The Giggling Granny | Nannie Doss

Nannie Doss killed eleven people between 1927 and 1954 — four husbands, two daughters, her mother, a sister, two grandchildren, and a mother-in-law — across Alabama, North Carolina, Kansas, and Oklahoma. She was arrested in October 1954 after her fifth husband died unusually fast after being discharged from the hospital. An autopsy found massive amounts of arsenic.

She confessed cheerfully, laughed with reporters, and was described by the press as "the giggling granny." She was convicted of one murder, sentenced to life, and died of leukemia in the Oklahoma State Penitentiary in 1965.

She told anyone who asked she was just looking for "the real romance of life."

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I'm Chelsea and I'm Jenny, and this is Delphine Carpete. Okay. So I even wrote a tagline for this one today. It'll be very interesting. Uh The Giggling Granny, the Only Hearts Killer, The Black Widow, the Lady Bluebeard, and all nicknames given to our subject today. We will be diving into the life of Nanny Doss.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

I love this so much. I do know of her. I um, yeah, the giggling granny. I saw that like nickname and I was like, this just sounds great. Yep, yep, yep. I think I read a book that had a little blurb on her in it, and it's yeah, all right. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

I love that we're all giggling.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

This is not a happy tale, but you know, it's not, but you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Uh I'm happy that you recognize the name. All right, so we're gonna start on November 4th of 1905 in Blue Mountain, Alabama. Louisa Liu and James F. Hazel had their daughter, Nanny. In total, the couple had, from what I found, there were two sources. One said four girls and one boy, and the one said five girls, including Nanny and one boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

So okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

And I'll go with six children total. Yeah. So James, her father, was a railroader, and both Nanny and her mother had a bit of disdain for James because he was pretty controlling and abusive. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So starting off, great. Yeah. Uh the family had a farm. So haha. Uh that James would force the children to work on rather than allowing them to attend school, leading to Nanny's poor academic education.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

That makes sense. Yeah, and not having a lot of boys, you're gonna be putting the girls to work on.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

One boy in the 1905. Yeah, so early 1900s. Yeah. For sure. Uh, when she was seven, Nanny and her family would take a train to visit some relatives in southern Alabama. When the train came to its abrupt stop, as trains did and sometimes still do, uh Nanny hit her head on a metal bar in on the seat in front of her. And for years after she would suffer from headaches, blackouts, and depression that she would blame on this incident.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Totally fair. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah. Which blackouts is just crazy. That is so bad to get. I mean, depression headaches too, obviously. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Yeah. At least the other two can be manageable. I don't know about back in those days, but uh blackouts you can't do. You can't really do much about that.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Not really, no.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Not that I'm aware of, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Also, that is either a quite the hit that she took, or just she just got that nice angle. It's like one of the two. Right. Uh, in her childhood, Nanny's favorite hobby would end up being reading her mother's uh romance magazines. Oh man. Oh yeah. And dreaming one day of having her own romantic future. As we all did.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Oh, it's their version of Disney for us. Yeah, pretty much. Maybe a little less PG.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah. Uh her favorite part of the magazines would end up being the Lonely Hearts column. Mm. Mm-hmm. Which would be very important to come. Uh none of the girls were allowed to wear makeup or attractive clothing. Mm-hmm. Or go to social functions like dances. Oh. Mm-hmm. As their father forbade it. For the as much of a piece of work as he is, I will give him a little bit of leeway with this. Not so much, because that's a lot that they're he's not allowing them to do. Right. Um, but he did it with the intention of not drawing the fellow male gays and keeping his daughters out of harm's way. Unfortunately, that didn't stop things from happening. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Because growing up in the church where modesty is like a thing, and not Mormon church, but Christian church for my experience. But uh yeah, modesty is always the thing. It doesn't stop anything. No.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

You can mean wearing a burqa is not going to stop anything. Yeah. As fate would have it. And unfortunately, uh Nanny was assaulted and raped multiple times in her childhood, only for her father to not believe her. Because of course. Oh gosh. Yeah. Which part of that I'm thinking could also be uh, well, no, my methods are correct, so why would I be wrong in this? Or that didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, sure. I didn't see as to who did the assaulting, so it could have also been like the people that she was like, hey, these people close enough to her father that he's like, nah. Yeah. Yeah. Many things go into those, but yeah. Oh yeah. So far we've got assault, strict abuse of father and head wound. Right, yeah. Yeah, not to uh like just to shed some light on why she became the way she was. Yeah. Yeah. In 1921, at the age of 16, early 1900s, uh, Nanny married Charlie Braggs, who was a coworker at the Linen Factory.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

With her father's approval, they were married after a mere four months of dating. Okay. Which is crazy. But again, I guess early 1900s, it's not probably too super uncommon.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

I wouldn't think so, yeah. It I mean, that was still sort of the time where people would not maybe like formally arrange marriages, but like it'd be, oh, just go get married to like the first guy that comes along that can provide for you, basically. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Yeah. Well, and they she even went to say with her father's approval, yeah, they were married. So yeah. Oh, the good old days. Uh Braggs himself was the only child of a single mother. Oh, who insisted on living with him even after they were married. Oh. Yeah, so one of those those in-laws and single moms. Okay. Yeah. Because of the situation, the situation, uh, Bragg's mother took up a lot of his attention and limited nanny's activities. Despite the unwelcome guest, the couple went on to have four children between the years of 1923 and 1927. All four of them girls. So they just have four daughters. Girls are strong in her family. Yeah. That gene is dominant. Yeah. Uh, the couple unsurprisingly was not happy. Yeah. Not only for the mother situation, which is obviously gonna be stressful. Right. Probably more to Nanny than to him, maybe, depending on how he truly felt or about his mom, but he could have been just a full-on mama's boy. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Uh, Nanny was stressed. Uh, she started drinking, and her what once was a casual smoking habit turned into full-blown addiction.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Yeah. Both partners suspected the other of infidelity, correctly so. And Braggs would even disappear for days on end.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Mm-hmm. And there's a quote from Nanny about Braggs and his mom, and kind of that whole redeal-ish. Uh she said, I was married as my father wished in 1921 to a boy I only knew for about four or five months, who had no family, only a mother who was unwed and who had taken over my life completely when we married. She never seen anything wrong with what she done, but she would take spells. She would not let my own mother stay all night. Oh. Yeah, so she was controlling. Yeah. Yeah. Yikes. The worst kind of in law to marry into, unfortunately. Yeah. In 1927, tragedy struck, and the couple lost their two middle daughters to what was suspected as food poisoning. Soon after this, Braggs took their firstborn daughter, Melvina, and fled, but left the youngest, Florine, with Nanny.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Weird.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Yeah. Oh. Maybe because he didn't want to take because the youngest was a newborn. So maybe because he was like, I'll take the older one. Okay. I don't want to have to deal with and care for the newborn. Yeah. And I didn't see the details on it, but also makes sense of like, oh no, she was breastfed or something. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh closely following that, Bragg's mother died, and Nanny took up a job at the cotton mill to support Lorene and herself. It's basically separated single mother at that point. Yeah. Yeah. In 1928, Bragg's returned with Melvina as well as a divorcee with her own child. Oh my. Mm-hmm. Uh Nanny and Bragg's divorced soon after. Yeah. And Nanny took her two girls and returned to her mother's home.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Yeah. It's sad that Bragg's always maintained that he left Nanny because he was frightened of her. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Sure. Sure. Right, as a as a probably white man back in those times, to be afraid of your wife is kind of that's yeah, I don't know. Usually it was very much the other way around.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

So it was usually the very much the other way around. Granted, she didn't look like uh she wasn't I use this in a inaffectionate term, I suppose. She didn't look like an ogre of a woman or anything. Yeah. But she also was not some petite, right tiny, doubting or yeah, housewife. She was she was a stout woman.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

She was built, so depending on what Bragg's look like, she could have probably taken him. I mean, yeah, yeah. Uh 1929, Nanny met and married her second husband. It's round number two. Robert Franklin Harrelson. The new family lived together in Jacksonville. Okay. It was only a few months later that Nanny discovered that Robert was an alcoholic with a criminal record for assault. Oh. She really does a research.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Right. Well, I mean for marrying the man. Yeah. It's probably a lot harder to do back then.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

But at the same time dating for a little bit, maybe.

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Right, yeah.

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Yeah, you would think.

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Yeah.

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So, shockingly, despite this, their marriage lasted 16 years.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Yeah. Okay. Uh, time ticked on, and eventually Nanny's children were old enough to have children of their own. In 1943, her eldest, Melvina, gave birth to a son, uh, Robert Lee Haynes. Yeah, Haynes. And she went on to have another two years later, but that child quickly perished. And it's this is so weird, and I would have been so just livid and distraught. Um so after labor and being on um ether and all that stuff being groggy, she could have sworn she saw her visiting mother, Nanny, stick a hat pin into the baby's head.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

When she asked her sister and husband for clarification on what she'd seen, they stated that Nanny told them the baby was dead and noted that they did see her holding a pin, but the doctors couldn't give a positive explanation.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Yeah. So I don't know if she Yeah, that whole I guess she just stuck it in just right to where they wouldn't notice if the doctors were just really lacking.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Yeah, or I mean, yeah, if it's uh small enough And it was after labor, so it was a newborn, so Oh yeah, everything is Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Yeah. Yikes. Uh due to the grief, obviously, of losing that child, um, Melvina and her partner drifted apart, which led to later on Melvina starting to date a soldier that Nanny didn't approve of. Oh. Yeah. On July 7th of 1945, after Melvina left to visit her father after having a particularly nasty fight with her mother, uh, Melvina's son mysteriously died under Nanny's care. Wow. Yeah. I would say if you know your mom's kinda off, even if you don't have definitive proof. Yeah. Maybe take the child with you.

unknown 15:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Which, right, and depending on what you are doing, like if you were leaving for work and you don't have child care, then sure, like that you know, for her father. Right, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I know your father's a piece of work too, but maybe bring the kid.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

I mean, I know traveling with kids is not easy either, but like wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Uh yeah, and the the death was diagnosed as asphyxia from unknown cases. Or cause. Yeah, unknown cause. Just okay. But asphyxia of a child. Yep. Yep. And two months later, Nanny went on to collect $500 in life insurance that she had taken out on Robert. Hmm. Shocker. Yep. Here we go. Yep, here we go with the life insurance. Tale literally as old as time at this point. Also in 1945, things became tumultuous between Nanny and her husband Robert after he allegedly raped her. The next day, and Nanny slipped some rat poison into his corn whiskey jar and he was dead that evening. I mean the allegation, right? Yeah. Like uh it's allegedly, but uh well uh yeah. So that's the second husband. Uh now Nanny took to the Lonely Hearts column again and met her next husband, number three, Arlie Lanning. While traveling in Lexington, North Carolina. They were married. I'll just let you guess. How soon after meeting do you think they married?

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Two months. No? Oh gosh, two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Three days. She's got a track record, man. I know. So that's the shortest one yet that I I think happened. But yeah, three days after three days. Yeah, which I added three days later, which is an insane turnaround, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. And also led to the following. Nanny would come to find that just like her late husband Robert Harrelson, Arlie was also an alcoholic womanizer. It's almost like he was in the Lonely Hearts column for a reason. Right. Oh my gosh. Just you know what? It's service to her. She's just picking. Yeah. She's picking out all the abusive alcoholics from the Lonely Hearts column. Just doing whatever, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Wow. Um, yeah, so three days. Uh they their marriage in this marriage, actually, so even though he was an alcoholic womanizer, it was her who would disappear in sometimes for months on end. Okay. Uh-huh. Uh when she was home, however, she did play the perfect doting housewife. Just unsuspecting. Everything's fine. Uh, when he eventually died of what was suspected to be heart failure, the townspeople even supported her at the funeral, so she played her act quite well. Yeah. Yeah. When she was home. Right. But uh soon after, the couple's house went to it was left to Lanning's sister. And it burned down. And the insurance money went to Nanny, which she deposited quickly. Right. Yeah. Yeah. After Lanning's mother died in her sleep, Nanny left North Carolina and took up residence at her sister Dovey's home. Dovey, however, was bedridden and ended up soon dying after Nanny's arrival. I'm sure she had nothing to do with.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

And to keep to keep it going, the patterns and patterns. Uh Nanny would later join a dating service and meet her next husband, Richard L. Morton of Jamestown, North Carolina. And married in 1952. Or he's he's from Jamestown, North Carolina, but they married in Emporia, Kansas. Okay. And luckily for Nanny, this one didn't have a drinking problem. Oh. Yeah. Unluckily for Nanny, Richard was incredibly adulterous. Oh. Yeah. Not an alcoholic. I mean serial adulterer. Yeah. Uh yeah. Yikes. First, Nanny poisoned her mother Louisa in January of 1953, so sh just the following year. And then she ended up poisoning Richard three months later, which led to his death. Yeah. On May 19th of 1953. Wow. Yeah. I guess that's four months later, but yeah. Yeah. Still. Not wasting much time. No. So finally, also in 1953. So 1953 is a very busy year for Nanny. Yeah. Uh, she married a man named Samuel Doss. This will be her final of the husbands. Her last name on record is Nanny Doss. So this is the last one of Tulsaho Oklahoma. Samuel was a Nazarene minister who had lost his family, unfortunately and tragically, to a tornado in Carroll County, Arkansas. Yeah. Yikes. That sucks. Yeah. And that's very sad. Tornadoes now scare me, and I have to check with my friend in Missouri just to be like, you good?

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Just in case.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

But yeah, she really upgraded from alcoholic assaulter to another alcoholic to a adulterer to a Nazarene. Minister, who you would on paper hope is better than the other ones. You would hope. You would hope. And honestly, he was. His downside was a little bit different and interesting. So he wasn't unfaithful like her other husbands. He wasn't an alcoholic, but he did very much disapprove of the romance novels that Nanny has been obsessed with all of her life.

unknown 22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

He didn't like them being read. He just he did not approve of them. Which a Nazarene minister. Yeah, I can see it.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

In September, Samuel was admitted to the hospital with flu-like symptoms. He was diagnosed with a severe digestive tract infection.

unknown 23:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Luckily, he was treated and released upon recovery. Oh, okay. Yeah. On October 5th. On October 12th of 1954, uh, Samuel died. Oh. Yeah. So like he was good. And then seven days later. Because I think that was the same year. So take that one with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure the October 5th to the October 12th was literally the same year.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

So basically her first dose of poison didn't work well enough.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

That's what it seems like. Yeah. Yeah. Dang. Uh, the sudden death of Samuel alerted his doctor as a major red flag. Right. He's like, he just left.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Yeah.

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Um, and he ordered an autopsy on Samuel's body. The autopsy revealed a massive amount of arsenic in his system.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Yeah.

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Yeah. And Nanny was promptly arrested.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

She had killed him in a rush to collect the two life insurance policies that she had apparently taken out on him. Wow. So yeah, if that is true and she had initially poisoned him and then it didn't work, and she took out the life insurance policies and panicked when he came home. It was like, you're not supposed to be better. Right. You were supposed to die. Yeah. Yeah. Yikes. That's allegedly. But I mean, to be fair, she did still kill him in the end, so it's not that far-fetched. Yeah. Yeah. Uh in the end, Nanny did confess to killing four of her husbands. Her mother, her sister, her grandson, and her mother-in-law. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, she was prosecuted by J. Howard Edmondson and later pled guilty on May 17th, 1955. She was sentenced to life in prison. And though the state didn't pursue the death penalty due to her being a woman, uh, she would later die of leukemia in the hospital ward of the Oklahoma State Penitentiary in 1965. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. She led quite the life. Yeah. I will show you a picture of Nanny and why I was like, ah, she could have taken them. Just the the head injury that may or may not have started at all.

SPEAKER_02 25:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

But also, yeah, the upbringing and the everything else, and she just kind of took it from there.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

But also she looks so smiley and just happy and friendly, and you would not suspect anything different.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Yeah, no, not at all. Yeah, I yeah. She's she seems great. She seems like the one that will make you cookies and give you, you know, whatever, which, yeah, apparently I wouldn't take the coffee from her, but you know. Um, but yeah, no, very friendly looking, yeah, very, very grandmotherly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah, like I can see something like maybe a little sinister in those eyes, but it she I mean, I and that's also after reading everything, but I'm like, Yeah, like I don't know. Yeah, just there's her mood shot.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Yeah. I mean, that just looks like uh, you got me.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah. Yeah, apparently, uh, she had she like many serial killers, she didn't have much remorse for any of the murders that she had committed. Yeah. Uh she kind of laughed off all of her husband's murders and stuff. Yeah, it's just like, dang. Yeah. Alright.

unknown 27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

If I remember correctly from the part of the book that I read about her, and I didn't read the whole thing, but um it seemed like she would talk like all the time to the police, like be talking for hours and hours, and then they I think there was one, and it could be somebody else, so I don't know for sure if this was Nanny Doss, but I think it was her that they woke her up from her evening nap and she was like, I've been talking all the time. Why you gotta come and wake me up just to talk more, you know? And like, yeah, that she was just laughing and just not really nothing was super serious. It was just yeah, it seemed like she had fun talking to them, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Yeah, it would make her even kind of less suspicious because she I talk to you guys all the time, right? Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And this case, honestly, reading that kind of reminded me of um what was it? The member the people it was the hotel that they would just pick up hitchhikers, like hitchhiking ladies, and then it was a couple that did it, and then they would just go kill them.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Yeah, yeah.

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And it was like, yeah, and she's just finding men in the Only Hearts column. Yeah. Marrying them though, she did marry them, granted. Now looking back, I'm like, well, did she marry them so quickly? Also, because she's like, oh well, life insurance. Right. It's three days is insane.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Right? Cause yeah, I think I I sort of had the impression of her that she would marry like each husband she married, she was hoping that that was the one, or like, you know, the good one, the next like the good husband. Finally, this one will be the right one.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

The perfect one, yeah. Cause yeah, none of them it I did read that like none of them lived up to her standards. Right. Pretty much, which look, go off. Right, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Uh she knew what she wanted. Yeah. She did not take less. Yeah. She, however, did also kill them for not keeping up to her standards. Yeah. That's not that's not the way to go about it. Just just divorce them, let them go. Don't let them go be a piece of shit to somebody else, I suppose. Right. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

I mean, yeah, she could have seen it as doing women a favor.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I mean, probably did. She's like, I'm just taking another problem off the market then. Right. All right. Honestly, with how she is, I yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Um, yeah. I am sad about like her sister though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, why why why? Well, I mean, yeah, and the her daughter's children. Her nephew was yeah, her nep her her uh grandsons.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah, that is wild because she did like I can joke about the killing of the husbands, but the kids, that is a total she doesn't think the family that had been there for her.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Like she went to stay at her sister's house.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Which means her sister opened up the house to her and then she killed her sister anyway.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

It's like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

None of that makes sense. She does not like just the appearance that she has and like all the things, like it does not seem like she like that would be her, you know, right, her target or anything. I'm like, what did a newborn do to you, you know?

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yeah. But yeah, the newborn ones could be.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

I know that's maybe allegedly also, but still it's like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Allegedly-ish, but at least three accounts of I swear I saw her with a pin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Yeah. I don't yeah. That's so bad.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

A way to do it too, by the way. Oh my god. Right. That's very it seems very calculated. That one in particular. The other ones, I mean, they're they're calculated. She poisoned them. So it's like here's this rat poison, arsenic, here that, but uh happen. Yeah. That's yeah. So that is the life of Nanny Doss. And yeah, there are so many photos of her just you would not suspect this woman to be the way she was. She looks like a just happy, literally giggling grandma, full of life, jovial. Right?

SPEAKER_02 31:50

That one I'm assuming they're walking out of court. Maybe. Maybe, but it looks like she's like pulling someone to go dance. Like she's just yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Wow. Sh she's just like mid-laugh, smiling big yeah. It's yeah. Which also goes to show that sometimes it is the people that you least expect.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Yeah. Like obviously, we get the super charismatic people, which I'm sure, honestly, by looking at her, she probably was. She was probably the life of the party. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And unfortunately just happened to be the dangerous one. Right. But yeah. She was an interesting case. I too saw the nicknames of the giggling grannies. I was like, who is this woman? Like, what do you mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

It was a wild read. And it's like, oh, yeah, just no men were good enough for her. The the other murders are way more tragic and just don't also aren't in line with the husband's thing. It's so strange.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

I guess that could also lead to the giggling granny one over the uh lonely hearts column killer.

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Yeah.

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Which was another. And I was like, oh yeah, that checks out. Yep.

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Yeah.

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There you go. There's Nancy Doss. Yeah. I'm happy I could tell you more about her. Right? And there you go for you guys. But just just uh. Be wary. Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

I was gonna say beware the grannies, but that's kind of not true for everybody. But you know, sometimes I love my granny, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:30

She's great. It's just so wild, so crazy. Yeah. Also, maybe beware of people that want to marry you in like three days, three days of meeting. That's that should probably be a red flag. Even if you're like, oh, soulmates, this feels real. Give it a month, right? Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Yeah. Sometimes let that initial feeling, you know, give it give it something. Let the butterflies die for a second.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Yeah. Yeah. Even the four months, and that was her first one. Somebody that she knew three or four months before. That's yeah. I did she was also sixteen then. Right. We remember how it is to be sixteen, so Yep. Yep. No. Yeah. Choices are not correct. But yeah. Alright. Now you guys know. That is the the life and death of Nanny Doss and her killings, and rest in peace to the victims, even if I don't agree with their ways of running their lives or their actions.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Or other people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And with that, catch you in the next one, and Jenny will have some fun case first, I'm sure. We'll see. Yeah. I'll have something.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Fun asterisk. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Take care, everybody. Bye.

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Bye.