John Scanlon: The Heart of the Irish Hypnosis Conference

In this episode of AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe, Ryan talks with John Scanlon, the driving force behind the Irish Hypnosis Conference. John shares his unique journey from a career in construction to becoming a hypnotist after discovering the power of the mind to manage pain following a serious accident.

The discussion focuses on the growth of the hypnosis community in Ireland and John’s mission to bring world-class training to Irish practitioners. John emphasizes the importance of community, continuous learning, and the shift toward professionalizing hypnosis through high-quality events that foster connection and peer support.

Ryan and John explore the nuances of running a major conference, the value of in-person mentorship, and why Ireland is becoming a hub for hypnotic excellence. This conversation highlights the warmth and dedication John brings to the field and his commitment to helping others find their path in the world of hypnosis.

Key Takeaways & Meaningful Quotes

• I realized that if you can change how you think about something, you can literally change how you feel it. That was the spark that led me to hypnosis.
• My goal with the conference was to stop the silos. I wanted to bring people together so we could learn from each other instead of just working in isolation.
• Hypnosis isn't just about the techniques; it's about the connection between the two people in the room. If you get that right, the rest follows.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Welcome everyone to this episode. We have a very special guest here, John Scanlan. Thank you for joining us, John. Thank you so much for having me. Now, here's the funny thing, because this is the first time that John and I have actually talked face to face, even though it's virtual or on online, but we just texted. And the reason I found John was I've been on this quest for what I'll call a miracle. And I've been asking other people in the hypnosis community who is doing miracles these days. And John's name came up. So here we are. Welcome again, John. Just setting a bar really high for you. Yeah, there's no pressure in that. You didn't know that. Yeah, we'll we'll go out to the pond and back and watch you walk on the water in just a moment.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Yeah, no, no, no, no. Yeah, okay. No problem. No problem. No problem. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Yeah. And then next stop, we'll go to the cemetery, raise some dead people, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Yeah, that'll happen. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

All right. So let's talk about what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Once the unconscious is involved, anything can happen, Ryan. That's probably the best way to describe it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

And I think that'll be eventually probably the topic of this episode, the the title. Where are the boundaries of the unconscious?

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Well, no, that is the most fascinating topic that we will continue to expand. Yeah. Because I mean, if you think my background, I suppose originally I came from a meditation stroke, Reiki type background. So a lot, but I'm also by trade, I used to be an accountant. So I'm very logically focused, right? Yes, yes. My logical brain kicks in, yet the creative part of my head is really good as well. So I've someone in mind to find balance, but um proving stuff was was was important to me, right? There was it was the logical part of my brain. So for instance, when I discovered and researched, say the heart math institute in the US, um, and they spoke about the heart and the electromagnetic waves that the heart produces, and how the heart and brain, when they're in sync, is the flow state, right? But more importantly, and you'll probably get this when did we can measure the electromagnetic energy field around us to meters around us, two or three meters around us. Now, coming from a Reiki background that might almost appear to be aura-like in style, that the Easterns have been telling us for millennia. Um, and when you think about the fact that you know an atom can be split and separated in two 40 miles apart, and before you touch one, the other one has responded. Where does the unconscious end? Because that's really the real question, isn't it? Because if if the unconscious, well, here's the real here's a question for you back then. Right. You can hold your heart, well, not yours, hopefully, in your hands, your brain, you can hold a liver, a gut. Right. Where's the mind?

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Right. And it's funny because at work, a lot of things just popped up. I was writing it down in just a short period of time that you were talking. But to answer your question, it's funny because I asked the same thing. Uh at my job, I work at the VA hospital for veterans, specifically with blind patients. And we have a neuropsychologist on staff. She's very academic, but very non-rapport building. And then I asked her, what is you know, the same question? Where's the mind? And she doesn't know. And then it leads, and and just to rewind a little bit, it's funny because you mentioned that the heart being electrical, and that was me, uh 2011, where my just depression, and I literally was praying to God, you know, people could call it different things, to take my life. And it was easy for God or the unconscious, whatever you want to call it, to do that, because within less than a week, I had a cardiac arrest where my heart, the electrical of my heart, stopped and I died. And then when I was in that place, I was like, that death or whatever you want to call it, maybe neurons flying, I don't know. But it was amazing because I was like no one and everyone at the same time. I was nowhere and everywhere at the same time. And it was that perfect coherence I've been chasing ever since, that brain-heart coherence. And it's funny that you mention accounting because and being creative, because I'm the same way in college, based all my accounting courses. I thought actually accounting is kind of creative because you could be creative in how you solve a problem. Versus when I took law, I flunked out. They're not so into the creative endeavors.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

No, it's very ABC.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yeah, I love how you also incorporated the metaphysics aspect of it. You're talking about that test where they sent the photons.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

It's one of the things that I work with. Um like I remember Bruce Lipton, and and it's a you know, I think it was a 12-minute thing that he did where he spoke about uh um epigenetics, and I think that was one of the things that really got me fascinated with this. Um, that you know, our immune system basically is protecting the frequency that comes from our brain, which every cell accepts because we've got sensors in every cell that's connected to our brain. And when you know we get a transplant or something, what's the first thing we have to do? We have to cut down the um, we have to, they have to literally shut down the immune system or suppress it so that it doesn't go attack the other part of us. But the other part that I found most fascinating was, and I use this when I'm talking to any of my clients who have medical-related issues, is that um like the biggest chemist we have is in our brain. It's the biggest chemist. So if we are producing um if we're producing you know serotonin or oxytocin, it's like a summer's day for ourselves. Our body just floods with sunshine and rays and everyone's happy.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

If it's cortisol on a continuous basis, it's like a winter's day. I don't, you know, we're we just are coming out of our winter now. This is the first time I haven't seen rain. Now it's four o'clock here, and so it's possible, yeah. But this is the first day I have not seen rain in two months, it'd say. Yeah, wow. So, but it's like when our brain is producing cortisol continuously because our amygdala is fired off and it's blowing down, that has a wearing effect on the system. It's like a continual winter's day. You know the difference when you're in summer and when you're in winter, you're happy, it's raining, you gotta go from A to B. You're dark and you're putting a hood over your head, you're you know, so the when the body is suppressed, when the body is accepting the chemicals that are coming from your brain, and you're just accepting that the body is producing those or the mind is producing those, you've no control over it, you're accepting that you're yeah, you are accepting that your brain is producing a whole lot of chemicals, and you can control it, but you're not. So we would rather be producing happy positive thoughts. And I'm not talking about living in airy fairy land, I'm not talking about that at all. Yeah, I'm literally talking about producing happy positive thoughts so that the cells in our body can literally live in a field of happiness. Now, and why is it important? Because actually, the original science behind it all was that when they took a stem cell which doubles every couple of hours, after a week you had like a hundred thousand stem cells, whatever it was, right? Um, and they split them in three different petri dishes and put um three different cultures in it. And on one, they got bone tissue, one they got muscle, one they got fat, and they went, but it's the same or origin source. Genetics tells us it should be the same. How come? What's the difference? The culture, what's the difference? What's the culture in humans? Blood, what affects this blood, the chemicals we produce from our brain.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

So I love the Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

When I'm working with mind body stuff, that's what I do all the time. It's that principle and that basis.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

And I love that. And I'm wondering, taking your analogy of that summer and winter, is it possible to live in summer most or all of the time?

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Um, well, not completely all the time, but most of the time, yes. Um, I mean, what is stress meant to do for us? It's meant to get us up in the morning, get us the resources we need to do, the tasks that we need to do. It's not meant to be there 24-7. And when you're working with, you know, so many of the people that I'm dealing with have lived in a permanent stress state. Yeah. Now, some of that they're aware of, and some of it they're not. It's never been explained to them before.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

And how do you become aware of the stress that you're not aware of?

SPEAKER_00 10:03

I often use the example of a pressure cooker of our mind. Yeah, you know, I'll use this as the example because I always need a cup of coffee or tea nearby, or it's just it's a good excuse. Yes. But we all have like levels of stress, right? It's called living. We can't avoid that. Yeah. But if we don't process emotion and we keep it, it just builds and builds until such a time as it it might it'll manifest either physically or in behavior, one or the other.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

That's funny, it's almost like you're reading my mind now. Because let's say it was an author, Peter, I think it was Peter Attila, he wrote a book about health, and he used the same analogy of a cup. And then, as long as your cup isn't overflowing with stress, that your body will be able to take care of itself. And then I'm thinking about of all the times I've had angry outbursts, my cup was overflowing from multiple sources, and I don't realize necessarily where it's all coming from. And then also you mentioned the body and disease, it might make it might not manifest in anger, but it might manifest in disease.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Absolutely. And I'm not saying that we're doctors, right? But when I look at this from a perspective of that emotion drives so much of the illness that exists within our body, and I look at it from that space of uh that word dis-ease in essence. Um, you know, this only dawned on me a few years back, but it I knew why I worked with adoption, because I'm adopted, right? So I worked with early childhood trauma and I have. Um my mother died when I was 17, officially of cancer. Um, but my father had died two years before. And as a 17-year-old, or you know, I just said she died of a broken heart. Right. At that stage, I had made a connection that emotions, even though I had no inkling I was ever going to do this, right? You know, because unfortunately, when I was 17, that was rather a good while ago. So I wish it wasn't, but it was. Um, but yeah, so it's kind of like I think I discovered back then the power of emotions on the body. And I mean, I suppose the esoteric community has talked about that for a long time, but there is also a lot, there's more and more in the natural medicine field where you'll begin to find the evidence of that. And I mean, you've books like The Body Keeps the Score.

SPEAKER_03 12:53

You read my mind again. I was about to say, just like the book, The Body Keeps the Score. And there's a lot of scientific evidence in that book that's presented.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and yeah, so I think that's where my interest in it came. I didn't know I was going to end up working over to the levels that I do, but you know, trauma, whether it's emotional or physical, is pretty much what I deal with these days and how it manifests in people.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Yeah, so if you don't mind, take me on that journey, please, because I'm interested. I mean, I do want to loop back to you mentioned Reiki, and we talk about mind and body, but I believe there's another element there. We could call it energy, spirit, something, but I do want to touch touch on that in a bit. I'm curious right now about how you went from that young child, adopted, losing his parents, and now you're I'll call you a healer, whatever you want to call you, a hypnotist, a healer, uh, counselor, a therapist, whatever you want to call you. So, how did you go from that hardship? I'm sure you felt that as a young kid. And then when did you first realize that how you healed yourself, you can now heal others or help guide others to their healing?

SPEAKER_00 14:13

It took a couple of decades, actually, to be fair. I wish it didn't, but it did. Sure. Um, yeah, I mean, you know, married kids, life takes over. You don't have time for any of you know, you're just working as an accountant, that's what you're doing. Um, and probably a divorce and losing access to my kids for a while was probably the biggest thing that gave me the boot up the and no, not to boot up the arts. When my parents died, they were two very religious people, um, Catholic Ireland and all that. And I just immediately just literally switched off. Whatever little bit of hope I had about religion. Now, subsequently, and I saw half the crap that they did when I was in school and all that's I've seen it, and I lived it. But um while I switched off from religion, I became really interested in self-help, but I never did anything about it. So I would have been interested in the books by Tony Robbins and people like that. Yeah, um, you know, and I think gradually I just kept in touch with that as I went along. One of the ones, one of the books that stays with me all the time, um, and I can visualize it uh, you know, even now as I'm thinking about it, is the Cellustine Prophecy. And it's a fascinating book.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Um, I think there is a movie on it on YouTube, but it's free, I think. Okay, it's hard to find actually, because sometimes they break it into, but basically, in essence, what it is now it's told in kind of a story type, you know, Hollywood thriller type, right? Sure. There's a chase and there's a authority, and there's all this piece of but in essence, what it does is it over nine sections or something, if you like, it starts to talk about energy and seeing the energy field around plants, and then starts to bring it more and more into humans. And it gets to the stage where you begin to see, and I can't remember the exact four types now, but they talk four types, four energy types. And somebody else listening to this may well go, you know, that represents that mirrors something else in other psychologies or whatever, and probably does, right? Um, but you've got, if you like, that ultimately we're all trying to get energy, right? And that any exchange is an energetic exchange, and that you've got four different types, like you've got the type who would be the most forceful who shouts, and it's almost. And I remember they showed they described a particular scene in a restaurant, and somebody was shouting at someone else, and they were describing the energy being sucked from one into the other. Right? So that they were it was a way of feeling powerful by taking the energy from someone else. At the opposite end, you had kind of like the poor me, the victim who sits in the corner and grabs the attention that way, and then the two intermediate stages that I cannot remember what their names are. May I ask why I asked the question?

SPEAKER_03 17:22

I guess I gotta go read the book or watch the movie now.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah, there you go, you gotta do that. Um, and it kind of stayed with me. And I think I went, I did a year of counseling, which I wouldn't recommend to anybody after my divorce, but there you go. I wouldn't now, but at the time I did. Um, and I got into meditation and I got into Reiki fairly shortly afterwards. Um, I think I did meditation just for my own peace of mind. Um, and then I began to teach it and run classes in it and stuff like that. Um and then I learned Reiki and I practiced it for a little while, and it was great, and I love it, and I still do it a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit. Um the it changes the body, it changes the energy in the body, it doesn't always change the cause. And I think if you're to look at this from the angle that you look at this, you're gonna get what I'm about to say next, which is that when you're using things like Reiki, you're using external sources, whether it's archangels or whatever it might be, right? But when you're working with the unconscious, you're working with the person themselves and their own internal. So it's not about giving power away anymore, it's about recognizing the power inside. Does that make sense to you?

SPEAKER_03 18:51

It does, absolutely, and I'm wondering you and I both had to go through the midnight of the soul, the darkest places, to be able to be in a place to receive the light, to receive the guidance, to explore meditation, Reiki, hypnotism, whatever it is. I'm wondering, is there a way that we can appeal to clients to teach them these things before they hit that rock bottom? Or do they need to hit rock bottom before they find it?

SPEAKER_00 19:23

It's a really interesting question. Um there is a way, which is teaching it and spreading the message of it that one of the things that I like to work with, and I mentioned I work with identity a lot uh before we started, um is that when we look at hypnotherapy, we can look at it in one of two ways. We can look at it in resolving issues or we can look at it in creating possibilities.

unknown 19:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

And I think if we look at it from the second way, then it's more be it's more possible. Because if we can say to somebody, you know, you arrived at your confidence level by default because of all the stuff that happened to you through your life. We can actually take you to a high level of confidence by tapping into your own inner mind. You don't may not need to go back over all those old traumas. Uh, my therapies, I don't go back on this. I need to. I'm not a fan of regression. It's something I will only go back if I absolutely need to, and if I've taken so much emotion out of it. Um, because particularly say working with FND, one of the messages becomes safety. You know, the nervous system does not feel safe and it physically reacts in the body in a way that nobody can explain, nobody can give a solution for.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

And I do want to talk on F and D in just a second for the people that are listening and watching, because as far as I'm aware, in my interviewing of I don't know, hundreds of hypnotists, they say you're the guy for F and D. So we'll get to that in just a second.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

I'm the only one who talks about it frequently to the same, and I work with it every single day.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

So we'll get to that in a second. Uh meanwhile, I'm wondering the body keeping the score. We talk about that sending sending signals to the body. I'm wondering what's the purpose of that? Like, why do we have a body that holds emotions and a record of the past if it doesn't serve us?

SPEAKER_00 21:51

It's a really good question. It's the one I attempt to answer each and every day. And I'll give you the version that I understand it to be right now. Yeah. Which is that if you take the way our bodies are designed, we have our five-flight freeze mechanic mechanism, our amygdala, right, whose job is to um get us, keep us safe, literally. So when it sees something that's dangerous, it goes, it fires out, it opens up, it shoots out cortisol, adrenaline, electrical impulses into the body, sends energy to our arms and legs, and gets us ready to run. Our breathing changes, we shallow breath, flows, and we're getting ready. And then when we when that danger is over, it closes down. But with any traumas, actually, if you look at animals in nature, once they get through a trauma, whether it's an attack coming from another animal or whatever it might be, what do they do? They shake it off. They literally shake it off. Right? As humans, we don't do that. So we're taught to be strong, we're taught to get up with it, we're taught to get on with it. I mean, going back to, you know, if I lost my parents today, if I was 17 today, I'd be in therapy probably for the rest of my life, right? Or for a long sustained period, it would be the recommended approach. That's something that you guys did on Dallas. Don't be talking about that stupid stuff, right? Right. You know, that's what I grew up with. So, but the amygdala now doesn't know the difference between physical danger and emotional danger. So when if the amygdala doesn't close down properly, what happens? It continuously now produces cortisol. Right. And the more, and as human beings, we love tradition, we do the same things over and over again in society, in ourselves. So what happens? We see something, it's the same thing as the last time, it gets even bigger, doesn't close it, it closes down less and less. That's got somewhere to go, it's gotta go somewhere. Yeah, so that's why we store it in our bodies.

SPEAKER_03 24:20

I mean, I do remember I I wonder, I do want to use it. Yeah, uh as a positive thing, not necessarily like so. We you talked about the threat response, but then earlier you're talking about the oxytocin, which our amygdala also releases, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah, but that's perception, right? That's your perception of what that means. I mean, I tell people a really stupid story, and I'll I'll tell it to you now. I don't know if you're a soccer fan, but um, I'm a Manchester United fan. Right? And a friend of mine is a Liverpool fan. Now I've been a Manchester United fan since I was eight. So um, my friend of mine's a Liverpool fan, and a couple of years ago, Liverpool played United, and it's intense rivalry, right? It's just intense.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

And just a little pause for the listeners and viewers here. Um, if you're American, this could be like Red Sox and Yankees rivalry. There you go, something like that. Yeah, okay. Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Yeah, yeah. Um, so Liverpool won that game seven goals to nil. So I'm a bit like this, holding under my sweater, right? And he's dancing. But you know what's really interesting? We both saw the exact same thing. It's how we perceive it, it's the meaning we gave it, and that's what determines how our body reacts to it. It's how determines how whether you can produce it in whatever way the body can produce it. How how that whether you can use it as a power source, some people will see, you know, um I've got a deadline to do, right? And let's say it's I've got to do this, right? That's just a challenge for me. I'm just gonna do it. Other people go, oh, for God's sake, there's so much stress. It's the same job. Same job, right? One is tapping into um the cortisol response, and the other is tapping into the I'm just gonna get this done.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Yeah. It's funny because as you said that just then, I was thinking about in my in this business, we're taught to do something XYZ way, and that to me doesn't have any meaning. It it's a stress response for me, like it just seems like BS. So, what if I do it in a creative way? Like, for instance, advertising. You gotta, you know, be this person, and that to me is stressful, and it's like almost feeling it. So it's interesting that you mentioned that. And I want to get you mentioned it a few times now, so I don't want to leave our listeners hanging F and D. So what's what is F and D? And let's talk about that for a little while.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Oh uh well, functional neurological disorder. I don't really like the term disorder, but yeah, so that's what it's called. So it's it's where when you do a scan on your brain, there's nothing wrong. When you do a scan on the body, there's nothing wrong. But people have all kinds of body responses, so that can be anything from dizziness to non-epileptic seizures, any point in between. Yes, um, and it's uncontrollable, and people neurologically there is no cause for this. Um, it's a it's a broad term for anything that can't be explained neurologically or physically in the body.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

I love that, yes, and I have two examples that popped up in my head. One, you mentioned non-epile, what do you call it?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Non-epileptic seizures.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Yes. So my daughter had those last year, and they're explaining this, and then they said the doctor said this is a stress response. And then she was like, Well, I don't feel stressed. And you mentioned the same thing with the cup analogy. The stress just, you know, and you might not feel it, you might not know what it is, and the body produced it.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

And I actually get that quite a lot, but and when you talk to people, then what you'll find is that they have been through intense periods of stress. And the body needs a way to get rid of it. Sometimes it just feels safe doing it post the event.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

And you mentioned the animals shaking it off. So the body's like, I need to shake it off.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Correct, yeah. I mean, it's a hard one to put an exact thing on it and go, I mean, neurologists can't do this, so who am I, a hypnosis to be doing this? But um it's kind of like it's really hard. The way that I deal with it is very simple because the medical profession accept that the nervous system is the issue, they accept that it is a what they call a software problem, not a hardware problem. That's their terminology. I prefer to use the term Wi-Fi, but you know, but it's the same thing, right? In essence, the nervous system carries the messages from the brain and it carries them to the body, so it makes a determination about whether something's safe or not safe. And if it's not safe, it sends it down the sympathetic nervous system. When it's sending too much stuff down the sympathetic nervous system, it's the same thing as the pressure cooker, it just overflows. Because if you actually look at the nervous system and the autotomic nervous system within that, it's like I see it like a river coming down as one, and there's like a safe or not safe, right? Safe is a the parasympathetic, gentle, wide river. I see it in my mind. It's easy for someone to get that. And I'm a hypnotist, I use metaphor quite a lot, right? Sure, it's a simple, wide, free-flowing river. It's nice and easy, calm and gentle. The the stress response, the sympathetic nervous system is sure, quick, let's get the freaking hell out of here, right? Um, just too much gone down, so it's just burst the banks.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Just burst the banks, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

And I wonder, and that's the way that I work with it. Um, and all I can tell you is I get the results. I can't necessarily tell you neurologically how that works. I've just described it actually, but by changing the messaging from unsafe to safe, you send less stuff down.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

And and I wonder, so you have a client in front of you, they say, I'm experiencing these symptoms, and yet I don't feel stressed. So when you do your work, are you talking to the subconscious? And what are you telling the subconscious?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I'm always talking to the subconscious. The key message, right? Is very simple. If we understand and if we believe that the amygdala's role is to keep us safe, right? The unconscious's role is to keep us safe. So it holds on to old programs that we're running, keep us safe. I get that. I might agree with it, but I get it. If that's the purpose and health is the ultimate safety and it's affecting health, then it's not doing its job. So, in essence, what I'm getting it to do is update its job spec, for want of a better term.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

I mean, something really simple. Uh you know, I I'll make a statement. Many people have heard me say this. It's the 28th of February 2026. Every single thing before today is over. You cannot go back to it even if you try it. The logical part of your brain knows that, but the emotional part of your brain does not. It's holding on to old patterns, old loops based on old programs that are happening effectively in your mind live, but they're in the past. And so since we're what I'm doing is I'm educating I'm educating the mind to bring it up to speed.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

And is it as simple as it's safe to let go now?

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Yes, the nervous system has patterns, and as humans, we don't want to be proved wrong. And I will have clients like that who do not want to be proved wrong. It's one of the reasons I started to work a lot with with the identity model of the world. Because if you try and change a behavior sometimes, but a bit like that poor me I described from the that from that book, Celeste Prophecy. Oh, yeah, I'm getting a value from getting the attention. So, oh, I don't want to actually let the behavior go now because if I do, I won't get that attention. So you have to change because trauma changes people, like over time, trauma changes people.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

And that's a tough thing. You mention identity to let go because trauma changes people, and it changes them into this new identity that they're now attached to. They're like, This trauma, you mentioned that victim energy. This trauma made me this person. I this is the person I know now, and I don't want to let go. And you mention the people that come into your office, they're like very this is my identity. So, what do you do to like wedge that identity off?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

I do in essence, I do two things. Um, the first thing I do is I remove any fear that it is a difficult thing for them to do. And I do that through a lot of story. I just said one of them about the Liverpool United game and its perception, everything is perception, everything before this moment in time is over. Um, and another couple, right? And they're all aimed at disarming any objections that this is difficult, I can never let go. And then the second thing that I do is I bring them back to a time before they had any of this. I in essence, now this is my adoption work coming in, right? Is and it's probably built on the work that I've seen David Snyder do, so it's built on on the stuff he's done. But um it is I bring them back to the essence of who they're about to become just before they come here. And in that state, their unlimited potential, their unlimited resources.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

If you think about a newborn baby, if they're hungry, what do they do? They scream, they want food. They don't go, oh, I've learned to be quiet, I can't speak here.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

Or I don't deserve food.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

They don't think like that. Right, we're not born like that. And even if you think about, you know, even if you think about by the time we're one or two, by the time we've learned to walk, we have showed untold resilience because we've fallen a hundred times or more, and we've got back up every time. We just forget that we weren't born walking, we weren't born talking. We are we have unlimited resources inside us, and we have confidence, we have resilience. We know we're good enough from you know, I'm hungry, I want to be fed, and I'm gonna scream and roar till you feed me. I don't care, you might be asleep, I don't care. Right, right. You know, so it's about tapping them back into that energy. So it's about not it's about changing the identity now. Now, one of the issues then becomes, and and uh this is one of the more complicated parts, is that people have got so used to a nervous system pattern that you can future pace continuously, but if someone goes back into the environment, they still need to continue with that, and they may not even know what they can become and who they want to become. So they're coming at it from the space they're at today, not where they might be. They may need to come back at this in six months' time, no, because they they've moved from here to here, and now they want to make a new decision about where the next leap is.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Right. Yeah, I guess that's one of my biggest fears as a hypnotist, seeing clients is they come in, they feel good for that moment. And then you mentioned releasing them back out into the wild. And my fear is that they're gonna look down and find their old pattern and be like, oh, well, I'll just use this.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

That's a risk, yeah. I'm working with trauma where it's where it's more deeply ingrained. I mean, I see people on average four times. And I don't apologize for that, that's the exact reason why.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Yeah. And we talked about that mind-body connection. I feel like there's something missing that a lot of our peers in the community are missing too, is that third thing. We could call this super.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

What do you want to call it?

SPEAKER_03 37:57

We got the unconscious. I feel like the unconscious lives in the body. And that there's there's and I believe there's a superconscious, a higher power, an energy, something you mentioned before software and hardware. So I'm thinking, okay, we also need electricity, that energy.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Quantum physics will call that the field.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

The field, yes. Yes. Uh, I saw someone else call it Pam Grote, I think, called it, or Pam Grot the field of possibility, FP.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Yeah, and that's what it def everything exists within that field. Everything. I mean, if you think of what what's the purpose of our reticular activating system, everything exists. We can see good, bad, neutral. All we have to do is look around us, and it points out what's important to us. So we'll just tap into what's important to us in that field, and tap into what we believe we're capable of.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

And what does that so that's attention? So you're looking at the possibilities with intention attention. Is that the mind? Is that our conscious, our conscious that's looking at the possibilities?

SPEAKER_00 39:05

A very interesting thing I do with all of my clients is I get them to imagine that they're maybe looking at a coffee window or something, you know, a big glass window that they're looking outside, they're drinking a cup of coffee. And there's thoughts and feelings outside the window. They're separate from them, they're just observing them, they're watching them, bringing close the ones they want and pushing away the ones they don't want. Now, I'm doing two things with that. I'm showing them they have the power of choice and they don't have to take stuff automatically. And I'm showing you different from your thoughts. I don't know the answer to that question. All I know is that we have Yeah, it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

It's fascinating to ponder because as you're talking about, I feel like that's how we're taught to meditate. So notice our thoughts as if they're clouds in the sky just going by. And it's we could choose to thought and believe whatever thought we want. We can believe I'm a good person, or we could believe I'm a bad person, whatever the thought might be. And part of me is conflicted about the word intuition, or about some people might say that still small voice. So our body has a voice that's encoded with the past, and that's how we I I'll call that the loud voice. It may be wrong and maybe right. But there's a still small voice coming from somewhere that's always right. Where's that voice come from?

SPEAKER_00 40:42

I don't know the answer. I mean, we have neurons in our brain, as we know. We have neurons in our heart, we have neurons in our gut, right? So we have neurons in three different parts of us. So our body does have an intelligence, an innate intelligence inside it. No questions asked. Um, and the Harvard Math Institute, you know, where they they've done stuff we do as hypnotists all the time, but they've done a three-minute meditation where you go into three pictures of appreciation from your mind, where you're inside it. We use it for a future pacing to create the feeling to um, you know, um, and that that harmonizes heart and brain. Um, I don't know where that voice is. I'd be lying if I did. I'm loath to go down that it's soul energy, I because I couldn't tell you for sure. Um I don't think any of us will ever know until until our last breath or beyond it, and then even then we may never know. I mean, for instance, you could take the uh you know the Hindu version of the world, which is that you just float around, find a body, and jump into another one, you know, until you've done so many lives that you go to nirvana or or whatever it is. Um, I don't know the answer to that.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

It's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

I think, yeah, but I think it shows that we have choice. But choice comes from what we're comfortable with. So if you're to accept the feeling of something that would be a stretch for you, all right, whatever that might be, right? And if you were to see yourself doing that, whether it's you know, a week from now, a month from now, whatever, your body's got to be familiar with that feeling. If there's any obstacles in there, you're gonna feel it.

SPEAKER_03 42:39

And how do we remove those obstacles?

SPEAKER_00 42:44

By underpinning, by understanding what the cause of that is, or but just by listening to it. Sometimes it just goes away without because ultimately the way I look at that is that's the body doesn't feel safe in that environment. Now you can future pace it, that's what we do as hypnosis, we future pace it a lot, so we get the body familiar with the new feeling. Often we will have to address that thing of, but that's serving me for a purpose, and I'm not letting it go yet. Now that's what we're doing on one hand, because we're doing that and we're future pacing on the other hand, so we're creating that, I suppose, balance of yin and yang, we're we're getting rid of the old, putting in the new. Um, and we're doing it continuously. The thing about when people have, I suppose, ingrained patterns that are there so long that they do have to be revisited because old patterns will, and even if the old pattern is gone by the time someone leaves your office, there may well be a trigger that can re kick that back off again.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

I'm just letting it soak in the serendipity of it all. Because I'm reading, I don't know if you've heard of the Course in Miracle, Course in Miracles. It's heard of it. I've never read it. Yeah. And there's a part of it where it's it's a workbook of 365 days. And every day is this phrase. You just meditate on it. And today, for me, is day six, and it's this object of it, it only has meaning because it's I'm looking at it from past perspective. So like a cup, for instance, right? The only reason I know what it is is because what I've learned from the past about it. Like if I drop it, I know it'll break. If I it I know that it holds liquid because of my past encoding, it's kind of trippy.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

And I mean, there's an interesting thing, and many people will do this, whether they do it consciously or not. Um, but it's the scientific scientific principles of first principle that you want to get from A to B. And just because we have been doing it this way all of the time, doesn't mean that we have to go that same way to get there. We can use a different vehicle, we can use a different fuel, we can find a different road, we can take a different motor transport. We don't have to be stuck as humans, we tend to be in everything.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

And it takes people to look at it from a different perspective and consider the possibilities within that. I love it. I mean, an interesting thing is that you know, if you can look at yourself in a 360-degree angle, if you could see yourself from every angle, you would then see all the possibilities of every circumstance that you're about to come. So anything that you were about to do, you know, there are there is techniques where you could think of say something that you've got to do, right? And it's a month from now, right? And you're going, oh god. Yes. You know, you can get into that now, you can see yourself, and you can look at every possible scenario of that. And just get comfortable with it. So you can choose the one that you want then in terms of which path will take you there. You know, if I don't deal with my anxiety, yes, that's going to be a nerve-wracking experience. So I'm going to deal with my anxiety now. Because I want to be the confident me on the stage or whatever it is I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

Right. I love this. Uh, I want to talk more about F and D and your results there. And first, you mentioned this Institute, Heart Something Institute.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

It's a math institute.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Heart Math?

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Math, yeah, it's American.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Heart Math Institute.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

I don't know why, I've never heard of it. Like, I'm into like Joe Dispensa and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

And how do you they would be very familiar with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Um, yeah, I mean, they've studied the heart and they've discovered the heart communicates with the brain four times more than the other way around.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

That is sure is.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

Because I always assumed that was the other way around. Like the heart, the brain communicates with the heart. Right. Yeah, it's the other way around.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

The the heart has more communication power with the brain than the other way around.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

So the heart sees.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Feels.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Feels. Okay, so this is deep stuff.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Like say heart-brain coherence, which is one of the things that you know will be pushed today in terms of um balancing heart and brain, you measure you measure it through your breath, through various other pieces, there are devices that will do it basically. But what they've pretty much discovered is there's a scale, and forgive me for not knowing the exact details of each and every percentage of the scale now. But that if at 50% your heart and brain are fully coherent, right? Um, and as you move, I think it's maybe 20-25% either side of that, you know, your body and mind are still fine. But when you go one way, there's physical effects, the other way there's emotional effects. So hard brain coherence is actually a really good step in emotional regulation.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

It's interesting how you're talking about either way, because at least in American traditions, like, well, if 50% is good, then I'm gonna go 75%, 80%, but then you're starting to tilt.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

And you want to be 50, because that's where that's where perfection in heartbrand coherence is, as I understand it. But yeah, somebody can check out the details and correct me on that if I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

It's it's funny because before we started recording this, I just briefly mentioned it because I was reading the Dao Di Ching before this, and yet you continue to mention the Dao Di Ching without reading it. You mentioned the yin and the you mentioned the 50, it's all about that middle way, and it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

It's about the practical way, and it's based on what I see. I mean, the human mind and human body have an amazing ability to heal, an amazing ability to do so many different things, and we just limit ourselves so much by patterns and beliefs and expectations, and I mean, I see it with the F and D stuff all the time where Caesars just stop. Yeah, they're gradual, right? I'm not saying well, sometimes they do just stop, but if you think about the fact that you know your immune system has been healing you all your life, colds, cuts, blues, bruises. Um, it's an absolute superpower. Yet we give it away to medication, we give it second place to someone else's opinion. Um, and my job is to tap into people's immune system and to get it to work with all the various systems, like the nervous system, like the neurological system, like the heart, the brain, the gut. That's what I'm ultimately doing is I'm parts therapy in a medical type sense, if you want to call it that, whatever. But it is about structuring it in a way that allows the mind and body to function in the best interests of the essence that holds it.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

And I'm glad you brought back the F and D because that's a large part of what drove me into hypnosis, is because I work at the VA hospital with blind patients, and there's a certain type of blindness that's functional. So their eyes work, yet through past trauma or perhaps a traumatic brain injury, the brain says, No, you can no longer see again. So, like I saw some bad, and then at the VA it's mostly like military. And so they're at war, they see some tragic stuff, and the brain says, Nope, don't want to see that ever again. And so they essentially are blind. And yet, and as a former preacher, you mentioned your religious background, the words of this guy named Jesus echo in my head, these works in greater shall you do. And I'm sitting in the church, I'm looking around, like, okay, where are the blind being given their sight back? Where are the lame being walking? Where are the people having seizures able to stop their seizures? It's not happening in the church, but yet here you are.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

Well, I mean, I'm only literally working with people's unconsciousness to help them to do that. They're the ones who do the work. I mean, I'm privileged to do it, and be honest. Right. Um, they're the ones who do that work. My job is to help them to feel safe enough to allow that to happen, and that's the the hypnotist skill. I suppose it's the logical approach that I use. I treat the body as a garden. And if you think about a garden, if you have a garden that the soil is healthy, then things will grow. But if you let weeds in that garden, it's gonna strangle the good, it's gonna you know, gonna ruin the view, it's gonna, you know, so the object is, and for me, it's the serotonin and oxytocin that provide all that fuel. And the dopamine in the right amounts, right? You know, um that that's the driver, that's what gets us out of bed, that's what does the stuff, but it can also be pushed too far into the addiction type stuff and overdoing stuff, but um which then leads to the stress. So it's really focusing on one of the key things I will tell people is actually feeling good is good for your health, and I'll explain it, I'm I'll scientifically back it up. It's not just a stupid statement, it's an actual in my mind, it's a real fact. Feeling good is good for your health because it allows your cells in your body to work to their optimum, allows your immune system. The other side of it is that when you're in a place of inner peace, inner calm, your immune system can work better. When it's a stress, your immune system has to fight the stress first.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

I love this so much, man. I love how you mentioned that.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

All I'm doing, literally doing, is working with the clients. That's what I am doing. Is it's the client that's doing the healing. I I mean, my very first F and D case, I think she was having three, five F and D seizures every day or six non-epileptic seizures. Most of the medics hadn't heard of it. Most she go into the hospital and they're like, she's having an epileptic fit. No, she wasn't. It just looks like it. Hers was all trauma-based. In three sessions, it was gone. It doesn't mean it doesn't come back in severe stress from time to time, but it's just one session, one phone call, actually, and and she's fine again. Um, but medically there was no solution for her. And the approach is talk therapy. That's what people recommend talk therapy and physiotherapy. That's it, right?

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Or medicine, um trying different medicines to see if it yeah, but there is no medicine for this, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:47

I don't think they have any, they have little bits of stuff, but it's nothing of any consequence. Um, it really is talk therapy, and they've moved away from saying that they know there's a stress response because when somebody has a high stress, even so if you have if you were diagnosed with FND or if you were having seizures or ticks or whatever it might be, and you go through a high period of stress, there is a much more increased likelihood that you're going to have more episodes of it, right? So they know stress was a signal in the body for the nervous system to react in that way. I've always viewed it that stress was the actual is the primary cause behind it. That's not a generally accepted view in the medical world, right? But it only makes logical sense to me because everybody accepts the nervous systems at play, and we understand the nervous system works on a safety-unsafety basis. So if it's safe, it won't do that. Right. So therefore it's unsafe, and that signal comes from the brain, which is based on past experiences. So if we can reframe the past experiences, let the emotion of it go. Other people might do things like this. Um, neuroplasticity teaches us that if something happens, we do X, right? We run brain patterns in our head. And if we can release the negative emotion, we can change the pattern. I'm doing the same thing in a different form of words, right?

SPEAKER_03 56:29

And how did that person, you've never done F and D before, so how did this person say, Hey John, can you help me? How did they find you?

SPEAKER_00 56:37

Social anxiety, how did you find she had social anxiety? That's what I was there for. And then you found out because she did tell me that she had not epileptic seizures. I had never experienced one before, and I just went, What happens if you do? And then she told me, just to leave her play it out, basically. Um and it did happen, and my heart was a memo, absolutely, yeah. Um, the very first time. No, I see them. I won't say I see them very frequently, but I see them often enough. Um, and it comes in so many different forms. I mean, for some people it lasts days, days. Some people's memory go completely, they go into absence seizures and they'll walk around the room and they'll have no memory of it. It's so many different ways it lends itself. Um, and some people have multiple seizures, different types absent, non-epileptic, falling. See, they fall. It's like it's weird.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Then I wonder how do we get in partnership with the medical community?

SPEAKER_00 57:52

I don't know the answer to that question because in Ireland it really is that they use the psychotherapy model all the time, as much as I'm trying to help to change that. I've had clients in Australia who've all spoken to their neurologists and they've been in touch in terms of stuff like that. Not so much from the states, but um yeah, it is a case of I suppose just continuing to show one of the problems that the medical profession would have, and I and I can do understand this, is that, and I suppose it's an issue for the profession to be fair, right? And it's it's an issue for me if I organize myself, but it um it's a complete resources issue, is that there's different skill levels in hypnotists, everybody's different, so there's no guarantee of the same experience, right? And if you were to scientifically evidence everything that I've done, I'd need a lot of time and resources, which I don't have.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Right, and it's hard because we're constantly changing in our energy. You mentioned these energies before. How can you measure that? Or even Reiki, how can you measure one Reiki practitioner in a hospital versus another? Like they're different, you don't know completely different, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Yeah, I mean you can do that, I suppose, like in any profession by I suppose the training that they've got. Um I don't know of that many. I'm still I'm literally trying to wrap my head around how many people would actually focus on mind-body training from a therapy perspective. We will do it in terms of the standard approach of you know, here's how to hypnotize, here's parts therapy, here's blah blah blah. Right, here's how to here's a script for Voken, here's a script for weight loss, here's a script for black. Yeah. Um, and I'm not a huge fan of scripts, um, purely because no two clients will be the same that will walk in here, none. Um, and I mean, if I use the script in most of my sessions, I wouldn't my clients don't talk most of the time, they don't need to because their body tells me everything that needs to happen. And the second thing is that with severe trauma, you just don't know what's coming next. So if you don't get the principles behind it that you can adapt and adjust, you're in trouble. You know, and the client's gonna lose rapport, lose, lose faith in you that you can help. Um, I don't know if there's too many training schools. I mean, I have started to train people in F and D for that exact reason to work behind to get the difference behind it, not just to know if that happens, you do A, B, C, D, E. Okay, that's just made up of X, Y, and a Z. Now, here's a multitude of tools that we can use, and we're gonna have to figure out which one, and there's no guarantee of success with each one, it's your own your own awareness and knowledge and rapport with the client.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

Uh, it's a yeah, and that's so it's very different, yeah, than take a tablet or whatever it might be, which is the medical professional exactly, exactly. And I I want to loop back because the garden metaphor. I love that. It's it's Christ-like, it's also Ericksonian-like.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

The garden one of the interesting things I remember the first time I ever did breath work. And I do it quite a bit now, but I used to do a lot more of it. Um, now I do kind of whim half breathing, which is the 15-minute or you know, three or four minute sessions at a time. That time it was like an hour-long breathwork session. I think I did two or three hours subsequently. It's shamanic, it's holographic holotropic or whatever they call it. But I remember the very first time I did it, and I think it was about half an hour into that, and my body went into convulsions on the floor. So it was breathwork to music, and it was fast, low, fast, low, fast low.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Um, so you were changing the tone of it all the time and the rhythm in which I was breathing. And my body went into convulsions on the floor. That was it, it took me, I didn't know what was happening at the time. Thankfully, the person who was organizing it was kind of there to sit with me and go relax, you know, you're all right. Um, but literally, I was having a fit. I uncontrollable can, you know, shaking on the floor, um, which I now know what it is, but at the time I didn't. Um and it showed me the power of the breath in the body. It also led me to believe yes, this is one of those moments where I know my mind and my body are absolutely connected, and I have a strong sense that I'm letting go of all traumas in this moment. I didn't know what they were, yeah, but I let them go.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

It's fascinating you mentioned the breath work because I was just reading a book by a medical doctor who spent years in the emergency room, and he was trained as a hypnotist, and they did a study where if the emergency room doctor just matched the breathing pattern of the patient, their outcomes would be better. Just as simple exercise as that instant rapport, just matching the breathing patterns, and it's just fascinating. Uh, and I want to talk about the garden, and you mentioned about psychotherapy, and in using the garden metaphor, but there you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

We go with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

Yeah, in the in the garden metaphor, we understand talking to the subconscious, you're planting seeds and getting rid of weeds. So, what are psychotherapy doing? Are they just sitting there with the magnifying glasses looking at the weeds?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

Yeah. Let's study the weeds. There's two things that psychotherapy do that I fundamentally disagree with. Firstly, they're using the left hemisphere of the brain, and where it is is in the right hemisphere. It's not in the left hemisphere of the brain. Most of what it is, is that we don't need to, we're not talking directly to the part where it is. It is not 2026 in that part of the brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:28

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

Right. So that makes it harder to get to, and often it's go back to the the times that you can remember. Well, like if we can get to the first one and just clear it, the whole bloody foundation falls. Now you still have the nervous system, muscle memory, all that kind of stuff. Fine, but you've taken out the the cause effectively. Um, the other thing is that when you talk about a trauma, when you relive a memory, you reinforce it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

You reinforce it. I would often think about again, metaphor, here we go, but if you had a patch of grass, that's funny because I was just thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

That well, as you're saying, the metaphor pops my head.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:22

Yeah. And you go from A to B, you know, from one end of the garden to the other, and you walk the same path all the time, what's gonna happen? You're gonna wear the grass, eventually they'll just be earth, and if it rains, like here, there'll be muck. Yeah. When you go, when you use a talk therapy approach, that's what you're actually doing. Us, what we do is we address the emotion behind it. So, like for instance, if I'm working with people and I do it all the time, but I use three levels of disassociation before I do anything, anything specific. I will use the three levels of dissociation to um to create a distance so that it's not live, it's not real. And you deal with the emotion behind that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

What do you mean by three levels? Because it like in NLP terms, I've heard of two levels of disassociation. So how how do you do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

So something very simple, like if I'm hypnotizing somebody and then I'll bring them down a flight of stairs to a beach or whatever it might be, right? And then I'll get them to do something in that, and then I'll bring them somewhere else, and then I'll bring them somewhere else, and then I will deal with the specifics. Now, you know, I find that with people with deep trauma work, it works very well, because when we hold on to, I'm trying to figure the best way to describe this. Okay, if you were to think of a shadow, right? If you're to think of yourself, say, on this uh standing on the street with a light behind you, the shadow will stretch out very far in front of you, but you're not actually as big as the shadow. Right, right. When the unconscious is running that old pattern based on a version of you that no longer exists, it seems like it's that big shadow. Big shadow, yeah. Fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

So it's to do that, it's to remove that big shadow effect.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

That's brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

It's a technique I learned, I can't remember where I learned, but I think it was Mike Mandel, actually. It was one of those I've just used it and turned it in.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Yeah. It's funny seeing it come out in different patterns because Mike teaches that. And then um, I'm thinking like nowadays Adam Cox uses metaphors, the inception movie model, the metaphor within the metaphor.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

Yeah, I mean, I think I remember the first one I ever heard done was was Mike did a he talked about a train journey and he went off somewhere else because it was raining, and then he was slowing in Australia, and then he I can't even remember what that was, and then he just drops it in the middle and then works his way back.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

Yeah, yeah. That was the keynote. I want to say, yeah, the nested loops, I want to say it was his keynote speech of Hitness Thoughts Live in 2014 or something like that. He gave like a whole speech, his entire nested loop metaphor, brilliant, and even his his like journey to the castle. I don't know if you've ever heard that, his his remote. Yeah, that thing I've never gotten through it without forgetting all of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:56

It took me a while, but it did eventually.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:59

Okay, um, in just a moment for everyone, John here will give us a little hidden on a gift, uh a light induction, some positive suggestions, or something like that for you. And I wonder before we get there, John, is there anything that you in your heart you would like to let the whole world know in this moment?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

Um the power that your unconscious has to create the life that you want, and it's about stepping in and trusting yourself in any moment. Is ultimately the gift that all of us have if we learn to tap into it properly. I mean, if you were to ask me even 10 years ago, would I be doing this and would I be speaking to you and would I be running conferences or would I be training people from all over the world, I would have looked at you and went, no, not a chance. Um and as a hypnotist, if anyone's watching this and they are hypnotists, use your own skills on yourself. Tap into the resources and the resource pools that you have around you so that you can do energy exchanges and help other people create their life and you create yours. I mean, that's we have a set of skills that we can use, we don't always use it on ourselves, and for me, congruence is a big thing. Uh, it's very important that I feel competent and not just competent, but confident enough to do the job that I that I want to do. That means that I do the continuous work on myself on confidence and identity and all that kind of stuff. And I do it every morning. Um, because if I don't, you know, yeah, life control curveballs, but we just create the way we keep going. And I like to use the skills that I have, and I have a pool of people around me. We do energy exchanges all the time based on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:06

So I love it. Thank you so much. And for and we'll for everyone listening, watching, we'll put your links onto your website because you have a lot going on. You got trainings, like you mentioned, the conferences, and you have a wall of certificates behind you.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:23

And yeah, I'm training on FD at the end of the middle of March, four days, four days in March, two weekends, last two weekends, and then I have the airship and therapy conference in end of April. Yeah, that's for now. And next weekend that'll be in Denmark. So there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

We love it. Lots of good stuff. All right, and now for a little delight, uh, anyone that's listening or watching, uh, if you would like to participate, I would recommend that you find a comfortable spot where you might not be disturbed for just a little while. Make sure that you're safe, comfortable, and ready for whatever happens next.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:02

Okay, cool. But just allow your eyes to close. And just as you allow your eyes to close, just take a deep breath. And just exhale it slowly. And just feel the chair that's supports you right now, feel the surface that supports you. Just be aware of be aware of the sounds you hear. Just even be aware of the light behind your eyes right now. And just noticing that you're drifting inwards with thoughts or feelings or images that you're just observing. You're just looking at them. You may know they're there and you may see them. Whatever way it is. And just as you look at them I just wonder if you can see those thoughts. You can just observe them. Are you really those thoughts? Are they you? Are you separate from them? Are you both? You can let your mind think about that while it now becomes aware you're happy. Even the rise and fall of your breathing. Even the sensations that you're feeling in your body. When you're moving down to a place just of pure peace. I'm gonna count from ten to one. And one just allow yourself to be on a beautiful white sandy beach. Just for a moment, just a private alcove that's just yours. Ten. Every step down just brings you deeper and deeper. Nine. Just drifting and dreaming. Eight. Just being aware of the presence of a beach. Seven. The smell of sea air. Six. Just allowing yourself to drift even deeper. Five. The feeling of your feet on the steps. Four. Maybe notice the lapping of the waves. Three. Almost there. Two. Just stepping onto that beach. Just imagine for a moment. A warm summer sun. And all I want you to do is just allow yourself to sit on that part of the beach, the soft sandy part. Just watch the waves. Just notice that as you watch them they come in. And notice they go longer than they come in. Notice they'll take with them grains of sand. Just notice that as they're doing that your breath is harmonizing with those waves. In every exhale is like that tie taking with a grains of sand. Every exhale is just letting go of any weight that you've been carrying, any weight on your mind, any emotions that you no longer need to carry anymore. Just notice in that part of the sand near the water where you know the tide's gonna reach. Your mind is just placing words now, anything that you need to release. Those words may be whatever it is for you stress or tension. Maybe the names of people. Maybe places maybe memories. Anything that just allows your mind to feel lighter. And while that's happening, you know the tide's gonna take those words away. That's what the tide does as it comes in and goes out every time it comes out takes with it grams of sand. And just as you're sitting there absorbing that summer sun just imagine for a moment that sun is pure perfect health that's flowing into the top of your head right now. A sense of health and calm into both hemispheres. Sense of presence of today's day that just allows you to be present here now. Connecting to health, connecting to calm. Flowing into your forehead and your prefrontal cortex and your emitting. Flowing down to your brain stem. Down into your neck. Down into your truth and your shoulders and your arms and hands. And flooding down into your heart and lungs. Just health. Flooding into every nerve and cell. Into your stomach, your gut to your hips and thighs, to your knees, and it's just pushing out any old energies, any old emotions trapped in your body. It's just pushing them all the way down into that sand. Through your ankles, through your feet, pushing everything down, a continuous motion of calm and health that's flooding through you. From this day, from today's day. Pushing out all trapped emotions that no longer are necessary, that were from a different time. And that health that can just filled with a vitality, but a zest for life. And you can feel that zest for life start to just expand, get stronger and stronger inside you. Stronger and stronger. And as it gets stronger, that feeling of health and calm just expands you. That's a peace of inner safety, inner peace, inner calm, inner health. It's stronger and stronger. And that zest for life, that joy, that happiness just begins to expand. And just for a moment, just imagine that every moment of joy and happiness and success that you've ever experienced is flooding with you right now. It's flooding into your memory right now. And it's filling your memory banks with all those moments of joy and happiness and success. Every moment that you've ever experienced, all the energies of those moments right now. And there's a feeling in your body that goes with that. There's an origin source to that feeling. And on one, two, three, it just explodes through you now. It just fills the hemispheres of your brain, floods down to your brainstem, through your nervous system, into your gut, your heart, your throat, back into your forehead, through your hemispheres, down to your brainstem. It causes a river of happiness, of excitement, of joy, of zest that flows through you, success. And it only gets better. It only gets better. But as that happens, you begin to notice that tide has gone back in. The words that were there, they're gone. There's washed away. And you're about to run up those ten steps to a you that's waiting, who's happy, healthy, and just ready to get on but have an amazing day. One and two, see that smile on your face. Three and four, shoulders back, head up, five and six, radiating out, seven and eight a twinkle in your eye, nine and ten, just merge with them and be in. And whenever you're ready, let your eyes open, feel absolutely grammy.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:28

Welcome back, everyone. Oh man, that was great, and I wonder every time you do that, do you go on the journey as well? Are you the journey? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:42

But it's the journey I do myself every day as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:46

I mean, it is a self-hypnosis exercise that I do with myself. And that I feel like it's that first level of disassociation or dissociation. I often use the mixing numbers of 10 and 1 and 92. I do that so it can there's an internal confusion that happens when I do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:03

I love that. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much. And anyone that's interested, please check out John's website for all the incredible things that he's doing. And of course, if you feel called with F and D or anything else, definitely reach out to him because it works. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

All right.