Passive Aggressive at Work… or Just Surviving? | Workplace Reddit Stories

“Just be direct” they said… okay but at work??

Corporate personality vs real personality… and the gap is large.

This episode of Don’t Jump is all about how people actually communicate at work — the sugarcoating, the side comments, and the things you wish you could just say directly.

We get into the small moments that turn into bigger frustrations, and how people navigate it without completely losing it.

A little messy, a little funny, and very real. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

What? Did you ever like meet someone with a foot fetish and then like you're traumatized? No, but I just feel like they're looking at your toes.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Yeah, I feel like people on the internet are weird and horny. Have you ever seen how many have you ever gone through your Instagram posts and seen how many are saved? No, but I don't think. Do it.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

I don't think I'm a private, I'm a nice, respectable Christian woman.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Nothing I post is like one of my bikini photos had like 20 saves on it. That's weird.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

I did, as a joke, post my feet recently. Okay. And motherfuckers were responding to the story. And I was like, you're sick and you're crazy. Who was responding? Like random men who I need to block.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Um because it's like pay me. You know, look at my jobs, give me money. Anyway, welcome back to Don't Jump.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Don't jump. Don't jump. Don't jump.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

I have a question.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

I have an answer.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

So this is a topic that comes up a lot when we talk about corporate being yourself versus Never.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Never. Do not be yourself at your job. That that was if you're black and a woman.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Right. It's so funny because that's the exact opposite advice that I recently got. From a gen 60 years old. How older? Whatever generation that is. Yeah. Because I was complaining and like saying, Oh, I just don't want to do this anymore. I just hate having to wear that mask. And the advice I got was like, just don't wear the mask. Just like be who you are and see if that pans out for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

I got that advice recently from someone at work as well, a black woman about our age.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yes, exactly. And and you still don't trust that advice. You wipe your ass with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

I think that's good advice if you're truly committed to playing the corporate game. If you want to try to climb the ladder, if you want to, you know, get by, yeah, do a good job, but get by and prioritize your non-working life, I think you gotta put yourself in a box a little bit. That's my that's my personal thing that I have to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

So, how do you deal with like issues that come up figuring out how to navigate that, but still having to wear a mask? Do you think being passive aggressive is a productive way to operate? So no, you don't think so. Why would why would that work? Sometimes I feel like instead of being direct if you can't be yourself, then you kind of beat around the bush and you get to the point and hopefully your corporate op understands what you're saying. I tend to heify everything. Like he heify. Okay, that's passive aggressiveness.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Is it? I think so. Yeah. Like, in if I had to say this was due yesterday, where is it? Instead of going, this was due yesterday, where is it? That's direct. Or passive aggressive, I can't submit this until you give me the thing that was due yesterday. Passive aggressive, I go, Oh my gosh, I can't believe that deadline was yesterday. Did you get a chance to get that done? Hee hee ha ha. Yeah. Love you, babe.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Yeah. Submit those files. Yeah. We're running late. Yeah. Hee hee ha ha. Hee hee ha ha. Where the fuck is it? Exactly. Okay, so thoughts on this story because it it is, I would say, along the lines hee-hee ha ha ing, borderline, passive aggressive. I don't know. There's overlap. So I want you to help me define that.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

I will say hee hee ha ha only works if you are on camera and audibly hee hee ha ha most of the time. Like it we all interpret messages that are sent differently with different tones of voice. So if you don't normally speak hee hee ha ha, it might not come off hee hee ha ha. But I want to hear the story.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah, it's interesting because I think the use case we're referring to is very like work-related. But this is something beyond that. Okay. So can you hee hee ha ha your way out of a non-related work situation at work?

SPEAKER_02 3:38

I'm scared. Tell me, girl.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Okay, so Tiana Tiana in Am I the Asshole asks, would I be the asshole if I started calling my white co-workers by random white names? I moved from Georgia to the Pacific Northwest last year for a dream job after I graduated college. It was a little bit of a culture shock because I went from being one of many black people around at any given time to often being the only non-white person in a room, let alone black. There hasn't been a lot of overt racism, but there's been a lot of strange borderline situations that people are amusing at me and I feel race-related, but not necessarily racist. For example, every white woman I meet mentions Beyonce to me within the first Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Okay. Yeah. Sounds about right.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

For example, every white woman I meet mentions Beyonce to me within the first five minutes. When I was sitting for my driver's license photo, the woman taking the photo opened it with so Beyoncé. What the fuck? Yeah, I mean, Beyonce is a beautiful woman. I I wouldn't be offended if you compare me to Beyonce, but I'm not. You know, they used to believe me in high school and they would call me Monique. So I'll take Beyonce over Monique. Both beautiful, both beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

They just called me.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Okay. Um, so the problem is in the post title. I'm the only black woman at my office, and I constantly, constantly am being called the wrong name at work. And I'm coming up on my one-year anniversary. My name is Tina, short for Christina, pronounced just the way it looks. It's a what? A very easy name. For some reason, a handful of people at work call me Tiana. Tiara or Tia. I think, assuming that my name has more of a black sounding pronunciation than it is. I am most often called Tiana, especially Like the princess, like the only Black Disney princess.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Yeah. They said, I saw the movie girl. I know, I know all about you.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

No, literally. I know your people. I know your kind. Yeah, the fuck.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

What's the New Orleans here?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Are you what's good?

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Make me a beignet, mammy.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Why don't you just call her a n Okay? I am most often called Tiana, especially by one of the guys on our development team and by the big boss from another team, which I think then confuses their team members back into calling me the wrong name. The other thing is that apparently another black woman, elderly, not in the same position that I am, used to work here, and her name was Mary. And they often mispronounce that too. Mary? Mary? Mary? Mary Little Lamb? Mary, like Jesus' mother. Mary. Christina. What is going on here? She says, sometimes people will look at my nameplate and then ask, how do you pronounce that?

unknown 6:34

Christina?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

It's Tina. It's literally T-I-N-A.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

I have tried politely to correct this. And I correct it immediately every time from polite just for the record. My name is pronounced Tina. To be lighthearted, Tina, like Tina Butcher from um Bobsburgers.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Bobsburgers. Yeah. Also Tina Turner, if they wanna if they want to like Tina, like Tina Turner.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

I actually love that term. Yeah. N yeah. Um my emails. I also have Tina in a million places, including my email address. I still get thanks, Tiana. So I'm considering doing the Twitter approach where I just respond to co-workers who call me the wrong name with the wrong name. Like Chuck. Thanks, Tina. Tina. No problem, Chad. Jessica. Hi Tiara. Tina. Good morning, Jennifer. Would I be the asshole if I did this? I know it's passive aggressive, but every form of polite correction hasn't worked for me, and I feel really disrespected by this. So I may as well have some fun with it.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Honestly, if Tina is not too attached to the job, go forth and prosper. Yeah. Like, do it. Why? That's what they're doing to you. So honestly, if anyone takes it the wrong way, tries to run to HR, it can just be said, you know, I'm so busy, da da da da da. But also, why am I here right now? This is an actual offense because this has been happening to me for years. So should I, or for a year, so should I be also making a complaint? Like, let's both play the complaint game.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Period. Fuck it. Yeah, you're just putting up a mirror to them. I want to give some of her co-workers grace because Tina did mention that because the big boss has her name wrong, that the people who work under him might genuinely be confused. So I don't know how many times in a day in a week and who exactly is confusing this, but honestly, like play with them. Play with them right back, and hopefully the humor has it sinking.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

And if you want to go the you know, serious about my job route, you can try one last time going to only the big boss and saying, Hey, interesting. Like, you know, play on their ego a little bit, like, hey, Tom, like, I'm only coming to you about this because I just really trust you. Oh, you do oh you know, like I've noticed that some of the people on your team have been calling me the wrong name and you get my name right. You know my name is Tina, but some of the people on your team don't. Right. So if you being the big strong boss you are, could just make sure the rest of your team knows that my name is Tina.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Helpful. And I think that might be the only approach. Overwhelmingly, the subreddit is saying you're not the asshole, but one of the commenters here says, You're not the asshole, but I'm not sure that they would get the joke. You know them better than I do. But I'd get a name badge with Tina on it with a pronunciation spelling and brackets underneath so that uh people understand the good-natured spirit behind it, and it doesn't come off as bitchy.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

And that's the problem. It's gonna come off as bitchy because she's the only black person in the office. She's the only person of color in the office.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

This is what's crazy, is like her name is Tina. This is crazy. I that's just what's so absurd. That her name is literally Tina and that they did it to Mary. How are you mispronouncing Mary?

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Mary had a Mari had a asshole.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

I work at a very racially diverse company, and I have had one boss who did this to me exactly what exactly what your co-workers are doing. It drives me nuts. I'm not even the one it's happening to. You can only correct people so many times an entire year, and then it's borderline ridiculous. I'd be careful how often you choose to get upset about it.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

I don't like that because she's she's having to police herself because other people are idiots.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah, but this person is saying, go to HR, see if something changes, but it might be time to look somewhere else. Oh, that's so dehumanizing.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

I know it is.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

She didn't even get into if she likes her job, if she wants to be there.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Ah Those are the things that just like break you down, especially as a black woman. You deal with racism from like the second you're four years old. The second you have boobs, people are saying you look inappropriate. Yeah. The second you're in college, people are saying you're a busybody. The second you're at your first job, no one's pronouncing your name correctly. And then you're 30 and you're already exhausted and like done with life.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

That me. Me too, girl. My whole villain art.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah, and then everyone else just gets to like live life normally.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

That it's the the I don't know, unconscious burdens of black womanhood or womanhood or black or whatever. Insert anything other than it's a lot of literal silent microaggressions, if not flat out aggressions, that are so exhausting to navigate.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

And then you go to have a baby, and the doctor is like, you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

And then you're like, Yay.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

It's black maternal health week.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Oh my god, is it?

SPEAKER_02 11:26

It's all about like educating people on how disproportionately black women die during childborn.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Thank you for educating me. So, and passive aggressiveness, workplace, directness, that is the question of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

I'm very anti-passive aggressiveness at work or otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Well, that's because I think you're not understanding what my definition of it is. Because I think cutesy hee hee ha ha ha is like a subsection of passive aggressiveness. Yes, because you're either direct or you're passive aggressive. You're either direct or you're not direct.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

But non-direct doesn't have to be aggressive. Like you can be passive aggressive, but you can also just be passive, non-aggressively. Why does it have to be aggressive?

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Interesting. I'm passive non-aggressive. I still think that that's her cousin, but I get what you're saying. You're passive non-aggressive. So it's aggressive, passive, passive aggressive, direct. Out of all those, we should probably just be direct. But yeah, uh-huh. But people get their feelings hurt when you're direct. Okay, so I'm curious if you think, let's play this game. Is this passive aggressive? Is this direct? Okay. Is this worth the ramifications? Yeah. So grandpa is crazy, but cool, says. But cool. There's no L. He's funny. Okay. No, he's funny. This guy's funny. Yeah. He says, would I be the asshole for requesting prayer breaks at work? Because my religious co-workers do, even though I'm not religious.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

No.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

No, okay. So he asks, I'm an atheist who works in an international company in a very busy city. I've had a lot of co-workers who come from a certain religious background that requires them to pray multiple times a day. I would say 90% of my coworkers share this faith, and maybe 70 to 80% of them take time out the day to go pray every day. Is he afraid to say Muslim? I feel like this is giving Muslim.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah, just say that. What are you afraid? Say it.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

I have thoughts already, but we'll circle back.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Okay. He says they get to leave the office two or three times a day for 10-minute prayers, and they get paid the same as me. And they don't need to take it out of their lunch break, etc. I used to resent this and asked my boss who belongs to that faith why they essentially have extra pay for that 30-minute total break a day if I'm doing the same work that they do. She couldn't give me a response other than religious considerations have to be made. Even though I'm a known atheist, I have decided I want to do some meditation every day. I told my manager I needed the same time as my coworkers and told her it was very important to me. She initially said no. And then I got a hastily written email, of course, saying that I was welcome to take the time to meditate that same day. She obviously had to check in with HR just to cover her ass and put it in writing. For the last six months, I've been having my 30 minutes of meditating in our company garden every day. This has caused a slight issue because other non-religious people are starting to ask if they can have meditative time, and it's causing friction. But in my opinion, either everyone should be able to do it or no one should. I recently told a friend this story and she reacted negatively. She said that I was being rude and ruining it for everyone, and that the same thing goes for Christmas. Coworkers usually go above and beyond to fill in the gaps for other co-workers who celebrate the holidays, and I should be extending them the same courtesy that they extend to me. I told her I'm not hurting anybody or taking their prayer times away from them. I'm just simply enjoying the privilege myself.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

I have so many mixed feelings. I think everyone sucks here. There's something in the way OP wrote this. Entitled. Entitled in like doing it, not because the meditation. Yeah. Like it's it's giving if they get it, I want it too. Which that point I agree with. Everyone should just get 30 minutes. I like I I don't think there's anything wrong with that philosophy in general. Um, the fact that other people are seeing this person meditate and they're non-religious and they're like, Well, I want three minutes to meditate too. They should get 30 minutes meditate too. It should be optional. It should be like, hey, anyone who wants 30 minutes to meditate, take it. I agree. Case closed, like that, that is that's that should be a non-issue. The it should not be a problem for the job if everyone's doing that. It's 30 minutes, it's it's a break, it's fine, it's not a big deal. But the way OP is approaching it of like it feels a little hateful that like they get it and I don't, and now I get it. Woo.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

It gives affirmative action hater. It is like this is D E and I. I I agree with you. The problem is the higher ups, it's the structure of corporate. If you need 30 minutes a day, take the 30 minutes a day, especially if the work is getting done. I don't think that there is an issue with that. When OP brought the scenario to his friend, I think they gave an interesting point of I don't like the French. Why? Because she's like, Well, Christmas is Christmas and you take Christmas, but then there are other non-Christ-related holidays that other rel faiths practice. So it's just like give people their holidays and also give them their lunch break and also give them their meditation time because they'll be happier.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

And also just give people time off. Like the friend's point about like, oh, well, you're off during Christmas, and like the friend was basically like the Jewish people and the Muslims are working while you're off for Christmas and they cover your gaps. What's wrong with that? Like, it's it's a fair point in response to maybe OP some of kind of hateful rhetoric. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, at the same time, maybe we should all just be off during that time period. Like, chronicles around the same time period, it's time to be with family and friends, whether you're celebrating Christmas or just spending five days inside your house talking to your mom for the first time in three years, like everyone should get that time.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yeah, and a lot of the way that you see fit. I think to your point about tonally him sounding resentful, you are correct. He said, I used to resent this until I da da da found this loophole. But that residual, almost like seething, that's on fucking fair attitude, it's pop up. Like I feel it, and that's why I just don't like this guy's vibe either.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

He was voted not the asshole. Okay. People are saying not the asshole. I think meditation in this situation is the non-religious equivalent to praying. A moment with yourself to collect your thoughts. It's a healthy and productive for the work environment, and you should be given the same rights as your co-workers. So, yes, that is true. But you should also celebrate that your co-workers have that right and allow them to pray three times a day.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Because your co-workers essentially secured this 30 minutes of meditation time for you because they were getting this exemption, you tell them you were able to argue for yourself and um advocate for yourself to get 30 minutes of meditation time.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Yeah, it's a win-win situation. Yeah. Um it's funny. Reggie Barclay under this post says, Not the asshole. I had a friend who became a smoker because the company allowed smokers to walk out and take five-minute smoke breaks every hour or so, in addition to their regular break. They did not allow non-smokers the same courtesy, so he just picked up smoking. Yeah. You're gonna have people pick up smoking. This is the problem with corporate.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

We'll do anything for a break.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

No, literally. Did you see the guy pivot who burned down the toilet paper facility? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

I didn't know I didn't see anything.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Oh, right. Yeah, we didn't see it. We don't support.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

I don't know why the toilet paper factory burned down, but exactly. I heard if they pay people a living wage, it wouldn't have burned down.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

I heard that too. How funny. How funny. Yeah. Everyone's on his side here. No one is like, you're being kind of a douche. Yeah. I will say I will vote, hmm, not passive aggressive. I don't think the guy was being passive aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I don't think him asking for the meditation time is passive aggressive. Pretty direct. I think the Reddit post is passive aggressive. He seems to have some resentment towards the Muslims, but Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

It was giving a little Islamophobic.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

How do you say that?

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Islamophobic.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

See, I would I wouldn't know that because I love everybody. I don't have a phobic bone in my body.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

If you love everybody, you should know it so you should point it out. So you can point it out.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Oh. Alright. So I'm trying to think if I've ever been passive aggressive in the workplace. No, I literally have never because I'm a perfect, beautiful angel. Have I ever been passive aggressive? I don't think your personality allows it. But I don't know if I'm direct either. I just take the abuse. You do. Yeah. Okay. Stop. So, yeah, I know. Stand up, Simone. Stand up. Alright. Lordaine 9 asks, Am I the asshole for refusing to eat my colleague's vegan birthday cake? I No.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Wouldn't eat it either. Sorry. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

You just said you liked your vegan coffee cake.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

Because I made it. I don't eat other people's food, especially in the workplace.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Okay, but your issue is their kitchen. Right. Yeah. Not that it's vegan. You would eat a vegan birthday cake? Yeah. Yeah, okay. So that that's important context. Okay. This person says, I 29 female am working in an office, and I have a colleague, Bia, who routinely makes fun of vegans. I am vegan and I never make a fuss about food. I go to the same restaurants as my co-workers during lunch hour, and I can always find myself something to eat without announcing my dietary choices. Bia keeps calling me out on it though, and she's very condescending about it. She keeps saying, I'm just having a phase, and offer me bites of her lunch that contain meat and cheese. And when I refuse, she goes, Oh, come on, it's vegan, I promise. Wink wink. It's very childish and annoying. And even other people ask her to tone it down, but she insists she's just joking. Last week she brought a homemade cake to the office for her birthday. And when she put a slice down in front of me, I politely thanked her and said, I cannot eat that. She said the cake is vegan and made it specifically so so that I could eat it. But knowing her very loose definition of vegan, I asked a few questions about the ingredients, and she didn't check any of them for milk or eggs, so I thanked her again and I refused a slice. She made a big scene about it in front of everybody. She started crying and saying that she wanted to do something nice for me, and now I ruined her birthday. Some colleagues told me not to mind her dramatics, and others, including my boss, said that it was her birthday and I could have given her the benefit of the doubt. I sort of see his point, but I also feel like I don't need to justify my food choices to anyone, especially since I never asked her to make me that vegan cake.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

You do not need to justify your food choices to anyone, and you especially don't need to justify why you're not eating something. The veganism of it aside, this resonated with me so badly because there have been times when like people have offered me. Me food in the workplace or the office got catering for lunch or something, and I didn't eat everything. I'm very picky about like mushy foods, so like I don't eat mushy foods, and it'll be like, Oh, like the this is so good. You're not eating this, you're not eating this. No, because it's mushy, I don't want it. Like, oh we got a cake for the entire office, like let's all eat the cake in the meeting. Well, unfortunately, I'm skinny and you guys are fat, and I want to keep it that way. So people get so upset and offended when you're not eating something they're eating, and whether your reason is dietary restrictions, veganism, actually being on a diet, or you just don't like it, you shouldn't have to explain it to anyone because no matter what your explanation is, it's gonna piss someone off. So I don't want it, should be enough of an answer.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

I have a suggestion for you if you're ever in those situations, because it works like a charm. You get the piece, you just like shuffle it around on your plate, you have a paper towel near you, you throw that shit in the paper towel. Oh my god, it was so good. Loved it. Thanks, babe. I used to be vegan, and I had a I remember a very specific interaction I had with my grandmother. I'm like, she's like, no, there's no there's no it's vegan, it's vegan. Like you can eat that. And I'm eating, I'm like, this is really good. She's just a little bit of chicken in it. Like, people don't give a fuck. Like you have to give a fuck because they don't give a fuck. So no, you're not the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Not at all.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Um, self-bound Beauty says, I had a vegan friend try this exact thing in getting my boyfriend to eat some vegan cookie or whatever. Wouldn't tell him what was in it despite asking multiple times. My boyfriend had a peanut allergy. She used peanut butter to replace the eggs. Thankfully, he refused to take a bite, and she refused to tell him what was in it. So you know what? You did the right thing, OP. So yeah, you just don't trust people with ha ha ha ha ha guess.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

It goes both ways. When someone is like trying to get you to do something, whether it's a non-vegan trying to get a vegan to eat something non-vegan or a vegan trying to get a non-vegan to eat something vegan. It's like honesty and directness, directness, there it is.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

That's why I was be direct. Is this the moral of this episode? Be direct. Maybe it is. Because it bodes well.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Because it's like we based on everything that OP said before about her like trying to get her to eat ham and cheese, there was definitely some butter, some cream, some something in that cake. There was no way it was completely vegan.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

But that's what she was saying. Like maybe she used the chocolate chips, right? And the chocolate chips were milk, chocolate, it's just too many other things. Like lard has you, you don't know their secret ingredients, just respect people. Yeah. Uh I I know a lot of people who have celiac, and even if it comes from a good place, you want to make something that is gluten-free from them, but you can't guarantee there isn't cross-contamination. It's not worth that person getting sick. And I think it's our job to respect that. I mean, yeah, the gesture was nice, but you don't owe anybody.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

And it was fake nice because she clearly has a vendetta of trying to get OP to eat something non-vegan.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Some weird fascination.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Weird, weird, weird stuff. The moral of this episode Be direct. Be direct, or at least try to be. We're trying. Um succeeding, I don't know. But definitely trying. Sometimes it's better to just have conversations and trying with kindness in our hearts.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

The non-vegan, she's trying, but she doesn't try have kindness in her heart. She has evil and malice in her heart. So as long as you have kindness in your heart, you can't lose.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Oh no, no. Kindness will always will always prevail. Okay, and with that Don't jump! Don't jump. Cheers.