Do They Ever Change in Eastenders?

We use Eastenders hot topics to chat about our real worlds and have a good gossip!

Each week Abi and Ava use Eastenders storylines to talk about whats going on in their own and the wider world. 

This week asking; When do you stop living by your wedding vows? And discussing all things Joels return, Ross and Vicky!

Please like, subscribe, comment if you enjoyed this episode. It really helps us grow and bring you more episodes. Find us on all socials under @Endersafters x



doof doof

#eastenders 

#podcast 

#britishtv 

#britishsoaps

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi, I'm Ava. And I'm Abby. And you're listening to Enders Afters.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Where we use East End as hot topics to talk about our real worlds.

SPEAKER_00 0:07

And have a good gossip.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Welcome to the Welcome to the Afters. So Ava, what's your storyline?

SPEAKER_00 0:15

What is your limit on in sickness and health?

SPEAKER_01 0:19

What do you mean, marriage?

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Yeah, so like when you get married, and they say, in sickness and health, like How much are you taking them? Yeah, what's the point where you leave them? Because we've got I was saying that because we've got Vicky and Ross.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Yeah. And she's willing to live with Joel, which is mad, really.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

And it's like she did say to him in sickness and health, and I thought, what when? Because people leave there, they get divorced. What's the tipping point?

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Literally did used to think in sickness and health, but it's not like that.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Because really and truly, you gotta stay forever because in sickness and health.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

No, but sickness and health actually is sickness and health. Oh, health means whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Yeah, no, no, no, but there's more. And there's there's more to the vows than sickness and health. They say something else. In something, in something. Look up the vowels, look up the vowels.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Because even like people who cheat, they stay because you're married.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Yeah, yeah, but especially back in the day, the people who did genuinely did stay it in sickness and in health. It is something else though, as well. Well, to death till death do us par till death do us par kind of says it all.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. What are you gonna say for?

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Till death do you par.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Like, what is the limit?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Um, what is the limit?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

People just fall out of love as well, but a deaf do us pa, hello, not not no get married. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Because I'm kicking you out when you're killing ya, because it's death play. When you play, you be gum boo.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yeah, like the whole thing with Ross and Vicki is funny because at first she's like, no, I'm not having your son in your life.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Which is so fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Then she cheated on him with Zach.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but it she even said no when he first comes back. But this is it, is like sh the reason why she's happy to well not happy to have him, but the reason why she's being way more empathetic when before she was like done with Ross because he was allowing so much from thing is because she cheated on him. And he took her back like on the wedding day, like literally bound out on the wedding day, took her back right there and then. Like, I think she's got so much love and appreciation for how he like allowed her to yeah, or I think he even understood in some weird way how it ended up.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

That's what I'm saying about relationships. There's so many underlying things sometimes, like, and you change with each other and things happen, and I suppose that's through sickness and health because you have to stick by that person, you need to get through what it is. You don't have to, but I'm saying, like, that's the point they're saying is you've got to like you've got to navigate it.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

You're together now, and and whatever comes your way, you're gonna you should deal with.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

But yeah, I don't know, obviously not. But she's um they're showing it quite in the show.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Yeah, they are, they are, and this is what we love about them. It shows characterization.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

It's not a great thing, this is do you think he's changed though? That's what I'm saying, guys. Is it a hoax or has he changed? I really like him as an actor, that young boy.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

He is really great at actor.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Because he before he was horrible as his character, and now it's like, has he changed? But I did catch him watching a video.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

What was it of?

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Him watching a video, but you don't know what it's of, so it's like, is he still on online?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Or do you know who played his mum when his mum brought him into it? That's his auntie.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

I was gonna say, they look related.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

That's his auntie in real life, huh?

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

I was like, they look she's in loads of stuff though. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

I love it when they bring a glanner.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even just for like one day.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Yeah, and it shows how he's been messed up by his family. I know. Mum doesn't want him. Ross was a good dad, but I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah, but Ross is a bit weak.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, he's soft. Yeah, bless him.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Love. Do you know what? He is a good man, but he's just a bit soft. He doesn't I don't think he knew how to like step up into both roles, which is actually so fair enough. Like, who does?

SPEAKER_00 4:05

But so it's it's good how they're showing uh Joel's side of him just being a child, yeah, and sometimes life it gets in the way.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, I wonder whether they're gonna bring back the storyline. It's so funny with the kids now.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Well, they might do, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

I don't know. I don't know what's left to play here.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

I don't think he's changed.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

But I'm glad they brought him back in it.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Yeah, I think it's a hoax.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

I think people can change though, on a wider view, not just of him. I don't think we should be writing off teenage boys. No.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

100% not.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

But I think we can't just like be like, okay, well, you've had your pr punishment in Juvie, now you're cool. No, like some deep well, first of all, they need really positive role models that are that are a bit more like well as in your face as uh Andrew Tate would be, but on a positive way. Like you've you've got an Andrew Tate character, whatever they called him in East Enders, and then you've got the other role model is someone like Ross. You actually you need someone that's both like that is a real strong leader. Ross is not a leader, a leader, but in a way.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

But I don't think there's anything wrong with Ross.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

No, I'm not I'm not saying there is, yeah, I'm just saying he's soft, which is absolutely fine to be soft. He's not a leader, yeah, like, and then you've got this leader like Andrew Tate, he might be a bad man, but he is a leader. You need leaders that are positive, yeah. You know, you need people with really strong um leading energy, really strong role model energy, but that are positive role models.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

That's why they need to bring back the youth clubs because you go to a place like that and you get you learn so much, so important for kids that don't have any role models in their life, and yeah, you make friends and you yeah, learn through creativity, loads of different ways, exactly. Exactly, build connections.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Oh, this actually, oh my god, they should do this in East Enders. Well, you know that community centre Linda's storyline. About trying to keep running, they should turn it into a youth club.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I know, or have like youth club sessions, yeah, for sure. Because a lot of community halls had you know, the AM, I'm at school, they have like breakfast clubs. Mine was in a hall, yeah. It wasn't like a whole youth club, it was for different family centres, things that they all combine, which there's none of them anymore, but yeah, um, yeah, Lyndon and a new man can can run it! Oh bless them. How funny was the pole dancer?

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Oh, I know. I love it when I I put that episode on with my mum, and I literally said to her, it's because she don't watch it. I was like, it's not always this ridiculous. You know when East Linders does a ridiculous episode, which we love, but if that's our new episode you're watching, it's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Yeah, they're like old classic East Linders, it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

But also, do you know what I like? Is like the whole way of like uh Joel is this like really strong uh villain energy as a teenager, and then you've got the most opposite version is Barney, and Barney was the one that hit him over the head. I thought at the beginning of that episode, because you know Barney was like didn't like what was going on. I thought Barney was gonna run off and grass. No, and then he ends up being the per No, I did by the end of the episode, yeah. But you know, when they first tied him up with the chains and Barney was freaking out, I was like, Barney's about to go grass. Yeah, and then he ended up doing that. I love that um It's because he loves Zavani. Oh, he loves Zavani. I didn't even think he would never do it for any other reason.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

And I love how Harry protected him. I love I love when they have family um dynamics. I just love it.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

I just thought you are your mother's son.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Yeah, your mother's son, and when Nicola finds out about um George um killing the dad, and then the way they rode, yeah. Sorry, Harry is so Harry, and she's like, not a word, because they just some like that's their family.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

That's the way they roll.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like such a now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Since the whole sh him finding out about Shireen and the whole like kidnapping with by was it Oaky?

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yeah. Oakie and um Ravi did that whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

But since the kidnapping, he has levelled up in his gangsterisms almost. He's he's there.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

You can tell Harry a secret and he'll keep it.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Yeah, he knows how to ride now. And Barney will in a year's time once he's had to ride out this.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Barney's not gonna be able to hold the guilt. But I can't wait to see how and why he did it. Because they left him for dead, the poor boy.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

I know. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

I love the all the kids. That was a good little it was a great episode.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

It's great they got to do it. I was watching, looking at their Instagrams as well, like, and they look like they had such fun filming it. I know. It'd be so fun to grow up on a soap like that. They'd have such bonds. Do you know what I love as well? I saw on TikTok and I thought it's so true, is like they're really shaping Amy to be Roxy's daughter. Yeah, she's just we've got a little sus to her. I forget that she's Roxy's daughter because she's more Jack's daughter in some ways. Like, you know, Roxy's more rough where like Jack's a bit more like proper. Yeah, I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

It's funny how they make it seem like Jack, because he's a policeman, he's by the book, and Amy's like, he's done way worse. Yeah. He's actually a branding at heart, but he just acts like I'm a policeman, I've got to do it right, and then when it comes down to it, he will break the law.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Oh, yeah, he's like that video goes nowhere. Not even a blink of the eye.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Like he's done his time and juvie. Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Delete the video. Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

For real. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Amy is a chip off the old block when it comes to Roxy.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

I thought the dumbest thing you did was when you had a baby at twelve, but this is.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

I know, alright. Amy, chill out with you. She has always had that really bitchy bully side to her.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

When I'm then she's nice at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yeah, which is Roxy! Which is a Mitchell! She is a Mitchell! Mitchell, we begin. She's not just a Brannon, yeah, she's a Mitchell, and and so is Ricky. Yeah. Which is the funny thing.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

But did Joel deserve that? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 9:58

No.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

No, bullying is bullying. Two wrongs don't make a right, is just especially the tying up.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

I actually think the tying up looks worse than the hit and over the head.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

It reminded me of like Lords of the Flies when like one person does a thing, another, especially when you're an impressionable teenager. Kind of like gangs, one person does one thing, another person follows, and then you've got yourself into this like friggin' mess that you can't get out of.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

But it's just because people are following people.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

There was a few kids there that didn't want to be part of it, and then they all just did it. And then the one that Barney's got a hammer. Next thing you know, Barney's got a hammer in his hand.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, cave in his head in.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

I know it's always the ones you least expect when he's done, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

I know, I want to see how he did it. And I do reckon we'll get a flashback. Do you know what though, as well? A little um egg that I think I saw was when they're talking about the car lot, and I think Billy's gonna find the hammer. There was something to do with the car lot, because you know the hammer's hidden in the car lot.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

He's a Mitchell Sahid gun to the architect. I forget that Billy is pretty much like kind of like Barney's uncle. Yeah. Oh my god, you forget that the you forget the ancestry of the whole ancestry of the ancestors. Amy and um oh my god, Amy and Billy are related too.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Yeah, but Amy and Denzel, when they were they're literally like, they're not related, but they're family.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Yeah, because Denzel is like it all ties in. Is there anyone on the square that doesn't have the square link?

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Don't matter on the square. It don't matter. Incest it up, baby. I love it as well. Everyone on the square is so judgmental, and everyone on the square has done really bad things.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Do you know what it is? It's the energy of a really small town. But it's actually they're in the east end of London. I know. It's literally, but it's the energy of not even a small town, like a small island. Like, imagine the Isle of White or something like that, or Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Big up jersey.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Big up jersey, have you ever been? No. No, neither have I.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

But uh, yeah. Barney killed, well, beat thing again.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

And then uh Barney tried to kill Joe.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Barney tried to kill Joe. What stupid thing to do, Barney?

SPEAKER_01 12:07

A bit silly, he knows better than that.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

He knows better than that.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

But I love it when I love it when Harry said, You can't act any more weird than you normally are.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

I know. That's him. Uh side note when our fave Nicola slacks off Suki's bun. No, no, no. She says, Your bun's dated. It's about time someone addressed that. No, I know, we love it. And the Suki's like, is my bun dated?

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Also, I need to say something about the fact that she said sorry to Suki.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

That that's No, I like I like that because they're all like I love that Nicola feeds off strong women's energy, even though she fights them. She likes the fight, and Suki's the same as Nicola in that she's like up for the fight. She's not, they're not scared of each other. And I love it, I love those scenes.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

I think though, that's what I mean though, is I think that sorry has to have been a manipulation tactic because I can't accept that she would say sorry in that way. She didn't even say it was Sash, she literally grovelled, and I thought that ain't my Nicola.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

I think she um she just wants to get rid of it after George. She's got too much on her plate.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

She has not sorry.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

George is crying in the corner. She even called her sister, which is going to be something.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

I know you're coming in. I just made that connection. Can't wait. Did you did you? Yeah, just now. Oh no, when I saw the call, I thought, oh, that's how the family's coming in.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Gorgeous! I'm looking forward to that. More of Nicolai.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

They must have loved her as much as they've seen how much the audience loves her. They gave her a whole family. Love that. So, what is your final d?

SPEAKER_00 13:39

My final dift off is people can change, but you don't have to do it in sickness and health. You don't have to wait till they're doing sickness and health to find out.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Yeah, let us know what you think of the new family coming in.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, you're excited to see Nicola's new fam.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah. And is George gonna pattern up because he needs to stop being miserable? He has lost his dad and it is complex, but it is. She's holding that family down together. She's a still woman. That's woman. I know, I love her scenes. Comment down below.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Like, subscribe, comment down below. We love ya. See you next week.