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Sean Michael Andrews: Rapid Induction and the Legacy of the World’s Fastest Hypnotist

• Ryan DeJonghe, Founder of TranceWell.help • Episode 36

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In this episode of AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe, Ryan is joined by Sean Michael Andrews, widely recognized as the world’s fastest hypnotist. Sean shares his journey into the art of rapid induction, discussing how he transitioned from a fascination with the mechanics of the mind to mastering the techniques that allow for nearly instantaneous hypnotic states.

The conversation explores the practical applications of speed in both street hypnosis and clinical settings, emphasizing that rapid inductions are not just for show but serve as a powerful way to bypass the analytical mind quickly. Sean discusses his passion for teaching others how to use these tools ethically and effectively, his experiences traveling the globe to train the next generation of practitioners, and his philosophy on the profound value of helping people heal themselves through the "coolest thing ever"—hypnosis.

Key Takeaways & Meaningful Quotes

  • "I remember the first time I did a rapid induction on someone and they just dropped. I realized then that the conscious mind is just a gatekeeper, and if you know how to knock correctly, the door opens immediately."
  • "Being a hypnotist is doing the coolest thing ever. Entertaining people is great, but helping people heal themselves with hypnosis is a truly valuable thing to do on this earth."
  • "The speed isn't about the ego of the hypnotist; it's about the efficiency of the change. When you can move someone into that state in seconds, you have so much more time to do the actual work that matters."

How to Connect and Work with Us

Connect with Sean Michael Andrews: Sean offers world-class training in rapid induction, street hypnosis, and clinical applications through his various courses and live demonstrations.

Work with Ryan DeJonghe: Ready to explore your own transformation through hypnosis?

SPEAKER_00

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. And today we have an amazing guest, Sean Michael Andrews, the world's fastest hypnotist. Welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you, Ryan. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I had to channel my old comedy days back when I would be like the host and get everyone pumped up. And even that was kind of like how I started in hypnosis because I had that theory that people that come to a comedy show are already in a trance. The trance of they just had a fight with their spouse on the way there, or they're running late, you know, and then they're telling themselves, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, you know, just all day long. And they're coming into a comedy show with that loop. And then I'm like, so what if we do an interrupt at the door? Shake their hand and just be goofy, like pat them on the head, welcome to the show, and just snap them out or whatever they're telling them. And you know what? Through my you know, it's a small but anecdotal study, the shows did so much better. Like the laughter is more. And people start asking me, Ryan, like, how are your shows that you're producing? Like, such a great crowd. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, you wouldn't want somebody in that kind of mood in the audience of a comedy show. I mean, that's oh that would be deadly.

SPEAKER_00

It happens, though. Oh man, and it really strengthens your gut, you know, in the situations when you're telling jokes and just people are straight faced looking at you like, are you supposed to be funny? Like the best compliment I've ever got, and I call it a compliment. I'm sorry, this is supposed to be about you. This is a funny story. The best compliment I ever got in stand-up comedy was from the bartender after the show. He's like, Ryan, you are so funny. Why aren't you funny when you get behind the mic?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my God. Oh, that's horrible. I mean, because I mean that's that's every young guy's dream of doing stand-up comedy. I mean, none of us can do it. I mean, I couldn't, but uh, but yeah, that's uh that's that's that's pretty low.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then and the the way it that I see it tying to hypnosis is like Erickson, you know, like it seems like the words are just flowing from him. He wasn't sitting there and thinking about am I saying the right word, am I using the right inflection, am I pausing? He just he allowed what I'll call his subconscious to do the talking for him. It's like one subconscious being talking to another subconscious being.

SPEAKER_02

It reminds me of something. Um, let's see, uh the book.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02

I I just I just saw this man talk at a conference in London. Um goodness. Anyway, anyway, it was a um uh it was an interview with a a psychologist about about Ericsson. And the fellow said what was really special about Ericsson wasn't so much his hypnosis, but that he had the ability to take the patient or client into his heart. And that's why he was so successful. And I thought that really hit me hard. That's that's because and any therapist of any stripe that can do that with a client, I think I think that's most of the work right there. Because if they if they can feel that, that that you know, that love and you care about them and take them in your heart, boy, you've got it all done.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And I love and just look at the smile on your your face that demonstrates that you know the magic behind loving someone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's it's important.

SPEAKER_00

I'm thinking of two stories. Like one is this psychologist I worked with that I work at a hospital during the day, and she um she was asking someone, you know, just simple questions like, so how's your dog, or whatever? And then he asked her, Do you have a dog? And she's like, This isn't about me. Instant, instantly, the person, the the veteran that was seeing her just shut down. He's like, Fine, and this we're done here, you know, like we want you had to have that rapport, that love.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's the most important thing, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Now, what got you into this world of hypnosis?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, kind of roundabout. Um, I was working for the federal government, and um eventually, you know, they make you a manager, a supervisor, and then a manager. And so they had a course for the the new supervisors, and part of the course was on rapport building because what the federal government likes to do with their supervisors and managers is they take you off one mission and throw you on another one, and then they tell you just don't break it. And so, and so you've got another a brand new workforce that you have to establish uh a connection with. And so they thought that neurolinguistic programming, specifically the rapport-building techniques, would be really useful. Um and gosh, I mean that that that little that changed my life. Um but um so I studied a lot of NLP and then I followed it to Ericsson and then through Ericksonian hypnosis and and started studying that and taking classes, and then I discovered Dave Ellman's work, which suits me a lot better. I'm I'm a simple man, and I like I like things that are simple and and and straightforward and and repeatable. And for me, Elman suited my personality a lot better. So I went away from the Ericksonian stuff, even though I I still do incorporate it in my therapy, went away from that and strictly into the Dave Ellman techniques, and boy, that's that's that's where I am right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you made a a lifetime career out of it. You're uh you're known around the world, and you know, so obviously it's worked well for you. Now, what is that difference? Because I'm I feel like I'm more of an Ericksonian guy. I really I know the Elman induction. Aside from that, what really makes Elman Elmen and what works for you?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, Ericsson, I always say when I'm talking at a conference, how many of you are Ericksonian people? And they raise their hand and they'll say, See, see, look at these, they're the smart ones because Ericksonian hypnosis is not easy, it's hard, it's a lot harder. Elm Elman style hypnosis is it's much simpler, easier to get a handle on. But but anyway, um, and then of course there's the joke about why do they call it Ericksonian hypnosis because only Ericsson is the only one that can do it, right? Right, right. Okay, so so your question was uh about wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry, I've lost the lost the uh the difference between Elman and Ericsson, yeah. Because like Ericsson feels very permissive to me and very like like I said, like letting the subconscious do the talking versus my perception, like looking at the Elman induction, is that Elman was more of a do it in these steps type of type type of guy.

SPEAKER_02

He's more paternal, and that's that's like the the biggest distinction that people draw. Ericsson being more permissive and Elman the Elman being more uh directive, more some more paternal. And that's true, although both of them, you know, Elman could be very permissive, and and Ericsson also could be very direct. So, but it's it's in general when you you just look at them, yeah, Ericsson is is maternal and and and Elman is paternal. So that's that's the biggest difference. Um I think that uh Elman's text techniques are a lot more repeatable. I mean, Erickson's inductions I don't know, did he ever do the same thing twice? Not that not any recordings that I've ever seen. And um he he a lot of a lot of utilization, which also I brought into the way I do the Elman stuff, because that that's really important. I mean even something as simple as the uh the some people call it the sounds around you pad, or I call it a uh a filter. And and the reason for that is that you don't control the atmosphere. You you don't control the sound of the traffic outside, you know, somebody's telephone ring, and so you tell them you're gonna hear noises, none of those things are are going to bother you. In fact, any other sound you hear is just gonna help you to go deeper. And well, here's here's a good utilization one. Um I used to have a uh an office that right outside my my uh window was a dumpster. And and it seemed like they emptied that thing many times in a week. They were always out there.

SPEAKER_00

And I was like, you're there with a client and they're like, Exactly, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

And and and I'm working with this lady, and we're we're mostly through with the session. It was it was just a very uh involved session, and and we got rid of a lot of stuff. So anyway, I hear the truck coming. Yeah, and and and so uh so I said to her, and you've done such excellent work today, and and you have taken all that jump, and it's as if you just threw it in a dumpster. Brilliant, threw it in a dumpster, yeah, and a truck comes by and it grabs because it would grab that thing and lift it up, and then bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Yeah, and I said, and it's as if a truck comes in and picks up that crap and bangs it in the back of the truck and drives it away, and it's gone, it's completely gone, and now you're clear, and now you're blah blah blah done. So yes, I'm like that was my brilliant utilization Ericksonian thing ever.

SPEAKER_00

That's so brilliant. Like, I gotta take out the trash on Sunday, so I gotta set my alarm. So Monday morning, I'll be there just visualizing all my trash leaving. Metaphorically and physically, yeah, just leaving. Maybe I'll even write, you know, maybe I'll write something that I want to get rid of in my life and crumble it up and put it in that trash can and then just visualize it being sent to the dump and set on fire.

SPEAKER_02

Sounds good. Yeah, oh, set on fire too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, yeah, because I live, I don't know if you ever heard of Bridgeport, Connecticut. I live I'm in New Haven. Yeah, so Bridgeport, they they burn a lot of their trash to give electricity to their city.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so here we go. Boop, you know, but our trash actually gets sent by semi to Jersey, literally.

SPEAKER_02

Lucky Jersey.

SPEAKER_00

Lucky Jersey, man. Lucky Jersey. All right, so back to you, brother. So I like how you're talking about this focused attention. Like you can utilize a thing. So I'm wondering, and the other thing that I want to talk about your stage stuff. The thing that's kind of driving me these days is pain management. And you teach that at the Element Institute, right? You're like the head honcho over there from what I hear, right? Like you're the principal. And like if anyone gets in trouble, they gotta see you.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it it it really doesn't work that way, but but yeah, I'm okay. Um they said I'm the supervising supervising instructor of the Dave Elman Institute.

SPEAKER_00

Nice. That is that sounds fancy title to me. I love it. There's not a wall big enough for that certificate.

SPEAKER_02

Put that on my I love me wall. That's what my wife is.

SPEAKER_00

I love you wall, yeah. So how it mystifies me, this pain management. How do we use hypnosis to help people not feel pain, like going to the dentist and having you know no Novocaine? And like just the sounds, you know, and we talk about incorporating, like for me, just hearing the sound or the smell. You walk in the dentist's office, and isn't it the olfactory the quickest thing to the brain? Like everything else has to be processed, so you're smelling pain and novacaine, and yet, and then in comes Sean Michael Andrews, and like you're not gonna feel pain, and then the person sits there and they don't feel pain. So, how does that work?

SPEAKER_02

I wish it was that easy. All right, well, here here's something. Um, truthfully, to get total anesthesia, and and some people would disagree with me, but only a small percentage of hypnotic subjects can get total anesthesia. And um, but uh just about anyone who can go into hypnosis can get analgesia so that they won't they won't feel as much pain. Uh an anesthesia, when we well, you work in a hospital. Anesthesia, when we talk about that, they wouldn't even feel sensation, they would just, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Or like uh they have some Twilight Sedition, the propopol, which kind of mimics the hypnosis. Yeah, so it's like you you forget and it like turns off your pain.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, uh propofol, uh, because I've I've I've taught a lot of um anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists, so we've talked a lot about propofol. And yeah, it's they call it milk of amnesia, because even if you did feel pain, you're gonna forget that you felt it. So yeah, and I don't know how you feel about that.

SPEAKER_00

But well, dude, I had heart um I had the pacemaker put in, and that's what they put me on. Yeah, and then so they said that when they were wheeling me out, I don't remember a thing, but when they were wheeling me out, they're like, dude, we want to go to the club with you. I was like, okay, cool, I guess I'm a fun guy, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Well, often, often they'll use uh kind of a cocktail of propofol and then some stuff that actually does um well they'll they'll use three things, right? They'll use the propofol to put you to sleep, and they'll use uh uh some kind of narcotic to take away the pain sensation, and then they'll also sometimes give you something to paralyze you so you don't wiggle around when they're cutting off. Oh, right. Yeah. But but if the other two didn't work, you're not gonna remember it anyway because the propofol takes away your memory.

SPEAKER_00

You're gonna scream your head off in agonizing pain. Yeah, as they just place sledgehammer to your kneecaps or whatever they do, and then you don't remember a thing about it.

SPEAKER_02

I really hope nobody's getting ready to go on an operation right now.

SPEAKER_00

All right, so let's talk about so basically basically you put them in trance, right?

SPEAKER_02

And then you uh you can either distract them or you can you can just give them the suggestions that they'll feel a sensation, uh, nothing will bother them, they'll they'll they'll know that the work is being done there, but um, but it won't cause any discomfort. Um yeah, it's it's some people it works beautifully, and some people it just helps a quite a bit. Um and it's it's just direct suggestion, right? You can you also you tell them that you will hear, for instance, a drill. If they're doing dental stuff, you'll hear it, but it won't bother you. In fact, that just takes you deeper into hypnosis and makes you feel more comfortable. Um, another another important point about using hypnosis for anesthesia and analgesia is that it it the hypnosis doesn't have to be, you know, either you use uh anesthesia or you use hypnosis. Um hypnosis can be a great adjunct to anesthesia or analgesia. As a matter of fact, um some of the experiments that uh that that Elman's dentist did back during the 1940s and 50s was they would um they would process the the patient and they would give them just a tiny fraction of the novocaine that they would normally use for a drill or for uh extraction, and but they would add the hypnosis, and so they could use just a small amount of the um of the anesthesia and get perfect uh anesthesia. Um and then, of course, when the process when the procedure was done, then the guy wasn't walking around drooling the whole day because he didn't have that much novicaine in him anyway, but but they could get perfect anesthesia with a fraction of the chemical if they added the hypnosis to it. So hypnosis doesn't have to be you know in place, totally in place of the anesthesia, it can be an adjunct, and that works really nicely.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. And what's the difference between like digital analog? So it's not like either or, it's like it's a spectrum. Yeah, that's I never thought of that because when I'm thinking about the word pain, I'm thinking just eliminate, but really it's dialing down those numbers. If you get zero, great. If you get if you go from a 10 to a two, great.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, exactly exactly. Um, one of the experiments I did years ago was um uh the tattoo experiment. And I called this tattoo shop, and I I asked if I could come over. Um yeah, and they did they let me come over, and I said, I think I can let you do a painless tattoo. And and they said, Well, all right, we'd like to see that. So they brought in this guy, and he was a he they said he's a big baby. His name was Mike. He's a big baby. Mike the baby, yeah. Mike, Mike's when Mike get gets tattoos, his wife sits there and pats his hand and says, sweetie, you're okay. You're baby. Oh yeah, and Mike, which was really funny because Mike was covered with tattoos. Yeah. So he's that's usually the way it is.

SPEAKER_00

The big, gruesome looking dudes are like the biggest you know, teddy bears.

SPEAKER_02

And he was um, yeah, he was he was uh he must have done a lot of crying. But anyway, so so I hypnotized Mike and I told him that um I um when I pick your arm up and drop it, you're um you can go on vacation, go wherever you want to do, go eat whatever you want to eat, drink whatever you want to drink, and have fun. And after I had told him that he wouldn't feel any sensation on the arm where they were working on him, yeah. I said I told him it was like it was covered with um with rubber, like a um like a diving suit and uh like a wetsuit, and he would know they were working, but it wouldn't bother him. And then he just went off to Amsterdam, he told me later. And uh the tattoo artist uh he said I hammered him. I tried to hurt him, and I couldn't. And and Mike just smiled the whole time. And they were doing under here, and that's very sensitive there. Yeah, yeah. And did the whole process and Mike didn't feel a thing. Mike just sat there and smiled. So so yeah, so by the way, if anybody, if anybody wants it, I'll I'm I'm I've given it to a lot of people. So if anybody wants to contact me, I'll I'll be happy to share, and of course I'll share it with you. It's yeah, um, yeah, it's it it works really easily.

SPEAKER_00

That's amazing. Yeah, that is so cool. Like when you're saying that, um I was singing um I walk home from work and I pass a tattoo shot. You know I'm going to be knocking on that door. Yeah, hey, yo.

SPEAKER_02

And and then the guy, the guy who worked with me, um, the the tattoo artist, his name is Matthew Amy. And Matthew, he actually he got written up in uh in a tattoo magazine. It was called Suicide Girls, I think it was called. And uh and so they wrote him up as the guy that does painless tattoos. But anyway, Matthew told me, he said, it's good that we can do this. He said, but I think when you get your first tattoo, you should feel that pain. You should feel it. And I said, Well, Matthew, one of the things that I did was I gave him a dial, and and the dial, you know, and he dialed the pain down. I said, but you know, that dial that works both ways. He says, Some guys want to feel the pain. I said, Okay, they can feel as much pain as they want. If you crank that dial up, they're gonna definitely feel it. So so that was a lot of fun. But yeah, he was took my hypnosis course.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm wow, um you use a lot of visual imagery, whether it's a dial or the wetsuit on the arm or the trash chuck. And what's going on in the mind where my theory is that it releases chemicals like from the lymbatic part of the brain where it releases that hormonal cascade of whatever's going on, there's so many hormones going on. So something's happening in the brain when you're using this visual imaging, because obviously they don't really have a wetsuit. Obviously, they don't really. I mean, yes, there was a trash truck, but they don't have an actual dial. Yet when they move the dial that they whatever their imagination is, their brain responds. So, what's going on there?

SPEAKER_02

Boy, I don't know. I if I had to guess, I'd say that it's probably different for every for every person. Um, some may have that good visual image, and then of course they always say that some people can't visualize. Um, so I don't know what goes on with them, but now that's um I I can't speak to that. You just do it, you just come up with these cool they send it, they just respond, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's like you're a magician pulling things out of thin air. You're like, and now there's a rabbit in front of you, and you pet the rabbit and you notice your blood pressure going down.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And And uh it helps as a hypnosis to have a good imagination to come up with these things.

SPEAKER_00

Hmm. Yeah, so I'm just picturing like I don't know what is for you, but for me it's Star Wars, you know, like I want to lift the TIE fighter out of the swamp type of thing, you know. Like I want to see what's possible with this hypnosis stuff, you know? Like it's some amazing things happen and just using visualization. Like what you've had a great career. What's like one of the stories that pops to your mind where you're like, oh yeah, just now like what was coming to your head? What have you seen helping clients with hypnosis?

SPEAKER_02

Oh well, um gosh. I think I think one one kind of sticks in my mind is one of my earliest clients, and um she was um I think she she she had cancer, and I can't remember what she came to me. Oh, I know it was it was uh anger issues and um her relationship with her mom was had been horrible and we cleared up her relationship with her mother, and it was like this this huge weight had been lifted from this lady, and at the end of the session I looked at her, and this this happens a lot, and she looked like a different lady than the one that came into my office. She was she was glowing, she was just took and looked ten years younger. And and she's the one she came back to me the next week and she said um she stopped in and she said, I just want to let you know that if I died tomorrow, it I would it would I would die happy. She said, You you actually you changed my life. Um you know I was I was in government for 25 years and I thought I did some really cool stuff, but nobody ever told me you changed my life. Yeah. And and you can you can be you can hear that from clients if you're doing good work in hypnosis and God talk about rewarding.

SPEAKER_00

I just feel so good just hearing it, you know, just someone telling you that and watching your smile reliving that story, just that alone like reflect it out, and that's really cool to to witness.

SPEAKER_02

And when you're doing when you're doing this work, you hear things like that. And um yeah, I mean, what uh what better pursuit? That's right, yeah, yeah. It's amazing's lives better.

SPEAKER_00

And you mentioned in that session where she was making amends with the mother, yeah. And to me, what I just heard was the mother wasn't there, yet you're doing so are you doing like some kind of parts work?

SPEAKER_02

I think with her, I think at that time what I was doing was uh kind of a modification of Fritz Pearl's empty chair technique where she had the discussion with her mom and uh well argument. Right, actually discussion, and then they they made up. So yeah, I think I think I used something like that, but um I learned a um I learned a technique from um a fellow named Michael Bennett. Michael passed away about my gosh, I guess it was five or six, maybe seven years ago. Anyway, he was he was a brilliant hypnotist and NLP uh practitioner. And his technique, which I use a lot now, is he'll say, let's just say you were physically abused by somebody, and he'll say, I want you to imagine that uh sitting in a chair about no, let's say, standing in front of you, about six feet in front of you, is let's say it was the mother, okay, is is your mother and um and it's it's it's been said, and I think this is very true, that people do human beings do the best they can with given the resources that they have at the time. Does that make sense to you? And the client will always say yes. So imagine that your mother is there about six feet in front of you, and um, as you look at her, what is the one resource? My my dog's rolling around on the floor.

SPEAKER_00

It's funny because as yours is rolling, I don't know if you can hear it on mine, but the dog, my dog, I'm in my basement, and the dog above me is rolling on the ground too. I think maybe there's something in the air or something.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. If we were going live with this, I'd be curious how many people watching live would have their dogs rolling around.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So anyway, so so as you look at her, what is the one resource that she didn't have that if she had had it, she never could have done this to you? And then give her some suggestions. It might be love, it might be understanding, it might be maturity. I don't know what it is, but your unconscious knows what it is. What is the one resource that she didn't have that if she had, she never could have done this to you? And your client will say whatever, uh understanding or love. Let's say it was love. Whatever, whatever your client says is the right answer. And then you have to tell a little tell a little fib, and you say, Well, I've only known you for an hour now, but I'm a pretty good judge of character, and I can tell that you are a very loving person. You've got a love, a lot of love inside you, don't you? And the client will agree because the resource that the client comes up with is always a resource the client believes that she has in abundance. So if she if she picked maturity, that would be something that your client believes that she possesses in abundance. So that's why it's always the right answer. So you say, All right, let's say, but we're working with love. So I say, I can tell you're a very loving person. Now, I I there's probably so much love inside you, love that you have for your family, for your friends, for even for strangers on the street. Now I want you to get in touch with that love and let that love begin to build up and get stronger and stronger and stronger and build it, build it, build it, right? And then maybe do a one to five count. Yeah. One, feel that feeling coming up, getting really strong. Two, that love that you feel, that love that you give to people. Three, it makes you feel so good. Four, building, building, bending, five. And now, start start feeling, throwing that love into mom. Put it in there. Give her, give her more, give her more, give her more, throw more of that love. She needs it, right? Look how you're changing her. Your client's sitting there with her eyes closed, but you know, look how you're changing her. See how you're changing her. Give her more. She thinks she has enough, but no, and by the way, when I when I do my therapy, I do it in this kind of a voice. And because I think the subconscious likes that sort of thing. That's exciting, yeah. Give her more, give her more, fill her up. She thinks she has enough, but she doesn't. Give her more, give her more, fill her up, fill her up all the way to the top, and fill the entire room with that love. And they are good. And then you say, and now, as you look at her with all that love that you put in there, do you think she could do that now? And the client will go, no. And the the the um forgiveness is automatic, and and it's like boom, you just blow away all the all the bad feelings, and and and my wife actually came up with the the idea of why this actually works, why the forgiveness is automatic. And what she said was that uh it's almost like rapport building. I mean, you made the offender the same as her, you're you've established rapport between the two, and and that's that's why the the forgiveness is automatic. And yeah, so that technique that Michael Bennett taught me probably 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Yeah, I I love that technique, and yeah, it's it's helped so many people.

SPEAKER_00

I love it too, and it not only goes through this what you call it imaginary conference or imaginary therapy session, but also it I feel like it works in real life as you strengthen the resources within yourself. We we notice that, let's say love is a great example. I love my resource for love goes up, up, up. And then by default, the people around me in the real world begin to feel that love and respond. Such as like eye contact and a smile, like if I'm laughing about something in my head, and I look at someone, I'm just laughing, having a good time in my head, they they give a smile back because it just you feel that.

SPEAKER_02

Sure. And and the the the beauty of this uh Michael Bennett's technique is that um, you know, if you use Fritz Pearl's empty chair technique, sometimes you can have some long arguments, you know, back and forth and back and forth, and and this this just cuts to the chase, and that's why I love it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think because I'm I do like doing ego work. I know it's a big debate among hypnotists. Uh I like it. I see a lot of utility in it, and I love that this technique speedens it up because sometimes you're right, those ego sessions, damn. And some people have like 250 different ego states, you know, like and they're all bickering and uh it's like Thanksgiving on Jerry Springer, you know, like someone's throwing a turkey and someone's punching someone with cranberry sauce, and just it's a mess. Yeah, but this is just give the person all the positive resources, and it's almost like uh the Hawaiian tradition. I know I'm going to put your but the hoponopo where they say to themselves, to themselves. I think um Todd James was a big guy, and they called it Hunan. Yeah, yeah. And it's the where you start with, I forgive you, say it to yourself, or no, you say, Please forgive me, and then thank you, and then like I love you, and you're saying it to yourself, and then thank you, I love you to yourself. It's like you forgive yourself, and in that regard, you begin to give yourself those resource states, and people around you begin to change.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know, it's just like it's it's just this whole thing that you're talking about, uh Michael Bennett. I'm gonna say his name again because that's an incredible little exercise, is giving someone the power for themselves, and then in turn heals their relationships. Yeah. That's sweet. And then I like how you use that excited voice. I see a lot of hypnotists are like, you have to talk like this and slow with pauses and lower your voice, like you're doing a meditation. You know, and then you're like, I think some of that comes from your uh stage hypnosis.

SPEAKER_02

Like I actually have to credit Gerald Kine with this because he encouraged me to uh talk to the subconscious mind with with some uh some excitement because he thought that the subconscious mind likes excitement and and and so I I mostly got that from him, but but yeah, you're right. It's it's oh and then of course what about uh what about the hypnotic voice, right? Right, the hypnotic voice. Everybody got to stand now and take a nice deep breath and feel and and and yeah. When I first started uh when I first started studying hypnosis, I remember there's this one guy, I was in um uh a class, and there was this older hypnotist there, and he was just taking the class just to brush up. And and I remember him just he would open his mouth and hypnosis came out. That's right. And as you take a nice deep breath, that's right, and I'll let it out, and blah blah blah. And he would just go on and on and on. He would just start with a mouthful of air and hypnosis came out, and I thought, I'm never gonna be able to do that. I will never ever be how because I was a quiet boy, right? Right, right. And and and so, but it just it just took practice, but it's it's kind of funny when you hear people go into their hypno voice.

SPEAKER_00

Right, yeah. And you know, the that model you're talking about reminds me, because I come from being a preacher long ago, and I walked away from that. And the whole church is kind of set up as the perfect hypnotic model because they come in, they do this praise and worship, they have the drum cage, doo-doo, doo-doo, and these lights, you know, there's a it's a fantastic, it's a concert, man. And that brain goes in that gamma state, those gamma waves are on the side that pump up, and then just like you're talking about, the preacher gets up there and out of his mouth comes hypnosis. Um kind of like the peanuts cartoon, uh, Jesus. You know, the hypnosis is coming out of the preacher's mouth, you know, and your brain starts going into the beta state. The more he does it, the more you're thinking, where are we going for lunch after church? You know, what you know, what you know, your your mind starts wondering, and and then pretty soon, and then what do you do next? Bow your head and close your eyes. And then your brain goes into the alpha state, into that highly suggestible, and you're like, okay, now's a chance. You can become a member of the church. And if you feel a calling to give us a tithe, just flip your hand up in the air. Yes, I see those hands across this. Everyone's raising their hands now. Everyone's eyes are closed. So he's just saying, everyone, the whole place is full of raising hands. Yes, give your tithe, give your tithe. Praise Jesus, you're now a member of the church. It's a great analogy. Okay, go in there, Ryan.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, yeah, go in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I understand your caution. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I appreciate that. And we can also look at it in stage hypnosis. You get them excited at the beginning, like, hey, this is cool. Maybe you do like a mentalism trick or some kind of cool magic trick to get them pumped up, and you're like, yes, yes, you want to come volunteer, you give them the pre-talk, they come up on stage, you do more talking, you game out down to beta, and then you slowly take them down to that alpha stage.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, I I do I do my show a little differently now. Um I do um now I I I do start out with some mentalism. I'll start out with um three uh effects. And I love it because it gives me uh maybe 20 minutes to establish rapport with my audience. And I find that it it works a lot easier if I do that. Um, but then after I've done the mentalism, then I start out with uh with a suggestibility test, finger magnets. And and then I say when they start touching, I say, and sometimes they stick. And if you stare at those fingertips, sometimes they just won't come apart. You stare at them, and the harder you try to pull them apart, the more they stick. And then I walk into the audience and I just drop them, you know, sleep, sleep, sleep. And then I bring them up on I then I bring them out and and I invite them up on stage. And so the first few people that I bring up on stage, of course I sit them in the middle. The first few people I bring up on stage, they've already been pre-hypnotized. So I know that I've got at least four or five people that are deep, deep subjects. And then I'll invite other people to come up, and uh, and then I'll do a regular stage induction, which is the Dave Elman group induction. That's what I use in stage hypnosis, and then uh, yeah, and then of course you start out with the easier skits, the hot and cold and that sort of thing. And then you get into the the more difficult skits toward the end.

SPEAKER_00

I and just for everyone's awareness of how good Sean Michael Andrews is, not only is he the fastest hypnotist in the world, he works with the most difficult of people on stage shows. Like normally, as a stage hypnotist, you want to go for you know, a high school prom, you know, after parties, or you want to go for college campuses, you know, where people are suggestible and like to play along, and and you, sir, are like going to like the land of muggles.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so street hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00

Well, no, like your retirement communities.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, you know what? They're Brian, they're actually pretty good. They're they're not real bad. I I thought they were not gonna be good. Right. Uh the funny thing is though, only the women come up on stage. That's funny. I I'll uh who is it? Uh my friend Chris Jones did a did a show here in the villages uh a couple weeks ago, and and I told him, I said, you know, you're only gonna get women up here. And he had, I think he had 15 or 18 people up there. Everyone was a woman. He didn't get one man up there. And uh it's it's just so funny. And then I'll also do uh charity uh shows for the they've got three thousand over three thousand clubs in the villages. Oh wow, it's it's it's a it's a a city actually of like 160,000 people during the high season, and uh there are 3,000 clubs, and so I'll do um charity um shows for them to benefit the food bank. And once again, I know I'm only gonna get women. I've got to try really.

SPEAKER_00

Why? Is uh are the men just so stubborn?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Like they're all mostly like uh life sucks, I don't want to play.

SPEAKER_02

I have to go out, I have to go out in the audience and grab the men, because otherwise I'm gonna have a completely female committee. Um which I mean it's still okay, it's still a good show. Right, right. But you can't um you know, it's it's it's nice to have at least one one guy in there. So, but yeah, I I I predicted that he would get all women, and I was right. He the women are the ones that get up, but yeah, it's um so so they're not as difficult as I thought they would be. But yeah, I mean the the natural thing, like the high schools are the easiest, and then the colleges, and then um fairs are kind of uh you don't know, it might be real good, it might be not so good, like and um and then uh corporate corporate is the hardest. Maybe maybe a club or uh something like that, that'd be right before corporate. Corporate's the most difficult because the bosses don't want to look silly in front of the workers, the workers don't want to look silly in front of the bosses, and and and yeah, so that that makes it the toughest, but and and the high schools are the ones that have the least amount of money, and corporate are the ones that pay the most. So the most difficult one is the balancing act, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you gotta earn that money.

SPEAKER_02

It's exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What about cruises? I saw Barkers on cruises these days.

SPEAKER_02

Cruises cruises are not bad. Uh cruises are well, I I actually wait a minute. I I have not done cruises myself, but um but they are they are not bad because a lot of the people are have had a couple drinks, and and alcohol does make you more highly hypnotizable. We did actually did a uh did a little experiment when I was in in Germany and uh to test this. And yes, it it worked. A university had already that's Leeds Leeds University in the UK did this study probably about 15 years ago, but we duplicated it in Heidelberg uh about eight years ago, and boy, it really did make a difference, made them much more highly hypnotizable. Interesting, yeah. I had six subjects, six somnambulus, so really good subjects, and I hypnotized them all, and I said, rate your depth of trance, and they said about a six on a scale of one to ten. And then uh three of them I gave water to drink, and three of them I gave wine to drink. And the the the ladies who drank the wine, they um they had two or three I think they had three. I think they had three glasses of wine each, except for one had four because I wasn't watching her very carefully. And um and then I hypnotized the group again, and the water drinkers said about a six, and the the wine drinkers were just off the scale. They were twelve, you know. They were they were excellent.

SPEAKER_00

Really so in other words, I got in this podcast early, they make the package store before they close.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, yeah. It's it's it's definitely it and and so but that's one of the reasons why cruises are are easier. And then the other reason is that they're to be they're they're gonna have fun. Yeah, that's right. And so so a a cruise can be uh can be a really good show.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that sounds good. I it looks like because Richard Barker he's posting pictures online. Well he's done a lot of cruises, yeah, and and you know, part of me is like jealous, he's out there, his pants rolled up, barefoot and The blue water, just entertaining people, making people laugh. I'm like, damn it. Yeah. Um, I want to go back to like you're you started with the NLP, Eric Sonian, and then Elman. Right. And I understand it, like, when you see clients, you like to do the hypnosis with the NLP in it. It's like a superpower. Like you take NLP and with the hypnosis, it's like you turbocharge it.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's my feeling. I think NLP is is a great technology, but add it to hypnosis, and it's yeah, see, much better.

SPEAKER_00

What like what's something you might do? Like, I don't know. What's an example of someone coming to you? You can make up a scenario here, and then what's a technique that you do?

SPEAKER_02

Fast phobia cure. Fast phobia cure works beautifully, but you do it with somebody in hypnosis, then it works even better. Uh, so you can knock out a phobia. Um actually, I use fast phobia cure for um any strong emotion. You know, if if somebody if somebody's had trauma, and I use this when uh when I was in Ukraine with the wounded guys, because if you have trauma associated with when they blew you up, um it's not I I I've all right, I don't I don't have proof of this, but my feeling is that it's uh it's easier to heal if you take away the psychological trauma, and then your body can just get on with doing what their body does really well, which is heal itself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's a lot of science there too. Like there's some good um there's a book that James Tripp recommended to me, Healing Beyond Pills and Serums. And it's about this medical doctor and some crazy stuff, like just the power of suggestion and stitching a wound, like putting stitches in a wound, and saying, make sure you schedule it a couple to get their stitches removed a couple days early because you're gonna heal faster. Just saying that, and sure enough, just a suggestion, and sure enough, their body healed faster, just that quickly of uh just some positive words coming from a man wearing a lab coat.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly, exactly. And that's you know, it's waking hypnosis. So, so yeah, so but if when I have somebody with trauma, then I use fast phobia cure to take away the the the juice from that bad thing that happened to them, and it works beautifully. So, so fast phobia cure is not just for phobias, it's to take the um the emotion out of any trauma. I I use it a lot that way.

SPEAKER_00

Now, the fast phobia for the people that are not aware of it, I believe this involves some mental imagery. Again, before we talked about imagine the wetsuit or imagine the garbage truck. So in the fast phobia, what's what's it for the listeners and viewers?

SPEAKER_02

I'll explain it briefly. Um, so you tell them, imagine you're uh you're sitting in a theater, uh, there could be a movie theater, it could be people there, or you could be alone, whichever makes you feel more excuse me, more comfortable. You're looking up at the big screen. Now, in a moment, I'm gonna have you run a black and white movie with no sound of this bad thing that happened, from beginning to the end where you're safe again. And in the end, I want you to freeze the frame. Alright. So go ahead and run a black and white movie with no sound all the way to the end. Should take you, I don't know, ten seconds. You know, don't don't let them drag it out. Ten seconds, and then raise your finger when you've done that. Okay. Did you freeze the frame? Good. Alright, now uh in your mind's eye, I want you to imagine that you leap into that frame, that that frozen frame. Alright, now turn the colors up bright and vivid, lots of bright, vivid colors, like technicolor, okay? And now pump in some music, like some carnival music or like a calliope that do do do do do do right. Get the music louder, louder, louder. And when I tap you on the the back of the wrist, I want you to run that movie backwards as fast as you can, all the way backwards to the beginning of where the thing started, and then raise your finger and let me know you've done it. Take and tell them, say it's gonna take you four or five seconds to do it, okay? And run that movie backwards, quick, quick, quick while we'll be beginning. The finger goes up. Okay, jump in the movie screen, all right, colors up bright, music up loud, and run it backwards, zip, zip, zip, zip, and you might do it, I don't know, eight, nine times, something like that. And then, and then you you just ask them, you say, All right, so when well you can you can have fun with them, you can say, all right, now I want you now, I want you to think about that thing, that incident, and just try to make yourself feel bad. And you'll find the harder you try to make yourself feel bad, it's not there. So, so what about that thing? What's your what's your level of what's your level of discomfort with that or anything? And they'll go zero. Sometimes they'll give you a one or two, so you can do it some more to get rid of it. But usually they'll say zero, I don't feel it. And then you you can say, Well, I hope you weren't real attached to that, because it doesn't come back. And and they'll smile and and yeah, I mean, that's the work is done. You can do some ego strengthening with them, but but that's that's the heavy lifting right there. So the fast phobia cure, any kind of any kind of trauma. I mean, you could also yeah, I mean, it it's it's just any kind of trauma or any kind of uh phobia or fear that they have, it's I use it a lot.

SPEAKER_00

Um I I love it. I I absolutely do. I love how you use the hypnosis and it brings to my story. I tried to do the fast phobia with my daughter. You know, we always struggle with our own family members anyhow, so but anyhow, it's like trying to help her. She's like, no, no, no, that feels it makes my brain feel weird. I'm like, okay, fair enough. And then but I can imagine like if someone like they go into that hypnotic state and are more you know, just okay with the process, and I see how they can turbocharge the effects and make it go quicker.

SPEAKER_02

It it really does.

SPEAKER_00

No wonder they call you the world's fastest hypnotist. I mean, you're you're doing Bennett for these like these ego state processes, like done, and then doing the phobia cure, which done.

SPEAKER_02

I do I do like to do most things fast. Not anything, but most things. But no, I think they call me the world's fastest hypnotist because I own that website.

SPEAKER_00

That's why it's a good website to own, yeah. Yeah, it's a good web before because I Googled and then it up popped the YouTube video of the other dude that was on Letterman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he called himself the world's fastest. I think it was like late 80s or something, but he was like Marshall Silver, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he he and I both studied with Gil Boyne, who is also known as the world's fastest hypnotist. And and Dave Elman was known as the world's fastest and youngest hypnotist.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I didn't know that about Elman. Interesting. Yeah, fastest and youngest. So then Scott Sandlett took that title from him, the youngest.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I think you took the fastest title.

SPEAKER_00

Sandlett took the the youngest.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Scott was in diapers when he started in hypnosis, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's cool, man. So we talked about pain, we talked about the stage. I'm just wondering at this point in your career, what's a thing of advice for the people that are just getting into this community of hypnosis? Like what yeah, what's your sage wisdom from looking back over the years of your career?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I think the things that I think are really important for a new hypnotist are one, hypnotize as many people as you can. That was I think that's what um made me uh uh confident was going out and doing street hypnosis. I mean, if you have a thriving practice, you might see five, seven people in a day. If you go out and do street hypnosis, you can hypnotize 20 people in the space of a couple hours. And and and you learn a lot. So uh another thing that's really good is maybe get back in a uh practice group with other hypnotists and just do inductions on one another. And so your induction that should be the smallest part of what you do. It should be like breathing, doing your inductions. And and when you feel really confident with your inductions, then then you can get into the hard stuff, which is beginning being a good therapist. So so do lots of inductions also. Don't wait to see clients. Um I waited um I waited a long time, I waited a couple years before I really started seeing clients, and it wasn't I I was warned, I I was told if you don't see clients within a week of taking a class, you're probably never gonna do it. And it's true. So take a good class and uh and then get out there and start helping people. You're not gonna do a fantastic job, the first couple. I always say, if I could just find my first couple clients and give them their money back. I wish I could but you're not gonna be you're not gonna be great, but that's you're gonna learn more from working with clients than from any class that you're ever gonna take. And I'd learn so much from my clients. Um, so those are those are the two main things I'd say. Oh, and also the the hypnotists nowadays, they they're fortunate. Uh back in the I don't know, back 20 years ago, 30 years ago, we we didn't have the ability to search online and find out about the instructors. You know, you just found a hypnosis instructor, and maybe that person was really good, and maybe the person wasn't, but you didn't know. So now, I mean, you can actually poke around and and find people, you can look at people's um uh testimonials, you can ask them to put you in touch with some of their former students, you can uh you can watch them on video and see how they operate. You can look on their site and find out are they are they more spiritual, are they more scientific, are they more this or that? And and none of them are either right or wrong. It's just what would appeal to you. And and so, yeah, it's it's but the first two things though, practice those those inductions and start seeing clients as soon as possible. I know people who they take their first hypnosis certification class, and while they're in class, they'll put something up on Facebook saying, Hey, anybody want to stop smoking? I'm in this class right now, and I'll work with you when I get home on Tuesday or whatever. Yeah, and yeah, so have those clients lined up.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. I keep saying that to everything you say. It's true. And I agree with you because I do both client work and stage and street, and it's just a huge benefit for the client work, for change work, is to do the street work. Yeah, it's there's just you learn a lot. Like I remember um Orson Wells doing a little stunt, and it was about cold reading, and he put up the tent about being a psychic. Yeah, and he's like psychic, you know, free readings, and at the beginning of the day, he just generic stuff, you like the color purple, whatever. Yet he saw so many people coming out of that tent. Okay, so by the end of the day, he was able to cold read people. He was like, just like Erickson, he'd be like, Oh, I see you just lost someone very dear to you. Maybe it was your father, you know, just like and they're like, How did you know? He just because he just saw so many people.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, that's cold reading. Is I I find that fascinating. I've got actually a book here somewhere up in the that's I could have sworn I had one still up here for I I I I'm fascinated by cold reading. It's uh it's it's very entertaining.

SPEAKER_00

It's entertaining and it makes me angry that I can't do it better.

SPEAKER_02

I I think that's one of those things that yeah, just like the hypnosis, you just have to practice it. And uh yeah, it's it's um, but yeah, it's it's it's cool stuff.

SPEAKER_00

It is cool stuff. And uh how do you do the street? Like we talked about the mentalism. For me, I used to do, hey, do you want to see a quick experiment about the power of your mind? You have total control and you can see something cool that you can do. And people just look at me like I'm a weirdo. I mean, off and on, but then I go up and say, Hey, you want to see a quick little trick, a magic trick? And they're like, Oh, okay, that's more acceptable. And it's like, how about now? And you know, so that's my lead-in now. So, how do you do it?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, well, one of the things that we found was the most successful was I said to send the students out and um they'll approach people and say, Look, we've just finished, or we're in an advanced hypnosis class, and we've been given an assignment. The assignment is to elicit hypnotic phenomena from five people. It takes just a minute. Would you would you help us finish this assignment? And then they'll go into maybe finger magnets or books and balloons, that sort of thing, and then from there roll into an induction. If the person is having a good time with it, then say, All right, you wanna you want to take two more minutes and and see a hypnosis induction? Yeah, sure. And and so that that was one of the most effective things that we found. Uh, when we used to go out doing street hypnosis a lot, we would have a a sandwich board that was sitting there and it would say free hypnosis. And then on the other side it had uh common misconceptions about hypnosis. And people would come up, you go to a place uh where there are a lot of pedestrians, maybe a touristy place, and people will stop and read the sign, and then you walk up to them and you say, Yeah, we're we're um demonstrating hypnosis. Would you like to see a couple things? And then yeah, then they'll usually play with you. Um uh it's best to have a group of people, not by not if you're just a single guy, it it makes it much more difficult. Uh helps to have a woman or two with you because that makes it less threatening.

SPEAKER_00

Like I was gonna say, I had my daughter following with me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so that was that was perfect.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Um, let's see, what else? What are some of the other tricks we used to use? Oh, well, then also uh hypnotize a friend. So one of your group is probably a blowdown, you know, a comp a really great subject. So you just hypnotize him or her and maybe do a handshake interrupt. And so they're standing there in the middle of the square and they've got their one arm up and their eyes are closed, and and and the hypnotist is working with them, and people walk by and they see that and they stop and what's going on. And then one of the group can say, Hey, well, he's demonstrating hypnosis, it's really cool. Would would you like to try it? Yeah, okay. And so bring them in that way. So, and then once you hypnotize a few, a crowd will form, and that's where you get, you know, you just look who looks the most interested and ask them if they will play with you, and and a lot of times they do. So, yeah, we those are those are the techniques we have used.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's cool. I love how you're smiling. You're smiling about helping clients, you're smiling, talking about stage, you're smiling, talking about it.

SPEAKER_02

This is the coolest. I mean, I'm sure you agree. This is the coolest thing in the world. There's yeah, there's nothing. I always tell the students I say, you you forget about this, but you are the coolest person in any room that you walk into. And when there's nothing cooler than a hypnotist, it's unless unless you're you're Johnny Kim. You know about Johnny Kim? No.

SPEAKER_00

It's Johnny Kim.

SPEAKER_02

Johnny Kim is a um a physician, he's a pilot, he is uh an astronaut, and he's also a Navy SEAL.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, Johnny Kim's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02

Johnny Kim, yeah, he's uh I think he's I think he uh Korean American. He's all those four things. Damn. I mean, geez, Johnny, leave a little for the rest of us, you know. I know. So if if you walk into a room and Johnny Kim's there, then you should turn around and go into another room. But if Johnny Kim isn't there, you are the most interesting person in any room that you enter. And because there's nothing cooler than a hypnotist, there's nothing cooler than hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00

And that gives a lot of confidence too. Like when you know that you're the coolest man besides Johnny Kim. Yeah, like you're just gonna go in there and be like, hey, who wants to see some cool stuff? I love how you called it play. Like, who's gonna play? Who's gonna have some fun with me?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. One one more thing. Um, this is uh another tip. When you go to that party, you walk in that room, you don't you don't tell him you're a hypnotist. You get one of your friends to say, hey, don't don't look into Ryan's eyes. Yeah, why would I not look into Ryan's eyes? Because he's a hypnotist. Oh, really? That's great.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I have a couple coworkers like that. You know, like they're like, oh man, you do voodoo or something, you can read my mind, you know, because I'll do some mentalism tricks and I'll talk about my stage hypnosis and like oh and then it's the nice thing too is on the other side, because of that fun, on the nice side too, they're like, for instance, uh, and when I do street, I do the the business card stick where you get the your business card stuck in their fingers, and there's that subliminal, like, oh, there's a show coming up on there, your business cards are staring at that, and then I leave them with this. I'm like, if your mind could get your finger stuck, what can your mind get unstuck now? And then it's such a cool moment every time when people their face just lights up. It's like, wow, my mind can get my finger stuck. What can it get unstuck now? Yeah, it's such a cool moment. Always I I get chills thinking about it now because just like that people have that self-realization within just a minute or two. Just a minute or two, and they're like, wow, this was my highlight of the day. So what's next? So you're doing these shows in the communities, uh you're still teaching at Elman. Like, do you have anything else coming up?

SPEAKER_02

Well, let's see, I'm teaching tomorrow and the next day. I'm teaching uh a no-nonsense hypnosis class. It's kind of a new format where I only have 10 students, so it's it's it's you know, it's it's just more fun for me. So um so I'm probably gonna be doing more classes with with just 10 students because that works really nicely. My my German classes are always big, and I'll have 50 in the class, and and that's hard.

SPEAKER_00

Um what is it about Europe and and it seems like America is not as I always thought that England and Germany were more stiff, but it seems like they're more into this hypnosis stuff than we are.

SPEAKER_02

I think it it it may it may be just the uh the fact that the promoter is just really, really good and has a great reputation, and it it might be down to that. Um but yeah, I mean it's it's certainly it's certainly popular in Europe. Um but but yeah, so so so yeah, so I'll continue to do classes and doing these uh uh doing regular shows and also doing the benefit shows. And um what else? And hitting all the conferences. I love going to hypnosis conferences.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. We got Hitting the Thoughts Live coming up. We got the Irish one coming up. Irish in April.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, I'm I'll be there. Great, yeah, awesome. I'm gonna teach a class in Armenia the week before, and then uh then I'm gonna go to the Irish conference.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's pretty cool. You could be in Armenia.

SPEAKER_02

Well, uh, you know, it's it's another flag, right? I collect flags every time I teach in a country. That's another cool thing where you might have here we go. Look at this. See? Oh that's that's the Armenian flag. So so after I uh after I teach there, then I can put this in my display.

SPEAKER_00

Again, that smile comes back. That's another cool thing. You're you're a cool guy that's been around the world, you've taught around the world and performed around the world and lectured around the world. So that's that is so now I know not to walk into a room with Johnny Kim or Sean Michael Anders. Yeah, so I just have to find my link in the room.

SPEAKER_02

You're just as cool as I am. But Johnny Kim, no, you can't.

SPEAKER_00

That's fair. Thank you so much for being here. We'll have all the links, yeah, to the to your website and and your any other profiles will have a description below. And before we let you go, sir, what is one thing that might come to your mind, just not to overthink it, but when I ask, what's one thing you might want to share with the whole world that may be listening in this moment? No pressure, no pressure, no pressure.

SPEAKER_02

Gee, I I d I don't know. I just I I think that you're as a hypnotist it's it's doing hypnosis is the coolest thing ever. And um and then um entertaining people with hypnosis and helping people heal themselves with hypnosis is um is a pretty valuable thing uh to do on this earth. And uh so yeah. That's I would I that's perfect. I wanted to give you something pithy, but I can't come up with any right.

SPEAKER_00

That is that's beautiful. That's beautiful. It it my heart was touched by hearing it, and I could see more people will be inspired by your legacy and hearing this conversation and getting into hypnosis and helping other people, even entertaining is helping because like laughter is a proven medicine, the science is there, like the entertainment, the play, the fun, being cool. People are being people are being healed, and I think that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02

It it is. Thank you very much for having me on. Thank you.