Melissa Boher Jacobson: Neurodiversity, Unshakable Self-Esteem, and the WIN Method

In this episode of AWAKEN, Ryan sits down with Melissa Boher Jacobson — hypnotherapist, coach, Bunny Talk certified trainer, and four-time presenter at HypnoThoughts Live — for a warm, practical, and genuinely useful conversation about what it takes to help people get out of their own way. Melissa joins from Mexico, where she now lives, and where she says the culture of open creativity and celebration is one of the reasons she stayed.

Melissa spent over 25 years coaching performing artists before stumbling into hypnosis — skeptically, she'll tell you — and having a moment with a balloon and a bucket that changed everything. She became a devotee almost immediately. Since starting her practice in 2018, she's built a specialty working with families, kids, teens, and neurodiverse clients, and she's quick to reframe the whole conversation: ADHD and autism aren't deficits. They're different brains with different gifts — and often, extraordinary ones.

In this conversation, Melissa and Ryan dig into why 85% of humans struggle with self-esteem, why narcissism is actually rooted in low self-worth, why neurodivergent people are disproportionately drawn to the arts and entrepreneurship (oasis of competence, she calls it), and why fear isn't a useful tool for anyone running a business or a life. The antidote, she argues, isn't confidence — it's trust. Specifically, self-trust. And she has a whole ladder for that.

She shares two client stories that stop you in your tracks: a young man who was never expected to live independently and is now applying for scholarships and heading to college, and a 7th grader with crippling social anxiety and a mathematical genius-level mind who eventually flew to South Korea at 14 to speak at an aerospace conference — and who just messaged Melissa recently to say she's finally enjoying singing. Then, as a closing gift, Melissa walks Ryan through the WIN method live on air — What's Important Now — and dissolves his overwhelm in about four minutes flat.

This one is practical, warm, and quietly profound. Come with your to-do list.

Three quotes from Melissa worth writing down:

"Failure is definitely an option as an entrepreneur. Lots of it. But here's what is not an option — and that is fear."

"85% of humans have low self-esteem. And pretty much every single client I work with has some level of I'm not enough, or I'm not worthy."

"We're born with self-esteem. It's a human right to feel good about yourself. So let's restore it."

Connect with Melissa Boher Jacobson: Website: melissaboherjacobson.com Skool community (Self-Hypnosis for Success): skool.com/exceptional-you-8143 Facebook group: Change Work for Therapists and Coaches Melissa presents at HypnoThoughts Live in July — her talk is titled The Intersection of ADHD, Hypnotherapy, and Executive Function

Connect with Ryan DeJonghe / TranceWell: Website: trancewell.help Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Hello everyone. I am so glad you're here. I actually just got chills just in the process of welcoming you. So thank you for listening. You're surprising me how much how many people are tuning in. So I'm so happy you're here. And because of you, the listener, the watcher, the viewer, because of you, more and more people are coming on here. And now we have a very special guest with us. Welcome, Melissa Bower Jackson. Uh Jacobson.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

That's okay, I'll answer almost anything.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

I was still a little jet lagged here, but yeah. Oh no problem. Yeah, welcome for being here. I I really do appreciate it. And I hear you're presenting at Hypnoths Live, the largest hypnosis conference in the world.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

That is right. I am one of the presenters. This is actually my fourth year, and I love to speak at Hypnoths because I really take very seriously that when I'm speaking at Hypnothots, people are going to leave there with something that they can use in their practice right away. And um that's what happened last year. It was just like rock solid. I think I had an hour last year, and it was just like rock solid. Here, do this, do this, do this, do this. And that's that's really uh what Hypnoths is all about is really learning things that you can take away that are of value that you can put right to work in your process.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Yeah, and before we're on the before we hit record here, we're talking about a little gift for you viewers and listeners at the end that Melissa will be doing uh that you could take away and use right away. It's to how to help with some overwhelm. And I know I need it, I need all the help I can get. So, how did you get started? I want to talk about your presentation that you'll be doing. I'm just wondering, how did you get started in all this hypnosis stuff?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Well, that's pretty, that's a really pretty funny story. Um, you know, of course, there are no accidents. We know there are no accidents or no coincidences in life, but um I've been coaching for over 25 years, and my background is in just kind of a varied background, like so many of us. And I was for many, many, many years mainly coaching on um, I was coaching performing artists, and there was something that was emerging, a pattern was emerging, where my clients would leave transformed and they would be more confident. Everybody would walk in one way and they walk out another way, and I was like, hmm, there's something here that is important that needs to be uh available to people outside of the performing arts world. That you know, it needs to be confidence and self-esteem are so important. So um I started to kind of explore, you know, what I could do to bring this, whatever this magic was that I was doing to the rest of the world. I happened, uh, I was following um somebody who is a hypnotist. I did not realize I has I love having skeptical clients because I was the most skeptical and ignorant about hypnosis that anybody could be. And I signed up for this training and I was like, what is this?

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Well, very soon I realized the power when I did the balloon in the bucket, and I was like, I can't put my arm down. And I started to realize that this was um I became a devotee very quickly, and then uh just developed, you know, just went through all the certifications and um started my practice in 2018. And um, you know, of course, like many of us, I work with all kinds of people. I do niche with families, uh, kids, teens. Um, and I love working with families because um, well, for many reasons, but um it's just kind of the gift that keeps on giving. And it's just so wonderful to change a family's future and to just go through each member of that family one by one and just get everything in that family really working um in a way that is um, you know, functional. They're functioning well and then bringing that joy and the communication back into those families. I have along that way, I've I've been working with some of my neurodiverse clients because I work with families, I kind of grow with families, I have clients I've been working with for 10 years. And I have one that's graduating from high school that is um what I call twice exceptional. And he's I've along the journey helped him. He's now going to college. Um, he's graduating from high school. We just talked about how to apply for a job, he applied for all these scholarships. Like, I just believe, and I've always believed, that there's nothing children cannot do if we teach them. And that's kind of how I fell in love with working with neurodiverse uh clients. And um, so many of the people that I've worked with in the performing arts world have ADHD as well. This kind of goes with the territory.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

That's that's interesting, yeah. And you were dipping into your I want to talk about your hypnothos presentation coming up. You're kind of dipping into that here. That's interesting you just said that because I just tried out for fun for Mamma Mia, and it seems like everyone along with me was trying out was neurodivergent. I was like, oh, that's interesting. So what do you what do you suppose is there? That that do we like entertaining? You know, I'll I'll label myself as neurodivergent, even though I don't have a you know, I just feel like I want to belong because, like you said, it's twice exceptional, it's a superpower almost. So I'm like, well, if it's superpower, I want it. So there I am with the auditioning people. So what is it? Like, is it the entertaining aspect?

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Is it is the superpower of, you know, it's ADHD autism, these are not deficits, they're differences. And as I said in our pre-talk, if you will, before we started, that um neurodivergent people have all these superpowers. They have um, they have a kind of a different brain structure, if you will, they have a different kind of a nervous system. There's more and more research on, you know, what what is the neurological basis for these differences. But to me, it doesn't matter because I want to empower people to embrace and harness their superpowers, and I want to minimize the parts of being a superhero that can be difficult, you know. Um, the reason that many people in the creative arts uh it's it is um people who are neurodiverse tend to be highly creative. I am myself neurodiverse, I have ADHD as well. Um, I'm a typical kind of gregarious, outgoing, friendly um person with just they tend to be super, super creative. They constantly have ideas, they have this stream of ideas constantly, constantly, constantly. They get bored easily. So um I think that they're the the very common um for ADHD people to have really good personalities and to be very, very creative. And so they're very attracted to the you know the um excitement of the arts. It's always changing, it's never boring, and it's super, super creative and energetic, and um it's just it's just kind of fits with that personality, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Although personality is something that we know is changeable, it's not you're stuck with your whole life, but you know, see it's these traits that people have, and also I think one of the reasons that people who are neurodiverse are attracted to things like theater and the arts is because it's a it's I would call an oasis of competence. They feel safe there, they're accepted. Um, everybody's waving their freak flag, you know. Yeah, it's very accepting.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Yeah, very accepting. Like even the people that would get up on stage and they're in this audition, there's people that would sing off key, and and everyone in the audience was like, Yay, you're so great. You know, it's like very welcoming, no matter like if you're you know, it could be LGBTQI community, it could be just you know, a cis straight guy like me, and it's just like everyone's just like you're now part of the family. It's just something yeah, it's really cool.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Very accepting place, and your gifts in the let's say quote, neurotypical world, because there really is no such thing. And in my talk, in my talk in Hypnoths, I I have this whole chart where I, you know, I list all the different kinds of people that are neurodiverse, and included in that list is entrepreneurs and entrepreneurship people with ADHD and neurodiversity are very attracted to entrepreneurship too. So, you know, it's a it's a huge, wonderful spectrum. But I think that one of the things that attracts people is that in that world, you're allowed to shine. And it you're celebrated for shining. Whereas in the quote, again, neurotypical world, sometimes you know, you're labeled, you're weird, you're annoying.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Um you have to be conforming. You have to stay in this box and be just like everyone else and file in line. And okay, so we talked, we hinted about the talk. What's the title of your talk?

SPEAKER_00 10:15

So um the title of my talk, I have to uh I have to read it because it's long.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

People with ADHD sometimes have trouble remembering, and that's another talk that I do, but um, it's the called the intersection of ADHD, hypnotherapy and executive function. And that's a really good mixture because um, along with ADHD, you know, people complain about I can't stay organized, I can't finish things, I get excited, and then I get bored, uh, I get I lose things all the time. Um, I I filled, I did my assignment, but I forgot to hand it in. It stayed in the bottom of my backpack when it comes to you know kids and college students, yeah. Things like that. And these are all so executive function, people with neurodiversity often struggle with these executive function skills. They're not innate for everyone, but they like anything else, our brains are plastic. We have neuroplasticity, and so we can develop and we can learn really any skill given enough uh repetition and consistency over time, and then we can speed up that whole process of learning these executive functional skills by getting under the hood on the unconscious level and embedding those habits uh with hypnosis, and we can speed up. And in the process, we can, and this is really I think my I really think that my biggest mission in the in life is always been self-esteem. And so when people and every kind of training that I do, every time I work with clients, whether they're adults or kids, I'm always giving them like a step-by-step. And I'm gonna share a step-by-step today as my gift. When people know that they know what they're doing, they feel more confident. And confidence and self-esteem are different, they're not the same thing. But one when we're more when we have more self-esteem, we can feel more confident. When we have more confidence in our abilities and our knowledge, then we can start to build that unshakable self-esteem. And when we have unshakable self-esteem, we have much less anxiety. When we have much less anxiety, we have much less stress. When we have much less stress, we have much less cortisol going into the brain. We have much less overwhelm and we have much more clarity.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

That's uh that's beautiful. I just love that whole circle. Like you're like you're feeding itself and and building a stronger and stronger human being.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

That's right. And then we have more success because we're not floating in this sort of uh cesspool of you know, all the different kinds of fear and anxiety. I mean, it's all fear. And fear triggers all those stress hormones, and that's why you know that causes so much of the problems. And by the way, I don't know how many people, I'm just kind of going back to the self-esteem thing for a moment because it really does cause so many problems. It's kind of the like the the root of everything that I do. Do you know, Ryan, the statistics are um 85% of humans have low self-esteem?

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Wow. What 85%? Yeah, I'm writing it down because when you said it was like you're calling, I wrote it down, I put two underlines that's self-esteem, and now 85% have low. What did what does that mean? How do they measure if you have low self-esteem?

SPEAKER_00 14:11

I don't know, I don't know how that statistic is measured, but I do know that I mean, just empirically speaking, you know, anecdotally, I mean pretty much every single client that I work with, there's some level of I'm not enough or I'm not worthy.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yeah, yeah. And it comes out in different ways. The way I see it in some of my clients is not loving yourself fully. You know, that's one way that low self-esteem might manifest. Like if I only love myself more, I'd have more self-esteem. Another way is that imposter syndrome. Yes. Like I'm not good enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy. Uh I've got imposter syndrome, um, I'm not lovable. You know, and the this is a huge, like if you think about what this causes, all these things, and narcissism uh is caused by low self-esteem.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

That's interesting. When narcissism, so so is that just like a mask people wear? Because it seems like they're full of themselves, and yet they have low self-esteem on the inside.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

Well, the narcissism is um is not a mask, it is um it's subprotector that they develop. It's almost like a psychosis that people develop as a protection from you know not feeling good enough. So it's a system that people develop and it's a really powerful system. It's not really one that I don't work with narcissists, so I'm not an expert on that. I guess it's possible that that could be overcome. I haven't found a way to do it. I I work with a lot of people who I've worked with many, many people who um to extricate, help them extricate or recover from narcissistic abusive relationships. But the point is that low self-esteem is at the root of pretty much every bad thing that humans do to each other. They're defensive, they cause wars, they attack each other. You know, when people have really unshakable self-esteem, they're better to each other. Bullying, bullying is low self-esteem.

unknown 16:46

No.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

That's interesting because there's that Bible verse and the golden rule. It's not just in the Bible of love your love others as you love yourself. And until you love yourself and have your own self-esteem, then you can provide that to others and be like, I know I'm worthy, and so are you.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

But that is so difficult for people to get to spell. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Well, you said 85%, so that means only 15% in the world are like groovy, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Right. So we can, and especially, and I don't know the statistics on neurodiversity, because that's really hard to measure. Because neurodiversity, I think differently, therefore I'm neurodiverse, but we do know that there are many people that go misdiagnosed or undiagnosed, and we also know that there are many people who are diagnosed, and most, if not all, of neurodiverse people will struggle with self-esteem because they're different. And so, again, when we can integrate skills, mindset, um help them with strategies that then they can embed as habits by embedding them you know subconsciously or unconsciously, however you want to say that, yeah, then we can really make a difference and have a ripple effect on the entire world.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

That that sounds amazing. And I and I don't I don't want to jump the gun here because we talked about the hypnotic gift at the end where we'll talk about the steps and some of that that will help. And of course, your talk at Hitner Thoughts. I want to rewind just a bit if we can and talk about you mentioned this whole map of neurodiverse and ADHD and ADD, and then you talk about entrepreneurs. So we create all these things, like, oh, a new idea, new idea, new idea. How do we stick to it? Like entrepreneurship, you would think, okay, I start a business, that's a pretty major thing. How do we stick to it if we're always creating new things? Cool. So we'll get to that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

A lot of the um, and I do have a program, like all entrepreneurs, you know, I have multiple, I have all these programs too, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

So I I have a program that is for um entrepreneurs. I haven't done it in a while, but it was a group program, amazingly successful for the people who participated, and many of them are still my clients, one-on-one. And it was called Success Block SmackDown. And it was all about all those things: imposter syndrome, and you know, the strategy that I'm gonna share with you is was one of the many things that was included in that program. And I will say one more thing that just uh not I do have a strategy for this, but I'll just say one of the most important things for entrepreneurs to, especially neurodivorced ones, uh, is to have to embed to have and to embed a sense of self-trust and a sense of emotional equilibrium. Because again, when you are overwhelmed, you're not thinking straight. Your emotions are, you know, your brain, the blood is going to the part of your brain that does emotions and not the part of your brain that does strategy and thinking clearly, and you know, okay, here's my to-do list for the day. It's in more of an anxiety, sort of panic state. And so there's so many valuable tools and techniques for entrepreneurs. Um, and it's so important for entrepreneur, entrepreneurs, many of whom, you know, are you're you're pretty much neurodiverse if you're an entrepreneur. That's a part of the spectrum. But many of them know that they have ADHD or they've been diagnosed in some way, and it's so important for there's so many skills that you need to have that are emotional skills, um, that are emotional regulation skills. There's so much emotional intelligence that is required because you have to have emotional equilibrium and intelligence with yourself, and you also have to have that with your clients, your customers, all the people on your team, you know, all of the people that you interact with as a business owner, you have to have this balance emotionally so that you're not reacting, you're able to respond and not react to whatever's going on. And it, you know, and of course, there Is for entrepreneurs, there's this roller coaster ride that goes on.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah, the the the entrepreneur within me, you talk about they're reacting. I'm reacting to that word balance. I'm like, uh, balance.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yeah, it's really, really crucial because we really cannot fear, you know, you've heard the saying failure is not an option, right? Failure is definitely an option as an entrepreneur. Lots of it. It's very, it's not only not only is it not it's failure is crucial, failure is part of it, it's totally an option. It's a necessity. But here's what is not an option when you're an entrepreneur, and that is fear. Fear is not an option. Because fear gets you stuck in some of these pitfalls. So what can we have instead of fear?

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah, so fear is not an option. So then what's what is the option if we don't have fear?

SPEAKER_00 23:07

You tell me.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Well, the word that popped up in my head is love.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

Love, like just self-trust. Love, I think, but it's like the passion of the game. Like you you might have what's called a failure, and we could say, okay, we can learn from it because we love the experience of doing it.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

I'm gonna answer the question because I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm treating you a little bit like I do a client because I'm a coach and a hypnotist. And so we're always asking questions, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

So the answer, uh so, so then I'm it's like, well, I'll give you the answer.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

The the antidote to fear in your life and your business, and if you're an entrepreneur, that's the same thing, and that is trust.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Trust in what?

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Fear yourself. Okay, now I'm gonna have to give you another strategy.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Okay, yeah. Yeah, this is great. Lots of gifts.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Yes. So this is what I call the trust ladder. Yes. The truss ladder. I probably have a copy of it somewhere. I could do it. I could do it on a whiteboard if you want. Do that.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Yeah, and I'll do my best to describe it, or you could describe it for those that are listening.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah, so the truss ladder. I'm gonna I'm gonna map it up for you.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

And as you're drawing, I like how you call it a ladder because yeah, well, you'll explain it. It's like you start just on the very first step and you just keep going up.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

And you can kind of see that you're starting to see a little bit my step by step. A ladder is a step-by-step, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Yeah. So so for some of us who just want to jump to the top rung, like woo, but yeah, right. Ignoring ignoring the first rung.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

And yes, uh uh us neurodiverse people, we do like to try to do everything at once, and we try to get there fast because we don't want to miss out on anything.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Right, there's something else. We do something repetitive, do that ladder and we might miss out on something.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Always do this one. Okay, hopefully you can see this. So at the bottom of the ladder is our, hopefully you can see this. We could call this instinct. Just spell that right. Instinct or gut. Okay, or intuition. And for those of you who have done hypnosis frequently or at all, you will notice that your intuition grows because intuition lives in the unconscious mind. So you poke that bear and it starts to grow. Okay. So when we trust our gut, then we can trust our this pen is not great, but can you read that?

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Yeah, self. So the gut is on the first strong, you trust your instincts, and then the next part is you begin to trust yourself.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

And if you can trust yourself, then you can trust yourself to go on the right path. Right path. You can trust your path, whatever that is. It's not really a right or wrong. Okay. So if I trust my gut, then I can trust myself, then I can trust my path. And the path unfolds for us. But when we're stuck in fear, we can't see the path. Because our mind, our brain is so clogged with cortisol, all we can see is fog. And if all else fails, well, we we've got one more rung here, and that we can call this whatever we want. Whatever that is for you, the higher power. We can trust that. Because that, after all, this is connected here, isn't it? One way or another.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Yeah, drawing the arrow from the higher power to the gut and the gut to the higher power.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

It goes both ways, doesn't it? They're all connected. But when you start to employ and to embed self-trust, your brain starts to work really well. And I will tell you a story. Um, when I I'm a mom of two boys, they're grown, uh, you know, and I used to have events, dinner parties, whatever. And as somebody with people who are listening who have ADHD might relate to this, it would be so overwhelming for me. Um it would take me two days at least. And if I didn't clean the first day and then prep the second day, I would be just, I wouldn't enjoy anything about it because I'd be so stressed out and overwhelmed. After I learned to trust myself, after I became a hypnotist, and I learned that now I can do a dinner party, or like in a couple hours, I'm ready. Because I just have so much more bandwidth without the stress. And people with ADHD understand what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Yeah, I I feel it. I feel it. Yeah, like I'm I want to be more like my neighbors. They sometimes just it'll be Saturday night and they'll be like, hey, you want to come over? And we have, you know, it's just some leftover food, and you can share our leftovers. I'm like, that stresses me out to like I want to I want to only planning.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

So that's an executive function thing. And when a lot of the executive function, planning, executing, all those things, it's like a vicious circle because when you don't have those skills, then you're stressed. And you kind of get in that hopeless, helpless loop. And this, you know, it's it's it's exacerbated by the stress. So when you have trust, you embed that trust. That's going to make so much more uh available to you. And then you can start to really learn these executive function skills. You can start to learn this emotional intelligence. You can you can your brain starts to work better.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah, yeah. Your brain and body connection and you talk about the higher power, you just feel more connected to everything. Right. When you're you're work going up and down that ladder just feels effortless almost.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

And it's really important too, from a health standpoint, because when you have this kind of hopeless, helpless stress loop, then you start to get like that um, what is that cortisol static, allostatic stress flow?

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

And you get this just constant cortisol, and it has a huge effect, makes everything worse. You know, it's what keeps people from being able to sleep. It makes people um ADHD worse. It makes uh people, you know, you have that allostatic stress over years and years and years, you know, it's gonna cause damage to you physically, emotionally, so fear, we don't need, we don't really need fear because we have an amygdala. And if we're ever in danger, it's gonna jump us out of the way.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Or it's gonna run us away, or you know, and we have so much, we're run so much by fear. And so when we can replace that with trust, we are going to really have some major changes.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Now you mentioned, I want to kind of flip the script. You're talking about how to get out of it and trust ourselves. So the person, so we as pre practitioners, the people that are in fear and you call it a fog, and it's hard to see, it's hard to live really in this fog. How do we reach them so that way they can be helped?

SPEAKER_00 31:59

So we're talking about how do we connect with our clients who are in that fear?

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Well, how do we so like walk down the street? There's lots of people all around us in this fog, and they're not our clients yet. So, how can we like throw them a lifeline and say there is help available if not through us, then like if not through me, then you or another one of our peers that can help them? How do we show them there is help and they don't have to be stuck in this fog?

SPEAKER_00 32:30

That is a huge question. It's a whole other podcast. But a whole nother hit of thoughts, but I will say, I will say, and yes, there are a lot of people that you know are experts on marketing. Um, but I don't think that's a marketing question. That's more of like uh how can I how can I reach people that need help?

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

And my answer to that would be something that people with ADHD are often not because I want to I want to make sure that people know that I know that there's not one, you know, everybody's unique. A lot, there's a lot of ADHD people in theater and the arts, but they're all different, you know, we're all different, we're all unique. And same with people on the spectrum. There's no way to be on the spectrum or to be ADHD. But I will say that if you are a person who has mastered this self-trust, then you can trust yourself to know what to do and say in any end of all circumstances, and you can go and talk to that person, and you can trust yourself to know what to say.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

That that's beautiful. That's a great answer. Yeah. It's funny because early on in my career, I was we talk about marketing, and it's it's weird with this change work and hypnosis and client work because it's it feels a little different than traditional business marketing because it's caring. And and so at first I was like, you know what, I see you need help. I'll help you for free. And then they're like, oh no, there what's the catch, you know, like I was just being too gung-ho about it, and people were being like their anxieties were pushing away. And once I began to start, yeah. Once I started trusting myself, then people started trusting me.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Trust is another one of those things like self-esteem that has been so eroded. And it it you know, it overlaps with self-esteem a lot. But trust is a major theme of all of the work that I do with all the different kinds of clients that I see. Um but it starts with self-trust. Because when, think about it, when you can start to trust yourself, you can trust your instinct. When you come across something or someone and you do a gut check to see, and you teach people to do gut checks, you teach them how to use that, then we can start to build back some of the the trust that has been broken, and there's a lot of deliberate um attempts to break people's trust in each other. And the truth is know, and you know, you know in your relationship, uh a relationship without trust cannot exist. A community with trust cannot exist. Um a species without trust cannot exist. Trust is elemental to survival of anything, whether it's a relationship, a community, a family.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

I could tell you so many stories about my mind perked up when you're talking elemental, and it almost sounds like it's like alchemy, you know, like you're you're putting in a little bit of trust, you're putting a little love, you're putting in, you know, and it's like creating this beautiful product. And I want to go back to you're talking about dealing with the subconscious or the unconscious. So what's your process in working with a client? Do you just like crack open their head and get in there with your wrench and your computer code?

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Well, I I must say that um I think a good change worker has a lot of tools in their toolbox. And when I first began my journey as a change worker, I had one tool and I quickly realized like I need more tools. I need a whole toolbox.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

And so um I the first thing that I do with a client, of course, is rapport. Gotta build that, you know, that and that's and that's trust, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

You've got to get that trust, gotta get that rapport. So that's the first thing. I mean, I always have a plan for clients, and then I never stick to it.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

I laugh because it resonates. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

I would say that the way that I work with clients is I trust myself to know what they need and to meet them where they're at. And I just, you know, I keep grabbing tools out of that toolbox. And I have one of my favorite tools. Um, of course, I use a lot of NLP. Um, I use something called the Bunny Talk process, which I interviewed Claudia. Yeah. I'm Claudia chose me uh as to be a trainer of the bunny talk.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Um, so I I train people in that because I really love that tool.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

Now, speaking of you being a trainer, I'm I'm looking at your information here. We'll put details, we'll put the website into this description stuff. So if they don't catch you at hypnothops, which I should.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

They better you better show up and fill up that room, guys.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

So you're also, aside from seeing clients, you're also seeing the change workers and teaching them processes and giving them tools. Right. So if someone wants the bunny talk tool, they can come see you, or if they want another tool, or you can help them with that as well.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Right. And I train in the bunny talk, but I also train now. When I'm training the bunny talk, I'm training Claudia's, you know, protocol is we want to make sure we train people in her protocol so we don't sully it with other things. Um, however, I do train other um change workers in this uh separately in working with you know, using some of the tools that I've developed, like the trust ladder, have many other tools as well that um that I use with my clients that are struggling and don't want to be struggling, like to embrace their neurodiversity and maximize the benefits of being neurodiverse. And you know, I have so many wonderful success stories around that.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Um I want to I don't I want to talk about those stories. You do. Yeah, I absolutely well, some of the ones that just pop up, usually the ones that come to mind first are good ones to go with. And before we get there, I'm wondering what was the big aha moment for you when you're like, oh, this really works? Because you talked about being a skeptic at first, and those I love those types of stories because you're like, ah, this is just rubbish, this is just woo-woo, you know, and then all of a sudden you're like, wait a second, if it's it, if it's fake, then why is it working? You know, so what was that big moment that opened the box for you? You're like, ah, this is this is real.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

I I go back to that moment when I was just I was just in this training and I was just going along because I paid for it.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

And that moment when it was a student that I was partnered with. I mean, I know it sounds silly, and you know, any like hypnotist is like, oh, that's like basic. But that balloon, you know, the balloon in the bucket, right? That was it for me. I was like, I can't put my arm down, but there's no balloon.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Yeah, it's just floating up there.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

I just I was like, and I and the whole time that and it's very memorable, right? I remember it so vividly. And the whole time I was like so many of my clients that don't, you know, they're not they don't know. I was I was I had no knowledge of what this was. And I was that person that was like, I can't be hypnotized. It's not working, it's not working, I can't be, you know, that whole story, so familiar to all of us. Uh I was that person. And in that moment, I'm like, okay, this is real. That that was the that was the moment where I just all my skepticism just crumbled and disintegrated, and I just started to want to devour as much as I could.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

It feels like skepticism leaves and then curiosity enters.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

You're like, well, and I must say, and I'm I'm I'm I'm probably assuming that you have had this experience too, that my best clients are the most skeptical ones.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Yeah. I have so many, so many stories about that.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

So yeah, let's dig in. What's one story that pops in your head?

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Well, the the one that popped into my head, um, speaking of my neurodiverse clients, well, first of all, um the one that I've been working with for 10 years already kind of touched on him. Um and just, you know, he he came from a family that just did not believe that he would ever be independent. And they would just do everything for him. And now he's going to college and he's, you know, he's getting scholarship. Like he's been applying for scholarships, he's applying for jobs, he's in control.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Um, another wonderful story is uh I just got a message from her last week. A young lady at the time when I started working with her, she was, I think, in seventh grade, and she was she's twice exceptional, meaning she's on the spectrum, and she's a mathematical genius. And she's um she can really do anything. Like she can just she's just way her intellect is just extraordinary. And uh she uh was in a public speaking, her parents brought her to me because she had to do this uh speech and debate. It was required, and she was just having meltdowns about it. So, to make a long story short, not only did she get over that, she went on to go to fly to South Korea to speak at an like an aerospace um conference as a as a 14-year-old. She had a presentation in Korea with confidence. Um just all of that. And and she, when I first met her, her self esteem was so low. It was almost non existent, and she had so much social anxiety and anxiety about what everybody thought about her. She was just she was just paralyzed with fear. And you know, I worked with her through all of this, all these things, and and just achieved success. And that's that's how I work with people. I just I'm so determined to get them where they want to be, and I just don't quit. I'm I like to say I'm like a dog with a bone, you know.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Um, and then uh she messaged me recently, she came back um I think earlier this year, and she's like, I I I I'm afraid I can't do it, and I'm no good, but I want to sing. So now she just messaged me, thank you so much for giving me the confidence. I'm enjoying now, I'm enjoying singing so much, and I feel so good about myself.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

So just so many different ways that we can get people unstuck. They can do anything, anybody can learn anything as long as they have step-by-step, yeah. And I another thing that I show my clients a lot is a lot of people don't understand how we learn, how the brain learns. And when people understand, oh, I just, you know, like every time I practice a skill, I'm doubling the amount of neurons in my brain. I didn't know that. Yeah, every time you're doubling it, and they're so small that you can't feel them. But if you do this skill, if you repeat it enough with enough consistency and repetition over time, eventually you're gonna have enough neurons that you're gonna feel it. But most people quit long before they get there because they don't feel any difference, or they, you know, they talk themselves out of sticking with something. And I was inspired by um there is a um executive function skills expert, uh Dr. McCloskey. And he inspired me so much. Um, telling the story of this, he's written a book, Dr. Paul McCloskey, and he's written a book, uh, many books, but he I took a training of his and he talked about this um boy who was totally nonverbal, non like a vegetable. And that he used this as an example of how anybody can learn anything. And his parents sent this boy to a school where they would just, you know, make him hold a spoon, make him hold a spoon, make him hold a spoon, make him like 40, you know, 400 times a day, make him hold a spoon, make him hold the spoon, make him and so this boy had like, you know, IQ or or or or abilities, however you would say that, uh, intellectual level of like a five-month-old or something at the beginning. And they would just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it until eventually he could feed himself. They just stuck with it, you know, they just stuck with the neurology, the repetition. They built that that neural pathway.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

And by eventually, they got him to like, um, I think he was like a fourth grade level or something like that. So, you know, we don't throw people away. Like, we can teach people.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Yeah, I I wondered in my mind, it seems like it goes faster with hypnosis to this right bypassing that critical faculty, the wondering, am I doing it right? And you're just going into that highly suggestible state.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

And, you know, sometimes people with um, and that's why we have so many tools. Sometimes people who are on the spectrum, sometimes not always, some of them like I have another story of a young lady, Olivia, who I worked with for um like a year and a half, and she was so suggestible, but she was having violent seizures. Now, I didn't cure her seizures, but we got them so manageable, and we also got her living her life because she was afraid to go out of her house because she was afraid she's gonna have a seizure. Now she's going to college, I think, for nursing.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Like I said, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

So everybody's different, and that's why you know, some people might not, they might be anxious about losing control in hypnosis, you know, they might be anxious about closing their eyes, and that's why we have conversational hypnosis and we have metaphor and we have NLP and we have Ericksonian, and we have all these tools uh at our disposal, and we can and the bunny talk, the bunny talk. Yeah, bunny talk is great for neurodiverse people.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Yeah, yeah, I love it. I wonder I had this is a two-part question. One is you talk about you write neurodiv, or I wrote down neurodiversity is twice exceptional. And then so one part is what do you mean by that? And the other part is for those that don't consider themselves neurodiverse, how can they be twice exceptional too?

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Wow. Okay. So twice exceptional is uh it's not a term that I created. Uh I co-opted that, I heard it, and I'm like, yes, that is that's perfect. Twice exceptional means people that are neurodiverse and have gifts and exceptional abilities. So, for example, Sophia, the girl with the math genius, she's on the spectrum and she's also a math genius. Okay. Um, so um very often people who are on the autism spectrum have some kind of special ability. Um, Gilod, the one that I've been working with for a long time, he is an artist and a singer and an actor. Okay. So these are his exceptional abilities. And he's now now he's um 3D model, he's doing 3D modeling. And we are um hoping that he will become an architectural designer. That's gonna be his career path. So we can incorporate a lot of these artistic abilities. So how does a person become twice exceptional? Well, yeah, I mean, everybody that's the definition that is somebody that is, you know, clinically, I guess, neurodiverse or knowingly, and they have this exceptional ability that they're aware of. So I would say uh I think really everybody has exceptional ability. And I think that one of the problems in our world, and it just also depends on cult your cultural, where you live culturally, um I think it's trusting, it goes back to the self-trust, and trusting yourself to create and trusting yourself to know where you're being pulled, trusting the path, and trusting yourself to let go of the fear and experiment with things that light you up and develop those exceptional abilities. And in so doing, whether whatever you do in life, if you develop your creativity, you develop that part of your brain, you're gonna become very exceptional. I love that creativity.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

The the image, as you're talking, the image that came to my mind is being on the beach with a metal detector and just like looking for, just being curious about oh, what comes up? You know, maybe I can be a painter, maybe I can be an architect. I don't know. Well, yeah, play with it. Yeah. And then again, building the going up to your ladder and trying it, having that self-esteem, that you know, trusting yourself, like, oh, my gut is saying maybe I should sing, you know. So let's see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

I think that talent, you know, because I I'm a cre like an artist. I started out as an artist, and so you know, people would often say to me, I'm a I'm a I'm a vocalist, I'm not a visual artist, terrible at that.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

But for now, for now, yeah, for now.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Well, I like you know, drawing silly, yeah, yeah, yeah. My clients, because it makes them laugh. But um I always tell people talent is not just in the arts, talent is talent. You could be talented, exceptional at business, you could be exceptional at accounting, you can be exceptional at fishing, you could be excess exceptional at creating crafts, you know, like talent is talent, and one's not better than the other.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

So embrace that's hard for people to hear. They're like that that word, that big C-word comparison. Like that person does this, so therefore they're better than I am. Yeah, it's like I only do paintings, and they're like, you know, Monet, you know, beautiful paintings, and they see this person over there singing, and they're like, Oh, you know, I'm no good because I only do these paintings.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Well, you know, Ryan, I think that some of that is also cultural.

SPEAKER_02 53:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

I I'm I live in Mexico. And everybody here, not everybody, making a big generalization, but many people here are very free to create.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Because that's just part of the culture, and you're celebrated for that. Whereas in some cultures you're just there's so much judgment. And I think it's it's something that we need to work on in our culture, uh, in some of our cultures that and that's one of the reasons that I changed where I live.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Yeah. And do what you do, teaching that hypnothots and teaching and helping one client at a time to get over that judgment. And I love that. Well, and and just a moment, we'll get to that gift about that uh that strategy of dealing with overwhelm. I'm wondering before we get to that, is there anything that you just want to let the whole world know in this moment? Anything that comes to mind that you just, you know, that your heart wants to tell other people's hearts that you can trust yourself, that you don't need to compare yourself to others, and that unshakable self-esteem is possible.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

And I help people with that all the time. And it doesn't matter if you're neurotypical and neurodiverse, you're a human. It doesn't matter if you're five years old, six years old, or you're 80 years old. I have clients of all ages, and they are all doing great, and that's something that everybody deserves. We're we're we're born with self-esteem. We have a right, it's a human right to feel good about yourself, and um it's makes your life better. So let's fix it, let's restore it.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

It's beautiful. And we'll be sure to include all your details in the description here. Get in touch with you, and then eventually I'll create this page for Hitler's. If you want to register for Melissa Hitten the Thoughts Live, you can go to the website and then I'll put on my website. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

I will say um I am doing a free demo for the bunny talk. Uh, it is next Sunday at 12 p.m. Eastern. It's about an hour, and I'm gonna be demoing the bunny talk. Um, and it'll touch on some of these things as well. And that's a phenomenal if if you're a change worker of any kind, whether you are a parent, you're a parent, you're a change worker too. You're a parent, you're a teacher, you're you're an LCSW, you're um, you're a counselor, you're a coach, you're a therapist, you're a psychotherapist, you're a psychologist. We're all part of this change worker ecosystem. And this tool is very malleable, very helpful for anybody that is working with change, and it is designed for children and adults. So I'll be doing a demo, wonderful demo of that next Sunday, uh 12 p.m. Eastern. Did I say that right? Yeah, 12 p.m. Yeah, 12 p.m. Eastern next Sunday. And I I'll give a I don't know if this will be published in time, but for anybody.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Yeah, and YouTube is pretty good with searching. Same with the podcast that this is on Spotify and whatnot, people find us through searching. And then so where we'd be demonstrating that on your website, YouTube?

SPEAKER_00 57:14

It's a Zoom link, and I'll I'll have a link. I'll send you a link for that. So if anybody that wants to sign up, and there's also if you're on Facebook, there um there is a an event. I'll share the link for you. It's like free live demo, bunny talk, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Yeah, I'm sure this won't be the first one. You'll have some more down the road.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

It is the first, but it won't be the first one. I mean, not the last one.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Not the last one. Yeah, not the last one. Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

All right, and again, thank you for being here. And let's talk about like the strategy for overwhelm. Like, I'm looking at my list that I had to do today. I'm like, overwhelm. And then of course, you know, like all these things in the back of my head are like saying, Oh, you gotta do more, Ryan, you gotta do more. And meanwhile, another part of me is like, okay, I want to go meditate and I'm gonna go play guitar. This is for Ryan, yes, for Ryan.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

And Ryan and everybody else at everyone.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

And all of Ryan's friends listening and watching now, and all Melissa's new friends.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

Yes. So um, this is something that I'm gonna teach you. Let's see, can we see this? This pen's not great either.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

Yeah, it says when at the top strategy. All right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

So when stands for. That's an acronym. For what's important now. So, Ryan, I'd like you to look at that list. See, I have terrible handwriting and terrible drawing, but I'm good at what I do. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Yeah, I love acronyms too. When what's important now?

SPEAKER_00 58:56

Hold on one second. Can you pause for a second?

SPEAKER_02 58:58

Yeah. Alan, go!

SPEAKER_00 59:02

So, Ryan, I want you to take a look with me. Well, not with me, but you can take a look at your list, and I want you to look at your list, go down that list, and I want you to pick out the three things on that list that are most important right now.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

All right. I I got it. You only say it out loud? It's up to you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I gotta I gotta take care of my car. It's dragging the chunk of metal that fell off. So I figured sounds like it's important now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:30

What else is on your list?

SPEAKER_02 59:32

Meditate, you know. I think that's important.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Okay, and one more.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

Pay taxes. I think that's at the bottom of the list. So I later cars, the car meditate. Yeah, and practice my guitar.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

Taxes.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

Okay. So of these three, which one is the most important right now?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Oh, well, right now the most important is being with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Okay, but that's gonna after you're with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

After that is meditation.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

Meditation is the most important. And how long will that take you?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

At least a half hour.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

So 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

Okay. So that's what's important now, number one. So that's what you're gonna do first. What about your car? How long is that gonna take you? Or what's the next most important?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

Hour and a half, the car. It'll be an hour and a half, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Of car and taxes, which is more important right now?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

Car, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

1.5 hours. And taxes, how long will that take you? So that's two.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

Yeah, taxes, I think, takes five minutes at the most. It'll probably take me two hours to actually log in and get myself to do it. I'll fight myself.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

So uh so just doing the taxes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

Five minutes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Five minutes. Okay. So you've got the rest of your day, and you need a total of two hours and five minutes to get this.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Okay, so what you're gonna do now is we're gonna keep this list. Here, let me um we'll erase this part up here. So you're gonna keep that list, but you're gonna keep it hidden. And you're only going to focus on number one for 20 minutes until it's done. And you're not gonna think about anything else until that's done. How does that feel to you?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:43

Great.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

Where's the overwhelm in that?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

The overwhelm kind of like disappeared a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

So you all you have to do is meditate for 20 minutes. Now, what we've done here is we've containerized the amount of time that we use something called the Parkinson's Law. Parkinson was a I think it was a ship captain, and he, if I get this story right, he noticed that his crew when he would say swab the deck, and they would take like all day to swap.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

And they say, You have 20 minutes to swab the deck, and they'd get it done in 15 because their brain, their unconscious mind, had a picture of some kind of a container of time. Okay, so we need to give our brain time pictures.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

So for 20 minutes, and what time are you gonna do that? When are you gonna do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

Right after.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Right. Then you're gonna take a break. Then you're gonna look back at this list. This one will be gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

From it. And then you're going to this will be done. And then you're gonna go do your car for an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna drag the piece of metal to the shop.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

And you'll focus your attention only, all of your attention only on that task until it's done. You'll narrow down and focus your attention only on that task. That's all you have to think about is getting that car done. You don't have to think about anything else. Just getting that car done is your job. Until it's done.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

Where's the overwhelm in that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:17

Yeah, just yeah, less. A lot less.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Right. And then when that's done, that's gone. That's gone. All that will be left is this for five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

And then focus all your attention only on that task until it's done. And then you will be done. Done. Also known as free. To do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

Sweet.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

Okay. Now, if you have more things on your list, you just do another set of three. But you start with what's important now. Now look at the list. The whole list. The big list. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Uh feel good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:04

When you look at the whole list, does it feel good or overwhelming to look at the whole thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

Choosing between those words, I would say good.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

Okay. So when you choose what's important now, and you focus on one thing until it's finished. We can get in this habit. And this is an executive function skill around planning.

unknown 1:04:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

And imagine if we embedded that. In your case, we probably already did, because you're also a hypnotist and you know you take a lot of suggestions, and I gave you one, so you're done.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

Yeah. And for those listening and watching, they can they can embed this.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:50

Well, this has been great.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

I hope this has been enlightening and helpful, inspiring.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:59

I've enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:01

I appreciate you being here. And I'm looking forward to meeting you in person at Hitner Thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:05

Yay. You'll definitely be at my talk.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:09

Yeah. Well, I'm volunteering.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

And bring all your friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

Yeah, I'm the uh I'm the apprentice janitor this year. So I may be in the hallway vacuuming or taking out the trash. I don't know what Scott's gonna have me do. So Scott, yeah, Scott has a CEO janitor title. And I was like, I don't want the CEO title. I I'll let you tab that and I'll I'll slowly take the janitor title from him.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:34

Well, I'll maybe I can ask him or Stephanie to make sure you're you're assisting in my room. Please bring all your friends. And please, um, for anybody that's interested in this fabulous, fabulous tool called the Bunny Talk, please uh join my Facebook group. I have um change work, um, what is it called? Change change work for therapy. And coaches and Facebook group. I also have a school group. It's called Self-Hypnosis for Success.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

Nice. Is that on your oh yeah? I see the school. I'm on your Facebook page. So I'll be sure to include those links in the description for everyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

All right. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Thank you, Ryan. It was so fun to meet you. I'm glad. I'm glad that I'll connect with you. I'll look forward to seeing you in Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:27

Yeah. We'll have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Enjoy the rest of your day.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

Thanks. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:32

Bye bye.