Karl Smith: The Kinetic Shift and Military Precision in Hypnosis

Sensitive language warning: for those that already know Karl, you already know this...there may be one or two or more F bombs. Maybe.

In this episode of AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe, Ryan talks with Karl Smith, the creator of the Kinetic Shift technique and founder of the UK Hypnosis Academy. Karl shares his transition from a high-stakes career as a military and police firearms officer to becoming one of the most recognizable names in modern hypnosis.

The conversation focuses on Karl's "no-nonsense" approach to rapid change, moving away from traditional, long-winded scripts toward active, kinesthetic interventions. They discuss the "Kinetic Shift" method—a four-stage process designed to resolve trauma and emotional blockages quickly by bypassing the analytical mind. Karl also dives into his experiences working with veterans and first responders, emphasizing the need for tools that work in the "real world" where people don't have time for months of talk therapy.

Ryan and Karl explore the importance of intent, the power of non-verbal communication, and Karl's mission to professionalize the industry through aggressive, result-oriented training.

Key Takeaways & Meaningful Quotes

• "I don't want to hear your story. I don't care about the 'why' of the trauma. I want to know where you feel it in your body right now, and then I want to use your own energy to get it the hell out of there." 
• "Traditional hypnosis is often too slow for the warrior mind. When you're dealing with someone from a military or police background, they want a mission. Kinetic Shift is that mission; it's fast, it's tactical, and it gets the job done." 
• "The analytical mind is a liar. It makes excuses for why you stay stuck. My job is to distract that liar for long enough that the subconscious can actually step in and do the clearing it’s been wanting to do for years." 

How to Connect and Work with Us

Connect with Karl Smith:

Explore Karl’s Kinetic Shift courses, clinical work, and extensive video resources to see how he uses rapid hypnosis to transform lives.

Website: karlsmithhypnotherapy.com

YouTube: youtube.com/@karlsmithhypnosis

Work with Ryan DeJonghe:

Ready to explore your own transformation through hypnosis?

Website: trancewell.help

Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hey, welcome everyone. We have Carl Smith on the episode. Welcome here, Carl. Hello there. Hello, and thank you for being here. Uh, just a little brief introduction uh for the people that are listening to know how my connection to you is that we have never spoken before. The reason I come about your name and our conversations on Facebook is because in the Mike Mandela Hypnosis Academy, people can't Mike Mandela.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

Who this Mike Mandela keeps turning up in my life, I'm telling you. I mean no, no, who is this guy?

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Mike Mandela keeps stalking me. Mike Mandela. And then it's all the members that I brought up your name. They're like, how do I do this? Or how do I resolve this issue with PTSD or phobias or or addictions? And they're like, oh, well, Carl Smith has this technique, Carl Smith has this technique. And so again, welcome. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

No, you're more than welcome. No, and it's good to say if they might if the Mandela crew are listening, they're very good friends of mine. Me and Mike are very, very good friends, and we uh we have the same opinion on a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

That's rare. I'm fighting in the hypnosis community of 30,000 members now on Facebook, having the same opinion is a rare phenomenon.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Oh mate, it's one thing you've got to remember is opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one. I mean, you could you could have 15 hypnotists in a room and have 40,000 answers. Do you know what I mean? It's everyone has their opinion their opinion, and we'll probably digress into this interview in a moment about why I stay with where I am and come back to fundamental basics. That very reason. And um, I know you know, and talk to Mike and many other people that I travel around the world with teaching, teaching with and going around the world with it. We we fundamentally like to keep it big very basic. Because when you overcomplicate this, people think too far outside the box, and then they start before your NLPs go, I know there's no box, right? And the thing is exactly the thing is is that they do start to overcomplicate it like that, you know, but there's no box. The first thing that NLP is say to me, there's no box. Who gives a shit about the box? But the thing is, is that we do have this tendency, and there is this huge tendency to overcomplicate, and especially in a world of marketeering as well, when hypnosis itself is very, very easy. And when you when you know, we bring Mike up, me and Mike are very good friends. So Mike teaches my stuff, I teach Mike's stuff. We've got this very lovely thing going on with me, him and Chris, and all that, and many other trainers around the world. Sure, Michael Andrews, and you know, we we all talk and we all do stuff, we all do things very differently, but but at the core, some of the best trainers around the world keep it fundamentally simple, and and and that is the that's where I sit with all of this. You know, I I get so agitated when I see people say I've got a 900 re-step, you know, and I've got this this idea, and and and you missed number number 34 in this means it didn't work. You're like, Jesus Christ, fucking going on here.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

And it seems like each step that they have, the 900-step program that they invent is like another layer of investment now and a secret handshake, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Well, and that's the thing, you see, is that we're in a world where money, money, money, money, money, you know, money, money, money. And like funny enough, I've just been listening to my six-year-old boy say that. Um, but the thing is is that um is that we are in an environment now where we're stepped away from fundamental basic hypnosis that works into if I overcomplicate this, I can sell you a really, really shit product. I can charge you, I can charge you five thousand pounds for a really shit product that you can get on Timu for fucking 10 pence.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Timu, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

You know what I mean? Yeah, and and and it really is. I think, you know, and I and I know that we haven't we've already just kicked this off, but I think fundamentally, I think that when people step aside and they look at it's not it's not people people aren't looking for techniques, people aren't looking for certification. Don't get me wrong, if you're just starting in this profession, my heart goes out to you. Lovely certificate, do what you need to do, enjoy it, stick it on the wall, have a lovely time. But your clients are not interested in that. Some states in America require you to do certain things, but to be honest, that's not really checked either because the you know you can make your own certification up because there is no you know actual accrediting body. There are bodies out there that offer accreditation, but they're not actually real, you know, they're they're clerks, they have no, they've they have no jurisdiction to shut you down. But when I'm talking about accreditation, and I'm talking about those type of things there, I'm talking about like doctors, if they are done for malfeasance or they do something wrong in office, they're struck off. An orthopedic or a chiropractor uh in England, I'm not too sure what it's like in the States or Canada, but an orthopedic surgeon or a chiropractor or a dentist does something wrong, struck off. Whereas in hypnotherapy, you cannot be struck off. So when we're talking about governance, about legal, clinical, medical governance, and I get this people, oh yeah, I'm in this accredited body. Can they stop from working? No, they can't stop you from working, and they can't stop you, especially in today's world with Zoom, they can't stop you working and doing anything. It's this whole criteria about that. So when you see me bleating on about it, and and I know Mike's mentioned it before, you know. Um I'm I I will say it, but um, you know, we we firmly believe that you know that some of the stuff out there is fast food, very fast food, you know what I mean? It's very good for you initially. Some of the training is really good for you initially, but it'll give you the shits later down the line, and that's exactly where we are with this. And I'm really sorry if some people have never seen me before, but on the same time, I'm very direct when I am. I I love my job, I love my path. I'm very passionate about my work, and I and I don't like people being ripped off. I've been doing this, I've been doing this 17 years now, I think 16, 17 years, and yeah, all over the world. I've had the right privilege, do you know what I mean? To to do this, and I get very passionate about it when I see people get this they they they wreck their careers because they're so caught up in the minutiae, they're thinking the bigger picture, you know. For instance, I was talking to somebody the other day who's in California, who said you can't practice in California. I was thinking, well, fuck me, I I teach in Los Angeles and I've taught in San Diego and I've taught in San Fran, I've taught Seattle, so you know, and I know that's the next thing and I taught in Las Vegas, I've taught in New York, and I've taught in Arizona, you know, and I'm just thinking, where do you get this one? But that's the mindset. It's a very, very small mindset about you're not in my accrediting body, you're not, you're not doing what I'm doing. Right, right. All right, but I so here's here's one top tip for your listeners, and I always tell my students this see yourself as a global asset, not a village arsehole. The moment you become a global asset and start thinking about clients in Australia, in Switzerland, in Canada, in America, in UK, in Ireland, in Iceland, like I do, then you realize you don't need that umbrella of of love. That I'm I'm in this accrediting body. And I get it, right? Some people are just starting out, but I don't know. I know that we just went on a complete and out of time where we're gonna start.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

And yet it ties together because you mentioned overcomplicating things and overcharging and and not getting results because of that, because it's kind of clouds the pure form of it. And that and then you mentioned doing this for 17 years, and it reminds me of your origin story of going to someone and overcomplicating things, labeled as cognitive behavior therapy.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

So you had PTSD. Do you mind taking us to that story? How you got started?

SPEAKER_02 7:48

I actually got it wrong there. It's called cognitive CBT, it's called cognitive behavioral torture, right? It makes you want to keep swimming around in your own ship.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

And then a little and then a little line in here, it just reminds me of a great line by this famous philosopher called Kanye, Kanye West. And he said, I don't negotiate with therapists. Yeah, no, that's brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

No, the thing is so so for those people that have never bumped into me before and just met the first four minutes of carnage, by the way. So you know, I I think my background dictates of where I am, and I think that for my when I go through it, you'll understand. I did 12 years in the British Army, went to all the places that your holiday representative definitely won't send you to. Did the Iraqs, the Kosovo's, the Bosnias, Northern Irelands. I've seen the best, and you know, I've seen the best and worst of humanity in my military career. Um, and then I left the army and then joined the police and then became a SWAT officer quite and I say SWAT that for my UK friends, a tactical firearms officer. For my US Canadian friends and around the world, it's SWAT. That's what we are. We were doing all the tactical stuff where we were going through, you know, doing you know, really fun stuff. Uh, but then my my life changed uh in August 4th, 2006, when I was hit by a drunk driver, a DUI, somebody who was under the influence of drink and drugs, and he um he crashed through the front of our house. I ran out, and then uh he um I grabbed, bearing in mind somebody thought they were being smart one day and thought they caught me out. I wrapped my hand around the seat belt and was trying to get him out. And they said, Well, he he he said it he demonstrated it with his left hand and then hit him with his butt. Oh, really? We drive on the right side of the fucking is I wrapped my hand around the seatbelt, and that's really important because as I was trying to get him out of the car, the drink driver, the car rattled down, hit the floor. I got caught underneath the car, and it rattled me underneath the car for a bit, and then I popped out and he never meant to, and it's very easy for me to say now, you know, we're a few years down the line now. In fact, hang a minute, it's a 20th anniversary this year. Oh my god, 20 years that happened, anyway. So the um yeah, 2006. Um, and he he hit the accelerator, he was in a in a drop because we have I don't know, you call it shift stick, I think, over there. You where we have gears, we're predominantly gears, we don't have automatic, whereas predominantly when I'm over the over the other side of the pond, we have you have automatic cars that you know just in drive you're off. Whereas we go we go for the refined purpose of one to six, you see. And um yeah, and long story short, is he was in an automatic that day, a normal car for your good selves, and he just stuck it in drive, he was in reverse, stuck it into drive, hit me again, and dragged me down the road. But on the second one is when I headbutted the number plate off, and that's how he found his car. Um yeah, so where he just drove off into the into the distance. So yeah, he left me with um damage to my legs, my arm, my lower back, my uh my upper back, my shoulders, uh, my face, and um a couple of injuries to my head. And uh the long story short is uh is that he left me in a really bad way. And um and what happened next is is that is just a case of um I had you know I went through the physical pain, you know, I was in plaster cast in both legs, I had plaster cast on my right, I think it was a yeah, I can't remember now, but right arm. There was a bandage on one of them and a plaster cast on another. I was in a neck brace for a bit and all those type of things, and it was a long process. But I was at the time, I um the doctors gave me um two sets of drugs, no, three sets of drugs actually, and one of those was called Tramadol. Um, I don't know what the US name, I don't know what the what the party line name is for it, but over here it's called Tramadol, and it's um a drug that that's used on horses as well for tranquilizing horses. And um I I was getting quite happy on those. I was getting, you know, just popping those every day and sticking those down because what I was finding is as the physical pain was dying off, the the emotional roller coaster was trying to kick in. And the more and more I ate the Tramadol, the more and more the naughty noise went away. Now we now know that to be uh, you know, a system of um you know masking of masking stuff up and things like that. And um what happened is is that is that I became really friendly with Jack Daniels and Tramadol, and we became really close friends, and um uh nobody could get me away from my friends, even though how hard they tried to get me away. Me and Jack Daniels were were to say, you know. So uh and that went on for a bit until eventually I tried something stupid one night where I thought I would end it all because I thought it was a burden to my family, and um then uh the police intervened. I was I tried taking my own life on a on a on a bridge, a rather light heart bridge just up the road from here, funny enough. And um, yeah, and uh the police turned up and one of them recognised me, realised I was in a de desperate state. They took me in for a bit of an interview and stuff like that. They realized that the CBT, the cognitive behavioral therapy, or torture as I like to put it, anyone who likes putting somebody through the same problem over and over again is a burn mark is horrid. Um, and um counselling. Now, let me get this right. There are some good CBTers out there, and there are some good um counsellors out there, but it the military emergency services seem to have this one size fits all type process, having uh, we're gonna offer you counselling. Well, counselling doesn't work for everybody, you know, and a lot of people uh may disagree with me, but on the same token, uh, sometimes a beer or a good bottle of red wine with a close friend can achieve the same result as going to see a counsellor. You know, you sometimes sit there with a counsellor, the amount of times that I speak to people that go to counsellors and they go, we don't really fucking do anything. We just sit there talking about shit, and it's the same process, do you know what I mean? And sometimes your friends have got better fucking better ways of telling you that you're stupid anyway. Do you know what I mean? So, um, but I'm not saying that I'm not saying that it's not. Um, I'm saying is that CBT and counselling didn't work for me, and that's something you have to be very cautious of, you know, because you have to try and pick up the people that haven't experienced hypnosis yet. This is what happened to me. And a police officer, a serving police officer down in London who I have not seen for 17 years and saw it last Sunday. It's really weird that how that came up. So, anyway, he did. I saw him last Sunday in uh in a coffee shop, and um, yeah, and uh the the long story short is he said I I know hypnosis, and I said, and I'm from a holiday, a holiday resort in Great Britain, I've been a lovely big island. We've got some lovely beaches and stuff like that, and very Victorian type stuff. That's where I'm from, a Victorian seaside place called Great Yarmouth, and um, and my only point of reference to to that was um was when I was about 13-14 years old. Yes, you can all imagine this as the great hypnotist that I think I am. Um, you can all imagine this that I used to be in a little white shirt with a dicky bow and a pink striped little waistcoat on, selling fucking ice creams at the intervals of stage shows. And one of the stage shows that was on every Sunday was a guy called um um Ken Webster. Uh and Ken and Ken's still going to this day, and he was there, and I used to think, what a load of shit this is. There's always people up there, you know, doing this and doing that, and doing no, that's fucking not that. So my only point of reference was is that it is is the is the fun stuff, and I have no objections to that. I think every hypnotist, whether you're a clinical or whatever you want to call yourself this weekend, should do stage training. I really do. Um, but but the thing is that my uh when I was in the police, my only point of reference was is that so I was going, no, I ain't doing that. And he said, No, no, no, no, no. Let me come over and show you. And he did, and that was the catalyst that went bang to onto bigger, bigger things. And it's really important you understand that. And a lot of people say to me, because I've got my YouTube channel, I think there's about 940 videos, I think, on there now. I'm trying to beat David Schneider. If you don't know who David Schneider is, go find David, he's a very good friend as well. But um being Dave, you know, at the end of the day, it's about showing people you can do it, it's not about ego. A lot of people get caught up with that blowing doors out, driving fast police cars, and working with doing all these funky things that I've done in the past. That's ego. This is fun. I love that. But the thing is, is that I've always been very keen to educate people, and I can't get that across to some therapists because they're so worried about the acronyms behind their names, they're so worried about the certificate on the wall that means fuck all. And um, you know, and it's just one of those things, really, that I've always been passionate about. And that that that that intervention with a guy called Ben that day never has left me about how I was going, I ain't doing that, I'm not doing that, I'm not doing that. It's bullshit, it's a load of bullshit. Let me show you something. What are you gonna show me? Just let me show you something. Give me two minutes of your time, and I'll change your life. And that's exactly what happened. And lot lots of people within this profession are so worried about the bullshit in the minutiae, they're forgetting to capture the people that are going, I don't really like this. Because they're scared of their own shadows, they're worried that the accreditating board might kick them out, or may lose their certificate because they haven't bowed down to their to their cult leave, if you know what I mean, all that type of shit. So I'm very when when I do things, I'm very passionate about it because of that very reason about how my life really did change because of hypnosis and how I see hypnotherapists, and it's you know, that and that's you know, 25 years of being in the military and being in teams in in firearms teams in the police and all that type of stuff. That's that's my personality. It's about pushing, driving, working with teams, getting the best out of people, making sure that if I do something, I'm you know, I'm there on spot, ready to do stuff, and and and I find that people, you know, when you leave the military and the police, people say, What's your biggest transition problem? And I say, Fucking people, that's my problem. People are the biggest cause of my stress because they don't have that that drive. But when I'm working, I my training manager Andy, me and him used to work with each other. We're we're like this, we we both have so we're drove, we're driven, we know what we're doing. And when I see therapists wasting their time on the next thing, on the next thing, on the next thing, I just feel so sad that you're not you're doing it, you know. It's that one, there's a high possibility a trainer doesn't know anything about hypnosis. That is a very high possibility, right? Uh not not not all the time, but there are a lot of sh there's some really good people out there, and you know, we all go to Hypno Thoughts, we all travel around the world, we all, you know, we all go to conferences and that. Some really good people out there. There's a lot of sausage factory bullshit out there as well. And you know, they're like that next, next, next, they don't give a shit. You know, they they read the same script. That's another thing I'm gonna come on to. Um, that they they read the same script that they were taught because they know no better, right? Because they think that's right, and you're like, how are you doing? You know, when people are coming out of training and they haven't got, you know, I myself and Barry Neal and Mike and Melissa Tears, and we all sit there sometime. David Schneider, we just look at things and just go, why don't you just teach these fucking people properly in the first place? Right. Why don't if you taught them properly in the first place, they wouldn't need scripts, but is that why it's a sign of bad training? That's and it always is, and and I've always found that because you know, with especially with scripts, I don't care what you say, uh as in people say, I know for a fact because of the way I work, scripts are, and I think Mike first coined this scripts like uh Mc McDonald's, they're very appetizing at the beginning, but gives you it give you the shits a couple of hours later. Same process with scripts, they're not centre focused, they're not to a script is designed for one person for the therapist to hide behind. That's all it is. That is all a script does, um, and you can paint it in any colour that you want, but that that is it. Because when you work as a as a real hypnotist, a pure hypnotist, you work content-free and you work directly with the subconscious, unconscious monkey brain, yeah. Then I really do think that you then understand hypnosis. And like you said at the very end, you want me to do a demo. Well that we'll talk about that later on. But but the main thing is is that is that I I really I really I love I've got a passion about this because it saved my life. And when I see people poorly trained by really bad trainers, I know Mike's the same as well. I keep bringing Mike up, it's only because we talk quite a lot. I'll have to tell him by the way, I've brought his name up in vain. I'm gonna have to vox him and say it. Mike, I mentioned you again. Man, Carl mentioned you.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

It's interesting. And I'm stuck on the one part where he says some of them, hypnotherapists, focus on the next thing and the next thing and next thing. What do you mean by they're doing the next thing and the next thing?

SPEAKER_02 20:53

They're looking for the next new shiny thing. When the next new shiny thing should be realistically, in my opinion, people by people. They're not interested in certificates. But I I work in I work in government level, I work in NHS, which is our NHS system, which is our free healthcare over here. Uh, I work in police, I work in AMBO. Um, so um, you know, um EMS for for my guys, for you guys and girls over the water, but fire, ambo, um, Coast Guard. I work for, none of them have ever asked me for my certificates. They've never asked me for anything. Do you know why? My YouTube channel. My YouTube channel shows who I am, what I do, and I can do it. That's all people want to know. The old meth, the old way, because we've shifted on so far in the past 20 years, about this. Oh, you need to be accredited, and you need that's in a modern world, that's dying. It's dying, and you know, more people want to influences and stuff like that, which I think I come into that category. I may not earn the money, you know, with the long. Legs and the blonde hair, that's only on OnlyFans, by the way. If anyone wants to, but but the but you know what I mean is that is that my job is to influence people to show people proper techniques and ideas and work from YouTube. And when somebody says, Carl, have you ever worked with COVID before? There's the video. Carl, have you ever worked with trauma before? There's still there's a load of videos there. Yeah, um, and Carl, have you ever worked with amputations before? There's two or three videos there. I don't sit there with with certificates on my wall, right? Certificates on my YouTube channel. And a lot of therapists negate marketing and business. They really negate their marketing and business for the next new shiny fluffy course. Oh, I'm now a gas, you know how many times do we see it? You know, but don't anyone who's watching this, I do enough of these videos now. Like to know when to talk to people. When I'm not having a go at you personally, I'm saying to people as in the people watching this, I'm saying pick a fucking lane. Pick a lane and stay in it. If you are gonna be a specialist in something, don't put up the following. You've just done another weekend course. So last week you were a specialist in anxiety. Now you're a specialist over here in gastric band. Pick a lane.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah. And then I yeah, I'd like to ask you about that because before I came on here, I was looking at your one of your latest blog posts on your website, is talking about the niching down. And then you but and then you just mentioned on your YouTube channel you have COVID, you have amputees, you have this, you have that.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

So I look so here's one thing for you. I I give a repertoire of everything I can do. My YouTube channel shows I'm competent in what I do because there's a lot of incompetent, there's a lot of incompetent people, and it's not their fault, it's bad trainers, very, very poor trainers, not people, because they don't know any better. Now, through the years, I've been doing this for 17, 18 years, I can pick everyone who knows me knows I'm a post-trauma guy. But if you go to my channel and somebody says, Carl, have you ever done this, this, and this, I can show them a rep, I can show them a folio of how well I do. When I when I've picked up TV work before, I in America and Canada and in England as well, and in Australia, when I picked those up, they were found by YouTube. They were like, Fucking hell, look at this guy. Yeah, this guy's cool. Yeah, he's got a whole ream of stuff. We could probably pop a you know, when you work for TV, it's like how how long are the strings? Go monkey boy over there, monkey boy, go perform that. But the thing is, is that that's the thing. Can he do street? Yes. Could he work with an amputee? Yes. Can he work with covert people? Yes. Can he work with trauma? Yes. Could he help a nine-year-old with a fear of or of bed wetting? Yes. That so it shows that whole thing there. But predominantly on my website, I am trauma, I am reality and trauma. Now, when we talk about niching, right? When we talk about niching, a lot of people get caught up, by the way, with I'm going to be a niche in anxiety, I'm going to be a niche in this, and that's fair cop. Good. But what you also have to remember is you have to niche in your personality. When people come to me, let's say, let's say, let's say you've got you've got an average therapist, and I mean I mean this in the I'm trying to say this in a very very polite way. I'm not trying to be arrogant. What I'm trying to say is you're your archetypal nodding therapist, right? Tell me what your problem is, right? Great. And and they sit there and they go through the problem very slow, methodic. There is a time and a place. There is a time and a place for that. There is a time and a place for those people who love their spiritual, their unicorns, and all of that type of stuff, rubbing rubbing obsidian all over themselves and whatever they do at the weekend. There's a time and a place. I'm not that one. I am the therapist that goes, fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. Let's get this fucking shit done. Now, some of your your your viewers will be sitting there going, That's that's that's right. But I'm not fucking catering to those down the road. I'm catering to those people that have been to the unicorn stroker, that have been to the archetypal therapist that just sits there doing the nodding. Right. There must be something different out there. Then they watch my YouTube channel and go, What the fuck is going on there? Yes. I'm talking about let's get things done, let's push things through, let's do it. Yeah, it's you know, and it's very driven, a different energy. And you know, what you know, you can ask Chris, you can ask Mike. I'm the same fucking idiot in a therapy room as what I am standing with the bar with N2. Right. Because people buy people. If when you get when therapists get that in their big fat coconuts, right, then guess what? They become successful. Anyone I've ever taught before has always thought they need to sit in this imaginary box. NLP has calmed down, there isn't a box.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

They always pipe up, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Oh no, there's no fucking box. Oh, you said the word try, shut up. But anyway, but the the point being is that I'm currently working with somebody who was very much into some a very special, I'm not gonna mention it, but in a very, very, very, very specialized arena. And for ages she thought, no, no, no, I'm gonna be an archetypal, not in therapist. And she was bored, and then she said to me, Right, I've got an idea for something. I said, Go for it. I said, What is it? And she did it, and do you know what? She has gone now, she has gone absolutely bonkers. I don't mean books full, because she followed her passion. Yeah, she didn't stick to the tell me what your problem is. She went, let's fucking have some fun. And do you know what? Fun, yes, full. And a lot of people and and and a lot of therapists don't realize this, but times have changed. So when I'm watching people and they're doing their training and they're like, Yes, and we must do this, and we must do that. Your general Joe public are fucking moved on 20 years, right? If you watch the YouTube now, if you watch um reels or you watch shorts or anything like that, the world has changed. People want instant gratification. Now, I do not disagree, I don't say that you can change everybody in one session, but you can make a remarkable change, right? You can't fix everybody. This whole idea about we fix people and my client was a hundred percent better. You're a fucking liar, you're an absolute liar. Nobody is a hundred percent better. And the when they walk in, because life is full of variations and life is not Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory. All we do is prepare our client for the next wave of shit. That's all you do, and when you understand that, which I did fairly early on, is that somebody comes with a fear or phobia. We all know that the issue is never the issue. That's that's not a Carl Smithism. That's a you know, if you go to the amount of people that go to the doctor and go, Doctor, you know, I've got lower back pain, then all of a sudden you find out it's a kidney problem. So with their back, or you know, I've got a pain, you know, my foot, and they find out it's a uh something that's up in their lower back, or you know, it's a symptom, right? It's merely just a fucking symptom. So when somebody says, I've got anxiety, this that and the other, I sit there, listen to them for 30 seconds, and they go, right, should we get on with it? Then that's why I work content-free. I don't have a consultation because I don't I let them tell me what I think it is, but then move on. Because the issue that's that's presented is very, very, very, very, very rarely the actual problem that's going on in their life. So so the reason is is that a lot of therapists spend their time on um, they have a problem, they work like this and fan out and try to find out where all the problems are. I start the other way around, I start with all the shit and then hone it in. I come the other way. So I when I start my sessions off, I say basically let's let it all out now. And then what happens is is as they're throwing all this stuff out, then we then narrow it down into an into a corner. And I tell you now, even I've got a video that I haven't posted yet. There was a lady on a course the other day, absolutely, she was absolutely miserable. And she's actually doing Mike's course, so I will mention his name, but on the same token, um everyone was working with her, and I did a contact, she'd done all these sessions with people, and I did a session with her and started outwards and then worked inwards, and it worked out it was nothing to do with a bad husband, it was nothing to do with a bad child, it was nothing to do with this, it was the bereavement of a dog. It was the bereavement of a dog, and you know what she said to me. Do you know what? After that session, my life changed. I had not got over um George's George's the parson of George's dog. I was like, Isn't that really weird? You know, but the knock-on effect was huge, right? So I don't start with the Yang when it's I've got a sphere of spiders, I don't give a shit. I don't I don't care. I just move around that and then work with the subconscious, unconscious brain, and then literally just hone in on what really is going on rather than what's been festering around. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 31:05

I love that. And of these 900 videos you have on YouTube, how did it all start? Like now, just clients see you on YouTube, you're talking about TV studios, they see you on YouTube. Where did it start? Where did the clients start first coming in? Well, with my YouTube channel. I mean, even before that, so you had to have clients to show the proof. Now, where did you get the proof to begin with?

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Now, believe it or not, Carl's not always been a showman. Carl was very, very, very, very shy. And when I was in the police, I was given a job, um, which is called post-incident. It's it's this it's something that happens after a police shooting or police uh death in custody or a serious incident, death or injury, serious custody. And I I was involved very heavily in what's called post-incident. And um the first time I was ever asked to deliver that lesson, I fell flat on my ass. I I my my my heart was like this, and I didn't know the lesson, I didn't understand the lesson properly. I was the new kid, here you go, off you go. Yeah, roll on 18 months later, I was one of the UK's leads in that field because I dedicated myself to something that by accident, which was a charity, and uh I dedicated myself to that and I became one of the leads. And eventually I ended up going around police forces around the UK, and I've done US as well, um, where I've talked about post-incident and about police shootings because they're very, very different over in England compared to uh and Wales and Scotland compared to overseas, really. Um very, very, very different. We don't obviously we don't have the right to carry firearms over here, so you know we've got a firearms incident, you know, they're they're few far between. Do you know what I'm doing what I mean? Yes, we've got a problem in certain places with knives, but every uh you know, everyone's everyone's got a shithole like that, haven't they? So but the thing is is that yeah, I became I became that lead in that and and then my confidence grew. Then eventually, what coming back to your initial question, how did I get to that position? One thing that I always teach people um when I'm working with them is to go do it, do it, do a night out. And I don't know if if this means anything to your viewers, but a Tupperware party, something like that. Yes, that people used to go around with tubs, didn't they, around somebody's house and flog them and say, Yeah, do you want to buy an order or um what was it, body shop or something like that? Right, right. A rep would go around somebody's ass and do it. Well, how my career started was actually something I want all your viewers to look at is past life regression. Now, I can't, I don't really buy into past life regression. Some of your viewers will love it. Good on you. Get out there, go do it. But the point being is that with the past life regression thing, I used to do past life regression parties. So it used to start off with three or four women.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

I'm sorry, just to be clear, you didn't believe in it, but you did the parties.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

No, no, and when I first started in this profession, it's the same as anything. You think, oh, this could be real, and then you see it a few times, and to me, it just the love faded off for it, if that makes sense. I was like, got it. Okay, uh it's not really my bag, not really my baby. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Okay, so you had these uh past life regression tupperware parties.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah, yeah, past life regression part of tupperware parties. You go around and you and it predominantly is the women. I will have to say this is predominantly the women, but the women you go around there, and I take a an easel with a uh an A3 bit of paper on it, put the person into hypnosis, send them on a little merry journey, and then write down as we're going along. Oh, you can see rags, there's a river, 13th century, castle, whatever it was, you know, and all that lot, Merinda or whatever her name was, and then bring them out um and then give them that sheet of paper, then go away and they go do what they want. Then you get the next one in the chair, and by that time you're done two, they're all pissed, you get paid. But the problem the thing was is that it wasn't necessarily I was doing it for past life regression parties because I was picking up weight loss, stop smoking on the back end of them. So the back of the room sale in somebody's front room was if you've got any friends who want any hypnotherapy done, do it that way. Yeah, what happened? I used to do it that way, and then eventually it built my business that way by doing all these little parties around people's houses, and eventually it started going spiraling out of control, to which then I ended up getting bigger rooms and doing nights with a hypnotist like that. So instead of having four or five ladies or a couple of gents in a room with a bottle of Eno or they're sitting there supping away on a beer, I'd now I'd now have 40, 50 people in a room, and three or four, then back then upsell at the back of the room. Does that make sense? Yeah. So that that's that little that little thing there then transpired into something like that, which then transpires travelling around doing what I do around the world. Right, ladders up, yeah, and that's what it is. It's just a confidence thing and the ability, and one of the key things I love getting across to people is who gives a shit if it doesn't work, right? The biggest thing is that if you're doing a demo and it's all going wrong, don't worry about it, because the the people in the chair don't give a shit. Or, you know, or they're like, Well, what do I say next? Just shut up. Let them do what they need to do. Let this let the person this the show, believe it or not, is not about me. Right. You know, I'm trying to get as much information into your show as as much as I can, but actually, when I'm working, I don't really talk. So when when we're doing something like a past life regression part, I step back. I step back and just let it do that. It's the same as a stage hypnotist. A stage hypnotist wears black, they wear black and they they try to keep out of the way. Their job is to merely just poke and do things like that, you know what I mean? To get that nurture it out and make and make the show go. And it's the same, it doesn't matter. And a lot of people disagree with I don't care, but on the same token, doing a stage show, doing a Tupperware party, a you know, a past life regression party, and actually seeing a one-to-one client, they're all shows.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

They're all shows.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Elmin was a showman, Ericsson was a showman, Mesma was a showman, Charco, but uh uh Bernheim, they're all showmen. Right. They all stood on stage and performed. That's what you've got to remember. This is a fucking theatre performance. What we do, whether it's just uh, I'm just going to get you to put your hands like this now, and that's it's a pantomime. It's all one big pantomime. Right. Because let's come around to the fundamental basics of hypnosis. What is hypnosis? And I'm nobody's ever going to change my mind on this. No, but because I've come full circle on this. It's only two things belief and expectation. Does the client believe in you and do they expect something to happen? So you know it comes on to there was a discussion the other day about um, you know, you know, uh about hypnosis inductions. I don't use hypnosis inductions anymore because my belief the way people believe in me because of my YouTube channel. They believe in me and they expect something to happen because they've got my YouTube channel. So my belief and expectation is met by my YouTube channel. That's why I very rarely when people jump on Zoom, 95% of my work is done on this. So when I'm sitting there and I just go, right, that's it. Take a nice big deep breath, that's it. Yep. You just did it then, didn't you? So the thing is that yeah, you go back to it.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

It's that rapport, it's that expectation, it's that the belief and expectation.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

So if I say to the audience that are watching this now, the belief and expectation and the energy is there already. So what happens is that you have to have that belief and expectation put in place. You cannot hypnotize somebody without that belief and expectation. We were having a discussion the other day, and somebody said, Oh, I do a lot of TV shows. You couldn't get a bigger amplification because the TV shows amplified it, a show has amplified the bit the belief and expectation. And my point is when I'm always teaching this, I say the belief and expectation is so so important. To prove this point, walk up to somebody in the street and try and hypnotize them without telling them what it is. There's no belief, there's no expectation. They don't unknow what this is happening, there's no performance, there is no arena being set, there's no stage been set. So if you if you do that with your YouTube channel, set up your stage, set up your belief, set up your expectation, and people watch your YouTube channel, it's already been met. Right. And a lot of people don't see that. They just go, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's all about this. No, it's not, it's belief and expectation. You cannot walk up to a person in the street and just grab their hand and do some form of hand take induction and go sleep because they'll just go, What the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 39:45

It's true.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

You have to build a stage and you have to build a platform. And when you do a stage show or you work on TV, they are amplified because people are told, you know, people are told we've got a hypnotist coming on in a minute. Oh, we're going to do a stage show tonight. The amplification is built. You know, Elman proved it with the catalyst induction. If nobody knows what the catalyst induction, ask Cheryl Ellman for it. It's on C D three, I think it is. I did have an ear in an ego, funny enough. CD three. It's called the catalyst induction. And if Cheryl, if Cheryl, I'll see if I can get Cheryl to give me permission to load it. But the long story short is it's the one where Elman's smoking a cigarette. And as I take my first puff, that first puff, and what he's doing is he's building up the whole thing. In a moment, I'm gonna take a draw and take a draw on this cigarette. And the first puff is gonna make your eyes blink. The second puff is gonna make your eyes just get a little bit heavier. The third puff, you're gonna go into that hypnosis. So he's telling them what's then gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

I I love this because it involves him smoking, he's just relaxing like, hey, have you not heard it? Have you not heard it? Uh Cheryl's gonna be a guest on this in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Yeah, uh I will uh what I will do is I'll send you off air, but it's on one of the CDs. But yeah, it's called the catalyst induction, and you hit Elman because he was a performer, yeah. Yeah, you know, he did his vaudeville because I used to be one of Cheryl's trainers, so and Larry's, God bless him, you're little, my little man, my friend, and um yeah, we all went to Denmark, me and Cheryl and all that lot, and did some training over there. We became trainers for them. But one of those things when you listen about Dave uh Dave Elman was he was a performer, so is Melissa, and you you know, he was at Vaudeville, then he went onto radio, yeah, then he, you know, and then he built an but is the the way that he could the what where Elman was is the way that he enunciated and the way that was able to talk about there was um what is it? He's there's a lesson that he does on the radio where he's talking about these mixed berries or something like that, and they pour um they pour nitrogen over the top of them, and the way he's explaining it, yeah, visualize it so you can see how his hypnosis work was amplified because of his radio work and his performance. And on that on that catalyst induction, he's got a cigarette and he goes, On that first drug, I'm gonna do this, and on the second drug, make it and on the third one, but he does it in that in that um 1940s, you know, hey, what's gonna happen now? Yes, yes, yes, and you can hear that, but that's all part of the performance, it's all part of the stage, and it doesn't matter whether you're doing stage, clinical, whatever you want to call yourself this week, street hypnosis, yeah, performance. There has to be a stage met, there has to be a stage brought up, and you have to bring it up. Clinical hypnotherapists don't see it through the mud of their own eyes because they're just literally, you know, I've got a qualification and I'll just put it up. But actually, people by people, the most successful people are performers in this in this profession.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

I I love what you say about everyone should do some stage training.

unknown 42:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

And I come from the world of stand-up comedy before coming in here. Yeah, and I've done some street work as well. And I'm wondering when you go out to do your street work, because maybe they haven't seen, like you said, you can't just go up to them and be like, sweet, no.

SPEAKER_02 43:07

So hey yeah, go on, sorry, finish off.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Yeah, I was just wondering how you go about it. Because in my experience, I'll be like, hey, do you want a fun experience with the mind? And then I start shifting to doing a little mentalism trick first. I'm like, hey, do you want to see a cool like magic trick? And then I'll bounce. There's your intro. That's your intro.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

So you've got to perform an in, haven't you? Same as in mentalism magic. There's an in. Now with hypnosis, what I learned in Las Vegas, and especially for those people that have ever been to Hypnothots Live or anything like that, which I strongly recommend that you all do, pile over to Las Vegas, go to um Fremont Street, and that's really where when I was mentored by a guy called Jonathan Chase. And John Chase, um, many years ago, and many of your viewers may know him if they don't, he's got um don't look in their eyes. John Chase, his name is brilliant book. Um, he passed away uh last year. And um the the long story short is he was he was always in a wheelchair, but you know what? We used to walk around with hypnosis. T-shirts on. I'm a hypnotist. Ask me. Yeah. And just that little thing there really got it. So then I got started getting t-shirts with hypnotist on the sleeve. And if you are if you speak to Mike, and I think I've still got the text message here, that's when they got started doing their their JH uh, they started doing their MHA t-shirts after that because they started putting hypnotists on the sleeves and things like that. Because we were on there, you know, you know, it's the same as you can stand there in a black t-shirt and if people will walk past you, you can stand there with a t-shirt that says hypnotist on the back, ask me, and you're gonna get two different responses. That's forming the scene, that's doing that part there. So it's really important that people understand it's about forming that scene, you know, um, and getting building up that picture because it's really vitally important that people understand that uh that your pre-talk, your preamble, the way that you get business in this is around that. It people people if the hypnosis induction I'm gonna say something controversial, and most people don't like this, but if you think, and I ask people to think, right? The hypnosis induction is the end of the process, not the start of the process.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

The hypnosis induction is merely only there to fulfill the end of the belief and expectation. Do I need did Milton Erickson ever need it? Did Elman? No. Do I? No. Do that did did any of the greats ever need a hypnosis induction? No. It's something that's been made up over the past 30 years to sell people shit products. Do you actually know? Do you actually do you actually think that you actually need to do all um seven stages of the Elman um induction to fulfill hypnosis? No, they were all belief and expectation. That's all they were. And if you understand that your client should be hypnotized prior to them arriving in your office, you're onto a winner. Because the hypnosis starts the moment they look for a hypnotist or a hypnotherapist. The moment they're thinking hypnotist, hypnotherapist, they go, I need to go find somebody in my local area. Oh, there's somebody there. This um Carl Smith. There's this Carl Smith. What's he got here? Oh, he's got a YouTube channel. Oh, if I can watch it, then they watch my channel. By the time they get to me on here, they're already and that's it. I do not I when I'm teaching, what anyone who's ever done my live classes knows that I start teaching hypnosis inductions. Because when you when you show people that they don't need a hypnosis induction, it tends to send them all nutty, they're all like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. And it's a little bit too far out for them. So we start with the fundamental basics about magnetic fingers, which in itself is a beautiful induction, but actually, it's the only induction that I ever really use. Because if you understand a hypno if you understand hypnosis or a hypnosis induction, then you understand hypnosis itself. And hypnosis is about this pre-talk, this preamble, this belief in expectation. And if you build that into if you build that into your website, your YouTube, your shorts, your reels, your Facebook, and you build all of that in, and people find you and they see you doing it, by the time they come to you, you will never need a hypnosis induction. Never. I love that. There's one hypnosis induction that I really love doing, and it's so complicated that I'm never gonna teach you it now. Take a nice big deep breath, that's it, and close your eyes.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

You know, my model, I used to before my previous years, I was a minister, and then looking back now with the Henonic frame, I see church as the perfect thing. You come in, you get the music, you get them all worked up, you talk a little bit, and then what? Close your eyes, bow your head, and show me the money. Exactly. Exactly. Show me the money. Yeah, raise your hands if you love Jesus. Now use your other hand to reach in your back pocket.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

There we go. And I probably offend people there, but on the same token it is, they never ask for the money at the beginning of the show.

unknown 48:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

They never say, can we give me money first? Do you have to go through this whole preamble first? And then they start, and if they do take it at the beginning, they're asking for more at the very end.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Right. Special offering for the minister's jet, the private jet. Yeah, I gotta go minister to those people in Africa on my private jet.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Yeah, exactly. But the thing is, if if if if people that watch this understand that the hypnosis induction is the end of the process, and you think about it, and you and you really do think about it, go, right, so but and and a lot of people say, Well, they didn't go into hypnosis, it's because did they and you when you when you do the the autopsy, let's say, on what's gone on, you go, how long have you known the person for? Never met him before. All right. And did you did you do anything with them beforehand? No, I just started with a hypnosis induction. There is no there's no foreplay. There's no foreplay. It's the best way to explain it. There's no fucking foreplay. Right, right. So if there's no foreplay, then all of a sudden you're just going straight in and it's all that's why it doesn't go well.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Whereas if you introduce I love that analogy because, like, what's the best sex is the one with the best foreplay. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Yeah. But always this for me. I don't know about them. Anyway, the thing is, but the you yeah, but you're getting it. And the thing is, is about that little piece there, about that that little bit, and a lot of people say to me, Well, Carl, it shouldn't be on the website, this that and the other, blah, blah, blah, because you know, oh, you know, it's what you can do your pre-talk in two or three minutes. I can hypnotize somebody on the street. Sure, Michael Andrews, we'll go out and we'll do hypnosis and stuff like that. And the first couple are always a pain in the ass. I don't give a shit who it is, they're always a pain in the ass. But when you get a crowd around you and you stop that momentum, that's when it kicks off. That's the same principle. The stage has been set, the belief and expectation has already been triggered. That first one, trying to find the first one to work with, and especially when you're in Las Vegas, you're trying to find that first one to work with, it's always a pain in the ass. Then all of a sudden, one turns up. That one turns into can I have a go? Bang, bang, yeah, suddenly got 20, 30 around you, and now they're falling like ducks, and that's why. Yeah, because the show started, you know, and that's why that pre-talk, that preamble only takes I reckon I could get it down to 90 seconds, a good you know, a fairly good hypnosis pre-talk. But yeah, but the point being is that if you understand if you was to do your belief and expectation on a YouTube channel, on a on a YouTube show on Facebook or anything like that, and demonstrate what you can do rather than fucking chat a good talk. Yeah, there's a lot of people in this profession, they sit there and talk a good fucking show. But when you say, All right, show me, they go, Yeah, yeah, but but but look at my certificates. Certificate certificate is a certificate, is like when you get your car um checked over over here for uh um an MOT, or you get your car checked because you know, you know, for a yearly checkup or whatever it is, it's only as good as it is the fucking moment it passes. As long as it drives off the forecourt and it fucks up, that doesn't really matter. It's only at the point of the same as a certificate. A certificate is only as useful as when you were given to you, because if you don't do anything with it, then it's useless, right? Absolutely useless, right? And and and coming back to where we were at the beginning, because we're running out of time, but where the one of the biggest things I I see is that is is confidence, low confidence in hypnotists, and it's it's so depressing, really, that people when I sit in the guy that they they've spent 10,000 pounds on a shit course to get three letters behind their names. Do you know what I mean? That's fucking terrible. They spend 10 grand on a fucking course. And we can name names or not. They're the worst, they are the worst. Oh, I I paid 10 grand on a course. I am royalty. No, you're a fucking retard, not a fucking royalty. So the thing is is that is that you know, it's that confidence that that that that that that there's an air of arrogance with some of them, which is that wizard, that um uh uh uh what's he uh Dunning Kruger, that Dunning Kruger, you know, where they they their actual ability and what they're fucking describing is two different things, right? But the thing is is that is that you know, confidence that the lack of confidence in these people because I always say to people, even if you're not gonna train with me, always go to somebody that can prove they can hypnotize. The amount of hypnotist trainers out there that can't hypnotize is unbelievable. And um, you know, when people go, Yeah, we're just developing a script this week. I'm like, oh you poor bastard, you app you are with a fucking idiot because they don't understand hypnosis, the trainer doesn't understand it, and I don't care um how much money people have um um have spent on a course, and it's it's yeah, it's funny because you talk about these scripts, and in one part of my mind, like, are people really still using strict scripts?

SPEAKER_01 53:04

And then I turn and I look into the hypnotherapy group and they're like, I developed this AI program to be able to, it's like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

Um don't get me wrong, I know a few people who fucking do it in this profession, they're very good friends of mine. Yeah, it's got your asshole if you watch this. But the thing is, is that they sell it and it's and you know they're making a bit of coin, but on the same token, if we taught people properly in the first place, they wouldn't need these things because you know, did Mesma use scripts? Did did Braid use scripts when he taught people? No, we fucking didn't. We taught them pure hypnosis, they taught them you know, mesma and you know, and Braid and Elman fucking no, you know, Ericsson. Yeah, they taught them, they taught them the magic. That's what what they what people miss out on. That magic, that yeah, and hypnosis, what it's for. And Mike does it well as well, you know. Me and Mike talk about it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

And you mentioned this YouTube channel with 900 videos, and you're showing what you do. So are you having clients sign off and say, videotape me? That's that's something else.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Like well, people are worrying their asses about over there about little badges and shit like that. I'm punching up the next video that's got swearing on and getting clients in. And yeah, and and the thing is is that I'm showing people I can do it. That's the key thing. Can you do it? You know, and that and that that's one of the key things there. It fulfills the belief and expectation, you know, with that catalogue of this, that, and the other. You know, I get I get emails all day long, and it's now set up actually on Clawed. And I I've been playing around with AI for the past few weeks. Now I've got it set up that when people send me an email and say hi Carl, um, you know, in in the title or in the words that I've um I've suffered with trauma, blah, blah, blah. And if it says key words, then the video, then it does a response straight away with the video that's located on YouTube, sends it straight back to them. And that's how I get my book in. And then all and then the next email is hi, have you had another two days later? Would you like to book a session with me? Bang, bang, bang. Because it's done like that. But you know, because I'm not sitting there going, Oh, I'm your therapist, I'm fucking great. I'm going, let me show you.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

And she's saying, Don't tell them, show them.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

And do you I'm assuming you recorded all your sessions that are at least over are able to be recorded, and then you sign off and then be like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

Right. So a lot of people say to me, Um, how do you get permission to record sessions? Yeah. So so one of the key things is that 95% of the ones that are on my YouTube channel are either from my training days or from people that I've said, hi guys, I need to do some sessions. Anyone want any sessions? And I just record them and bang them up. But there's never any of my clients. Now, in my mentoring group, there are about three or four videos in there that I have recorded and received permission of because of some really funky thing that's happened during it. Like some weird exorcism. Yeah. They start doing floaty hand things and doing things like this, and the other one was mumbling, she was mumbling like some African type. I don't know. It was like blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm going, Ain't a minute, you're from she was from bloody, she was from down the southwest of England when they were talking like they got a carrot in their mouth, you know what proper farmers. But she was talking like she was like from some African, you know, it's like really those quite those. I think there's only three or four of those. And I've said to the client, that's can I use that as a training thing? I won't stick it on YouTube. Yeah, that's fine, Carl. Don't worry about it. Just make sure my name's not near it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so I scrub the name at the bottom and make sure I do it. Most of them are are working groups. Most of the so most of the people that are my mentoring and stuff like that. What they do is is um is they all come together, they all then say, Hi guys, I'm free this week. They record each other, do their techniques, prove they can do it, do some EFT, and they show a different catalogue. Like I said at the very beginning, it's about showing a portfolio of different things you can do.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

If I just leave it on this, people are not interested in these certificates, they're not, they're interested in people, people by people. And some of you may have thought this was a crazy roller coaster. That's brilliant. Doesn't mean that we can't have a beer at the end of the day, just means I'm not your therapist. Some might think, Fucking how, that was mental. I want to go book with it. That's fucking fine. But the point being is it's horses for courses. Some people sit there talking about unicorns and they talk about obsidian and they talk about all this, out and the other. Then you've got the ones in the middle who just sit there and nod and do that type of shit. Then you've got me at the end that says fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck, let's get this on. Yeah. And people buy that. It's got me TV work, I've had work, I'll teach all around the world, and I've made a career not in niching in being anxiety or weight loss, and that I've niche in fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. Yes. Cartman hypnosis. It's Cartman hypnosis. Anyone who ever keep my box.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Yeah, yeah. It's like if Kartman grew up and got into hypnosis, yeah, pretty much. All right, and in just a moment we'll do that little thing at the end we talked about, the little pre-talk. And before we get there, I'm wondering if something bubbles up in your heart right now and they ask you if you had one message to tell the world, what might it be?

SPEAKER_02 58:34

You can't change the past, you can only shape the future. I I always live my life as though it's the last six months of my what would you say to somebody if they knew it was that what would you know, what would you say to somebody if they only knew it was their last six months? You never know it's around the corner. Don't let fucking shit worry you. You can't change the past, you can only do what you can do in the future and live your life like you've only got six months to live because you fucking don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. Right.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

Beautiful. All right. And then now this uh usually when I have a hypnotist on here, we might do an induction or something, but you mentioned doing a pre-talk. So what do you got, sir?

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Well, so the the key thing about it is and we mentioned all the way through this video. Yeah, but it's about hypnosis, hypnosis, hypnosis, hypnosis. And one of the biggest one of the biggest things that I always talk about about hypnosis is is that when I'm doing anything, a lot of people use the word relax. Now you don't need relaxation to get hypnosis, you need hypnosis, you don't need relaxation, is a byproduct. So when you're doing anything and you talk about in a moment, in a moment, there's a few key words I'm gonna say now. Imagine, imagine, only imagine now, because don't forget, all we deal in is perceptual values, all we do is change perceptual values. People just people don't go ah anymore. They go, oh, that's all they do. Fear of spiders, fear of heights, doesn't matter what it is, our objective is merely to change the perceptual value of what it is, very fundamentally. So if you can imagine, just imagine, only imagine. The other thing, as well, is in a moment, so it just imagine, only imagine, in a moment, you're gonna let go of that. Then in a moment, in a moment, so I'm building up the belief, I'm building up the expectation. In a moment, I'm gonna do this with you. In a moment, the hypnosis is gonna hit the top of your head, and the hypnosis is gonna trickle down your forehead and just make your eyes blink. And as they just start to blink, what happens with that hypnosis? There you go. And as that hypnosis just starts to go, there you go, and it just goes through your body. That hypnosis there just starts to trickle through your body now, and that's it. You can just feel the hypnosis, and that's the hypnosis there. No, what not at one time, not one time there did I say the word relax. I said, just imagine what it would feel like to let go of that thing right now. In a moment, in a moment, builds the belief and expectation. Hypnosis is something that I've always said is activation of the imagination. That's all we do, right? It's cognitive fucking bullshit. I don't know where that's come from. It's another sales pitch for poor bastards. But we all we do is activate the imagination. Any of the good hypnotists over two, two, three hundred years, it's all about imagining activation of the imagination. That's all we do. So if you can get somebody to imagine that thing disappearing and fading away, you've already done something for it. If you can get them to believe that something's gonna happen in a moment, you've already achieved that. And if you say that hypnosis is gonna start that process now, there it'll just start to let it go now. Already I have a hypnosis session. I already that that is the it's predominantly the start of a hypnosis session. That pre-talk there will have people just nodding away like nobody's business, like you, no, and it's as simple as that. If you can use my imagin use your imagination in a moment and hypnosis, hypnosis, hypnosis and learn to be quiet, then that's when it is. Believe it or not, if you watch some of my videos, I did a video the other day about being quiet, and I walked out of the room during a session in a classroom, and I left the room for 25 minutes, I think it was 20 or 25 minutes to prove that I have to keep out of the way. Most therapists ruin sessions, not the client, the therapists. And they're always fucking chatting. Not letting the client do anything that they need to do, being prescriptive, walk down to Sandy Beach. I don't like fucking sandy beaches. Being too prescriptive and not allowing the imagination to fire up because that's where we work. We work in the imagination. When you understand that, that you work in the imagination, it's like Willy Wonka. Not fucking Willy Wonka in a chocolate factory around here. That's all we do.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

I do love chocolate.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Well, thank you. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. And we'll we'll be sure to put your links down below, and then when this goes on YouTube, we'll collaborate and people will easily see you as they already do.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Yeah, you can find me at Carlsmith Hypnosis on YouTube or Carlsmith Hypnotherapy.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Beautiful. Thank you again.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

No worries.