Born to Lead
Born to Lead is a Christ-centered leadership podcast dedicated to helping young adults rise with confidence, purpose, and spiritual conviction. Inspired by the mission of our Born to Lead organization, this podcast highlights leaders who model discipleship in the way they speak, serve, and influence the world around them. Each episode features interviews with men and women who honor Jesus Christ through their leadership—individuals who use their voices with intention, compassion, and courage, striving to lead as He would lead. These conversations are designed to uplift, train, and inspire the next generation of Christ-centered leaders to step forward and speak with power and purpose.
Born to Lead
S1 E10: Becoming Enough: Leading with Worth, Faith, and Courage with Leisa Wallace
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What if true leadership isn’t about doing more—but remembering who you already are?
In this powerful episode, hosts Connie Sokol and Madison Lattin sit down with Leisa Wallace—author, speaker, and 2025 National Business Advisor of the Year—to explore what it really means to lead with confidence, purpose, and unshakable self-worth. From overcoming the challenges of multiple sclerosis to helping women build businesses rooted in identity instead of productivity, Leisa shares deeply personal experiences and transformative insights.
Together, we discuss:
- Why confidence comes from doing, not perfection
- The difference between confidence and covenant confidence
- How to discover your core identity and lead from it
- The power of community, collaboration, and asking for help
- Finding strength, purpose, and even gratitude in life’s hardest trials
Lisa’s message is a reminder that leadership isn’t about titles or achievements—it’s about lifting others, trusting God, and knowing your inherent worth.
You were born to lead—so how will you live it?
Lisa Wallace is an author, speaker, and business advisor for the Women's Business Center of Utah and the 2025 National Business Advisor of the Year. After her own life came to an unexpected halt, Lisa began reimagining success, not as striving, but as remembering. Her work now helps women untangle their worth from their productivity and rebuild lives and businesses anchored in peace, purpose, and unshakable worth. She believes life isn't about doing more. It's about coming home to who you've been all along. You can find her online at authorlisawallace.com or on Instagram at Chronically ThrivingLisa. Welcome to Born to Lead. We're your hosts, Connie Sokel and Madison Latin.
SPEAKER_02And we are so thrilled to have today a wonderful guest, Lisa Wallace. Lisa, thank you so much for being with us. I am so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. We cannot wait to share you with these beautiful young adults because they do not know how amazingly talented, gifted, and helpful you are for any venture that they're gonna want to move forward. So we want to jump right in so they can see how can I lead better and what resources are out there and how can I better use them. So, Maddie?
SPEAKER_01So we're gonna just jump right into the first question. Lisa, for your many years of experience in the Women's Business Center of Utah, what are some of the biggest leadership struggles for women that you've noticed?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, thank you for asking. The number one leadership struggle is women not knowing their worth. They usually see a problem and want to solve it, which is great and you should, but they don't know why they want to solve that problem. They don't know what about themselves is being pulled in that direction. I always talk about the core of who they are. Figure out the core of who you are. And then no matter what you do, you're always going to be able to go through the highs and lows of business. I specialize in helping women start and grow their businesses. And when you know that you love to be a public speaker because you have such faith in other people, you know your message is going to uplift and shine with them, then you can survive the highs and lows of that. If you know that you love to paint pictures because you have this core of sharing creativity with the world and uplifting the world through photos, no matter what you do, you have that core to hang back onto. And so when women know why they're doing what they're doing, you can they can go a lot further. They know how to pay themselves, they know how to work with other people. They know that it isn't just providing a product or service, it's helping create value in the world.
SPEAKER_02I love that so much. And you were so right. And that value, once they see it in themselves, they can then transfer that into the person that they're working with, whether it's a project or whether they're leading or mentoring or working alongside someone. I love that so much. And you do that beautifully. And I know you have a book coming out. We're gonna talk about it a little bit later, but about being able to find that value and that worth. And it seems like it's a soft skill, right? Or that trait that is woven through everything you do. And it kind of piggybacks on that next question that we want to ask you. You are a business advisor, a fabulous one, on the Women's Business Center of Utah, and you have so many resources at this business center. There's leadership coaching, there's courses, there's so many things. What are some of the tips and tools that you can offer these students, these young adults? They're like, I want to move something forward, but I don't know my next step, and I don't know how to do a mission plan, and I don't know how to do, you know, XYZ. What's the best next steps for them, or what tips and tools do you have for using those resources?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you asked. So I do work with the Women's Business Center of Utah, and our whole goal and purpose is to help women start and grow businesses. And right now, all our services are free, and we have one-on-one advising. Both of our advisors, which are me and Sarah Barso, who lives in Moab, we are business owners. So we get it. We've been where you are, or we have one-on-one business advising. We have courses and classes that are taught virtually over across the whole state. So no matter where you're at, you can hop on the computer and take these virtual classes with us and be with other women who I like, I kind of like to call it your same kind of crazy who have these big dreams and goals because you don't often find that around you, right? Um, people with the same big, huge aspirations. And you uplift each other, you help brainstorm with each other, you help each other pivot. And you can learn business almost anywhere. Like take an online class, right? But being with other women and uplifting other women, that's the goal of what we have, is being with each other. I love President Hinckley's wife, Marjorie. She says, Oh, women, how we need each other. I love that quote so much because we do, we need each other. We do things differently than men. It's part of our divine traits, right? And we need each other. And when you can find that in a working group, it is, like I said, is cold.
SPEAKER_02And I love just being together. It's so layered, especially for women. We talk a lot about leading in the feminine way. And the the masculine way is wonderful and it has its place. But as women, when we lead in that feminine way, we tend to be more intuitive. We tend to be lead with relationship questions, or instead of just sit down, get to the agenda, it's how are you doing? How's life going? Because we know that factors into everything that's happening. So I love this when you say just being with women, there's so much that we get that's layered learning, is what I call it, that that you can't put a finger on, but it is gold. It is priceless. So I absolutely love that.
SPEAKER_01Well, and to add on to that, I think being together, having that community, we get to grow our confidence, our worth because we can relate with those around us. And we're actually finding that one of the biggest struggles both young women and also young men face in leadership right now is confidence. So, what are some leadership skills that can help increase that confidence?
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's such a good question. And you are right, it is in youth and older generations alike. And I feel like the biggest thing about confidence is working. Like doing it. You are not gonna know how to do it when you step into the dark. You are not gonna know how to do payroll when you've never done payroll before. You are not gonna know how to run a business and be a mom when you've never done it before at the same time, right? And the biggest step you can take to build your confidence is to just do it. Let yourself not be perfect. You do not have to be perfect, ladies. It doesn't matter because you're learning and you're growing, and that is part of being here on earth. And so part of confidence is taking a step in the dark and being okay with the outcome.
SPEAKER_02I love that. And I know I always say I'm an avid B plusser because I just you have to hit B plus on the way to A. But I love that sort of magic school bus methodology of, you know, get messy, make mistakes. And it's easy to say in the moment, but when you're in it and it matters and you're working with people with high stakes or deadlines or people's money, then it feels big. It feels magnified. But I I agree that when you step into that confidence space and you say, I'm gonna take the faith step, then you do your best to collaborate and get all the resources and the help that you can to be as successful as possible. And I know when we did the Born to Lead event, we could have done it with three people, sure, but that would not have worked. So we brought in that student team and we had the adult mentor team. And because we had many hands make light work, when we got the download that we could do the event just three and a half weeks before the event, we had already been preparing as if. And so there was confidence in we'd done the work beforehand. So now we're gonna do it for real. So I love that, that confidence in the doing.
SPEAKER_01And if I could add to that question, how can we help them understand covenant confidence? Because I do feel like confidence and covenant confidence are a little bit different, though they all achieve the same purpose.
SPEAKER_00You know, the first thing I think about is this story of me sitting in a sacrament meeting one day, and the girl got up. She was coming home from her mission, and she says it was a very powerful moment for her when she realized that God loved the person next to her just as much as he loved her. And I think about that all the time. When you think covenant confidence, you're thinking, okay, you know what? I fell apart today. My clients did not get the best of me today, right? But Heavenly Father loves me and he loves them as much as he loves me, which means he's gonna make it work out for them. If I couldn't be my best, it's okay. And that's covenant confidence because you know the Lord is gonna make up the difference. That's why his job is making up the difference, which I love because it makes it easier to not be perfect, but still have confidence that what you're doing matters because you know there's a savior that loves them as much as he loves you.
SPEAKER_02That's so beautiful. I love that. And that just simplifies everything. You just feel the lightning of the load of it's not all on you. And that kind of goes along with this idea of we help each other, right? We're we're there for one another. And this is a safe that you a space that you provide at the Women's Center, the Business Center of Utah. And it's also a space that you provide personally. Now, I have been on the other end and receiving those services at the WBC, and it is fantastic, I can tell you that. And at pivotal moments, especially, she has been right there to help me know what switch point I need to move. So, on that note, you recently received a very prestigious national award for Business Advisor of the Year. Only one is chosen, and our Lisa was chosen. And a really special experience happened with that that goes along with this line of being a servant leader, watching, helping each other, being there for each other, more than just here, go fill out your mission statement. So, can you share not only what that meant to you to receive that award and what things had to go into that of being a leader, but also that experience that you had in Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER_00Some of you know, many of you don't. I have multiple sclerosis, which means a lot of things. One of it means it's really scary for me to travel on my own. But they called me, they said I was nominated for this award. So I went out to DC by myself. It is a budget cut year, and so they sent me out and I went to this conference and I'm alone, right? And I'm sitting in the conference room and it's getting kind of hot. So heat really affects multiple sclerosis. It affects my ability to walk and talk and move, and I start shaking. And so I'm sitting here in this room and I was like, oh my gosh, okay, it's getting really hot in here, but that's okay, it's okay. And then they start calling up the nominees for this award, and they're calling us up one by one, which means my adrenaline is kicking in. And adrenaline is also it's a it's stress, even though it's exciting stress, but stress is also really hard on somebody who has multiple sclerosis. And so I was thinking to myself, oh, okay, it's okay. I have my cane, I can walk up there. So I start walking to the stage, and I get to the stage and they don't have a ramp. And I realize I cannot lift my legs to go up the two stairs to the stage. That my adrenaline and the heat have kicked in and my legs will not move. They are cement. So I look at these stairs and I look at the stage and I look at these stairs and I'm like, okay, and you know, you just say a prayer, you grab onto the railing, and at the top of this, these two little stairs, it wasn't even that high. Um, was the woman given the award? And she immediately saw me, grabbed onto me, and helped pull me onto that stage. Um, she held on to me the whole time. When they went to give me the award, they announced my name. Of course, I burst out sobbing. It was such an honor, which sobbing also affects a mess. So by then I'm like shaking. I can't talk, I can't walk. I crying and I feel so honored. But I go to reach for the award and I am sh like my body's in like these full-body tremors. She is literally holding me up on that stage and she takes the award for me. She holds it where they start taking pictures and everything, all that stuff, and and I was so grateful for her. She did not know what was up with me, she had no idea. She saw me and she saw the need, and she just went to action and she was my angel that day. She doesn't know it, but she was there, she saw, she like fit the need, and then she just stayed with me until um I got off the stage and back to my seat. And I was just so grateful for her. And I think that's what we need in this world is women seeing other women, women just seeing people and stepping in without being asked. And I was just, her name is Classy. Um, and she was, she was just that classy holding me up. Isn't that the sweetest? Um, and I'm so grateful for her.
SPEAKER_02So apropos classy, because that was so classy. And that awareness, I think, as leaders, and I think that's one of the hallmarks of your leadership, Lisa, is because of your illness and those things, you have been able to develop even more awareness of other people and a sensitivity and a compassion to where people are because yes, they're gonna come, and this is a leadership issue. They're gonna come and ask, I don't know how to get this project done, I don't know how to do this mission statement. But really, what they're saying is, I'm scared, I'm I'm in over my head, I've got three kids at home and I don't know how I'm gonna pay rent. They have things that are on their mind and heart, and this ability to see people as people and be aware of the deeper levels, these nuances. That's what a a stellar leader, a stellar servant leader does. And that's why you got that national award. And that to me is what separates good leaders and extraordinary leaders because they really go dig deep into that deeper level. So, congratulations, that's incredible. Well, thank you for saying that so much.
SPEAKER_01And if I could add to going into that deeper level, I do believe ingrained in each all each and every one of us is that compassion, is that awareness to others? We have to choose to actually develop it more and become better leaders ourselves. And something I've noticed about leaders is they are really, really good at making the best out of difficult situations. Like that woman, she was able to notice a difficult situation and just go out of her way to help you out. Lisa, what are some difficult situations or challenges that you have had that you had to make the best best of it?
SPEAKER_00Well, one, multiple sclerosis. It was a really sudden aggressive onset thing. I was a teacher at the time. I had to quit teaching. But at the same time, that's when it really got me thinking about okay, if I can't do what I always did, what can I do? And this is the thing about awards and positions and titles and accomplishments, they can all be taken away. In fact, next year my national award is gonna be taken away. It's gonna be given to somebody else, right? But the core of who I am will never change. My faith in other people and in God and in myself is never gonna change. My courage is never gonna change. My creativity, it is there forever, right? And so when you know that core of who you are, it just clarifies everything. Just everything. It helps you get through those difficult positions because you're not relying on accomplishments to dictate who you are. You're relying on your relationship with God and who He created you to be.
SPEAKER_02Is there an experience that comes to mind where you're like, I'm so glad I know who I am because I was able to get through that knowing that?
SPEAKER_00You know, I this is the one I always think of when people ask me. One day I was in so much pain, but I'm out walking and I I was just crying to Heavenly Father. I talked to him on my morning walks, that's where I meditate, and I was just like, I hurt so bad. Please take this away from me. Please take it away. And I had this very strong image of the savior walking next to me. And that is not uncommon for me. I have conversations like that all the time with the savior, but this time he's not saying anything to me. I just have this vision of him walking next to me all the way home. And I was probably like a half mile home. And by the time I got home, I was pretty like, oh my gosh, can't you just give me some like words of encouragement or something like that? And it really bothered me the whole rest of the day. I'm thinking about this and I'm thinking about this. Like, why would he just walk with me and not and not say anything? I just had this overwhelming thought, Lisa, I am not gonna take this hard thing from you. It is here to help you become who you're meant to be. But I will always walk by you. I will always be by you, no matter the difficulty. And so I think about that all the time. This isn't something he's gonna take away from me, but it is something he gave me to become who I'm meant to be.
SPEAKER_02I love that. And that is such a reality for all of us, right? We just want it away in our Amazon society. We just want it done, give it to someone else, return it right away because it didn't come to our liking. And the fact that sometimes we just have to sit with it or walk with it as it as it were. And along those same lines, you know, I've watched how you have dealt with MS and and it comes on sudden. You have a plan, and then suddenly the plan is out the window. And one of the Christ-centered principles that we talk about is this collaboration, this unity. You know, the savior could have made everything beautiful and established his church perfectly, but what did he do? He had 12 apostles and he was training them as disciples first, right? And all the disciples that followed him and constantly teaching and training and loving patiently. And we know working with other people is a vital thing and it can be a, you know, a good, the bad, and the ugly kind of an experience sometimes. But how have you been able to either to both be able to help others and and help them to be able to get the help they need by being able to collaborate, but also being able to reach out personally when you've needed that help because that's a hard thing, especially for women. And especially when you're a young adult, you're like, okay, they tell me I'm supposed to do this and I don't know if I can ask for help, if they're gonna think I don't know what I'm doing. So on both sides of that coin, can you talk to that about the need to be able to reach out for and receive that help and involve other people in a collaborative way?
SPEAKER_00Yes, because it is so much harder to ask for help than to receive it. So hard. I would go out of my way to help anyone with anything, but when it comes to me needing help, it is very hard. In fact, I'll text my ministering sisters, I'm in the hospital today, but I'm fine. I don't need anything. Just, you know, pray for me.
SPEAKER_02Interjection. I just called her, what, last week? And we were gonna do lunch over Zoom, and I'm like, so hey, and she's like, I'm so sorry. I just have this thing, and I'm like, what's the thing? She's like, well, you know, I'm going to the hospital, but it's not a big deal. I kid you not. That's what she said. Not a big deal. It's mine. I've got it all set. I'm like, hold up. We need to go back to I'm going to the hospital. Anyway, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Uh the funny thing is, I did text my ministering sisters that day because of you, and I said, just so you know. Um, but when you need help, they are the first people you call. You it is so vital that you get to know who your ministering sisters are. Because how can you help them if they don't trust you? And how can you let them help you if you don't trust them?
SPEAKER_02Right. And I'm gonna say for those that are listening that are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that means those neighbors, those watch care people, the people that you know that are your go-to's, but you don't want to bother them because you've already asked them for something once in six years. You know what I mean? So it's those kind of people if that's different for you. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I in fact, a couple of years ago, I was in the hospital. It was very sudden. Well, I was getting a treatment, I stopped breathing, blah, blah, blah. Had ended up in the emergency room. But my husband, he was at work, he was and he works in rural areas. I could not get a hold of him to come get me from the emergency room. So I called my ministering sister, my best friend, another lady in our ward. None of them could come get me, you guys. And finally I had this thought, okay, this is who I need to call. And she wasn't somebody I would normally call, but I called her. She was up there in five minutes. She goes, The funniest thing this morning, the Lord told me you were gonna need my help today, and I've been planning my day around it. She was that in tune with the spirit. She's like, I knew you were gonna need me. I didn't know what for, but I've been waiting.
SPEAKER_02That's goals.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_02To be of service like that. Oh my gosh, and that's how we do it. Go ahead, keep going.
SPEAKER_00I would have never dared ask her if I hadn't also served her before, which is kind of funny, but um that's how you get to know people. When you serve people, you get to know them on a very intimate level. And now she knows me on a very intimate level. And I am not afraid to call them over when I am in my pajamas, in bed, can't walk, dishes are dirty, laundry's not folded, because it doesn't matter to them. They love me. And I know that I don't have to put on a show for them. But you only get that kind of love and service when you ask for help and let others give it to you.
SPEAKER_02I love that so much. And like you said, it breaks down those barriers and it opens hearts. And suddenly, someone who was like, I get to wave to her every now and then, suddenly you know backstory and suddenly you're connected. Leadership is love. It's yes, we have something we're getting accomplished, but that's not the most important thing ever. It's how we've grown, how we've connected in the process because that's what stays is the relationships.
SPEAKER_01Oh, well, I just wanted to add a little bit. I think it really takes that humility that we have to learn when we think of humble. People think, oh, I have to not be so selfish, not be all this these things. But it is selfish if you're not asking for help. When you need the help that you need. And that goes into the problem solving that we have to leaders, they problem solve. They go through the difficult situations, find the best things, but also it takes that humility to find those blessings from God. Maybe He is giving you a this difficult situation so that you can learn and grow and receive the blessings. So can you elaborate more on the blessings that you have seen through your trials that you've gone through as a leader?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. This is such a great question because I mean you find blessings every single day. Gratitude is one of the best things a leader can ever, ever do is just be grateful for all the little things. As a leader with my MS, I have found that I am so less judgmental. If somebody is having a hard day, I let them have a hard day and I do not try to fix it. In fact, I don't try to fix anything in their business. I give them the resources and tools to fix it themselves. And I think that's what the savior does, and that's how the savior teaches too. Um, and my clients are not all LDS, right? And so when you're working with people of a lot of faiths and belief systems, as a leader, you need to see what they can't see in themselves and help them see it. And that's really what all I try to do is help them see what they can do themselves and then give resources. Like, okay, you need to learn how to do a break-even point spreadsheet. You got this. Here are resources. We have the tools to help you, and you can absolutely learn this. That is where the leadership comes in is seeing people for who they are and helping them see that themselves, lifting those hands that hang down so that they can see the truth. Even if they aren't of our same belief system, truth is truth no matter who you are. Absolutely. And truth works, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And in long game, it always works. I love this so much and kind of playing off of this as well of MS and these things, this is not a perfect scenario. This isn't, well, I'll wait until I have all my ducks in a row and then I will move this thing forward and it will be successful. It doesn't, I've never talked to someone, interviewed someone that has said that. It's always been, like you said earlier, is you get it in the doing. You take the face step and you get it in the doing. What advice do you have for especially these young adults that are coming up against obstacles? So you've had the MS, they're gonna have something else. It's gonna be self-conf lack of self-confidence, or it's gonna be a lack of resources or a lack of time or a lack of ability or capacity or a variety of things. Do you have a Christ-centered principle or do you have something that comes to mind, maybe even a situation where you had a huge obstacle or you were down and you were not gonna continue or not gonna keep going? What is something that helped you move forward? What's something you can tell these young adults? Try this when you're at that breaking point or when you don't think you can move forward?
SPEAKER_00This is such a great question. And I'm actually gonna kind of slip out of my MS phase into my teenage phase. Because when I was a teenager, I actually I fell 30 feet when I was 15. Well, it was right before my 16th birthday, and I shattered everything. My arm, my blank, my face, everything, right? And I didn't realize I was I had a hard time. It was hard being pulled from school. It was hard not being able to walk, having to do therapy at such a young age. And um I had always said my prayers, but during this time, I didn't want to tell anyone, even the Lord, how what a hard time I was having. But I also loved to read, and I loved the scriptures, which I know is a funny thing. So I still read the scriptures every day. So even though I wasn't talking to the Lord, he was talking to me every day. And it wasn't until years later when I was reflecting back on okay, what did keep me so strong during such a hard time? Because I wasn't praying, I wasn't, I didn't go to church when I was in the hospital, right? I wasn't renewing those covenants. And I love how the spirit talks to you and says, you know what, Lisa, you survived that because of the scriptures. Turn to the scriptures when you are having a hard time, turn to the scriptures, and it doesn't even have to be for an answer that day. It just has to keep you in tune with the savior. Because I wouldn't say that he that I knew of he gave me answers, but looking back, I know that's what made me strong. When you're going through a hard time, don't just sit in the hard time alone. Sitting it with the savior, right? And in the scriptures.
SPEAKER_02Wow. I love that. Don't sit in that hard time alone. I love that.
SPEAKER_01It kind of makes me reflect upon a past experience I had in my life, and I just felt so low, so low, so depressed. And I was thinking of everything that was going wrong and why God would do something like that to me. And then all of a sudden I had a thought from the spirit was like, why would you wait here and think of all the negative things when you could be finding the blessings from this trial? And that thought had never occurred to me. That was that wasn't my own thought. And I started thinking about all of the blessings that came from the trial I was going through. And to this day, it's been about four or five years. I am still counting those blessings and realizing because I went through that hard thing, I now have all these amazing things because God was so gracious to give that trial to me. And I'm sure you found that with your injury, with your fall.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And I'm that's such a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that. Being low is it's a hard thing to share with other people. Also, I know through this experiences, a lot of people say, oh, well, you don't have a perfect body. And by the world's means, I don't, but I have a body created by God to make me become who I meant to be, right? So if you look at it that way, my body is perfect. It was perfect when I fell, it's perfect now because it is what is gonna help me become more like my savior. And I'm so grateful for that. So grateful for my perfect body. Um good, so good.
SPEAKER_01That is incredible. And Lisa, we want to ask you a final question along the lines of being born to lead. And we feel like a lot of people have their own definitions or meanings of what it means to be born to lead. So, Lisa, can you share to us what it means to you to be born to lead?
SPEAKER_00I always assumed that leadership meant you were the one in charge. My older sister, she's in charge, right? You go to a family party still to this day. She's the one organizing things, she's the one telling you what to do. Even we had a party last week and I was like, I don't know, ask Heidi, right? That's what I grew up thinking a leader was. And when I got to positions where they put me in charge, I realized I do not like being in charge. And I learned that leading is also being the helper. Leading is the one, like, I know what my strengths are. Let me use those. Let me use my strengths. Organizing people, yeah, I can do it. I'm probably okay adequate at it. But what I love is being with the women. What I love is helping them realize that, hey, you can do this. What I love is sitting beside someone when they're having a really hard time. I tell our least society president all the time, yeah, I'll make somebody dinner, but what I really, really, really am good at is letting them cry to me. I wish you were closer.
SPEAKER_02This has been amazing, and I'm so grateful. I know that listeners are getting so many things from this. I got get it in the doing that we talk about, let it not be perfect, take the faith step, reach out and collaborate, receive and turn to the scriptures. So many good things. So I know people are gonna want to find you. Where's the best places to find you? And plus your new book that's out about the value of women. What's the best place to reach you?
SPEAKER_00Uh, you can reach me at my website is authorleasawallais.com, or you can get free resources and things about how to implement hope strategies into your life, especially when everything has fallen apart. That's kind of what I look at is when life is not what you expected it to be, how to hold back on to hope, how to remember your worth. And so authorlisawallace.com or on Instagram at Chronically Thriving Lisa. And you're right, I do have a book called The Ultimate Act of Being Enough. And it is about how to remember your worth when everything has fallen apart. Hope that holds, worth that lasts, so that no matter what's going on in life, you can remember that you're a daughter of God, that you're a son of God, and that never changes.
SPEAKER_01That is so beautiful. Oh my goodness. Well, thank you so much, Lisa, for joining us. Oh my gosh, it's been so great. And thank you for our listeners listening and learning all these incredible pieces of advice from these amazing leaders like Lisa. Until next time, knowing that you are born to lead, how will you live as leaders for him?