Hugh Comerford: Hümmo Method & Mastering the Patterns of Human Perception

In this episode of AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe, Ryan is joined by Hugh Comerford, the director of NLP Centres Canada and a trainer with over 30 years of experience. Hugh shares his remarkable journey from being a housebound agoraphobic to becoming an expert in Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP), a transformation that began in a small apartment on the "wrong side of the tracks" in Montreal.

The conversation dives deep into the heart of NLPWORKS, Hugh's training program that prioritizes "depth over shortcuts". Hugh explains that true NLP mastery isn't about memorizing scripts; it’s about training your nervous system to calibrate and respond to people in real-time. They discuss the "Hümmo Method™," Hugh's approach to unconscious communication, and his philosophy that if a technique isn't "Monday-morning usable," it doesn't make the cut.

Whether exploring his background as a Certified Innovation Facilitator for multinational corporations or his work helping individuals overcome deep-seated trauma, Hugh provides a grounded, ethical, and refreshingly "fluff-free" look at how we can rewrite the programs of our own minds.

Key Takeaways & Meaningful Quotes

• "I remember the day—I was looking out the window of a third-floor apartment in a really rough part of Montreal, and I realized that the only thing keeping me in that room was the story I was telling myself about what would happen if I stepped outside."
• "People think NLP is about 'doing' something to someone else, but the real magic is in the calibration. If you aren't actually seeing and hearing the person in front of you, you're just talking to a ghost of your own making."
• "My 'Monday Morning' rule is simple: If you can't take what we did in the training room and use it to solve a real problem or help a real person by the time the sun comes up on Monday, then it's just intellectual entertainment."

How to Connect and Work with Us

Connect with Hugh Comerford:

Hugh offers comprehensive 120-hour NLP Practitioner and Master Practitioner certifications that blend Classical, New Code, and 3rd Generation NLP.

Website: nlpworks.com

Training Details: NLP Practitioner Certification

Work with Ryan DeJonghe:

Ready to explore your own transformation through hypnosis and NLP?

Website: trancewell.help

Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Welcome everyone. We have another special guest today, Mr. Hugh Comerford. Welcome Hugh.

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Hey, nice to see you.

SPEAKER_04 0:10

For everyone, uh he is the head and the director of NLP centers in Canada. And he's been doing this for a long, long time.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

What do you say?

SPEAKER_04 0:21

Well, I know that and the reason I ran into Hugh is on the hypnotherapy message boards. Hugh always comes in. I might ask a question way over here. I might ask a question way over here. And Hugh always seems to know what he's talking about. You know, people will answer and they'll just answer whatever they want, but Hugh actually gives some reasoning to what he answers. So thank you for being here, Hugh.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

You're welcome. And there's a reason for that, is because the questions that you ask, there's um there's something behind them. And what's behind the questions you ask is usually a really interesting kernel. There's something, there's a core, interesting piece back there.

SPEAKER_05 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

And so I recognize that core piece, and I'm speaking to this piece. I'm not speaking to this, I'm speaking to what's really going on. Um, and yes, thank you for pointing out I've been doing this for an enormously long time. Um I can I'll I'll just contextualize. Um, I got into NLP because uh cognitive behavioral therapy failed me, or I failed it. I had 30 sessions, and you're supposed to graduate after 10 because I was a housebound agoraphobic. I couldn't leave my tiny, horrific apartment, and I ended up stumbling into this crazy stuff called neurolinguistic programming. I read all of the books, and then on one of the books on the very back cover, it said there were seven places on earth where you could get trained in this, and one of them was a two-hour drive from where I was. So I borrowed a car, I had to have it delivered because I couldn't take public transit, and I commuted and took this crazy course, and it it did what nothing else could do. And I was intrigued. Um, I was good to have in the room, so my trainer kept inviting me back, and so I would be like, Hey, I have nine people, can you make it 10 sort of thing? And so I just kept going, going, going, going, going. And then I did master practitioner, then I did I bought the company, and uh I've been doing that since the last century.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Yeah, that's a good way to phrase it last century, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Yeah, if you want it, if you want it to seem really old. Um, you asked me a question the other day, or you actually wrote something. You no, you asked uh about a course in miracles, yes, yes, right, and I thought that this would be a fun story to tell. Yeah, is um is uh the the I I've been hearing about Course in Miracles for a thousand years, or 1100. And um the book is very opaque, it's very impenetrable, it's like you could read every entry, and it's 365 entries, you know, one per day. You could read them and read them and read them and and never really get into it, never, you know, when there are groups all over North America, all over wherever of people who sit there and puzzle over this thing called the Course in Miracles. And uh there's an author who I have kind of a passing uh friendship with, yes, named Pam Pam Groat. And Pam, and I've been emailing Pam for years, and she's been emailing back. And um, in the in the latest troubles between the US and Canada, she actually sent me a message and said, Look, this is just crazy times for all of us, you know, whatever. Oh, we have she knows my name. I know her name, but we're not friends, but we're kind of we're acquaintances. And a few years ago, she started to put on Facebook, she would put uh an interpretation of A Course in Miracles, and she would do a day, but she would do her take on that, and then she did it again. And I wrote her a message and I said, Pam, you should really turn this. This has to be your next book.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

And I and I completely forgot about it. And about six months ago, I I uh I sent her a message and I said, Hey, I'm I'm listening to you. I have your head in my ear while I drive. I bought the audio version, I'm listening to I can't remember what 156 or whatever it was. And I said, I have it on repeat because it's such a poignant message. And she wrote back and she said, Yeah, I love that. Thanks for reminding me. And she said, and by the way, you're the one who got me to do this. I'm like, was that me?

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:44

So that's cool. You know, arguably, I may or may not be responsible for that book.

SPEAKER_04 4:50

It's interesting her take on it too, because so there's the woman that got the message, and then there's the man that transcribed. And the man that transcribed basically said what Pam took off on is that there's certain things that they don't resonate with you. RSO, rip that sucker out. Right. And then so I'm on currently day 15, and the last three days have been RSO days for Pam. So I have no idea. Like, I'm reading it, The Course of Miracles, and then her version side by side. And then so I'm like, oh, what does this mean? I go to Pam's version. It's like, I'm not even gonna talk about it. I'm just gonna talk about this time I went on the trip with the top chefs people.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Yeah, yeah. She's her her whole origin story is quite fascinating because she's very woo adjacent.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Right? I love that term woo adjacent.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Yeah. She's she's not full bore nutty woo-woo. Yeah, she's kind of she she has a foot in that world, but she also has she's well tethered to what she what she terms is the prev the prevalent reality. You know, what is the thing that pulls us into powerlessness is probably how she might put it.

SPEAKER_04 6:05

Yeah, and then her other it's like the prevalent reality and then the field of possibilities, like she balances those. Yeah, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

And actually, it's funny when when before before the show, you were saying, What are we gonna talk about? Like, how the hell do I know? Yeah, because I I play in this kind of sandbox of of possibility, and it occurs to me. So here's here's a fun story. In 19 last century, late last century, when I was recovering from agoraphobia, and this is this is woo adjacency. My uh a friend of mine said, Hey, there's uh she a friend of mine was doing this like hyper woo-woo training where she was going to be some sort of like a mega woo-woo whatever. She was being taught all of the modalities, and she said, Hey, this is a guy coming to my school this weekend, and he uh cures people who have cancer. He actually cured himself of cancer. You should go see him. And I said, You know something about my health that I right, right? And she said, No, no, no, just just go, he'll amuse you. So I go, I go, because Saturday morning, what the hell? And there's this guy who is just, I mean, like, who's the healer? Where's the healer? And it's this older bearded dude with black socks and birkin stocks and shorts and a rumpled shirt. And I'm like, Yeah, oh, you're not on my bingo card. And so I go into a room, he I lie down on a massage table. I don't know protocol, like, what's what's the I'm here with a healer, what's the protocol? So I'm staring up his nose as he putting his hands by my shoulders. He puts his hands by my ears, and he says to me, Have a nice trip with a big thin French Canadian accent. And I was like, Screw off. And I floated right down into this weird space between sleep and awake, just by him putting his hands there. Fast stayed there, stayed there for 45 minutes. He came back, he did the thing again. He said, Okay, you're done. I paid him my 40 bucks. Yeah, and I was like a little kid on the first day of summer vacation for three weeks. Wow, and it was like, I want more of this. Long, long, long story short. Uh, I just finished the book on my modeling project that took me 10 years to complete, which is based on taking NLP and figuring out what it was that he was doing. Uh, and I never did figure it out, but I found another way to to replicate his results, and and that's what this is.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Oh, yeah, that's why ask.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

Yeah, the humo method.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

HUMO, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

So humo is a made-up word, it's a long story, but I found I found a way that I can approximate his um his healing. And he's he's like he's a unicorn, he's magical, he's whatever. I'm not, I'm a dull normal. Um, but yeah, but I I I tripped over this way during lockdown, this this pathway, and I've tested it over on about a hundred people, and the results are nuts. Like I, you know, here I'm the I'm the originator. No, they're nuts. It's just crazy how awesome and and prevalent.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

I'm I'm almost wondering if the key to unlock that is Birkenstocks. Like if I just go buy a pair of is that and and the black socks, right? Right.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

But they have to be halfway up your calf.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Okay, okay. And a wrinkled shirt. I got that down already.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

You got you got the shirt? Yeah, your shirt's a little busy. You might want to pull it down. Get a little older, get a thick accent, grow a beard. Yeah, but okay, uh yeah. That so that's um what are you seeing?

SPEAKER_04 9:58

You said you you've seen about 100 people with this humomethod. So do you do the hands by the ears and having that? Okay, so tell me more.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

No, it's the uh that's the best part. Um, I'm not necessary to the the it's it's a self-serve model. You don't need so I I teach it to someone, and then the someone applies it to themselves. And there's there's a lot of NLP framing to it. Here, I'll I'll give you the what I believe is the key ingredient.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Okay, I love this.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Okay. Um do you have any what? Do you have any afflictions right now? Do you have any mental, emotional, physical, or spiritual issues going on in your life right now? You don't have to say what it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:50

And for the sake of the audience, I'll say it. Like for me, it's balancing these hands again, right? Balancing what do you call it? The prevalent reality with a field of possibility. So, what for me is the money as a practitioner? Like, I want to help, and there's still a little bit of guilt of asking for money. Got it.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

Well, here's here's gonna be some garden variety in LP. If you push your consciousness into that space of guilt, where does that show up in your body? Because there's typically there's an inside-outside representation, yeah, yeah, it's the gut, and the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

When I'm worried about finances, it's the same place.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Cool. So um, how how far beneath the skin is it if you knew that spot?

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Two inches. I got a lot more skin these days, but that's fine, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

And so the these in in NLP we call these submodalities. In humo, we call these humodalities.

SPEAKER_04 11:59

Nice, nice. Got a little T in behind that.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Of course. So, how what color is it? Uh we don't we don't have to be the dead horse, it's got a yeah, yeah. As we as so I ask you the question, and you like, how the how it's kind of blue, how what shape is it? It's kind of oval, right? So, what we're doing is we're creating, and this is what I this is something that I came up with in NLP training. If you say I have uh this guilt about uh charging, right? And the guilt is enmeshed with Ryan. Ryan and we don't know where Ryan ends and the guilt starts, right? If you go in the center of the guilt, it's just all guilt, but at the edges, right, there's a little bit of Ryan. Yeah, okay. You you get enmeshed with it by uh teasing out the the physical perceptual aspects of it, what we do is we make it it. It's something I call it.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

When we make it it, uh we gain agency over it. When it is enmeshed with us physiologically, psychologically, we have no agency, and it's it's right. So I mean, if you think of um of a pain you have, yeah, you can concentrate on the pain and you can make it worse, right, right. But but because it's it's part of you, right? If you make it it, right, it's it it has a different existence, it's no longer enmeshed, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:43

And it's like you have control over it, and I get that from an NLP perspective, and I'm wondering what the difference between that and humo.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

Ah, well, this is I'm leading you up to humo.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

Okay, I'm getting I'm ready, brother. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

So the so I'm I'm I'm contemplating. Do I give you the whole meal deal? Because there are aspects of humo that are that require an enormous amount of explanation, but because and that's why it's a training. But if I back down, if I just say very simply put, if you have an affliction, you concentrate on that affliction, you have a sore knee, you concentrate on the knee, knee gets worse, but we don't have a mechanism to make it better. Our concentration is an inflammatory um function, right? When we focus on our pain, our pain expands. Right. What's the opposite of pain? Uh, lack of pain, right? There's a lack, it's it's not super compelling for me when I was um when I was agoraphobic, panic is a thing, man. Right, right. The absence of panic is nothing.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

The word that comes to my mind is freedom. So, like there's always when you take something away, you gotta get something else. And then so in my mind, you're talking about agoraphobia, I'm thinking the freedom to just go outside and breathe.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Which is the scariest thing, if you're in, right? But the the the thing that I'm saying is that panic has some sort of ex existential corporeality around it, you know when you're panicking, right? Freedom is kind of this range of uh, you know, I'll know it when I see it. And it doesn't, it doesn't have like a tight definitional box around it like panic does. So, and then that's the case with all affliction. That the problem with with affliction, the problem with overcoming something is its opposite is mundane compared to the drama of the affliction. And therefore, humans have a hard time. Um we we have a hard time overcoming things because what it requires is us to not pay attention. And so that's the that's the weird um the weird um conundrum that we face when when dealing with affliction. So the human method sidesteps that because what we do, what we're doing is we're taking, well, here I'll give you my my money line. We interact with our senses, which act as a proxy for our perception, which acts as a further proxy for reality, right? And if we make a change at any level, it transforms all levels.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

Got it, got it. So yeah, I'm impressed you got it because it took me like five years to so back to the so back to the the money versus or healing versus money. So what I've been doing is I view it as like a needle. So we have these possibilities, this field of possibilities we're talking about. And if I start, I don't know what it's like to be rich and stand on the yacht. However, if I begin to feel it or imagine what it'd be like to be like, I can be a healer. The phrase I love to use is Jesus on the yacht. I can be a healer and have a yacht. Not that I want a yacht, but just just like what would that feel like? And as I begin to feel it and imagine it, and what would that, you know, the breeze going through my hair, me just throwing money out like Dana White, whatever. Um, and then I begin to start believing it. It's almost like I could see the future.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

So he here's the thing we live in a in a funny world where um the the conflation between material wealth and bad human being.

SPEAKER_04 17:57

That's it. That's it. Yeah. Ding ding ding ding ding. The bells are going off. Because I look at it, I'm like, for instance, it just gutted me when I saw Deepak Chopra in the Epstein Files. Because some of his writings I've been carrying with me. Right. And then I look at it, I'm like, damn.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Yes. And and I like that's that was kind of I I wasn't surprised, but I was shocked, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 18:26

Yes, same.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

And so we we conflate these two things, bad human being and material wealth. And it gets repeated over and over and over as we live our lives. And so aspiration to material wealth cuts against our our core self-definition that hey, I'm a good guy, I'm not one of those scumbags. I'm right. So at a at a deep, deep level, we're conflicted. And this is you're this this is like on a platter for you. You ready? Right, yes. Okay, because this leads us into parts, right? Yeah, yeah, now you're like, oh god, yeah, a lot.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

Maybe some people don't know what parts is, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Yeah, so parts are. I mean, if you want to my my definition of parts is you know, we have aspects of personality putatively where it's like, well, you know, like part of me wants to lie in a beach and part of me wants to go play tennis, right? And so we have this internal conflict, like, do I lie on the beach? Do I play tennis? I don't know. And I I I have a personal position that I arrived at a few years back where I recognize something that the solution to everything, everything, like, and I mean everything, is when we can dissolve the ego and be present to whatever is occurring in our lives at that moment. You can call it good, you can call it bad, you can call it anything you want. It's an opinion. If we are present in that moment, all ego dissolves away, all disturbances fade away, all dissatisfactions fade away. Now, I'll I'll give you I'll uh build it back up. So there's this notion of presence, which is like the I. Yes, yes. And and the the I I'm gonna offer is kind of connected to source. Got it. And then below the I, there's me and me prime. Because if you think about it, right? Ryan wakes up in the morning, he's like, oh there are days that I just can't stand myself. Okay, so who's Ryan? The me or the myself? So I can't stand myself. So that thinking splits you into two. It takes the unity and it creates duality.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

I mean, you we can let that sit for a long time. Yeah, I I get it.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

And then some of the some of the listeners may be like, what the heck are these guys talking about? But for me, and I don't know if you know this, but in 2011, well, first I was a preacher, and then I walked away from the church because I felt the church was boxing what God is. Like in Ram Doss's book, he's like running down the aisles, and all the people are in the pews like sleep. And he's like, if he only knew the words were true, you know, like hallelujah. And then I was like, okay, I'm walking away, got depressed, and then I died. The heart stopped, and I went to this other place. I the week before I was literally praying, kill me because I don't have the strength to kill myself. And then a week later. Boom. And then I went to this other place. And then so when I woke up, I I had the sensation of wow, that place was incredible. How do I tap into that? Like you said in your model, the source, you know. So I felt I was one with the source. And then so I spent years over decades trying to find out how do I tap into the source and still walk this planet.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

And and I'm gonna offer that, I believe, in those, in those moments when I have been so I felt like a little kid on the first day of summer, but yeah, the guy did this, you went to the source. I so what happened was, and it sounds mundane now, and I didn't even recognize it at the time, my internal dialogue became an option. It wasn't automatic, it wasn't always on because internal dialogue, it's like it gets turned on, and then the knob gets pulled off and it gets flushed down a toilet in Germany, like you're never getting that sucker back, right?

SPEAKER_05 23:04

Right.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

So when in those three weeks, um my internal dialogue became an option, an optional thing. With that option, when it was off, I was nowhere but present. And in those moments of presence, I have access to divinity, I have access to something well beyond me. And here's the fun thing. Um, when I'm in a present state, the amount of juicy awesomeness that comes to me and through me is magnificent, but I can't manufacture it. I don't manufacture it, right? I just I just I just it comes to me. So if you collapse, collapse the me and the me prime, collapse what I call the I mean, there's there's uh unity, duality, and then there's multiplicity. All the parts, part of me wants to go swimming, part of me wants to sit home and read a book, part of me wants to be a millionaire, part of me wants to know that millionaires are assholes, but all of this, all of this drama, yeah, this multiplicity is below duality, is below unity. Unity is connected to source. How do I get there? I shut off the internal dialogue. How do I do that? I don't know. I sit and meditate for six months. No, but the the the um here's the kind of the fun thing is I came I came by this honestly because I realized about five years ago that the end point of a beautiful, juicy, delicious piece of NLP or hypnosis or therapeutic intervention typically is a collapse of the internal dialogue because you just sit there and there's nothing going on, but you have this deep sense of peace. Yes, yes, and you work, you'll do anything to recapture it. And I would argue that you, as uh in your former uh world, that is what led you because there are sometimes there are moments in a in a gathering, in a presence, in something where that emanates, and you're hooked, and you don't and you want to go back, and you're like a little kid, you know. When you're a little kid and you play with your friends one night, yeah and it's like the best time ever, and then you try to remanufacture it and it never happens.

SPEAKER_06 25:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

We we do the same activity hoping for the same outcome, and it's it's not quite there. And that's so all the way back down. If I take what is the humo method, the humo method is a pathway of getting to unity. So one of the chapters in my book is who does the humo? So is it me? Is it me prime? Right. It's a little, this is a little deep this is Sunday morning deep depth. Um, we're in the deep end now.

SPEAKER_04 25:52

I'm kind of wondering because it feels like in the hypnosis community at large, we've kind of lost it. We talk about NLP, and I there's a great quote from Erickson. And I don't know if it's true, but it feels true. He says, those NLP boys, they took the nut, they they took the nut, they cracked the nut and left the nut. In other words, they just took the shell of the words he's saying and not the spirit. And it feels like in hypnosis community, we talk about I don't know, and and then it's different from your model. It's like we have the mind and we have the subconscious, or maybe the body holds the emotions, the past. And then we deal with the mind and the subconscious. But rarely do I hear a hypnosis person talk about the spirit or the source. There's a few of us, but they're but most do not. They just talk about this, the what do you call it, the the prevalent reality. Right. And very few talk about this.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

But but all of this is the real stuff. This is this is it.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Right. And so my question on these forms again is how do we listen? That that source is a small voice versus this, our body is a loud voice. I want to play tennis, I want to go lay on the beach, it's just it's loud. And that small voice is saying, just be.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

So that's that's all man. So how do you be, right?

SPEAKER_04 27:30

Well, how do you listen to the voice? How do you tune? It's like a frequency. Like, okay, all I hear is this crappy music all day long. You said that knob has been thrown away. So, how do I tune it to the voice that says you can do whatever you want?

SPEAKER_03 27:44

You just every time the the clock radio comes on, it's I got you, babe, because it's ground on day.

SPEAKER_07 27:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

You so you you you pull me in two different directions, and I forgot both of them for a second. Is um so when I was agoraphobic, the I've always been an intuitive guy, you know, whatever. I'm the youngest of seven, I have seven siblings, six siblings, and then me. And so I recognized really early on in order to stay safe, I had to have like super antennae up for danger for whatever. It's always always intuitive. And my the problem, the problem was the uh panic, that panic part came disguised as my intuition. Yes, yes, right. So I was screwed because that my one superpower was turned against me. And so how do we how do we just be uh that was the other line, thank you. Is um Clint Eastwood. The the very somebody once asked him, what's the best piece of direction you ever received? And he said, a director when he was when he was very young and he was just trying to figure himself out, he's and he he was like, What do you do with your hands? Like he was right. I'm like, yeah, yeah, what do I do with these things? And a director said to him, Don't just do something, stand there, which is the opposite, don't just stand there, do something, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

And so he said, I had to learn how to just be. So the answer to your question, and the the the if the endpoint of so many beautiful interventional experiences is presence, then the question your question is really good is how can you tell? How do you tell if it's wheat or chaff, right? Are we getting the good stuff or are we getting the manufactured stuff that my ego is poofling because that's what the ego does, it it creates drama. And here, let me let me answer by by way of um I'll answer in an in the opposite way. Have you ever driven a car? Yes, oh crazy. Have you ever been crazy? Have you ever been in in like a traffic jam?

SPEAKER_04 30:23

Of course. I live in Connecticut, right? Drive to New York, yeah.

unknown 30:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Oh, beautiful, right? And have you ever noticed that has it ever occurred to you that as you are there in your vehicle, you're surrounded by other vehicles, and no one, including you, wants to be where you are. You are in direct conflict with the prevalent reality that you find yourself in. How nuts is that? We manufacture as emotion as if it will somehow make the universe change reality to accommodate our need at that moment. Right, right. How insane is that? I know I I'm here in the I'm in my car. Yep, I don't want to be, I aggressively don't want to be. Right. So I'm gonna manufacture emotion as if that's somehow gonna transform my reality.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Right, right. And then meanwhile, we get frustrated because it's not like Bruce Almighty, where he just parts the traffic like Moses did to see. We're and then we're sitting there, the more we focus on that anger, the more traffic becomes worse.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

Right. And we're surrounded by it, right? Right, we're surrounded by everyone's in the same state. What is it that we're generating in the world at that moment? Are we generating a place that we want to be part of? To paraphrase Robert Dilt, are we are we creating, are we contributing to a world to which we want to belong? Or are we doing the opposite? My offer to you, yeah, is when I fully accept what is, what emerges from that is that voice. Because when I when I fully accept what is, and I just am, and I then I know how to be. Yeah, there's no voice going on, there's no there's no oh that guy, you see that red car, those red car guys are assholes or whatever, BMW, whatever, whatever, whatever. What happens when we live in that state, which is kind of a state of grace, is we achieve a little bit of presence, a little bit of oneness, yeah, and that's when that's when source kind of goes, Oh, that's when I get all the good stuff, man. When you're in the shower, when you're in you get these whole like complete ideas visited upon you, yeah. By the way, just so you're clear, this with the you know, the unity, duality, and multiplicity. Yeah, I was on a bike ride. I ride, I that's how I I in the summers I ride, but I'll I'll go for a two-hour bike ride. And that model landed in my head, and I rushed home, I banged it out, and then I actually I sent it to one of my students who was into that sort of thing, and she said, How long did it take you to put this together? I said, 15 minutes. She's like, You're kidding me right now, because it was visited upon me, it just landed on me, and then after that, all of the thinking had me get to this space of you know, if is there anything wrong in the world if I live in this place of unity? Nope. So if this is what we're aspiring to, the question becomes how do we get there? And here, let me give you like garden variety humo without any of the without any of the core details. Yeah, you're in traffic, you're pissed off, but here's the deal. Ryan, I'm gonna ask a personal question. How old are you?

unknown 34:14

50.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

50. Okay. The moment you were born, a wave emerged. And and you have been riding that wave, and that wave has been carrying you since then, since that very moment, and this wave carries you and carries you and carries you forward. That wave is the present moment. Yet we rarely honor that wave because we're always in the future, we're always in the past, we're we're trying to make sense of what happened, we're trying to progress, you know, we want to make money, so that's out in the future, right? And so we we resist and resent this wave. But here's the crazy thing is there is nothing, nothing exists but this wave. There is nothing that exists beyond this moment. Okay, the apotheosis of your existence, you and anyone who's watching this, you could very well be spending your last moment on earth consuming this content, just like I'm spending what could be my last moment on earth expressing it. You're in traffic, you don't want to be where you are, you are resisting reality. Oh god, I hate that. You're resisting reality.

SPEAKER_04 35:44

For those listening, we're on a zoom call, and he put up his thumb, and the thumb is still there. The little icon. There it is.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

Okay, there we are. Um, you're resisting the reality, you're polluting, you're creating a mesh in between you and and whatever juicy juiciness is available when you're present. You're creating all this internal noise, you're creating all this physiological pain, you are dishonoring reality, and you are dishonoring the gift that this moment is. So, what is the antidote? Very simple, very, very simple. Send love to yourself where you feel that that disturbance. Send love to all these other schmucks because they are in their. I mean, an airplane lands on that highway, man. That's it. And we dishonor the only reality that there is. The only reality that there is is that I'm in this traffic. Okay, I'm in this traffic. Okay, I'm I'm in this mall. Okay, I'm on this plane. Okay, I'm right. We spend so much effort and energy trying to be where we're not.

SPEAKER_04 37:07

Yeah, and it they I hear I feel the ego screaming right now because you're talking about riding this wave, and then the ego's like, Well, do I have a choice? That would is this wave just carrying me till my last day, or can I choose to play tennis or be on the beach, or do whatever will happen will happen.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Agency, right?

SPEAKER_04 37:30

Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:31

So so um I'm I like I said, I'm the youngest of seven, and my my brothers, my sisters nurtured me, my brothers tortured me. And I I was gonna ask this question in a weird way, but it kind of comes off funny. Is I can tell you that when my brothers held my face underwater at the beach, I would become wildly engaged in trying to get right, yes, the the ego is the same thing. The ego is trying desperately to be relevant, the ego is always comparing, it's always contrasting, it's always and so what when I when I offer my thesis to you, you're like the ego is like agency man, right? Where do I get the real?

SPEAKER_04 38:24

I want to be I want to be the richest hypnotist in the world, agency man. Where's my role in this?

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Yeah, exactly. Because the the the ego is the problem, the ego exists here, and and think of it this way: your um your disappointment at deep chopra, which I share, I I was never a fan in any case, but your disappointment is because we kind of want him to be here, right?

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Like we thought he's one with the source, and yet here he is doing shitty things, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

And so if the ego was not present, so here, like so. Let me let me do it another way. You're saying, but the ego, the ego wants, you know, like the I feel the ego resisting, I feel the ego having a problem with this thesis, right? Because there's no role for the ego, right? Where does the ego take you? It takes you to an island in the Caribbean surrounded by 19, 17-year-olds, or whatever the hell, right? That's that's the work of the ego. The ego fights reality, the ego wants it, it compares, it contrasts. It it doesn't want what is because if it accepts what is it's got nothing to talk about, it's got nothing to complain about.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Then why are we here? If we're just pure presence and pure source, then what's the point?

SPEAKER_03 40:08

That's a really good question. Because I'm like, are you nuts? Because but no, but if I if I'm if I'm pure presence, yeah, no, okay, so hang on. Hang on. It's funny that you it's funny that you're it's funny what the ego does. I'm not gonna say you, I'm gonna say because right who who said it was binary? When you mean who's might be either or, but you mean but can't it be end that I have access to presence, and when I go to presence is where it's kind of like going to the well, right? I go to the well, right, right. I I recharge, I get nourishment, I whatever, and then I take it back, and then I kind of do all of this stuff. The problem is the problem is the use and the me's of the world, not not the viewers, because they're awesome. Use and the me, we struggle here and down here, and it's so rare that we get up here. What I'm offering is can we spend a lot of time here and then come down here and here? But this is our natural resting state rather than this or this, right? Because down here is the place of oh man. I mean, think about all of the dissatisfaction that you have in your life is when you're down here, right? And when you're up here, when you're in unity, when you're in presence, when there is no internal dialogue distracting you, that's when you attract the juicy stuff. So it's it's completely antithetical to what we're we have to scrape and claw and bite to get.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Right. No.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

I love the paradoxes of the world like that. Like the Tao Ti Ching is like you get everything done when you have no action, or it's like um, how do you say it? Effortless effort, effortless effort.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

That's it. There's a beauty to the yeah, it's it's like a palindrome, it's like it's it's it's opposite at the same time. But the the irony is so again, what I'm offering is just to really, because you and I are having this esoteric discussion, it occurred to me that a beautiful piece of NLP or whatever is this creates a state of grace, creates this state for a temporary period of time, right? NLP is a vehicle, hypnosis can be a vehicle, right? But what is the what is the uh the intent? Is the intent uh uh dealing with somebody's nail biting or cigarette smoking or or or or which is the business of down here, right? Right, if we approach this from um a more grandiose um perspective, if we're helping someone to achieve wholeness, for example, then all of the details fall away and they sort themselves out. Because do you need to smoke cigarettes? Do you need to bite your nails? Do you need to? Because that is really the business down here, right? It's not here, it's here, it's here in in high drama, it's all it's this is all telenova all the time.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Yeah, telenova, yes, it is right.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

And so again, um, if we if we overshoot with our intent, and if we get halfway, it's a far greater win than if our if what we were aiming at was kind of uh you know helping somebody with some mundane thing, which is why I kind of I I didn't unplug out of the NLP world. I'm I'm teaching a course in a month. Um, but what I did do is I I recognize that there are bigger fish to fry. Yeah. Meaning if if we go after if we go after a sense of unity, a sense of wholeness, a sense of reality, a sense of connection, then everything else just kind of falls away.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

Yeah. And it's so beautiful. And it makes me ponder this question. So when we're in this, when we're at the well in the source, and we're lowering our buckets to infinite possibilities, I feel like our superpower is choice. We can choose what we want.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Tim Michelle.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

What?

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Sorry. East of Eden literary reference. Keep going.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

Oh, okay. So I'm wondering where does choice come from? Because if we listen to the ego, that loud voice, you talk about being an intuitive, and then you had this thing come up that blocks it and it feels like intuition, but it's not. So when we're in that pure intuition, in that source state, where does desire come from? Like we desire to do this or desire like that, but that doesn't exist there, man.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

Because the desire is a function of the ego, right?

SPEAKER_04 45:23

Right. And I guess I'm wondering, you're at source, and then you're looking like I for those listening, and I have my hands up on my in-source, and I'm looking down from above, as you put it, the eye observation. So I have the sword, I'm plugged into the cloud, and I have the eye, and whatever I look at is what will manifest. It's like my my attention will cause reality. Like you talk about pain, and my attention focuses on pain, pain persists. My attention focuses on traffic and traffic persists. Yeah. So who decides what the eye is looking at?

SPEAKER_03 46:03

That's it's funny, but it's funny you're you're taking the construct in a in a way in a different direction than how I envision it, which is awesome, which is not that's not a complaint. That's like oh, that's cool. Um I perceive the role of source as being more um, I'm gonna say passive. It's it's not directive, it's not directed. It will it could be directed. It's like so the model, I'm riding my bike. I literally have this vision of a round circle, all circles are round, of a circle at the top, a circle at the top, and then two, and then a series of circles, and then I get the distinction of basically is uh above between the the two and the one, everything is everything above is source, everything below is ego, and all of the stuff, and it all lands in a second, but it's it's it's poignant enough that I managed to keep it in my head all the way home to scribble it down on sheet of paper, but I didn't manufacture that so the expression of it is where choice comes in. The receiving of it is from something beyond me, right? So I don't when I'm when I'm in the in unity, call it, and if we were to say if it's the field of infinite possibility, then I would offer that your experience was to sit in there. Your experience many years ago was you sat in that field of infinite possibility, you felt that endless, boundless love and abundance from that spot. Did you go like, hey, I wonder what's going down below? Like, you could give a rat's ass because you're sitting in this place of perfection, right? So there is no splitting of attention, yeah, because you're only present to in this and to this, right? So that's kind of my my my half-assed answer to your offer because I didn't really know where to take it. And I I honestly feel in those moments of when I am um when I am in in a moment of inspiration, however I get there, is it's the expression of the inspiration where choice comes in, but the reception is not a not a thing of choice. The reception is is pure inspiration from something beyond me.

SPEAKER_05 48:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

This is really heavy for Sunday. Can we talk about baseball or something?

SPEAKER_04 48:50

Yeah, baseball, baseball, yeah. Okay. How about them Yankees? Or or yeah, let's talk about uh Montreal, you know. They're doing they have a good team. Or they used to before they moved. Okay, yeah. Okay, so I have a follow up question, and it's not baseball related. I'm trying to figure out how to turn this into a baseball metaphor, though. Okay, so you in your model, it's the field of infinite possibility.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

It's the outfield and beyond.

SPEAKER_04 49:19

The outfield of beyond, yeah. There is no fence. It's all the whole yeah, it's all the outfield. The infinite outfield. All right, so in source, and you got I, and you talk about the me and me prime. I'm wondering if you can say more to that because that's a little confusing to me. Because I I feel egos in there, I feel uh in my model. What I see is you kind of it's like driving a car again. You have the person, you have the thing that's observing, and then you have the thing that's driving, and then you have the vehicle itself.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

I feel like the kids in the back.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

The kids in the back. I feel like the vehicle and the kids in the back are the body. So we store our emotions, we store our ego in there, and the spirit, if you call it that, is driving us through it, that wave you talked about carrying us, and then you have the sourcer, the observer, the eye. So I'm wondering me and me prime. I'm just trying to distinguish what's me and me prime.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Oh man, it's funny because it's like it's the simplest thing and it's the toughest answer. It's the simplest answer, but it's tough to process. Who are you? Are you the voice in your head? Or are you the entity that observes the voice in your head? So the the thing is we conflate ourselves or my my identity, I think it's the voice in my head. So then who's listening? That is right right there, that's the split. That's where there's me, which is the receiver of the of the voice, the the observer of the voice, and me prime is the imposter. Yeah, prime. Yeah, so and and by the way, so if I'm if I'm in traffic and I'm in presence, and I'm just like I'm just in traffic, and there's nothing else going on. If I get somehow disturbed in whatever way, what it is is one of those little mini me ego monkeys is the pissed off one, it swaps itself with the me prime and starts telling me a story about how angry I should be. Right? So that's so the me prime is the imposter. Um yeah, it's it's very complicated within us, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 51:51

And it's fascinating. I and that's why I love the movie The Matrix so much, because it's like it explains it. I don't do I believe that there's these monster machines out there harvesting our bodies, no, but do I believe that we're walking in an alternate reality? Sure.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

You know, I'll I'll give you the source of this and and how it landed on me. I was uh I was actually driving back from Montreal on a Sunday morning, probably about an this time of day, five years ago. And I had um I have an Audible account, and my wife was like, Oh, could you please either buy books or cancel it? Because of course that you're on the you're on the conveyor belt of subscription. So I'm driving and there's no cars around me. I'm like, oh, screw it. Okay, so I I buy a bunch of books, yeah. And one of the books that I buy, I've been resisting for years because Oprah, right? Because Oprah, and I bought the power of now eckhartoly, and I'm like, fine, I'll listen to it. So I I start playing it, and I got about five minutes in, and I start weeping because it is so so so poignant. It is like just I I remember the exact moment, it was just the most poignant moment, and I was just gobsmacked. I've listened to that probably 60 or 70 times, and it has informed so much. Like I just all roads lead to Rome, right? Right. If you listen to physicists of a certain caliber, you listen to chemists of a certain caliber, you listen to mathematicians of a certain caliber, you listen to physicians of a certain caliber, they all end up talking spirituality and God. Yep, yeah, every one of them. Yep, and an LP is just a pathway, hypnosis is a pathway, tennis is a pathway, right? But baseball is the best pathway. We know that, but we can just move on. But the the and so my all of my everything that I've done since then has really been baked into so uh that that notion of presence and all of these pieces, including the humo method, including this goofy way that dull normals like me can uh affect uh healing. Like I had this, I I won't get, I mean, the the the number of testimonials that I've seen of people that I've worked with, it's been it's nuts. It's like how how I I didn't come up with it, I just kind of assembled this from other sources. But the the notion of again, if you focus on the pain, which is all we know how to do, we expand the pain, right? And the human method is really around, and I offer it to you like this. Is the Fred Flintstone version of the human method is sitting in traffic and sending love to everyone, including yourself, is doubly blessing. You bless yourself by blessing others, and it takes the internal temperature down, it takes everything. The human method is way more complicated than that, but at its core, if I say my opera my purpose on the planet, if my purpose on the planet and your purpose on the planet is to create a state of grace for everyone else, what sort of gig is this? What sort of existence? What sort of what sort of circumstance do we find ourselves in on this ride? And then if we take the ego temp, so we take the drama temperature down, we take the ego temperature down, and presence is much more available to us. But if I'm pissed off, because Iran and Israel and Russia and Ukraine and Venezuela and and and and all these things of which, by the way, I have no control over. Yet I allow myself to get looped into the drama, which arguably contributes to the problem. And then I fight with strangers on Facebook because they're all assholes. And and and and and and and and and yeah. So it's it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 56:12

It's funny because the way you said that yesterday in the Course in Miracles for me, I think it was day 14. It's God did not create war, so it does not exist. And then so in my mind, I'm like, well, the people getting hit by a bomb feel it. It feels real for them. Yeah. And then at the same time, when you're talking about sitting in traffic and you're generating this whatever it is, this anger, it I feel like it feeds the war.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Yeah. And you know what, in fairness, because uh I'm I'm hearing that differently than I would have heard it five years ago. The war is is not real. Right, a bomb is real, a bomb is only part of war if we call it part of war. So war is this theoretical construct, right? And it goes until some man says it doesn't go. Oh, it's not a war. Oh, it wasn't a war. Who knew? Right, it's just a word, but to your point, if I only exist in this moment and what is going on is what's going on, what I mean, without being too much of a dick about it, is if I live in this moment and stay right here, then it is what it is, and we fight hard against that because and you you beautifully articulated it's like, but but the ego, right? Right, right, the ego is the man behind the curtain and the melting witch and wicked witch of the west at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 57:56

Yes, yes. I want to go full circle. Speaking of miracles, you mentioned this guy in the Birkenstocks, yeah, healing cancer. And then you mentioned that you've kind of deconstructed it a bit. You're not that guy, you're not Jesus raising the dead, yet miracles still exist. So you worked with hundred people with humo. I'm wondering what's the possibility of miracle within this? Like we talked about the big C word cancer.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:30

And in the medical field, you have that spontaneous remission, is what they call it. To me, that's great. To me, that's a miracle, a spontaneous remission of cancer.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

So so the the healer dude, so I encountered him in '98. Um, I'm waiting for an email from him because I'm I'm um he's in Florida right now. I'm I'm trying to decide. So the book is written. I'm it's just tweaking. I've sent it out to agents. I've actually gotten responses. Who knew? And I'm um I'm trying to figure out, I don't want to ruin his piece. So I I did I thought about it and I said, Are you okay if I remove your last name and obscure a couple of identifying details? Because you know, he's in his 70s now. He still does this, but he's he's scaled back. Does he, you know, should anyone actually read the book, they'll be curious about this guy, right? Um, and his his story is is quite fascinating. Um so he had stage four bladder cancer. Uh doctor told him, said chemo. Uh Denise said, Yeah, no, that stuff kills you, man. And he said he he refused chemo, and they gave I said, Well, then you got three weeks. And he said, Okay. And he drove home. It was a 20-minute drive. He had to stop halfway and grab a quick nap. Made it home, and he did what I'll offer to you is a bit like a pretty spectacular thing. He thought, he said, three weeks. Right? Three weeks is not very long. 21 days feels a little longer. Right. I can't remember the math now. 768 hours.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:31

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

Right. And he he got to 1.8 something million seconds. And he thought to himself, thought to himself, right, right. If I'm present for every one of those seconds, that's a really long time. And that was the beginning of a shift in his thinking. And there are there are many, many, many. I mean, it took him a year and a half to overcome cancer. And when he went back to his oncologist, he said, uh, the oncologist said, Not only can I, not only do you no longer have cancer, I can't prove that you did. And then he went out to be, and he said, like, I don't want to take anyone's job away, but I want to help people. So he went to hospitals in around where he lives, and he would go in and he would do his what he was trying to figure out with like his stuff, and they kept kicking him out. And so, and he really he kept going back because he's he's an interesting guy, and over time he became an energy healer. Over time, it was actually his referral network was physicians, all it was doctors who got to the limits of their profession and saw beyond, and he was what was beyond or connected to what was beyond. So they would refer oddball cases to him, and he might discover something that they would then investigate that they'd be able to know. But here's the funny thing: remember when we talked about it, is if you focus on the pain, you can accentuate the pain, right? And this this happens happened to me when I was agoraphobic. Is the medical system, and this is not a criticism, the medical system is has an interesting quirk, and it's kind of like how do you decide if it's a war, right? We take this cluster of symptoms, and if it fits a profile, that gets locked in. The problem is we conflate who we are with our diagnosis, we conflate who we are with what we have because I guarantee you, if I take an axe to your car, you're going to some aspect of you is gonna you're gonna get so angry because it's not your car, it's you, right? And so this conflation, I take on the diagnosis, I now take it on as if it's me. And so my my agency as a human is now determined by somebody else. The doctor tells me how I feel, I don't tell me how I feel. And so Denit just stepped away from all of that. He took away his symptoms as having these ominous meanings. He went through whatever he went through, he came out the other side, and then he, you know, he he relied, he was a former cop. You know, you know the mountain.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

It's funny how many people at hypnosis and NLP are former police officers, just as an observation.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:49

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. Um, but he he went full Monty and he became a healer. Um, and and I mean, in the fullness of time, uh his diagnosis. I think he was in his early to mid-40s when that all happened. Now I think he's 70, whatever. But one hysterical story. I gotta he um um he has an apprentice who stole my spot. I joke with her. Bitch, you took my spot. Yeah, because she's she's uh um an um what do you call it? She's a unicorn, she feels energy, she's whatever, and he's been teaching her stuff, and so she he's kind of passing it on to her. And um, he he took her a few years ago. She texted me. We're we're tight, you know. We yeah, we we know two aspects of them. She texted me, she's like, Oh my god, I'm at the oratory in Montreal with Denis, and I I'm I can't take the energy that's here. I just it's so heavy, it's so intense, whatever. And uh, one day, Denis, if you know the uh St. Joseph's Oratory in Montreal was built by a healer by the name of Brother Andre. His name was he grew up Alfred Besset. And one day Denis told me that I think on his mother's side, he's related to Brother Andre. And I thought, uh, makes sense. Yeah, and and by the way, people gone from all over the world and they go to the St. Joseph's Oratory, and there's these stairs, it's a huge long staircase up to the the oratory itself, and they leave like crutches and all sorts of stuff, and there's a room filled with uh discarded stuff because people get healed there. So Denis told me he's um he's related, and it was it was a few years. So my my dad passed away about I can't remember 10 years ago when when he was 90. Uh yeah. And I inherited all of his genealogical stuff, and so then his stuff is terrible. But if you go to ancestry, it's you know, it's like it's all there, and all these cousins, whatever. And on Facebook, one of my cousins introduced me to a cousin of hers that's also a cousin of mine, but like you know, I don't know her. Don't know me. And after about, I don't know, a couple of years of back and forth. It was only last year that uh her name is Madeline. And I was like, her married name is Bessette, her maiden name is Bessette. So I sent her a message. I'm like, hey, are you related to Brother Andre? She sends me a picture of the whole genealogical path. And I so I texted Denise. I said, Hey, guess what? Work cousins.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

That's interesting. I could go down a whole path with that when you talk about mitochondria and everything. Yeah, I want to loop back to Yeah. Because really, I I love this stuff so much. Um you're talking about this guy. So he has the prostate cancer told he has three weeks to live, and yet you said it took him about a year and a half to finally figure it out. So I'm wondering, and in any miracle or any act of faith you could say, even you're talking about sending out your books to agents. There's that certain part where you believe and then doubt starts whispering in the ear. So I'm like, he's he's like talking about, okay, I got three weeks to live. Okay, three weeks are up, and I still haven't figured it out. Takes them another year and a half. Forever. Yeah. Yeah. So so what do you do in that intersection of faith and doubt?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:28

That's wow. That's so awesome because it's funny. So you you threw in the you threw in the book and agents, and I'll tell you something about the book and me. Is the book um it's I'm gonna overstate it because I feel like a bit of a doink saying it the way it wants to come out in my head, is I am I was called to create to write the book.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:04

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

It's and to me, when it's a calling, it's not about me, right? It's not about me. There's no ego involved in this, it just is, which then puts me kind of in that in that space of unity. It's like I'm just I am an it's like uh a prayer for own meanie. I am an instrument of God, as are we all in the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:27

And I'm wondering, as you're walking that path of God, you're called to write the book, and then I feel that's probably the ego during that state. There's a period of time, and time I think is the thing that really gets us. We start focusing on the times, like, well, if it's a miracle, it should be instantaneous. I should write the book and it'll be published tomorrow as a bestseller. So if I'm called, why isn't it a bestseller tomorrow?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:55

Right. And so and that's the funny thing, tying it to that that other place. So uh Denis, um, so I would see him uh from 2013 to 2020. I was going to see him at his house and we're hanging out and back and forth, back and forth. And he would say, he would tell me stories. So one time he would come to Toronto on a regular basis, and he would give treatments for two days, all day Saturday, all day Sunday. And one day I was there on a Sunday afternoon. I my NLP class finished, and so I went sitting in the waiting room, and I heard I heard this woman, this female voice like really animated and loud, yeah, boisterous and whatever. And Denise would see four people at a time. So it's like he's got this rotation where he sees spins one up, spins the other up, spins the third up, spins the fourth up, spins down the first one, puts somebody else in that room, spins down the second, right? So this he comes out with this woman who's dressed in like leopard skin head to toe, and she comes sailing out with high heels, and she out and he comes to the door, he goes and he gives me this nod, like, okay, come on. And I go, Hey Denis, how are you? We're talking shop a little bit, and I was like, What the what was that?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

And he said, Yeah, she was a little excited. He said, She came in yesterday and she could hardly walk because she had bladder cancer. And he said, You know, so I started working with her, and we both felt the cancer leave, and it was really cool. We, you know, it was a spontaneous healing, and and she came back just to check in. And anyway, so how's Jack doing? Yeah, but he changed the subject like that. It was like blah blah, it was talk shop talk. Yeah, it was a spontaneous healing, but anyway, yeah, it happens every you know half hour, happened four times, whatever. Well, I I asked him, I said, What's what's the incidence of spontaneous healings? He said, Every 30 to 32 sessions, I'll get a spontaneous healing. And I'm like, Wait, what? Yeah. So you're saying miracles and binary versus analog, right? Binary is in a moment, then suddenly it's broken, it's fixed. So he would have that at a at a pretty intense frequency. There's, I mean, there's a lot of layers to it because he he says that emotion, emotion, we feel emotion, any emotion held beyond two minutes will start to mortgage the body. So processing emotion is incredibly important to being in a healthy state, and what is what happens when you process emotion is you hit a moment of presence. It took me 10 years to figure that out. So what he's saying ultimately is the notion of presence and healing are in in intertwined, and if you do not give up uh emotion, he says your soul's gonna get pretty pissed off at you, and at some point it's just gonna get you sick to wake you up. And if you don't wake up, well, it'll kill you because because that's that, and so it's like woo! That's uh that's a bit of a harsh, um, a harsh framing, but that's his thesis. So we have to feel emotion to make the soul grow, but then we have to shed it. And and he said, you know, people hold on to emotion. He said, My own sister, she's held on to this emotion for 50 years, but it's gonna get her. So I don't know that I answered your question about about uh the notion of spontaneous healings and miracles and longer term stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:56

Yeah, like the book, for instance. Like you feel called, it's like a divine calling.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:01

You do maybe the expression of the maybe the codification and expression of the body of knowledge does the trick. And just putting a picket fence around this thing called the humo method and putting it into book form and putting it all down in one place, maybe that's all that's that's all that is necessary. Does it have to be published? Does it have to I don't know?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:26

Right, right. Where does the project end? Because I feel like Denny like called to heal. And it's like if it's a calling, then why isn't there a line around the block waiting to be healed? Well, like if God sent me to heal people, then why are why am I not like Jesus? And I'm like on the top of a mountain, people are just coming to me, you know, like it's one at a time, not like mass.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:55

Denis doesn't have a good press secretary, press agent. So here's the thing: no advertising. I mean, you show up at his house, it's 50 bucks a shot for an hour. It was 40 in 1998 in Montreal. Inflation. What are you gonna do? Um, so he's not that guy. It's not like I and and and here's a really beautiful point that brings us totally full circle. He, I mean, I have 200 Denise stories. Uh, one story. Um, he was in Quebec City one day, and Quebec City is like hideously cold, it is like frigging the coldest place on earth, and he was at a conference or something, and he left the conference, he walked outside, and uh a woman had collapsed, and she was dead. He said she was done, and he said he heard the voice, put your hands on her. He puts his hands on her, and she starts and he has a voice, walk away. And he's like, But I did that.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:11

That was me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:13

And the voice is like, walk away. So Denis and people start running over, and so Denise starts walking away and he just walks, and then he's like, Oh, he wants to look back, right? He wants to see what happened, yeah. Voice, don't look back. And he said, the ego is the enemy, the ego is the worst thing because if I start taking on, I did that, yeah, then that's when that's when the magic starts fading, and then that's when, and that's when, and that's when. Um, and it's funny, both Denis and Joanne, they'll say the three of us kind of have a a joke, is like spiritual people, men, oh, they're the worst because it's evil gets involved.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:04

Yeah, I Elon. And it bothers me. I don't know whether it bothers my ego, but I see these ads on Facebook. Are you a hypnotist and you want to make three thousand dollars an hour or whatever? I was like, that sounds like such bullshit, man. And then you talk about Denis, who's doing it for 50, and then yeah, I still wonder it feels like okay, I'm charging for it. So then that automatically makes me feel like it's the ego if I'm charging for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:36

Full circle.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

If how do you how do you put a number on presence? Right. Okay. How do you put a number on and is it is it on the outcome? You know, are you charging for the outcome?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:56

That bothers me too, yeah. Like I just that's why part of it feels bad to charge it, because I can't tell you, like Denise can't tell you, okay, I'm going, you know, sure, I heal about I about one in 30 people come to me and it's spontaneously cured. I can't guarantee you that. I can't, you know, whatever, but I'm still going to charge you $50 an hour.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

But what are you charging for? Are you charging for the outcome? Are you charging for the process, or are you charging for the presence? And the other thing is your, I mean, again, to to to beat the dead horse of my model, we think about the the the unity of the of I, the duality of me and me prime, and the multiplicity of all of the air quotes ego states. And so when I work with a person, who am I working with? And are their air quotes ego states in full opposition to the outcome being achieved? It doesn't matter what you charge because what's happening is your ego's getting involved, right? And you're feeling so again, remember when I said that we um get attached to our ego because it's associated with stuff that I have, right? Oh, your glasses look so oh I look good, right? Right. So I I conflate my identity with my possession, I conflate my identity with my rate. My rate is a proxy for my worth as a human, however fucked up that is. Yeah, it is. So your rate's your rate, man. That's that's just it. It it is what it is, what it is, and the the fact that we take our possessions as a proxy for our actual the value of my identity. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:13

Right, right. So I'm wondering, does Denis ever because part of me feels like and whether it's coming from ego, is that there's some people that need help that could get it for free.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:32

Would they care? Would they value it? That's the other bizarre thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

Well, like I'm looking at the model of Jesus. People come to him, the woman with the issue of blood, touch, healed. She didn't come bringing a big bag of gold. She just was healed. And there's numerous healings that Jesus did that he didn't charge for, and there's no energetic exchange besides the act of faith and presence. So I'm just wondering.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

Yeah. So the the the opposite of your of your thesis, which is what is the meaning is is my identity is my identity is is the amount of cash uh standing proxy to my value as a person. Okay. Then there's the flip side of that, where when people say, and maybe that this is full circle and perfectly in what to what you were saying, you know what's coming, is the value that they offer in terms of cash is a determining factor in whether they'll allow it to work or not. Because if it's if it's a penny, if it's a penny, my I cost a penny. How much investment of time are they gonna offer? How much investment of presence are they gonna be there? If it's a thousand dollars, will that and and I know where it gets, it's where it goes. Is that such a threshold that they'll only show up if they're willing to really do the job? Or am I only gonna deal with rich assholes?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:12

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:14

So the question becomes, and I think you touched on this prior, is the highest amount that you feel is an appropriate exchange for my time and the outcome that we both want to get to.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

Right. And that's why I love the tithe model, 10% of whatever your income is.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:37

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:37

Um, if you have no income, then fine, go volunteer or you know, bring me a goat, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:45

And it's funny, this also ties back to this notion of itemization. Because you're a tithe gets you off the hook, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:58

As a tithe payer, like I pay tithes to anybody, it's it's just a deal.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:02

It is what it is, right? Because a tithe puts it in the it is what it is territory, it detaches it from a proxy of worth of the work or the individual.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:16

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:18

A you decide what to pay takes the takes the pressure off of you, right? As as the healer, and and NLP people, hypnotists, yeah, we're all healers, right? Takes the pay, it takes the the onus off of you, but also when it's just it, it's just this thing, man. It's not me, it's not associated with me, it's not tied to me. It's that's the beauty of an agent because the agent does all the yucky negotiating, and you just show up super clean. Mike Mandel, again, yeah. Mike, Mike Lovett, he would walk into my training room with his briefcase, he would fuss around for a minute, he'd turn around and he'd be on. Yeah, he was he was an assassin, he was uh he was a what did he call himself? U hypnotic gunslinger. And he would come in, yeah, he would deliver, and then he'd walk away very clean, didn't have to deal with anything. Yeah, right, and so there's a beauty to that model where you don't have to get into the muck, but you can do that again, is what's going on with you with all of us. And I'm not I'm not pointing at you, I'm saying I've I've had the same struggle, and it is a hitting price is a such a weird thing. But where we are allowing the telenova in our inside of us and our egos to turn on and distract us and engage with all of that crazy rather than if again, if you're sitting in complete unity, then the price is the price. We could argue that Eckhart Tolle is again as he says in in his book, all I'm asking is that instead of you spending all of your time with a voice in your head and just once in a while having this notion of being in presence, just reverse that. So most of the time you're in presence, and whenever the world requires you to be, sure, you drop down into doing whatever needs doing. And it's it's just it's a bit of a reversal, but the problem is we're this voice in my head has become so normalized that the weird ones are the ones without the voices in their heads, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:55

Right. Isn't that fascinating? Yeah, the weird ones. And I appreciate all the time you spent with me. And just I know we have a few moments here. Yeah. Should we just spend a little bit of time on manifesting? And I set this up as what I'm currently doing is going back to Pam Grout. Is that how you say her name?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:15

Pam Grout, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:16

So she has her great book, E Squared, and it starts off as like a laddering. So you can't, well, I can't, maybe some people can, just manifest a mansion, for instance. It takes a laddering. So I started with okay, like her experience, just ask the field of possibilities for an undeniable sign within 48 hours. I don't know why 48 hours. That's a weird thing. Like, why is it why are we gonna put a time frame on it? But it worked for me. I was like, oh, okay, I got my sign. And then another thing is like manifest a dollar bill appearing or five dollar bill appearing. And then the next day in my driveway, a dollar bill shows up. I wanted a five dollar bill, but a dollar bill shows up. Whatever, I'll take it as a miracle because dollar bills never show up in my driveway. It's like it's my driveway. I know when money shows up, you know, I'm very acutely aware, but it nonetheless it showed up and different things. And then then also my current thing is I'm saying by the end of today, I'll be working with a client. And so I feel that's my calling, like that, like the source gave that to me, that I want that to manifest. And so I feel like the energy I give to it, there's that doubt energy that will take that away from me, and there's that belief energy that will bring it to me. And as we get as I look at the time, I'm like, okay, there's 12 hours left in the day, that doubt energy starts weighing on me. And I keep saying, okay, but but there's still time. So how do we what's the reality of this year?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

So it's funny. Now I know why Denny keeps saying he sounds like a broken record. Is so there's so yeah, I I I did that stuff too. I I have um I have um manifested some crazy ass things in my life, and it's there's one consistency, and the consistency is playfulness, it's it's a lack of obsession with the outcome. Uh have you ever heard of the Bankston method? No, William Bangston. Very I will truncate this sucker of a story. So Bill Bankston's a 21-year-old, he's a lifeguard at a at a community pool in Long Island somewhere. And um somebody goes, Hey, that guy over there, he's a he's a he's a psychic. And Bankston's like, Oh, give me a break. And he goes and he talks to this older guy, and the older guy goes, Yeah, it's the weirdest thing. Like, I've this just started happening to me. And Bangston's like, uh Whatever. So okay, tell me some stuff about me. And the guy tells him a bunch of stuff, and like Bangston's like, no, no, no, this is bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

And then he gets in his car that the guy said has trouble. And he goes, My car's perfect. The muffler falls off. So whole everything, everything ends up coming true. So he goes back, and he's like, This is interesting. Because Bangston's that guy. And he's he had an undergrad in statistics. I don't remember. Long story short, they start to team up. And because Bangston's like, How are you doing that? The guy's like, I'm not sure. Um, one day Bangston has this chronic back issue, and and they're they're doing they're doing some stuff, and he goes, Heal me, heal my back. And the guy's like, I don't know how to do this. Like, shut up, just do it. And the guy did it. And so Bangston's going to university, he gets his uh Ma, I think, his and no, MA, he became a I forget. He ended up with a with a doctorate, but hard science.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:04

And and one day he set up an experiment where in a lab where the his friend was gonna heal, they bought a whole bunch of lab mice, they injected them with this solution that will kill them within 14 to 28 days.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:21

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:23

At the last minute, the healer bails. And interesting. The the guy who sponsors the the the the uh experiment says to Bangston, you're the fucking healer. He's like, I'm not, you know how to do it, do it, because I will I wasted my reputation. We spent all this money, we have these mice that we've just like half killed, right? Do it. So Bangston sweats it all out, and he he heals the mice. They they no mice has ever lived beyond, I think it was 14 days. They all live, and the control mice die. So they they spin up another experiment, yeah. And at the last minute, Bangston pulls the same maneuver. He goes, I'm not gonna be the healer, I'm gonna teach people to heal. Let's find the most skeptical people we can, yeah, and I'll teach them the method. It works. This has been repeated, I can't remember how many times. So I actually I actually took the training. I'm yeah, I'm a Bankston guy because his story is so parallel to my Denise story. But the the the most important aspect of Bankston healing is is there's this protocol that you follow, but be goofy, be playful, don't get too invested in it. And in every manifestation context that I've ever encountered, that is the one line that runs through them. Don't get addicted to the outcome, stick with the process, be playful, be excited. Am I gonna see a am I gonna see a hot pink car today? That would be so cool. Yeah, I manifested a hot pink, no joke, a Lamborghini Urus. Not for myself. I saw one and I'm like, did I just see it was Pink Panther Pink?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:17

Right, right. And how many of those do you see a day? None. Right. One that day. And then okay, so in my story of saying manifesting a paid client by the end of today. I feel like I was called, I was given that from the source. And so I feel like I'm playful with it. I'm on this podcast, I'm talking to other people, I'm just going about my day, having fun, being like, wouldn't it be cool and funny if this happened?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:51

And yet I feel like if it didn't happen, then I'll feel, well, then yeah, you're you're playing the telenova's on, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:01

The telenova is on. Yet, how do we resolve that? Like, how do we stay in presence?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:08

Do not attach any importance to it happening or not happening. Put it out there and then let it go. Again, so this ties all the way back. We're full circle now because you're like, but agency, but choice, but but but what you're saying over and over again is but ego.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:32

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we're here, or we're spiritual beings in this playground. And it's like, okay, so I'm in this, I'm one with God, the source. I should be able to do anything. And then again, that's the ego saying I should be able to do anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:50

Yet and and the ego manufactures drama in the form of internal dialogue, in the form of parts of me want to do this, parts of me want to do that, which creates all of this agitation, which acts as a screen. It acts it actively blocks the universe from doing universe things.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:13

Got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:17

I am my own worst enemy. When when I when I allow the telenova to run the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:25

It's entertaining to watch, not so entertaining to be in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:30

It's easy to see over there, but it's so hard to see.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:32

Yeah, that's why I love reality TV. It's like I love watching other telenovas. I just don't enjoy my own.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:40

Exactly. I I think that the the uh ultimately, if we play it all the way down and we we recognize if we say, if we were to say, for example, the um if you were to if you were to turn your attention and um pay it and focus on the the blockages, focus on the parts that uh put importance on it working or not working, and tease out you know how far beneath the skin, what color, what shape, all of that stuff. So we turn them into mini entities of themselves. That functioning, just that one step separates right, and then now I'm over here and it's over there, or they're over there, in the same way that why do we slow down on the highway when we see an accident? Because the danger is there, and if the danger is there, then I'm probably okay over here. So by externalizing and itomizing these aspects, that gives me agency and it also gives me a sense of peace. I can exist in this space where these two things are now they're they've they've turned from theory to corporeality, they have color, they have texture, they have size, they have they are being externalized from me. And if I were to then, for example, just take this notion of in the universe, there is an infinite source of love. And if I turn my attention to tapping into that, and I send that love to these two parts, these two the ones that are invested in this working or not working, what does it mean? What about me? All of these ego things, and if I just send them love, love dissolves all. Thanks so much. What a delight. I have cast my wishes out, and let's see. Let's see, and that's it, and then and that's it. That's it. Right. And and when you see it, it's not because you're fantastic and the universe has chosen you and you're manifesting. It's like ah, cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:30

Yeah. Move on, move on, and what else? Yeah. And in just a moment for everyone listening and watching, Hugh's gonna walk through a little hypnotic gift of sorts, and of course, we'll have the description and how we can get in touch with you, Hugh, in the description of this episode, including uh on your website, your trainings, and by then when people view this, hopefully they can purchase your book and learn the human method.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

Right?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:57

Yeah, and I wonder before we get to that hypnotic session, um, just in the moment, is there something that bubbles up when I ask, what's something that you would love the entire world to know?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:20

Okay, the gift of and I have a backstory to this, and I I'll I'll tell it really fast. The thing that plunged me into agoraphobia was a whole bunch of stuff, not the least of which was a breakup. And um the when we were together, my girlfriend and I at one point I remember on I can't remember the context, but I just said, I'm gonna take you to Europe one day. Okay, and we break up, and then and then and then and then then then then whatever. I plunge into agoraphobia. I come back out. I'm um in an NLP master practitioner training. Trainer says, Does anybody have a goal? I said, Yes. She goes, Okay, come on up. What's your goal? I said, I want to travel and I don't want to pay for it. She's like, Oh, God's sake, kill me now. And I'm like, sorry. She's like, All right, well, let's work with it. And then, you know, at the time I'm working as the head of IT for a children's film company in Montreal, and and and and and five years later, I look back and I go, like, when did I start traveling for work? And it was the next week. Next week, after I did this exercise on a Sunday afternoon, my boss said, Okay, you got to go to Washington because there's a PBS conference, but I didn't connect the dots at the time. I connected the dots way later, years later. Um, and what happened was the company grew really, really fast, and we had a London office and London, UK, and I had to set up a VPN, you know, a virtual private network back when that was a thing. And because we had uh computers in London that had to use an application in Montreal terminated in service. So long, long, long story short, I had to go to London. It would be the first time I ever went to Europe, and I it was all sorts of when you know, like negotiating when do I go? Oh, they're ready, they're not ready. This is Sprint Canada, and they're trying to set up all of whatever. And I said, Look, I'm gonna go this date. And if you're not ready, you're gonna pay for it, and you're gonna pay for my flight, you're gonna pay for it. And they're like, Okay, okay, okay, we're ready. I I fly over, I get to um Heathrow. There's a guy with a limo holding my name, which was cool. Yeah, uh, central London, spent a week there all over the place. Um, took a few days off, went to Stonehenge, blah blah blah. Sunday afternoon, get at back to Heathrow in this one room that was the flight to Montreal, fly home, get to the line at customs. I'm three people from the line, and something in my head says, look left. And I look to my left, and there's a woman beside me, and she is entirely unfamiliar, but strangely familiar. And I looked behind her, and that was Karen's mother, and that was Karen's father, and I hadn't seen her in a decade, and I nudged her, and I said, Hey, and it took her a second. She's like, Oh my god. And so we start talking a bit, and I was like, Where are you coming from? Because customs, anybody can be coming from anywhere. She goes, Oh, uh, London. Um, my uh my parents and I just came back from Glenn, her brother's uh graduation from Oxford. I'm like, that's so fantastic, that's great. I knew Glenn really well. I said, When did you fly out? She said, Last Sunday. I said, Karen, we went to Europe together. We were on the same plane on the way over, we were on the same plane on the way back. Wow, the voice in my head said, Look left. Yep, I didn't know why.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:19

And five minutes later, I never saw Argon. That was that. Wow. And so, what is the thing I want everyone to know? That I mean, on a long flight, on a long day, you're exhausted. Presence might just be present, and in that moment, there was no filter, there was no noise, there was nothing going on in my head except I'm just like, let's just get through this. And I have this message drop in. So this the story is there's a beauty to that story, but but the point that I want to make is every moment is miracle adjacent, and our capacity to be open to the possibility in a playful sort of way, not in a not in an I must wrestle this miracle to the ground and claim it. It's just just be in the moment, be mindful. Everything is always possible, and so if we embrace that with a playful spirit, then what's possible exponentially many multiplies. If it's another fucking Tuesday morning and I'm gonna kill the next car that cuts me off, then what sort of blessing are we putting into the world? Not very much.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:52

Right, right. I love the idea of playful, and I love the idea of curious, being playfully curious.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:59

Yeah, that's that's that's the gig, man. We stay within that space and everything just is, and we can find our way through it rather than getting blessed or cursed by it.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:15

Yeah. Thank you. And then okay, so that's amazing. And I want everyone now to, if you're driving, maybe pause it. Uh just find it. Yeah, don't look left. You know, hopefully your voice is telling you just to find a comfortable place where you can just listen for a while and be playful playfully curious about what will happen in the next few moments.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:43

I I know I am. Oh no, this is the the beauty of this is I have no plan. So I'm gonna invite you to um to be mindful of your breath as you as you inhale and imagine when you're inhaling. Imagine that you're inhaling hope and dreams and positivity, and all of the things that bring you joy and bring joy to the people around you, and just bring that in to your body as if you're bringing it down a long column. And when you exhale, I'm gonna invite you to exhale love and this universal accepting notion. So what you're doing is you're bringing in nourishment on the inhale, and you're exhaling a different type of blessing. And as you continue this cadence of drawing in goodness and putting out twice the goodness, you can become curious about that idea of unity and duality and multiplicity that we were speaking about before. And you could, if you so choose, you could inhale all of this goodness and you could think about this idea of all of these competing parts that you have, all of the players in the telenova. And as you inhale this lightness and you exhale this love, you can send this love to all of the telenova players one by one. And it's timed to the cadence of your breathing, and you're breathing anyway, so you might as well do something with it and bring in that light, and maybe you have a jealous part and send so much love to that jealous part that it maybe it gets a new job. And what that job is, it can figure out and you can draw in more light, and maybe you have a part that doesn't feel enough, doesn't feel like it's enough, and send it love. And if you've ever seen little babies and everyone was once a little baby, all they deserve is all the love in the world and send that part so much love, and as you draw in light, maybe you have a part that feels like it's better than others and send it love, send it an enormous dose, and it's not a love that confirms its superiority, it's a love that affirms its insecurity and fills those holes drawing in light and sending love to each of these aspects that is an imposter of the purity and unity of and uniqueness of you and continue that in times of sleeping and dreaming and recognize that this simple act of blessing, drawing in light, and bl sending blessings to all of these aspects of you can be turned outward. And Sunday is the day that we're recording this, and Sunday is a kind of a funny day because it can be the day of rest, but it can also be the day of unrest because so many people think about Monday on Sunday when everything spins back up, and maybe you have a weekly meeting that you don't want to go to, or you're gonna have an assignment that you have to pick up again and draw in light and send love to the meeting. Send love to this crazy construct called time, send love through all of the bumps that you anticipate tomorrow to bring to you draw in light and send love to that person who's gonna be in the car, surrounded by other people in cars that don't want to be where they are. Send that love of acceptance and inside every dose of love is joy, it's the joy of being alive, the joy of being present, the joy of being here. And draw in that light and recognize the blessing of that light for what it is, and send out that love maybe to a regret that you have. Something in the past that maybe you didn't behave in the way that you felt you should have or could have. And drawing in light, you can send love to that person who used to be you or you used to be, and heal them in that moment of imperfection. And draw in light and send out love to the people that that younger you hurt or was hurt by. And draw in light and send love to the entire. History that you bring that is unprocessed emotion. The box of rocks. The things that weigh you down, the things that make you feel like you are anything less than a child of God. Drawing in light and sending love to all aspects of who you were, who you are, and who you will be. And drawing in light and sending out love as you breathe. Is a request that I make to you now in times of sleeping and dreaming in the days and weeks and months to come. That you bring this on as a permanent practice that as you breathe some aspect of your unconscious brings this notion forward where every inhale is a cleansing action, and every exhale is a blessing that you confer on yourself, on others, on conflicts, on countries, on cities, on families, on friends, on foes, on everyone in all directions, multiplied by infinity, and recognize that you are a source of both light and love. And in times of sleeping and dreaming, I invite you to install this notion so deeply at your core that you become playful as an experimenter of where you and how you bless yourself and others. That's right. And I invite you to slowly allow whatever remnants of this idea that are necessary for you to keep in consciousness. And keep and bring them back in consciousness. And also to leave the bulk of it to your unconscious mind to continue the process of installing this infinite field of possibility that you can take with you as you bring your attention back to the moment. And you can open your eyes and rejoin the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:21

Such a wonderful experience. And then like I open my eyes and I see your your I don't know what color that is.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:28

It's pink at the dungeon.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:30

It's a shirt, the bright shirt. It's like, oh, here's the reality again. I was in this other place now. It's a beautiful reality nonetheless, but it's just a different reality than it was just.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:43

The shirt is dialed all the way up to 11.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:46

I love it. I love it. We need more shirts like that in this world. Uh thank you so much. And again, everyone listening, watching. Um, here will be I'll have the descriptions below on how you can get in touch with him, his writing, and his work and his teachings. Thank you so much, Hugh.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:03

Thank you, Ryan. It's been awesome.