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I'm Ava. And I'm Abby. And you're listening to Enders Afters.

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Each week we use East Enders hot topics to chat about our real worlds. And then just have a good gossip.

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Welcome to the open. Woo!

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Woo!

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Guys, you may or may not have noticed, but we're re-jigging the podcast a little bit. Don't worry, EastEnders fans. We're still talking about our favourite show, EastEnders. But we just want to open it up a bit and connect with you guys that may not watch the show every week or at all. Not judging. But um, yeah, so you might just get to know us a bit more.

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Yeah, bringing in our real worlds a little bit more, still touching on then topics, but just a little bit more about us because we know that that's what you want.

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We like to get deep, deep, deep, deep.

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Exactly. So welcome! How are you? So, anyway, what's your week been saying?

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Oh, I've had a brilliant week. I was at Southwalk, South Walk, Southport weekender, down in Bogneregius.

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I know, Gorge. I know. Tell other people what it is for those that don't know.

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A music festival, it's in Butlins, so I was like living out my buttland childhood dream. I never got to do it.

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Did you not? No. I don't know if I ever did butlins to be fair, but I definitely did a good caravan pub.

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My cousin did it, and I was so jealous. Like people in my like primary school did it, and I was always like, Oh my god.

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I never I never done any other whole. I don't know if I actually done buttons, but I'd definitely done a good a lot of a poor man's buttons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think the Fogner Regis one is like the most famous buttons. The buttons of all the buttons. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh my god. But yeah, it's like a music festival, electronic music, amazing DJs, the vibes of one of the best week I've ever had.

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It's like an old school vibe, isn't it? Old school vibes. Original ravens.

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Yeah, original ravens, everyone's like late, whatever, 40. I think my mum might have been. I know.

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I said this to you ten times, but I think my mum might have been.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Yeah, I could probably caught her in the crowd. No, not last weekend in the past. Yeah, well, people go religiously. People just dance. It's none of this, like people so self-conscious these days. People are just letting go and dance.

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I think I'm gonna have to come with you next week.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

You have to come. We'll get a little buttlands. It was challet. Yeah, it was challet, yeah. It was great. It was always a great. What about you?

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I have been to a buttlands before. I've been to one of them Butlands weekenders when I but I was like 18 and went to a bugged out. Oh my god, I was like literally 18. Drove up there, it was snowing, so I drove through the snow to get there because commitment when you're that age, do you know what I mean? And it was a great weekend as well. But my week, what have I been up to? What have I been up to? Just went to a poetry night last night.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

How was that?

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Yeah, it's good. Um it was like basically there's a poetry night on the scene, and they basically try and bring poetry to people that don't do poetry.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Do poetry. So they tell me I won't tie up that.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Yeah, well they well, they you'd actually love this night because it's called Singers versus Poets. The night's called Spit Night, but I just want to also shout out the one my own the own poetry that I'm working with. No Poets Palace. I feel like I can't bring up Spit Knights and not plug Poets Palace. If you want a good poetry night, you get to Poets Palace. But anyway, Spit Knights.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

No, but guys, Abby hosted a Poets Palace, which is a event poetry night, but it was your night, her verse, where you curated some sick women for Women International Women's Day. They all did such varied poems, but it was all the core was like how sick and shit it is to be a woman at the same time. Yeah, we love each other, but the world ain't set up for us, and they were all like their vibes were all amazing, went there. Top tier.

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I was in awe of all of them. But yeah.

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But yeah, so this one the other poetry night, it's called Spit Night. So do we care about that one now? Yeah, literally.

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No, so they're what they do is amazing. Spitz like spitting, like spitting.

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Oh, I thought it was a bit rude. I thought God, what freaking shit happens in there?

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But do you know what's beautiful about the poetry scene is every poetry night has its own vibe, and the vibe of this one is a bit more of like a night out-ish, not like maybe like party party night out, but like serious kind of sit and listen. Yeah, and it's for new people that like don't even like poetry, don't necessarily want to write poetry. Wow. Um so it's called Singers versus Poets, this one version of the one they do, and it's basically you have loads of improv singers as well, and like someone will do a poem, and then someone comes on stage and like sings improv about what they got, and then they have this like round where one of the improv singers will someone from the audience will shout out a genre like garage, and the live band has to start playing garage, and then he'll pick three words from people shouting out in the audience, and he has to make a song or split bars or sing a song with that in. You're that's why I think you'll quite like it. It's it is it's so like the talon I could never but that's why I think you'll like it because a lot of singers, a lot of musicians. Ava's very musical.

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Yeah, I do love it.

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She's a musical girl, um, and then it also like the headliners wasn't just poets, there was a poet and a singer.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Wow, that sounds we're going to the next one, actually.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

You're like that. That sounds amazing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Where was it?

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In bar 90 in Hackney, you know the one.

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Yeah.

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By the river since that's what I mean. They've blown quite big there, they've a massive, it was hundred, a few hundred people there. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 5:26

So you enjoyed it.

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Yeah, I did. I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

That was like when I was in um Southport weekend, I saw like, you know, and you find new DJs you haven't seen before, and they just blew me away, like, really musical. A lot of them from like Detroit and New York, where they actually played the like piano. Yeah, and like it was like a show, but then it was like inside your heart, you can feel it inside you. So I found like a lot of new music, which I'm really I love that my heart's broken.

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Oh no, we love our music. Me and Aiva love to party and dance, especially you.

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That's why I always call the afters.

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That's why you're at the afters.

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But when I came back in it, I just carried on because I was on such a high. I put some of the tunes on the USB, we plugged it into the day.

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It's Monday morning, and you I come in and you two was like, Oh no, but I loved that, you just carried on.

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Because it was like, Do you know when it's when you have such a good time when you go to like a festival that you've had such a and also why would you not carry it on? Yeah, and you don't want it to end, and you're like And you didn't have work. You don't want it to go back to reality, and it's like you keep it.

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Keep it going.

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I feel like I've just recovered, so I'm back on the old Volca lime sodas.

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But back on the Volca lime sodas, back on the sweet potatoes.

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Yeah.

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Ava when Ava's eating good, she just eats sweet potatoes and cottage cheese. Sweet potato and cottage cheese.

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I'm releasing the cookbook of like how to lose the weight in five minutes.

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Sweet potatoes and cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

If you're a vegetarian, it's hard though, because you don't have the protein for you and you guys have chicken. Ava's a veggie. Like, yeah, I'm a vegetarian, so you know, when you're like eating healthy, I hate saying being on a diet.

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It's hard not to carb it up, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yeah, it's hard not to carb it up and have delicious food because I love pasta. I like wake up and think about pasta, and you have to like subtract.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

She wakes up and eats pasta too.

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I know. When I'm hungover, she sees me 9am with a bowl of pasta in my bed.

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You know, most people get up, fry up or bacon. So obviously you can't have bacon, but you know, like fry up or something like that. And you would go straight for the pasta.

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She's like, when you've ultimately, it's 9am.

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It sometimes comes into my head and cracks me up. It's not even like the eating crap at that time of morning, because we all do that, we have a fry up or whatever. It's the fact that you choose to eat pasta. And then you have it again for lunch and again for dinner. It's like an addiction. But you're a woman after my own heart because I love pasta. We love a carb.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Who does we carb?

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But you're not a big breadhead.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

I'm not because I choose to, because I feel like if you eat bread, because that's what I'm saying, because I'm a vegetarian, it's always gonna be bread, pasta, rice, and a diet. It's really hard to find the protein that substitutes the meat. I do eat fish, but not all the sort of fucking. So the sweet potatoes got on my back. It's like they got you, boo. They got me, boo. We're right over here with sweet. It gets a bit boring, but yeah, but you love it.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

You know, you do get another yogurt and fruit situation as well, don't you? Few seeds. You are, you are a little bird.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

So we should get into East Centres this week. We should kick it off, you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

It is, Ava, what's your storyline?

SPEAKER_01 8:36

My storyline is like Lauren and her blind baby. So Lauren has had a blind baby.

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Yeah, for those of you who don't watch it.

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Yeah, so she wants to send him to this amazing nursery, which is like specialized in sensory stuff and all this. The baby's only like not even one, but anyway.

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I know, yeah.

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You know, and you're like, so anyway, she's gonna be.

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Well, people be needing to do that and get off maternity leave these days because the pennies are tight, we're in the cost of living crisis.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

We are, but like, so then the other storyline is that someone is offering, Mark is offering her some dodgy side work, selling dodgy motors. Yeah. And she's considering it because she's like, I need the money to pay for this flipping sensory class.

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And I'm like, But this is textbook Lauren.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

But it's textbook, this is my thing of like people in our society, especially the Western world, we feel like our children need to have the best of the best, which means equipment, this, that, and the other. And I just disagree with that. I just feel like it doesn't need to be like the state of the art things. Because children grow up in many different environments all over the world, and they don't always have this special wooden thing. Do you know what I mean? I think it's nice, but if you can't afford it, you can't afford it. It doesn't happen. No, you're not gonna break it. I turned out fine, and I basically play with a plastic bag. Explains a lot. I'm doing great. Explains a lot. But do you know what I mean? I think it's so like then it puts pressure on people who can't afford it because they feel like they need to send their child to this amazing school. It's not that deep. As long as you're learning.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

I agree with what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

I do understand that parents. I do also think it, I get that.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

No, no, no, it's not just that because I I I I in this respect, with like the fact that she has a disabled child, I think she it should be fucking government funded.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

And all disabled children should have the fucking best of the best, and that's the issue at hand.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Oh yeah, he's blind, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 10:31

But I don't think everyone needs to go, yeah, exactly. I don't think everyone needs to go to fucking primary school, don't get me started that's what I mean on that subject. So in that respect, I think you're right. But I also think as well.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

But yeah, like your yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

In the world we're living in, I personally don't, and no shame to anyone does, of course, because I did, but I personally don't even want my kid going to state school because of the way that this country's run.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Where do you want to send them? Homeschooling.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

First schooling or homeschooling.

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Yeah.

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But obviously that comes with a lot of financial freedom. Yeah, yeah. So it's not a thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

But this is what I'm saying, like, I get because her child is um blind, I do understand the need of her wanting the best of the best because I suppose it helps with development and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

She should she should be able to access it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yeah. But I suppose it wouldn't make a good descendant storyline if she could. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Like, she should be able to access that.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

But I feel like if you don't have a disability, there is that need like for people putting pressure, they want it to be the best of things. Like all those flippin' Montessori schools, they're great concepts, but they used to it just used to be a concept, but now it's like only where the people with money go and the freedom to be like, my child can play with whatever they want to play with. That's beautiful, like it's a great way of learning.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Well, that should just be how it is.

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Yeah, it shouldn't be a concept, it should be how it is, and then and that's why we have all this divide and because it all comes down to who's got a better education.

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100%.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

So that annoyment Ian Bill was like, I know it's not that deep.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

I know, that's only because he didn't want to put his hand in his pocket. They basically went to the family and asked for some money, and the rest of them was like, Look, I haven't got much because this is happening, but I'll do what I can. Alright, we're putting what we can. It got to Ian, he went, Well, it's quite hard running a a a lot of businesses, so I'll do what I can.

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But yeah, I'll give you a 5P.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Yeah, he's so textbook Ian, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Yeah, so textbook tight ass.

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Textbook tight ass, textbook tight ass man of that generation that's like, oh me and my businesses, yeah, me and my businesses, and a bit ignorant, but also not like crazy problematic, but ignorant. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 12:38

So now Lauren's like, shit, I need some money to pay for my fabulous entry school, and she's considering doing dodgy work. Would you do it?

SPEAKER_02 12:48

But I'd either dodgy for my absolute.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah, you're a bit dodgy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

I'd do anything. I think life is one big blag, and the most you can blag out of the system, yeah. Absolute blagging. Not that I'm blagging anything at the moment.

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Blag city, black, black city.

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I think fucking blagg it.

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But Penny was like, who's looking at it?

SPEAKER_02 13:07

But don't charge me for a plastic bag in Liddle.

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You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 13:15

I'm not fucking paying the space.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

I'm not rich.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

No, do you know what it is about the plastic bags? And sorry, I've gone well, but let me just get my point out about the plastic bags. If they wanted uh charged us, because you know the whole thing was that we're charging you for plastic bags so that you don't use them as much because of the environment. If you didn't want us to use plastic bags and you really did not want us to use plastic bags, you would charge£20 for them.

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Yeah.

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You know that we'll pay the£30p. Well, was once five, is now£40,£30p. So you're just earning more money. It's nothing to do with stopping us from using it.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

In like France, so I ain't paying for your fucking plastic bag, babe. Yeah, in France and Europe they don't have plastic bags. Exactly. Because it's like have them bring your own plastic bag because that's the point.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Yeah, and then if there was no plastic bags, we would remember the plastic bags.

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And also, we live in London, them plastic bags getting robbed 24-7.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Exactly.

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In front of the shop man's face.

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My ex-boyfriend used to always pay for the plastic bags, and I was like, you're an embarrassment to me.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah, like babe.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Don't let anyone see. And then when I used to don't let anyone see you pay 40p for that. And when I used to like rob him, we used to get so shook, which is so funny because he's so not like that in certain ways, but he'd be so shook of getting caught. But it's like you just play dumb.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

No, but you know there's some there's some people in Liddle, some of them's no, no, they're like they're like gripping the plastic bag for dear life, and you know, and you're like, you don't tap one plastic bag, you look at them, they're looking at you.

unknown 14:40

Do you know what?

SPEAKER_01 14:41

You're about to come over here and pay for this, and you're like, fuck's sake, like, and they stand next to you whilst you scan the blood damp thing, you're like, have a day off, Michael. Michael. Have a day off.

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Do you know what I always do? Is I if I clock that that's the situation beforehand, because I'm so anti-plastic bags, is I go over to like another till and grab one where you can get it, I scrunch it up like it's like it's one I've run with me, and I just like bring it like it's one I've got from home, and I'm like, flapping it out. And yeah, you can tell because it's all compressed, like you know, when you use one, it's like open, and then when it's not, it's like all sealed up, and you're like, have to flap it out to get it.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

I've done like a whole Shakespearean scene just so she can put a shopping in her bag.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I had one guy come over to me and said, Did you just get that? And I went, No, I brought it from home. Look at the crinkle! I looked at him in the eye and I thought, Don't don't try me, brother. Don't try me. This bag is coming home with me for free.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

That crinkle is from ten weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah? And he said, he went, understood. Yeah. He didn't say that, but I knew that's what you're doing.

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So you just gotta be like, yeah, it is, what are you gonna do?

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It's it's I remember it.

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Yeah, depends what shop you go to, as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

I know. I don't piss I try not to piss off the Sainsbury's locals.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Yeah, because also not like you no, but also I never take a bag for them because it's next door. Unless I have loads of stuff on me, yeah. But if I go little, I obviously take my trolley.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Oh yeah, I love my troll. The granny trolley.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

But anyway, what got a sense of that, huh?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Anyway, I really got him with that. If you would do um crime for a dime.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Crime for a dime for my kids.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Well her sister Penny, Lauren's sister Penny, is like what's cousin? Oh, don't shoot me. It's like, what's the scale of crook to not a crook? Do you get me?

SPEAKER_02 16:32

The thing is, what you got way up?

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Like, are you gonna sell drugs or are you gonna just like shoplist a couple of steaks and sell them?

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yeah, this is the thing. I I think the way up is could you do time for it? Because that's more selfish on your kid. Could you do time for it? If you're not gonna do time for it and you're gonna get slapped in the wrist, do it.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Yeah, but all of it you do time for if you get caught.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Not for the littles plastic bags.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

No, but what? Some side hustle. If you some side hustle of guys, take my number. I can get you plastic bags. I can get you as many plastic bags as you want. Just call my number. Um 247. Yeah, 5P. 247.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Cheapest in South, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

25p. Um, like we're talking real crimes.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

No, but like you said, if you're doing stakes and selling them, you wouldn't get time.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

No, you get a slap on the wrist, but you would for cars.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

She's robbing cars.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

She's robbing them.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

But in east centers, they don't give a fuck about time because they all come out early anyway, don't they? Yeah. They don't give a one does time. No one does real time. Richie gets them off.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah. Everyone needs a Richie. I think, yeah, I don't think yeah, I probably would too. Cheeky here and there. Depends what it is, guys.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

It's it depends on if you get caught. If you want to be fucking your kids up more. Do you know, like how Wendy and Eddie, I don't know if anyone here watches Real Housewives or Potomac.

unknown 17:54

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Oh my god, you don't even watch it. Let me give you a real briefing. Basically, two of them on Potomac. The thing about the Housewives, if anyone watches Real Housewives, they get so brave, they think they're untouchable. Like loads of them have been arrested. It's because they they get so blown up, so much gas up their ass. Yeah. They think they're untouchable. So, like, these two m done a pretend burglary, and they hadn't really had a blurglary, and they claimed it all on insurance. Oh, yeah. They've been arrested.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

That's a popular one amongst the rich.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

They've been arrested, yeah, exactly. They've been arrested, and they're like going for it now. They've got three beautiful young kids, and it's like, guys, what will you think? You both done it as well. At least one of you does it. Yeah. And now, anyway, it's all playing out. This is real life as well. It's not even like a fake programme. But like, it's all playing out.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Is this another thing?

SPEAKER_02 18:44

It's actually just happening now. They're in court, so Tomark's where it's at.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

I keep needing to tune in, I keep just not having it.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Tune in, it's full of drama. We love. My god. I know I actually feel quite bad for her because she obviously just got they got too ballsy.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, and some, yeah. You once you start as well, you get carried away.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Yeah, and you start living at high life, keeping up appearances.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

And it's like when a lot of people do crime, it's not like, oh, you start and then I can stop. No, because you get sucked into the lifestyle, which is like needing to make more money and more money, and it's like not like and these respectable thing people think they're so respectable that no one ever will suspect them. Yeah. Well, a lot of these celebrities always get what we know when they drive too fast, what's it called? IUI. He's got a D UI on them, A122 or whatever it's called.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

Because they just drink and drive over there, willy-nilly. Do they not have EBA?

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Do you know what I mean? They have those self-driverless cars over there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

My friend's been in one, she lives in Texas. I would never get in one of those.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

On my life! I would never get in one of them. Yeah, you think I want them to know my address, even though Google knows it.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

So true. Didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Because someone I I heard someone had like a bit of a dodgy experience with one, but I was like, maybe that's just you.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

I'm just not getting in one anyway.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Yeah, but they they are mad. I didn't think it would that was real.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

I know, but I wouldn't trust it. It only takes one to I wouldn't even enjoy it because I'd feel a bit.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Someone told me they're not very accurate, so they like took her to this wrong place and it was like, now I've got to get one back.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

But also, why don't we pay drivers to drive us? Because people need jobs.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Yeah, yeah, people need jobs. Stop getting rid of jobs.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

Preach.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Preach.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Is that your final drifter?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

That is yeah. We're doing a little segment on this show called Our Final Diftiff.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Our final drifter. And after we stop talking about our story done, we're gonna hit you with our final fucking d on the matter on the matter.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

My final drift is stop getting rid of jobs.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Stop getting rid of jobs. She said it, you heard it.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Right here first, which probably everyone knows, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Everyone's saying it every day. But yeah, people aren't though, people aren't. People are like, oh, have you seen what people can do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, yeah, I know, that means a person's not doing it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yeah, I know. I know.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

But anyway, it's not a final drift if we keep talking about it. I know.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

So tell them one more time. Stop getting rid of jobs, guys. You'd be surprised at how much jobs have been clipped in the world. Clippity clap clap club. Clippity clap. We're getting rid.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

They're getting rid.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

But what they can't get rid of is soul.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

They can't, we've all got souls.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

We've got to rise up. What's your storyline, babe?

SPEAKER_02 21:27

My storyline is about mothers-in-laws. So, for those of you that aren't watching East Enders, basically, Penny, who we were talking about, she is pregnant with Vinny's baby. And Vinny's mum, Suki, if you don't watch it, she is a crazy bitch. And she thinks no one's good enough for her, Vinny.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Her boy.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Her boy, no one's good enough for you, even though Penny's a good woman.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Great woman.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Um, and she's never liked any of her children's um endeavors. Exactly. He was terrified to tell her that he's knocked old Penny up. She's found out and she's just turned nasty shock. This is why I don't like Suki.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

I know, but she's a great character.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

She's a great character.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

She's so evil, yeah. The way you always say with that. And the quiff.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Yeah, always got a quiff. It's like, all right, Suke, so that's a bit old.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Alright, Su. But she's like so evil, she faked having cancer.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

She faked having cancer. She tried to take her granddaughter's baby, so her granddaughter was 15 and got knocked up. She said, Don't tell your parents, I'll adopt your baby. Are we okay? Are we okay? She's so evil, I hate it. She's a great actress, so let's talk mothers-in-laws, because this ain't the first crazy mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

No, let us know if you have a crazy mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

And tell us about it. I'd love to know. We can talk about it on the show next week.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yes, yes, yes. Because I think it's more common than not.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

I think so too. Do you know what? I feel very blessed, and I think you're the same. My mum is the best mother-in-law to have. My brother's girlfriend, I hope she counts her lucky stars, and I imagine she does. That she has such a great mother-in-law. My mum is so chilled, she would never talk about it. She would just accept what we said, even if we thought she thought, oh, I don't think they're good enough. And my daughter should just flow with it. Like, do you know what I mean? But support, she's just the best mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Yeah, and I feel like what I get from all that when I see people doing that is like boundaries. It's not your partner, it's not your relationship, it's not your child, and these boundaries get crossed. And I get that sometimes it can be like because they love you. No, this partner, this relationship, your child or whoever needs to have their own thing. You're more than welcome to be a part of it, but like don't be annoying.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

For sure, you only push yourself away.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Because a lot of these relationships get broken up because of their mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Uh are we talking about the Beckham's or are we talking about Beckham? Everything, everything in life comes back to the Beckham Beckhams.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Oh my god, what a great, what a great segue. Segaruni. Segaroon. That's what I'm saying. People get too much. Yeah, look at that. People, I think boundaries in life people need to have because it's like let people do what they do. And like, sometimes your opinion is not even that valid. I get that you want to get to your child. If that your child has a wrong-in, you're gonna say he's a wrong-in, obviously. But if they've got a kid and a this and a that, you've got to let them be.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

You actually have.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

And be there.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

You have because this is what's funny about the Beckhams is this happens all the fucking time. They just happen to be in the public eye, and that happens to be part of their drama. Yeah. So now we all know about it because he decided to do that. But this thing happens all the time. I know. And people think they have a right over their children's decisions in life because they're their children. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, when are you having kids and putting that pressure on and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yeah, and I think as well, it it can tie in, like, when you're from like a big family, like in different cultures, they have massive families and they're all involved in each other's life, and it's like, but it's part of the thing, and yeah, like whatever. But when you're evil, I know you're evil.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

My friend, tread carefully, but I really don't think that my friend's mother-in-law would listen to this podcast. But she, her, her partner, who's also my friend, he has comes from an Italian mother. Their boys love their mothers, yeah, and there's three boys. So she's a Italian mother of boys, so you can imagine what she's like. She showed my friend, I was about to say her name then, but I won't. My friend, the ring before he did. So she said, You're having my grandmother's ring. And showed ahead of him showing. So, like, obviously didn't propose, and she knew the proposal was on the cards anyway, because they'd discussed it. But she didn't know it was the ring. No, so it took the thing out of like this. Is your grandmother's ring? Yeah, it just took the thing out of his surprise to her. So it actually slowed him down proposing. So, like, that meddling. Oh my god, that's I know that meddling, what that caused. But like, how naughty, but there's so many stories like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

So many.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

And when Brookh's Brookham.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Beckham's stuff. Abreviation of the Brookhams and the Beckham the Peltons.

unknown 26:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

When that when all that stuff came up, she was like, she was definitely in the group chat leaning more Nicola because I think she felt personally triggered by how Posh was acting. Yeah. Except Nicola's not an innocent, so we can't relate.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Um shame.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

But yeah. Yeah. Mother-in-law's be crazy. Do you get them with your mother-in-law?

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're lovely. And they're in Spain.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

I've never met a mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

I've never had a get her a mother-in-law! Yeah, my boyfriend's family's great.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

They're the distance is probably great as well. Yeah, they're normal.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

They live in Spain, they're normal and they, you know. And Dexter gets on with your mum as well, too. It's part of the family. But even then, it's like boundaries.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Boundaries. Yeah, my mum has really good boundaries.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

It depends what it is. Like, because you know, when people have children, it gets a bit more complicated because they feel like having support is great. You know, from your family. But like, let us let us figure it out, navigate it ourselves the same way that you did. We don't need you breathing down our necks.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

I want my mum to breathe down my neck when I'm gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, my mum's getting the baby.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Well, I say to my mum all the time, I hope you know that we're bringing up together.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

We're gonna sit down for this.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

We're bringing it up together. Because like what we lose these days as a society and in general, and I think this is the reason why so many of us like people are like, oh, all these labels or things, it never used to be like that. I think why a lot of us have disordered personalities is because their foundations for us growing up aren't what they should be. I'm not shaming anyone here, I'm saying as a societal issue, as a system issue, because back in the day, villages raised kids. Yeah, kids would have attachment to not just their mothers, but various people surrounding them, so their mothers could be there, do their thing as well, and they would have various people now. They have like like one or two attachments, their mum, their mum's forced back into work too soon, so their attachment is stripped from them quite early. So their dad's back in work after two weeks. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, these aren't great, amazing nurturing foundations for us to be living in, and we've been living in it for quite a while now, hence why a lot of us, why a lot of us in society are just all off the rowers is because like that them that beginning bit's so important. So I want my child to have more than just an attachment to me and my partner. I would love it to have an attachment to my mum. So if I do need to go to work, if I do need to do that, and hopefully in an ideal world, his mum or whatever setup he's got in his family. So if we do need to go and do it, if we need some time alone, they're with people they feel safe with.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah, and like it's so true. Safety's so important. We're basically we're all just like monkeys, and they have like their own family system, and there's visual scientific evidence that shows your bond with your grandmother, your mother, your father, your brother, your middle brother, your younger brother, they're all different and they're all important in their own way. A hundred percent. And monkeys roll together in packs, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

And and like we all live apart now because we can't afford to live near each other because that person can afford to live there, and that puts so it's like we're not raising villages anymore, like we're not big communities, and like I do really, really, really strong believe that babies need communities, especially in them formative years of life, and we just don't have that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

That's what I was saying earlier about like there are cultures and communities where that's present, but it's like in our Western London bubble, yeah, it's that's not present because it's so expensive, and it just can't be in the systems, it's no one's fault.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Like it's not someone's fault for going back to work, it's not they're a bad mum, absolutely not, it's the system, yeah. Because we can't, you're obviously better off going back to work and putting food on the table than you are standing at home. That is better for your child than cre standing at home and creating a secure bomb, but like not do you know what I mean? Not being able to put food on the table, but like they should be able to have both, you know. Yeah, I really strongly believe that.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

But I grew up with quite close knit with all my family. Yeah, you got big family as well, haven't you? Yeah, and we all like live not far from each other, but now it's like we help have to live further apart because London's like you can't afford to live here.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

I know. I don't know where I live when I'm a bit older, and I don't know where my mum will live, but wherever I'm going, she's coming for the first year of that baby's life.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Pack your bags or go to Spain, yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Exactly. Or the houseboat. My new thing is I want to get a houseboat.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Oh, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

But this is it, that leads us back to like Laura and the pressure she has to make this money.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

That's exactly what I'm saying, but exactly, like no judgment at all. It's all the societal pressures that we're under.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

For real, and that's why Penny is the one that's due the baby with Vinny, and she said, You gotta do what you gotta do to put food in your baby's mouth because she's pregnant, she's she's starting to feel that.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

You had a just you had thought you were figuring out the Christmas special episode.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

I did, yeah. So I think I've got it all sus, guys. For those of you who don't watch, it's gonna sound complicated, but you'll watch Christmas, so you'll know.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Some I think most people watched Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

So the flash forward, we see the flash forward episode.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

We see Lauren and Oscar get kidnapped, we see Max, who's he in the bed with, and we see something's happened to potentially Penny, because Jack's upset about having a newborn baby. The family's the families tie in so much. So I think that let me get this right. Lauren and Oscar have been kidnapped by Ravi.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Because he's gone um like psychosis, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 32:10

Yeah, exactly. He's going crazy. I think he part of the reason why he's pissed off is because Priya's the slip the mistress to Max, because they're both working together in the car lot at the moment, and it did kind of look like her in the bed, didn't it?

SPEAKER_01 32:22

It had that kind of priya vibe.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

It had that prior vibe. I think that Suki has got involved, the crazy stepmother that not mother-in-law that we're talking about, um, and something's then happened to Vinny and Penny, which means baby orphan, uh baby Ethan is an orphan. Baby Ethan is an orphan, what which is why Jack's upset. But that might also tie into why vi uh why Ravi is pissed off and feels he needs to kidnap Max's kids. It all ties in. Oh, yeah. It's basically what I'm saying is it's all about In a nutshell. In a nutshell, Flash Forward feels like it's all about the Brannins and the Panasars.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

Yeah, for sure now. God, you're good. I know. So to take it back to the mother-in-law storylines topicarooney.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

What's your final what's your dift div?

SPEAKER_02 33:17

My final dift div. My final dift div isn't necessarily about mother-in-laws, but what it led on to is my final dift div is babies need communities.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

That's my final dift div.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Some people do there are communities though.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Oh, absolutely. Well what I'm saying is it's like a lack of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

I don't get a hundred. And that's on no one button. And the way and the way everything's moves so fast now.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

And also, I don't mean to say that babies cannot grow up healthy without a community. I just think it will create way better life for all of us.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

And way healthier mindsets.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Yeah. She said it here first.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

She said it here first.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Did she?

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Right, guys, we've got another little segment here for you. So we're gonna do a little segment called Glass Half Fill. I know you I know you love our pun. Yeah. We're getting punny up in here, but basically, we're gonna just because the world is such a depressing place to be in in times, we're gonna just gonna end up every episode landing on something that makes our glass half fill, which is something positive. What is your glass half fill, Apa?

SPEAKER_01 34:27

My glass half fill. I would say that after my weekend of seeing all the dancers and us talking about community, being in a place which is all about love and family and that scene. And they're not always good like that. Um just makes me feel like you know, there is love to be shared and love and peace, but found it on the dance floor. Yeah, I did. Uh what's your glass half-filly, Willie? My glasses. What willy's in your fill?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

My glass half fill is last week. I actually went down to Leon Sea in Essex to my friend's moving down here, so he kind of just showed us his new neighbourhood. Babe, I thought it was in LA.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Really?

SPEAKER_02 35:15

I'll show you the video. What's is it palm tree?

SPEAKER_01 35:18

By the sea. Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

And the sun was setting, it was by the sea. Wow, it felt like we were in LA. People do move out to the seaside, and I thought I don't really see myself doing that, but I thought it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Fucking gorgeous. It's so good to get by the sea.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

It's so gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

It does help the mind.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

And we was with his little boy as well, and out a friend who's his partner as well, Hannah.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

There's something about the ocean that really heals me. I think it's the same. You know what I mean? It's like spiritually, something.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Well, they say that like different people are drawn to different things, so like the forest or like, do you know what I mean? Fields. I do like the field. Mine's the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Yeah, the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

It's the sound of the water.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Sound of the water being in it, seeing if it even just watched it, yeah. Yeah, you know when it's night time and it's like pitch black and the moon's drippling off the surface.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Oh. And you feel like you could just walk on top of it.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

I know, get pulled out and drowned. Because don't play with the sea.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Don't fuck with the sea. They say don't fuck with fire, but don't fuck with the sea.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

It's got a mile of its a world of its own down there.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Oh, I know. It actually does scare me a little bit. We loved the sea when we were away, didn't we?

SPEAKER_03 36:24

We got that big seam, yeah!

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Oh, what are we like? We've been in the sea together. But we uh but yeah, so guys, let us know.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Let us know. We need more comments hearing from you guys because we want to know what you think, and then we can give you more of what you want.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Yeah, leave a comment down below what you think of mother in law's. Are you gonna break the law for your family?

SPEAKER_02 36:54

I want to hear some crazy mother in law stories. Yeah. Thanks, guys. We will see you next week.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

Love you.