Jeff Broomfield: The Outside-In Theory, Soul Realignment, and Why Your Hypnotist Might Be Unhypnotizing You

In this episode of AWAKEN, Ryan sits down with Jeff Broomfield — hypnotist, former thrash metal guitarist, print industry veteran, Figment the Dragon enthusiast, and the man behind jeffbroomfield.com — for one of the most wide-open, philosophically alive, and quietly warm conversations the show has had. Jeff joins from Canada wearing a Figment shirt and with a Figment stuffed toy perched on his shoulder like a parrot, which sets the tone immediately: this is someone who takes imagination seriously enough to wear it.

Jeff came up through the graphics and printing industry, where he spent years studying light, color, and imaging at a professional level — and where he first started noticing that things weren't quite what they appeared to be. You can't actually see light. You can only see its reflection when it hits something. That observation became a doorway into Carl Jung, into projection, into the outside-in theory that now forms the spine of his entire practice.

The outside-in theory is simple and unsettling in equal measure: from birth, we are conditioned by religion, culture, family, and society to believe we are not enough — that our instincts need to be suppressed, our authenticity needs to be managed, and that authority lives outside us rather than within. Jeff's argument is that most people are already in a trance when they walk through a hypnotist's door, and that the real work isn't putting them into one. He asks every hypnotist he meets the same question: when you're working with a client, do you ever feel like you're actually taking them out of a trance? Most of them say yes.

The conversation covers a lot of ground. They dig into Jung's mirror — how everything that triggers us in other people is a reflection of something unresolved in ourselves — and Ryan turns it on himself in real time, wondering aloud whether his irritation at a peer charging $14.95 for a $2,000 hypnosis course is really about his own history of being taken advantage of. Jeff doesn't let him off the hook easy. They talk about the Rebel Reflex and why you can't tell someone what they need to change — you can only create the conditions for them to find it. They talk about grief as quicksand, about cutting toxic strings, about the soul realignment work Jeff does after clearing the emotional bucket: taking clients into their own inner light and watching the smile arrive on their face when they find it. Seventy-year-old women telling him they've never felt love like that before.

They also talk about the woman with three months to live whose son had just died of a fentanyl overdose — who transferred her trust from her oncologist to Jeff, lived six more years, and whose ex-boyfriend reached out to thank him for the time they got back together. They talk about the collective consciousness and why you can't walk on water alone when everyone around you is still certain you can't. They talk about Dr. Emoto and frequency and love as the open guitar string — the note that everything else is a suppressed version of. And Jeff closes with the one thing he most wants people to know, delivered while leaning into the camera with a smile: be yourself. If I can get here from playing Slayer in a thrash band while people called me a Satanist, so can you.

Three quotes from Jeff worth writing down:

"When you're hypnotizing your clients, do you ever feel like you're actually taking them out of a trance? Because that's what we're really doing."

"You are a being of love and light. That is your soul. That is who you are. Everything else is suppression."

"Be yourself. That is what love is. Once you love yourself, you love everybody else. You can't truly love other people until you love yourself."

Connect with Jeff Broomfield: Website: jeffbroomfield.com YouTube: youtube.com/@JeffBroomfield Jeff presents at the Michigan International Hypnosis Conference in September and the Toronto Hypnosis Conference in October — topics include the Outside-In Theory and spoon bending with the power of your mind (yes, really — reach out to find out more)

Connect with Ryan DeJonghe / TranceWell: Website: trancewell.help Email: ryan@trancewell.help

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome everyone. Thank you so much for being here. Sincerely, I really do appreciate you for tuning in again. And because of you, we can have guests that are special, including Jeff Broomfield. Thank you so much, Jeff, for being here today.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Hi, thanks for having me on, Ryan. I really appreciate the opportunity to have this chat with you today.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Yeah, I just love your vibe. We got, and then anyone listening, watching, we'll put the links to his YouTube and his website. And just for those that are listening, I want to describe how fabulous Jeff is. He's got this shirt on with Figment the Dragon. And it's just glorious. And then he has this Figment, it looks like a stuffed toy that can go on his shoulder like a parrot. And it's it's delightful because it reminds me of going to Disney with my parents when I was a kid and all about the imagination. And this leads us to Jeff, what is one of your main things is the outside in theory. Is that uh what can you tell us about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah, the outside in theory, I have this theory that we've been hypnotized, conditioned to believe that we're not enough, that our instincts aren't enough, that uh who we are is not enough. In religion, they tell us we're sinners and we need to be fixed. They treat us like we're animals and we need to suppress the animal within us in order to become a person, in order to become civilized. So, civilized might be a better word than hypnotized. Right. Uh, but I talk to hypnotists all the time and I ask them all the same question. When you're hypnotizing your clients, do you ever feel like you're actually taking them out of a trance?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

You ever feel that way?

SPEAKER_02 1:50

I I sure do. And as you're talking, the the other words I that came on my mind were compliance as well as control. Like keep things in order, keep things control. And we know that even from the Da Li Ching, like the more you try to control something, the more awry it gets. The more and it's like our like you say, the subconscious, like we have all these programs running, like I should be doing this, I should be doing that. And yeah, when the client comes in the door, it's like we can free them, it's like opening a door and they can just walk out.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Yeah, yeah, because they don't know, like they've actually put themselves into a trance in order to have this problem that they have. And the way I see it is that the things that we do, when they did a test on humans, uh, and at three years old, they found 98% of us were considered creative geniuses. And by the time we hit uh 18, 98% of us were no longer geniuses. And that's because we suppress the genius part of us because it's not good enough.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

That's fascinating. It makes me I don't know if this is the same study or not. They had four groups. They had kindergarten, a class of kindergartners, then they had business school students, CEOs, and lawyers, so four different groups, and who could build the tallest tower out of pasta noodles and some string. And funny enough, the kindergartners beat all of them. So to me, when I looked at that, I was like, okay, they're more they're not as afraid of failing. And then I like what you're saying, they're suppressing genius as we get older. So, what is going on there?

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Like our our creativity, our imagination, right? We're coming back to our buddy Figment here, yeah, and he's all about the imagination. And when you watch that Disney stuff, it's like Disney does all the imagining for us. And I see I came up through the graphics industry. I was a printer, I was the print dude, and in that industry, it's all about imaging. And one of the things I did, I became an expert at uh stuff like light and color, those kinds of things, right? And I learned that things weren't exactly the way we always think that they are. For example, you can't see light, you can only see the reflection of that light. If you could see light, um, other than my purple wall right behind me here, you'd be able to see that this light here is purple and it's shining on my hand.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Right. I didn't see that until you held your hand up, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah, you could see it on the wall. Sure. But as soon as I put my hand here, does that block it and make it kind of gray above my hand? Because all of a sudden the purple light's not there. So light, you don't see the actual light, you see its reflection when it reflects off of something.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Right. Now, how does that apply to the person when you're talking about this outside in theory of being unhypnotized?

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Are you familiar with Carl Jung?

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Yes, love Carl Jung.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Okay, the mirror. So everything is a reflection of what's inside. We can't see our own behavior, we can't see our own subconscious, and so what we tend to do is we project it on the outside world, the people around us, and so we see our behaviors in other people. And so the things that the thing that makes us angry about somebody else's behavior, well, we have an unresolved issue around that behavior. A lot of times we have that exact same behavior, but we don't know it because all behaviors sub uh at the subconscious level, right? And so when you see that, like uh a good example of that, if you've ever had a bully in your group and they see another bully, and they're the first one to point out that that other person's a bully, and how dare you treat people that way. Now, it could also be that you've suppressed that so hard inside of yourself that you're exactly the opposite. And so you spend a lot of time trying not to be a bully, and when you see other people being a bully, you've sacrificed so much and they're not doing anything, so you're mad at them because they're a bully. I see. So it's one of the two when you're angry with somebody over something, it's your unresolved, unresolved emotional trauma. Otherwise, you'd see them do their thing and it wouldn't hurt you emotionally, you wouldn't feel it wouldn't trigger you.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

I I feel like we're all mad at bullies. So does that mean we're all bullies? Like I know I'm mad at bullies. Does that make me mean I'm suppressing the bully within?

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Have you uh probably possibly are you a bully to yourself? Do you bully your own self? Do you tell yourself you can't do things?

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Yeah, I used to. What do you mean can't do things?

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Well, uh well, you can't do that. You're not good enough for that.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Why would you even try that? When you go to put an ad out for your business, you convince yourself you're not good enough to do that, or are you bullying yourself that way?

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Well, that's funny you say that because that's the thing that I feel I'm projecting. Like bullies might be a complicated subject. And I feel like, okay, in our field of hypnosis, that a recent discussion was about one of our peers putting out an ad saying, for $14.95, you can charge and do a $2,000 session. You can you can learn all the hypnosis you need for $14.95 and then book a $2,000 session. And to me, I was like, that feels wrong. I felt myself getting a little like, that's you know, I hope people aren't being taken advantage of. So it's almost like I'm a white knight. I don't know if that means I'm suppressing something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Right. It could be you've been bullied before, you've been taken advantage of that way before. And you just haven't let go of the emotions behind that yet.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Oh, I see. And then so the idea is to be able to get to the point of just letting go, like, okay, whatever they're doing, they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Yeah. Just let them do what they do, right? That doesn't bother me. I mean, yeah, they're doing that. It's not a good thing to be doing, but I have no control over other people. And that's just my judgment. Right. I mean, in in reality, there is no such thing as good or bad.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Right. Yeah, that's difficult. Say more about that if you don't mind, because that's a difficult pill to swallow.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Okay, let's go to temperature. There's only temperature, there is no hot and cold.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Okay, so if you are in um Alaska and it's freezing cold, of course, if you stand outside in the freezing cold like that and get frostbite, that's one thing, but that is temperature related. And of course, you're freezing, but the that cold that you're feeling, if if you are gonna jump in a pool and the temperature is let's say it's um 76 degrees. Is that hot or cold?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, it's all per it's all relative in that scenario.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Yeah, if you heat your steak up to 82 degrees, is that hot or cold?

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Right. Yeah, and it could be something different for each person, too. For one person it could be cold, for one person it could be hot.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Yeah, and it all shifts perspective depending on where you are in the chain of events.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

And what about something like war? To me, like war or killing people, that to me seems bad.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Yeah, and we can label it that way. We can all agree that um, and we don't all agree that that's bad. Hey, I was all over that with 9-11 and after that, and they were doing that whole shock and awe thing. We're watching TV, watching thousands of people getting killed in a frame all at once, right? And we were cheering it on, right? And is it bad? Right, right, yeah. Are we evil people for cheering on the death of the other?

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Cheering on the death of others, you're right, yeah. Yeah, that's complicated. So let's let's dial it back in. Let's let's dial it back in on the on the micro level to the individual level. So you're seeing a client, they come in, and then so far, what I get is they come in, they're hypnotized by the world, the programming of the world. And then so how does a person recognize that in order to come and see a hypnotist like yourself?

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Well, uh, it's it's one of these things with the outside in is that unless you hear something about this stuff from me, you're probably not going to be looking to get de-hypnotized. Right. Right. So people aren't generally looking for that when I get, you know, world famous and everybody's talking about me and stuff, then people will start looking to be de-hypnotized. Right. Um, and that's been that's been the uh theme of uh at least a couple of hypnosis conferences I've been at lately. Uh talking about getting de-hypnotized. And so it's gaining popularity now. Uh, but generally people are coming in because they're they're stuck and they can't figure out how to get unstuck.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Right. Stuck is a great word for that. And you mentioned conferences. Do you mind just giving a shout out? To you're going to be in Michigan and Canada conference later this year, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Yeah. September is the Michigan International Hypnosis Conference. And in October, it's the Toronto Hypnosis Conference. I'm not sure exactly what the full name is there. But I'll be presenting at both of those too.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Wonderful. And it's the same topic about the outside in or the dehaperizing.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

I submitted three different subjects to both of them, and which ones they pick. I know that uh we're gonna be talking about outside in in Michigan. I don't know what Toronto is yet, they still got to put together their schedule.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Yeah, that makes sense. Well, congratulations for being at both of those. That's pretty huge.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Yeah, yeah, and one of them. I don't know that I have my spoon here, but how to bend a spoon with the power of your mind. Well, now I want to know. Oh, well, there's not enough time to show you how to do that, and we don't have any spoons nearby to bend.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

I can get a spoon, dude. I could get a spoon because that's been my one of my quests in this. All of this is one is like in the matrix when they're bending spoons, and then they're like, What's that quote? There is no spoon, I think it is. Like when Neo goes in to see the oracle, and there's these kids in there, some of them are levitating blocks in the air, and another one is like bending the spoon, and Neo's like, what's going on there? And the kid's like, there is no spoon. That's the secret. And then later on, when he's like trying to like rescue Morpheus and everyone, and and then all of a sudden Neo's like, Oh, there is no spoon, and then he sees reality for what it is.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Well, yeah, see, see, it it's kind of like that, and that's kind of a little bit of a misdirection, and it's probably somebody who hasn't learned how to bend a spoon with the power of their mind came up with that. Because the power of the power of the mind, the power of the imagination.

unknown 14:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Is the power of the imagination is so incredible that we have to imagine it in the mind first.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

So you're saying we have to imagine imagination?

SPEAKER_00 14:32

You have to imagine the spoon bending in your mind.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Oh, I see, I see. And then to me, that's almost like a prayer. Like you're you're saying it in your mind. And I feel like when you're talking about prayer or healing or energy healing, it's about having attention and some emotion in there. Is there emotion involved in this bending spoon, or is it something else? Like I just picture it bending in my mind, and then it happens in reality.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

It's more about sovereignty than anything. See this?

SPEAKER_02 15:07

So for those listening, it's holding up an iPhone.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Okay, so here's the iPhone. Yeah, and with the iPhone, when was the first time that you had any idea of this kind of device?

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Yeah, that was probably the Jetsons cartoon.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so from there, it was imagined, wasn't it? Right. And appeared in Star Trek. Right. So they imagined it, and so it started in the imagination, and then from that imagination, Steve Jobs created the iPhone.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

So then where's the limits? Like I believe at some point in my life, you're talking about being unhypnotized. I believe we're born to be able to walk on water, and yet somewhere along the lines, someone told me I can't. So I feel like I've been hypnotized to believe that I can't walk on water. Right. So, how do I unhypnotize myself to be able to walk on water?

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Well, you see, you can't just unhypnotize yourself to be able to walk on the water because there's too many other people who are non-believers around you to influence you.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

So back to young, it's a yeah, it's a collective consciousness idea, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Right. And so as far as you can get out of there, and I guess we'll use a Kleenex for this. So here we are in the matrix, right? And you can poke your head up out of the matrix a little bit like that, right, and get above the crowd, but as long as everybody else stays where they are, you're not going very far. If you bring everybody up at the same time, there are no limits.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Interesting. So, and that's true in and anything from Bitcoin to trading stocks as well. It's that that hive mind idea. Yeah. That's that's interesting. And then I think Greg Braden talked about something similar. He called it the divine matrix, this tapestry that we're all part of, and we can influence other parts of the tapestry, which are other people, which is part of us, yeah, through emotion. That's the that's the divine language, it feels like.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

That's one way you can just give them cash too.

unknown 17:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Yeah, give them cash, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Most people are building somebody else's dream because somebody gave them some money to do it and they gave up their own dream.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

So is giving someone else money giving up your dream?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

No, like no, I mean, like when you go and work for somebody else, right? When you take on their mission and their thing, you're building their dream. Right. You're not building your dream. You're building their dream. You gave up on yours and you're building theirs. Makes sense. Yeah, when you get into the hypnosis business, you start building your own dream.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Right. Now, going back to your dream is the outside in theory. And what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

The outside in okay, so when you are outside in, you give up your sovereignty to outside authority. So instead of making decisions for yourself, you're told what to do from outside authority. So a doctor, as soon as a doctor walks into a room with a stethical stethoscope on him, we give him expert authority over us and we listen to him, and we don't question what he tells us. It's a trance, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Right. Right. So I get it. And then we go back to that effect of multiple people believing something. So let's talk about that cancer patient. They want to heal from inside out.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

And then we have the doctor who feels like he has extra influence in this situation. Like if we all are voting on the outcome, and then one person believes, and yet the doctor feels like he has two votes in the situation almost.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Yeah.

unknown 19:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Now there's people who have been told by the doctor that they've only got a few months to live. Right. I've had clients like that. Um, one of them had three months left to live, and her son just passed away from uh fentanyl overdose. And she came to me and she didn't want to believe him. And so because she didn't want to believe him and came to me and trust me instead, I became the new expert for her.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I see.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

The doctor, she ignored him, and she went on. I got uh I got a uh a message from her, I guess, boyfriend, husband, Tomin-law husband, right? That at the time they were broke up, and he was telling me that what happened is they got back together and he got to enjoy six more years with her.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

And the cancer that um she overcame wasn't the one that took her out, she ended up with breast cancer. If you um are into books like the um The Body Keeps the Score, right, that kind of stuff, then breast cancer comes down to uh losing the ability to parent, the mothering ability. And when her son passed, that was she lost that ability. So she probably should have come back to me for that before that got too far. But I don't know, she was busy doing other things, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Yeah, and that's interesting. Going back to the analogy of voting, and the doctor seems like he has two votes. It's almost like she's the one that gives out the votes.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

So she took the votes from the doctor and then gave them to you so you can help influence that's your sovereignty, and that's what people do, is they give their power to outside sources. A doctor can't heal you. Right. The only person that can heal you is you.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Which is crazy to think about in the Western world. It's funny because I just had this nice Indian family over this weekend, and they're talking about in India, at least years ago, there were no hospitals. When they came here to the States, they were shocked that there's these big buildings where sick people go. In India, it's either you're alive or you're dead. Okay. And for a the longer Time they had the great health records. Like they were once some of the longest living people on earth until Coca-Cola started coming over there, and McDonald's and and Bank of America.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Pesticide companies and all that.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

Yeah, all the other Western influences. And then it's funny, the the East is becoming like the West. And then meanwhile, a lot of Westerners are now trying to become like the East.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Well, yeah. You guys down there. I'm in Canada here, so we're different. Oh, yeah. Down there, you guys are starting to go after these companies that are putting toxic chemicals into our food and eliminate them.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Supposedly.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Supposedly, yeah. Well, what a politician says and what he does can be two different things, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:46

So Right, yeah. It's interesting. Uh so when you're talking influence and sovereignty, I've heard about, you know, we talk about things, pesticides and things, and we talk about frequencies, like healing frequencies. Is it possible to change water to like clean it and purify it through frequency? You know, like influence it with energy.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Dr. Himoto or something like that is his name. Uh something along those lines.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Oh, the one that labeled the water?

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Yeah.

unknown 23:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah. Put love and hate on them. And the water with the love on it had these awesome uh yeah. Uh when he froze it, they had these awesome like snowflake kind of designs to them, whereas the one with hate all had they they looked ugly. Yeah, yeah. And and that's extreme. Like, and we're like 98% water. And so, yeah, that vibration that we have. Um now inside of us, when we suppress and give up our sovereignty, it's not just that. We we give up our our ability to love in our internal love, and we start searching for love outside of us.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

So you said the two key words there. One, you're talking about frequency, and then in my mind, I was like, okay, what's the highest frequency? And then you just mentioned love like three times. So is love the highest frequency?

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Love is the highest frequency. And um if you can hear my guitar, love is the open string.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

It sounded so muted. I heard a little boing, and then just there's no vibration in it because of zoom and its filters here.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah, okay. So now when we suppress it, we change our frequency. Is it hate? So hate is that noise right there. If I'm talking, can you still hear it?

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Uh, sometimes a little bit, it doesn't sound normal.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah, so the open string is love, and when you suppress that string, when you suppress it, you know, this might be um joy up here, right? This this might be hope in here, but if down here you're getting into your fear, your sadness, your anger, your hate, your rage, and that kind of stuff. And the more you suppress your that part of you, because when you have those negative emotions, that means you're suppressing your love. So your raw, authentic note, who you are as a being, you are a being of love and light.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

So, what if a person feels that hate? So, do we what do we do with that hate? Like you talk about if we suppress it, we're suppressing love. So we get this emotion bubbling up that feels like hate.

unknown 25:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Where do we go with that?

SPEAKER_00 25:53

That hate is when you are suppressing your love. So you're already suppressing when you're hating. And so the only way to get the only way to get over that is to release it and let it go.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

And how does one release this hate?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Well, release fear. First of all, you can't do it in your normal, everyday awake state because you have all these cognitive biases in the way, and your body is designed to keep homeostasis, it wants to keep everything the same. If your life is horrible, and you think that you want to change your life and get this better thing over here, that uncertainty of what's going to happen, getting that, yeah, is too much for your nervous system to handle. And so it will self-sabotage and keep you doing the same thing over and over again. That's why people have such a problem changing, is that you're trying to do it in an awake state and you can't. Your body won't let you, your whole mind won't let you. It's not designed to do that, it's designed to resist change. If I if I came and told you this is what you need to change about yourself, right? You're gonna resist whatever everything I say. You know, you tell a person, uh, your friend, you know, this is wrong with you, and that's wrong. That's how many friends have you ever changed doing that?

SPEAKER_02 27:25

I feel like for me it's been more effective to ask questions. Right, but if you tell somebody that they know if you tell someone, yeah, then um there's that resistance.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Yeah, it's called the rebel reflex.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

The rebel reflex, yeah. So how one part is there's two people here that I'm wondering if they're listening. One part is how do we help others that need that love? So that's one part. The other part is for those people that feel that they need love and they're holding on to hate, how do they let go of the hate so that they can feel love?

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Well, you need to be hypnotized for that. When you are hypnotized, you bypass those critical functions of the mind. So the rebel reflex is gone. And of course, you have to have that uh trust, uh, no like and trust your um your hypnotist that you're working with. You have to have rapport, and when you have that and you see them as the expert and you follow their instructions, and then you go in a trance, and then the subconscious is ready to let go of all this stuff. And I use yeah, I use um content-free techniques. If you're familiar with uh Carl Smith's uh emotional detox, I do something like that, but I've expanded on it because I found that um there were still a lot of strings people had, um, connections with other people, toxic connections that they had, expectations, um the forgiveness and stuff like that. Right. And so we do a round of string cutting. Okay, I've added that too, and grief is another one where you can't just let that go. And so grief and grief is anything that you lost, and it can be um if people who lose their hair, right? So it could be your keys, it could be money. So somebody who's got a gambling addiction, you gotta take care of that grief because they grieve that money and they want it back, and so instead of accepting the loss, what they do is they go back and they try to spend more money to win that money back when they lose more money, more grief, and it keeps compounding. And so when you let go of the grief, grief is when you get stuck in grief, it's like being stuck in quicksand, right? Right. And you the stronger, the more you struggle with uh grief, the more it pulls you in.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

And so the I imagine shame is similar to that. Like you could get stuck in the quicksand of shame.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

You can, yeah. And so when you accept those losses, that's what you have to do. You have to accept that the reality of your situation. That person's gone. There's nothing I can do. I need to start living my life now, all right? That person would have wanted me to do that.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

And can we go back to the to the hate? So like they come to you, they let go of the hate, and then are they set? Do they can they just go on their merry life and not feel hate again? Or do they have to go to you every time they feel hate?

SPEAKER_00 30:46

They what you do is you let go of the good and if it's gestalt therapy, it's like that bucket of hate that you've got. So you dump out that bucket of hate. Now, if we do nothing, if we do nothing, then that bucket's ready to be filled up again.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Now, what I do is I take people into the next stage, that's the uh soul realignment.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

We align you with your soul again, and so it's like putting an umbrella up over the bucket. So you empty the bucket and then you put up an umbrella so there's not as much hate coming in.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

You fill the bucket with love, you fill it with something else.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Okay, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Right, that feeling of love. And then what I do is I have you go into your mind and remember a time when you felt love. And I ask your subconscious to take you into your light, and when it does, I can I can see it, I can see the smile come across their face when they step into that light. And a lot of people have told me they'd never even thought to look inside. They've been searching for this 70-year-old ladies telling me that they've never felt love like that before.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

That's that's interesting about the looking inside because my follow-up question was going to be where does love come from?

SPEAKER_00 32:08

It's inside. You're a being of love and light, it's your soul, it's who you are, and love is being your true authentic self. It's not doing things for other people, it's not you know, taking a bullet for somebody. That's not love, that's protection, that's fear. That's a different thing altogether.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

So taking a bullet for someone else is fear?

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Yeah. You can't stand to lose them, you'd rather lose you instead of them.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

And what else? How would you define love?

SPEAKER_00 32:52

All the guys, all the people who were jumping in front of Trump when he was getting shot there. How many of them people loved them?

SPEAKER_02 33:01

I think they loved money or identity. Yeah, yeah. Or identity is I'm the hero, you know, like they have some kind of status about that. Like, I'm the guy that protects the president, you know? Like their title.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Yeah, when it's a guy, we say we'll take a bullet, but how many people have been in that situation where they need to defend somebody like that? Right now, if you're in a shootout and you're hiding in a corner and you've got your wife and kids with you, you yeah, you're the first one, and then all them behind you, so you're the only one that gets it. And yeah, you can do that, but that that is um survival, having your kids survive, your lineage survive, that that is a huge instinct. That's not necessarily love, that can be more instinctual, it can be love, but that whole idea of love is who you are at your core, you are a being of love and light.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

And how does one know that they are love? How does one know that they're feeling love and not something else? Like maybe you mentioned joy and then happiness, these are things that aren't the full open string. So, how do they how does a person know they're the open string?

SPEAKER_00 34:24

If you're feeling joy, you're getting pretty close to that. And um the idea that you have to distinguish between is this joy or love, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Yeah, both both are pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Yeah, it's pretty good, yeah. Yeah, instead of being depressed and sad, yeah, you're up here anyways, right? Um to get the exact where you are on that when it comes to life and and subjecting yourself to other people in the world, and it's your how you feel with all your interactions, all that stuff coming at you. How do you feel about that stuff? Right. If you get if you're doing if you can scroll through your Facebook feed and it's neutral, you're doing pretty good. Yep. That's stress when you scroll through Facebook, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Um, that is stress, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

But all those things that anger you are where you need to do the work.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

And to do the work, they should come see you to get hypnotized, or is there another path?

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Uh there's lots of hypnotiz hypnotists out in the world other than me, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Um I don't know if they all agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

You know, no, they're not all gonna agree with me. Some will say you don't have a soul, right? Some will say, well, where's the science to back that up? Right. And you know, where's the science to back it up that you don't have a soul? You know, there is no science that science can't determine that because it's it's like the imagination. How do you know the imagination is real? I did a video about imagination, and my first comment on there was that it wasn't real. I'm just making it up, and it's like that's what imagination is, right? But the imagination is almost fifth dimensional, right? It's not it's not third dimension, right? Because this is the 3D world right here, and so that's a different dimension in our imagination, in our mind, and we can go there and we can look at the world and we can create different scenarios. Say you want to have a conversation with somebody, you can create different scenarios. If I talk about this, how is it gonna turn out? And you can pretend you're having a conversation with somebody and work out how that's gonna work. Oh, that's not gonna work, and then you and make your changes and fine-tune things so that you get it right before you actually have to do it. Now, if you look at sports and stuff like that, um they've done studies. I think it was basketball, where they're doing the the three-pointer shots, yep, and they had people just doing the practice, um, people visualizing only, and people um visualizing and practicing. And the people who visualized and did the practice were, of course, a lot better than the other two groups. And I forget who's second and third. I'm gonna have to look that study up so I got it fresh in my mind for next time.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Yeah, I remember it's the University of Chicago that did that. Okay, and yeah, it's interesting. They're creating it shows the neuroplasticity, they're creating those networks through the power of imagination.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

Yeah.

unknown 37:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

So so how can anybody say the imagination doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Right. I think it's a lot of times it feels like people just getting a beef over the word we use. Even this word love, you know, it in the Bible has like seven or eight different definitions depending on the Greek or the Hebrew, and then people get all wrapped up and it's just like just be. You know, just drop the beef and just be.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Well, they can't because I I believe it's misleading on purpose. They don't want everybody all on the same page on what love is.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Who is misleading? Like, who who's out there misleading people on love?

SPEAKER_00 38:39

Where did it start from? In the Bible, for one. The Bible didn't nail it down and say this is what love is, right? Right. And why not? Like why not nail that down and say get everybody on the same page and everybody thinking the same thing instead of leaving it out there, it's this thing, the abstract idea that you can make it anything you want. So I can I can I could put a little kid on my lap and I can spank them really hard ten times and call that love. Sure. That's not love.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

Uh not really. I mean, but if you if there is no rules on it, you can call anything love. Right. Even that war, right? And killing other people. Doing that out of love. Right. No, it's not love.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

So then what is love? You talk you say it's the open string. What how would you define love?

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Love is your core, it's your soul. It's who you are at the core of your being.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

And it's great, you know, you leaning in and smiling at the camera and saying that, like, I believe it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

I believe it. And my clients, when they go through this process, they believe it too. Right, right. Because they feel it, they they they go through this. We have to release the emotions before you can feel the love. Once they've released those emotions and done that work, and then we take the journey into their light, and they step into that feeling of love, all of a sudden they can start feeling that love, and then they remember all the times that they actually felt love throughout their life. They start remembering that. And once once they do that, I mean, there's there's no going back. No going back.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

All right. So now I'm wondering before, you know, as we're wrapping up here, like you said a lot, we got the outside in theory, we're talking about love, we're talking about your conferences, uh, we're talking about your your no context, uh, being able to help cut the strings. So, right now, for the people that are listening, watching, is there a message that's bubbling up in your heart that you want people to know? Like what's what's the main thing that you feel like you want to tell people?

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Be yourself.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

Be yourself.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Yeah. If you can be yourself, that is what love is. Because everything's a reflection of what's inside. Once you love yourself, you love everybody else. And you can't truly love other people until you love yourself. And if you got hate on your hurt, then once you lose that, you can love again.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

The rest is groovy.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Yeah. Yeah, that's the biggest mess. Love yourself, be yourself, love yourself. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

Jeff, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate your time.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Oh, thanks for having me on. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this stuff and get the word out more because hey, not everybody learned not everybody knows about this.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

That's right. That's right. Yeah, a lot of people know about eight. Now a lot of people know what real love is.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Yeah, and coming from a guy like me, I grew up in uh bands, thrash bands, and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Played a lot of Slayer and Metallica, they called me a Satanist and stuff like that. Yeah, going up. And it's like, if I can get to this place, so can you. Right. Yeah, because I had to come a long way to get from there to who I am now.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Well, you're you're a beautiful human being, and I'm so glad you got to where you are now.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

Well, thanks a lot, and yeah, really appreciate that. And the work that you're doing with everybody, too. That's amazing. I I see you doing a lot of this stuff. I've seen your comments in some of the hypnosis groups, and yeah, it's fun.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

I like exploring, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

I wish I wish more people were more like you.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

I wish more people were like you too.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Well, thanks.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

All right, thank you so much, Jeff.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

All right, thanks, Ryan. Take care.