Murder, She Planted | Jarrod Davidson

In July 2004, Jarrod Davidson — 27, chemistry student, devoted father — was shot and killed outside his Santa Barbara apartment after answering a knock at the door. Left on his doorstep: a potted Persian Violet and a gift card with his name misspelled.

What followed was one of the more methodical investigations in recent California true crime history: five months of surveillance, DNA lifted from a plastic card holder, cell tower records that put two people exactly where they said they weren't, and a confession extracted only after prosecutors agreed to leave someone else off the hook entirely.

Jenny covers the case from plant purchase to life sentence — with a brief detour into Victorian flower symbolism, because of course.

Content note: this episode includes discussion of child custody disputes and unsubstantiated allegations of child abuse used as a defense justification.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I'm Chelsea. And I'm Jenny.

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And this is Death the Garcade.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

What do we have today? Alright. Well, today we have still a murder, but there are no plants involved in the the poisoning aspect of things. It's yeah, it's a it's an interesting one.

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Okay.

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So we love plants. We have a few. A few. We've given each other plants. Several. We've given some to others. We've received plants as gifts. People give plants as gifts for all kinds of reasons. To say congratulations. Welcome home. I'm sorry for your loss. But the plant that was gifted in this case was given for a very different reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Jared Davidson and Kelly Jones met while in college thanks to a misprint on the schedule. That's quite the coincidence. Yeah, it was something about like that they were at the right class but on the wrong days or something, and they just happened to meet, and that was Honestly. I love those love stories. That's fun. Right.

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Assuming that this is a love story.

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They moved in together about a year after they met. And soon after, Jared and Kelly were announcing to his parents that she was pregnant.

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Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

They were married in January 2000, and their daughter was born in July. They were both still in school. Jared was teaching part-time, and Kelly was a waitress. So Kelly's parents became the childcare as it happens. Yep. And it's California and in the early 2000s. So, like, yeah, childcare was still crazy.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yeah. It's California. Childcare is always crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Everything's crazy. Yeah. But Jared and Kelly had some problems in their marriage. Kelly became convinced that Jared was sleeping with a study partner because he wasn't home enough. So he's also in school and teaching part-time. So I would say that that's, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Busy.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Yeah. Uh before their daughter's first birthday, Jared moved out and filed for divorce.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Wow. Um, Kelly moved in with her parents and worked out a visitation schedule, sort of. There was a pretty significant dispute over custody and visitation. Kelly had primary custody and Jared had visitation, but Kelly would make it very difficult for Jared to see his daughter.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Uh, that's not great.

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No, to the point police were involved multiple times as mediators.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Dang.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Kelly, you need some chill.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Yeah. A judge condemned Kelly at one point for not allowing Jared to see their daughter and suggested that if she does not respect the court orders, that she could lose custody. Because that's how that works. Yep. Uh, there was a legal battle over custody, and at some point Kelly accused Jared of molesting their daughter. Wow. The police were called to investigate the claim because it's a serious allegation. Jared took polygraph tests and they all determined it was not a true allegation. Like, yeah, it just She just really did not you know Dang. Yeah. So a hearing was scheduled for what I believe to be Jared asking for custody. It wasn't super clear. Uh, but 19 days before the hearing, Jared was murdered.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Ow.

unknown 4:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

That's dang. Poor Jared. Jared cut the shit out of the stick of all of that. That's so unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah. So Jared was home at his apartment in Santa Barbara, California, on a July 9th in 2004. There was a knock at the door, and after he stepped outside, he was shot. Wow. Multiple people called 911 after hearing the shots and heard someone yelling. An investigator noted that there was more blood than he had seen at any crime scene, and that while Jared was alive and taken away in an ambulance, the investigator was like, he was dead when he hit the ground. Like it was just, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

He was alive, as in his heart was still beating, but he was gone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

Yeah. An unusual item was found at the crime scene. A potted plant with a card. Okay. The card said, for my teacher, and Jared's name was misspelled. The plant was a Persian violet, which I'll talk about that later. They had the idea that someone knocked on the door, put the potted plant outside his door to lure him out and shoot him. They found where the plant was sold at a store nearby and obtained surveillance video. Yeah. They found a woman buying a potted plant about 15 minutes before the murder. She was wearing a baseball hat and a baggy sweatshirt, which also matched the description of a person leaving Jared's apartment complex after the shooting. She appeared to be the same size and build and walked similar to Kelly, and also had the sleeves of the sweatshirt pulled over her hands so she didn't touch the pot and leave any prints. Uh-huh. Yeah. Investigators spoke to Kelly, but she had an alibi. She was 90 miles away with a friend. Yeah. It's a good one if you have another person to like actually say that you were there, but also friend of Kelly is gonna be like, oh, of course she was there.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Of course she was. No, she would never do something like that. Yeah, I would require more proof that you were 90 miles away.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

So the investigators looked at the card that was with the plant, and I love this quote from a CBS news article. The potted plant would play a pivotal role.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

We love important plants.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yes. Um, if only plants could speak. I know. They obtained a search warrant for Kelly's DNA because they were trying to build a case against her. Like, even with an alibi. Yeah. They were aware of the custody dispute, and it seemed likely that she was involved. So they decided to talk to her parents because Kelly said that she was extremely close with her parents, Mindy and Phil. It seemed that Kelly didn't make decisions on her own, even after being married and having a family of her own. Like she would either consult them or they would just tell her what to do, basically. Oh. And she would that's like she was like okay with that though.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

It didn't really seem like a It wasn't a hostile situation. It was she kind of preferred it that way, and that's just how she lived her life.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah, it kinda seems that way. That's the impression I got. So they were very supportive of Kelly and their granddaughter and didn't seem to mind taking on the childcare role while speaking with Mindy and Phil and asking about their involvement with Jared's murder, because you know, they gotta talk to everybody. Investigators learned that Phil had been in a car accident in the 80s that left him disabled, like his arms or hands or you know something, and that he couldn't, like, especially in this case, couldn't hold a rifle.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Like he couldn't He didn't have the the grip strength, maybe or something to okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

They also said that they had been on a beach about 90 miles away at the time of the murder. So police conducted surveillance on Phil and Mindy, though, and watched Phil carrying a case of wine. With his supposedly disabled arm? Yeah. Getcha. Of both arms. Yeah. He was he was uh it was it was a pretty hefty looking case of wine, so okay. Yeah. Um they also checked cell phone records and found that they were not on a beach. They were actually on a highway traveling toward Jared's apartment.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yeah. I don't remember 2004 super, super well, but like I don't think that it was common knowledge that like police could find your location from your like cell phone records back then, because that wasn't like Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Is that the before times of knowing that they can tap into anything you have? I think so. Okay. I think like that was a big break when it happened.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah, yeah. Cause yeah, I mean smartphones. I don't even know if that was like I feel like 2006 might have been when smartphones became a thing or 2007.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah, because let's I graduated in 2011. Yeah, that would be middle school times.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Yeah. So they just probably weren't even thinking about that aspect. Uh when the DNA results came back, though, from the card, they learned that it was not Kelly's DNA, it was her mother's. So one of the detectives, Detective Sorensen, describes what he believes happened. Uh Mindy's name is actually Melinda, so. Melinda went up to the door, placed the plant down on the doorstep, knocked on his door while Philip was about 15 to 20 feet away over in the bushes with that high-powered rifle. Jared peered out the window to look to see what was outside. He went to get the plant, and at that point, Philip Jones shot and killed him. A family that murders together stays together?

SPEAKER_00 10:26

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

And they were all arrested. Yeah. Not together, but they were all arrested. Yeah. Uh, they believed that Mindy was the mastermind, that she came up with the plan to remove Jared from their lives. There was no like hard evidence that Kelly was involved, but investigators suspect that she knew the whole plan. They all entered not guilty pleas. Of course. Which, you know, as you should, honestly. Yeah. But uh, Phil rescinded his guilty plea after a while and was actually ordered to testify in his wife's trial. He was also diagnosed with terminal lung cancer after a couple or yeah, a couple months after being arrested.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

I mean, yeah, at that point, if you're like, cool, I'm gonna die, and may as well clear my conscience.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because that's like people even asked if that was like a motivating factor to do the shooting was oh, well, he knew he was gonna die, so it didn't really matter. And he's like, I didn't know yet that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah, he didn't know that until after he was arrested. Karma.

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Yeah. So Phil and Mindy were both charged with first degree murder by lying in wait, which is like a special kind of circumstance.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Yeah.

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Um, Phil took a plea deal with the goal of getting a deal for Kelly and ended up admitting that he had shot Jared, and that he and Mindy believed that was the only solution. Phil claimed that they truly believed Jared was molesting their granddaughter and that he needed to be stopped.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Hmm.

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Which you could say that you truly believed that. And I think they even tried to use that as a defense, and the judge wouldn't allow it because there wasn't any proof of Because they already went down that road. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Like, no, we already proved you wasn't doing that thing. Yeah. So I'm assuming just because they love their daughter so much, she convinced them and they're like, Yeah, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Either she convinced them or that was just the whole ruse that they were, you know, going under because it was just easier to take them out, and then they could all have their happy little life.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Cause I could also see Mindy being the mastermind of the murder, concocting that to stop visitation rights and just get him to initially, and then when that didn't work, be like, alright, cool, we'll just kill him. Yep. Like that's not the solution, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

So Phil was sentenced to life in prison without parole. I mean, and then yeah, he died in May of 2007. Yeah. Uh for Mindy's trial, she tried to claim amnesia.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

And uh, I think it was even her attorneys tried to deem her like incompetent to stand trial. And the judge was like, that's not, that's not a reason for that. Good try, though. Right. And I even I think an article I saw that, and I don't remember when the article was written, but it was something about even to this day, she says that she can't remember anything.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Okay.

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Uh, but yeah, so she was also sentenced to life in prison without parole. During sentencing, Mindy sat silent and motionless, staring blankly forward, even when Davidson's relatives and friends described her as evil, hateful, and manipulative. I mean, yeah. So, and then for Kelly, she was convicted of perjury and being an accessory to murder and served two of her four-year sentence.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Okay, but perjury?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Because I'm assuming the guilt or the not guilty plea or something. I didn't dig into that one because a lot of the articles were focused on Mindy more than anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Which is fair, being the mastermind of the whole thing. Yeah, or believed to have been the mastermind of the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. And the Amish. Right. Okay, so Kelly served two of her four years.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Yeah. And I have no idea what happened after, but um Jared's parents had custody of Jared and K Kelly's daughter, and were concerned about what would happen in the future after Kelly's release. Because she already was part of murdering their son.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Yeah, so her daughter. What's to stop her from hiring somebody or convincing somebody else to murder the parents?

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. And I even saw that uh I think it was the same detective that said that he's asked about it all the time. Like what happened to the daughter, like what whatever happened, and he's like, I have no idea. And I try to forget about this case because it's so crazy. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

I wonder if they entered witness protection or something, maybe to change her name to so she couldn't find her daughter after. Cause yeah.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

That would be one of those cases that, yeah, maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah. Or yeah, just protective orders like crazy. Cause yeah, a judge would have to be like, oh yeah, Kelly is totally fine to have visitation. Or it could be like incredibly supervised visitation. Like sometimes it's even at a court or not a courthouse, but like some law enforcement type of building. They can have like incredibly supervised. Visitation room kind of visitation. Yeah. But yeah, so that is mostly about I mean, that's pretty much the end of that. I have a little bit about Jared that he was described as a great guy who loved his daughter a lot. The 48 hours episode I watched included videos of Jared with his daughter, and it was evident that he loved her and seemed like a fun dad. Uh he was going to UC Santa Barbara and loved chemistry. That was like a big thing. Yeah. Uh his family only had good things to say, which of course every family is going to, but like it didn't seem like covering up for bad behaviors or anything. Yeah. And he was also only 27 when he was murdered.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Dang.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yeah. And in my oh so humble opinion, it seemed, which we pretty much already talked about it, but that Kelly really just wanted sole custody of her daughter.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

To just be with her parents in their little controlling bubble. And I think they were all really manipulative. Like crazy manipulative.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Which, in hindsight, is probably, I mean, the silver lining is it's good that that kid is no longer in that situation to grow up with that because he knows.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah. Okay, so then a little bit about the Persian violet, because I have never heard of this plant before.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

I feel like I've heard about it.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

I'm trying to picture it and I can't, but uh, it is a plant that is native to Yemen.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

It has cute little bluish purple flowers, and it grows in like a rocky terrain in its native habitat. It's also not a true violet. It is closer to impatience, which I forgot to look up, but I've heard that before. But it kind of just reminded me of like, I mean, like it's a really small flower on a kind of shrubbery looking thing. A little bit, almost like a ground cover without being like the trailing. Oh, okay. I don't know. It's it's cute. It's not one that I would like look at and be like, oh, that's a great indoor plant. I don't know. Um, but it can be kept as an indoor potted plant, and though it is a biennial, it is usually treated as an annual. Which is interesting in this case that the plant is done and discarded after it flowers. A plant grown to be used up and thrown away, like how the Joneses discarded Jared. Oof. And violets have been a symbol of like remembrance and also like being faithful and like everlasting love. And I was like, that's Yeah, they chose them for a reason. Right? I was like, I highly doubt that they were smart enough to like know any of that when they bought it, but they might have known like one thing maybe and been like yeah, well, guess what? Right. But yeah. And yeah, I called this episode Murder She Planted. It's a good name.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

That sucks for Jared. Yeah. At least the daughter is in what we can only assume. Or I guess this was early 2000s, so was in what we can only assume, uh good hands or better hands than the situation that she could have ended up staying in.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Cause yeah, I have no idea. And it definitely also sounded like it affected her as a very small child, because I think she would have only been about three when it all happened.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

And she might have I mean she could have also trauma blacks out sometimes in lives, but yeah, there's a chance that she could just have very vague memories, and then yeah, so it's like uh and we don't know what happened to Kelly.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I didn't look into her, like the Google suggestion was like, oh, her today, and I was like, Oh, I don't know if that'll like her, right? Yeah, I was like, I don't know if that'll give me what I want. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Yeah. Only two years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean she didn't do the murder. So I'm thinking from like a legal standpoint of trying to get her in for more years, but if anything, she was more of just like a nuisance and a problem.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

A hostile nuisance and a problem, but a nuisance and a problem nonetheless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Not an active killer. Yeah. Well, and like, yeah, even in the 48 hours episode, because it had an interview with her, like while she was in prison and stuff, and she just, I don't know. It's easy to judge people that have been connected to murder, but she just seemed like she had like a high-pitched kind of voice, and like just kind of the hi sweet eagles.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

And the customer service voice is what I like to call it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Yeah. And like, oh, everything was perfect. And it's like, no, it clearly was not. Like, no. Yeah. Like there was a story from his cousins when they were like with Kelly, like one time, and she had brought up how Jared doesn't squeeze the toothpaste right. And one of the cousins was like, Oh, well, yeah, I have that same issue with like my husband, so we just have or boyfriend or whatever, we just have two separate tubes of toothpaste, and that solved the problem. And then Kelly was like, acted like that was crazy, and she was like, No, he just needed.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

This woman. Nah, she's a fault. She's a fault. The toothpaste is the tipping point. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I was like, I don't even care of what our like I What do you mean he doesn't use the tooth?

SPEAKER_00 22:19

He doesn't squeeze the toothpaste right. I mean like a squeeze versus roll squeeze.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

I could guess that maybe he just would like, because this is the only way that it would drive me crazy, is if you squeeze it from the middle so then the toothpaste goes to the end of it and you don't squeeze it back down. And even then, I would just do that every time I go to use it. Like that doesn't feel like a a a thing to even bring up in a conversation.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Yeah, I really don't feel like that's that detrimental of an issue.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Right? Like that was just that was crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

So doesn't squeeze the toothpaste, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Yeah, that's a far-fetched claim from molesting her daughter. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Uh yeah, she seems interesting. She reminds me of a few other ladies who have since gone to jail for things with marital issues and children and whatnot. One specific one. I can't remember her name right now, but I I do not like her. I can't remember. The one who killed her daughters. It was off partying.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Oh. Casey Anthony. Oh yeah, that one. Yep. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. Xanny the nanny. That was Xanax. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

That's neither here nor there. Yeah. Kelly in my brain fits into that kind of category, except that she wanted the soul control. Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah. The target was the husband and not the the child. Not the killed kill.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yeah. And I could definitely believe from what you were saying, it could definitely be from a control perspective. She wanted soul control over it. Or she wanted her parents to have soul control. Yeah. Her parents convinced her that just yeah, like I sure know it's a whole messy situation.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

I feel like it was just a back and forth of convincing each other of the different things and then everybody gaslighting everybody. Yeah, and then the only solution was Jared's, like, or Jared's just the problem here. So we're just gonna remove that.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

The common factor is just Jared. It's like, no, he's the only sane one of all of you, is what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Also, the oh, he's sleeping with a student. He's a student actively teaching. Schoolwork and grading other kids' schoolwork takes some time.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, chemistry to me is not like super fast, like, you know, you're gonna have to be doing tests and like, you know, mixing things and waiting on things, like, you know, or whatever. It's just like that yeah. So yeah. And I think even his parents had made the comment of they thought that she got pregnant on purpose, like to like do the fun trap him thing. Right, but then decided he'd, you know, yeah. Apparently he wasn't what she wanted either. So yeah.

unknown 25:21

Dang.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Unfortunate situation sucks that he yeah, had to die for crazy people. Right. I use the term like well, yeah, no. Not well. Yes. Not mentally well. Yeah. Good for the kid gain of the situation, and I don't know what Kelly's doing, but yeah, that as curious as I am, I also don't care as long as she's not up to her same bullshit. Right. She does it to other people.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

So with both of her parents in jail, well, one of them dead and the other one in jail, probably less influence.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Maybe. I don't know. I could see them having daily phone calls.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Oh, with her mother, probably.

unknown 26:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

That just that's the impression that I get from their relationship as like, yeah, I can't I hopefully nobody else has to suffer the same fate.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Just stay away from her. Right. Unless she's fully reformed. Just maybe don't with that one.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, because I mean that's the I guess the best case hope for her is that she was heavily influenced by her parents.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

And being able to be out of that direct influencing environment can kind of fix her brain a little bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah. Or maybe a little therapy. It'd be like, you have a really not healthy relationship with your mother. You should maybe um focus on yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Yeah. Oh yeah, because yeah, not choosing to have a parent make decisions for you and not make them yourself is also just you have no coherent thought. Mm-hmm. You're yeah, literally just having other people choose for you. Yeah. I hope she fixed that. Yeah. I do too. That's my hope for her. Yeah. Which viol Persian violet? Is that no? No, I don't know. I feel like the mom knew. Oh yeah. I think she knew the the meanings behind that violet when she shows it.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

I mean, yeah, you never know. You never know. You never know. Cause yeah, I mean, I was just like, oh, it's probably just like the cheapest potted plant, like at the grocery store that like you don't you're not gonna like buy like a $30, $40 orchid and leave out there, you know, like you're gonna get something that just draws attention, but isn't you know, you're not gonna waste money on the person that you're gonna murder. So, you know.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

I wish they would have done like an internet history search. Just like checked our browser history and scene. Right. Still give plants to people. Oh, yeah. Maybe don't kill them after. Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Yeah. I'm gonna be real concerned if somebody brings a potted plant to my door. I mean, at least you have cameras. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Are they leaving it and leaving? Right. Not gonna just step outside and just yell through the door, thank you, you can go now.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Right. I I I feel like I don't have anybody out there that's like really wanting to murder me, though. So I think we're okay. Yeah, I think you're fine.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

We're we're all the villains in somebody's story, but I don't think you have anybody that would take it that far. Right. I hope so. Yeah, hopefully. That was a very interesting one for this week.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah. Figured I'd I don't know. I saw it when I was watching some random show. It was so not a good show, but just poorly done. But I was like, yeah, that's that's the next one. I've done a lot of poisoning, so we'll do still plant-related.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

That's a good uh way to do it. I don't know. Words are escaping me now. Words are hard. Right. No, I like it, yeah. Gifting of plants as a symbolism or as a coaxing to come outside. Right. Well, that is it for today. Yep. We will catch you all next week, and I think I have um a poisoning case. But we'll see you then. Until then, take care and watch over unsuspected plants that show up at your doorstep.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Right. And just always buy more plants because it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Bye. Bye.