Episode: 11 Season: 1 More March Madness

This week, we try to make sense of the March Madness… and also mourn the complete destruction of our brackets. Seriously, if your bracket is still alive, congratulations. We break down all the wild upsets, last-second heartbreakers, and “where did THAT team come from?” moments that definitely didn’t ruin your week.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 0:18

Back for another cast. D D sports. March Madness, man. What a great round of first games. Second round games. Great as well. Yeah. There were weren't a ton of upsets. I was honestly expecting a little bit more personally. But I was able to watch a good amount of the games, and they were all they were all pretty solid. But like this Duke Sienna game, Siena was hanging in, hanging in with Duke for majority of the game. Yeah, they were up by. They didn't sub anybody in the entire game. Yeah. Sienna only played five people until the last 10 seconds they suffed somebody in for the last 10 seconds. But yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that's that's what everybody was saying about that team. Like if they would have just just used a few more players for like five, ten minutes and just gave them a little bit of a breather so they could have came out for the last five minutes and been able to have some more energy. Um, but yeah, no, I mean it's it was a tough way to see Sienna go out. They were definitely devastated at the end of it. But um yeah, I mean, you always figured that Duke was gonna was gonna play some defense at the end of it and get the stops they needed to. Yeah. Um But I think the other biggest upset was probably high point over Wisconsin. And I was I was watching most of that game. That was a that was another great game. High point, well, I mean, banging threes all game, staying with Wisconsin, like I mean, beating, beating the majority of the game. Like high point. A lot of people were saying they only lost by three, four games on the season, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

High point.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

I'm not sure. I I don't know their I don't know their record overall. We looked it up. They did end up losing to Arkansas next rounds, um, 94-88. And it's that 5-12.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Always you gotta look out for yeah every year some at least one or two fucking 5-12 upsets. I don't know what it is about uh 5-12, but oh yeah, they came out there shooting shit, you know what I'm saying? And also, you know, when a team like that, man, when they they playing like a lot of times, all they need is like to believe. Right? Like they just I mean, confidence is everything, you know what I'm saying? Like even in like your everyday approach in life. Yeah. I mean, confidence is if you got the confidence to do something, then nothing can stop you from doing it. You know what I mean? So like you and it's you know, same thing in basketball, like you shooting and you missing, like, and you know you get in your head and like you okay, you start changing shit that you don't, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like once you get the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Right, yeah, and that confidence, like, I mean, that's just get a get, I mean, when you got a group of guys around you that you know they know or like you know they know that like how you're gonna play. Like, like they like they know how to feed off your energy, you know how to feed off theirs. So it's just kind of like like just once you get like just once you get that camaraderie built with all the teammates, it's like and you can just all gel together. Um like yeah, so they they only did lose four games. And so when you're coming into when you're coming into a tournament game and you've only got four losses and you're a 12 seed, like it's not like like it's not like they were a sick, like it's not like they were one of those lower seeds, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Like so they're a 12 seed just because strictly off uh strength of schedule and where they are, but that's you know, um kind of what I uh touched on before in the last episode is like it's different when you come into a um a game and you haven't seen, you have like really no tape on this team at all. You mean like they played against some you haven't played in haven't played against anybody who's played against like yeah exactly so it's like they coming in, they they ain't got they playing with house's money. I mean, they ain't got shit to lose. They expected to lose. So they come in loose, they come in ready, they come in, you know what I'm saying? Like, so uh in Wisconsin kind of really, you mean it was up and down this year. You mean very inconsistent. They were beating good teams, though. They were yeah. Yeah, but it was losing to bad teams, you know what I mean? So like the inconsistency was like up and down, and then you feel like they got thrashed in the Big Ten tournament, and they lose by No, Michigan beat them by a buzzing beater. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Well, so I mean, all right, but still I just you know, Wisconsin, I was one of the ones that I and I I I picked high point to beat them just after, you know, looking at their record and seeing the teams that they did beat and the close loss. They had all close losses. Um I'm like high point. Yeah, and I'm like, they I mean they you know they they got the confidence they come in there and get the shooting shit, you know, it's a different different story. Yeah you know what I mean. Like, especially if you got one player or two that's just like a dog, right? Like it don't matter if he's playing D1, D2, D3, you know what I mean? Like, he's gonna get off. He's gonna get his buckets. Like, you know what I mean? My man's from Arkansas. Yeah. You know, regardless of the situation, even if you if you shut down everybody on that team, bro's gonna get his 30-35. You know what I'm saying? He's just a bona fide scorer. You know, you get those players on them teams and nobody heard of. And he's like, okay, now we know who this dude is. Never seen this dude, never heard of him. You mean kind of like Curry uh back with Davidson. Yeah, yeah. When he tried that crazy game, I mean, people knew who he was because of you know his dad and shit like that, and like easy to shoot, but you know, Davidson is not a regular team in a tournament. You know what I'm saying? Like, so like when you got a player like that, you always got a chance because it's one game. You know what I mean? But the chances you are you winning a championship, it's not gonna happen, but you definitely could beat a team that's not only a game that's you know, I mean, a higher rank than you or whatever, um, especially if you get hot.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

No, and I mean I mean they had a close game against Arkansas too in the next round, like, and our Arkansas is another one of those teams that one I don't remember what his name is I was watching that game, the Arkansas game.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Um Cuff. You know, but on the other side as a point guard. The dude was fast as fuck. Every time I looked up Who were on the on high point? Yeah, every time I looked up, bro, it was like, you know, getting to the cup easily. He's a he's a point guard for the number four, I believe. Um, but no, yeah, I watched I watched actually it's one of the few games that I did catch uh most of when I was at work and I even went home and finished watching this literally back and forth.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

The Wisconsin High Point game.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

No, the uh sorry. That game was just that was a great game. Like it was I thought hot I thought High Point was gonna pull it off. Yeah, they had a chance. I mean they did yeah, they had more than a chance. I mean, they like they they played fucking Arkansas tough. I mean, they gave them a run for their money. Yeah. I mean, to put up 88 on them, like it was a high score game for sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Oh, yeah. Um, and yeah, I mean, just the way Arkansas was playing. I mean, like just um just winning the SEC tournament. Um Who did they my blank and only they beat first rounds? I feel like they had a um It was a trap. I don't think it was a team. They're they're a four of them. Yeah, they're a four C so they had to play a 13.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Yeah, so it was yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:49

They blew them up.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

I think it was like Auburn, maybe. Not Auburn, I don't know. It was a they they ended up blowing them out though. Okay, I know that.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Well, oh yeah, I mean just for high point, high point putting up a good game. So I mean, but so I mean, what's the what's the next lowest seed that's still make is it Texas, I think is the 11 because they beat BYU first rounds. Um they had to play in.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, they so they had three games. They were the uh they had three games and and well, four nights or whatever, because they played Tuesday, played Thursday, they played Saturday. So yeah, I mean, and so yeah, and it's crazy because like they were um the the what 11th there's 11th seed, and BYU is a four seed, right? Or five, or what was BYU is six, six, right? Yeah, I think six and eleven. So five and twelve. Yeah, so six and eleven seed. But it's the differential and the losses only, I think, three games. So I just you know, it's just crazy how that strength is scheduled and just who you lost and who you play can, you know, change um a lot. So that's why I really I mean, even though, you know, on if you're looking at the bracky, like this is a kind of an upset, but you know, Texas playing in what the Big 12, right? We are we talk about that's one of the top two, one or two conferences, whatever. You know, if you want to put them number one in Big Ten, uh But they're the Big Ten and Big 12 are the best two college conferences in basketball, right? So like you think about like Texas, yeah, they lost, they got 14 losses, but they look at who they lost to. You mean they lost to Iowa State, they lost to fucking Texas Tech, they lost to Arizona, they lost to Houston, they lost to a lot of.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

They lost to Ole Miss in the first round of the tournament.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Oh, Texas?

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah. I think Ole Miss was Ole Miss.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

They still how do they lose in the first round of the tournament?

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Uh yeah, Ole Miss was 15 and 20 on the year, 4 and 14 in conference, and that's the same. Oh, so they love that. Yeah, I'm talking about the conference tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

I mean, I don't and also match us. That's what I'm saying. Like they're the whole body. What were BYU where are they at? What conference?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Um, because I know the name of it, bro. It's not like no, they're in the Big 12.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Are they?

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yeah, they're in the Big 12 too. That's right. Yeah, I was gonna say they're in the same or yeah, like Arizona.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

So who won when they played earlier like in the year? Did they play each other in the regular state? BYU and Texas. Iowa State? No, BYU in Texas.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Oh, I don't think so, no.

unknown 10:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Well, because yeah, Texas is 20 and 14, I think.

unknown 10:35

Or no.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

No, what?

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Bro, I'm tripping. What? No, so this is the Southeastern Conference, and then the Big 12 is what, like Houston, Iowa State, and all that.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Wait, that's wait, yeah, that's why I'm like, wait, when you said they're not, I'm like, they're in an ST.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

No, so Texas is in the ST in the ST.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Yeah, okay, yeah. So that's why I said in Texas, they play, yeah, the teams. Wait, yeah, okay. I'm sure. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Um, but anyway. No, I mean, no, like, I mean, like just like the fact that you're saying like that Texas has played pretty I mean, Texas hasn't played on a bunch of amazing teams. Like they like. Okay, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

That was my fault. Okay. I was thinking they're still in the Big 12. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

No, Texas low-key got some pretty bad losses, but I mean they're they're piecing it up uh at the right time. So I mean they only won they only beat NC State by two points. They get 68-66, and then they've I mean they've uh seven points to BYU and then six points to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga's a three seed and it only lost three. It only lost three games on the year. They could beat Purdue too. Yeah, maybe. Whatever. I mean, Purdue, Purdue finished the year pretty strong, and they've been playing pretty well in the tournament so far as well. Um, I want to say they put up like 90 on um the first team they played. I can't point it up. Queens. Yeah, they put up 104. 104 to 71, then 79, 69 to Miami. I don't know. I mean, it could be a good game if Texas Texas shows up, but Purdue is seven and a half favorites.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

I think Texas might cover that. Yeah. I might.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

I think it's it it'll be if they start off good, then yeah, but if it, you know, if uh they're uh if they're losing by like if they're having to play from behind all games, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

It's gonna be tough, yeah. They playing strictly off of you know high emotion and confidence right now. Uh Purdue has a better team. They've been better all year, so but also I mean that that that can be a recipe for disaster too sometimes because you know you come in there um not really respecting your opponent, and then you know, next thing you know, you down by fucking eight points with two minutes of goal and you're like, damn, like motherfuckers actually beat you. I mean, they're about to beat us like and this is and that's why I'm like the way they playing, you know, Texas they've played good and they got good defense from what I've seen. And so we got something like that in Purdue. Like I said, Miami, that game didn't look the best against Miami. Okay. They won by 12, but Miami's kind of in that game for uh the majority of the game. Longer than they should have been.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, yeah.

unknown 13:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

So I mean, yeah. I mean, all these sweet 16 games, so I mean, I think should all be pretty solid for the most part. I mean, I guess we can finish talking about this. Um I think we're pretty much through the first rounds, all the good first round games. I mean, all the teams that should have won for the like there were some some like eight, nine, um, like seven, like uh who was like seven eleven or seven twelve matchups that were some upsets, but um for the main part teams that were supposed to win like higher seeds, higher seeds won. Florida. Yeah, well, so no, that was until the second round, though. Oh, yeah. So but so second round, um, I think so. I was I mean, I was at work for the St. John's Kansas game, but I was still watching most of it. Um back and forth all game. I mean St. John's was up for the most part majority of the game, but then Kansas made a pretty good run at the end. And then I mean that foul situation at the end of the game was weird. Like I th I thought that it was a pretty good strategy when I was seeing it, like, because they were like, I mean, they just weren't really they just weren't letting him get into a set, like just weren't letting him run a play at all. Like after a few seconds, they were just fouling again, and they still like they had like what six fouls to give or something. Because I think they had two fouls with like however much time there was left in the game for the whole half. Um, but then yeah, the play with three seconds left, just let him get right down to the right down to the rim and get an open layup, finish the game. I mean so I don't crazy. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I was I was a little I was a little bit surprised to see that from Kansas, to be honest. Like um because maybe like maybe if you're Kansas, like you can like you still have enough time to get a shot up because I I want to say there was like 13 seconds left or something when they started to play that foul game and then they killed it, they killed 10 seconds and put it down to three. Um and but so like at that point the game's tied. I mean, I guess like yeah, I can't or St. John's just probably just gonna hold it until like for a game winner. But at that point, like I mean, like what are you like are you just playing defense? Like I mean, I feel like you got to, bro. Game's tied, you just gotta you just gotta play defense, hope, hope to get a turnover steal, but if not, just no buckets. I mean that's that's all it is. Yeah. That was crazy. And from from a team as good as Kansas with with their coach being as um like I mean as big and with all the all the wins and sweet 16 appearances and like you know like the pedigree that he has. Like I was yeah, I was I was surprised to yeah, Bill Self, I was surprised to see them go out in the second round for sure. But I did have St. John's over them, so I was happy about it. So yeah, I think the last or I mean I guess it wasn't really I thought it was gonna be much closer, but this Iowa Florida game was really surprising to a lot of people. Iowa Iowa was playing the ball game. They were they were up by more than like between like five eight at 5'10 range most of the game, and then Florida was able to make uh make a pretty good run in like the last five minutes or so and Florida looked like they were gonna run away with it, but I think it was seven it was seventy-three or seventy-two-seventy and I was and um in Iowa just they had a three with 72 seconds or something like Florida had to go full court and couldn't get it off. But um Yeah, it was it was a crazy win for Iowa for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

It was, yeah. A little bit of a weaker win. Yeah, I was kinda a little surprised.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Vanderbilt, you know?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Yeah. And that's yeah, that's why I'm like, I was kinda surprised, and even in a regular season, Florida it really wasn't. They were they they had a few. I feel like seven Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

I feel like I don't think there could have been a ton of teams that could have been ones over Florida though. Like I think Florida did have did have the resume to be to be a one season. I mean Hugh Houston just I mean, like, look at their records. Like, I mean I guess strength is scheduled too. I mean I I guess that's very seven by seven for Florida.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Look at where Houston plays in the conference they play in.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Yeah, no, I know. I do Yeah. No, because Houston definitely had some had some good wins too, but I I mean I don't I don't think six, they got a better record.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Houston they lost by five to Arizona. I don't think they're the best they're the best team in the company.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

I mean they only play him once.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Well, I mean in a in a in a conference tournament.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

So yeah, so they played him a few times. I don't think they I don't think they beat Arizona one.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

They lost their losses are to Iowa State by three, to Arizona by seven, and to Kansas by 13.

unknown 19:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

So I mean, I don't I'm I'm I'm lost like what that's their only losses. I mean the fact by the by by I mean come on, bro. I'm just saying both of those, all three, all two of those three teams are still in the tournament.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

Wait, what's the what's their overall record? Or were there only losses?

SPEAKER_00 19:31

They only have four or twenty-eight and six.

unknown 19:33

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

They only had six losses.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Let's see who you so I mean I mean, just the fact that they didn't beat Arizona or Houston or um Iowa State, though. Like, if they would have beaten one of those teams one time, they probably would have had it.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

They only played them once.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

They only played Arizona twice, didn't they?

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Arizona State only played them one time. I'm looking at the schedule right now.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

They also lost to Texas Tech, too.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Texas Tech was a good team. Yeah, I'm yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

I know. I'm just saying, bro. Yeah, Texas Tech was a good team as well. You're right.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

That's what I'm saying by four points.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

And look at it, like that's what I'm saying. They did play Arizona twice, though.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Because they played them in a conference.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

No, no, I know.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

And then they played in a regular shit. They lost by seven points to Arizona. It was arguably the best team in the country. I don't understand. I'm lost. So how is that? How do you get punished for that? I don't understand that at all. I mean, bro, if if if they if they would have won one of those, like. And then Florida got destroyed by Vanderbilt, who's a 20, who's ranked 22.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

They also lost. Houston also lost to Tennessee earlier in the year.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

What is Tennessee doing? Where are they at? They still in the tournament, ain't they? No, I know. Yeah, they are. Vanderbilt, where are they at? They ain't made the goddamn tournament.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah, they didn't. They lost to. They're gone. They're at home. Yeah, they're not in it. No.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

I don't know, man. Take it up with the committee, duh.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Listen, all I'm telling you is you said there's I would say if they played in the regular season, Houston would be Florida. Houston is a better team than Florida is, in my opinion. Florida's law. Let's go look at Florida's losses here. Yeah. And compare them to Houston's losses and the teams that Florida played. Like, who will give me five good teams in the SEC? Five really good teams. Compared to five in the Big 12.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

I mean, what is it? The best teams in the SEC were Florida, Arkansas, Bama, Vanderbilt. Kentucky was pretty good for I mean, good emotional. Kentucky was garbage. But they weren't garbage.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Kentucky was not good.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

I watched the first game they played against San Francisco. Was Missouri good this year?

SPEAKER_00 21:48

They got some Missouri good? Not really. Florida lost Missouri.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

No, they were they lost to Auburn. I mean, Missouri. Auburn was Auburn good this year? No. Compare them just them too Yeah, the Auburn loss was bad for sure. I'm just saying, bro, compare them two losses right there. Yeah, they were the only the only the only good two good losses they had. They lost to Yukon by four, and they lost to Duke by one. But that was in December. Okay? Like that's it's a long season. December compared to now. Look at the teams that were good or the teams that were whatever in the top five, top 25, then versus now. You're gonna notice a lot of teams faded away. So that's what I'm saying. Florida, those are only two are good losses.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

I mean they don't play who's I mean, they put Alabama, they play Vanderbilters up and down, and you play in fucking Georgia, who was up and down. Georgia got destroyed in the goddamn. I think that's who Arkansas played in the first round.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

No, that's uh St. Louis played.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Oh, that's right. And St.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Louis killed him. Yeah. Yeah, they destroyed 100 on him. Nine season. Yeah, that was a crazy game.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

I just looking at the wins. Um and granted, I will say, I mean, they blew all Arkansas, blew all Alabama, but I just don't think those two, I don't think those teams compared to.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Did they play anybody in the like anybody good in the start of the season? Like any good non-conference teams? Yep, they played Arizona.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Only lost by six points as the first game. That was the first game of the season for them. And Arizona, mind you, coming in was ranked 13th. So Arizona wasn't even uh a top 10.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

And Florida was just coming off that night. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

You know what I'm saying? Like then they they beat, let's see who other, I mean, and they lost to Duke and Yukon in December.

unknown 23:47

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

So I mean, like, I mean they were a little, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

So they already had three losses by December.

unknown 23:53

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Okay. Yeah, no, that's what I mean. Yeah, there definitely is a little bit of a debate.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

They play good season, but you know, like I said, they were playing against, I just, you know, Alabama was up and down this year, Arkansas up and down this year. Uh Kentucky, extremely up and down this year.

unknown 24:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

You know what I mean? Like a lot of those teams are so I'm just like versus Arizona, they've been solid all year. Iowa State been solid all year. Kansas for the most part, they've been a little up and down for the most part, they've been solid all year.

unknown 24:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

So, you know what I mean? I'm just looking at them losses.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

They did beat the number one team without their debatably best players.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Right. So, I mean, like, I'm just like, that's a team that I can argue that probably should have been the number one seed. In my opinion. Obviously, these I mean, do you think Florida's better than Houston?

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Honestly, like, really, bro, the main team that I've really watched like a lot of games, it's really just Michigan. Like, that's fair. Like, if they like these Sweet 16 Elite Eight games, I'm definitely gonna be watching because I think it's Houston. I want to say it's Houston, um, Iowa. Oh, fuck, I can't remember, dude. But I definitely want to catch these Sweet 16 Elite Eight final. Like, I definitely want to catch all these matchups. So, I mean, I guess we're not gonna see Florida anymore. So Iowa, Nebraska. I can be interested in Iowa might be able to beat Nebraska. Well, so I guess the fact that Florida is out of the tournament, yeah. I'd I'd say that Houston probably probably would put up a dub against them. Um, they are really good.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

They are. And I mean everything meaning for me since you got over them in the fucking on that side of the bracket.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Well, so it's um so yeah, they play Illinois. I mean Illinois got a Illinois got a solid team too. Who does? Illinois, Houston. Yeah, they probably will, but they'll they definitely they definitely got a game put out for them.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

They blow them out.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

If they blow them out, that's you know that's oh you said if they yeah. Yeah, I mean the next game they play wouldn't even they play Iowa or Nebraska. So Houston's kind of that's what I'm saying. Houston's kinda got an easy, easy trip to the final four if they can if they can take care of fucking I mean two Big Ten teams in a row. They'll have to play Ill Illinois this round and then Ether Nebraska or Iowa. So that's honestly kind of good for them because they can game plan against how like just how these three teams did against each other in the regular season and how they how they all played against each other, and they can kind of put a little game plan up, right? Like just based on all that, and like just like so that's honest that's honestly an advantage for Houston that they have two Big Ten matchups, assuming they win this one. But yeah. Um, yeah, so and then the last one in the round of 32 that I wanted to talk about a little bit just since Alabama's playing Michigan in the next round. Um, yeah, I mean, I thought this game was gonna be way closer than it was. Texas Tech absolutely got spanked against fucking Alabama. Um but I think we were at three.

unknown 27:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

No, I'll I'll do a little countdown. But um, yeah, I was I was surprised. Yeah. Because I mean, I'm not even like and honestly, I'd I'd rather play Alabama instead of Texas Tech, to be honest. Um, like I think Texas Tech is a I mean, it's tough to I was gonna say they're a better defensive team than Alabama, but they let them 90, so it's kind of tough to say that, but I mean, I don't know. Alabama has been a little I mean, no, who did who did they lose to in their conference tournament? Because I know, I mean, just just the fact that they've been up and down for a decent amount of the year, like you were saying, gives me gives me pretty good hope as a Michigan fan that we should be able to find our offense no matter what. Just keep it flowing like we have been. Another 90. Quarter finals. Oh, oh yeah. I drew Ole Miss was going on a little bit of a run. But yeah, just yeah, they lost by one point. So I don't know. Alabama's they won their against Hofster by 20 and then Texas Tech by 25. So they're definitely coming in a little bit hot, but yeah, I don't know. I think I mean should should be should be a solid game. I don't think that I mean Michigan's definitely gonna just come in playing the same way we've played all season.

unknown 28:39

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Like hard defense. Um yeah, shooting, shooting that three ball. I mean, honestly, bro, like not low-key. We like we're kind of more of an inside team, not gonna lie. Like just with the with how much how much just how much yeah, how much size we have in the middle. Like, because I mean we're starting a 7-2 center, and then 6'11 power forward, and a 6'9, like 6'8, 6'9 small forward in uh Johnson. Johnson has um, dude, I I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he I mean he might stay one more year in college, but I wouldn't be surprised if he declares for the draft this year and like for sure next year. Um, because I mean he's a so he's a sophomore this year. So I wouldn't be surprised if he maybe plays one more year. Um, but I mean I think whenever he ends up going to the draft, I mean, I think he's gonna be one of those guys that goes, I mean, probably probably somewhere later in the first rounds. Like maybe like like probably like that, but I'd probably put him like a 15, 15 through like 25 or something, maybe like a little bit later. He's uh uh he's like a small forward, power forward, he's six nine. But he's I mean he plays the three for he starts at the small forward, but he's six nine. And he's you saw it. I mean he's averaging 13 and a half and seven, one on sixty-three percent. Um and yeah, so in that I mean because I think in both of the games he's done he's been solid. In the first game, he was eight for eight. Yeah, 15, 21 points, 15 points, 10, yeah. So go into sweet 16 a little bit. Start at the bottom of the bracket. Uh, but yeah, just go off into this mission game a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

I think uh win it rather easily, in my opinion. I don't know, Bama's played decent, but I just I think um I think y'all are a well better team than they are, and I just I don't see how many like I said, the up and down is I think it's gonna be one of them it's gonna be a down uh game for them. I mean I just I don't and I haven't really watched much of Alabama or Michigan this year, but just looking at the losses from Alabama and the games they've won. I just don't I don't I don't see this this one being close at all. Yeah I mean I can see y'all popping them by 20 uh easily.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Um I mean they haven't they haven't played a defense nearly as good as nearly as good as us all year. Right. They're not yeah it's so I mean if we can if we can it's one of those games where I mean it can it can balloon into a it can balloon into a bit of a lead early and it just just depends if Michigan can hold them off and just keep yeah just sustain that good defense and hope like just like just not make them go like just hold them off on going on a run. But yeah I mean I th I think I think it's probably one of those games as well where Michigan I mean we've been hot these first two games of the tournament offensively um I mean everybody's everybody's been getting their buckets like they have like like it has been all year um haven't really changed much so I think until I think until Michigan goes uh up against a team that's it's kind of like just like um like our like our Wisconsin loss or like our Duke law like so I mean I guess I'll start with the Wisconsin one just like a team that's just shooting the lights out you know what I mean like just not missing threes like if we come up against uh if we come up against like because like Arizona for for instance isn't a team that shoots a ton of threes like they're like like they're more of a they're more of a um getting inside getting layups dunks and so like that that kind of matches up pretty well with like with us just having having as much size in the middle as we do um and all like and I mean also just our perimeter defense being being pretty solid as well but kind of leaning off a little bit um but yeah so I think I mean I mean I'm excited for the Michigan Alabama game I think I mean it'll be our biggest test that we've had this tournament yet so far. But I think losing to Purdue in that Big Ten championship there's definitely a little bit of an eagerness to that we've but like I feel like they they should feel like they have to prove something like that they can beat a few big teams to be able to get into that final four into that championship game. Like they like we're gonna we're gonna have to beat a few good teams and so I feel like coming coming off not being able to win a big 10 championship there should be a little bit of hunger a little bit of extra drive um that those guys got just to be able to go out and whack those whack those like Alabama like Iowa State potentially next round or Tennessee but no so talking about that one let's get into the potential matchup that Michigan or Bama would have to play Iowa or Tennessee Iowa State or Tennessee um I mean Tennessee has looked pretty solid all tournament beat uh Miami Ohio by 22 and then upset Virginia by six so they yeah they played pretty solid but I mean Iowa State's been one of those teams that's in the Big 10 or in the Big 12 and they they beat Tennessee State 108 74 and Kentucky 8263. Kentucky was Kentucky was hanging around with them for a for a little bit in the first half and like a little bit of the second button took off at a point they just start playing that defense defense turns into offense and you just can't really do much about it. Because I mean with basketball for a lot of the time like it's like teams are going on runs and those runs determine like you know like they determine the game like if you can go if you can go on a 10-0 run like it it like it like I mean it it really matters how you can respond to that. Like whether that's what basketball is a game runs. Yeah um so I mean I think that'll be a pretty I think that'll be a solid game I mean because Tennessee I feel like is all like it's always a pretty good defensive team. So um yeah I mean honestly like I haven't haven't watched a ton of Iowa State this year. I know they've been a top like top 10 seed all year which is like I feel like Iowa State's never really like one of the better team like one of the higher teams in the like I feel like they're always like kind of in that in that mix a little bit like like they're you like they're usually ranked but I feel like they've never been all season like the best team. Like they've only lost three times I think four maybe probably four else they'd they'd be a one seed but yeah Iowa State's been another one of those teams so I think that'd be a game against Tennessee would be another good one another seven losses they're in the they're in the Big 12 though so they have to play they have to play Arizona they have to play Houston they have to play Kansas um all all those all those big schools so but I know Iowa State I want to because I think they hold they have also played Arizona twice because they lost on a buzzer beater um in the conference semis because Arizona won the Big 12 but it was in the conference semis that Iowa State lost by buzzer beater to um Arizona but I I don't think that Iowa State won I don't think they beat them the first time they played him either um I kind of I'm interested to see who Iowa State's lost to now yeah dude they got whacked by Arizona by 16 the first time they played him and then lost by two the next time but oh they lost to BYU okay they lost to Texas Tech as well dude Texas Tech has got some really good wins um they lost to TCU okay TCU was playing pretty good against Duke for for a little while and they lost to Cincinnati so dude Iowa State's definitely got some they got some L they lost to Cincinnati by nine wasn't even really close yeah I think but yeah they beat they be St. John's okay by one early in the year but I mean yeah I think that'll be that'll be another one of those another one of those games that honestly could come down like I I could definitely see Tennessee upsetting for sure um yeah yeah they playing they play good the whole fucking I mean and they're six seeds so I was not a bad team they have fucking eleven losses so I mean a lot of it's about matchups too I mean like yeah they may matchup Iowa State's probably favored by a little bit only only four and a half game so I mean they're not they're not favored by more than I mean what I thought they were gonna be I thought they'd be kind of towards a seven and eight range but no yeah that game I I got Iowa State went at yeah I mean I probab I probably do too yeah I think I think they'll probably runs out yeah it's Iowa State but then I will I'm not taking I'm taking you know I'm taking Michigan to beat Iowa State for sure for sure bro I need to see that Arizona Michigan game I need to see that for sure um because then we'll go up to the to the next two games above that um Texas versus Purdue um I mean we were talking about Texas a little bit in the in the first half an hour but yeah I mean they've been able to knock off a six and a three so I mean do you think they're you think their luck runs out against a two or you think they're just gonna you think they're just gonna keep rolling? I mean like Purdue is haven't lost in a little while they're coming off the coming off the Big Ten championship. Yeah they've they've won their last they've won their last 10 games or their last five games by all by 10 points. Or no they only beat Michigan by eight but nothing for new wins yeah I mean me too I think it'd be Texas would have to play a very solid game to I mean to like I mean feel I feel like to even stay close but I would say I was gonna say that against Gonzaga too like I I really didn't think Texas was going to upset them. Like after after they upset um BYU I was like yeah it's a little bit understandable because it's like only AJ Dubanza and like so if you can kind of game if you can kind of game plan around that know that yeah you can let him get his bucket but everybody else don't yeah so but then when I I was surprised when they won that Gonzaga game like a lot of people were saying that they had a good chance to as well so I was like I mean like I was I was a little bit skeptical but then they went out there and did it so it's uh Gonzaga also is like one of those teams where like they've had like a lot of times they've had good teams and like they find themselves out in a round of 32 or like not even make it to you know elite eight or final four when they came in as an overall number one seed.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Like Nazaga's kind of one of the teams that hasn't I remember like finish the job. Maybe they have a good season get there and you know don't get it done. I mean they had said the year they had Chet Homegrin and uh couldn't get it done. They had Jalen Suggs couldn't get it done. I mean like they've had a lot of good players come through the Zaga but for some odd reason like they get there and they just can't you know win a championship Drew Timmy is another Drew Timmy was there for a while. Yeah he's a dog I mean he was a a a dog every year and Zaga's always been relevant in basketball.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

I mean every year they always have like a at least a top ten team but they just haven't been able to find a way to get that get the job done um so that surprised me but it kind of didn't because I was like hacking Zaka going farther but awesome like you know I wouldn't wasn't surprised right I was just going strictly off of you know uh paper thought was gonna win but Zaga for me was like it wasn't really a shocker honestly when he lost the way um that Texas played uh before that so I mean they yeah Texas is it was they had a number that night and yeah but I mean I yeah you think their luck runs out against Purdue or you think they can or you think they get Purdue nice okay so then if Purdue wins they'll play the winner of an Arizona Arkansas game um which I was saying I was saying a bit earlier that I think I think that'll be a pretty solid game uh just the way Arkansas has been playing the last last month month and a half or like month and a half or two um yeah them being in a little bit of a weaker conference in the SEC and they were they were a little bit up and down this year Ultimately, I do think Arizona will will take care of them, being the bet like being overall best team in the country. I just I don't think they have a ton of flaws. I think Arkansas will probably keep it close for like the first first half, probably like maybe like the first five, ten or like first like five, ten minutes of the second, but then Arizona probably take care of business, if not, if not before that. Like you know what I mean? Like if Arizona can hang around with them for that long. Um or if Arkansas can hang around with it for that long. But also saying that Arizona only beat Utah State by 12. And Utah State's a nine, Arkansas's a four. So and it's not like it's not like Arizona didn't have some like didn't have close games that they pulled out this year too. Like, so I don't know. Um what do you think about that one?

SPEAKER_00 44:58

I think Arizona wins. Uh it's close or double digits. I think I think Acuff will have probably 29, 30, whatever, but I think they'll just shut everybody else down and let him get his points. Well not let him, but I mean they'll be okay with him getting the points. I don't think Arizona kind of sometimes what you need is like those close games like with Duke and uh Sienna, for example. And then we've seen the second round who played immensely better.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

A lot better than against a good TCU team. TCU was playing good, especially in like the first half of that game. They were they were keeping it close. Like, I mean, I thought Duke was gonna have another one uh another like I mean another uh like not like nail biter, but like just another game they were gonna have to pull out in the last five minutes. Um but they were able to take care of it a bit sooner um than they did against Siena, and just I mean locking on defense a bit sooner than they did, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

I mean or even Michigan uh for example. I mean, y'all won by uh 21 the first game, but you know, at halftime it was 50 to 46. You know, everybody kind of we got we all knew that you know Michigan was gonna win. Uh but you know Howard kept it close and they played good for the first half. And then obviously y'all outscored them by 17 in the second half, but I mean it's kind of it's like a wake up. Yeah, like sometimes when you ain't fresh, you know what I mean? Like these things are coming in like ready to go right off rip. And like, you know, they get out to early lead and say, alright, let's let's calm down, let's just play, you know what I'm saying? Like then next thing you know, you know, y'all back up or doing what y'all have been doing all year. So um I think Arizona, that was like kind of a just a wake-up, and they probably underestimated Utah, to be honest. They won't do that with Arkansas. They know what they're coming into with Arkansas. Um but I think I think Arizona wins that game as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Okay. So yeah, I mean that locks down that bracket. So Michigan, Iowa State, Arizona, Purdue. Should be some pretty solid games. Both one versus two matchups. Um, but then so let's go up to Houston, Illinois, and then they'll play the winner of Iowa and Nebraska. So I mean, we were we were talking about this for a second um in the in the last half an hour, just about how Houston, like I mean, I was saying how Houston kind of has a little bit of a little bit of an of an advantage. Um I mean, because I feel like they probably like I mean, well, because Houston, like Illinois is their like like I mean, Illinois is the best team out of Iowa, Nebraska, and them. So if they can get past Illinois, then they're they're definitely liking their chances to get to that final four. Um But I mean they gotta get past the best best of the three first. So what do you what do you think about that Illinois game? Um see they beat VCU by 20 in the second rounds, and they beat Penn by 35 in the first round. So I mean they've they've taken care of business for sure. Yeah, VCU.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

So it's Houston.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

Yeah, yeah, you right.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Houston is is won by 30 the first game, and then 30 the second the second game. So uh, like I say, you know, and you know me, I'm uh um big fan of Houston. What they got going on, I think Houston won that as well by double digits. I mean, I don't know if it'll be double digits, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

I think I mean just just the fact like I mean I mean, dude, Illinois' offense is Illinois' offense is solid though, man. Like it is.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

I don't think Houston defense is that good.

unknown 49:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

I mean, that's a that's a solid take. And that's kind of what uh led them to a championship game last year. Was private and so far. I mean, you see that Duke game and how physical and how tough they played Duke in that Final Four game. We won't talk about that. That's fine. You know, but they played good defense. That's one thing you can't say and they played good defense against Florida. Should have been a flag at the end of the game. But it's alright though. You know, it's alright. It is what it is. But like I said, it wouldn't have mattered either way. Um the Florida had a really good team last year.

unknown 50:00

They did.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

Duke did too, but Duke be doing that shit though. Duke be kind of like fucking against Vaga. I mean, they've had wing go on and on about the team.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Bro, when was the yeah, when was the last time? I think Duke was in the national chip. Uh I'm not sure. Because I honestly can't remember like when they actually made it to the finals. Um I mean, since yeah, since I've been since I've been watching I mean it it couldn't have been that long ago, but I'm interested to see it now. Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

The last one they won was in 2015. Okay, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

But yeah, I mean just the fact that because I don't I I mean I they haven't made it they haven't made it since like twenty like twenty twenty for sure since I've been since I've been watching like around.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

They haven't made it to a national championship game since uh 2015. Yeah, so it's been 11 years. And they've had a lot of players. I mean, you had Jason Tatum going through the building, you had fucking Zion, RJ Barrett, Cooper Flag, Con Canuple, uh, fucking Boozer. Now I mean like they've had a lot of players, I mean, they just can't, they haven't found a way to fit, get it out, get it done. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I just like certain teams, like, you just like, man, they had the best roster damn every year.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

And then also, I want to say, I mean, the year especially especially with Coach K being there up until 2023 or 2024. It's kind of surprising that he couldn't get them to the final.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

They won five championships in the 90s. Okay. Or no, wait. So they had two wins, but they had five appearances. Okay. So they lost to UNLV, beat Kansas, beat Michigan, lost to Arkansas, lost to Yukon. So from 90 to 99, they have five appearances and won two. So that's successful. I mean, that's a good tenure, that's a good, you know, or something you can look back on by, all right, well, you know, we made out of out of fucking, it was a 50% chance that we just gonna make a national championship. Yeah. And then a 25% chance that we were gonna fucking win it. You know what I mean? So that's those odds are are are pretty damn good. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:51

So uh Yeah, um so yeah, I mean just going back into this Houston Iowa game a little bit. No, yeah. We don't got a don't got a ton of time. I'm gonna have to speed through these a little bit. Um I probably got Houston as well. But I think it'll be a I think it'll be a high scoring game. I don't I mean Houston, yeah, Houston's defense will be good for sure, but I think Illinois offense will will show up too. Um but then Nebraska. Yeah, I probably think I'll take I'll take Nebraska too. I don't think Iowa, I mean, yeah, who did who did I play? Yeah, Clemson. So I mean that's a that's a decent win, but yeah. No, I I'm taking Nebraska too. Um so then we move up to these last ones. MSU UConn will play the winner of Duke and St. John's. So I know that you got UConn. Um, I mean, dude, like who is who's UConn's like nota like who's their notable wins this year? Like, because I know that they lost to St. John's two out of three times, and it wasn't close the times they lost. Um they're 31-5 overall. And they're so I think they're three or no. So they lost to St. John's, and they also lost to Creighton, didn't they? I think Creighton was Creighton was their other conference loss. Um yeah, I mean, Creighton 15 to 17, not great. Dude, I mean I could see Michigan State sneaking this one for sure. I think I have my I have that on my bracket.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Um, yeah, I do. Would it be St. John's by 32 points? Oh, they did?

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Yukon?

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Yeah. The second time they played. Well, about the first time. The first time they lost by nine.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

No, it was nine.

unknown 54:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

But then yeah, the second it was 20. Dude, that's that's crazy that they lost by 50 points. They lost by 20 in the championship. Dude, that's that's so weird. There's a 50-point swing, bro. Like, how the f like, dude, that's so weird. I don't understand that. I mean, that's I I mean, that's honestly that just shows you a team that's inform, like a team that has a lot of momentum, is playing against a team that I mean that.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

That UConn beat their more notable wins is Florida and Kansas. Okay. And they beat BYU, and he lost to Arizona by four. And they beat Illinois by 13. So they have some good wins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

I mean, I don't think, honestly, I feel like Michigan State really doesn't have, I mean, they have some big wins, but they didn't they didn't beat us either time. Um they on they probably they probably beat like Purdue and Illinois a few times, I bet. Um But they I mean Michigan State has some has some losses as well. Um fuck. I can't I can't think off the top of my head who they've all lost to. I know they lost to UCLA in the conference tournament. That was a bad one. I mean, not a bad one, I guess, since UCLA beat the tournament, but they beat Purdue.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

That's a good win for them. Michigan State. Yeah. Um lost to Nebraska by two. Uh see here. Lost to Duke by only six. That was not a bad loss. I do remember they had a good game against that. They beat Arkansas, beat Kentucky, beat North Carolina. Okay. So yeah, I mean they got the most notable wins. So that's why UConn's got more notable wins, in my opinion. Yeah, out of the two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

No, I mean me too. I think that I think that, I mean, I think that Yukon will probably win that game. Um, but Michigan State, Michigan State's got a good chance too. Oh yeah. As well. Um, I mean, I think odds wise, it's pretty close. Yukon is favored um by one and a half.

unknown 57:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

So we'll see how that one goes. Um that one is on the that one's on the 27th. So that one's on Saturday. Saturday. I'll be able to be able to watch that one. 9 45. Is there one of the later games? Um, but then Duke and St. John's. Um, I have St. John's beating beating them in mind. Is it?

SPEAKER_00 57:37

Yep, 945 on Friday.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Oh, oh, it's Thursday and Friday, yeah. And then Elite Ages on Saturday and Saturday. Saturday, I'm gonna be able to do it. Uh, that's the Elite Age. Yeah, that's what I'm like, eh. You sure? Um, but so then Duke St. John's. What do you think about that one? St. John's like 22 and 1 in their last 23 games or something. They've only lost once. I think probably probably to UConn in their last like like in the last in the last two and a half months, though. They've only lost once. I think Duke. They're on a pretty good run right now. Um I mean, yeah, you see you think.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

I think it'll be close. I think Duke will win. I think it'll be a game where Boozer, that's a really good game.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

He hasn't had a good game anymore. That's that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

A little while, yeah. Um, I can definitely see uh you know, them not losing to a Leo from fucking Dylan Darling. I think Duke will win that probably by about five to eight point differential. Um I think it'll be close in the first half and then uh slowly but surely do just fouls and just how the nature of basketball is. I think Duke will go from you know a two or three point lead to eight-nine. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, them coming down, having to shoot quickly and whatever, or trying to find, you know what I mean. Like, I just the game, or it may even be like, you know, double digits, but just more where like, you know, the game was a lot closer than what the score indicated. One of those type of ordeals where it's like, you know, they're missing shots, so they had to come back down and foul Duke. So Duke hit the free free throws, and they came back down, shot another shot, and they missed, and then you know, I mean, just a lot of garbage time points. I mean, I think if that's the case, if that's uh if they win by double ditch, I think that will be, or you know, Duke might finally fucking just come out and play how you know the number one team that they're supposed to. Right, yeah, because they're they're the number one overalls in Arizona.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Yeah, no, no, no, no, Arizona is, Arizona is. Pretty sure. I mean, I probably got Duke as well, but St. John's on the bracket, though, so I'm hoping for an upset. But so I mean, yeah, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You got all the games to be locked into all weekends. Um and yeah, come Tuesday, have some upsets, gonna have some right, gonna have some hot takes to talk about. Come Tuesday, but DBD out for the moment.