing sh any work shame work on the stage, but we can help people with fear, and of course, true fear is feeling the fear of doing the roller coaster. Um, and then it's like, and then if you um can build that in, I think that's I think that's a real gift that we can give to people.

SPEAKER_00

I love that so much. Yeah, and I guess that's what got me into hypnosis from the stand-up realm, is I had this theory, it's like people are in trance when they walk into the show. They got in a fight with their spouse, or they couldn't find parking, or they're running late, or whatever it is. They have bills to pay, and they're in this trance. It's like, how can we get them out of the trance before the show starts?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So meet them at the door, tell some jokes, warm them up. Yeah, and in a moment, uh, everyone listening and watching to get a little taste of Claudia's touch to help you with a little hypnotic gift. But before we do that, Claudia, is there anything that a message that you would like to tell the world?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness. Uh love. Love your friends, love your family, and above all else, love yourself. Because there is nothing better than love. There's nothing greater than love. That's all there is.

SPEAKER_00

That's a great message.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Wonderful. And thank you so much for being here. And for anyone, before she starts with this little hypnotic gif, of course, if you're watching, hopefully you're not driving and watching anyhow. But if you are listening, make sure you're not doing anything dangerous. Uh you know, be safe, find a comfortable spot, and just enjoy.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. And so, what I'd like you to do now is to just uh um sit comfortably in your chair and focus on a spot just uh above that's it, just focus above your head now, just for looking up and just focusing your eyes on a spot on the wall. That's right, just focusing your eyes on that spot on the wall while you listen to the sound of my voice. And while you're focusing your eyes on that spot on the wall and listening to the sound of my voice, I'd like you to become aware of your breathing while you're listening to the sound of my voice and focusing your eyes on that spot on the wall. And notice how your hands feel while you're noticing your breathing, listening to the sound of my voice and focusing your eyes on that spot on the wall. And now I'd like you to notice how your feet feel while you're noticing how your hands feel. Noticing your breathing. Listening to the sound of my voice and focusing your eyes on that spot on the wall. And your eyes are becoming heavy and tired now, heavy and tired. And you can naturally easily and effortlessly lower your eyelids now while you continue to listen to the sound of my voice. That's right. And feel that wave of relaxation flow down now from the top of your head down through your body down through your legs and all the way down to the tips of your toes where you continue to listen to the sound of my voice. And any noises inside or outside, they won't disturb you. You'll just know it's the sounds of other people going about their daily business and that's fine. Because you're here with me feeling safe, safe and calm as you allow yourself to go deeper and deeper into your hypnosis. Whatever your hypnosis is for you. And your eyes are feeling so comfortably relaxed now that even if you tried to open them, you just couldn't be bothered to open them. And in a moment, I will be asking you to open your eyes. And when I ask you to open your eyes, I'll be asking you to close your eyes. And when you close your eyes, you will go ten times, twenty times deeper and deeper into your hypnosis. That's right. Whatever your hypnosis is for you. Open your eyes and close your eyes and go ten times, twenty times deeper and deeper into your hypnosis. Whatever your hypnosis is for you. That's right. Open your eyes and close your eyes and go thirty forty fifty times deeper and deeper into your hypnosis, that's right. Whatever your hypnosis is for you And that wonderful mind of yours knows how it can go even deeper still now As you go sixty times deeper Seventy times deeper eighty times deeper and deeper into your hypnosis That's right It can go even deeper still now as you go ninety times deeper And all the way down now one hundred times deeper, deeper and deeper into your hypnosis Whatever your hypnosis is for you That's right And now I'd like your wonderful mind and imagination to drift off to that magical mystical place in your mind That safe place of yours that magical mystical place where you can make positive lifestyle changes now That magical mystical place that safe place of yours whatever it is for you where you can make positive lifestyle changes now and now while you're in this magical mystical place I'd like you to give yourself a gift and it could be a gift around your beliefs or your values or something that you really want or desire right now make it a good gift, make it a really good gift that's right, and now I'd like you to use that wonderful mind and imagination of yours to imagine a force field surrounding your body protecting you, and this force field acts like an emotional barrier or boundary protecting you because you do not give other people's bad behavior or their emotions or your own negative feelings and emotions permission to change the way you feel. You do not give other people's bad behavior or their emotions or your own negative feelings and emotions permission to change the way you feel. And there's an opening in this false field, and it's where you breathe in new learnings, new positives, new opportunities, new potential, new adventures. And it's where you breathe out any negative feelings, images, thoughts, emotions, or sensations that you've been holding on to. It's where you breathe out all the old negative psychological rubbish that goes on in your head. That's right. And now I'd like you to run a movie through your head. And this is a movie of you over the coming days, weeks, months, years, looking the way you want to look, feeling the way you want to feel, and doing all the things that you want to do. You have this gift, you have this force field surrounding you, protecting you, because you do not give other people's bad behaviour or their emotions or your own negative feelings and emotions permission to change the way you feel. Make it a good movie. Make it a really good movie. We are the movies we play in our heads. We are the movies we play in our heads, always play a good movie. Always play a good movie. That's right. And now, in a moment, I will count forwards from one to five, and by the time I count to five, you will open your eyes and you will emerge from your hypnosis. In a moment, I will count forwards from one to five, and by the time I count to five, you will open your eyes and you will emerge from your hypnosis, feeling amazing, feeling really good for you. You have this gift, you have this force field surrounding you, protecting you, because you do not give other people's bad behavior or their emotions permission to change the way you feel, and you've seen yourself in a movie looking the way you want to look, feeling the way you want to feel, and doing all the things that you want to do. That's right, and so ready now. One, two, three, four, five, feeling amazing, feeling really good for you. You have this gift, you have this force field surrounding you, protecting you, because you do not give other people's bad behavior or their negative emotions and feelings, or your own negative feelings and emotions permission to change the way you feel, and you've seen yourself in a movie looking the way you want to look, feeling the way you want to feel, and doing all the things that you want to do. That's right. Are you back here with me in the present?

SPEAKER_00

Amazing, yeah. That is so good. I am so confident so many people are going to be blessed by going through that process, running that movie, feeling so good. So, thank you for spending some time with us today.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you for that gift, and we'll put the links down below for people to see you in the thoughts. I know you're presenting all over the world. I know you got Spain in a little bit and Chicago and Florida.

SPEAKER_02

You're a free e-guide. I'm more than happy to um give it to your viewers. I'll send it to you. Uh, it's it's actually because in um having uh communication skills is really important. And uh I wrote this e-guide actually before before I I knew I could have used AI. Um, so I actually hated it.

SPEAKER_00

And there's something I've seen, I've seen some AI, and you can always tell, just like some people use AI for their videos and whatnot, you're like, something's off, even when you're reading. It's you go back to the intention of you have with your clients and the people you work with, and you can tell in the writing that the intention is very human and very energetic.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, that I I did write this one. There's um uh there's other ones, uh no, my emails I don't always because it's like there's there's so many or things on my YouTube descriptions, it's like, oh my gosh, that would take me forever. So I do use Chat GBT for that, it's very helpful, but yeah, but I did. So I'm I'm more than happy to share that with um with your viewers.

SPEAKER_00

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome. Looking forward to uh seeing you in person in the future, and I've been blessed by your presence here.

SPEAKER_02

Are you going to Hipnothalts as well then?

SPEAKER_00

I am not, yeah. Actually, I think I'm doing uh I'm not married yet, but my fiance's brother is getting married, so we're going to the Turks and Caicos. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, nice. Okay. Well, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So next year. And you're going to be in Chicago too, I think, right?

SPEAKER_02

Um, yes, I'll be in Chicago. I've got Freud, I've got Boston, I've got England, I've got, yeah, there's quite a few. So yeah. Some of the good ones. It's Copenhagen soon. Oh, this weekend on um Saturday, I'm at the Hypnoticon. Uh Richard Vingards. Yeah. So there's there's lots.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome. I hope everyone gets to train with you and put into practice what you've come across.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's very helpful because it's it's, you know, as I say, you can use bit all of it, or it's a whole framework. You can use little bits, it's it's it it's really helpful for anybody's um practice.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome. Thank you again.

SPEAKER_02

Thanks for having me. Thank you, Ryan.