Bob Burns: The Swan, The Wall, and Talking to the Unconscious

In this episode of AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe, Ryan is joined by the legendary Bob Burns, a master hypnotist from Montrose, Scotland, and the creator of the world-renowned Swan protocol. Bob shares the fascinating history of how The Swan—a unique ideomotor procedure that allows for direct communication with the unconscious mind—evolved from his early days in stage magic and mentalism to become a staple in modern clinical hypnosis.

The conversation dives deep into Bob’s "no-nonsense" clinical approach, including his famous The Wall protocol for smoking cessation and his philosophy on the "Swan-Take". Bob discusses the importance of bypassing the analytical mind and why he believes the unconscious is not just a storage unit, but a protective, intelligent entity that can be bartered with to achieve rapid, life-changing results.

Whether discussing his experiences in the "old days" of hypnosis or demonstrating the elegant simplicity of the Swan, Bob provides an masterclass in rapport, clinical intent, and the art of working with the part of the mind that truly holds the keys to change.

Key Takeaways & Meaningful Quotes

• "The Swan isn't an induction; it's a way of talking to the part of the mind that doesn't usually get a seat at the table. Once that hand starts to move, the analytical mind has to sit back and watch the truth come out."
• "I don't care about the 'why' of the problem. I want to know if the part of the mind that is running that problem is willing to do something else instead. If we can get a 'yes' from the unconscious, the work is already half-done."
• "Clinical hypnosis should be a conversation, not a lecture. When you use The Swan, you aren't telling the client what to do; you're helping the client discover what their own mind is finally ready to let go of."

How to Connect and Work with Us

Connect with Bob Burns: Explore Bob's training, clinical protocols, and his extensive video library to learn The Swan and other high-level hypnotic tools directly from the source.

• YouTube: youtube.com/@BobBurnsHypnotist
• Website: lifelinehypnotherapy.com

Work with Ryan DeJonghe: Ready to explore your own transformation through hypnosis?

• Website: trancewell.help
• Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome everyone. And then we have power print. Welcome, PowerPoint. Welcome to the little power permanent. And everyone's already going all the time. It's like, whoa, this is the coolest stuff we've ever seen in our lives. And that's what we're getting to spot. So that's how I know you, Bob. So thank you so much again for being here. Let's, if you don't mind, back up a little bit. We use the word hypnosis. I'm wondering how long have you been doing hypnosis?

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Well, I hypnotized my first person uh in the autumn of 73. So at that time I was a lead vocalist with a band called Cockney Haggis. Uh and uh we were called Cockney Haggis because half of us were from the east end of London and the other half were Scottish. So Cockney, it's what they call somebody from the east end of London, that they can hear the bow bells, that's the real name for Cockney, someone who's born where they can hear the bow bells. And uh Haggis, of course, is the National Food of Scotland. So we'll call it some playing with Cockney Haggis, and uh it was the Queen's Hotel in Aberdeen, where we were billed as the funkiest band in town, which terrified us because we looked at each other and thought, I don't think we really do funk, do we? It's soul, RB, but not funk as such. So anyway, we'll see how we get on. But we went along and uh the the girl's name was was Liz, and she was the assistant manageress, and she came to the door to meet us, and she was very excited. She was wonderful, really, really wonderful host. And at this point, we've just backed the van up, we're taking stuff out of the van. And for some reason, and to this day, he doesn't know why he said it. He says, I don't know, I just I just opened my mouth, and I heard myself say to Liz, he pointed at me and he says, Don't look into his eyes, he's an hypnotist. And I heard him say that, and I and I and when I turned around, she was looking into my eyes and she was looking at so I just thought sleep. And I caught her, I caught her head just before it hit the ground. Now the band were terrified because they didn't know I was a hypnotist, and I was terrified because I didn't know I was a hypnotist. Yeah, right. So uh I remember doing a talk in London uh well I did it last year, but the year before that, on 2024, that would be with it. No, 2023. Anyway, I asked I told them this story, and I said, but here's a question for you. The question is, who hypnotized Liz? Was it me? Or was it was it Ray who told her, who gave a suggestion that I'm a hypothetic? Or was it or was it Liz who accepted the suggestion that I was a hypnotist?

unknown 3:04

Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

And that's a highly trained group of people in that room there, and although there were something like 300 in the room, I can tell you like over 290 believed it was Liz. And and I'm on their side, I think that's probably what happened there as well. Because I had no skills whatsoever. Right. So that's that's what happened there. So that so that got me thinking, geez, maybe I should have a look at this thing. So at that point in time, I'm already uh what would be called here in the UK, anyway, in Scotland, it's called an accredited healer. So I was an accredited spiritual healer, I loved it, I got involved in that. Um I went into the world of magic and mentalism. So I went back to my family, my father's side. They were always kind of weird guys doing strange things. My father had 16 brothers and sisters. So everybody, everybody knew something about the world. Yes, yes. And I started to learn this thing called uh hypnosis, and then of course, I I I watched other healers using hypnosis now, oh that's not that's not right. This is spiritual healing, it's not a hypnotize, it's a different thing. So I got involved solely in the hypnosis, the clinical hypnosis side. I started off with um analysis because my background is in psychology, and so I trained for a uni. So I started off in analysis, and I found it really, really boring. And and then I started doing stuff. I started messing around with it, doing stage, doing going to Europe, doing, you know. I mean, when you're doing six or seven hypnosis shows a day, you you become good at hypnotizing people, yeah. Um and that's that's that's what started the whole thing off. So that's what I became. I became a clinical hypnotist working Monday to Friday, uh, maybe seeing five or six clients per day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

That's uh there's so much to unpack there. I like the question of who did the hypnotizing. I like the fact that Ray just doesn't know where these words came from. Nothing. He didn't think about it. He just came. And I feel sometimes and with your career looking back on it and hypnotizing I don't know how many thousands of people. Do you sometimes feel that the words just come as you're speaking to them? Or do you think about what you're gonna say?

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Well, before we go any further, uh you need to understand that I'm I'm really not too right in the head. I'm really not about some severe challenges. Uh I'm I'm multiple ADHD, which I think which I think is a bonus. But um, I um I'm uh I'm a simulation guy. I believe in a simulation. Um and I like to think that every now just like I'm I remember watching the movie The Matrix for the first time, and at one point, I think for what, 15 minutes into it, I remember thinking to myself knew it. I just yeah by the way, I'm I'm surrounded with a couple of million people who told me it was the same for them as well. That's what they thought, and that in itself is interesting. So I'm I believe that we probably have we live in a creative simulation, and every now and again we get it's a beautiful word, is it? We get glitches. Yeah, that glitches can be a mistake where they go, uh oh, we made a mistake, he saw that. And then other times where they say he saw that, maybe and he handled it well, maybe we should give him some more, see how he handles that. Yeah, yeah. So some of the glitches are a mistake, and some of them they'll seem like they're glitches, but they're not glitches. Yeah, you have been popped some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

I like I like the idea. And even if I'm 100% wrong, I don't care. I like the idea, yeah. And I run my life with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Uh I like yeah, so okay, so let's talk about those glitches. To me, sometimes those are made manifest in well, manifestation, for instance. Can we manifest a glitch? Or maybe it's in healing of cancer or miraculous things. Do you feel that those would qualify as glitches?

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Uh no, that's the happening after the glitch. The glitch happened, then we took the glitch and did something with it, yeah. So it's a it's a subtle difference. But so, for example, um, I can't believe I'm saying this now. I'll try not to laugh as I say it, but I've healed hundreds of people with terminal cancer. Um you know, the great Bob Burns. Um please don't edit this and put it out just like that. Please, please don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

That'll be the 30-second short and I'll put it to music. I'll like I'll spin your face around in circles and I'll do flashy lights come out. I'm the great Bob Burns.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah, you're doing your thing. Uh let me introduce Bob Burns to you. Press the button. I'm Bob Burns, I've heard hundreds of people with general cancer. It's exactly what I deserve. But no, how I'd like to finish that, conclude that sentence is and so have tens of thousands of others. Uh I know that they have they've told me, and I can't call them a liar because that's happened with me as well. So, but I end up bending that sentence to did I really cure them of cancer, or was I involved in the curement of their cancer, which is probably close up to the truth. Um, it's like it's like these guys that um the in our internet now is riddled with people showing you things that you can use to heal everybody, yeah? They're all over the place. Um they're just all over the place. These different things I'm not going to mention because some of them are friends of mine, they make a living from it, but it makes me go, ouch. I mean, I used to I I told somebody once that I told them I've got the same record of you as fixing this, but I don't do all of that. I just take my thumb and I stick up my arse, and strangely enough, they get they get healed. Yeah. And I claimed I claimed I could probably have the same percentage if I sold them in the idea that this works. And that of course is called that's called witch doctoring. And most of these guys, that's what they're doing, they're witch doctoring, and the person goes, Oh my god, I feel feel better already. And that's okay, but what if, what if, oh my god, what if along with the witch doctrine there really was power, you really did have skills that you don't even recognize, and suddenly something happens. So I think I've recognized all of that. I am fairly woo-voo, I I know that I am. I hate woo-boo, and yeah, I am woo. So I can't, I'm not allowed to hate it too much. It's kind of if I do woo-voo, it's fine. If they do woo-woo, they're corn men. Exactly. Yeah, I need help. I need help.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

It's interesting because you're talking about those others, some of them are our friends that do it. And it's it's you mentioned the comment. It's a balance of I don't know what it is. There's a there's a balance there. So let's back up and go your first client. When did you realize that your presence, whether you're doing it or whether it's just you're helping others to find that potential in themselves?

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Isn't it great? You'd think that we got together before this and we talked this through because you've asked a brilliant question. Uh my first client, his name, his name was Jim, and uh the center sent me out to see him. I've been I've been training as a healer. I went along with this guy, uh, he's uh he's crippled, he's got the he's got the sex under his armpits. He takes me in and I do the healing with him. And uh two things happened, two strange things happened. One, he was pouring with sweat, and two, so was I. And uh he looked at me and says, Jesus, that's normal. And my mouth opened, and I heard myself lie. I heard myself say, Yes, well, else would I say? Because I would give my heart attack for that. Yeah, don't worry, these things can can happen. So I think I was lying, I was lying through the my two favorites. There's two great ways to lie. One is misrepresentation, and the other is omittance. Yeah, so if we if we just misrepresent or omit, we're allowed to lie, it's fantastic, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

So it's normal for this moment to be dripping with sweat. It may not be what I'm used to in my past, but for now it's completely normal.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Yeah. And of course, of course, after that, I don't know this at that time, but I'm going to do this thousands of times. And certain times like that, I will be dripping with sweat when I'm doing healing. Strange, isn't it? Um so anyway, he sweats, I sweat. Hi, how are you now? Uh try to stand up, he can't, he's bugged out. The movie should go that he stands up and hands me the crutches, isn't it? And that didn't work like that. So I've got a habit even now today that I look up and go, what? What is that all about? I've taken the I've taken two buses, I've queued, I've got here, he's not getting thanks. Yet the last two did. What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

It's like that, it's like that lovely lyric from the the the uh the musical topple when the guy looks up to God and he says, Would it spoil some vast eternal plan? If I want a wealthy man, yeah, he thinks that lyrical, so I do it with healing, but it's I look up and I go, But it spoils some vast eternal plan. The guy could just walk. Why can't we do that? So yeah, my my life is a kind of uh it's a sitcom, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

So anyway, he never got fixed. I went away on holiday the next day, and uh, when I came back two weeks later, uh, there was messages on my phone, this is before mobile phones, messages on my home phone. It's my mother, she's desperate to get a hold of me, and she told me this ridiculous story. She says, I went to the club. I don't know what it's like over there, but here Britain runs in social clubs, yeah. Especially through the 50s, 60s, 70s social clubs, the working class go to the club every Friday, Saturday. And she says, Uh, this guy invited me up to dance, and I danced with him. And I says, You've done really, really well. And she says, Because Bob, uh, well, Bobby, as my mother would call me, because Bobby, this guy had been involved in a horrendous accident many years ago, and he was totally crippled, and he's dancing really, really well. My mother could do ballroom. She says, He's really dancing well. And she says, and I and I said, What did he told me this amazing story that this young man had come to his house last week, and funny enough, his name was Bobby. He sat down, he did this thing, he laid his hands not on him, but just an inch off him, and they both started sweating. And little by little I realized he was talking about you, my son. Well, I I don't know what's going on, do I? So uh, but what I do is I uh I race around to the guy's house. This is where it gets even funnier. This is beautiful, man. This is this is my favorite part of the story. Not the feeling, it's this. I uh I I I I did two knocks and I opened the door. That's a thing for the north of Scotland. Nobody rings bells. You just open doors and say, Hey, and you walk in. Um so I knock twice, I walk in, I thought, oh shit, I'm in the wrong house. It's not the house I was in. And I and a voice says, Is that you, Bobby? And I go, Yeah. And he walks around the corner and looks at me, no walking sticks. And I say, How is this happening? I'll be next door. He says, No, he says, since you've gone, since you've gone away, I've decorated the house. I said, You've decorated? I've been up and down ladders and everything. Wow. So, you know, we've we've got we've got now by the way, he wasn't completely fixed, he would just take a he would take a stick now and again, his whole life, his whole life would change. So, and the whole idea is he's now looking at me, and I'm looking at him and I'm smiling, but I don't know what the f is going on.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

So the the early days it's like that. You don't know anything, but you've got to look confident. So you learn to do things like stroke your goatey beard, yeah, put your fingers through your hair, cough like a professor, and go, uh-huh, uh-huh, and nod your head, but you don't know what's going on. Now, the interesting thing is he gave you a referral to see his uncle. I don't know if this has got anything to do with it or not, but it's by pure coincidence that I don't know, but his uncle was a practicing Christian, really nice man. I went along, I saw him, and uh I can't even remember what the illness was. But we I did the healing, and uh there was the sweat that he never got fixed. And that's what and it's been like my whole life. I'm really a monster. Me and whoever's up there, I call him I'm not I'm not a religious person, even after being a spiritualist for so many years and a Christian. I'm really not religious now, but so I talk to the power, I call it the guys in the big room. That's why that's who I talk to. And I often have the words with the guys in the big room. I say, what the hell's going on? Yeah. Yeah. And and and right up till today, even uh last last summer, I don't want to go and tell you about the healing stories because there's hundreds of thousands can tell you that story.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

I like the other story. I'm glad you're going this route because it's it's often plagued me for two reasons. One is because I came from being a Christian preacher and I walked away from that because I felt like the church was boxing the thing we call God's end. These are these things and more will you be able to do and look around the church and it's like happening. And the other thing that plagues me is the healers like yourself. They're never like you can have a hundred people come to you to be through the cancer. And then we celebrate those five people like three cancer because those are miracles. What happens with those other 95? That's what I'm balancing out. Like how do we create a space? And I think you're on to this thing about ritual. How do we create that space for miracles to happen? And then how do we make peace with the fact about these other things, these other miracles that didn't happen? So I'm glad you're telling this story.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Well, sim simulation theory makes me okay about that. In other words, everything that happens, my answer to that is okay. So that's that's my answer to everything.

SPEAKER_04 17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Uh even if something really bad happens in my life, I'm now I'm in a hurry. I've got to get to Brighton within half an hour. The car's pulled into the side of the road. So I'll look up and I'll just go, Oh, wonderful. I'll leave and laugh and I'll go, okay. This is something else you've thrown me. I wonder how this is if it'll be for a reason, maybe. I'm not saying it is for a reason, but it might be. But I'm happy with anything that happens now. In fact, I'm actually people might be turning off round about now, thinking, oh, this guy's dumb. And I can get that. By the way, guys, if you're about to turn off, I'm on your side. But but it can be it can seem like that, but yet that's just lots of different things that can happen through the simulation where you might be being tested, but apart from that, at the end of the day, it's this. Um that whatever is happening, and whatever you're feeling, and whatever is going on, you're fine. You're absolutely just fine, and you couldn't be unfine, and everything's going to be fine, and the end of this is going to be just fantastic. You're just fine because it's boys and girls playing a game. We've got six, we're we're calling them guns, we're going to shoot each other, and then one of our mothers is going to shout, you know, launch time. Oh, we break. But now I'm going to meet you in 45 minutes' time and we're going to continue the game again because I can get to hate you again till five or six. Then I'll see you tomorrow. So I think I actually do think the simulation can be can be looked upon as something pretty similar to that. But if I could take it to where we were to to close that circle, if you like. Um, so that was way back then. But less last summer, yeah. I I'm I remember a friend of mine being in a room once, and he he he he was staring at somebody, and he crossed and he went up to them and said, I'm not being funny, but I get the feeling that you're feeling tension in your forehead, and there's uh some it could be a depression or something, I'm not sure, but I'm a healer and I'd love to help you if I can. Sounds wonderful, does it? The guy told them to F off. He was and why not? And healers do this, they invade people's space because I think they've got a sign. Now, a healer, for me, if I see that heartman, I'm gonna say where I am, I'm gonna shut my mouth, and I've got to send him thoughts. I'm gonna be doing healing on him, and he's not even going to know it. And that keeps it all sweet. So last day, last year, and you know, we do a bit a lot of magic, yeah. So I'm sitting, I'm sitting at a table in New Forest, and there's like people next to me, and they've got a young boy, and I get fed up. I often talk to people in the next tables. My wife knows this very well. I'm gonna get sort of excuse my bad morals, but I'll be talking to people all over the place. And I'm talking to the people in the next table, and I show the little boy a trick with sugar or salt and bent a spoon and so on and so forth. Then I talk to the the the people there, really nice people, and we end up joining them. We we have a great afternoon together, Sunday afternoon. I go home, a week passes, my phone rings, and it's the guy's father who says, Hi, just want to thank you for that thing. We're really nice. I've got your business card. You know that trick with the business card, I've got it here, so I've got your number. He said, I'll tell you what it is. My wife, and this is his words, my wife believes in nothing, but funny enough, she believes in you. And I thought it's one of these things that you know what I love. Yeah, I love moments. Yeah, I love moments, it's not what happens, it's the moment within what's happening. And when you said my wife believes in nothing, but you know what? She believes in you, it was a kind of a yeah, that's a moment. Yeah, I just I didn't want to pause everything, and whether the player is going to allow me to pause it or not, it will in my head. I'm gonna take five-10 minutes to think about this, although it's only lasting a second, yeah. I thought, your wife believes in nothing, but she believes in me. And my question was, what's gonna happen next? What can possibly be going to say that? That's like a freaking that's like a movie. It's exciting. And he says, So let he says, to let understand I was I had I got uh this cancer and my gut, but they couldn't get the thing, and it went all over me. And to cut a long story short, I was given uh five years to live. I said, Oh dear, so it's not good. He said, Yeah, but he says that was like uh four years and ten months ago. I've got a couple months left, and my wife suggested I call you and see if you can do something for me. This is nonsense, we've never spoken about hearing. I did a magic, I did a magic check.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Isn't that bizarre? But guess what? So this guy seems stupid, but guess what? Some hit along the line, he's not right. Some hit along the line, it's like the guy's words don't look into his eyes, he's a hypnotist. Somewhere along the line, he opened his mouth, he took the right auction, he phoned me. Because if I agreed to do something with him online, because I can't see no one, I think he's gonna die. I'm pretty much convinced there's nothing I can really do to help him, but I know there's always that chance because I've been involved in these things, so I laugh at nothing. I do the session with him. He comes back after the session, uh we did it online. He he contacts me the next day and says, Oh man, I am feeling great. I've made an appointment with my doctor uh for tomorrow. Now that told me he's a man, I know where he lives. He lives in the cotswolds, he's got money, and he's the guys that get to make an appointment with a doctor for tomorrow. Not us. We make a phone call, we get to see the doctor in three weeks' time.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

So he's seen his doctor. Uh so the day after that, he contacts me, he says the doctor's going to take me in to run some more tests with me on Friday. He goes in on Friday and he contacts me on the Friday night and says, They've run all the tests. Man, there's like there's nothing left in me. They think there's a small, there's a small lump somewhere. He says it's a sign of a 10 pence piece. It's smaller than that. He reckons we can do an op, which we're going to do in Monday privately, and I've got to think out. And he says, he thinks that'll be it. He contacts me on the Monday night. He says, That's it. I'm completely free. And of course, he credits me of all of it. And I know that it's maybe got nothing to do with me.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Except I did a lot of that of Woodstock thing, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Or of course, there's the other thing that is that I am a complete, total, and absolute genius, and I don't even know it.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

So put it in our that's that's true, Bob, because you are a genius. And yeah. You know, I don't see the certificate on your wall back there. Maybe you should get one, just a big like genius banner behind you.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Listen, we just we just had a we had a just had a discussion with someone. Let me just have a look. Oh, and then we just had a discussion with somebody on that. If one of our clients went to get my uh certification, you won't see any certificates from my wall.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

I've never had certificates, but I do have this making me the finest hypnotherapist in the world. Isn't that wonderful?

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Oh for those that are just listening, he's holding up a trophy that you probably buy at the five dollar store.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

It's not five dollars. You're talking £7.50 for this movie. Oh, okay. That's a deluxe model. Yeah, it's lovely. So I did purchase that myself. I thought it was so good. Nobody thinks I'm an idiot. I said, No, I'm gonna buy myself a trophy. No one's given me a trophy for ages. But it was so let me let me boun something to you based on all of that, right? Because I think it's I think it's a really interesting one. Way back in round about the early 80s, I think, in Aberdeen, there's a place called Aberdeen Healing Sanctuary. Um, and the the guy who was the president of it was a guy called Sid Stephen, lovely man. He was a town sergeant. You know the old town sergeants in the UK with the red coats to go, oh yeah! Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He would do that, but he was also the chief secretary to the Lord Provost, which would be like your mayor, yeah. Scotland's a Lord Provost. Yeah, uh lovely man, and he he discovered this thing called this Aberdeen Psychic Center, and he changed the name to Aberdeen Psychic Center and Healing Sanchez. And he says, I called it, I didn't call it a spiritual center because nobody would come, I called it a psychic center where people go, ooh, that's interesting. And of course he developed he developed anyway. I was with him one day. I'd I'd been a member of it for about six months or so. I was going through healing training and stuff like that. I was saying you'd be a medium to be honest with you. I was shummer shit, medium. Don't listen to anything I ever say. Anyway, uh yeah, my friends think I'm mediumistic. They argue, yeah. My friends are backed as shit, they really are. They don't know nothing. Anyway, uh, he he said this to me one night. I can tell you it was about 7:15, because the thing started at 7.30, and we're just doing something with books, and he asked me this question, and here we go, you ready to find here we go again? Another moment. Yeah, little do I know that this would be a moment that I would hold for the rest of my life. He simply says, Bob, let me ask you a question. Do you think the the universe goes on and on and on and then on and on and then on and then on? And even if there's something there, it goes on and on again, it just never stops. So it took a moment I got and I thought, that's a great question. And the answer is no, I can't, not forever. There must be something somewhere. So what you're telling me is you think the universe goes on and on for a bit, then there's a wall, titanium, whatever, but there's nothing behind the wall. Absolutely nothing. Is that what you believe in either? Question. I mean, surely there's got to be something behind the wall. Yeah. So I says, No, I can't believe in that either. He says, That's okay. So, what you're saying is you don't believe the universe goes on and on and on and on, and you don't believe it goes on for a bit, then there's nothing there. So that would have to mean, Bob, that you you you kind of believe the universe is real, yeah. And I thought, that is clever. What this man has just done to me, that is clever. And then he said this to me he said, What if we are all gods in the making? And I thought that's powerful. But guess what? After that day, I took I took a couple days thinking about this this time I had them, and I thought, oh my god, what if we're not gods in the making? What if we're gods now? Right, that's right. Like going back 5,000 years to Greece, we just got fed up. So we we created this thing here, and we came down in the embodiment of something else. We stabbed each other, killed each other, murdered, but it was all the game, just all the game, and that's linked very closely to the simulation again, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Yeah, and it's funny because it it you echo the Christian preacher in me comes out saying that Jesus said the same thing. Jesus looked at the crowd and said, You are gods. You are gods. That's what Jesus told people. And he was quoting David, who said the same thing in the Psalms. David looking out on his kingdom, you are gods.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

It's quite strange because one of the best things I had in my life, I was doing healing on the Sermon of the Mount. I went there with this really friends of mine who wants to do some healings. It was just wonderful. I had to be careful, I had to be very, very careful, and because we did some uh soften hypnosis, but we had it was too dangerous. We left Israel, we went away to an island for the weekend because it was illegal.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Human beings, what are they like really?

SPEAKER_00 28:27

It's those moments, it's those, that's another moment. And I'm reminded of me being baptized in the East China Sea, and we had to like sneak into this resort property and had this the most beautiful water in all of Okinawa, and we snuck in to do the baptism, and that was a moment, it was cool.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

It is a moment, that was a great moment. That's that's the stuff that Hoppers like, it's just uh just just wonderful. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Yeah. And you talk about being a healer and that man, you don't want to go up and be like, hey, I think this and that, and you just I love the idea of you sending him the healing and the love without him knowing about it.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Well, I again I got this idea from somebody, I was listening to someone once, so just a whole people around the table, and he talked about taking the bus home from his walk. These were the days when no one had cars, and he's got his bus coming home, and he's he knows that he's looking forward to his corned beef and marshmallato, and he's chatting away, and I thought, oh, I like corned beef and marshed potato. And then he said this, he said, suddenly I felt really, really suicidal. I know it wasn't depressed, I know I wanted to just end it completely. It's incredible, isn't it? And he says, So I knew it wasn't me. I love my wife, I love my family, I look corned beef and marsh in 20 minutes. I'm not I'm not suicidal. So he says, I scanned the bus. And at times like these, uh you have to think who's speaking. And the person who's speaking is somebody that I know and respect a lot. This isn't some because we do get some daft people that would speak like this, but I really respect this man and I'm happy to believe what he's telling me. He says, I scanned the bus until I spotted him. There's a young man at the front, at the side, gazing through the window, and he was ready to end it. So I says, So I interrupted at that point.

SPEAKER_04 30:18

He says, What are you? What did you do?

SPEAKER_02 30:21

He says, Well, I said what I was, and I sent him a lovely, warm, healing thoughts. And then the bell went, and it was my turn to get off the stop, which I did. I loved that story. I want to go back to these other healers that go into to interfere with people in that Saturday night party. Well, if you've got a bit of a sore head, well, I'm a healer. No, stay where you are, do your healing bit, take no credit for it what whatsoever. Do do your job. You're a healer. It's not to take the credit for it, it's to give it, you know. So I remember the the that guy telling me that. By the way, you won't be surprised to learn that was the same guy, said Stephen, who told me that as well. Yeah. Lovely, lovely man. He ended up becoming the president of a place called uh Stansted uh College, uh, in beside Stansted Airport. Stansted College is known as the Arthur Finlay College for Psychic Research, and it's where I met my wife about 34 years ago. So, yeah, lovely mind, sir, Stephen.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

I am fragmented in two directions. One, I want to talk about that individual and and the money is the the trigger to this question. But I want to first focus on the question of sending the healing, whether it's a suicidal man on the bus or whether it's that man that has a headache or whatever it is, when we send it unbeknownst to them. And then the study, Joseph, he did this study where it was a group, I think it was in Philadelphia, that came together to send love to Washington, D.C. And during the time period that they were sending love to Washington, DC, the crime rates went down. The violence went down.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

I don't know if it's true or not. It's a well-known story. Right. We talk about this in psychology uh and philosophy classes at universities. Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

So my theory is Since we live in a simulation, it feels like we can influence the simulation. And I feel like emotions are the way to influence. If we have those emotions of hatred, those begin to send out these patterns. And so, in a way, when we're sending out hatred, whether it's we're stuck in traffic, whether we have to pay the government taxes, whatever it is, we have those emotions and they accumulate in the cloud and create things like war. Like we indirectly have created this war.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

So I'm I'm I'm very much aware of the argument, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

So I'm wondering if we gather together, similar to what Joe Dispenza did, and I know of others that have done similar experiments and claim to have similar results. What if we gather together all at once and began sending love to, for instance, Iran? I wonder during that time period where we gathered us in love, what would happen during that time?

SPEAKER_02 33:26

I I thought I think it's I think it's been run. I think it's been run several times by seven different different peoples who've who've told me about it. And it's an interesting one. And of course, the the the the the the desire of the person doing it is so strong that sometimes they can believe they're getting a positive result. It's like that with lots of healers, in fact, and lots of peoples in the world that we do in therapy, it's there's a name for it. It's called um um uh it'll come back to me in a second, okay. Yeah, it's uh it's uh it's the shut eye. So you get a man that does certain things and he talks about his group and what they're doing together, and he tells you some amazing stories, and after a while, if you study him, you come to the conclusion, oh my god, he's not a con man, but he is a shut eye. His eyes are closed to the fact that that's not really happening. By the way, I hate myself for going down this route and talking like this right now. This is not what this is not where I want to go at all. Because on the other hand, on the other hand, it's very, very possible that the this guy is not a shut eye. Fuck that he's that he's right. Um, but but the first time I talked about stuff like this would have been in the 60s, and it wasn't me who was talking about it, I was listening to it. And I love it, I love the theory, I love the idea. We can all get together. By the way, if you go if you come to the UK and you go to any place, any spiritual center, uh uh 11:15 on a Sunday, or 6.15 on a Sunday night, or 7.30 on a Tuesday night, that's the times we all have them. Before they start anything, there'll be the healing book will be read, and everybody will send out thoughts to that people in the healing book. So that's next door to Iran, the Iranian concept, yeah? So when you come in, people will cue and put the names of some of the love into the healing book. So there's something in that. Even even as kids at school, I remember doing this. The the the teacher would get some cotton wool, put it in a glass, put some water in it, put some seed in it.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

And so we'd get one each, and we would be invited to draw hearts and write love on it. And every morning we would come in, we'd put both our hands around the cotton, we'd send love to it. We'd do two by the way. The other one we wouldn't put hate, but we just wouldn't touch it. Leave it alone. So I lived, I lived in Aberdeen. My wife now is in Southampton, 530 miles away. And guess what? They're about the same ages. She told me, Oh my god, we did not at all primary school in the 50s. And what happened? Well, the the one that we sent love to, it it blossomed. The flowers came along with every single person, and the other ones didn't do too great. Huh. But here we go, there's always arguments, and I don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

Right. And you don't want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

I've got to listen to it. And they said, ah, when the child comes forward and put this puts the hands like that, just that energy and the warmth of the hands would have done something for the seed and the flower.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

And I wanted to go, oh shut up. But there might be something in it, I'm not sure. We also did that thing. We used to run the thing, Aberdeen Psych Psychic Center, Beyond Sanctuary, was a great place. Uh Gordon Higginson, probably recognized as the top medium in the world of his time, whether one believes in it or not, said it was the best center he'd been been involved in. And we would do a game that we'd play do that. You maybe seen this where somebody puts their arm out like so.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

And uh and they they try and they they let me get this right. Yeah, they ask you to think of love and they try and push your arm down and you'll they'll hold you strongly. Then they'll ask you to think of hate and they push your arm down again, and it goes right down like like water. It's an old thing, and it's a psychological game, by the way. They use leverage on it, they lose leverage, and you're told what you're thinking, and they know what you're thinking. But we ran a test that was really interesting. It was run by a friend of mine called Len Loban, and the test was this there's a big bug, and in the bug there's little balls of paper, and in that bowls of paper are written either love or hate, and crumpled up into little balls. The person goes in, puts his hand in the bug, picks up the bowl, doesn't look at it, holds it in his hand and holds his hand on it. So they don't know if it's love or hate, and the pusher doesn't know if it's love or hate. I can tell you it's something like 85 to 90 percent where love was just way, way, way stronger. Wow, and I'm not even comfortable saying that. I feel like an idiot. I normally attack people who say this. I was there, I was in the room, and I thought, Jesus, so that so yes, now we're going all the way back to you.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Asking the question, what would happen if everybody sent out love to Iran? By the way, here's another interesting question to an American. You ready? What would happen if everybody in the world sat down and sent out love to America?

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Yeah, yeah, amen. Yeah, yeah. What do you think would happen?

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Well, with before thinking what would happen, what is sad is that we don't do it. What is sad is that we can't get enough people to turn on and say, yeah, I'm up for that. Count me in. Yeah. Um, that's the saddest thing. And and and I think it's it's not that they're bad people, they've just already lost hope, you know. They've just already lost it. I mean, look at look at look at what you've got there. We hear your man Donald Trump talks about America being the richest country in the world. It's also more in debt than any country in the world. Yeah, it's been like that now for 30 years. I don't quite understand that, and I study economics. I don't know what the hell's going on.

unknown 39:02

Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Trouble with your, I know, same as us with our NHS health service. You've got challenges over there, the richest country in the world. You've got people working in upper middle class jobs but sleeping in car parks in their cars. That just doesn't make sense. I'm seeing I'm opening my mouth, I'm choosing words, I'm saying it, but as I'm saying it, I'm thinking, this doesn't make sense. So it's lots of again. Here I go, I'm gonna roll back to the simulation. Yeah, oh shit. So it's a it's a game. I mean, I look, I look at you, I'm not we're not gonna make this a trumpy thing, yeah. But I look at a man who says he tells you that your mothers, your sisters, your daughters, your grandmothers all love him to grab them by the pussy. What do you do? You make him your president. I mean, how can you have it in any other country other than America? It's brilliant, man. I love it. Right, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

And speaking of Trump and speaking of assimilation, he has this other quote where he says, if you say something enough times, it'll eventually become true.

unknown 40:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

Well, that that's that's like a hundred years before Trump somebody said that one. That's the case. Right. Isn't interesting about that from the world of healing, though. Um, and again, it's a discussion I had last weekend. Somebody mentioned it when they were young, their parents told them that they were Irish. If you ever met a leprechaun, he says, if the leprechaun were to ask you, give you three wishes, what would you ask for?

SPEAKER_01 40:22

And he says that the parents told him, you'd ask for health, wealth, and happiness. Sure, you would. Health, wealth, and happiness. And you'd ask for it in that order. Health because you kind of enter without your health, wealth because you're nice to have a penny or two, and of course, you want to be happy in life.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Now, and as I was speaking, people around the table were all saying, Oh my god, that's what my parents told me as well. And guess what? I come from the north of Scotland. I thought, oh my god, that's exactly what my parents told me. If you ever got three wishes, health, wealth, and happiness. Now I can tell you now that as a healer and a person who works with people and has done for over 50 years, that's completely wrong. It's it's it's it's a it's in fact, it's almost a waste of time. I've had people helicopter into my my pad. Well, I don't have a helicopter pad, in the place where I work, they come by helicopter from their castle in central Scotland to get a session with me. I'm charging them 120 quid. They're billionaires. I should be charging 120,000 pounds, but you know, the billionaire. And the funny thing is that is this over the years, and I've worked with world champions at different things, lots of them, even Snooker. I've I've worked with the world champions of Snooker. I've discovered that some of the healthiest people in this world, the healthiest people, it's it's incredible. They come they come to us for sessions because their life just isn't right. And I'm also known that the wealthiest people, like my woman and the helicopter, the money doesn't buy them out either. It's just it's just their life is just not happy. It's not happening for them. I'll tell you what I've discovered in 50 years. Are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Yeah, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

I have never, I have never, ever, ever had one client who came to me, not one. So they don't have health, they don't have wealth, but they've got happiness. And I've never had one person with happiness come to me who was not happy. It is impossible, is it? And if they're happy, they don't need the health of the wealth. They can be crippled in a in a chair, but they're looking at you smiling. I mean, I remember this woman that lived in a suit beside me in Montrose. She had seven kids, I think it's seven different fathers, and they all eight of them walked together to go in and get the shopping on a Saturday and bought O'Carry in the bags. They all called me Bob. Hello, Bob, hello Bob, hello Bob. And they were just the most happiest, lovingless, loveliest people I've ever known. And she was broke. She was broken, she had ill health, but there it was right there. No health, no wealth at all, riddled with happiness. So imagine doing our sessions and just putting in just hoppiness.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Would not would not would not be just great, yeah. Yeah, but go over bucket on again. If we just made them a hobby, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

How do you put a price on that? You mentioned the billionaires come to you, charge them 120 quid. What about the ones that don't have that? Or what about those times we just again we go back to the Bible where Jesus just looks upon someone and has compassion on them, and because of that act of him having compassion, they're healed. So, how do you put a price tag on that?

SPEAKER_02 43:36

That's a great question. I love that question, and you're right to hit me over the head with that. That is fantastic. I deserve I deserve that. That is brilliant, and I applaud you for it. Well done for being brave enough. Hey, healer, 120 pounds. No, it's great. So, as a spiritual healer, I never charged anyone any money ever, and neither did anyone. I've never heard of anyone in Scotland, the Scottish healers. Ever charge money, it's always free. In fact, it costs us money to be healers. We have to travel on the bus or car for 50 miles. We've heard of a case, there's no charge. We won't take petrol money. If somebody somebody's great and they give us a pocket of biscuits, there's an argument over that we shouldn't have taken the pocket of biscuits. I took the biscuits and I took whiskey and everything. It was brilliant. But you know that so there's no no. When I move to becoming a clinical hypnotist, it's a different thing, is it? It's a different thing because if I hi, how are you doing? Well, I could help you, but I'm a clinical hypnotist. What do you charge? Um 10 pounds. I'll get back to you. They're not going to come to me charging 10 pounds. I've got a guy across the road who charges 500 pounds, they'll save up and go to him.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

So I just so here's the deal. And people, if there's anybody watching or listening to this, they can check it out. Go into my website, Bob Bunsi for Therapy. It must be listed there somewhere. I went to Facebook, there's lots of realms about me doing this. So for example, uh in the middle of COVID, it was hell for everybody. So I did I did a thing, I put an advert out there saying uh my my price is uh is halved for those with uh uh during COVID periods. In fact, for any therapists out there, it's only 30 pounds. If you need any help, come to me for a session. And then a new paragraph. And here's the deal: if you cannot afford anything, you simply tell me you can't afford it and we'll we'll do the job. As many sessions as you as you want. And it's not a thing where I say, I get a piece of paper and ask when did you last work? How much have you got in the box? There'll be no questions whatsoever. I felt great about that, and by the way, a lot of people came to me for help. I've got a deal now, my deal is open, I'm saying it here now publicly. The deal's fairly straightforward. If anybody comes to me and says, I could really use some some some some help, but I've no money, the deal is when are you free? All I've got to do is ask. How about that? Well, for you it's free. I've got that deal because I need to get some I need my corned beef, my mashed potatoes. Yes. I need to put petal in the car. So it's a hard balance, but here's the deal on healing, and there's no money. There's no money. So I still do some healing. I've got healing sessions. Never, we never do money in healing. And not by the way, clever, clever sod that you are. You just said it. What do you think Jesus did back then? Do you think you say we've got a special on this week? It's only $18. Absolutely not. It's him. Jesus for me is a monster. He beats me to death because of the goodness that he did, and I love it. I love I love everything about it. Yeah. So good question. Well done, Eric.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Thank you. Uh, the follow-up question then is In your times of healing, when you didn't charge people for healing, did you find that money came from places unexpected?

SPEAKER_02 46:56

Yeah, it's quite bizarre like that, isn't it? It's so bizarre. That often happens. Um, I'll be doing something with somebody, and somebody uh injects money into my my account of £500, and I f I find them. I find out who they are, and I go with them. What's going on? Well, I know you've been doing something with this person. You've been working same. Is it true? You've been working with them for six months. I can't say anything because no, I know them well. It's my brother. Right? So then you can ask him, you'll is it true though? I said, Well, well, it's costing you a fortune. I said, Well, it's costing me nothing. I don't lose one penny by doing it with him. Anyway, I've sent you the 500 quid, it's a gift. Don't send it, but you want to give it to Charlie, fine, but I'm not taking it. So I've had I've had a few of these things. I'll tell you one of my favorite things I like to do. You ready for this? Yeah, we're going to cheapen the whole thing here.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

We're going to cheapen it all. We're going to make a program and we're going to sell it at the thoughts live. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

I love this, and I urge everybody to do this. It started in a small coffee. Uh, I'm an Armadonian, but my wife and I lived in Montrose for many years. We also lived in Spain and all over England. But in Montrose, it's a beautiful little place. It's about 12,000 of a population. There's this little coffee in the very center of Mintrose. And it happened one day. It just it just went. It just happened. It was like a nice obtrusive thought. Yeah? Because obtrusive thought always seems to be an ugly thought, but sometimes it just nice. And I saw this couple, they spoke to me. She said something, I suggest. She said, Do you know? I suggest a couple of things went back and forth. They're on the next table and they're having their tea and that the uh croissants and a pancake, and they were just lovely. I'm not going to turn around and say, I'll tell you what, let me get this for you. Um open my wallet. What a money for. I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to embarrass them. But I thought, I think, I think this would be good. So I go to the counter, I say to the girl, by the way, table uh seven, could I pay for what have they? Can I pay for that tub for them? And the girl, are you ready for this? The girl gets emotional. Isn't that sweet? Yeah. The girl looks at me and says, You're going to do that, you know? I said, No, I'm not, it's right, but it would be really nice to do. So she charges me and I leave. Now, this is what makes me this is why I'm a bastard. This is why you folks, if you're watching, I'm not lovely. I'm a freaking monster. I've got an ego on the sides of my mouth. Forgive me, forgive me, guys in the big room. But I I hung around and I watched, and they I saw him go to the counter, and I could see the guy going, What? He paid for it, and his wife, and guess what? I watched his wife get kind of not heavily, but kind of in a motion. Oh my god. And then they both started smiling, and they picked up the bars and I nipped away again. Yeah. And guess what? I do this a lot. I like it. I just like it.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Yeah. It's just lovely to give little snippets and gifts and what have you.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

It's just a beautiful thing to do. And the cheaper the better. Yeah. If it's something at three $3.80 or whatever, it's lovely. It's just great. And I like that. And because a lot of people have given me so much in my life, I think I can afford to buy a pancake and a couple cups of TD.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Oh man. Okay. So we talk about these voices, such as the voice of send healing thoughts to this person. Something is telling you to do this. And then I'm also asking in the context of you and the swan. So whose voice is it that's telling us to send healing thoughts and whose voice is coming from who are we talking to when we talk to the swan?

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Okay, who are we, first of all?

SPEAKER_00 50:45

You. Not one word, but you, the one that's in the simulation. Our hearing voices. I in my context, I believe that the swan is doing the body. That's our lived experience encoded in our body. And I feel there's we could call that the subconscious. I feel like the higher voices, the men you refer to upstairs is the superconscious. And so we have two voices. I'm wondering, I feel like they both love us. So how do we talk to these voices and distinguish, and what are they trying to tell us?

SPEAKER_02 51:24

Well, again, with the greatest respect to you. This is really old, pretty old stuff. The conscious, the superconscious, so on and so forth. I don't I don't recognize the subconscious now. People say, and all and it's your subconscious. I use that words when I'm with clients because they understand it. So I'll talk to your subconscious. I don't believe I'm talking to a subconscious. I believe I'm talking to a part within the subconscious, which is buy my book, folks, buy my book, which is which is then real or emargined. So I talk about the fact that it's either real or it's a margin, and I got away with that shit because I do that. So I never I've never ever been involved in any arguments about my work. Because when anybody gives me a hard time, I just thought you say, Well, it's kind of real or it's a margin, isn't it? And they look at me, you can see them going, Oh, I wanted an argument. Yeah, because anyways it's either real or it's a margin. But so what if I was to tell you this? What if I used to tell you that a lot of the time it's just their imagination? Bless them. It's lovely. Or what if I used to tell you that at times I think it might be their higher self or a guide or a person from a past life who's here now hanging on in the side of the room? Uh but what if I was to tell you that it is the person in the past life right now talking to them? And I say all of this because I've been involved in all of these situations. I've been involved in in in uh in ones where it's uh it's someone, the person, the entity claimed to be a ghost from hundreds of years ago, and the ghost told me to F off, and the ghost told me it would F and kill me. I shouldn't have been involved. And when I asked it, how can I get you out of this person's head? Because it wasn't good, by the way. It wasn't good. They'd lost four stone in weight, and they were hardly eating, and they couldn't sleep sleep well. And the client lived uh 580 miles from me, so I drove I drove the next day to sleep with him, and that was it, that was a joke it went about. Bob Bond sleeps with his clients. Well, I spoke to her husband who put me up in a room. I I even bought pajamas to go there because I knew that for coming to four o'clock, and through this guy came an evil magician. How about that? An evil magician. And when I said, What can I do to get you out of there? Because we did a swan, yeah. I got this thing direct voice, we'll maybe talk about in a second. And I said, What can I do to get you away from him? And he says, Find me another host, and I shall leave them. And I said, Well, listen, buddy, why don't you jump in? Come back with me, you will love Scotland. And I can tell you, when I when I told my wife that, she went shit on me. Yeah, and what I'm even I'm even about to tell you, I shouldn't be saying this because it really, it really, it really makes me seem an idiot. But as I was saying it, I was thinking to myself, buddy. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah. So it just it just came from my mouth. Anyway, he left and never came back again. But that second. That's interesting as well, isn't it? Yeah. And it could have been me just a talking ahead of imagination, that would have been it. But let me tell you some of the more uh really uh intoxicating things. I mean, I remember I remember this guy, uh uh uh his name, his name was Andy, and the person that came through who's the right voice was a voice that speaks like this. And it was it claimed to be his wife, and they they lived together, and in the 19, I think, I can't remember, but I think maybe 1940s, he had died, and she followed him afterwards. He's born into this life. Uh he was born again in the 1950s. She decided not to, she stayed on for a while, she might come back there. So I'm having this discussion, it's it's lovely, isn't it? And I and so then I I asked a question. I said, so I do this, and I'm cheeky. I am, I'm a I'm a monster. So I said, so but you're Spanish, and she says, Oh, yes, I am, I am Spanish. I said, So you speak Spanish? Yes, of course I see Spanish. I said, just wait a second. Andy, remember, he's not in deep hypnosis, he's looking at me going, Wow. He says, What? I said, Do you speak Spanish?

unknown 55:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

He says, I think I can say hola in Cerveza, but that's it. I said, That's okay. So, are you there again, Madeline? Yes, box. She comes again. I says, Imagine what did you do in Spain? We owned a restaurant, okay. They eat later in Spain than they do in the UK. Yes, she says. I said, So imagine I come to your restaurant with uh my wife and another couple friends, and it's maybe 9, 9:30 on a Saturday night. I knock on the door, I walk in, and in Spanish, what would I probably say to you? I thought that was a great one, yeah. It's going to kill this because it's in his imagination, it's lovely. Or she'll say something like, This head doesn't understand Spanish or something like that. But she never, and I've got this, it was I was recording it. So she said, Oh, you would say something like Hola que tal, quiero una mesa para quatro teclados. And I go, Wow. What what what would I have said? She says, You would have said hello, how are you? I'd like a table for four, please. Near the window if possible.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

No, my point, my point is I have to pay attention to that. When that happens, I have to at least look upon it as evidence, if not proof. And the thing is, he maybe speaks Spanish and it's in his DNA. He's maybe lying to me. I don't know why, he's giving me 130 quid, but he could be lying to me. He could be in both films crazy. Yeah. He's not a lying monster, he's just he's just a knot. It's crazy. Or he could be making contact with his wife, who lived back there with him in the 1940s. She's still on the other side, and everything she's telling me is 100% true. I would suggest that the evidence suggests that to be the best case out of the four I've looked at. Yeah. And it becomes interesting.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Oh man, I'm just this is a moment for me. Like I'm absorbing this lovely moment. And I'm thinking of all the I work for the government at the VA hosp at the hospital for the veterans, and they run all these experiments. I'm wondering, why don't they just run experiments on this?

SPEAKER_02 57:27

Yeah, why don't they again, again, this makes my head go, wow. Yeah. Who are this thing called governments? I was asked a friend of mine called Felix Economakis, uh, a clinical psychologist based in London. Great guy, Felix. And we were talking about how our government's letting us down once again. And of course, the the the conservatives get in, we kick them out, the socialists come in, they they they they break all our money, we get rid of them. And I said, What I think is this, this is what I think happens. And I wrote this on Facebook as well, by the way. And I got lots of likes and lots of people calling me an arse, but that's lovely, that's Facebook. And what I said was, I mean, small say tongue in cheek. I'm not I'm not seriously saying that, but I said, I've got a funny feeling. It's this our kids, we put them through school, and a lot of them they go to either Oxford or Cambridge. They're lovely kids, they're absolutely beautiful. But in the last year, the ones who say they're interested in politics, they get injected with shit. They get involved in politics and they become pure bastards and they give us a hard time. They're not bad people, they just should never have rolled up their sleeves. I think that's what happens. Because our argument was why are all the politics or politicians shit? Why do they seem like they don't want to help us in every country? And they're but they're our sons and daughters. What's that about? An interesting one. But yeah, why don't they get involved and do things like that? Why do why don't they get involved? Why is a government not grabbing me and says, We'd like to do a thing with you and your swan? Um but but they do it with some people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Or why do they hide it? Like in the United States in the what was it, the 70s, where they were doing remote viewing and stuff like that. And then they're like, oh, let's hide it. Or in World War II, the Americans were coming back with the psychological feeling of they're blind or they can't walk, and all these things that they believe they can't do because of PTSD, shell shock. And so the government would give them propocol, which has the amnesia effect as well as the block of pain, like twilight solution. And and then they suggested while they're in that place. And so even though their minds don't remember, something is listening, something is listening to the suggestion. And they gave them the suggestion that you can walk again, you can see again. And these soldiers, after the proper poll wore off, were able to walk again, were able to see again. And then the government hid that film for decades. So why do we want to hide something that if it works, why hide it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

And we've also got humans themselves. We are just amazing. I remember hypnotizing a guy called George Ingram to believe he was blind, and he couldn't see a thing, his eyes are wide open, he said, No, nothing. And he and he's giggling because he knows I've got to give him his sight back. He said, I'm not worried about it. It's all blocked, but I can't see a darn thing, Bob. Nothing. So I said, That's okay. So listen very careful to me. In front of you, about 10 feet away, ten paces in front of me. Uh there's uh can you hear me by the way? It's just all of a sudden turned better the audio. Hold on one second, because my earphones went all funny there, and I have to do something now.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:47

Now I can hear you so much better.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

Yeah, but I'm not hearing you now. I wonder what I have to do. Ah, here we go. No, that can't be it. Um yeah. So uh I said that the the the chair is is it's ten paces and you'll be there. You walk straight forward, and he's just fine. You put his hands out that wriggly thing and he started to walk. But five feet in front of him, I placed a chair that he would definitely bump into because he's blind. And he walked perfectly to the chair, then he did a complete swerve around the chair and continued walking and got to the other side. I believe him when he says there was no chair, he couldn't see it. But something inside him stopped him from bunging into the chair and letting him walk all around the chair and carry on. Now we could talk about that as I have done with lots of people with lots of different ideas on it, but and none of us can prove what the actual idea is, which makes it really, really interesting, yeah. Yeah, I'm wondering if you can hear me. I can hear you, but you're very quiet for some reason, and I'm not sure what what that reason is. What happened is my my earphones just went boiling and I took them out, but you're much you're much quieter.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

Can you hear me okay? You're much better audio-wise. Okay. Yeah. So that's great. That is interesting. Like, what is what is seeing when we think we can't see? What is listening? For instance, if we're asleep at night, a mother, for instance, a mother is asleep at night, yet something is always listening for the baby crying. What is listening?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah, that is that is something else to do. Let me ask you this question because you're very low now. We are recording this, is that correct? That's correct. The the listener can hear is saying this. If I say then there's going to be probably you're so clever they won't notice the slight glitch. I'd like to switch off and switch on again. Is that okay?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Can we do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

Yeah.

unknown 1:02:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Right. I'm going to do that right now. I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

All right. We are back after a quick pause. It really was only like a split second from those who were listening.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Amazing figures. Used to play the accordion. I've got amazing figures. Oh, nice, nice. Yeah. So that is that is interesting about who we are and what we do, and so on and so forth. So uh yeah, that so that's the uh amazing thing about this part of the swan that we call direct voice. That's really what it's all about. That happened one day when I thought, well, we're doing great here, but what if they could speak to me instead of just moving the hand? Yeah. So I just asked. They went, well, yeah. Yeah. So it was a really interesting one. And the guy I just mentioned, Felix Ekonemarkis, when I first went online because of this one thing, he Felix called me a cock online. He was really angry with me. And uh he says, If you can do that, why don't you come down to London? I'll get a room of uh professional people in the room, and you can show us this thing that you do. Yeah. Send the tickets. And he sent the tickets immediately. So I had to get down there. I was quite, I was very nervous.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

I was gonna say I I would feel nervous doing that because I know that for me, I can't do that to everyone, to those that I can get to forget their own name or to these things we do and stage hypnosis. It would be cool if I could just walk down the street and do that to anyone at any moment. And yet that's not my experience. Certain people I can do it with, certain people I can't. So, okay, so you're nervous, you're going down to show the professionals how they can think that they're blind or feel that they're blind.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Yeah, well, these are these were the academic people.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

Those are the scary people, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Yeah. So we come to the part where I get somebody to come forward, and uh the party comes through calls itself done, and it it was beautiful, and it spoke and says, Hi, how how are you? And it was just it was just perfect, you know. And then I turned with them and I said, So let's let's do it collectively and what happened. And all I can hear is these high-view professional academics screaming and effing all over the place because they can't believe anybody think they're in hypnosis? Well, no, I'm not obviously not in hypnosis, but they sit in doing this. And it's the way it happened to me the very first thing, you know. When I look at me when I first did the swan, I'm a tai chiist. So yeah, it's the start of the morning. I'm doing tai chi down at the beach. I come back, I sit down, I can tell you it's five to ten, because at 10 o'clock, everyone in Britain knows there's a cooking program that comes on the TV, yeah. So I'm ready to watch this, and I put my hands fingers through my hair, and I lean back in the chair, and I notice my arm's like that, it's shaped, shaped like a swan. And I look at it and I say and I verbalize my loud. I go, You look like a swan, don't you? And my hand nods and goes, Yeah. I go, get get out of here, do that again. And of course, it does it again. And I say, Can you do anything else? He goes, Yeah, and I say, Could you turn and look at me? The whole handed arm turns around and looks at my face. Now I can tell you if this was midnight at one o'clock in the morning, I'd be terrified.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

But it's not the sun's shining, we're okay. So I called him my wife. To come down, and I said, No, she's a former uni lecturer, she's an intelligent woman, she knows I've got a sense of humor, but this is not my humour, it's probably better than this. So I'm I'm obviously telling the truth, and she was amazed. We tried it with her, it didn't work. But she says, Why don't you go in Monday when you go and try it with some clients and see if you can get to somewhere? And it was just a great day, it was just wonderful. So then we we we do the thing, I go down, see my mum. Well, while we did it, while we were having a coffee break, someone took my phone out and filmed me doing the swan with someone else, uh, Michelle, a doctor from France, and they put it on the internet without my permission, and the internet exploded. Uh, it was just my phone was just hot. I mean, literally, yeah. Yeah. Um, so then I thought I've got to do something with this. So we got a DVD made, the swan. It cost me £1,000. That was a fee I paid a guy who did a great job. It's a really professional job made of it. I'm not talking about me, no, I'm talking about his quality. Yeah, yeah. That's thing called the swan. And um, and it's only 32 minutes, I think. Off it went. And uh my wife says, Well, when do you think we'll get this thousand pounds back, if ever? And and we got it back by Thursday. And after that, it exploded and started paying off on mortgages. And then we started getting invites. So for a good decade or so, we we my wife and I, we we we we got to travel the world. I would do uh every month I go somewhere in Europe to do a workshop, and maybe three or four times a year I do long hauls. Canada, the states, South America, Austria, New Zealand, Japan, Middle East, I would do it, we do them. And then along came this bloody thing called COVID. And everything changed. So so it now operates in 80 countries around the world, and I've I've I've shown, I've had my time, it's been lovely, thank you very much. I'm old now, I don't have the energy, I don't want to go to these places anymore. I'm fine and relaxed. So most of my stuff is done online now. Yeah, I do see, and I don't see many, I see maybe seven or eight a week, that's all I do, and that's fine because of other things that I like to do now.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

Yeah, I l the part of this story that resonates with me the most is how you came back to your wife and it didn't work for her. And then but and yet the entire world resonated with it. And I know for some where I've seen try and they'd get frustrated because the swan isn't working for them. And they take it personally like there's something wrong with them. Yeah. How do we rectify that that's well if you watch this?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

I'll do this one for you right now. Yeah, my hand going there right now. So here we go. Now I could arct this, and that would be interesting, wouldn't it? But I never do it. I never arct. If it doesn't work, I say I'm sorry, and we'll try it another time. So let's see what happens here. So if you could just uh show me, uh if you could just lift my one of my fingers for me, just uh do that for me right now, that'd be great. Now I can tell by the feeling, it's just not in the mood. It doesn't see anything happen there. Maybe try a different one, maybe try my little finger, see if anything happens there. No, I feel something there, but it's not enough. For me, it takes longer. So if you could just turn that hand around towards my face for me, that would be great. And it's a way to it's a way to start, I know, because I can feel it. Here we go. So it's a moody swan, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:29

As a commentary for the people listening, the the hand didn't move the fingers didn't move when he asked it, but now it the hand is slowly it like kind of jerked and then twitched, it's still twitching now and moving.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

It's saying it's saying you don't you don't use me a lot. I'm quite happy with this.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

It's it's yeah, it's like it's dancing. The hand is dancing a little bit. Like hello, welcome back. Good yeah. Yeah, you owe me a pint.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

Yeah, but I'll have to put you down now, is that okay? Yeah. So so that that would so by the way, if I put keep my hand back like that again, this will definitely happen, I think. Thanks for turning towards me. Could you turn back now towards the screen? Is that possible? And if I just just hold it and don't do remember, I have to do this in a room with people. Yeah, so if I'm acting and they're not, it's not gonna work, I'm gonna look an idiot, am I? This happens with the vast majority in the room. Yeah, and here we go. It's going back towards you, yeah. There we have it. Now looking at you. So it's it's interesting, and everyone's different. By the way, if I get somebody who's so perfect, and so here we go. Could you move a finger for me? Bang! Try another one, right? Could you turn around and see me? I feel they're maybe acting. I don't know why humans do this. Right. It's it's too good, yeah?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:48

It's too good. Sometimes it's something. There's something about that and in imperfection of is of God we'll call it. Whereas perfection is a unique human attribute that we all try to strive for sometimes, and it's fake because to be human or real is is is imperfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:09

So the the first one I ever did, it was kind of like us, moving a little bit like that. And Michelle, the doctor who did it, and the guy who filmed it, it was perfect. You know why? If it was one of these, it moved perfectly, yeah. But they were looking thinking, oh my god, I think I think this is real. Yeah. I think this is real. And that's what happened, it exploded. And now it it's I don't know how many countries now, but we we checked by simply by the post, by who's asking for it. And we sold this one to over 80 countries around the world. And I went and uh and lectured in heaps of them. It was it was really great. But it's up there now, so there's other people can work with it, it's their job now to take that further. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:49

Do you do you ever play games with it? Like, does it is it happy with certain things? Like maybe I know someone else said ask it its name or um see what its favorite memory is.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

Oh yes, we'll do we'll do all that. Uh so so for example, I are marking now just to do it. Yeah, yeah. So uh we'll show me a yes. So the four fingers are yes, show me a no, small fingers are no, show me I don't know, I don't understand. That's the thumb. So that's the three things I set up. Then I say, Do you have a name? The answer is yes, great, we'll find out what it is. Because you can spell it, can't we? A, B, C, okay, so it starts with C, the name Charlie. Or no, I don't have a name. So here we go. Would you like a name? And if we get a yes, we'll pick a name. If we get a no, okay, I'll take it the next day. Okay, but we, it's good for me if I can call you a name. Is that okay? I'll nearly always get a yes for that. Is that is there a name you'd like to decide? And that nearly always it'll choose a name at that point, but at other times it'll work out perfectly. By the way, every now and again, you it starts off again and it becomes uh quite disturbing. So, this guy, for example, has now become a personal friend of mine. His wife is a personal friend of my wife's, and uh, when he came to see me, he came to see me uh because uh he was learning to run a he was going to do a marathon, he's 52 years old, and he got pain in his thighs round about 13 miles, which is half a marathon. Marathon's 26. Yeah, so he's gone coming to see a hypnotist. I'm laughing, I'm thinking, What are you crazy? So I says to him, Well, listen, you're 52, buddy. You're getting pain in your thighs after 13 miles. How'd you get them after 300 yards? Why don't you just do half marathons? He got he was upset with me. Spoke later to a doctor, and the doctor says, We told him the same thing. Yeah, he got upset with us. Anyway, we decided to do some stuff and see if it would help. Uh, cut a long story short, today he can run marathons. But here's the journey. In the journey, we do the swan, um, and a part comes through, and the part speaks to me. The part claims to be called uh John John Smith, and and claims it's German, and claims it worked, and it named the place. Uh, and I thought, ooh, that sounds like one of these camps, maybe the edge of Poland or something like that. Yeah, during the 40s. And then suddenly he gets emotional. I stop it and I say, Are you okay? And he says, Yes, but he's now he's crying. And I says, What is it? He says, It's me. I am John Smith. And I says, No, you're you're here. You're no, he says, No, I was John Smith. So he's telling me that a part in his past life, which is him, is coming through to speak. Now I'm gonna tell you something now. I'm not the bright, there's lots of people really bright, they love stuff like this. For me, it goes way over my head. I'm I'm I'm fighting to just hold on to it. But I understand the fact that yes, we can't have twin personalities. I get that because I've been told that by parts within the twin personalities. Again, they could be crazy, but let's let's go with this to see where it goes. Yeah, so I go back again and I talk to the guy, John Smith, which is not a German name, so I'm I'm really unhappy at this point with that. I discovered later I'm an idiot. John Smith is a perfectly good German name. Yeah, but I'm getting the Smith, so I'm not getting that. Anyway, if you're ready for us, he was a doctor at one of the camps. He was one of the guys who ran the tests on the Jews, and it was driving him insane. Um, he was almost suicidal. So he he asked permission back to Berlin that he not do this, and they says, You will do what you're told, you will run these tests, you'll run these experiments. And if you don't, don't worry about it, but your family will be next off the train. We'll we'll send them out there. He absolutely told me he did not know what, and you'll tell you what, he didn't need to explain that too strongly to me, because I'm with him at this point. I would not know what do you do? I don't think there's an answer to that, is there? Except for his answer. And what he did was he had to step out of it, he committed suicide, which would stop his family from being sent out and stop him from doing these atrocities. Yeah, so we've now got this, we've evidenced it, we've recorded it, and the guy who's a businessman says, I've got to I don't know what I'm doing, but I've got to find out something about this. He and his wife book a flight for Germany. By the way, I've spoken to his wife and uh their kids. No, dad doesn't speak any German, yeah. So, and I I say that because uh sorry, I missed a small part here, it's an important part. I say to the guy, yeah, so if you're German, you could speak to me in German, yes, yes, of course. But speak to me in German. No, I'm just gonna say this, do you know? This is not evidential in any way, shape, or form, but I think that it's impossible to fake a German accent. Yeah, well, it's not impossible, but no, sorry, let me change that. If someone's speaking to me in German, I recognize German. You can see Haggazin's, you know German, and I believe he was speaking to me in German. Anyway, the guy now goes with his wife, jumps on a flight, and goes to Germany. They go off the flight in Germany, yeah, Berlin, whatever it is, they go off, and they jump in one of that trolley rails, take him into the city center. And this is the story he told us. As you're sitting there, suddenly it just happened. People started talking, and he turned around to his wife and says, Oh my god, I understand every word they're saying in German. That is really stuck, isn't it? So here we go, we're back, we're back to the same stuff. I've either got a man that's lying to me, I've either got a man that's off his head, yeah, or I might have a man who's who who uh speaks German, it's in his DNA, and he doesn't realize what's happening to him, or I might have or I'm or I might have a man who's telling me the complete, total, and absolute truth, and it happens to be true. Yeah, because I can get somebody that's telling me the truth as they think it, but it's not the truth, yeah. And I can get somebody to tell me the truth, and it is the actual truth that John Smith did live. He's here now, and he's remembered one of the journeys that he was on, and so on and so forth. So it's a it's a great thing that we do, and this is not Bob Burns I'm talking about. I'm talking about what we what we can collectively do with this thing. And the the swan, I don't know why it landed in my shoulder at 10 o'clock on a Saturday morning, but it did. And it's great because I get all the credit for the swan. It's lovely. People tell me, they tell me, they tell me I'm wonderful, I'm very clever, and to sit down and to to to get and you know what? It's got nothing to do with me. Here's the thing if you're ready for this, uh every single thing in therapy, yeah, in hypnosis and what have you, is a construct. In fact, arguably, everything in this world is a construct, right? I'll tell you what, except for the swan. Swan's not a construct. The name swan is a construct, but the the swan protocol is not a construct. It came, it did it all itself. I had very little to do with it. I thought I looked up the term uranium. This is how clever I am. I looked up the term twitch, turn, wave, return. That's the swan. You train with me for a couple of days for that, or I can give you the 30-second version. Yeah, right. That's it. So for to train with me, you'll probably be aware of this if you've looked me up. I I don't do uh I didn't do uh uh hypnosis uh academies. To train with me, you'd have to fly to my my hometown, you'd live with me for a couple days, you come to the therapy room with me, you're not allowed to speak. I sit you in a corner, I give you a pencil and paper, you can say hello to them, but that's it. Later we'll talk about what you've seen. And you'll get to see how wonderful Bob Burns is. Isn't that great? Absolutely wonderful, and then you'll get to see how shit Bob Burns is, because you'll see that I can't hypnotize them all. And some of them don't do the swan. But that's great, that's great training because it's real training. You're not going off somewhere in a room where you paid four or five thousand pounds, and fifty people have pretended to be hypnotized, right? Right. Yes. So you'd have to come and see what I do, and that would be it. And it's it's it's pretty cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

What happens to the people that don't get hypnotized, that don't get the swan? Yet they gave you money to be Bob Burns, and they're sitting there and their hands not moving. What happens then?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:23

Yeah, you're absolutely proud of this. You should be I don't know, you should be involved in some department for making people like me really, really upset. I love it. I love it. Well, no, that's a great question. And uh if I if I can't, I'm going to I could I could see why he's saying this, but it's not mine. It comes from uh uh someone else, a friend of mine, Bari, Body Thane. He said this once. Uh I've never met Body Thane, but I've known him for years, and he said in some podcast, he's saying this, he said, I want to come to me. If they go into hypnosis, I do hypnosis. If they don't go into hypnosis, I do therapy. And I thought that is brilliant. Yeah. And that's my answer to you. That's what Paul Bugs does. Yeah. I love that. I'm going to steal that. Yeah. So if they don't do hypnosis, I'll do therapy.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:14

That's where the real lesson is. I think a lot too many people are focused on the results versus yeah, the other end. Okay, so for full circle, I thank you again so much for being here and using so much of your time. And in just a moment, Bob will do something for everyone that's listening and watching. And before that, to just tie it all together, in the beginning we're talking about missing healing and miracles as the glitches. And you said the glitch has to happen first.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:48

So recognize that.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:50

How so how do you like are you responsible for glitching yourself and becoming a healer? Or or is it certain people are fortunate enough?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:03

I can hey, I can make the glitch happen. If I take a DMT or magic mushrooms, it's wonderful. If I take five grams of magic mushrooms, I'll be glitching for five, six hours. It's beautiful. But no, normally it's just in fact, sometimes it's no reason, nothing happens. So what I get is suddenly there's a cut in my right hand side, it's sitting there looking at me, smiling. And I know that if I turn my head, it's it's not going to be there. So I'll enjoy it. And then we'll do this and it's gone. And I'll talk about and I'm smiling. I don't know why, I don't know where, I've no idea, but I get lots of glitches in my life. And the wonderful thing is this because I talk to lots of people, guess what? They tell me they do too. And nothing special about me at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:46

Right. There's they're terrified to tell anyone. And my my glitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:51

When I was a younger man, when I was a professional in my 30s, do you think I'm going to talk like this to clients and people? No. No. My my my career is finished. I'm no, I'm not kicking 75. I don't give a shit. I'm just it's great. I can just get to tell people the truth. And when I tell them the truth, guess what they say? Me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:08

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:09

It's lovely.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:10

It is lovely. Thank you so much. And I wonder, is there anything that bubbles up when I ask you this question? Is there anything in this moment that you would like to let the world know?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:25

Absolutely not. I have so much shit I need well hidden, so nobody's getting anything. But if I had something to let them know, it would simply be this. And I think we maybe talked about this at the very start. To everybody listening, I don't know what you're going through, and a lot of it would be a hell that I've never known, I'm sure. But here's the deal. And I have been told this by entities through my visitations, if you like, in my room, in my home, from things that are not of this planet, some gorgeous people who've looked at me and said, Here's the deal. You're fine. Everything's gonna work out exactly as you planned it. Even if it seems like shit, that's exactly what you wanted for this trip so you could learn something from it. You're fine, you're gonna be fine, all is well, everything is just running superb. Enjoy it more. Enjoy it more. That's the deal. That's it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:22

Well said, well spoken. And like you mentioned before, that's the truth. That's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:30

So you asked me to do something with the folks, yeah? Yeah. So uh I'll do something right now. Is that okay? That's beautiful. And before we do it, I should mention this very quickly. Sometimes I'll get a client that's sitting looking at me, and I'll check my watch, and we are 40 minutes in, and we've just been talking. It's been 40 minutes. Here we go. If they don't do hypnosis, I I do therapy. And the therapy is every single thing that I say when I open my mouth. Because um, unbeknownst to them, I'm pretty much scripted in the initial consultation. I know the areas I'm going to touch. So I'll often look at them and say, Oh, by the way, um, I don't know if you've checked your watch, but I could I could understand if you want to think to yourself, we've been talking for 40 minutes. When is Bob going to start? Just to let you know, I started 40 minutes ago when we said hello. Is that okay? And at that point, they'll nearly always laugh and go, Yeah, they get it. Yeah. Because it's true. I've been working for 40 minutes. It hasn't been all by the ways and what have you, yeah? So I've been setting something up, and I'll tell I've been setting everything up so that we can now do this. You might not even know it, but you're you're literally in hypnosis as you speak right now. So instead of doing this wonderful induction, I need you to, and I don't know if you can do this, but I'm gonna need to ask you to close your eyes. Do you think you could do that for me? And that's what I do. Sometimes I'll even do this. If you look over my shoulder, I'll say to them, there's maybe a mark up on that wall. Keep your or the room that you're in, there's a mark in the wall. Look at that mark, keep your eyes on that, just allow them to get stronger and stronger, yeah, heavier and heavier. And when you're a little bit uncomfortable and you think that's enough, just take a nice deep breath and just close your eyes for me. And that's what I do, and then we're into it, and I do it. So, what I'll do right now, if it's okay uh with you, I'll do a standard healing for anyone who's listening. And uh, I don't know how this will be for them personally here and now, but what they can do in the recording, they can listen to it again and adopt it to make it suit them, try it with some people they've got, and then uh if they could ever come back to me, that would be great. Because what I'm saying is I think they'll discover that they'll get some ridiculous results by simply doing this, by simply doing this. And it sounds as if I'm just talking, but remember what I said? I'm scripted, I'm touching all the parts I want to touch and for a reason. Yeah, but although I'm trained to hesitate, to modulate, to emphasize as if we're just having a chat. I'm not, I'm a I'm a monster. In fact, uh uh my my family motto, just to let all the the hearers listen to this, my family motto goes into ancient ancient uh uh Latin and it's sneakarios estas bestas, and that means sneaky is best, isn't that beautiful, right? So I'm a very sneaky therapist as far as getting people to where I need them to be, and we go from there. But it's all it's all a it's all a beautiful sneakiness, it really is. So shall we do that? Shall we try this now, yeah? Yes, please. So for everyone that's there, I don't know if you're looking at me or if you're just listening, but if you sit back wherever you are right now and just relax, uh you can keep looking at me if you want, or you can actually do the thing with me, which I think you'll enjoy. So let's uh see where we go. Pick a spot on the wall or up high in the ceiling, keep your eyes just looking at that, and just in your own time, whenever you want to, just take a nice deep breath all the way in for me, and just close your eyes and just drift and ream and float just like that. We can call this hypnosis if you want. I'm not going to. It's just Bob Burns speaking to you, making some suggestions to a part within you to see if we can have a bit of fun. Now, I would like you to think on Something that in your life right now is bothering you. It could be a physical pain you have right now on your elbow or your bottom or your head or whatever. It could be a challenge you've got, it could be a problem walking into a room when there's people in that room. Do you know that 40% of human beings are uncomfortable walking into a room if there's someone already in the room, yet they'll go through a whole life and they'll never even never even talk about that. So anything at all you want to bring forward, just imagine we're doing a session today and you brought brought forward this thing, and it's this thing we're going to work on right now. Is that okay? And we'll see what happens. So all I want you to do right now is concentrate on your heels, tell your heels to relax. That's it. And as you keep your eyes closed and you just breathe in gently through your nose, you just allow that relaxation to go all the way to your toes, and you allow the relaxation to go back to your heels, and you allow it once again to go up and into your ankles, and then up even further and into your calves, just like that. That's right. From there it goes up and into your knees, the bone, the gustle, the tendons of that knee joint. It's a complicated joint, isn't it? And you allow it to go even further now, very gently, up through the long muscles of your thighs into your hips, around your hips, into the small of your buck, and around again into your tummy. You just allow yourself to just relax. And now you allow. There's a word again. I use that a lot, don't I? Hello, hello, hello. But it's a great word. You just allow that feeling to go up through your diaphragm into your heart and your lungs. Your lungs are breathing perfectly. Your heart is beating excellently, and it goes into your shoulders now and down through your upper arms, your elbows, and your forearms, your wrists, and your hands and your fingers and your fingertips. Do you drift and dream and you just thought you just listen to my voice? Remember what I've told you before? You're fine, you're absolutely fine. Everything is completely rolling to plan. As you allow that relaxation to go all the way up to your shoulders again, and all the way through and into your chest, right there, and in your chest, you just take a nice deep breath from all the way in. And as you let it go, as this wonderful feeling goes into your shoulders now, and into the back of your neck and the back of your head, the top of your head, your forehead, and your eyes, and the muscles around your eyes, and your cheeks, your lips, and your mouth, and all the way down to your lower tummy, right there. Your lower tummy, and you just relax. You just relax. And a couple of things happen now. I want you to allow all anxieties that you think you possibly can have within your head or your body to leave you now like smoke, drifting away from a small bonfire. How about that? Yeah, it's a great game. We just allow all anxieties to leave our body now like smoke, drifting away from a small campfire, just getting higher and higher past the ceiling, past the clouds, past the moon and the stars to the far edge of the universe until it's just gone. The same with worries, what is of the past, what is of the present, or what is of the future. We allow every single worry you have within you to just float, to just go, to just drift, just to get higher and higher and higher, way out of that universe where they just get burned, they're just gone, they're just completely gone. And the same with feelings of guilt and shame and remorse. Everybody gets feelings like that. I do. Real or imagined, remember? We get feelings of guilt, real or imagined. Sometimes we we we do something and somebody says we're guilty, and before we know it, we're thinking, Am I? Am I what's because someone says you're guilty, and before you know it, you harbor that for a couple of years. What are you mental? Let that go. Even if you were guilty, say you're sorry and let it go now. Never to have to say you're sorry again. So all feelings of guilt and shame and the morse. This is the day. It's now, it's time to let it go, as I said, just like smoke, spiraling away from the smoke comfort, just getting higher and higher and higher and higher, but the morning stars is just gone. Now, what I'm gonna do is this I'm going to inject. Don't get scary, there's no pain. I'm just gonna inject through the very top of your skull. I'm gonna put in 50 cc's of anthropo. 50 cc's of anthropol. Anthropol is like a it's not so much like a power or a liquid, it's like a white light. It goes through the top of your skull now. And it goes right down through your spine, it goes to every nerve, every fiber, every muscle of your body. Relaxing, energizing, just making you feel fantastic, just fixing everything, fixing absolutely everything. And hey, it goes to that thing. Remember that thing? That thing could be that pain, that thing could be that feeling, that pain could be that thought, but whatever that is, the answer surrounds it and heals it now, and you allow, there's that word again. You allow that to happen. You don't try and make it happen, you just allow that to happen. Simple as that. So, what we do now is I build a beautiful, impregnable bubble around you, an impregnable bubble, it cannot be broken. So, that's wonderful feelings you've got now, the feelings of health, the feelings of happiness. Yeah, I put that in as well with the entrepreneur. I put in health and happiness. That's beautiful things. In fact, hoppiness more than anything else, you just want to be hoppy and get through this because compared to infinity, you'll be gone in a nanosecond. So you might as well enjoy it. You're here for no time. And I'm gonna riddle you with happiness now. And anytime I want you to stop any challenges you've got in life, to stop and think and go, you know what? I am just fine. I am fine. Here I know, and I am happy. Now, we've built that incredible, impregnable bubble now, yeah. And that happiness and that healing is inside you now. The happiness and the healing is inside you, but remember that stuff we got rid of? Remember that anxiety, that worries, that feelings of guilt or shame or remorse. Well, they're gone, but I'm gonna be honest with you, sometimes they try and come back. They try and come back and they knock on the door. They knock on the door and they say, Can we get in? It's anxiety here, and uh, I'd like to come back in again. Is that okay? Your job is to just laugh and say, No, you had long enough. Remember, you left? Bob Burns was here. Guy's a manioc. He built an incredible bubble around me. It's an impregnable. I've I'm riddled with health and happiness, and you can't come back even if I wanted to. So you can't get a bit it won't stop with that. It'll be there again. Come on, let me in. And the answer is no. You have to go on your way. I give you all the love in the world and all the happiness in the world, but you have to go somewhere else and build and grow yourself. And if you want to, you can even do this, you can help it on its way by simply doing this. You take a nice deep breath all the way in, and you just blow. And you blow that anxiety and that feelings of worry or guilt or shame or remorse, and they just get blown away. Simply because you're invincible, simply because you have this anthropology and this wonderful happiness, and this knowledge that you can create things. You can even laugh at yourself for doing it, by the way. The blowing technique, you can laugh at yourself for being stupid enough for doing it, and that will do it. That'll even make you laugh. You think am I doing this? Because it simply works. You simply, here we go, you take a deep breath all the way in, and you just blow that away. And you feel fantastic as you blow. And as you blow, you find yourself coming all the way back to where we were here, how we started off. And in your own time, you can simply open your eyes and come all the way back. That will simply be three hundred and fifty dollars. Okay, it's no money. Always mourning you lot. What is it with you? Oh, that's funny. All the best, guys. I hope you enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:48

I even wondered, uh Bob, do you feel that you're the current Milton Erickson? Oh, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:00

I'll tell you, I'll tell you a story about Milton Erickson. You maybe heard the story, all the listeners. It's a beautiful story. The story is, and it's supposed to be true, that Milton Erickson was talking to a group and he talked to this guy in the back of the room, and and the guy put up his hand and says, Yeah, I I don't believe in it. I don't I don't believe it. He says, sure, sure, sir. You you don't believe. You don't believe in hypnosis. Is that right? Yeah, I don't believe in hypnosis. Yeah, you don't believe in hypnosis, but what you can't do is you stand up and step into that that corridor. That's what you can't do. The guy stands up and he steps into the corridor. He says, I can't. He says, sure you can, but you'd find it very hard to walk down that aisle to the foot of this stage. The guy walks down to the foot of the stage and says, Like I said, I don't believe, sure, you don't believe in hypnosis, and you think you can control that walking, but for you to try and take five steps to come up at this stage would be very, very difficult. The guy takes five steps, comes up to the stage and looks at Milton Erickson. See, I can do all of that. Of course you can, but it would be very difficult for you to sit in that chair and just look at me and smile. The guy sits in a chair and he looks at me, gives him a big smile and says, I told you, I just don't believe in hypnosis. Of course you don't believe in hypnosis. And yet you'd find it really impossible right now to simply close your eyes and sleep. And the guy went right into hypnosis. That's the story. So I had to, didn't I? I had to do this with a guy, but did the whole thing. I go up in the stage and I did the bit. Sure, take a nice deep breath, close your eyes, and just sleep. And a guy looked at me and he says, Are you an idiot? So, no, I am not melting erection. It didn't work that way. But I'm glad I did it. Yeah, I'm glad I did it.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:36

Yeah. Thank you so much, Bob, for being here. It's an absolute pleasure. And we'll be sure to include your website and anything else in the description here. And thank you so much. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:49

All the best to you, my friend. Uh take care and to all the folks. Thanks for thanks for taking the time to say hello. We'll catch you real soon. All the best. Bye-bye.