What’s Eastenders Without a bit of Incest?

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Each week Abi and Ava use Eastenders storylines to talk about whats going on in their own and the wider world. 

This week they’re talking; The family trees of Eastenders, is it incest?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi, I'm Ava. And I'm Abby.

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And you're listening to Ender's Afters, where we use East Enders hot topics to talk about our real world.

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And have a good gossip.

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Welcome to the up.

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Welcome to the afters.

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So Abby, what's your storyline, babe? My storyline this week is East Ender's Family Trees. Oh Margold. Because we're not addressing the elephant in the room that Gina and Harry now share a sister and their parents are dating. I know. What the hell? And not a peep from the one about it. Like the fact that your Shagaroonies and your sister is the same. Yeah. Like that poor little girl is a little bit more than a little bit. Is there no discussion? I know. I know, like you'd make a joke out of it, wouldn't you? Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Because in the hospital where Nicola's just given birth, but they're all happy Larry, and it's like, no, no, that's now your sister. I know.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

It's both sister. I know, it's so weird. It's very weird, isn't it? But that is Extenders 2T. Like, there's so many instances of it. Like, first of all, Zach and Vicki shagging, they share a sister.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah. Everyone shares a sister. And the joke is, is they're like moving to my sisters. No, that's my sister. Yeah, there's no like, oh my god, that's your sister. It's like it's so weird. It's like it's normal. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

It is normal in Wolford though. It is. And you know what? Another one that I think is mad. We could probably sit here all day and think of them. Especially like the fact that this is a side one, but Ben and Lola are related and they had a baby together. So Lexi is they're like set third cousin, second cousin.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Are they?

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Yeah, because Billy is Lola's grand. No, but she's adopted, I think. No. I've looked it up. Oh, okay. She is his his son was adopted, that's why they didn't always know each other. But sh that is her granddad. Yeah. Pops. Yeah, Pops. Phil is Billy's second cousin, which makes Ben his like third cousin, which then makes Lola and Ben like four fifth cousins or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

No, like they are distantly related, but they're also not, they would have been introduced to each other as cousins. You know when you're like fifth cousins, but when you live and see each other a lot, you're you're not. You're like, we're gonna say we're first cousins.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

I forgot about that. Yeah. But who else is this? And then Jack Brannon has children with three Mitchell Ronnie, Roxy, Roxy, and Sam.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Sisters and a cousin. So the children are like Cousins and siblings. So like Ricky and Amy are brother and sister. Yeah. But they're also cousins. Are you sure? Yeah, because Ricky's Sam's and Amy's um roxy's, but also Ronnie and Jack had a child together. Where is that child? Ronnie and Jack is Amy. No, that's Roxy and Jack. Oh Ronnie.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Oh, it's oh, because um. One died, but they had another kid, didn't they, later on? No, no, that's the one. Because the boy, what's his name? James. No. The one, Ricky, it's Anne's. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

But there was Ronnie and Ronnie later on went on to have a kid.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

She went on and on and on. I know. That woman went through a lot, didn't she? Oh, bring them back from the dead. I know.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

I've still got to live through that death. Oh my god. I haven't seen it yet. I know what I I've seen clips of like the water, but so good. I don't know if I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Cinematic experience, that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

We haven't had a proper death in Extenders for a while, apart from Martin. Martin was a was painful, babe. It was painful, but I didn't have like an emotional attachment to Martin because I've missed the last ten years.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Yeah, at Christmas, I was crying and you were you weren't what happened to Christmas? When he died. Oh no, that was the anniversary last year. Oh, was that the anniversary? Yeah. Well, I was crying my eyes out, and you were like, that is sad.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Yeah, because I've missed the last ten years. I'm on episodes at the moment where Martin just comes back into it. So like I don't have an emotional attachment to Martin. It was sad, but it wasn't like it was like a good bite.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

It wasn't blobbering. Well, these family trees are mad because are you related when you go that far back? You are to some extent.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

I know I so basically I've done like you know one of them ancestry things, and on the ancestry things, you always get emails saying like your cousin's next door. Yeah, literally. Saying like you found a new family connection, and then they're like, Robbie O'Sullivan is your parents' fourth cousin. I'm like, that's not related to me. Stop sending me spam. Like, yeah. Literally, unless you're coming through with a second, I need to see the number two. Yeah. Otherwise, they're not related to me. Yeah. Like I was saying this before, like, I'm Irish. Like that, I can have loads of fucking relatives. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, I have an Irish person I work with, and they were going out with someone, and then they found out by going to the person's house, seeing a picture, and then they were related to the person you've been able to they were like distant relatives, and they were like, How do you know each other? And they were like, Oh, that's my so-and-so, and then they were like, Well, that's my so-and-so, but it was so far back that are they related? No.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

But that's a bad way, then. That's a very sender's way of finding out. Yeah. But also, no, I'm doof doof. Literally. Who's that? That's my uncle. Because then you've got to my uncle. I do not have an American accent. Who's that?

SPEAKER_00 5:41

That's my uncle. Um, but because it's like cousins don't necessarily mean like related, technically. Yeah, but then you can have like, doesn't need to be parent and mother because then sorry, dad and mum, because then that dad can have loads of kids, the mum can have loads of kids, then they have kids separately, then it starts becoming burdenful. That's when it gets kind of all right. When it's quite far down the line, because it's different if it's like mum, dad, baby, mum, dad, baby, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Do you know what I mean? I in East Enders it is just normal to Shaggy relative. Shaggaroo. Shaggy relative in Eastenders, because you know, they're working with the cast members they've got, but also it's just it's just the normalized in Woolford. Yeah. And I reckon there are places that are a little bit like that. Like I actually, like, places like little islands like the Isle of Man and the Isle of Wight, I bet loads of people are sleeping in each other that are like distant cousins because you've got people that have their family trees from years back are still there. So like um, but also I actually have a friend that she's not a close friend, she's more a friend of my good friends, but she's my friend, and I think it's her grandparents are cousins, and they're from like a small town in Wales, and I think it's just normal. I can't wrap my head around it all, it's too complicated. Yeah, but I think back then, obviously that would have been years and years ago. Yeah. Small town in Wales. Yeah. We're cousins, but we actually fancy each other cool.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

I mean, it won't go.

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Like small areas in like the middle of nowhere. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

It's just slim pickings, do you know what I mean? You've got to work with what you've got. There's nothing out there. Maybe that's what we're doing wrong. We're opening up the pool a little bit too much, so it's so hard to date because there's too many. You better not bring your codes around next week. Go back to our roots and start again. Where are you, relatives? Oh my god. I also have a friend who also done the ancestry, and like I say, these emails come up with like your parents' seventh cousin, and she got one, and it was her boyfriend's mum that had been together like 12 years, but it was like your fifth cousin, and then so that would make the son the sixth cousin. Like, again, she's Irish, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

But that's what I mean about that. Ancestry dot I've got very mixed feelings about that thing, yeah. Same thing, and everyone's like, What's your problem? But I just feel like I don't think it's that accurate. I think it's it's accurate in terms of like where you are, but if you think about like history and how much we've mixed, well, essentially Oh, and people that don't have like a sort of birth certificate from back then, because a lot of people came over and we made it.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

That's how they work it out, is basically your blood. Yeah, but they it's the data. I think it's just a swab, I don't think it's blood. It's the data from um basically the more people in the world that do it, the more accurate you can get it because then the DNA will match. We have more clear DNA. But I do think it's relative, I think it's fairly accurate because it's not a lot of different things. Yeah, but I think it's not accurate, but I don't think it's accurate as they and it's accurate. But you're lucky you probably have like a steady backlog.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

My dad's mine would be all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah, my dad's my mum's side's like that. My mum's side's all over the place. My dad's side, his brother done it, he's like real brother, my uncle, and he was 99 point something Irish. My dad's side is so Irish, yeah, like my dad is a pure-blooded Irish man, and so like that side, I've got like the strongest, clearest thing ever, and then my mum's side's a bit messier because she's part Indian, and we we found out part Italian um and English-Irish, um, as the rest, and she's obviously had it rare, and even like my Indian side, they at some point, like the surname if you date it all the way back, goes back to Persia, so like it's very my Indian percentages on there come from a few different spots in Asia, yeah. Like, not just like one spot in India, yeah. Because that so my mum's side's like that, yours would be like that.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Yeah, because my mum's like family are kind of like travelling Jews, and they were never like they would move around a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

So there would be no like but Jewish comes up as a race on there. You're Ashkenazi Jew, right? Yeah, but my cut my friend came up with Ashkenazi Jewish. I think there's that, but then there's also like Yeah, yeah, and then my dad's half Jamaican Irish, but then Jamaica obviously there was all the slave trade and everything like that, so it's kind of like it would probably come up as like Africa, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Because but then there's so many other things that happen, so it's like it's just I don't say it's not accurate, but no, but it's so like how sure can you be for sure?

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I've got two percent finish on mine, yeah. Finish. But I'm like, what's two percent? No, I know. Do you know what I mean? I I don't ever claim it. The only time I've ever brought it up is one of my best friends is half finished, and I'm like, I had two percent finish on my memory of cousins.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Yeah, that's when you go out, people are like, I'm quite a Nigerian, and you're like, mate, you're ginger.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

But you could be, yeah, for sure. My friend had 1% Nigerian on his. 1%, you know. Something crazy, I know.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

It's just a random it's like your blood doesn't work like that though.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

It's weird, but I do get it because it's kind of like we all kind of go back to somewhere, obviously. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

But um, it's just funny.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Some stuff we know, some stuff we didn't, and we knew we knew my name. A lot we don't know for sure, because people used to integrate 100%. Like my nan, we knew she wasn't pure English, but we didn't really know. And her mum was detached from her family because she got with like basically a poor drunk, and her her my great-grandmother, I think came from money or something, so they kind of disowned her, so we didn't really have a real connection to that. So when Italian showed up, we knew what something was gonna show up that we didn't know what it was, we didn't think it would be Italian, and it was a really strong amount. It was we're more Italian, apparently, on this thing than we are in Indian.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

It's a funny thing. That's what I mean. Like, my dad's half Irish, Jamaican, and the Irish were in Jamaica a long time, and then you know, it's kind of like because he's quite light skinned as well, so that pool is probably like even more, isn't it? But then does that that could be because a lot of people have throwbacks and stuff? Yeah, like my granddad's black, but then even before that, there could have been someone white, like years and years ago. A hundred percent. You know what I mean? So it's weird like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

You know, my best mate who's half Finnish, half Jamaican, she's really light skinned. Her sisters are like a lot more um visibly like mixed race, where she you can see it for sure, but maybe some people would say that you can't. She is her skin, it is very fair, um, and she I it's partly because she is half Finnish, of course, but her dad's Jamaican, but her dad's also got Scottish in him. Yeah, so she's probably pulled the Finnish side a lot, but also on her Jamaican side, she's probably pulled some of that Scottish more than she's pulled the Jamaican, yeah. But also it's just like melanin, isn't it? It is, and also a lot of a lot of countries that are have like black people from that route back from the slave trade, which is basically most of the Caribbean, um, will not be just African, just black. Yeah, they will have because of the nature of the slave trade, we can go on. That's a whole different episode. But yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Anyway, Matthew Sventus family trees. Yeah. Maybe I should do the test just for jokes. It is quite interesting. It's quite fun. But then I'm kind of like, I sort of know now, it's good when you see like that show with Davina McCall. I would love. And they were they had twins and they literally didn't know who their parents were. Um really. My mum has a friend like that, she literally doesn't know at all who her parents are, so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah, you get that a lot. I knew someone whose dad was adopted or something, you could kind of tell she had some Asian in her, like maybe like Chinese or Japanese or something. I don't know, but you could tell, but like her dad didn't know where it's from, so it's like, oh, that's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Where people forget that we go back thousands of years, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

And people have always immigrated, funnily enough, guys. Yeah, um, not many people are pure English. I do have a friend that done one though, and he is pure pure English. But not many people are pure English. A lot of people do come from like Celtic um backgrounds and have have moved here or loads of different places, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

And that's the beauty of life.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

That is the beauty of life.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

But in Woolford, they don't care about that. They're gonna shag their neighbour. I know because Jasmine is now in the family with the Trumans. Oh my god, yeah. And they were adopted. Yeah, who? The Jasmine and what's his name? Jasmine and Josh. We're adopted by that lady, but they're actually the Truman's family.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Josh uh Oscar's shagging Josh and Jasmine. Do you know what I mean? Well he's not yet, but he will be at some point, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Ancestry.com. So it's gonna be a whole nother caboodle like that. I know. It's mad, isn't it? Even like you've got Jack has slept with Stacy and Max has slept with Stacy, and Bradley slept with Stacy, God rest your soul.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yeah, like and Stacy's kids. I don't know who that's a whole other kettle of ish.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Well, yeah, Stacy's kids. She's got Martin, she's got someone else. Yeah, that Ryan guy who is Whitney's brother.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

God, it's so funny. There's literally so many different things. Yeah, Lily's and then the other two are Martin. The other two young ones are Martin's.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

No, they are.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

Are they both Martins?

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Because Lily's it isn't Martin's. No, but he was he raised her as took him on.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Took him on, yeah. I'm just at that in the old episodes. Oh. But we love it. What's he send us about a bit of incest?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Do you know what I mean? I think it happens more often than you think.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Do you think? Right. What are you admitting to become a few years? I just think because people probably.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Yeah. Um because big families are then you grow up together and then you don't really move away from each other, and then you do.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Yeah, because where I'm from in Ireland, if you go there, you'll see like my family surname shop above shop windows everywhere. So it's like if I went out in Dingle and snogged someone. Oh my god, you're from Dingle. Yeah, well, up the road from Dingle.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I'm from Dingle! Are you? Really? What's your family surname? I can't remember at the top of my head because I've always grown up with Jones, but Oh my god, we're sisters.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

We are sisters. We're related.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Oh my god, there we go. But yeah, like if I snog someone in Dingle, I could I could be never and mine. And then we'll be back on the square. Let's move to Dingle and make it the new. Oh my god. So what's your final dift, babes? My final dift divs, we're all related. We're all related. Shag your cousins. Shag your nans.