Episode: 12 Season: 1 Elite 8 Recap, Final Four Predictions, NBA, MLB w/ Chris Maier

This week we are joined again by Chris Maier. We are bringing a longer episode this week at an hour and a half, and boy was there a lot to cover. The Final Four is here and there was so much madness to be had. With MLB kicking off and the NBA coming into the playoffs soon we are tapped in. LFG

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

More chips in that box? Uh yeah. You want me? Uh for you, motherfucker. Isn't that against the Google policy of podcasts eating the novel on the camera?

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Alright, episode 12. Back with another cut. BBD Sports. Special guest Chris tonight.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

Good to see you guys again. Thank you very much for having me back. Yes, sir. Boys. Lovely. Chris. Give me some pomp. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Alright, alright. Yeah, so I mean, Sweet 16 Elite Eight. Um, MLB opening day. Oh, only like a week and a half, two left of NBA. So yeah, we're getting down to the crunch of some things. Also getting into the new season.

SPEAKER_05 0:55

But um second best sports month of the year behind October. There's so much going on. Yeah, for no, for sure. New beginnings.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Exactly. Yeah. No, and I mean I'm I'm super excited for these for these final four games. Michigan making the final four second times 2016. Ops to that. Uh yes, sir. No, I mean I think this is a good chance for us to good chance for us to win it all. I'm pretty sure we only have one basketball natty, and that was like, I think it was 1980 or 1990 something. Uh 89 when you guys beat Seton Hall, I think. Okay. That was the Glenn Rice years.

SPEAKER_06 1:35

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Um, so yeah, I mean, I'm excited, but um, yeah, I mean, we can get into covering all this Sweet 16 in Elite Eight, um, and then get into whatever, whatever, wherever the wind blows. 89. It was 89.

SPEAKER_04 1:50

And over time against Seton Hall.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Yes, sir.

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Almost like I was dead all.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

I'm dead. But um, yeah, I mean, so we can start off Was that Glenn Rice that hit the shot just for shits and grins?

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Was it was it a buzzer beater?

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Right. Did you say what the score was? 80 to 79, so it might have been a buzzer beater.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean, so I mean Michigan, hopefully we can get back to that, hopefully we can get back to that championship game. And whether it's Yukon or Illinois, um, yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm just hoping I'm just hoping for solid games, man. Like, of course I want I want Michigan to go all the way. Um, and would be a little bit heartbroken if I saw us get this far and didn't. But um there's only one team that can win it in the end. And um, yeah, so I mean, we can start off with with the the the start of this Sweet 16 a little bit. Purdue, Purdue and Texas. Um that was that was a pretty close game. Texas, I mean, yeah, had to play in to get in. Um, had a few pretty good upsets, but they were hanging in there with Purdue most of this game as well. Um, but Purdue ended up winning it, winning it by two, 79-77. I don't know. Did you I don't know if you guys watched any, watched any of that one or you saw that? None of that one.

SPEAKER_05 3:19

I watched Texas' run up to that, and I, you know, not that I uh followed college ball that much this year, but it's just like some of those teams they get a lower seed like that, or it's a play-in, you know, the way they have the newer kind of format with the the 65th team on the Tuesday before it starts. And it's just like sometimes there's a team that's clearly way better than what they got, you know, ranked at and had to play in. Texas was clearly one of those teams. It was like like, yeah, they were upsets in the number of things, but if you look at the way they they played those three, four games, you know, the lead in, and then you know, until they they finally got bounced, it's like they definitely played tougher than uh you know, like a traditional kind of you know, play-in or even a 16-seam team, you know, like uh a high point. Yeah. But I mean, that's just you know, some teams go in and you just know that they're better than what they got slotted into bracket-wise. Yeah. I think that that's kind of what what that was for the wars. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Well so I mean, you got you got anything you want to say? I mean, you can you want to lead into the Purdue game, the Purdue Arizona game a little bit?

SPEAKER_04 4:42

Uh yeah.

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Um a little bit on Texas, they kinda kind of surprised the one was Gonzaga, but Yeah, yeah, that's no, it was definitely surprising for me.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

They have a history of not because I don't think I don't I not since I've been watching they haven't won a championship. But the Zaga's had some good teams through and just you know, so I was surprised with that, but I was one of the the upsets that I wasn't I was the least surprised about, right in my opinion, just because you know the Zaga doesn't really play a lot of tough opponents, and they usually win their conference or ever just because I mean they are the best team there every year. I mean they just recruiting, whatever. They're always they're always good, but they never are able to settle the deal. And then the Purdue game, I mean I could have went either way, or by sorry, BYU. I mean, I kind of expect it. All that Texas BYU game.

SPEAKER_05 5:47

Yeah, I mean I BYU has one player. Yeah, I mean, that was the only one. That was the 6-11 C, right? Yeah, that was the BYC.

SPEAKER_04 5:55

Texas beat them by like 15, though, didn't they? And they barely squeaked by NC State.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

So I just I mean they but then they beat BYU by like 15, didn't they?

SPEAKER_04 6:02

No, only by eight.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Oh, okay, but yeah. Okay. I think they were up.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

Maybe 15 or so at the time.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

A lot of them.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

But I think it got real bad if they were in most of the cover. Because eight, I mean, DeBanso put up 35, so I mean he was he was doing everything he could.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

It wasn't by multiple digits for a good portion of that game. But that's literally all BY you had, and then so uh Purdue, um I wouldn't I was I thought they played better than than than uh Purdue in that game. I think Purdue came on top, but um Texas played really well in that game. And I feel like sometimes when you have that, you know, that uh it's matchups and just uh confidence coming in, just you know, um believing, right? Just believing that I mean you already beat the number three team that was in a in the fucking tournament or whatever. And in Purdue, I mean they they they played okay. I mean they they had Queens right off ripper. I mean, you know, that's a a two and a six team. Not expecting much in Miami. Miami's been, you know, uh underwhelming all year, right? So they really didn't have um, they kind of had a relative favorable uh road to get there. So um that's why I kind of think with that, uh Texas they they surprised me because I was I didn't have them beat Miami. Actually, at Miami winning that. But um, yeah, I think they played really good. I think they they should have won the game. I mean they didn't, but leading into Purdue. I mean, I don't I don't I don't think either of them would have beat Arizona though.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

No, I mean that's that's who Purdue ended up playing.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

That's about to lead somewhere. I expected that. I expected a little bit more, honestly, other than 15. Maybe Arizona started off a little bit slow. Uh but that didn't surprise. I mean, yeah, it didn't it didn't matter. To me, it didn't matter who really came out um on that side, to be honest with you. I mean, because they're a number two, right? Like Purdue's number fucking so like they're who was the number one in that in that side? Arizona. Oh, okay, so yeah, okay, yeah. So I mean, yeah, so I mean and and you know, they went against their own. Arizona was always coming out of that. Yeah. Um and that leads me also into uh just so because you mean it's I guess uh Purdue played good. They, I mean they surprised me a little bit because how close the game was for a little bit of that time.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Against Arizona?

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Yeah. But I kinda I knew at some gonna be Arizona's gonna do Arizona. Yeah, they were gonna pull away at some point. Yeah, they got a tough matchup coming with Michigan. That's gonna be uh like you said, like a damn a preview preview to the championship game. Honestly, I mean it's like that most cases that that would be the champion. You got number one and number two number ones.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

He just has potential to be better than the championship game.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

So um but go go over into um Big Ten matchup, Iowa beating Nebraska. It was a a big upset, a pretty big upset as well. So I mean Iowa's coming off that Florida that Florida win, which um busted a lot of brackets for sure. Not a lot of people were expecting that one. But Nebraska was also up on Iowa like majority of the game. It was literally like just the last five minutes. The Nebraska kind of fell apart a little bit in Iowa. Um was just, I mean, just went on a run at the end of the game, really ended up winning by six. Um, were either you guys able to watch any of that at all?

SPEAKER_05 9:42

I didn't see that one. That was one of the ones that I followed up in the corner of the screen personally, but like I'd say props to Nebraska though, because like that's a team that like really from the beginning of the year. Like, you know, I remember being out at my uncle's for a minute, and he was talking about when Nebraska knocked off Sparty, and I'm like, Yeah, like undefeated at that point. Starting time, you know, started off 20 and oh, yeah. For a one-time, you know, football powerhouse, it's definitely kind of slid backward. You know, good for them for putting their basketball program on the map for a change. Because especially, you know, in the game against Iowa. I mean, I was actually, you know, I I I was traditionally had a little bit better of a basketball, you know, program, you know, in and with catching the occasional year when maybe they'd make a sweet 16 or I think they've made the Elite Eight before. But uh But yeah, you know, for them to uh for them to come on and end up you know knocking off Nebraska good you know good for their fan base is probably you know probably Iowa athletics hasn't had much this year lately, so you know I don't know, baseball or some shit. I don't know. Maybe they're good in baseball. Wrestling, wrestling, both those guys are good at wrestling. Traditionally, those were some wrestling powerhouses. I didn't really catch one more, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:08

No, I think that was on that Thursday night.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Yeah, so I went a I didn't really catch uh a lot of that one because that was at work. Um but honestly, it was a little upset, but it didn't really surprise me. Um Nebraska. A lot of people surprised Nebraska made it to where they were. Right and then Iowa beat the number one uh number one seed in their their region. So um they just flying high, playing hot, you know what I mean? And also it's a familiar foe. You know, above Big Ten, so you know it's always up they they each played each other twice this year, once we've seen each other twice. So it's it's a toss-up, really.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Iowa won when they played in Iowa, Nebraska won when they played in Nebraska, so it was just a toss-up, which is that game was yeah, so like when an NFL team runs into each other in the playoffs, you already, especially from the same confer division, you already done played each other twice, you know.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

And if one of those teams 2-0, they're probably not gonna go three-0.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

So it's hard to beat a team three times in a row. Three times in one year.

SPEAKER_05 12:20

And you know, football is different, college basketball, but college basketball still has that like any given game, that's why you play it, you know. Especially Martin Mattness. You could get cold, and that team could go out and go on a 17-1 run or 17-2 run, and that's it. You're done. You're done. You just can't come back from it. That was the backbreaker when it was within three. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Um, but I mean, so going to I who did they Iowa played um Illinois next round. So I guess we here. So before we go into that Iowa Illinois game, um you're talking about the Illinois Houston, yeah. That surprised me. No, so yeah, I was I mean, I think if we go back and I think if we go back and listen to last episode, I mean both of us were super high super high on Houston, I'm pretty sure. I was too.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

That's who I would have filled out if I did have a bracket. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

That surprised me.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

Um, but yeah, so I mean, if you surprise the whole damn tournament, really Illinois?

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Maybe yeah, it being Houston. I don't know. I just I don't know. I was surprised just all the defenses didn't show up for Houston. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I watched, you know, pretty much that whole second half. The whole second half.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Let me know what you think.

SPEAKER_04 13:46

Um that game after I got over, and just it was just crazy. I mean, just shot Illinois was hitting every time down, and Houston not being, I'm just like, it's just not getting able to answer. Right, and I'm like, damn, they kind of they dominated that game uh from the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Yeah, I mean, because I think that was one of the other no, I think that was a Friday night game. It was either Thursday or Friday night, but I remember coming into um coming into break and porter with like 10 minutes left in the second half, and Houston only had 25 points. So I was like, what is like what is going on? Like it was it was it was still relatively close. Like I think it was well, I think Illinois are by double digits. But I mean, I mean it was just a defensive game, but just the fact that Illinois only had or or Houston only had 25 points through 30 minutes of basketball is crazy to me. Like that's like I mean, just how good Houston's been all year offensively and defensively, like that was definitely their worst, probably their worst offensive game they played all season. Um but so yeah, I mean I was surprised about that for sure. And um, and they also they handled Iowa in the um in the game after that. I I don't I didn't watch any of the Iowa-Illinois game. Um I feel like Iowa kept it close for they were up by four at halftime.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

Oh, that's 32 to 28. Okay. Um and then Illinois came out kind of gunning, similar to what they did to uh Houston. Hitting shots. I mean, playing this people getting open cuts. It's just I mean, from what I've seen of it, like they just I'm like, man, like this team is when you hot, you hot, and they just you know uh are able to hit their shots, and that's what the fuck they did uh against Iowa, but also, you know, um Iowa, you know, at some point when you're uh got lower of a seed, and I feel like your luck kind of runs out after a while. I mean, and they went up against Nebraska, who had been a little up and down, and then the same with Florida, even you know, Florida coming into the tournament didn't look the best and the SA got blown up. They got blown up right in their tournament. Yeah. Um and they really didn't look that good kind of all year to me. I was like, we we got talked about it, I was like really surprised they're a number one seed, in my opinion. I think all the number other number one seeds, you know, I thought Houston had a better year than they did. I thought a couple teams, you can argue Iowa State. I just, you know, especially in the conference that they play in, the Big 12 is one of the best conferences other than Big Ten and uh college basketball. So they kind of always beat up on each other. So those losses, when they got seven, eight losses, three, four of them are to really the top three, four, or five teams in the country, right? And someone has to win that game. So um, in my opinion, I just Florida was a little surprising, especially how they went out in the in the uh SEC tournament, that they were number one seed. They're only the only other one, every other one's I was you know, Duke, Michigan, Arizona, I have no problem with all of that. They're the best three teams in the country. Yeah. So um, but yeah, anyways, uh so I just think their luck kind of ran out um in that game there in Illinois, you know, that high that they had, you know, the way they beat Houston, even though it was 65 to 55, but I think it's one of those cases where you know you look at it so it's only a 10-point game, but if you watch the game like how we watched it, the game was never really close. You know what I'm saying? Like even that second like the game was you never really felt like Houston could come back. Right? Because every time they may they maybe cut it down a 9, 10, 8, whatever, it was coming out in a three. Right. You know what I mean? Like it just like it just felt like every and so it's one of those cases where you know um on paper it didn't look, you see like, oh shit, on 10 points, whatever. But if you watch the SI test, you watch a game like Houston, just blew your mind how they just weren't prepared, they weren't ready. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that's that was tough. I had them going far, you know. I was it was I was doing my bracket, I was like hesitant. Right. That's when I was hesitant between them and UConn when I because I had them matching up, obviously, and I was like, uh I'm gonna lead towards UConn, but um it was tough when uh I was Houston was you know something like I just thought the way they lost last year against Florida Um and how they beat Duke, uh, you know, I'm like they're hungry. I mean they're they're a good team this year, they can go back and maybe win it all, but that was not the case. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

No, I mean it's gonna be Illinois Yukon game. It's gonna be it's gonna be a good one for sure. Illinois got their hand. Um Illinois's got their game set out for them for sure. Um one of the I mean I wouldn't even say it's one of the harder, like I would say that you like I mean you were saying Houston and Yukon, like you had them playing against each other. Like I mean, Illinois, I I mean they're favorites against Yukon, so that'll be yeah. I think all I think it's like two and a half, two and a half points.

SPEAKER_05 19:04

I mean the pressure is on UConn, though. Favorites are now the pressure's on UConn. Yeah, I would I would say. You've got you know, umpteen success in the best coach probably in college ball right now. And uh so I think the pressure's definitely on you. Illinois, you know, like yeah, we want to keep going. Let's keep the dream alive, but nobody expected us to get a final four, let alone the lead eight. I mean, has I mean has Illinois ever made a final?

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Has Illinois ever made a Final Four?

SPEAKER_05 19:32

I think they made one in 2000-ish.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:35

Not 2000, because that was the Sparty year.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Only one though.

SPEAKER_05 19:39

But as far as I know, only one that I remember in my lifetime. There might have been something back in in the Chuck Taylor high top days, and that's you know, I mean. But I don't uh I don't necessarily remember. They they remind me there's a there was a Wisconsin team years ago. Um that uh years ago, I mean, around that same time as Illinois. And they they were kind of like they were they were that Illinois team now reminds me a lot of that team that Wisconsin ended up making the Final Four. Gosh, it was around the it was around 2000. Um remember if they meant the championship or if they got knocked out? I think they might have went to the championship. Okay.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_05 20:23

I'll have to look at that up here.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

No, so they got a little bit of I mean, they got a little bit of um history in Final Four, though.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

So I mean that's that's a good thing for them. But you know, QCon's definitely got a little bit more experience over the last ten, twenty years.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't I mean, honestly, I I mean I I yeah, I'm not really I guess entirely. Um I am a little surprised maybe because it's uh the team that I picked, but um I wouldn't even say that you know they I mean they they are kind of favored just because of their history, but um when you look at it's the same about saying uh about you know Iowa State and uh teams in that conference, uh Texas Tech, you know, Arizona. Big Ten is you know, right, and you are I mean, and you know, some people you know would say or argue that the best conference is Big Ten. No, I mean I would no I mean I I would say it's Big 12, probably. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, but you know, Big Ten is right there with them. It is. I mean, I mean you look at the the thing with Big Twelve is they're top heavy, right? So after the four or five teams, after that it's kind of but I think Big Ten is a little more spread out, in my opinion. Yeah. Um I think the best Big Twelve team, they can hang with a lot, but I mean you got other you got Michigan and Michigan State are the clear to cut um best in that conference. In Big Ten.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

I mean overall they're the big I don't know if I'd say MSU was clear cut over Purdue. Purdue was close.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

Well, I mean, but they then they beat Purdue this year. They did, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's a gauntlet, right? So you know, Illinois. Illinois wasn't a bad team at all this year. They're a good team. Yeah. Solid. So there's a reason why they're the third uh ranked. So that's what I mean. I mean, that's it's kind of hard. Yukon, other than St. John's and St. Mary's. Or no, not St. John's. Um, yeah. St. John's. I don't even know who else really is, you know, that good in that conference. So on a 90-like basis, when you in a conference play as like as far as Yukon, you're not really playing the level of competition that Illinois would be playing.

SPEAKER_05 22:43

Was that still Big East? I'm trying to remember. Yeah, so you still got to play Syracuse twice a year. They're not the program they used to be.

SPEAKER_04 22:53

Syracuse A twice a year.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Okay, so then they moved from the old Big East. And Boston College as well used to be a basketball school. Again, so they left. Like, so they're kind of left as like those older Yukon teams used to make it through a gauntlet. Right. These ones, and I'm not, I'm not saying they don't deserve to be there, but when the competition's a little bit easier, that kind of like, you know, maybe or maybe this team, like Illinois, oh, their momentum, maybe I can see why they're favored by it. See, that's what and that's that's kind of. I personally don't. I just because again, no, the magic's gotta run out somewhere. And if I put like the same money I put on Ohio State twice because of a friend of mine this past winter in football, I'd put it on Yukon.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

But what is going on we Ohio State is not even on the slate, okay? So let's like, yeah, it's not even on paper.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

I thought they were always on that.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Yeah, let's keep it that way. Because we're the best. But listen, that's beyond the point. But no, that kind of leads to what I was saying as far as like um, you know, that's also that's you know what makes, I guess, uh the UConn championships recently, whatever, um more impressive because they didn't really play anybody in a regular season other than you know. St. John's has always kind of really been relevant since, especially since they got Rick Patino. Yep, yep. Um they've been they've been a decent team. There's been a couple other that I know that have snuck through that I just can't think of.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

But that's why my but that goes back to when I was a kid, I remember St. John's being in the tournament here or there.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

And so that's why I'm just like, you know, they are UConn should obviously should win, but the way Illinois's playing, the way college basketball is, the way, I mean, and who Illinois has played in their season this year, who they play on a nightly basis, um they're built for it as far as that aspect. You know what I mean? They they've played against Michigan, they played against Michigan State against Purdue, you know, those, you know, the better teams. And, you know, that kind of also, I mean, like Michigan State played uh didn't play good the first half, but second half came out and and and balled against Yukon. Against Yukon. You know what I mean? And that and, you know, watching, I've watched that pretty much that whole game. Um, and they and it was quite surprising. I mean, but also it wasn't because they're just missing their shots. It was turnovers and Michigan State was just missing shots. Yukon was uh, and a lot of people on Yukon weren't getting open because I mean they do that motion shit at offense, you know, and that's you know, something we had talked about at work when I was we was watching him like this is why I like Yukon or Dan Hurley, just because you I mean it's a constant motion on that offense. Somebody's always cutting, someone's always moving, like that's tough to defend for 40 minutes. You know what I mean? Like someone always moving. Yeah, you're just you're just running around over the street. Yeah, you're getting screens, you're getting hit. You know, that's tough to do. And so, you know, when you watch their offense or you watch the way they they play, you mean like I don't know, for me that's fascinating. But uh, you know, I knew um Tom Isle just the way Michigan State is. I'm like, they're not gonna, you know, they're gonna cut it within something, right? I mean, they're gonna make game of it. I did I think it was gonna come down to damn near the last possession, a couple possessions, and no, I didn't. Yeah. Uh but um Michigan State also had a good team. I mean, they had one of you know the better, best fucking point guards in college basketball. I mean, led the NCA in assists and fears. You mean so you know one thing that's that's you know, he's gonna feel like team record and assists, if I'm not mistaken, I think so. He's a problem, I mean he's a dog. So, you know, you knew it was gonna it was gonna be and I was like, I I kind of you know, in my head, I'm like, Michigan State might beat you. You know what I mean? Like before the game I started, my it might be a good thing. That was tough for me. Yeah, no, no, it was more than that was tough for me when I was taking in my bracket to pick UConn, but you know, my heart is like, yeah, go Yukon. But uh no, yeah, I mean, what do you think? Depended on coming through. Yeah, yeah. What what about y'all? What are y'all thoughts on um the MSU and Yukon game?

SPEAKER_05 27:05

Yeah, I mean if it's highlights wherever y'all caught it. I don't, yeah, I think uh it was knocked out by the most roads. But um, I uh I I think everybody and I lean more toward Michigan State than the other game. But I mean I wouldn't win it that game with the expectation. That's no knock on the team. I mean the only the only loss that I would think I was really surprised about was the Rashid early on. You know what I'm saying? So um I would uh I I wasn't surprised by UConn winning. Um I figure like you said, you I mean any Tom is a team's gonna make a game of it, and that's what they did, and and and you know that group of guys played too hard all season long. They weren't gonna go out like that. You know, but at the end of the day, the better team uh the better team won. Yeah, that's that's you know pretty much what I can assert from that.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Okay. Yeah, I mean I I didn't see a ton of the second half of that game because I think I was I'm pretty sure I was working, but I saw that Yukon was up like 25 to 6 at the like first like 10 minutes of the game or something. So Michigan State was always trying to kind of fight back from behind. And I mean, yeah, it's it's uh it's always tough when you're like when they when you've never had the lead in the game and you're trying to come back from 20 plus. Um so yeah, I mean I was I was I was kind of expecting UConn to win that game as well. Um but Mich I mean MSU made it closer than I thought they did for sure. Um but where I think we skipped yeah, we skipped out a few, but we can most were driving at Duke and St.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

John's. Yeah, yeah. That was the game before that was on Friday. So we covered we talked about the two Thursday games, and then we just talked about the UConn. That was on Friday, so that was a good game.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yeah, I mean St. St. John's St. John's was legit for sure. I mean I I think uh yeah, I take St. John's to win that game in my bracket. It was and I mean I was I was happy because it looked like it had pretty good potential.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

Yeah, uh yeah, that was that game up until about yeah, seven, I don't even know what minute it was. But I don't remember the time out. Um Caleb Foster out. Um run. And he came on and scored seven, eight points on the only thing within like three or four. Okay or something like that. It was something along those lines, and then everybody from Doo kind of built on that and then it was going back and forth until the late part of the game, but um I kind of knew once do cut it, you know, within uh one, two or something like that I'm like, damn, they're gonna fuck around and win. Yeah. Well, you mean St. John's you know, ball day asshole. They played good. Yeah. Three or three-fourths of that damn game. You know what I'm saying? Up until you know the last four or five minutes. But you know, they played really good, especially against the number one seed. Yeah team. Not the most, you know, talented dude team we've seen in the past, but still a formidable dude team, still a good dude team.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

No, I mean that I mean they still they still had a great year for sure. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

I mean, they were number one seed coming in, right? I mean, they weren't overall number one. Yeah, yeah, they were.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

They got a lot of exposure too over the course of the season. Like you knew who that team was, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Yeah, for sure. Having the just having Caden Boozer on there for sure. I mean, he's he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna go. Yeah, yeah. Uh or no, we'll see about I was gonna say about another one. We'll see what he does. I was gonna say, I mean, play too good this year. Yeah, I mean he didn't, bro. I mean he's seven points at Captain. He wasn't two three. He wasn't projected anywhere near as high as Cam. They also don't play the same position. Oh sure. Um, because I want to say Caden's like four inches shorter than Cam. I think Cam's like six eight. Caden's like six four, six five. So different positions, but he I mean he but he was definitely getting getting into his own a little bit in the ACC tournament. I remember Caden was having a few good games that Cam wasn't playing as good. Um but I mean I don't I mean unless unless Caden just wants to enter the draft this year just because his brother's going, like I feel like that would be the only reason that he would go this year, or else he should he I mean he'll probably play he'll probably play all four years ahead of Duke would be the smart thing, I'd think. But maybe he won't all three. Maybe he won't also just because he's Carlos Boozer's son. Um but I mean I don't know, but I think I think Cam this year will probably go top top three. Like he I mean, yeah, I I think like just his overall, his overall game, he he he looks legit.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

I mean he knows I'm not sold as far as uh NBA talent.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Okay. I mean I I think I think I mean I I I think I think that he'll be pretty solid. I mean I think he's got he's got size, he's got IQ, like we've like we've seen, like we've seen like kind of my worrisome.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

Nowadays, I mean playing six, if he's 6'8, uh you going up against all four in some kind of shooting guard and quickness. I don't know if he'd be uh staying in front of some of those players. I don't know. I I could be wrong. I just a good good player this year, really good. I just like I said, and kind of like we talked about, he was this is like a not one of the best Duke teams overall. You look at it, was you know, so he kind of looked a lot and oftentimes when you're on a team or a year like that, you look a lot better than you know what I'm saying, like if you were on a loaded team. We've seen Duke with loaded teams. Yeah. I mean, somebody like Zion, for example, is no question. Right off road, you knew like this is gonna translate, as long as you stay healthy, this is gonna translate to the NBA. Certain players. Right, it's I mean Jason Tatum, um just certain players that you know, but then you get some read like you know, uh that Duke's had over years, uh um July Okafur. I thought he was gonna translate to the NBA, but he didn't. But anyways, um all point is I just I don't know. We'll see. Um as far as I wouldn't be surprised because I mean he's got he's got Hall of Famer, uh maybe not I guess Clawsaw Hall of Famer. But a really good NBA player in his dad, and because it was a fucking dog for years, especially in Utah.

SPEAKER_05 34:08

He was a fucking monster. He was always a part of winning teams. Yep. He was always a part of winning teams. Kind of like Kmart.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they just couldn't get over, they couldn't get past, you know, Lakers and San Antonio and the Suns and shit like that. But Utah was definitely more than formal with you know him and Darren Williams and uh Jerry Sloan leading them. And but yeah, um, yeah, right. That's what we went to Chicago, Derrick Rose. Yeah, I hear Derrick Rose MVP or one MVP, or Boothers was a part of that. But no, yeah, um uh but Duke, you know, they they kind of they uh they do what Duke does, um which kind of eventually at some point, no matter who they got on their team, is it seems like they haven't won a championship, I think, since 2015. So it's been 11 years. And they've had uh it was a list I seen on Facebook that I wanted to send to you, but I forgot to do it, but it just it named it's like at least 2022 players. And it's just like every player on that list, we know, right? And a couple, three, four, or five of them were like superstar, all-stars, whatever at that time of the band. It's like these were all the players on this team that did not win a championship. And a lot of them, like, you know, what days back to me is like the Zion one when they had RJ Barrett, you know, they had Cameron. You mean like that that that team was one of the you know one of the best goddamn dude teams. Even when they had Jason Tatum, they had a really good dude team. Yeah, like this, but they just some reason they just do, I just they even when they had Coach K. You know what I mean? Like this, they just fucking uh especially just later on years, or obviously we know he his his his uh resume and how great he is, no slight towards him, but you know, it just seems like I don't know, dude, you know, since I've really been watching it the last 10, 15 years, I'd say they've find a way to kind of just choke away. Or even last year, you know, you had Kanuppo and fucking Cooper Flag. That's two, we look at we watching them now in NBA. You know what I mean? Those are two phenomenal fucking blades. We we know are gonna be NBA players, all-stars, superstars for the next 10, 15 years. Both of them. Right. You know what I mean? And so I don't know, dude, like that Yukon me blowing that was just like, of course, dude. I mean, like, even though it's a crazy ass shot, whatever, you know what I'm saying, but it's like that's just Duke being Duke. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know. Like, I don't know what y'all think about that whole I mean, that game, that whole Duke, just you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

The Duke Yukon game?

SPEAKER_04 36:51

Well, yeah, just word just Duke and whole. In general.

SPEAKER_05 36:57

Well, I I lived in Kentucky for a couple years in the mid-90s, not too long after the I hate Chris Slater thing. Because the last minute shot in the uh in the 92 finals. But um, you know, so I I I and I always kind of had a soft spot for Kentucky. So I've never really like you respect dude, you know, like I don't there's there's teams like you know, like I I hate on Ohio State sometimes, but like I usually love the players coming out, you know. Um I mean there, you know, there's if you you respect people that put out good players, Alabama, you know. Yeah, you hate them. But you know, you you you respect what they put out. Because you follow basketball very closely, so you see like there's probably some guys that maybe you like in the current team that they're in or setup that maybe you did not like where they went to school, you know. I'm sure that there's plenty of those, you know, and we call that biases. And I have plenty of baseball stuff just as a follow, you know.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

He's man on earth. You think you'll say nothing but no damn Ohio, oh yeah, we got to do it.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

One of my favorite lines went to Ohio State, like Chris Spearman, dude was a beast. How are you gonna hate on that, dude?

SPEAKER_04 38:28

You know what I'm saying? Like, Zach know it. I love it.

SPEAKER_05 38:31

I love Chris Carter. I love Chris Carter, and I don't like Ohio State, and I hate the Vikings, but dude, Chris Carter's shit, man. But anyway, sorry, back to basketball.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Yeah, no, I mean I was I mean, like, just kind of to add on what like on that a little bit. Like, I honestly can't even really think of a ton of basketball players that want to um because I mean MSU was the main basketball school that I hate. I mean, I know like Bridges and Jaron Jackson are the two main ones that I can think of off the top of my head that went there. And like, I don't mind Jaron Jackson, I don't mind Bridges either, but I don't think they're I mean they're both they're both solid, but it's all Star Caliber. Yeah, it's all Star Caliber. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

I I don't know if they'll be able to get over that hump unless they don't know I mean they'll never be like, but I mean Miles Bridges, both I feel like he's been but it's hard because like he's on a Charlotte's more better this year than they've been in recent past. Right. So I mean like, but he's still averaging 18. Um, that's all-star formidable, especially these days, average 18, you know, depending on the shooting person. It's the same with Jaron Jackson, because he can play defense, yeah, he can shoot the three, a little inside game. You know, I mean, he's a good player. You mean not somebody that you're gonna base your franchise off of, but he would be a great addition with Miles Bridges if you like kind of that player to get you over the hump. Yeah. Right? You mean like that's you know, it's kind of surprised me that they fucking traded him to Utah. I was like, yeah, come on. I get Utah, like Utah, they really do, when healthy, they do have a decent offense. Like they have between Keon or Keontae George, Markinen, Kessler, um, and obviously you have Jaron Jackson, like Utah is a they they wouldn't surprise me if they rip off 40, 35, 40 wins next year if they're healthy. Yeah. No, I don't know. I mean, I can I can see that. I don't know. Take them out Walker Kelser all year, right? I don't think he hasn't played a game. Yes, and Laurie Markinen has been in and out of the lineup. Keontae George in and out of the lineup.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Yeah. No, because I mean I think Jaron had an injury that kept him up for the bunch of yeah, I forgot.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

Yeah, he's out for the season. Would he play one or two games at Utah, maybe, if that? Yeah. I don't know if he ever I don't even know if he played a game since he had been short.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

I think he did play one or two, but yeah, not very many. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

Um they probably just shut him down for precautional. Yeah. The season's already over. Yeah, they like it. He probably could be playing right now. But they like, nah, we're gonna take that chance.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Um, but no, yeah, let's get it over. We got a few of the Sweet 16 games left to cover. I think just this Michigan-Bama and then Tennessee-Iowa State game. Um, so I mean, yeah. That Michigan-Bama game was close for a little bit in the first half and like a little bit of the second, but I kind of always had a feeling that Michigan's offense was going to, or Michigan's defense would turn us into offense. Um it did. Ended up beating them by double digits. Um, only team in the club. Let me wait. It's a good thing you didn't. Let me wait.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

I know Darren said it's tax. Michigan 10-0 run. I'm like, oh my God. I need my words.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Yeah, I mean, only team in the tournament so far to put up 90 every game. Yeah, y'all been balling out. Offense is tough to beat. Tough to stop. Yeah, and we've beat everybody by double digits so far as well. So I mean, I was I mean doing it. I was expecting us to do that to Bama. Um, I mean, what did you guys think Bama had much of a shot at that game at all? You want to go first?

unknown 42:22

I cannot go.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

I no. No, no, but I mean that's we saw Michigan the points they'd been putting up. Like until until somebody can stop that. Yeah, I don't it it that's just gonna keep rolling over you now. I mean, I Bama played them well, you know, um, at least in the early north for as long as they could. You know, but I mean, you know, again, you know, that's uh I I remember you talking about Florida earlier. Like, Florida just didn't seem like they should have been a number one seed. Like, I think that the SEC got a little bit of uh because they're the SEC, you know what I mean? Like at the very least, I don't know if Bama should have been seeded in the spot that even even if they won early on was gonna allow to run into Michigan, right? Like um, and that's you know, like there probably could have been another number one, like Houston, you know. Uh Houston probably could have been a number one instead of Florida. I don't really care about the region. You know, it's about the best teams, right? Yeah. So I think I think that the you know that and and so by that token, yeah, I didn't really see Alabama standing a chance. Again, you go out there and you play the games for a reason. But yeah, you pretty know much know what's gonna happen after the first after the Sweet 16, you pretty much know. You know, that's when the VCUs start losing. That's when the storybook, junior Western losing college starts losing, you know, is is around there. So after that. Yeah, it's kind of like all over the show. That's what makes the games like uh Yukon and uh and Duke that much more memorable, you know, because those are the teams that should be there. Yeah.

unknown 44:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

In theory. Those are the ones that you try not to doze off for on a Sunday afternoon when you got through a client that dictatic.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Yeah, no, because I mean I mean, do you wanna you wanna talk on that mission game a little bit?

SPEAKER_04 44:30

I um I I I I I thought Michigan was gonna win, but I I did see one issue um that could have possibly um uh caused or made the game closer and maybe you know pull it out of the end is be the fact that Alabama can't shoot the ball. Can uh they can. And you know, Michigan, obviously, with the big boys on there, they're built to stop the paint. Um so you know, kind of the way you beat that or you, you know, is to have shooting. Yeah. So I thought, you mean maybe if if Alabama was knocking down these shots and it's hot, then they had a chance. They were at the start. Right, that's what and that's what I'm saying. And and it kind of got a little cold and Michigan got hot, and um big boys got to working down there. And so that was the only thing between with that game, is like the only chance that Alabama had was if they can A, knock down their shots, and then B, keep knocking down their shots. Um, because when somebody's hot, it don't matter, you know, it it it it forces you to adjust defensively. Right? You mean like and then that often weakens what you were going into, you know, your you mean we're best at. You mean now you gotta bring help out, you gotta double team, you gotta you know, slide over these off ball screens, or you gotta get heads or not heads. Um it really depends on how the game's going, but you know, you gotta make them adjustments, and Michigan made them adjustments, and Alabama um just couldn't hit their shot. And then the talent set in. Um and then also uh Alabama missing uh one of their key players, you know, uh, you know, um I don't can't remember what he did. Some court shit or whatever, someone you know what I'm talking about? Uh no, to be honest, uh I think it's a guard or something like that, but he got in he ended up going to jail or some shit like that uh a week or two before the tournament. So he's on obviously.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

Oh yeah, he got busted with uh pounds of weed.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah. And so yeah, and he so and he was uh uh instrumental part to their um their success this year um in basketball. So I think that hurt them right off rip, but you know, uh other than that, no, I I I knew I I kind of thought Michigan would still win the game. I had them win the game. I had them go into the Final Four and playing Arizona. Yeah, which is what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

Um but I mean that that so that Tennessee Iowa State upset. I was well, I wasn't really I wasn't really expecting that too much. I know Tennessee was on a bit of a roll. Especially on SEC too. I yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:14

They're going to the point, like I just keep hearing these teams, and I'm like, man, I just kind of think that they got a little bit uh overlooked just because they have the those three letters right next to their channels.

SPEAKER_04 47:24

Right, yeah. Well, Tennessee showed that they weren't uh I guess a number six scene. I think they were up by double biddy stammer the whole game. I guess Iowa State. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

Like right off red.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Like I was not expecting them to play Iowa State that good. At all. Um because I mean Iowa State was a deserving two seed for sure. Iowa State had a solid year. Um like you said you thought the Big 12 was so I mean I like I I think the like which kind of what Don was saying, like just top heavy. Like the big the Big 12 has more of the top, more of those top, I mean, because I think in the top five Houston and Arizona, those three right there. Yeah, right. We're like we're we're in the top five all year. So a little bit more top heavy, but or the Big Ten is more well-rounded, like has more 10 to 20 seeds. Um But yeah, I mean, I wasn't I mean, so there's already been so who all is even left in the Big It's just Arizona is the only team that's left in the Big 12. Um there is only it was only it was only Arizona in the Elite Eight, too. So yeah, I mean the Big 12 kind of stunk it a little bit in this uh Well they had Iowa's oh yes right yes right it was only is Arkansas in the Big Twelve? No SEC SEC okay so I mean there was only it was only Iowa State and um Houston and so those so those three going into Sweet 16 yeah so I mean Big Ten had Big Ten had like five four or five Purdue, Iowa, Nebraska, State, Michigan.

SPEAKER_04 49:14

Yeah, five Illinois, two Illinois.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Did I say did I not say Illinois? Purdue, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, State, and Michigan, yeah, six.

SPEAKER_04 49:23

And it's down versus three. It was down two, so one, yeah, I mean, so they had three going in.

SPEAKER_05 49:30

We had more team in the tournament, too, didn't we? Oh, Wisconsin was seven in the tournament. Almost one eighth of the field was used.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Yeah, and six of them made it to the sweet sixteen. Yes, sir. Pretty solid. Yeah, yeah. You know, who was the one team that didn't? Wisconsin. Or we had Ohio State in there, too.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

Oh, that's what you're saying. I had eight.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

They lost they lost first round.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

There's probably another team that was in there.

unknown 50:08

That we can't.

SPEAKER_04 50:09

Alright, so I might eat a nine.

SPEAKER_05 50:11

Well Big 12, I mean, they had about Where's Maryland's program gone? Not to get off on that, but like talking about a program that just kind of like poof just went off the map. Like, where have they been the past little bit?

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Yeah, nothing out of them.

SPEAKER_05 50:26

Like, that's gotta kill SVP, right? Deep down, that's gotta crush him. He's terrapin.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Yeah, no, I mean who was like kind of looks like a terrapin to me.

SPEAKER_05 50:43

Right? Out surfing on the that East Pacific, current.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

I mean, bro, who is the who has Maryland had in recent history that's been notable in the NBA? Like I feel like I've uh like yeah, I mean, because I don't know I was gonna I was gonna say I can't think of anybody off the top of my head that went to that I've heard that went to Maryland. Basketball.

SPEAKER_05 51:14

But I feel like they have like Didn't Vernon Davis play basketball at Maryland edition of football? Did he play both or no?

SPEAKER_02 51:22

I don't even I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_05 51:25

Vernon Davis, the old tight end for the Niners. Can't win with him! Won't win with him. Michael Singletary had this whole locker room blow up. Because Vernon Davis was just kind of shuffling. But that's another that's another topic.

SPEAKER_02 51:45

Man. The Tigers just sold the game in the eighth.

SPEAKER_05 51:49

Did they? They were up 5-1. What happened?

SPEAKER_02 51:54

They just let up six runs in the eighth.

SPEAKER_05 51:56

Oh, that's Barterfitch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Two outs. Three run dogs. Oh man. Yeah, three-run shot with two outs. That hurts, man. Oh, Will Vest.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

That's yucky Will Vest.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

It wasn't Vest who gave up the dinger.

SPEAKER_05 52:16

Oh, was it Kenley?

SPEAKER_02 52:18

No, it was Jansen.

SPEAKER_05 52:20

Yeah, that's Kenley.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:22

But Vest is the one that put everybody on base.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Yeah, he was, yeah. I mean, he only let out one hit. Just walking.

SPEAKER_05 52:29

So Myse does. I think Mys is actually gonna have a pretty decent.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Yeah, he got nine strikeouts today. That's a pretty good show, and on a hit tonight.

SPEAKER_05 52:39

So the whip was 1.0, ERA's 1.5, and then our pen just forgot their pampers. Like it's all running down their legs right now. Oh, we got a totally I mean we got a nice lineup. They gave up six runs. All six earned. Walk to, it's just that they got hit, and that that that dinger was what did it. Yeah, sure.

unknown 53:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:03

That's ugly.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

That's the only thing that couldn't happen, man. Two outs, two on. Oh man. Yeah, that kills.

SPEAKER_05 53:14

Jeez, it couldn't even have been Perdomo from my fantasy league that hit it. That's garbage.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Carrie, Torque, and McKinstree. Let's hope we can get a little get a little something going in the top of the nice.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Well, here's the thing that's eventually gonna work in our favor with that is uh is um we have not hit a home run yet this year, so we're well overdue for that, right? And so when you tell me that Torque is up in there, and Torque is get on base. Torque is going to be I mean, that's his home crowd. But he went to Arizona. Okay. So he's gonna want to give them a just a real good kiss good night.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Well, dude, I wish I wish he was third up, so he could put us up by one with a with a dinger, but I'd take I'd say I'd take a tie up. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 54:07

But you know, that's the whole bets thing. I do have Paul Seawall on my fantasy team, too. So if he throws a clean night and gets me that save, I I I guess I can use it.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

But um how much how much time we got left on this five minutes. Five minutes, okay. So we can wrap up this last five minutes a little bit. Um we can uh I mean, yeah, let's just I mean, so Illinois over Iowa, Arizona over Purdue, Michigan over Tennessee, Yukon over Duke. Um let's just skip ahead to the final four. Um Illinois Yukon and Michigan Arizona. We can uh start with you if you want. Um just kind of like give us a quick little sum on this Illinois Yukon game.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

Um I have Yukon winning. Um I think it'll be a close game four or five point game. Um I think it's gonna be one of those games, it's gonna be back and forth all night. Um but I think Yukon Pravil. I think do the coaching and just you know constant motion on offense.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

Like it does for a lot of teams. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

I I agree with the coaching part. Uh coaching tends to be one thing that can traditionally stop strong momentum. Um, but also, you know, like Yukon's a team, right? They're they're they're there. Um nothing against Illinois. It's been a fun run. I would love to see a Big Ten on Big Ten final, you know. Um just so we can just kind of a little bit of everybody else. But um, I I mean Yukon. I'd you know, I'm I'm gonna casually have that in the background while I'm watching some buddy argue balls and strikes, I'm sure. For sure.

unknown 56:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Well, I mean, yeah, I think I'm I mean, I know I was I don't think I can go against Dan Hurley in that either. I think he think he gets to the championship. Um but I think going into that next game, I think Michigan-Arizona game is definitely a finals preview. Whoever, whoever wins that game, I think is gonna is gonna be able to handle Yukon. It's just the better team. Um coaching could play, like I mean, Dan Hurley's gonna do what he can, but I think just having the better team overall, um, whether they have to run into Yukon Um or whether they have to run into Arizona. Um I mean, Arizona and Michigan are both just defensively so good. And I mean, I mean offensively and defensively. So I mean that's why I think that that matchup between those two is gonna be probably one of the one of the best games of the year so far. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, Michigan's favored by a little bit, but it could definitely go either way. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm super excited for it for sure.

SPEAKER_05 57:28

Sooner or later, like, and I'm not trying to be an naysayer because I had to, you know, all things aside, I'd you know, hey, if Michigan brought home a national title, that'd be sweet.

unknown 57:37

Sweet.

SPEAKER_05 57:38

Good for sure. Oh, yeah. But um, you know, a hot shooting like they've had, oh you know, you were touching on how they've been earlier. Relatively, yeah. There's always that game that creeps up when you least want it, too, you know. And and contrarily wise for Arizona, like, how many years have you filled out a bracket? And and like Arizona's the team that you put, yeah, you're so sure of it. Like, I'm not gonna let Gonzaga beat me this year, so I'll use Arizona to do it. And then they're out. So I think that Arizona still has the disappointment factor to live up to. Yeah. You know, personally. And if I, you know, if if if if Michigan gets there uh to the point where they're they're ready to close the deal at the end of the game, I think that Michigan probably is a team that does that. But like, you know, there could be that one thing that goes drastically wrong for either team, and that's either fate or really cold shooting. And and you know, and and the team it kind of happens to both two is is the one that's not gonna come out of it.

SPEAKER_04 58:51

So uh call me crazy. Crazy. I think uh uh fresh and all it's gonna be a lot of you know uh static or a lot of whatever just because how good Michigan and Arizona is this year. But I do believe that whoever wins the Illinois Yukon game won a championship. Yeah, um I think it'll spill over, bleed over. Um and I think you know, kind of similar to college football, Indiana. Really didn't, you know, didn't show much or whatever, or didn't we a lot of people weren't believers right until I know I wasn't, um until they kind of you know beat Ohio State in the fucking playoff thing and uh dismatch of Oregon. Okay, yeah, yeah. And then Miami. They played that game as a great game back and forth in Miami. Um, you know, I think they were obviously the second best team in that whole fucking they had a tough little road there, played Ohio State, beat us. Um and then so Ole Miss.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

Ole Miss right now. That could yeah, that could have went. I was I was I was high on Ole Miss, man. I think if if their coach didn't leave, their coach typical Lane Kiffin.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

I didn't you know what back to basketball because if we do Lane Kiffin, we're gonna be here until fucking Wednesday morning, Thursday morning. Okay, Wednesday morning. Yeah, it's Wednesday morning, but Thursday morning, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

Yeah, so I mean yeah, final four picks, I think you guys you guys got UConn. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. I mean I think I think all I think all of us have UConn. Yeah um and I have I have Michigan if you guys got Arizona.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

Over Arizona? Like I said, I mean you're gonna be cold, you know, once in a while. I don't think even if Michigan gets cold, I think they can edge him. I think they can edge him. And uh but I you know if if Arizona goes out there and beats him, then uh that wouldn't surprise me. But I think Michigan probably keeps it within like six. Okay. I haven't even seen the line out of you guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:20

One and a half. My heart says Arizona Mai says Michigan. Heart says Arizona Mai says Michigan. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and uh say what your mind takes. Take a pass. I'm gonna take a pass on that question. I know you're surprised.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

I mean Michigan.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:44

I mean, Michigan heart. So you knew I was gonna say Arizona, all right. You come on, brother. You knew babies said Michigan up.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

So no, I said no, no, I said you didn't. I didn't say it. No, you said I said Michigan. I said Michigan.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Oh I said heart says Arizona. Mind says Michigan, right? That's not good. Let's go on both, bruh. That's what's not gonna be. The heart of the mind plays tricks on you. The brain plays tricks on you a lot. Okay. It makes you feel something that you don't feel something. It makes you feel something you don't feel. So I don't, that's why I'm like, I don't, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Well, I guess um, I mean, it's gonna be Michigan Yukon. I think it's gonna be Michigan Yukon. And I gotta take Michigan in that game as well. I think Yaksha Lindenberg wins MVP. Man, best player in the country. Maybe okay, maybe. Man, he's he's he's been on a tear. I mean, over AJ? I don't know. Okay, yeah. I would have put him over AJ. AJ Devonta is a talent.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:02

He put me on an AJ. I ain't gonna lie, you did. I didn't know I didn't really, I wanna, you know, I don't really I follow Cosback, but I don't follow until like tournament time, right? Late, like late February, March. That's when I start following um less than one team. When it starts getting good. Yeah, but like in the beginning, I remember this, I don't, I don't remember what when it was, but you're like, yeah, this AJ, you know, the master mean like, yeah, he's like he was your he was the only dude on BY US.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

Right, yeah, and I follow him. He was used to solid.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

So for example, like I think he translates uh more to an NBA than Boozer does, in my opinion. I think he will have an easier transition because of how he plays. Just how athletic shoot, he goes inside long, but like he can defend, like he, and he's he can defend multiple positions. I think he I and I could be wrong. I mean, like I said, I could be wrong, but I think he is a guy that's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

I think that's a bad I think that's a valid take.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:05

I mean depending on where he goes, right? And depending on injury and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

I mean just the just the just the dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:11

I mean, just the Bulls is a dog. Booz is good too. You know what I mean? But AJ is a fucking, you know, I've I but I will take Bulls who over Peterson, in my opinion. I think Peterson kind of showed later on, like, yeah, he could score, but he takes a lot of shots and he misses a lot of shots.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

As far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty sure he was shooting about 43-40% from the field in college. What you mean, which is, you mean to me in any level that's not really that good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:38

From the field. If you three, yes, but from the field, you shoot them 43, 40. You mean that's close, that's that's closer to 40 than 50. So um, I just, you know, like in Candace, they're not a team that they're good, but I just think college basketball, college football, whatever. You're seeing the NI show, the whole players getting paid, you see the diversity, you see, so it's spread out. Like, you're not, I mean, it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be unless it's women's, but very you're gonna see teams that are stacked, like how you know those Duke teams were in North Carolina, basically, whatever are going on. I mean, it's gonna you're gonna see far and less of that. Right? Because you're seeing it now. Like, there's not a team that you can look down and be like, this team is fucking stacked. Like this app, they have three, four all-Americans, or they have three, four, five stars. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like how it was. Yeah, you mean so like this player could seem good, but also you look at you like Kansas got decent players. You mean some that'll probably be better than the highly talented ones, but you mean like no one ever really sticks out like how you did when you had those Kentucky and those Duke teams in North where you got four or five people that were fucking could be number one picks in NBA. Decade after decade. Right after decade. Correct. So, you mean that's how I'm like that, you know, um Yeah, I just it's spread out. So that's you know, I I I don't I I like I said my heart, my mind, I mean split between those and I'll take a pass on that. It's hard for me to choose. I can see either one. When I can see between Mission and Arizona. I think UConn I think you well, you know, I I I chose UConn and win it all. So I gotta stick to my guns. I think I still think UConn is gonna win it all in a matter of if they play Arizona or I'm gonna trust either I'm gonna trust I Dan Hurley. He's that good. So I'm gonna trust Dan Hurley and to to to to figure it out, to make them adjustments to play. And the only thing about UConn is they don't have that one player um that can go get a bucket when things because they're so uh pass oriented. So it's it's everybody kind of contributes. They don't have that one player that can go get a bucket when things get tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

You kinda seen that when there's one minute left in this title. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

You seen that with Duke a little early on. Um but I think but also you know it's different when you're playing down versus when it's 57-58. You know what I mean? Like, and but also like they had to do hit the shot, you got me, but he's not I don't even know who the guy was. I can't I mean I can't remember who's name, but I know it wasn't Caraban or um the other two players. Yeah, and so I just you mean I just somebody hit it from the dark side of the movie. Like they had they had Stefan Castle Clark when they won a championship the second time. Yeah, Stephon Castle was their best player. You still had Alice Caravan in the time before they had uh who I can't remember what it was and they had Jordan Hawkins.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:43

So you had Bro they had they had another um they had another big man that went pretty high in the draft too. Where did he go to Charlotte? Ryan Coke, or is it was it Ryan Koch Brenner? I know he was a I know no, it was Donovan Klingon. Donovan McClangan was a very good thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, but Donovan Klingon was a team. He was a part of yeah, he was a part of that second, the second, I think first and he's a part of both of them. Yeah, he had you mean Caraban, him, and then they had uh uh Castle. Yeah, and that that team won, and that was the second or the second year they won the championship before that Castle wasn't there. If he was, I don't think, but they had Jordan Hawkins who plays for Elephants right here. He was a fucking dog, but knockdown shooter. You know what I mean? Like in that offense, the way they move and everybody constant fucking screens and off-ball screens. Like when you got a shooter like that, that's tough. You know what I mean? Like, I guess I it kinda it reminds me of you know reminded me of Golden State, like in their heyday when they had before really before Durant got there, like it was just constant cuts and off-ball screens, or it's like Curry or a clear somebody's gonna get old by default. You're going through all these guys, it's like a maze. You know what I'm saying? They go and you got a knockdown shooter. If you can shoot like that, where you don't even need space, right? Curry, Clay. I mean, they don't need, I mean, at that time they didn't need no space. They used to come up up from 30 feet, 35, didn't matter. Hand in the face, didn't matter. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Curry's the best shooter of all time. You knew you knew God for you got an off-ball screen, all these goddamn screens, but you still gotta worry about Clay Thompson, and then when Kevin Durant came, you still gotta worry about you. So you had three players that can knock down threes at any point in time.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:28

You know what I mean? They had guns with a Navarro out there. Dude, it was it was disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:33

That shit was unfair. I was like, I remember that when they got that, when they got Kevin Durant, I'm like, there's no way this team is not winning multiple championships. Like that. I'm like, this that's it was a hand, it was a perfect fit. Wait, how Kevin Durant plays perfect fucking fit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is disgusting. Like, this is you just got arguing. You got the second best player in the game.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:02

So on any given night, none of them gotta worry about defense. They can just stay back there and play the outside game all night long.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

No, because because he because KD was playing defense. KD was great defender at the time, too. So him him and Draymond. Yeah, for sure. And I mean, that was when they signed Iggy too.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:21

No, yeah, so I mean that's yeah, they had that. I mean, that team was like beautifully due to minus Kevin Durant, due to Mark Jackson. Um, even though Steve Kerr got, I mean, he's a great coach. I'm not gonna say anything because Steve Kerr, he's showing it down.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:38

That's that's it's a shame that they kind of did what they did with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:42

Yeah, that was yeah, he built, he drafted Clay Curry, brought over Igadala, drafted Draymond, all that. He drafted that, he brought that whole nucleus together. Yeah. And they went to the second round and he got fired, and then Kirk, and like I said, no, not to Kerr, because Kerr's showing now how great of a coach he is. As much as I hate seeing him on TV and complain all the time, he's there. Curry ain't played in two months.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:10

They still win without him.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

That's what I'm saying. Steve Kerr is like, he's I will take it Draymond, it ain't uh Jimmy, and they're still relevant. Like they're still going to at least employ somebody for four games or more in the playoffs. Not a chance. They won't make it out of the playing tournament.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:32

You don't think so? No. A little bit of magic, a little bit of magic fairy dust.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:36

That should that should lead into our next. Let's just go straight NBA.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:40

Um, by the way, over Michigan.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

Really? Yeah. That surprises me.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:48

I think that happens. It's alright. I think I think if if Illinois goes, I think Michigan beats. I'm gonna be the only right one, but that's all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

That's all right. You're gonna be hurt. It's gonna hurt you. It's gonna be a tough day. He is not gonna be reachable on that Monday. And leaking in a Tuesday.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

But I need to close my phone to the shop.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:15

Especially in a close game. I don't know, because I know you betting. Especially in a close game.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:20

I don't know. I might not.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:21

It's better if you don't mix betting and ball with emotion with that type of game.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:26

I don't know. I might think what's the spread? Well, what for Arizona it's one and a half. For Arizona, it's one and a half. So I it I can't imagine it would be any less if Michigan ran up against Yukon. I would expect Michigan. They're probably favored.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:42

Whoever wins out of y'all two are going to be favored. No, I mean, I think if we put I think if we played Yukon, we'd probably be like a three and a half, four and a half point favorite, if not if not if not more than that. Because we beat everybody in the tournament by ten points.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:57

I would see if you can't beat everybody by thirteen. If you can get a teaser on that, I might tease Michigan down. Like Michigan down to a minus four. Okay. Because those last second shots, man, you know, I don't see a lot of things. I mean, you know, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Michigan goes out and they just go up 18 right off the get or something. You know, the game's pretty much a wrap at that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:27

And that one and a half and that one and a half point spread pretty nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:30

I mean, 18-4. You can first six, seven minutes.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:35

I'm more I'm more more like if that team goes, happens to go on like a 16 or 18-0 run because they just the hot shooting kept staying hot instead of getting cold for a change, then that's kind of more what I'm saying, because that's gonna swing some momentum. I'm not saying they couldn't claw back into it at that point in time and make it respectable, but the likelihood of of Michigan losing that plus four if you can tease it to that, you know, is very, very unlikely. You'd still make some money on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

Yeah. No, for sure. Because I mean, yeah, I don't think Michigan Michigan's not gonna wouldn't say they'd lose by more than more than five if they hit it. Yeah, it's good. It's gonna be a close game regardless.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:17

And the one thing that I I kind of makes me think. You never say that you never know real quick to go.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:26

I might fuck on a pop and buy 20, or they might fuck on a pop y'all by 20. Just on some just bullshit, just you can't hit your shots. Shots ain't going in, rebounds ain't going your way. It'd be those are the two determinants. Like if you can't get boards or team keep getting eventually they're gonna they're gonna cash in on those. Right? So that's really gonna determine because y'all big boy, if y'all go out there, right, and Arizona's able to out-rebound y'all, especially with y'all sides, that's deflating. For two reasons. One is just again, out rebound is deflated, especially offensive, because you work so hard on defense and then they get a rebound, and by default, someone's gonna be open because people are tending to crash to get the rebound or leaking out. Then also you look at size, you like you're expecting to win a rebound back. So that's what I'm saying. Like, if they if Arizona, whatever, is able to fucking dominate the boards, that changes the whole aspect, it changes the whole game plan for both sides, right? Because then you don't have to hit the shot that you normally or whatever. You can go code. Yeah, you shoot eight for or three or four for fucking twenty-eight from three, but you got 17 office rebounds. So by default, you know what I mean? Like, and it's gonna go be either way, you know what I mean? So that's I'm like, you know, um, I don't like I said, it's it's split between two. I know how good Michigan is. They're a good team, especially when big boys get to roll. You know what I'm saying? They get down there, them boys, it's tough. They play inside out, they play how you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

Like, especially when our guards start knocking on their threes too.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

Inside is where it starts with y'all the success. If y'all, that is in anything with basketball. You want to work inside out. Because then you gotta change the whole defense. You know, say it's similar to football. So if you gotta run the game or run the ball, it changes how defense have to adjust. Because now the play action is available because you're able to run the ball. Now you gotta, you got the linebackers, and it's the same thing with basketball. Like, if you go on inside, that that you gotta crash off, you know what I mean? Like, this motherfucker killing us. And that leads to people opening the corner on the side. Bang, shot.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:30

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:30

Like, that's it depends to me, it's gonna whoever wins the inside game, as far as rebounds and scoring inside, to me, it's gonna win the game. In my opinion. Unless they got one specific player on each side that's just knocking out shots, right? Unless they're like a halftime, they got 17 and they five or four for five from three. Then they're gonna keep feeding who, you know what I'm saying? But if it's an evenly matched game, whatever, and nobody really getting off, I think that's what is gonna determine the game to me, is gonna be the dog fight. Like the physicality, the just rebounds, who wants it more. In my opinion. I think that's what is what that game is. I think this game's probably gonna be 55 to 57. You know what I mean? Like it's gonna be probably 20 to fucking 18 and a half.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

I think it's gonna be a little bit higher scoring than that.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:15

But I don't know, bro. I just think it's it's so much they know what's at stake.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

And it's they're both very good defensive teams. Yeah, yeah. I just think maybe they get maybe they score 40-50 in the second half, right? Maybe they get loose, but I just think that first half is gonna be so much at stake, the intensity, you know what I'm saying? Like, unless, like I said before, unless they got a person or a couple players just hitting right off wrist. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, but if it's a still, I think it's gonna stay like that pretty much all game, and then even the first half. Like, I would not be surprised if it's 24 to 20 in the first half, and both teams are shooting bad. You know what I mean? Like, I just wouldn't be surprised with them too much. I think it's gonna be opposite with UConn and Illinois.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:56

I think both. Or even if it's not shooting bad, at least not being able to move the ball as freely as they're used to. Right, correct. And and and it's basically just a first half clock bleeder.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:05

And neither one of the teams have played each other, right? I don't Michigan, so it's unfamiliar. Foe, it's you're gonna, it's you taking that time to get used to who you playing. You know, you mean it's different. If y'all is playing Illinois, that'd be a different case. You'd be like okay, you ought to face these motherfuckers two or three times. You know me, so like it's gonna be you gonna pick whatever you attack and you're gonna go straight. But when you playing against a foe that's dangerous, that you've never played against, you gotta kind of move like carefully, right? You gotta like you gotta see what they're doing and adjust. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's vice versa. It's just, you know, like you ain't never seen, you watch tape. What you mean, tape is tape, but it's differently you played that team, right? So it's the same thing with you know, Arizona, you know, we know Michigan and Arizona both looking at tape on teams that they've even played similar, right? That they've the same team that they played together.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

Yeah. Well, I was I was just gonna say that like, I mean, in the round before, Arizona beat Purdue by um 15. So I mean, I think Michigan, Arizona already knew that winner of that game was gonna have to play Michigan. So I wouldn't be surprised if Arizona was looking at tape before before they even played that game. Yeah, um like on that Michigan Purdue consumer.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

They probably presumed y'all was gonna be Alabama before y'all beat now.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

Yeah, so like everybody's like Arizona was definitely looking at that Big Ten championship and looking at how to stop Purdue and just look just looking at how we were playing too. So honestly, I I might give them a little bit more of an advantage just because Purdue beat us in that Big Ten chip, and then they just went up and beat them by 15.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:40

A lot of teams will do that, and then what they'll do is they'll look they'll look at the film a few weeks ahead of time, right, of who their opponent's gonna be. They do it in football too. Yeah, and they'll run certain plays over other opponents leading up to that, specifically so that you know what, like, hey, we've been uh doing uh not that this is a player nothing, but like a 38 Dallas dime or something, you know, so that when that gets called up in the huddle or whatnot, you guys have already run this thing, you know, with the specific intention of beating uh Michigan or Yukon or Arizona or Illinois, even though you've used it on other opponents, that's kind of like the practice run for this. So that by the time you know you've done it eight, twelve. You've done it, done it a few times, and you are enough run in that play when you see a certain defense that they're setting up for or offered on the reciprocate, and you're trying to attack that or neutralize it. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:41

It's exactly what we scripted.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:42

Exactly. So they've both, yeah, you're right, they've both looked at each other's film and tendencies and whatnot for little things to pick up on and then exploit and then worked on it and practices and the games themselves.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:58

I mean, I think it's at a little bit disadvantage for Michigan because I'm trying to think of who in the Big Twelve we played this year, who who we would have played that Arizona played, because I can't even think of anybody that Michig on Michigan schedule that Arizona had.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

Well, it may not have been um a Big 12 team that y'all played. It may have just been an out of conference game. Yeah, I guess both I mean, like a BYU Florida, whatever. It may have been some some like.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

I don't know because I don't know if did Arizona play did Arizona play Duke.

unknown 1:21:36

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:36

I don't think they did. But it could be all also a team. They could look at you know, film on a team that and uh on both sides that were like, yeah, it's not this team, but they ran a similar offense or a similar set than y'all did. Right? Yeah, that's true. Like, so you know, it's just like so that's another thing. I mean, you can look on film as far as like, yeah, this isn't Michigan, but they ran a 2-3 zone on defense. And you know what I mean, like, so we're gonna look at how to attack this.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:02

It's it's similar, it's similar to what they're gonna show at you.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:05

Exactly. And so that's I think that could be something um they may look at as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:11

Uh but yeah, um so it, I mean, and it you know, to to go back to the whole thing real quick, to touch on, you know, who's Michigan played, like, not that that was put out there as a derogatory, but like they did make it through the Big Ten. Oh, yeah, no, the only team we lost was Wisconsin. The only team was. Um Arizona and Michigan faced off in uh in November, and Arizona beat them 80 to 62.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:48

I didn't realize we played them already. Um because we only have I th we only had three losses, and it was Wisconsin, Duke, and Purdue.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:57

I are you sure are you sure that was the that I that might have I might have gone back a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:04

I don't think yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:11

Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:14

I'm not seeing it's good for me, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:17

I don't really know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:18

I don't want the cadves doing shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:20

I apologize so much. I misread that. So Michigan played Virginia when they were ranked 14th.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:27

Okay. Womped them.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:30

Michigan played Kentucky. Um Womped them. Lost. No, we lost 73 to 63.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:37

To Kentucky? Not this year. I know that's not this year. What are you looking at, Pa?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:47

I don't know. Maybe I've scrolled through all that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:52

We didn't lose to Kentucky. Pretty fast. Um over the season we were 35 and 3, and I know that it was Wisconsin, Duke, and Purdue. It was those three. Um, because we Yeah, TCU.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:15

Not the villain, I was great. You guys beat Gonzaga by 40, Zaga was 12.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:22

TCU earlier in the year, uh Auburn earlier in the year, Auburn was a 21.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:30

Um Auburn, oh that was okay, so that's what you guys beat TCU by four.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

Beat Illinois by 14. Yep, yep, yep. Illinois was ten, we were three. Yes, sir. I mean beat beat Purdue by eleven. Okay, we're we're so I mean, yeah, I mean we were we were looking we've been looking good all like yeah. I I don't I don't I mean this this Arizona game is what's gonna decide it because I'm you know I'm taking us over Illinois or Yukon, man. I just said we beat Illinois by 14 already this year. So I mean, yeah, it'd be different playing in a national championship for sure. But uh, I mean, I think this Michigan team this year has has been super consistent. And also the Wisconsin game that we lost in the regular season, we actually had um we got the shot off like I think it was like 0.5 seconds late. The buzzer sounded, we shot like, bro, and we we made a three. Like the shot the shot still went in, it was half a second late, it was tough. But like that was one of the only like that that's I mean, probably the only other game where somebody scored 90 on us. Like where somebody scored that much on us. So like Wisconsin just wasn't missing that night. I I really wish that Duke game would have went the other way because I don't think we like I don't think Duke played better than us that night for real. Like, I think it was just we like we we didn't play our best. Our offense wasn't playing as good as we have, like as good as we have been all year.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:12

So um I will say this though. Um looking at who y'all beat and the losses and wins, um, it's good and a little um little alarming as well because I guess y'all blown out some teams, but a lot of the games that y'all have lost have been closer. So what my point is is like we lost three. Right, and all every three, all three of them were close. So my point is like when it gets it, when you we're going against a team, when you get to that crunch time, right? Um sometimes it's a little bit the same like in any sport, um you're blowing everybody up, but what it's it's different when you're playing those close games, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

Can be. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:01

You mean that's when you feel that I feel that you mean it's like y'all lost to Wisconsin by one point, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:07

We also beat them by three. We hit the game winner the second time we played them. In Purdue, how many points should I lose by then by one? Two eight. It wasn't it wasn't really that close.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:19

That's so the closest.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:26

I remember looking at it, I was like, damn, bro. I don't like like I mean, we still got time to come back, but like kind of dug a hole for sure. Well, that's and that's um I will I guess uh And we also in the first game of the Big Ten touring you only beat Ohio State by four. So that was that was a kind of a close game, too. Yep, it was I mean it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:48

Um but I don't know, that's it's a different opponent. Uh Arizona versus anybody off realistically played all year. Um Arizona's gonna be the best team you all played. Yeah, for sure. We'll say we'll save that by to me, it's not even close. I mean, other than that, I would say Gonzaga. No, Duke. Duke. Okay, Duke. I mean, depend yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:11

I guess they were a valid one seed. They were the only other valid one seed except Michigan and Arizona. That's fair.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:18

I think their conference played a little part in that as well, but that's another story. Um but goes back to what I said about the LCC. Yeah, and the ACC isn't what it used to be. ACC used to be the Big 12 and the Big Ten. Used to have Louisville, Syracuse. Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, let me say. But anyways, um we'll see. I think I think that'll be ultimate trash for y'all in the close game. So I mean for y'all.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:46

I'm I'm looking at the schedule, and I didn't realize how um that we only that we played Iowa so late in the season, but we put we only played Iowa two games before the Big Ten tournament. So it was the first game of March. It was only a few weeks ago, but we only beat them by three as well. And I think that was at Iowa. And I mean, so we saw that. So we saw we saw what Iowa was doing in March Madness 2, though. Like they were they were getting upsets, they were hot. Um Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:13

It was all about just, you know, uh for me, I just thought, you know, um a lot of the game, you haven't been blown out. So a lot of the losses have been close losses, but uh we'll see. Um like I said, you got Michigan, you got UConn, you got UConn winning it all. Um we'll find out come Monday. Yeah, come Monday. But yeah, um CBD signing out. Let's say Chris, special guest.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:44

You guys have a good night. Yes, sir. We'll be back next Tuesday to recap all the national championship.