Brandi EMME: Energetic Medicine, Metaphysical Experiences, and the Art of Neutral

In this episode of AWAKEN, Ryan sits down with Brandi EMME — certified clinical hypnotherapist, shamanic practitioner, astrologer, former fitness instructor, cuddle therapist, and the force behind EMME Therapy Lounge — for one of the most wide-open, spiritually electric, and quietly profound conversations the show has produced. Brandi joins from wherever her life has landed her, carrying two decades of vegan living, a Tibetan shaman master who changed everything, and a last name she invented — which turned out to mean exactly what it needed to mean.

Before they even hit record, she pulled up Ryan's natal chart. Libra sun, Gemini moon, Sagittarius rising. She had notes.

Brandi came into hypnosis through a Tibetan shamanic lineage — not a weekend certification, but years of deep practice with a master who refused to give her the one thing she showed up wanting: amnesia. She arrived with money in hand, ready to erase a childhood that included watching her father shoot her in the face and murder her mother. The shaman said no. Instead, he put her in neutral — and spent the next two years watching her fight it. When she finally stopped fighting, something shifted. The anger valve disconnected. She noticed it the day a stranger rode off on her bicycle and she just... let him go.

The session that changed her relationship with hypnosis entirely came during a past life regression in school — when she found herself in a beautiful, lonely castle in a white satin slip gown, and then watched her mother roll in, in the same dress, in a glass casket. And heard, clearly, that she was doing exactly what her mother had done — staying loyal to a man who would destroy her. She left her ex-husband shortly after. She credits that regression with saving her life.

From there the conversation goes everywhere it wants to: why Black and Hispanic communities are underrepresented in hypnosis (it's not mistrust of hypnosis specifically — it's mistrust of the category, rooted in religious culture and historical good reason), how Brandi accidentally discovered she was conducting body attunements during cuddle therapy sessions without knowing it, a woman who came for fertility work over Zoom and two days later had baby footprints mysteriously appear on the back of her car window — and three months after that, a baby. A smoking cessation session that turned into a full shamanic extraction. And why Brandi doesn't use scripts, doesn't guarantee specific outcomes, but does guarantee transformation.

She also breaks down what EMME stands for — Energetic Medicine Metaphysical Experiences — which she didn't consciously know when she chose the name. It came to her a year later, as a joke, in a conversation over drinks. It clicked immediately. That's pretty much how her whole life works.

Three quotes from Brandi worth writing down:

"Whatever I'm doing to you, I'm doing to me too. Energy does not discriminate. We're just channels."

"I went to look for my anger, and it wasn't there. I said, come on — where'd you go? And it just... wasn't there anymore."

"You will never leave the same way that you came in. No one does. And you never will."

Connect with Brandi EMME: EMME Therapy Lounge Linktree: linktr.ee/EMMETherapyLounge 

Connect with Ryan DeJonghe / TranceWell: Website: trancewell.help Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Evornel. Hey everybody. It is Ryan here on Awaken. And yeah, I'm so happy that you're here. And guess what? We have someone special with us. Something very special. Brandi M. Welcome, Brandy.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here today.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Yeah, it was it was getting great because uh we were connecting right before we went hit record here. And maybe I should start doing these things live in the future because there's a lot of gold. We're talking about you, Brandy as a hypnotist, and then one of my questions was like I I was asking about why she thinks that hypnosis is so whitewashed. It it bothers me because like it it didn't come from that.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

It came from it came from I have some very okay. I'm just gonna say some stuff that I've just made some. You know I'm plugging in your chart, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:59

So yeah, before we hit record, well actually I hit record and then she's like, what's your sign? And I hit unrecord, and then you have so I told her my birth date, where I'm at, and then so she's looking at uh like astrology. Like it's weird because as I was doing hypnosis, I asked my people that were coming to me, and I had like a mailing list of 3,000. I'm like, what do you guys want to hear about? Do you want to hear about the science of hypnosis or the woo-woo? And I was all like all pumped for the woo-woo. And they all, all of them, about 98% said they want to hear the science. So, okay, did a lot of the science, a lot of research, showed like why it works, what parts of the brain are activated, all the you know, and then now that I've done that, now I'm just diving down the rabbit hole that's stuff we call woo, you know, and it works. It's crazy. Like the other day I went over my fiance, she wasn't feeling well. I'm like, I got my beads and I got some incense. I was like, I literally said woo, you know, over her like that. And she's like, Ryan, I don't want your woo. And you know what? The next day she felt better. So if it works, it works. You don't have to believe in it. If it works, it works.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

You don't have to believe in it. Always say that, but if it works, it works. But you know, statement, always say, it's whatever you believe is what is empowered in your life. I mean, it's it's is it's about the belief system itself, is what makes everything work. You have people that believe in God. Okay, this works, Jesus works for me. You have people that believe in other things, they believe in crystals, they believe in you know whatever. Whatever you put your belief in, that's what works. Yeah, the belief itself.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

And now, how do you draw that out of the client that comes to you? Like, how do you ask them, are you Hindu or Christian without offending them?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

I don't. I let them talk. Yeah. A lot of times, people, you know, I just I always treat my sessions just like like we're just talking right now. I talk to people. I it's very casual. Um, it's just really just like a nice candidate like conversation, you know, or like strangers at a bar or something. Like I just ask questions and they talk about their life, and I talk a little bit about my life. And as they talk, then I start, you know, some people may say, Oh, and then church, or I grew up, okay. So, how do you feel about that? Then I kind of get into that a little bit and kind of learn a little bit more. Um, I have a few clients that are die-hard Christian, 110%. And I incorporate that, incorporate that scriptures and everything right into their hypnosis.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Um, and it and it's really powerful, to be honest. I mean, some of these things get really, really intense, you know. Um, I used to work in a ministry many years ago. So this is not foreign to me. I can definitely switch it up. Um so yeah, I just let people go with it. Some people they come for the metaphysical stuff. They're like, I feel this, you know, they want more like shamanic work, you know. I feel like there's an entity or something like in my back, like I can feel it moving around. Can we work on that? I'm going with you, you know. So it's whatever people want. At the end of the day, it's their sessions they're paying for. And if I can switch gears and follow you and get you what you want, then that's where we're going.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Yeah. Now, how do you handle social media? Like for me, for instance, this one lady came to me as a client, and then we were talking about setting up a phone call, and then she went and checked out my Facebook, and she saw I post a quote by Rumi, who is uh a Muslim, and then she's like, Oh no, I can't work with you.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

I was like, Oh yeah, you gotta I mean it's it's true. Um I try to I try to keep it neutral because you don't want to go too far to the left or too far to the right. That's how I am because I am flexible and I've well have a very blended practice.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

So when it comes to marketing and stuff, I try to keep it very neutral. I don't get too much into and I try to keep very neutral terminology, like, oh, there's an entity. I see it. I'm we're working on it. Okay, we're gonna release that through your hand. You know, I just say, okay, so you know, this is a lot of trauma in the body that we want to just go ahead and release. This is probably just a heavy energy, and you might feel some uncomf discomfort. Like I try to keep everything really neutral because some people, especially those die hard Christian clients, if I start talking about other stuff, they're gonna be like, Oh, I don't know about this. And so um it's best just to keep it neutral. Go there where you can.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

How do you how does a Christian client come to you with that hypnosis word lingering around your name? Like to me, a lot of Christians are kind of like, yeah, hypnosis, yeah, exactly. So how do you cross that bridge from them seeing basically they see the devil symbol next to your name, and there it's no fish, you know, it's it's it's more hypnosis, you know. The spiral, you know, ooh, the scary spiral.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

I do I do use the spiral a lot. In fact, I I have like my projector here, and I I love the I I like to keep traditional hypnosis stuff. Like I like this, I like the syndrome. I like like I put the hypnosis the hypnotic spiral on the screen. I love that. Um and I a lot of hypn hypnotherapists, they don't they don't use that. They don't snap.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

I went through sessions and I'm like, dang, I mean, and I'm not saying it didn't work, it did. But no snaps. I those are things that I'm expecting.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Now you went to HMI or where did you go? You went somewhere pretty good, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:37

HMI, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Yeah. So do they teach the snap HMI? I didn't know they did that. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

They do teach the snap. The only thing that they don't really teach is like the hypnotic spiral. And and reasoning is, you know, some people have epilepsy and stuff like that. I get it. I always ask, you know, is there anything? Are you okay with the screen or anything like that? You know, and if they and if not, I haven't had anybody who says that they wasn't, but if not, then we would just we just wouldn't use eye fascination. We would do something else. Staircase and relaxation or or something else like that.

SPEAKER_03 7:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Um but yeah, I I love the spiral. I mean, that that's a pretty straightforward symbol about what we do. Yeah, so much explanation.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

So now, did my birth date come up on your on your chart? I'm curious when I am.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Okay. I was like, no, every time I find people that I like like, I'm like, oh, I wonder what it is. Okay, it's it's all the air. You're all air.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Air. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

I'm all air. You're all air. One of one of people all air do they talk all the time.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Yeah, how do we ground ourselves? How do we get in touch? Because I've been told I need to ground myself more.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Well, all right, so we got you Libra in the sun.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Gemini in the moon.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

And Stag in the ascending.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

I don't know what that means. You may you like like for those people listening, she's like, ugh, like, uh oh.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Well, you talk about grounding. I'm looking at all three of those and I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, like this guy is in our.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

A lot of mutable quality. Gemini and Sag, they're direct oppositions, so they're polarities. Uh, it will balance each other out. Okay, they're both going to keep each other in check. Okay, we got Sagittarius, the higher mind, Gemini, the lower mind. Sag is expensive in their ideas and their thinking, and they're kind of creative, and they're like, oh, let's go do this, and let's try this. Hey, hey, we we can try anything. Anything can work. Let's be adventurous, let's go try it. And then you have Gemini that's like, look, I call it like I see it. If it's a rat, it's a rat. There's no further, it's like it's flat thinking. Yeah, I think I've killed a Gemini.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I think somewhere along the line that Gemini died, I like stabbed him because he's just so annoying. Because I like being everywhere. I like being up in the air, like, oh, I could do this, I could do this, I could do this, I could do this.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

And then the guy's like, you gotta go to the speed limit. Libra doesn't help. Libra does not help. So you're gonna have that uh tension between that moon and that ascending, because they're opposites, but they do keep each other in check. So when Gemini, because I drew that today.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I drew that today on my tossero. The moon.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

You mean where the moon is right now or the moon in your chart?

SPEAKER_00 9:35

In my chart.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Gemini.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Well, Gemini is the sign of Mercury.

unknown 9:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Sign of communication.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

So they're all Yeah, I can do that. Talk, talk, talk, talk.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah, but when you call it when you gotta call it black or white, I'm like, eh, if you're right, you're wrong, good or evil, you know, in the box. I killed that long ago.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Like Sag is like, okay, we're not doing all that.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

We need to be expansive. Sag is not gonna go with that.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

They don't like that. That makes them feel trapped.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Right, exactly. Yeah, I don't want to be in a box.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

They cannot feel trapped. They want to feel like they can think big and have expansive ideas and try new things and be spontaneous. And yeah, there is no answer. I don't know until I try. That's Sag. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Yeah, yeah. That's that's me all the way.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Optimism. All about optimism. I used to be the other voice. Well, Gemini's kind of have the reputation of being negative, yeah, Debbie Downers a little bit, because they're like, Well, how are you gonna do that? How is that supposed to work?

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

And Sag is just like, ew.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Oh, running on the parade.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Yeah. That's like, yeah, it feels like yeah, people I'm around feel that way. They I guess I they revive that Sag no, the the Gemini in me. They're like, you know, they're like, oh, woo isn't real, and then I hear that Gemini come up and say, see, I told you so.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Well, Geminis, too, they're all about communication. They love to talk. They want to know why, how it works, they spread information. They're like information sisters.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

And so they're very intellectual creatures, but sad is too, because direct oppositions are the same and they're opposite. So they're both similar in that sense, is they're both information. Yeah. They just do it differently. All right.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

So what got you into all this stuff? All the like, did you always have a calling for it, or did something turn in your life where you're like, I want to get into this where I can like change people at the subconscious level? Like, when did that start?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Well it started years ago. I studied with a Tibetan shaman master. And he actually introduced us to the world of hypnosis. And so it was a little bit different. It wasn't clinical, it was more shamanic style, meditation style, trance style. And so that's what really, really opened the door. As far as the whole metaphysical stuff, that started at like 16 with that astrology book, the only astrology book you'll ever need. So that was kind of already just it was just normal. I remember I I went to North Carolina School of the Arts, and so it's a pretty progressive. I went there for high school, it's a pretty progressive art school. And I remember everybody called me Miss Cleo because it was like, there she goes with that god dang book. And I knew everybody, I don't I might not even remember your name, but I knew your natal charts. I knew everybody at lunch, I would just go around from table to table and I would do everybody's natal charts. I've always been in like some metaphysical like stuff like that, human analysis. You know, I really look at astrology as like behavioral analysis.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

So that's kind of what led me more into that with hypnotherapy. So when I studied with the shaman master, I remember um we got heavily into trance, you know, and hypnosis. Um, and I remember one day I came to him, I went through a lot of childhood trauma in life. And I came to him one day and I said, I want you to give me amnesia. I said, I don't want to remember my parents, I don't want to remember what happened to me, I don't want to remember my life. Can you just erase this? Because I felt that if I could just erase this, then I will be a new, better, more improved person.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, I know that's not what happened. So what'd he say?

SPEAKER_01 13:38

I can't with my money, I'm ready to go. I'm like, wipe it, take it away.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

And he's like, he was like, Well, Brady, let me explain something to you. He was like, We could do that. He was like, but I don't think that that is in your best interest. I won't I want all the bad stuff and go away.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

And he's like, Well, you know, you have to realize you you you're the person that you are based upon your life experiences. And if we take that away from you, then it can cause basically a power moment in your life because then you wouldn't be the same. Perhaps you wouldn't like your husband anymore, or you wouldn't be like, What the hell am I doing? I'm like, I have kids and stuff. Like you it would change you and the way that you perceive and change your calling in life, your career path in life. Because it's like, why would I want to do that? Right? I'm obviously doing the things that I'm doing because of my life experiences, right? I feel like I have hands-on experience with stuff and dealing with trauma and PTSD and stuff like that. So he was like, So I don't think we're that it's in our best interest to do that because it would wreck your life. You think that it it it you might have a better life, but it will completely wreck everything that you have right now, and you will be you will be left picking up pieces trying to figure out your new self that you never lived, this new self. It's like taking the bottom foundation out of, you know, amnesia, get into a car accident or something like that, you're scared and drive coal. That's fine. That's not taking the bottom out, right? You know, so he didn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

And it's interesting because you appear as a very happy, bubbly, grounded, I you were grounded, you know, where you're that air, and but you just seem like you're whole I do have cat rising, okay?

SPEAKER_01 15:35

And that's where the grounding is coming. I have a cat and quorum rising, so it does help. Because none of my other sons are grounded at all.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Well, I don't I don't see you as like troubled, you know, like you went to this person to erase your past. And people that are that desperate to erase their past aren't usually have your dispos disposition. So something happened to you between going there with the money in hand, asking for the past to be erased, and now so what would you say happened?

SPEAKER_01 16:11

He put me in neutral. That's what he did. And the Tibetan shamanistic practices, and it's very similar to Buddhism, but it's primitive bomb post, neutral. Neutral gear is where you need to always sit. In my mind, I believe that's complacency. If you put me in neutral, then I'll just be complacent. I won't want to do anything, I'll just sit in neutral, not just you know, putting you in neutral actually puts you in control. Because I always say if you have a seesaw, yeah. What's the what's the better point? A or B? Well, neither. Neither. There it's just you're constantly gonna do this, right? So the strongest point of the seesaw is the fulcrum in the middle.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

It's neutral. It doesn't sway to the left, it doesn't sway to the right, but it holds the weight and the balance, which you all know so well in a Libra.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

In the middle. And so that's what really saved me. It didn't happen overnight, though. It's like he did it, and I fought with it. I probably for about two years, like almost like and my whole life was just wrecked because I didn't and and it and it got to the point that it was like a tension on a rubber band, and yeah. And then I'm just like, huh. Okay, I have I have no other choice but to be here because if I I I don't I don't have control over anything in my life, and and and so I can't go left and I can't go right, but I just have to stay right here and like let all the storm and everything pass.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah. It it's funny because I think a majority of people seeing you would say that you're on the happy, they would label you as happy seeing this, and like I like how you say it, you're neutral. What's that?

SPEAKER_01 18:00

I said I am a pretty happy-go-lucky person, despite you know how I kind of look at things with trauma and stuff. I'm just gonna be honest, I had really traumatic childhood. Like my dad shot me in the face, he murdered my mother. Like, I watched this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

My whole disposition after everything is like, oh heck no. Like, I can't why would I want to why would I want to sit in this space? This feels like terrible to like sit in this space and feel this way.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Like I'm out of here. I'm getting away from everybody cutting everyone.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah, you know, that's your reaction. You don't want to do it because it's just that you don't want to feel that way. So, how do you make space to have that in your history, in your past, and be happy now? And content is another word that comes to my mind when we say neutral, like content with your life and blast gracious what's that?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

He just he did disconnect me from a lot of stuff. Um, no amnesia, but disconnection. So it was almost like how can I explain it? It's almost like instead of the trauma inside of me, it's over there across the street.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

But it's not in me. I can talk about it, I can see it, I can explain it, but it's not really affecting me. Yeah. It doesn't live in my house with me. It lives across the street over there. And I can wave to it and I can say, okay, I see ya.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah, that's a good metaphor. I like that. And then and then maybe like a maybe like you're talking about it's in the house across the street. Maybe another house was built in between you and it, like a house that you can fill with what you want.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Like those neighbors, those those noisy neighbors are now further away.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Right.

unknown 19:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

And it didn't it kind of it just diminished. So it's just external.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Is there any like did they work on any space to allow love for that part of your past? Like, is there any I've heard of this, you know, I'm trying it myself, but to allow our past traumas and to hold them in gratitude, that seems like almost impossible. Is that possible to hold our past trauma in a gratitude?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I wouldn't even say it's gratitude. It's almost it's literally like a disconnection. And that's it literally how I feel. Like I don't cry about it, I can talk about it, I get up in thousands in front of a thousand people, I can talk about what happened.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

And it's more like I'm telling a story that I lived, but I don't feel anything other than it's like somebody else's story. And that's how that's what it did, you know? And it's very fascinating how he did that.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

What that's just what it is.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

And do you now have more capacity to feel for other things? Or is it do you have like a control of what you feel for and don't feel for?

SPEAKER_01 21:22

I'm definitely more in control. Definitely. It's almost like I can sift through stuff and decide what I want to give my time and energy and emotions to.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

It's like which wolf you feed, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

Right. And does it affect uh relationships and stuff? Oh yes. But it puts me in a place of self control.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Right. So you're not dependent on the other to give you love. Never have love, and it's nice to have their love as well.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Right. Everything's a choice. So, like, I mean, I honestly, even now, like I'm going through some pretty traumatic stuff in my life right now, and that out of control despair, like emotional, like it's dead. It's like I remember coming out of that session, and I remember something had actually I came with him twice. The second time was just um I was just I had really started, I never it was after a car accident, and I started showing signs of PTSD, which I never had, but it wasn't the accident, it wasn't PTSD from the accident. I started freaking out and reliving moments that I lived when I was a little girl with like abuse.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Like, so something about the accident was similar to yeah, it reminded you of the past.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Yes, and I was like, what is happening to me? I was like, I'm losing it. Like I literally I see a crumb on the floor. I'm like very different.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah, isn't it funny how we blame ourselves then? Like we don't really have the control over those emotions, and yet we already blame ourselves for having those emotions.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Yeah, and I just felt like terrible and what's wrong with mommy? Why is she yeah, okay, get away from me, everybody get away from I was like losing it. And I was like, okay. So I went to him again. And that's you know, because it's I guess it was completely two different things. This time the anger valve was disconnected completely. I remember like three months later, I remember I was standing outside, I just got I got a bike, and I was so excited. We lived next door to the nature trail, and I went and ride my bike, and I was so happy about my nice little pretty little bike.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

And I went in and I said, Oh crap. My husband kept saying, You need to put your bike in the garage, somebody's gonna steal your garage. I'm like, nobody's gonna steal my garage. I live in a nice gated neighborhood community. Nobody's gonna steal my garage, nobody's gonna come up to our house and steal my garage. Let me steal my bike. So I I put the bike on the side of the garage and I thought about what he said. I was like, okay, I'm gonna put it in the garage. I and I go to walk upstairs. I said, Oh, let me go get the clicker. And then I look and I said, hmm. I said, I need to water my ferns. So I go upstairs and I get the water pot and I was like, So I'm just checking, I'm watering my ferns, and I go fill it up again, and I come down, I'm watering the second one. And I look up, and you know, we live in a townhome community, so there's lots of people riding on bikes in the neighborhood and stuff. I don't think anything about it. And I see this guy, he's there, and I said, Oh man. I look up, I said, Oh, he has a nice like saddlebag. I said, Oh, that's a nice saddlebag.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Oh, yours.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yeah, okay. He was like going through like my saddlebag. I guess he was looking for money or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

And I and he looked at me and he threw his bike down. He got on my bike and rode off. I know. For me, I know my temper. I would have to be honest with you, I would have gone up to that kid. I would have took that kid and beat him up. I would have threatened and probably like cracked it over his head. Like our temper was bad. So I remember I said I'm like chasing him. I'm like chasing him around the community or whatever, and all of a sudden something stops. And I was like, oh, I don't renters insurance. I'll just make a police report and get a new bike.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

So then I stop.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

I remember I went to like uh I said it as I was coming out. So I went to look for my anger and it wasn't there. It's like I I know that range. It's like hold on, where'd you go? You're not right here.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

So this little this Tibetan dude just took it away, like took away the anger connection.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Even if I get mad now, it's like me just it's like no fuel behind it. I'm just yeah, like a little early, you know, yeah, maybe potty mouth. So I'm just like going, like saying stuff, but there's no ammunition. It's like dead.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

So it's like so that was the first thing I noticed after that. I was like, it's gone. Uh and there's no anger, no nothing, it won't rise up. It's like so when stuff happens that normally that we get like a big emotional response, it's not like I'm dead, it's like that valve is gone, and it's like I've just rationale, I'm I'm able to use more rationale with it instead of emotional outbursts and anger. And I don't even care. And I feel like in relationships and dealing with people, people can take that the wrong way because they're not getting emotional responses out of me the way they used to.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

So it's like, do you even care? And it's like, no, I see what you're saying, but what do what you need to do?

SPEAKER_03 26:56

And I'm just bothering me.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

It's almost like I'm just like, huh. Okay. And I you know, and so all that I think it's regardless, it's better this way. Um for me, it's it's better. Like I don't get bit out of shape about stuff. I'm like, oh, come what may, but obviously that probably has a lot to do because I feel like it's blended, right? Spiritually, Buddhism is still it's blended, right? That's just the energy. Whether I practice it, it's just what it is.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Now, can you do it? Can you do what that that Tibetan guy was doing? Like if can someone comes to you, if they feel like their anger is destroying them from the inside out, can you can you help them?

SPEAKER_01 27:41

I do. A lot of times. I neutralize it's what I've learned is the art of neutrality.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

If you can be neutral, what can what can you not do? What can bother you? If you because it's a it's a mindset, it's a place of understanding. Is it really worth it? Do I even does my body even want to to come off its throng to say to even deal with all of that? No, I don't. So I'm gonna let you have it, I'm gonna let you go. You know, it's always that.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Yeah, you got a book title there, I think. Yeah, I I see your name with that book title about neutrality on there. That'll be fun.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

It's the art of neutral and now I get it. Yeah, I didn't get it then. It took me years for it to transform because like I said, I resisted it. I did. Because I was like, no, this is stupid. I can't be like that. That's not gonna work. That's silly. I'll I'll lose my bite as a person. But in actuality, it helps me to sell above and rise above whatever happens.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

And how do you help people like if they feel a little struggling, how do you help them get through that resistance?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

The resistance in what way?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Like you said, it took you two years, like you're like the rubber band, like pulling against you know and you're that you know at the foot of the Tibetan master that could just work this magic.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

It was like belief. It was like belief system because I didn't want to believe that, but it was already done. So I had no other choice but to wrap around it. It was like already shaped and set. And so I'm like, no, no, I can't. I don't want to I mm mm mm-mm, no way. It just it's like okay, well, you can keep it's like pulling a dog on a leash, okay, keep going until it's like, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Gotta do it like you said. No, you mentioned better. You mentioned the body, and then you mentioned mindset, and it reminds me of the story you're saying before we hit record about you used to be a fitness instructor. Can you share that story? I I like that one.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Oh boy. So yeah. When I first started, okay, so I used to be really overweight, and that was like a big deal for me throughout my whole entire life. And I, you know, I I had tried things, but I eventually in my early 20s, I went through like diet change. That's when I became vegan, like in my early 20s. And that, you know, worked for me. And then I said, Oh, well, I lost weight, so I guess I'll never go back. So I never looked back. I never thought about it. I said, There's no need to go back. If this made me lose weight and I feel better and I look better, why would I ever go back? So I was fine with it. I looked at it like a new science project. I figured there was a whole world of food out there that I never explored that I didn't even know existed. So it's to me to try to eat new things. It's not even like I was stuck on the things that I was eating. I was just eating them out of habit, just because that's all I knew was like I grew up in the country in the middle of the south. So you just know what you know. They're not very expensive with ideas and and stuff like that. So after I did that, so over the over the years, you know, I had kids and stuff like that. So I just like I just want to get healthy. So I thought I said, what if I, you know, start counting macros to start working out and doing calories in, calories out. That's how it got started. And I started doing that, but I still was never satisfied. I was never, I lost weight and stuff, but I still felt like I didn't look like I thought I was supposed to look. I'm like, okay, I just look like a floppy, a deflated version of self. I still don't look like I weigh what I weigh. I just look floppy and I still look fat. That's what I always told myself, but really it was psychological.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Body dysmorphia and stuff. And then I remember uh I had joined in gym and I said I treated it like it was my job. I was sit so dedicated. I was like that person. I would work out for like two and three hours a day, and I was always there, and that was like my thing, that was my happy place, and that's what I wanted to do. And so over time I decided maybe I should just become an instructor. This would be great. I can make extra money. The kids were getting older now, so I didn't have to be stuck at home and be a stay-at-home mom anymore. And I said, I'm gonna start uh I'm gonna become a fitness instructor. But I really, I just wanted to do it just a little bit. Like I just wanted to say, oh, okay, somebody's out today. Okay, I can sub and just kind of do it in my little safe, little space. But that is not what happened. After I got my certification, I ended up subbing everybody's classes. I was there almost every every day that I was there working out. I ended up being there every day teaching classes. And I said, Well, the good thing is, it is extra money and stuff like that. That's great, but I did not feel confident in my body. I always felt number one, I felt like everybody else was so much better than me because they looked better, they were worse than these people have also been doing this for like 20 years or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

And I just felt like I just wasn't up to par. I was new, and I never told, like when I would go different places, I never told people I was new. I was like, and then I got stuck in this really high-end gym. One of my friends, she was there and she was leaving, and she gave me all her classes. And I was like, We had people there who were presenters on the videos for the content. And I was like, oh my God. I was devastated. And it was like lights, camera action, go. And I was like, fake it, figure it out, figure it out. But I always felt like I thought to myself in the beginning, I was like, nobody's gonna like me, nobody's gonna come to my classes because I don't look like everybody else. I mean, I'm just gonna be real. I was probably I was like the only black instructor. I was the only, I mean, there was like two Asian girls and me, and that was it. Okay, it's culture. And it was like this really high-end like gym. And I was like, oh god, everybody's gonna hate me.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

But it ended up being the complete opposite. The classes ended up being super packed, and the things that I was so insecure about, I was like, oh my god, they think I'm fat, like, oh, I don't want to do this. My arms are flappy, I have loose skin, I don't look like everybody else. And ended up being the opposite. People felt like, oh, you're like more relatable, or we like your music and stuff like that. Or like, and I was like, huh. And and it was just kind of like, geez, I stressed about all this, and this is actually not not even a factor. You know, people just feel like oh, it's relatable. We like you because you give us options because some of the other classes we cannot do push-ups on our toes like that. But when you do them, you give me options. So then it was like a whole new audience of okay people that would come and stuff like that. So it's interesting, you know, how that works.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Now, when you're talking about this, like I I feel like a lot of people in our industry too feel that imposter syndrome where like, how am I gonna help this client when I feel like I'm a mess inside?

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Happens every day. Yeah, yeah, I just suck it up. I at this point, you just get to the point you just suck it up. I know, and like I had a professor, and she always said, Whatever you're going through in life, I'm telling you right now, somebody's gonna sit down in your chair with the same problem. You're going through a divorce, you're gonna have all these divorcees that are gonna start coming to you. Right. Sure enough, it's so very true. Whatever traumatic experience I was going through, somebody showed up with the same thing. And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, and but now I take it as a blessing when they're telling me what's going on or what's and I said, Okay, and I say, okay, this is my time to fix myself too. Because energy is energy, it's not I'm not exempt, and I always tell people, especially people who are like, I'm skeptical about this shamanic stuff, whatever. Right, whatever I'm doing to you, I'm also doing to myself. So no fears here, okay. If I have the same problem that you have, I'm getting it too. Energy does not cut it, you know, it we're just channels, so it's not just going through me and saying, Okay, we're gonna do this to this person. Whatever I'm doing to you, I'm doing it to me too.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

So if I have a problem with forgiveness, I guess we're both gonna be sitting in bed later on tonight trying to say, Oh jeez, you know. And so I've learned that at first I used to be like devastated, like I would be like panicking, I would be like, Oh my god, but now I'm just like, oh, yep, well, you should gotta fix yourself today.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

I I like that. Uh how it's almost like it's a mirror. It's almost it's like you're talking to yourself in the mirror.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

It is. And there's so many times I hit key points and I feel like the energy like going, I'm like, all right.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Yeah. Now I just wonder how or why is hypnosis like so white. Like that bothers me at this point. Because you look at the history of hypnosis, you look at and it's the African and Indian.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Well, yeah, because it because hypnosis then it was linked more to like shamanic spiritual practices and trance work and stuff like that. Right. So when you look like at Native American cultures and stuff like that, that's what it really, really was. And it was definitely more of a spiritual yeah. And so I think that's where we get that from. But I want to say one thing that I know for certain was black culture. Black culture, I don't care what people do in their lives, they can be alcoholics, they can be sleeping with the pastor and whatever. It's a very religious culture, period. It's built into the culture. You don't even have to be religious, but you're religious. Right. Because it's so built into the culture. Okay, it just is. And so because this and in a lot of things, it's not even built into the culture in an educated way, like where people know their history and stuff like this. It's just like, well, this is what the Bible says, so that's the devil. Well, even there's no yeah, not even hypnosis. Now that you mentioned it's anything that built with spirituality, just in general. Yeah. So a lot, so that's one reason why you probably that's one reason why I I feel like you wouldn't see a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Uh like in hi with hypnosis. And I feel like Hispanic culture is pretty similar in that way too. It's like, uh oh, that's the devil. You say what's the best time you bring spirits into your house. You know? And so I think that's one reason why the people I think you nailed it.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

I think because it's the same even for psychology and therapy in the black culture. It's like, oh, you're seeing a therapist and you're I don't know, you're given the label, like you're not right if you're seeing a therapist. Like you gotta do it on your own, you know, like how do we get around that?

SPEAKER_01 38:50

I think it I think what it is too, um, it's a lack of trust. Oh, I don't trust those people.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Yeah, I yeah, especially the white man like trust that hypnotherapy and stuff when you bring in demons in your house. I don't, you know, and it just it and just at this point, I'm just numb to it and I'm immune to it, because I already know like how people think and stuff like that. You know, so do I get this stuff with my family? Mm-hmm. Yeah. My sister's a Jehovah's Witness. So you already know. She's like, Oh, stay away from Brandy. She practices that hypnotherapy and has those crazy.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Yeah, that's gotta be awkward. You're right, because like when I'm around my family, we grew up in Ohio and in the church, and I mentioned doing a Bible tarot deck, and my sister's like, oh Ryan, you can't even say the word tarot. I'm like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Well, you just have to what you learn is people are entitled to their opinions, and you see it for what it is. People only know what they know, period. A lot of my family, they've never left the small town that they grew up in. So they're not gonna be expensive or open to I mean, we're talking about small town, like unless you're black or white, they're scared of you. Kind of like thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:09

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Scared of cultures and people, like everybody, if they saw like an Indian person in their native clothing, people would stare out the window and hey. That's the kind of like how I grew up in. And so it's just it's just, you know, they're only they're at their capacity for what they know and understand. I'm the only person that left home, moved to New York, moved to Boston, lived around, met people. I mean, I don't in fact, I don't even have that many American friends. I feel like I'm very like a lot of international friends. Because I'm always curious. I want to know why. I want to know what that is, I want to know what that food tastes like. Like, how do I, you know, and so I've I've ever since I've left home, I've always been that way.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Yeah, you found out more about yourself in the process.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Right. Yeah, you found out who you really are, and what I like and what I don't like. Like I said, I've been vegan for like 20 years, so I don't even going home and trying to have a dinner with my family is like the weirdest thing. They feel like I'm they look at me that I am brainwashed and I need to come back down to reality and from their perspective. Uh it's it's like complete disconnect.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

It's funny you mentioned that vegan. I was two years and I went back to my family, and my mom was saying, Oh, you're the vegan, like like sticking your rhymes with Satan. It's like, oh, okay, because I eat plants. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Um they'll they'll say that you picked up some uh other spiritual practice from somewhere else, and that's not how it's supposed to be. Right. And you're living your life wrong. And I get it. I respect people from all walks of life. And the only way that I can that I can accept it or f uh or take it is because I understand. I'm like, okay, I understand. You know, I I get it. You know.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Yeah, you get it. Now, what was your biggest aha moment in hypnosis? You went through HMI, you started your own practice, and what was the thing that like whoa, that now it all makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

You mean as far as doing hypnotherapy or you mean like or just understand the concept of it?

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Yeah, so doing it either in on yourself or with others is like when did it like click?

SPEAKER_01 42:26

I'm gonna tell you, I had one experience with a past life regression while I was in school. And I think that's what made me say, Oh, dang it. Oh and that's what was like it just did it right there when I was in school. I was telling you earlier earlier, you know, my mother uh was murdered by her husband. And um never especially because I had already been through the other hypnosis, so I never really I don't even think about this. I'm like, I don't want to talk about this, I don't think about this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

And the past life regressions I didn't go into it with anything. We were actually in a training, actually. So I didn't I didn't have anything that I was going to past life regression for.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

It just it just went. So I was sitting there she put us under, and I'm just looking at everything, and I see myself. And this was the realest message that just like begutted me and changed my life. I can you not so I see myself, I'm like in this castle or whatever. It's just big, beautiful, and it's it's very beautiful, it's very schwank, it's very clean, it's pretty little curtains and smells nice. I mean, if I could describe it, it smelled like fresh incense, and everything was just clean, but it was so lonely. Oh, I felt so lonely. Like I just felt like empty and alone. Let's like I had everything I wanted, but I didn't know it was alone. And It was very specific. I had all like this white like slip gown. Yeah. Satiny like slip gown thing. And I was sitting there and it looks like it gave me the feel of like uh like alcoholic. Like I I felt like I don't know, there was some wine or something. This one, the the energy that gave me like some addiction of some sort. And I was just there alone. And then it flashed. And I saw, you know, like a Snow White, you know, the the white, or what is it, Sleeping Beauty or Snow White, anyway, the casket. It was like glass or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

So I see they're rolling my mom in and the casket. And my mom is lying in the casket, the glass casket, and she has on the same white satin slip dress.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

So now I'm seeing like the parallelism, and I'm like, like, what's going on here? Yeah. I'm like, the heck. So she's sitting there in her like slip gown. And I say, um, I'm like, what is going on in my mind? I'm talking, I'm talking to them guys or whatever, and I'm like, what is going on? And I and I and I say, I say, well, I don't know what you're trying to say, but I am nothing like her. We are not two of a kind. I mean, my mom was so weak. I mean, she let my dad like abuse her and run over her and stuff. I am not that person. So I don't know what you're trying to say. Yeah. And that's what I said. And it was like, oh, oh, really? Well, you think about it like this. And I this left me absolutely begutted. I think I was traumatized after this past life progression. It's like, oh yeah. Well, you know, she actually sacrificed her whole life because she tried to help your dad. She thought that she could save him from his mental illness and his alcoholism, but she couldn't. And when it ended up happening, it cost her her life. I was like, at the time, I was still married with my ex-husband. He had started to show signs of schizophrenia. He became a totally different person. He has started being like abusive and doing weird stuff and like all of this stuff. And here I am. Hold on, I can fix it. No, hello. Stop out of it. Wake up. No, I'm gonna stand by you 110%, and I'm gonna help you, and I'm gonna fix this.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

And here comes the casket.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

And I'm thinking exactly.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

And I'm like, I would have never, ever saw that angle of perspective in a million years. I probably would be dead right now, to be honest, because it was getting out of hand. You know? Um, I was just blown away, and it changed me. It changed my perception to say, so you're just like your mother. You're doing exactly what she did, and you're walking right in her footsteps. So then that's the parallelism. You're walking right in the footsteps. Now, how with him? He already told her he was gonna kill her. He already said that he was gonna do this stuff, and she thought that she could save him, just like you think that you could save him and you can't and you won't.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

Now, who are you having a conversation with? Who showed you this image and or what showed you this image, and who are you saying? No, no, no, that's my who are you talking to?

SPEAKER_01 47:36

It's like higher self.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Higher self. Okay. Is that the same as subconscious? Do you think?

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Yes, higher self-conscious.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Yeah. And so I just it was shocking. It really did. And I did let that situation go eventually.

unknown 47:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

Shortly, it didn't take long afterwards, maybe some months after that. Because I after I saw, I said, you know, it it when I came back into the situation and I looked, I saw it clearly. I said you're doing the same thing that she did, and it cost her her life.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

And I said, So whenever things started to get out of hand and he started being weird and doing stuff that and accusing me and all this stuff, he left. I said, just go ahead and go. I said, and don't come back. I said, When you leave, don't come back. And that was it. I went on with my wife. I took my kids and I said, Well, what are we gonna do, Mom? I said, I don't know. Figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

Yeah, you figure it out. Now, how does the person begin to have these conversations? So it's not as dramatic, you know. Like all along I feel the higher self is trying to talk talk to us, but it's kind of quiet. And sometimes it's like it has to be really loud. It could be like a physical thing, an emotional thing. So how do we begin to have those conversations and trust that the higher self has our best interest in mind?

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I think when you really like when you really get into hypnosis and you really get into an induction, right? You're you're at that relaxed state that you can really, really see it. Because you don't have any, you know, you don't have it, you're like neutral when you're in that state. You know, you don't really have anything that you're thinking or things that you're trying to you know, and it gives you time to just listen. And my biggest thing is how did I know that was true? Because everything lined up in reality outside of hypnosis. I can literally take what I saw and I can literally go and say, You're right, there it is, you're absolutely right, you know, because the truth is always present, you know. Even when we say, you know, I've been a spiritual advisor on platforms for years and things, and so the truth is always present. We just have to put yourself in a state that you can see it. The dimensions is already there. We are whatever somebody is doing, you know, across the way, they're doing it, right? It's just that now you open yourself up to be able to see through the lines so you can see what's going on. So it's just about being open and receptive to it, I think, because the truth is always present.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

And you talk about getting a person in hypnosis. So how if someone wants to work with you, like how do they go to a website? How do they get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah, to be honest, it's so weird, even though uh everybody just comes to social media. It's like, oh, nobody ever uses this, like I even though it's there, nobody ever uses business pages, they never do. They just come to Facebook, or they just come to Google, or they just text or call like from like Google, and this is always what it is. But I feel like something with like hypnosis, people usually don't just book, they usually want to talk to you first, they want to talk and understand and say, Hey, I'm curious to know more about this, um, or whatever. So I'm pretty casual and I'm open, but I've go to Google. I'm on Google at M Therapy Lounge, so E M M E Therapy Lounge, and it pops up there, and you can just reach out and contact. It'll take you for bookings and stuff like that. It'll take you right into Care Patron. You can set up an account and stuff like that, or it'll take you to social media and you can just reach out. But yeah, that's where everybody finds me. It's always online somewhere or through Google.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

I like that name in Therapy Lounge. It just sounds like you know what it stands for? Oh, it stands for something?

SPEAKER_01 51:38

It does stand. Okay, so right before, about a year before I was gonna go through my divorce, I already, you know, I said my mom, I don't, and there was lots of stuff going on. I said, I don't want this last name. I don't want, I don't want to go into my life and my professional career. I don't want oh god, I don't want this last name. I was pretty vocal about that too, you know, and a lot of it had to do with how I was being treated. I don't want yeah, yeah. So I said, huh. I said, well, I said, I tell you what, I know I'm not gonna go back to my maiden name, yikes. Why would I want to have that name? No, none of us. Even my sisters and things when they went through divorces and stuff, they never went back to that name.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

So I was like, Well, I'm definitely not going back to that, yikes. And I was like, Well, I guess I'll just have to make up a name. I mean, you can make up any last name. If you go back to sign the papers and pay 150 bucks, you can change your last name to whatever you want to change it to.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

And I was like, my last name is M. That's what I said to myself. E M M E. That's what I said. I don't know where this came from. I said, Well, what does that mean? I don't know. It doesn't mean anything. I just like it, it just sounds right. Yeah. A year later, I was I was talking to my friend, I think we went out for drinking last time. I was like, listen, I'm gonna tell you what this is. I was like, I call these little ditties energetic medicine metaphysical experiences.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Oh, that's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

That's it. Yeah, that's what M stands for. I'm almost like, I don't know how that the dots connected. I was just actually just joking and just playing around. And then something clicked, and I was like, that's it. That's what it stands for. So that's where that came from.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

That's perfect. Does it say that on your page? What it stands for?

SPEAKER_01 53:28

No. But I've I'll I'll I'll put all of that together. Like I could see like your profile picture.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

It could be like around your profile picture, you know?

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Yeah, energetic medicine, metaphysical experiences.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

That that's awesome. I love how you bring in the metaphysics of it too. Like you're dealing on the like the quantum realm.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

What really got that aspect started. So after I went through the separation and stuff, I was like, oh, it's like I don't know what to do. I feel sad. My friend was like, have you ever heard of cuddle therapy? And I was like, Yeah. I was like, You mean like when you just go like cuddle strangers, you hug them and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

She was like, Yeah. She was like, That's like a lot of money. You should definitely do that. I'm like, Well, I'll try. Why not? Yeah. Got approved, put it up. The next day, my inbox was loaded. I was like, oh. I was like, I guess I should start responding to people. This is kind of weird. I don't know if this is weird. And I did, and I like loved it. And so that's how it got started. So this this is so easy.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Um you gotta clue me in here because I don't know how you go from cuddling to metaphysics. So I'm I'm waiting for it.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

I didn't know how this worked either. I kid you not. So I'm thinking to myself, oh, I just you know, just wanting to cuddle people, just a regular couple hours get paid, you know, spend time with people, talk to them and stuff like that, and everything's fine, and I'm just going about my business.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

It was like that, and then after about a couple weeks, people started coming back. And I said, Hi, you know, this is uh such a sense, you know, I had a a conversation with you a couple weeks ago, and he said, You know since I had that session with you, like something happened. Like, what? I don't know. This something is different. I thought, Oh, like what like like what? You know, I just feel I don't know, and and and and people had no words, and then it started trickling down. There was more people that was coming and saying, you know, uh like something happened and I thought what like in my mind, I'm just sitting there, I'm just talking, like I'm talking to you, I'm just being regular and what was happening is the body attunements you have to think about it. I haven't been around anybody other than my husband and my kids for all these years. I don't know. How am I how am I supposed to know? To them, everything is already attuned into normal. They live inside of that energy, yeah, right? But these are strangers, and I'm close and personal and touching strangers. So, what's actually happening is the body attunements that I had from the shaman starts attuning the clients.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Like, wait a minute, this can't be, and I was like, but I'm not in my mind, I'm not intentionally going in and saying, Oh, this is energy work. Okay, I'm gonna realign this person. I'm not doing anything, I'm just existing.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

Existing, right?

SPEAKER_01 56:45

So I'm thinking, but you're still close and personal and you're still touching people, and you're actually enlightening them and aligning their body systems, whether you are intentionally doing it or not, is doing it by itself. And I was like, oh, I don't know how I feel about that. I was like, if people aren't signing up for it, then what like I yeah, I don't know what to think about that. I was like, I and I and I I would try, I'll be like, okay, don't. And it would do it, it would still continue doing it all the time. It didn't matter who it was, it didn't matter, it was all it was just a tuning.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

I like how you weren't like you weren't following a formula, you weren't like, okay, I gotta like do this ritual, like bathe in the moonlight and rub crystals over my body. You just were you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

I'm like, I would have to, I'm no, there's no intention behind that. So this can't be really happening, but it really was. And I said, Okay, this is just me. That's what you're gonna get. So I just started saying that listen, this is what you're gonna get is energetic medicine metaphysical experiences. Yeah, um, I had some very uh, very real shamanic experiences that wasn't even intentional, right? It was just happening. So whatever was wrong with these people, or whatever was misaligned in their bodies, or whatever trauma, it was the healing was taking place just by us touching.

SPEAKER_03 58:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

And I that's how that got started. And I was like, Well, I get I think that's my thing. So it's just attunements, and I I can never get rid of those attunements.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

Now, can we attune over Zoom?

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

So like I can have the tunneling, it's like you feel it's like you got the body warmth. And even when I used to do Reiki for a while, like for me, I prefer touching the body versus some Reiki practitioners just more like over, like hover over. I feel like there's more, like I'm doing more from actually touching them. And yet I feel like it doesn't really matter as long as we're holding that person in loving awareness, like creating a a loving blanket for them.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

Yeah. I feel like it's not the same as it is with uh touch, but I mean, it still works even, you know, like doing sessions on Zoom. I'll tell you, I had this one lady a few years ago, and she could not get pregnant. She said she wanted to get pregnant, and that was what she was trying to do. If she wanted hypnosis or some energy or some shamanic stuff, she wanted to help her get pregnant, and we did it over Zoom. She did one session. I kid you not. This is so very real. So a lady comes, she does this session, we do hypnosis and energy stuff, and she's actually she was a friend of my sister's, and she says, That was interesting. She said, the whole time that we're doing this, she said, I just felt something moving around and swimming around in my stomach. I wasn't even doing this intentionally. I'm just talking to her. I'm just talking, we're just doing the hypnosis, but she felt something swimming around in her, yeah. Two days I kill you out, two days later, my sister sent me a picture. There were baby footprints on the back of her car.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

What?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

On the window. And she was like, What is going on? Is this real? And I was like, That's weird. It was literally like like somebody took their new, let's like imagine somebody took their newborn baby and went fans. Yeah. I'm like, nobody did that. Nobody took their newborn baby and stuck their feet on the back of their face.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

So I was like, that's weird. I can you not in three months, she was pregnant. And she gave birth to like her baby boy.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Wow. That's amazing. I love stories like that. And the footprints on the window. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:59

I was like, we were all just in awe. She had been trying probably for eight years to get pregnant. And the doctors have told her that she, you know, she's had something, a condition or something. She couldn't get pregnant. And sure enough, she got her baby. So it's blended. I the shamanic stuff, um, it's a different level. Um, I don't always know, and I don't always understand. And that's one thing that our teacher always told us. Sometimes when spirit moves, you're just an antenna. Right. You're just an antenna. And then antenna, and don't try to rationalize. You might come in with one intention and it might take over and send it somewhere else. And that's so very true. Like, I wasn't going into codal sessions thinking, okay, I'm gonna fix this person up with this a little bit about. I don't even know what's going on with you. I'm not even, I'm just talking to you like a person. Yeah, like I didn't had no idea that this lady's footprints was gonna confirm on the back of our car and then she was gonna end up pregnant. I feel like I'm just seeing a client, I'm just doing my job, and let's see what happens. But um, and it's real. So that aspect, I don't think I can ever get rid of it. It's built inside of me, it's in my body, my body's already in tune to it, and it's never gonna go away.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Now, for the antenna, I love all that. For the antenna, when it's you know, just like in a car and can I picture an antenna you raise up it like telescope, and and then sometimes a bad storm comes in and you can't get the radio statement. So, what happens when a client comes in and is like, Well, I heard you can make me pregnant, you know? Like you hear the story on YouTube that okay, I'm gonna go see Brandy and she's gonna help me be pregnant. So, what happens, you know, like you know what our teacher always says, listen, it's whatever spirit wants to do and however spirit wants to move.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

I'm just an antenna. People might come from one thing and they might come out with something totally different. Um, so they have to understand that. Like, I'm just an antenna, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna try, but I just want you to tell people that I'm like, listen, this is where why we're here. You might have come in for shoulder pain, but that might not be where we're going today. We might come in with intention for that, yeah, but it the root cause we might be talking about childhood sexual abuse, you know, and I'm just letting you know. So just be open and be aware of that. Um, I had one lady come in for smoking.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Well, we then of course I'm gonna do what we say. Okay, we're gonna start now, okay. Smoking cessation or whatever. This ends up being a shamanic experience where the lady was like almost in the floor.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

She's like, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. I feel like something's coming up, something's coming up.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

I was like, I I was like, Oh, I probably should have warned her. I didn't know, I didn't think that that was gonna happen. I'm like, what we're gonna do. But it like completely went somewhere else to a complete full-blown extraction that I wasn't even prepared for, but I I played it cold. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. Let me get you some water. Deep sleep. You know? Um, so these things do happen. So you do have to come in with an open mind. And I just let people know that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

And that answered my question too, because like someone might come for X, right? And then like I like how you're up front with them. You're not here and you're not paying for X. Like, I'm not guaranteeing X.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

I am I'm guaranteeing you that you will get better and something that needs to be fixed in your life and aligns is gonna align. Like, I never use scripts, like I'm pretty intuitive. I can pick up people, I can read people, and I can already see the root cause for some reason. I can always pick it up whenever they come in. But I let them talk and stuff, and then I explain, and then I kind of like I'm a big writer, I always use the dry erase force. Yeah, that's great. I talk a lot. So um, yeah, you know, but you will get better. You're gonna definitely leave transformed in some way.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Yeah, in an unexpected way. I love that. So thank you for being here. Before we let you go, I wonder, is there anything just briefly that you love for the whole world to know in this moment that we have?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

I think I think everybody should try hypnotherapy. No lie. I'm not just saying this because I'm biased. The transformation that I received made me want to say, Oh yes. Because I was not a person um that wants to go to therapy. I don't want to talk about problems, I don't want to be good on a rap, I don't want to do this, you know, just fix it. And so uh I think the power of hypnotherapy is is transformative. You will never leave the same way that you came in. No one does. And you never will. You know, you will it's enlightening, it gives healing, it gives perspective, it does a lot of things. So I think everybody needs to experience that at least once in life in some way. You know, because I when I look back I would never see myself where I am now. And if it hadn't been for that, meeting that hypnotist and that shaman No. I don't honestly I don't even know if I would even be here to be honest. I had a lot of problems. I was okay with all the problems, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

That's beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Brandy. I really appreciate your time. And everyone that's listening, watching, check out her the page to get in touch with her because uh she's great. Go check her out. Thank you again, Brandy.