Episode: 15 Season: 1 NBA Playoffs Round 2

After a short break, we’re back with a fresh episode diving into all the action from the first round of the NBA Playoffs. We’ll break down the biggest moments, surprises, and standout performances, then turn our attention to the second round as we preview the key matchups and what to watch for next.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

I want to get a little bit of three.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Welcome back to ZBD, Episode 15. Back for another one. Ah man, NBA heating up a lot these last few weeks. Round one. A lot of good matchups. I mean, I think last episode we were covering a lot of the playing games. Just kind of going into the first rounds. But we have messed the last few weeks. Just been a lot of stuff going on. Work, moving out, etc. But we're back now. And we're gonna make that time up, cover, cover a little bit more time than we have in these last few. Just getting all these playoffs done, jumping into fucking NFL draft, what's all happened in the offseason over there in these next few episodes. But um, yeah, I mean, tonight, probably just cover first round NBA.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

You know, a lot of things happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Yeah. Yeah. Uh some injuries. You know, happening first round key injuries on some teams. Uh when it died with the Thunder Sons first.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Is that yeah, well, who you were what major injuries came back now, but you know, Ant-Mag going down.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Okay, for Minnesota, Aaron Gordon, for Denver. Um I guess not major. Um there were like I'm I feel like another player got hurt too. Maybe on the east.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Um I mean, I think, I mean, I mean, I think going in the west side, um, like Thunder, 4-0 against the Suns, and then jumped on to Spurs, 4-1 against the Timberwolves, both of those series were pretty solidly handled by the favorites. Um, I mean, and then Nuggets, T-Wolves, and Lakers Rockets were the other two that were a little bit more, a little bit more competitive. I mean, so we'll start with like go Lakers Rockets just kind of a summary, like, like knowing that knowing that Lakers don't have Luca and AR for the or yeah, I mean AR came back for the last game. But yeah, so knowing that they didn't have them and the Lakers and the Lakers were still up to go three-o on them, and they probably should have won game four, but or no, no, no, I'm tripping. The Houston sold game three, so they should have won game two, and then and so it yeah, so but the Lakers, Lakers were able to go up three-o on them without Luca and Austin Reeves, which was definitely impressive, um, which was able to take them to the next rounds. The Rockets, I mean, we're kinda I I wasn't really super high on them going into the season or like going into the playoffs. Um, I mean, they they had a good regular season. They have big I mean they have good talent with KD, but you know, count him. I mean, yeah, I mean I mean, I mean, I mean, bro, I mean, count him, bro. He, I mean, he was he was he was probably I mean he was averaging the most points for him all year. So, I mean, he also didn't play three, or I mean, I think he only I think he only he only he only played game two of that series. So he wasn't want to go against Ron. Yeah. Maybe. But um It was ducking. Yeah, so ducking Braun. Yeah, I mean it's also also the fact that the Lakers were able to have Um Some good role players getting off early in that series. Cannard was was getting off early. I think like I mean but dropped way off after that. Yeah, I mean well bad yeah, but I mean like I mean like I mean just just to be able to put up those put up those first few games just. Just show what you're capable of and like like just to just to get you through, just to get you through at least the first round. He's probably like he's probably gonna show at least a few more games in this playoffs where he can I mean maybe not against OKC. Yeah. I mean I I don't I don't know. I don't know if he'll put it I don't know if he'll put up another 30-point game, but why not? Um yeah. No, I mean it was it was it was it was good to see that though. Like it was it was good to see um Marcus Smart also play good as well. He was knocking down a lot of threes, and I I mean Lucy Mara too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

He yeah he has money from three that whole series. I mean he shot fantastic. Every game, even the games they lost, he shot good from three almost every single game. He played his part, all of them did. I mean I think you gotta give um also a nod in JJ Reddick and coaching, right? And believing in Louis Kennard and and his bench who really didn't have a choice too, but just gives you all kind of just kinda playing a small ball line. Yeah, I mean he all coached the Rockets coach. He was a better coach um in that series. Especially when you look, I mean Houston. I don't know, that's why I'm like K. I don't know. I just I didn't I didn't expect KD to um only play one game in that in that city. Like I just like I'm I was blown away. I think if they had KD, it would be a much different series, they probably would have won the series. Especially because the role players for LA kinda uh faded a little bit as a series run on. LeBron kind of helped close the series. Um in game was it game seven or game six or game seven? Game six. Okay, yeah. So yeah, Houston, yeah. So I mean, they all play good, but LeBron, you know, was a driving force in that last game. Yeah. Um, and who you see in the numbers from a lot of those uh players um who play good early kind of fade throughout or through the series or not. So I mean, if KD's playing, I think they probably win, but I mean that's just it kind of blew my mind that he didn't play. I mean, like I'm like, I don't even see where he got hurt.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't I don't know what he was going through, but um I mean I think bone bruise. Yeah, no, I mean I yeah, so I mean he had a he had a bone bruise in his ankle, which is like I mean, you can come back from like like I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

I'm yeah I didn't see him be hurt at all.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

Like play the whole game?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't know if like I mean like I mean it might it might not have happened in a game also like like yeah like like just pr like just practice like just practice or whatever. Yeah they didn't really say what it was and I feel like I feel like I feel like KD didn't really I didn't even know he was hurt going in the g the series.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

I didn't know when he said he was on the out game one.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Yeah. I don't know. It was it was yeah, no, I mean like when they yeah, when they came out with that, that was surprising to me for sure that he wasn't playing and that I wasn't expecting it either. Um but also I whoever whoever got out of that Lakers Rocket series, um Thunder, Thunder blowing past the Suns as easy as they did, um won all their games by ten plus. I think they won probably like two of them by twenty plus. Like they were they they they killed them. Um th Shay averaging thirty thirty-four points a game um and eight assists. So he's playing he's he's playing some of his better basketball right now. He was sh he was super efficient against Phoenix too, and Phoenix was one of the better defensive teams in the league. Um, or like, I mean, like they were they were a top, like they were a top five rated defensive team. Really? Yeah, I want to say like like after all-star break with like like like with like with Dylan Brooks, uh, Mark Williams was down, like they like they had like they had like they had lose they lost Dylan Brooks for uh two months. Well broken wrists. Oh yeah, they yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

But he I mean he was he he was healthy for him all playoffs, so I was I was saying, but he's after all-star break, so that's something like literally broke his wrist shortly after all-star break. He missed pretty much the whole second half of the year.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

I mean, the the sun like the Suns still made a pretty like the Suns still made a good push after that, though. Oh yeah, yeah. They they I like I'd I feel like they like they didn't really lose a ton of games like that for real. I mean, because they had um like uh well because cause Jalen Green was like he wasn't playing like a like he was honestly he was playing better than Booker was in that in that okay or I mean he was kind of playing like like I he he he was putting up he was putting up the same amount that Booker was and he was like who Green playing games he did no I didn't know in the OK in the OKC series he was doing more than Booker was yes he was bro yes he was no bro he put up he put up he put up 21 26 and 23 booker did bro Booker put up Bro he barely put up 20 e any game put up 23 22 16 so I guess they had they had damn the same amount bro like Booker didn't have one game over 25 in the playoffs against Phoenix so coming out of your like yeah you're supposed you're supposedly best player I mean he was the best player I mean he I mean he was yeah I mean I mean he was I mean he was game too I mean it I mean it's healthy it's it's tough it's tough that you gotta come up against the best perimeter defense with OKC yeah think about it even though that bitch was over no matter how good he played Devin Booker could have played out of his mind motherfucker could have averaged 40 points a game they still would have fucking lost like it don't matter bro like anybody everybody knew who whoever got to that AC it was a rat no matter who made it I'm gonna play in you know what I'm saying everybody knew it was a done deal and we saw we saw OKC's bench the depth the depth that they have was getting was getting off in this getting off in this first round against the Suns. Um I really like let me look up who specifically um because I feel like probably like Isaiah like I want to say like Isaiah Joe had some pretty good games. Um I mean Jer like Jared McCain also tonight um had a pretty good game against the Lakers. I know that's uh skipping ahead a little bit but um I mean Caruso's definitely been I know he I know he's been solid I know he was solid for him against the against the Suns. Um I mean he's he's got experience though he's gonna put up defense and offense like I mean yeah he's typically more defense I mean that's what they brought him in for is defense but then he's a defender but then but then but then with but then with the defender though you get those fast break tracks you get those fast fast break points his offense is like a Josh Hart I mean like like the way what like his I mean his points is a plus right like he's gonna go out there you know Josh Hart is gonna defend he could get rebounds Caruso could shoot when he's open I'm just saying but he's not known for score you know I mean he's gonna get you eight to ten points a game but he also gets you three steals you know saying one or two blocks and he's gonna lock up whoever he's playing that's what they brought him in for I mean that's I mean honestly I mean in game game three in game uh four in the Sun series he went for 13 to 14 he gets you but he plays good he hustles he you know I mean like he's a good he's a player that you want on your team you know what I'm saying like a Drew Holiday he does all the right things like an Asar like an Asar bro he's he's he's at he's at he's everywhere he's everywhere on the court bro he's everywhere on the court yeah but a sar can't shoot we're talking about you say you're someone's offense it's a it's a work a star shooting is a is a work in the progress but he's nice around the rim though yeah I'm just saying shooting though and like offense like a star not known for office you're bringing his ass in the city no no no no no no we were no we were literally talking no we were talking about Caruso and how defensive like I'm talking about like how like how defensively he like how that like how that brings offense.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Well yeah but I'm saying but you also saying like his offense ain't bad either and that he can shoot you know what I'm saying like but I'm saying a sword is kind of like a good example though because uh his defense turns into offense right so I get what you're saying in that but you know what I'm saying like he's but I mean his known what he known for this defense yeah and rebounding you know what I'm saying like they put in they put the best player I'm pretty sure was he holding Donovan Mitchell tonight? Or James Harden was he holding any one of them too I'm pretty sure he probably was yeah I mean for he don't want K to get in foul trouble so yeah for for yeah for most of the night he was holding Donovan and and uh Eva Mobley he was holding he was holding Mobley for a little bit um when Dern I mean we'll not like bro Dern and Stu had him most of the game like he was uh bro a decent amount of a decent amount of the game he was on Struce um like just like just trying to keep him off the three point line but I mean like just just kind of going on like because Cleveland was switching a lot but um we'll we'll get into we'll get into all that in a little bit but um two two more series in the kind of cut yeah covered suns covered suns thunder covered Lakers Rockets and then save the best I guess one of the best out of the two last out of the woods and Nuggets like that's the best series yeah so we can finish it up we can finish it up that one yeah I mean Portland played good man I'm not gonna lie if you think about it I mean they they didn't play it good enough to win no but everybody knew they wasn't gonna win but they got beat by double digits every game bro they didn't that's what I'm saying but they were up by double digits and lost by double digits but I'm saying that's more of just mental errors and just talent being talent right and Portland didn't have no right who who would have thought Portland would in the playoffs this year anyways let's start off with that right the most improved player should have been fucking Denny Avita or that I don't know how to pronounce the last name he avia whatever the fuck I don't give a fuck Denny I'm just gonna call him Denny alright call him um yeah he deserves I mean like bro he I didn't see it coming with him I did not see him being a player he is and maybe it's just a one year ordeal because I've seen players in the past or I've seen players now where they have one or two years where they kind of make you think that they're one of them like guys or whatever and then they kind of fade right so I don't know if he puts up another year like how he did you know I mean this year or next year then I'm like okay now I gotta start putting this dude into consideration of like top 10 top 15 players in the league but how he played this year based off of just this year he's a top 10 top 15 player he carried them especially with with having Shane Sharp out for a good portion of the season no Dame Lillard you had fucking Drew Holiday which is a good piece Scoot was a revelation for them because Scoot played good this year. Scoot Henderson played a lot better than what he did last year. You had Donovan Clinton who played good as well Jeremy Grant who's you know beats and off the bench so Portland definitely is a team that I I didn't didn't think they would make the playoffs um I kind of would if I'm looking down the list I can't you know if we we would have to pull up a list um but I'm saying like shit I I just definitely Portland they did their if they're experts they did very well as far like expect all their expectations in my mind were exceeded this year. They have something they can build on they have a player that they can build around they have Lillard coming back which I mean you know we'll see with that Achilles is tricky. I mean not saying that he's obviously not going to be the whole Lillard we know that but that another veteran shooting ain't going nowhere right because he won a three-point competition this year. Yeah no and he wouldn't even fucking playing so the shooting we know one thing about him we definitely know he can still fucking if you put it if you put him in a good system that he's that and Milwaukee he didn't have a fair cut at that I mean they really didn't get a chance to play together that much bro they didn't you know what I'm saying like they got a fair sh uh a a raw end of that that shape with that they matched them together they didn't really pair the right players around both of them and neither one of them could stay on the court enough to really see what could have been in Milwaukee. I mean if you put the match them two in their prime that would have been disgusting if you match it you know I mean old fucking Dame and Giannis like that's nasty. Like that's a fucking you what do you do at that situation at that point, you know, as a defensive player or defensive team. But um yeah so I mean you got Lillard coming back next year whatever the shooting is still going to be there um the rest we'll see but I mean they got something to look forward to and they'll probably get you know a top 15 pick probably you know I mean like they they didn't have they finished what I mean a little bit over 500 around 500 around Phoenix yeah yeah no not port no port yeah but like I mean San Antonio did what it what I expected them to do if you ask me I exactly expected him to sweep them you know what I'm saying if if and and it and you know going back to that you know um we're talking like that game one you know saying yes San Antonio was up by double digits kind of all of game one but it was like more of I'll I'll go out and look at the score and San Antonio be up by nine and I'll come back then up by twelve then I'll come back then they'll be up by eight or they'll be up by ten and I'll come back then they're up by two like it was I mean they were beating up I mean the game San Antonio but Portland was hanging in there. You know what I mean and also they were up by 20 at one point at another game and they blew that you know what I'm saying like and you talked about it you know with Detroit and and New York last year is how many games you guys are up and kind of blew the lead right what could have been you know what I'm saying like so it's just you know Portland you know that's inexperience from Portland right and that's just talent taking over for San Antonio because San Antonio has inexperience playoff wise as well but their talent right of eventually talent is going to beat that shit. You just better than the team you know what I'm saying like when you better than somebody San Antonio's better but you know I mean Portland the fact they I mean all bullshit aside I mean they could have won two games in that series right I'm just saying I mean if they would have stayed up there up by fucking 20 at the end of half who like why I mean I'm just saying if you even without Wimby on a Wimby out being down 59 to 38 at the end of halftime but then also turning around and winning by 20 it's crazy. That's a crazy that's a 40 point swing that's crazy. But I'm just saying like you know to be down but that's alarming. And then we see it right we see it in game one you know I'm kind of going a little bit forward but we see it in game one that we we watched last night with them against Minnesota with an ant man coming back that ain't played in three games and he torched their ass and they fucking lose at home in game one.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

I'm just saying like this is a different football right and we talked you said you're fucking bro bro Minnesota is a fucking complete different story like bro fucking bro bro Minnesota has like bro San Antonio might genuinely choke this bitch and might win games against Minnesota might fucking knock like knock them into a different story because you're right okay you're I don't I don't think that's gonna happen but it could because of the inexperience so that's what I'm saying you can't afford to go down by 20 against a team like Minnesota is all I'm saying like that's what I'm saying against Portland like you went down whatever so you went down by 20 against a team like Portland like no business going up by 20 anyways. No so I think bro fucking portland Portland was lucky to get the game they got granted they were lucky and they played good granted they had a great granted they had a great year their team like their team their team was solid they beat out the Clippers and the warriors and the warriors and the warriors they was expected to play bro they won that I think I would not every game we might be a different story. Bro they did not every game but we were watching the one game we were watching the one game they won and San Antonio missed a buzzer beating they won it by two points right they won it by two points bro OKC beat them by 15 plus every game.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

What I'm saying is like oh how OKC did sons right that wasn't even nothing nobody wanted to watch that. There were a couple games in that series the game that Portland won and the game that Portland was up by 20 and but most of that first half of the first game where it was interesting to watch none of that San Antonio on OKC was anymore that we knew what was happening. You know what I'm saying they blew them out by 20 every fucking game it was but Phoenix was never up by 20 on OKC.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Never and then they didn't win a fucking game yeah that's what I'm saying that's all they did one game in the I feel like even in the gaming I feel like even in the game that Phoenix or that Portland won they really weren't up on them That much at all.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

They won't.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Yeah, bro. They won again. They won by two points and fucking didn't send in Antonio have a point. Didn't send Antonio have a chance to win it at the buzzer. I'm pretty sure they missed a three. I'm pretty sure they missed it three, and Portland won it by two. But um I think that I mean so the Spurs Spurs handled. Spurs handled them. I think I mean we we all knew that was gonna happen. Um but yeah, I mean they played T-Wolves last night. Uh T-Wolves beat the Nuggets 4-2 under that shit.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Yeah, I mean they beat him by double. I mean, yeah. They beat him in the middle of the cannon every every time. Well, I mean, listen, bro. And the one game that played look for the first time. The closest game they lost was 13. Hear me out, bro. The first, okay, the first quarter, game one, like I was specifically pointing to, right? Game one, we go quarter, we showing who won quarter wise. First quarter is really what won San Antonio in a game. They beat him, they had 30, look 30 to 21 in the first quarter. Then you look at the second quarter, San Antonio outscored him by one point. The third quarter, they outscored him by. So they're up by 10 and a half. Yeah, that's it. But the first quarter, I'm saying, but then you look at the third, they did outscore them every point or every quarter except for the fourth. But the third, they still only outscored them by five points. So they're in the fourth quarter.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

So they're up by 15 going into the fourth.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

That's what I'm saying, bro. And then you the fourth quarter troll, but it just outscored something.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

But but then they just carried on from that first. Right, that's what I'm saying. But it's not like they dominant.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

I mean, like, that's not really dominant. I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

I don't know about me. It kind of, I mean, like, in some ways, the first quarter shot up, they killed just a first score. I guess it's not dominating, but like, I mean, fucking. Portland kept their ears up, bro.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

I mean, bro, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

They had to keep the pedals in. It kind of is dominating, bro, because they won up, they got a 10-point lead in the first quarter, and then they held that in the the entire game. So, I mean, I it I think it uh yeah, I think you can call that that they dominated that entire game. They didn't they didn't let Portland get close.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

And okay, we'll say this right here. Okay, so look, this okay, my bad. And this one I'm looking at, this is game uh three right here. So in the first quarter, Portland wins that 29-27. In the second quarter, Portland wins that 36-32. The third quarter, San Antonio beats him by seven. Well, one in the game is a fourth quarter, they beat him 32-21. So throughout the first half and three-fourths of that game, Portland was winning. They were the better team. That's what I'm saying. Like they gave it wasn't like San Antonio, yes, the outscore, they won by 12. But they played them good, bro. Yeah. You can't tell me that's not for uh what I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Nobody gave Portland a shot at all, bro, right? We wrote them all. I mean, it's good to be able to do that. That's look that's good for us. Yeah, it's good for the biggest.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

And it led to what San Antonio maybe have trouble on their hand. Right? San Antonio is not maybe as good as we maybe a little too early. Because if Minnesota got her and fucking around and sweep they ass, then what are you gonna say? I'm just saying, like Minnesota's not gonna sweep. Bro, I'm not saying they will. But if they go and beat them tomorrow, then what are we saying? We rewrite, we sing in a different tune, and Minnesota go Minnesota goes out there and beat San Antonio again. And then they go to go, gotta go back to Minnesota for two. Bro, I'm just saying, anything can happen. I'm not saying they will. I had San Antonio winning a series, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Yeah, so did I.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

But game one changed a lot in how they played in game one, right? And also, I wasn't, I was big on saying Wimby's not gonna play that, but Ant-Man didn't play that great either. He didn't play back, but you know what I'm saying? He didn't the best Ant Man, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:11

He got all he played good, bro. He got all he was efficient as hell. He was 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

That's what I'm saying. How many points are you? He had like 20, he had, I want to say he had like 18 or 19. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

He could have 30. You know what I'm saying? The best Ant-Man, I'm talking, the best Ant-Man is going on. He only put up 13 shots and he made eight of them, bro.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

He made like three for like, bro, like he was. He played good.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

That's why I say he played good, but he didn't play as good as he could. But imagine if he did, the game wouldn't have been close. That's all I'm saying. We didn't see the best Ant-Man. That's all I'm saying. Like, like he, you know, we know Ant-Man's gonna have one of them Ant-Man games. He's gonna have a game in the series where he dropped 35-40. That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? I'm like if he if he can if he can get to full health. Right, man, yeah. And Randall. Randall didn't you know what I mean? Like, he still has been on and off, you know what I'm saying, and scoring. And then also you got a player McDaniel, who we just seen in the last series can drop 30 on the ass. He's talking shit to Denver, telling him they had no goddamn defense. Nobody could hold him. You know what I'm saying? And you know, I mean he fucked around and told him and dropped 30 the next game on the ass. When they said nobody on the exact. I mean, dude, he fucking oh no, cause that's kind of funny, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:21

I mean, bro, just the fact that the fact that the Edwards and DiVincenzo both went out for it's still one. Yeah, both went out for Minnesota, I think, in game five.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

We can lead to that to fucking the Denver and Timber was.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

So so they went out in game three, I think. Same game. Same game, too. Yeah, the same game and I can't remember what the series was at that point. Was it one was it one-one or when it went up?

SPEAKER_02 27:48

No, I think it was up or I think Minnesota was up 2-1, Minnesota was. I don't know. Because okay, Denver won a first game, Minnesota won a second game, and they won a third game. So I think it might have been a third game. Yeah, because the next game they came on and blew them out. Yeah. Without both of them, then Denver won. Denver won a game.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

So yeah, so I mean they're up 2-1 going into the you know going into the game where they didn't have Ant and blew them out.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

I mean, fucking seeing the Timberwolves do that on the Nuggets. Jamal Murray's a goddamn trash.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I mean trash. Fucking trash. We got a Denver fan here right here. You know what I'm saying? You know the fucking. I don't give a fuck if you average 24 out the series. I don't care. You come on in game seven and put up fucking 10. Yeah. Come on, man. I don't give a damn, bro. I'd rather you fucking do what Cam Johnson did and average fucking nine throughout the series and come on and drop 27 in game seven. People are gonna remember that more than you fucking doing what you did. Ain't nobody gonna give a fuck. You could have drop average 40 points a game in a series, and you come on and drop five or ten in the next game. That's all a motherfuckers gonna remember. You know what I'm saying? Like that last fucking game. I'm just saying, bro, like Jokic did what he could with what he fucking had. With no Aaron Gordon.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

He did everything.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Yeah, with no Aaron Gordon. But I mean, I can't let you know. He averaged 26, 13, and 10. Out of my mouth, knowing that they had no Demon Chenzo and no fucking Ant-Man at heart as hard. But I also know I gotta excuse a portion of that because Aaron Gordon was there, because he is um more essential to Demi than Demon Chenzo is, but not as more essential than Ant-Man, obviously, right? I mean, if I was to lose a player out of two, I'd rather lose DiVincenzo than Aaron Gordon, just because of the role he plays for Denver and the importance and how many clutch shots we've seen him hit. We've seen Demon Chenzo hit clutch shots too, but just Aaron Gordon. How many, how many defenses? Yeah, yeah, and defense, right? Like his their championship run, they put him on players one through fucking five. Yeah. Right? And he, I mean, he can he and he's IQ. Like he just plays a fucking uh a great game of basketball, makes the right plays, um, and yeah, he's just a fucking player that you want on your team.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Not being in not playing for Denver, because he only played, I think, one game. If if that, maybe two.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

And then, yeah, so I mean, I mean, it's it's the others for Minnesota's what I mean. Who the fuck seems AODSU fucking dropping 43 fucking points? I mean, who's seen that coming? And then also in game six, Terrence Shannon dropped 20. Yeah, right? And then you know Nas Reed, that's different. We ex I I love Nas Reed. I love that I mean that's a guaranteed 15 every fucking game.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

He's gonna get you 15. He a big man that can handle that bitch, bring it down, shoot, do it all. So that's what's the difference. That was a difference in the series. They had the A-O's, that's funny. The A-O's of the fucking of the worlds, and the fucking Terrence Shannon that, you know, once you're not. I mean, he played decent.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

And then you and then you still and then you still had Julius getting off for 1520, had Rudy going for 50 for five. Like, bro, he was he was getting some points. Yeah, Rudy was gonna be playing. He was playing good defense. Like, bro.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Yeah. Yeah, but everybody but him, they would. I'm just fine. I'm just fucking with you. But no, he did a good job on Jokic. I'll say that. He did a good job. Especially because Jokic's best averages in his career have become against Rudy Gobert. So that's why I thought he was gonna absolutely fucking destroy him this year. Because he last year, and they've matched, this is the third time they've matched up in the playoffs in the last three or four years. Or Denver won a first time, Minnesota won a second time, and Minnesota won a third. The first two times, Jokic destroyed Rudy Gobert. He was in that bitch killing his ass. So I just expected, and he played great. I mean, like, you know, he still fucking shot close to 50% from the field, or 51 or 52, or something like that. Average 25, 26, 13, 7, or 8. So for anybody, for any any that measures, we look at his name's not Jokic, Lucas, or any of those seven players. You looking at, hold on, right. You like, who the fuck is this dude? You looking at, like, okay, this motherfucker's a prompt. But because his name is Jokic, we expect him to average to do what he did last year and to put up fucking 35, 40, and 10 and 12 every game. Um he didn't because of Rudy Gobert. And I gotta give him the credit. You know, um I'm not a fan of this. Obviously, you know this. Uh I'd I'll give him the credit for that, but I just I still think he's a bum. Um, I'm not a fucking fan. I just don't don't think the dude should have ever won three defensive players of the year. Maybe one, whatever, sure. Three, there's no way. I can just I can go down the list of those years. I can just you just tell me a year and I can remember, I can name off at least three or four um better defensive players because they can hold one through five or one through four. He can't hold one through, he can hold one and four. If that he's not four and five. You put him on an island, he's gonna get a few. He's a rap. He's not any for one, two, three, anybody at the one, two, or three is cooking his ass. So that's what I'm saying. I've seen way better. Wimbiana is a better defensive player than him. Way better. I can understand if they if he had three defensive players in a year. Like, I can understand that. Whenby would be something at the end of the day, when you like, oh, he has three, he already has one, he had three. I'm like, okay, I can see that. Watching him play, I've seen Rody go Rudy Gobert play. Even back in Utah. It's a fucking bum. I just, that big, bro, there's no way that you can't fucking turn around and make a shot. You seven fucking two. And you going against six, nine, and six, eight, dunk the fucking ball. There's no way. I don't, I just, whatever. Um, anyways, yeah, what it don't even matter. Jokic don't got no athleticism. I just seen him dunk on some motherfuckers. I was bigger than them. You seven, two, come on, man. I'm just, you know, and especially if you spend your whole time in the paint, right? They'd be different if he was a shooter. If he was like somebody where you're like, okay, you need to get in the paint. You shooting too many threes, but he just sit in the fucking paint and don't do nothing. I've been critical or criticizing your boy Duren lately, but at least when he gets down and he gets the ball, he's dunking that bitch. Or on somebody, you're dunking it. Rudy Gobert's not doing that.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Or he's fucking going up for that offensive glass.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Yeah, or an oop. Right? That's what I'm saying. Rudy Gobert, that's it, that's cool if you're gonna sit. Do something if you're gonna sit in the fucking paint the whole goddamn time, bro. Dunk on somebody. And Durin is 6'10, 6'11. Okay, mind you. He's not if you're a 7'2, it'd be different. Yeah. You know what I mean? But still, he still got to develop a jump shot, but we'll we'll get on that at a different time. No, no, whatever. You know what I mean? I'm just all I gotta say. Got some mid-range, some round of free throw line, something to back the defense off. But we'll we'll talk about Detroit, so I'm just saying. Um, and I know you agree. It would help the team. We all know that. But yeah, uh, I think the others is what really fucking propelled Minnesota and what could propell them again in this series. Because they did lose DiVincenzo, right? But these of DiVincenzo has been known to be streaky and up and down. Um obviously you show if you motherfucking pop 40 on somebody, you know, they they show they they got a capability to score. Um, so Ao, uh, Dasanumo, he, you know, anything happening. And Shannon, I mean, he played what he, I think he shot, I think he put up 14 points or 15 in game one of this game, what, yesterday. Which is good for a player like that. That's good. I mean, that's what you want.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

No, I think this I think this is his second year out. Yeah, I think he went to Illinois. Yeah, yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Left-hander, ain't he? Huh? Any left-handed? I couldn't tell you. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. But um, I mean like 2014.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

So just having him, AU fucking Najerie.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Uh yeah, yeah, you got a fucking veteran in Mike Connelly.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Mike Conley, and then you still got solid starters that are playing right now, and fucking Jaden McDaniels. Yup and William McClellan. We didn't get William McCoy.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

I mean, that dude can fucking he is like, bro, I want to bro, he broke up he put up 30 in game seven.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Huge fan of game. He put up 30 points in game seven to c or no in game six to close out the game.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

After talking shit. After calling the motherfuckers out.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

He put out 30 to eliminate them.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

And he and he and he holds, he plays uh he plays fucking.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

He plays both ways. He plays both ways, bro. He's a nasty ass defender and he can pop that bitch on three and he can fucking get in the rim on you.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

But that's another player speaking, even on his fucking team, that's a better defender than him, is Jamie McDaniels. That's a better defender than Rudy Gilbert. I've seen that nigga lock the best niggas down. He didn't. I've seen we've seen it. He didn't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

He's hand-the-IP, bro. You know what I'm saying? He makes it fucking tough. Bro, what is he what is he like?

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Is he like how tall? Is he like six? Six nine, six' eight. About that, yeah. He made it tough for Luca last year. When they played LA in the first round, he made it two for or two for he made it tough for Luca.

unknown 37:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

You know, them long ass, and he like he got like a fucking damn near seven foot like wingspan. Yeah. He got long ass arms. You know what I mean? Like, he makes it tough for a lot of players and they who they play, they fucking play. And Jamal Murray, boxing him up. They put him on him predominantly in fucking game six, and it paid off.

unknown 37:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

But still, if you murder, you still ask because you got it, you gotta, I don't know what happened, man. I don't know if it's an ACO injury. Or if him finally getting his money. He got a ring and he got a paycheck. Right? So he he accomplished um one thing that a lot of, you know, a lot of players they that's a lot of players don't.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Like in a final.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

We've seen so many players get fucking major paid paydays or whatever, and then they just never return to that fucking that form. You know what I'm saying? We've seen it in all the sports. Like it's just like it kind of feels like, damn, they finally got their money, not like whatever. But um, yeah, man, Jaden McDaniels, he's a player that I think they whenever he hits the market, he's gonna get top dollar. You know, I mean, if I'm Minnesota, I got you gotta do everything your power to retain him. I would I would I would if I'm them, I'm I would retain him um before Julius Randle. If if I'm Minnesota, I think he's more important to their success.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

I never should have thought they should have traded just in the way that McDaniel's. To be honest with you in the way that McDaniels is younger, he definitely has a bit more upside. Yeah. I mean, but but yeah, I mean I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

I just never thought I mean I would have never traded Kat for him, bro. If I'm Minnesota, I would have never fucking traded Carl Anthony Towns for Julius Randy.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Yeah, I probably I probably wouldn't either.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Because it's better defender, he's a better defender, and he's a better shooter.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

I don't know if I would say he's a better shooter, and he's a better passer. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

He's a better shooter, bro. For sure. I don't know. Bro, I don't know if I'd say that, bro. Bro, what bro just I mean I'm about to look up his, I gotta see about crazy as hell. Bro, because I mean the first the first half of this year in New York, bro, he was not playing good at all. And I feel like I feel like no, he wasn't, bro. I feel like Randall has been playing crazy? I mean 31% from three. All right, so let's see. In Minnesota. I feel like, bro, I feel like Randall's always like he's been pretty like 37% from the crazy. Okay, I was I wasn't just talking about three, bro.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

I'm just talking about all the cat's a better shooter than it's not close, bro. And he shot 50% from the field, Julius shot 47. He's a better shooter, he's a better player, bro.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah, but I'm I'm just saying I was like, I mean, okay, okay, so I mean, like just after after the T-Wolves got after the T-Wolves got knocked out of the conference finals two times with Kat. One time. Oh, it was once. Yeah, they had Randall, that's what I'm saying, yeah. And then it was Randall the second time. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

Yes, because they made two conference finals. First was Towns, and then second was Randall. Yeah, because the first one they had towns, that's when Luca came into the finals. So I mean, yeah, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

I guess that's just my opinion, bro. Is it yeah? I mean, it's it it it is hard to get to.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Randall's not a bad player. I'm not saying it's hard to disagree with that, but Randall Luke who's been Randall Randall is a good like New York's been better.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

New York's been better since they traded. Fucking look at look at him.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Bro, fucking bro, fucking, bro, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Eastern Conference Finals, like, yes, okay, but bro, mind you bro, Minnesota is also still very nice. Ever since he left, bro, Minnesota has been just as Curry and Jimmy Butler getting hurt in that series last year against Minnesota. You the one who was talking about her when I was like, man, I you know I fucking hate Golden State. I hate them. And you was like, you like, oh no, don't doubt, don't count on Curry or don't doubt Curry, blah, blah, blah. And that motherfucker went on dropped 3600, only coming back for the second game after missing like three months after I had them losing.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah, that motherfucker Curry can get off when you're gonna get away. That's my point, bro.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

And and no Jimmy Butler, that's what I'm saying, bro. So, but that that changed the city.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

This nuggets bro, I mean, bro, it's in like you can't do anything about injuries, bro. You gotta play the players who who you have on your team, bro.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

You're right, but I'm saying you're awesome.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Like, that's like we we've all done that. That's like if you don't have your best player on Detroit, you wouldn't be to you telling me now that's not the first thing you're talking about, bro. Man, we had K or if we had Dern, it'd be different. Because we know it'd be fucking different. You gotta, if it's a role player, that's one thing, but if you miss it, your top fucking player, come on, bro. That's gonna affect that's without Shake Shay off of fucking OKC. They're not winning no goddamn championship. You know that, brother. You know they not. Certain players, they can win without J Dub. They can win without Cha. Not both of them going, but one of them two, they can't, they can't win without fucking SCA. Y'all can't win without Cade. LA can't win without Lucas. And Minnesota can get far, but they're not gonna get to no championship without Ant, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, bro, like, but I get it.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

You are such injuries as a part of sports. So so, I mean, so that's why they so that's part of why they traded Cap, bro, because they weren't gonna trade an ant. They had to trade one of those superstars, bro.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

I don't know. I still don't understand. Why did you have to trade them? Why? I don't understand. You made a Western Conference finals the year before. Yes, you lost. You lost to Luka and Kyrie. That's not nothing to be ashamed of. Something wasn't clicking. That's not nothing we're gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Something wasn't clicking, bro.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

But then you go to next year and get to the Western conference again. And you didn't get through. And then now, yeah, you might get to the Western conference, but then what's gonna happen? You're gonna lose again the fucking OKC. They're not beating OKC. I don't give a fuck if Ant-Man plays. They're not beating them, bro. We know that. Unless Shay's not there, that's their only chance if Shay gets fucking hurt. That's it, bro. That's for anybody, bro. The only team I think, bro, and this at this moment, you're not gonna say, you're not gonna like it, but I just New York to me is the only team, you know what I'm saying? Because I say, granted, I said Philadelphia could beat New York, but I don't think MB will beat healthy. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

You say New York can beat the biggest.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Bro, you know, they bro, the first game, they lost by three to OKC. The second game, they lost by eight. They match up good against OKC.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

They're not going to get away. They wouldn't beat them in a finals, bro.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

A seven game series, bro. New York is a good, bro. Okay, let's think about it, bro. Break down that lineup, bro. Think about it with me. Break down that lineup. Because we transitioned into the East in a minute and a half, anyways. So break down that lineup, bro. Jalen McHale, OG, Brunson, Bridges, OG, Cat, and Heart, bro. Like you think, bro. You think bro OG Ananobi, solid player? Mikhail Bridges, solid cat.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Mikhail is a traffic cone on defense, and he's streaky as shit on Mikkel. Bridges, bro.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

He's a good defender. Are you smoking, bro? Are you crazy? You bro, what?

SPEAKER_01 44:18

That's what he's bro. What? I mean, bro, he's definitely known for his bro.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

I feel like he's known for his offense, bro.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Defense? You're crazy, bro. Mikhail Business. Okay. Solid defender, bro. And and so was Aaron Nobi.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

He was he bro, he was getting fucking, he was getting torched against fucking Atlanta, bro. Against who?

SPEAKER_01 44:38

He's getting a one Jalen Johnson.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Mikhail Harris struggled against. He broke the only nigga that was getting offered in was McCullum and Brunson was on McCullum.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Okay, so so he knows.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Okay, so he might so he might not have he might not have been struggling as much defensively, but bro, offense, bro, offensively, he's not, bro. He's streaky. Bro, New York, bro. Everybody in New York is fucking pissed as shit that they traded away as much as they did for him.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Bro, what do they what do they really trade for him? Like they traded like five fucking picks.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

And bro, they bro, who was the bro, there was a there was a player in there too, bro. Like, yeah, bro, but he plays his role. Bro, they get they gave away a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

They're not defense what they right now, bro. And so is Ananobi. Ananobi is a solid defender, a good defender, and he can hit the shot. Brunson is clutch. Josh Hart is a good defender, and you can got Mitchell Robinson coming off the bench, who is a fantastic big man down low as far as defending. Can't shoot free throws, not good, but defending, yes. And then you got Jordan Clarkson who has played good for them off the bench. Fucking Miles Bridges, who could shoot. New York is not bad, bro. I know they're a good team. Right now, they're playing how everybody expected New York to play. Because going into this season, New York was the hand at our odds on favor to win these. With Tatum not playing there. Then it shifted through La Mobile when Hadaway Boston was playing, and then when Tatum came back. But New York in the beginning of the season, everybody come on, bro, with no pacers being there. I know y'all blew them out every time, bro. 30. That's not y'all not blowing them out this time, bro. 30, 38, and 15, bro. Bro, are they not playing? They just beat a team by 30, and then we beat them by 30 twice, bro. We beat them by 30 twice. Bro, you're talking about the playoffs. Didn't Cleveland beat y'all more in the regular season? I'm pretty sure Cleveland won that series. Oh, we tied two too. Okay, that's what I'm saying, bro. So if y'all go on, Cleveland.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

The Knicks, we beat them by 30. Bro, that's regular teams, bro.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

That's regular season. We beat them by by a combined 80 points this year, bro.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

That's regular season, bro. Durin ain't playing, bro. That's a different Duran now. Y'all a different team. We've just seen that y'all came 80.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

80 points, bro. Just listen, just fucking bro. Like, just just comprehend that, bro. I understand that, bro. Three games. Y'all bent point differential was 80 points against them, bro. That's fine. They didn't put they put up they didn't put up more than 90 points in two out of the three games, bro. Bro. Their offense wasn't doing anything against us, bro, because we have a top three defense in the league, bro. And and that and it showed the first eight games of the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Bro, I understand. But the game slows down, bro. New York is playing better than they've put. Y'all are not, bro. Y'all played good. Y'all have, bro. But y'all were just down 3-1. You're on the brink of elimination against Orlando team. Right? Like y'all, y'all, they blew them all y'all handle, bro. But Cade is gonna get tired at some point. Because what happened in that series? What was exposed? Because y'all, when Cade is not hitting, it's a wrap for y'all. You don't know. It's just bro, bro. Are you hoping to be making out some biases?

SPEAKER_01 48:09

The Orlando series was different, bro, because we, bro, the game tonight against Cleveland, bro. If you would have watched it, bro, we were exposing them on offense, bro. Orlando had us had us boxed up because, like what we were saying at the like at the start of the series, bro, matchup wise, Orlando matched up very well with us, were very well with us. They slowed down the game, and they're face-wise, New York slows.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Oh my gosh, bro. Don't bro, we're gonna be able to do this. So if y'all match up today, whatever, you think y'all gonna beat them 20 points? No, you gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

No, we're not gonna beat. No, we're not we probably wouldn't beat him by doing it.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Brunson is a different animal in the playoffs. Certain niggas are different in the playoffs. It's different, bro. When you don't, when it's no tomorrow. That's what you gotta understand. When it's game safe, gonna be on him, bro. It don't matter, bro. He's gonna draw fouls, bro. That's what Brunson does. He's the most clutch player, bro. He's done, he's about to win a clutch player award again. That's what he does the most fourth quarter play. When the game slows down, he gets in that paint. I don't know how he does it at his size. I don't know how this nigga does it. But he does, because he gets niggas a bite and they call him foul every time, bro. And that's if Kat is not engaged.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Um, so the Knicks are trash, they're not gonna do anything. Um Jalen Brownstone's trash. I'm talking, I just hate the Knicks. But um, they did play pretty good against the Hawks, though. I was pretty high on the Hawks going into the playoffs, yeah. Um the Hawks they played them pretty well first few games of the series, but then like like you said, um Knicks woke up a little bit. Um yeah, that's actually crazy. The Hawks won game two and game three both by one point. That is right, and every other game is a blowout. Yeah, every other game. Except for first game, right? First game won a blowout, was it? No, the first game wasn't usually I mean 113-102, so still double digits, but then 114 98, 126, 97, and 140 89. So they handled them. Um and yeah, I mean, I was a little bit surprised to see um I was gonna jump ahead into the little bit against that Philly. I was I was surprised to see New York carry on and beat Philly as bad as they did because they went on and beat them by 40 as well. So um, yeah, they are a little bit scary the way they're playing right now. But uh yeah, I mean, what are you what are you thinking about that? What what did you see from that Hawks Knicks series? That's yeah, they what you think can kind of carry over into the Sixers?

SPEAKER_02 50:57

McCullum kind of ran out of, you know, got tired. He heard him Jalen Johnson didn't play watching Atlanta just to see Jalen Johnson uh put a really good off like that. Yes, uh, and I was interested to see first playoff fucking uh go around, wanted to see how he did, and just wasn't aggressive enough for me watching them games, like a lot of really passive. I don't know if it was coaching, I don't know if it was personal or what, I don't know. Um, but just not yeah, not aggressive like I thought, and then really the others didn't show up afterwards. I mean, you had uh fucking uh Caminga show up the first three, four games, and then he kind of faded. I don't I feel like they didn't have another big man. You had fucking Encongul, and then they had they were bringing in Can't remember the other guy, but he only played like they were bringing I think they were being four or five games in the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Pretty sure Jock Lando got traded in Phoenix. Oh, he didn't play at all. Yeah, he was hurt.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Oh he's that's why they brought in some another guy, I can't remember his name. Say last name, Brian, I think. But uh yeah, he only played a little bit in the season. So they're down they're now size um against New York, which is not a good not good when you got two seven footers and Kat and Mitchell Robinson coming off the the bench. Yeah um and then also uh yeah, they the shooting. The kill Alexan Alexander didn't play the best he could have. CJ McCullum played as good as he could have played. Um at the age he's at to get them up to one the way he did. But I mean, honestly, it could have you look at it, it could have been a sweep. I mean, they missed Bridges missed that fucking game when he shot coming down. And then I want to say Atlanta hit a game when he shot. So I mean, if you look, you think about it, they really could have got swept. Yeah. I mean, like every other game. Except for the first game was close throughout. Like I watched a good portion of the first game. Um at or New York kind of was in control and led most of the game, but Atlanta was kept within striking distance, yeah. Um, a good amount of that game. Uh but other than that, after that, you mean it was a blowout every other game. So I just, you know, I'm looking at it, I'm like, you know, did really Atlanta play, outplay New York the first three or four games after looking on it, or seeing them being up 2-1, you might think so. But if you really look at it and deep dive and watch the games, you could have won. Yeah, right. Win like they won by 10 or 12 in those two wins that they won. No, yeah, I mean they literally won by one. Including a fucking absolutely beatdown in Atlanta, fucking up by 50 at halftime, which is just crazy. And then, like you said, turn around and fucking pop Philly with all their guys and you know, coming off a big win in Boston. Three big wins. Three big wins in a row. Yeah, but just a really big one in games. I mean, game seven in the fucking garden uh of Boston. Um no Tatum. So that kind of that definitely uh changed a lot in that series, I will say. Um game seven, I mean, the way, especially the way it went it ended, I mean with Boston making it a game towards the end, because Philly, just the way Philly started off, I mean, they hit they were hitting shots right off the rip. Yeah. I mean, they started off by seven, eight, nine, I think it was like 11 to 2 in the beginning, first fucking, you know, commercial break or whatever. And Philly pretty much led that whole game. We're up by fucking double digits and dominated that game. And then Boston made a run like everybody expecting Boston to do at home. But I think, you know, if you got Tatum, maybe Tatum, the game doesn't get out of hand like that, and and he definitely is a difference maker, so that definitely played a uh a role in that game.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah. Plays a role in yeah, plays a role in fucking Philly being able to be up as much as they were um the whole and just being just being able to go on runs as much. But yeah, I mean I was I was surprised fucking or because you're talking about that Knicks, that Knicks hawk, so we can transition into that Celtics, Celtics Sixer series a little bit. Yeah, and I mean I was I was surprised because Celtics were up 3-1 on them.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

And yeah, I was he came back and it was over. Yeah, I I I yeah, I I wouldn't I wouldn't have guessed that they took three away from Boston in a row. Um Boston, I mean they Boston was pretty heavy or not pretty heavy, but yeah, they were they were favors to win the East before um before the playoffs started. So yeah, I mean I'm I'm I'm not mad about it. I'm not a huge Boston fan. And I don't I don't particularly want to see them in the playoffs. So um I'm happy that Detroit's been able to make it farther than they did. That's a that's a big thing for me. Um but that Philly series as well, um just proved a bit what Philly can do when they have when they really have MB'd. Because I mean yeah, I mean he it's it like it's a wild card. Whenever him, Maxie, PG, and like just their full team can get on the court together. Um I mean the game the games that they beat Boston, they like they beat him, they beat him pretty like they beat him pretty easily. Like I w I mean I wouldn't say easily, but Philly was Philly was making like like they were responding to all their runs. They were able to make like like they were just like they were answering everything that the Celtics were throwing at them. And in the games that they won, there wasn't really a ton of close games, I wanna say. There might have been like one or maybe two, but Philly definitely won a few games by more than like at least ten, I wanna say, in the games they won. Um and that's kind of another thing about Philly, like no, no, no, in the in the playoffs series. In the playoff series. Um But that's also another thing about Philly, because in those games against the Celtics, they lost, they got blown the fuck out. But then they also got blown out against the Knicks. So that that kind of like that kind of gives me a little bit of confidence that they will have some close games with the Knicks, just because they've shown that they can get their ass kicked and then come back and play, literally, like come back and win by like just come back and flip the script. Like it's it's weird. I don't like I like I don't know if it's an effort thing or if it's fatigue. Like, like I I don't know what it is, how you can go and lose to a team by th like by 30 and then come back a few nights later and be a different team. Like I I don't really I really don't understand like what that is, if it's a mental or like just if it's a like j if it's if it's just if it's a s if it's a strategic thing, maybe. Um because like in like in Philly's eyes, you just came off three huge wins getting yourself into the first or getting yourself in the second round. You know you don't have um home court advantage. So you know you have these two games coming back to Philly, game three and four. Like as long as you like if you can win maybe this game two, if not, you gotta win, you gotta take those next two, right? So like Philly still has a chance no matter what. I like I like I like even with New York winning this first game by 40, I don't think that they're out of it yet. Um Philly still like they just like they got they gotta play solid these next three games. If they if they don't win this next one, they gotta take the two in Philly. Um but yeah, I mean I I still think there's potential for Philly for sure. Um be alright. I mean, because I I was I wasn't expecting them to come out and beat Boston like they did. So I'm I'm I'm a bit higher on them than I was. So and but I mean the Knicks are also playing really good right now as well. So these next these next few games will be a good matchup because they also match up pretty well against each other as well. Um I'd probably say the Knicks probably match up a little bit better with them just because Kat can guard and be for the most part. Um or like like he like I mean like I guess not not guard for the most part, but he's a good he's a good matchup for him. Um Ty like and then I don't know I mean who would you put on who would you put on Tyrese probably? Um because you wouldn't put like yeah I mean keep Brunson out of foul trouble put Brunson on Edgmore you think yeah you think you think you think you think Bridges would be able to luck up Tyreet? I mean lock him up, but at least slow him down, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Either that or you gotta I don't know you gotta keep Ananobi on Paul George. Or actually you might put Josh Hart on Matsy.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

Yeah, maybe yeah, maybe, yeah. That's true. I didn't think about that. Yeah. Josh Hart on Tyree, so yeah. So I mean I don't know. I I don't really want to see, I mean, but if the if the Pistons could end up making it out of this round against the Cavs, then I would rather go up against the Knicks than the Sixers. So but yeah, I mean I don't know if we can transition Logan movies.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

I mean, if I get hurt, I don't guarantee M B gonna be there. Yeah. I mean you'd rather go against a fucking we gotta go with this track record. I mean, you have to. I mean, you'd rather go against Maxi and Paul George or Brunson, Kat, and you know what I'm saying, whatever. I'd rather go against Philadelphia because I don't know if a B's gonna be there. He got he got hurt. He's stretching his shit and doing all that in game six. So he's feeling some pain or something. You know, I mean, who's to say he'd be making through this series? Yeah. We don't know. He's coming off surgery. He's five or six days early, coming back to what most people are when you have an epidectomy. So we'll see. But yeah, booming man going uh Detroit Orlando, which was crazy. Yeah, um, yeah, I had y'all I had your boys done for it, man. Yeah. Orlando trash for that shit. But, you know, I'm not saying y'all was gonna it have made much of a difference as far as the outcome, but it would have changed strategy and scoreboard would have been a little bit different if uh Franz played. But yeah. Um either way I go, I gotta give you all the credit. Y'all came back from but I said something to you also. I said uh uh I was like, you know, the last time uh fucking Orlando was up 3-1 against Detroit, was back in 03 when they had Chauncey and then when they came back. And then lo and behold, y'all 3-1 and y'all came back. So something with Orlando going up 3-1 against y'all just ain't good for that. That's not it. Yeah, I guess they maybe they should try going down 3-1. I don't know. Well, they just, you know, just gonna haunt them forever, but yeah, um give me your uh thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

Yeah, I mean it was a it was a it was a back and forth series all game. Or all uh it was a back and forth series all series. Um I mean going going to seven games, game one, Orlando, they we didn't really we didn't play good in the first game. We we were slow, Orlando had come off a few playing games. We had a little bit of time off, we just are we just looked flat. Um game two ended up winning that one in Detroit. Um, but then ended up losing the next two in Orlando and whole time. I mean, Durin, like, because our I mean, like Duren was our Durin's our second biggest player, like he was putting most production up for us in the paint. And just like I mean, he had a he had a hard matchup with Wendell Carter. Um and was, I mean, on like like just a just a lot of different bodies. Like honestly, Bonkero was Bonkero was putting some work in on him. Like, but it was it was really just Wendell and like hit like him him getting in his own head a little bit. And like you can still kind of see it a little bit, like he's kind of trying to overdo, um, overdo a little bit. Because he you can see the talents there. Like he's like he's because like even in this I I was the game against get the game tonight against the Cavs, like he was he was he was playing solid tonight. Like, dude, he was beating Jared Allen off the dribble, get like because he got Jared Allen into foul trouble. Like, dude, he's like he has the talent. He's it's like the first three quarters. If you saw the shots he was missing, bro, he missed a few, if he missed a few layups, bro, that he is that that that he has no business missing. It's just a confidence thing that I think he's gonna eventually overcome. Um and like so, but no, so I mean with that Orlando series, like the first few games, like they I mean, they got lucky, I think, that they won those, that they won the games they did. Um because we were really just shooting ourselves in the foot more than them actually beating us. Because defensively, the in defensively the games that they won, we were still both really, really solid defensively, like we have been all year. Um that's I mean, that's our identity. But um I mean n like neither team was able to shoot well from three. Desmond Bain was able to get off. Um, and they I mean they were also I mean it was it was just a it was just kind of a back and forth, just a game of runs. So those um I think it was game, or so the game three, so game two. game three we like it wasn't like we weren't wasn't wasn't super close like like at the end of the four like they they beat they beat us pretty handily and then game four they were about to beat like game four they were up by t I want to say twenty in the fur in the fourth quarter but then we ended up coming back it was close and then go down three one to a heartbreaker um but then I think since K or I think since we went down three one um saw Stad Kade put up Kate was putting up 35 55% at three dude he's been he's been shooting it very very well um putting us on our back asar has been like Asar has been our honestly I I want to say our he's been our second best player man like just brought it up Tobias I mean to buy Tobias has been very he's been clutch on offense the game seven that he had um I also did just see a stat that this was his sixth consecutive game with 20 points. Somebody had 20? Yeah but also bro bro the the the pre the presence that a SAR brings on offense and defense bro like I say more defense than offense. Yeah but not really worried about him on offense and it's taking his off the game in a lot of those Orlando games because he couldn't score y'all already off is by eight worry about it off he had he had a he had a he had a he had 11 eight and five tonight he was four he was four for six he don't shoot that much but yeah he bro he does he doesn't shoot a lot bro he likes to he likes to get close to the rim bro because he can get those easy dumps you average nine ten points a game nobody's really worried about your offense if you're in a C2 you average 10 points a game just okay bro just the bro just the presence he brings bro on defense yes not offense bro he'd okay if he go out and drop 25 on you you you'll live with that bro bro you opposite team the fact that he's also fucking 20 what 21 I think yeah 21 yeah okay yeah bro he has fucking he's 23 or okay he bro he has fucking bro he he definitely has massive upside broach bro don't don't bro i don't i don't i don't understand why you're counting that out brought upside on his office and he his brother can give you 20 18 20 a game he cannot he cannot I'm just saying they the same age like his brother's more of a he can dribble better he handle the ball better he's a little bit better in a mid-range shooter he's an overall better player his brother is but I mean he's better defensively he's better defensively over overall better player is he is overall better player are you telling me if they traded right now you wouldn't be okay with that if y'all traded them too no I would I would I wouldn't use the best defender that's who they're bro that no bro that is our faith out of here bro I'll take a sorrow a man over a men any day bro look at the differential offense versus offense defense versus defense his defense is more important way better way better than his brothers you crazy bro you you don't you don't you you must not watch the games bro bro I watch Houston bro he plays good but defense he locks so you so you so you so you don't watch Detroit though because you he locks niggas up too but I think the I think the gap between offense and defense is more he's much more better offensively and bro is better than him defensively bro period that's what it is we look at it as well okay so a stat we look up and the average the same spills and blocks okay we're gonna look at it we're gonna look at the stats you gotta watch bro you gotta watch full Detroit games to see bro like to to see a Sar's impact in that shit bro he bro he's got bro he he does everything bro whenever he's in the goal score so don't say everything all everything on defense short but not everything or else you wouldn't be getting putting up 25 minutes in game one against Orlando if you did everything they don't do that for a minute out there 35 40 minutes a game facilitating too bro he's putting up like he put up our second most assists bro he put up five assists and that's the second most brother he averaged five assists his brother averaged 18 eight and five shooting 54 because he was playing the point guard for the Rockets this year bro he was he was the ever player guard for y'all no bro he's much better he's a better player bro he was he was their he he was their primary point guard for two thirds of the season bro and then they realized he couldn't do it and then they realized he couldn't do it so they stopped playing him at point guard two stills come on a block a game bro the same as they both got the same stats bro he average he got him your boy got him a little bit more in blocks but stills a a men has him in no way broke bro what are you talking about a men does not win game he had one three and then one in stills bro he had he had fucking eight nine steals in the series in five and six games I'm about five games bro five six games he had six stills that's a still a game bro three two two five two bro he brought bro I'm on it right now against the like in the rock in the Rocket series postseason bro he averages yes okay he has him in blocks but it's still the same he has him like 0.3 or 0.4 in blocks your boy does still the same he's not that much of a better defender than him bro you act like this nigga can't bro if you who bro if you put in your best they had him on Braun they had him on Rees they had him take no I'm taking a star overall you crazy overall you smoking bro there's no way anybody would say that in their fucking life bro crazy as fuck that nigga gonna be one of the first to go in Detroit bro that ain't gonna be K ain't gonna be crazy bro who's it gonna be the starting line you don't you don't you don't watch Detroit if you're saying a SAR is the frick like bro what out of your best out of your is our best defender bro so who you gonna get during bro we're getting him bro you're fucking crazy I'm not gonna lie bro you're crazy as fuck bro I'd bro I'd rather bro to look bro I ain't gonna brought I ever you must not you must not what you must have not have seen what a star has done for us the last two years bro two years he has been on the on everybody's best at best player bro and he is fuck bro no because you don't watch Detroit bro because you don't like Detroit so why so why would you watch so why so why would you watch a lot of you're gonna put him behind bro you just you're just you're just gonna talk that shit bro I ain't gonna lie i'm showing I'm showing you numbers bro i'm I'm showing you numbers bro your boy averaged three assists this season but bro you said he can pass the men averaged five or six his little brothers out the playoffs in the first round because they fucking killed because his best players are bitch nigga that's why it had nothing to do with that if K was a bit where he didn't want to play no their best player is KD he's a bitch he didn't want to play the nigga didn't want no smoke LeBron like you text me.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

He didn't want no smoke I want to hear an ankle bruise broke going against a 41 year old shut that shit an ankle bruise bro I bet he did I bet he didn't bruise I bet he did I bet he did fuck out of here bro get out of here stop making excuses for that nigga bro and even in the game he wasn't doing he had eight nine turnovers he didn't do shit he was boxed up by a 41 year old and Marcus Smart Marcus Smart was clamping that nigga bro stop talking bro I wanna hear about Kevin Durant that's why they lost who was no you were talking about Kevin Durant I'm talking about Houston in general they lost name once he said he hurt yeah he hurt I bet he is hurt he had that Marcus Smart treatment he ain't want no more of that he said I'm done take me out coach I'm about to go to another team I'm about to go to the 45th team in five years I want here bro listen you right they in there bro I don't give a fuck about KD I don't give a fuck about Houston a men bro a man's not better than a SAR. Okay bro you can say that we can take a vote as chat GBT I bet that motherfucker saying men chat GBT bro chat I guarantee you say it's harder it's AI I bet the AI know better bro and they gonna know they're gonna tell you AI is gonna be a fact the fact that you think AI knows better is what's ruining our world man it is bro I know bro I hear you I hear you about your boy we're gonna see many we're gonna see when he keeps breaking shots you like this nigga just can't score I know when Kade is eight for 27 and you looking for a nigga to score and he ain't the man to score a nigga missing layups and can't get a jump shot nigga sitting in the paint letting this nigga shoot. We not gonna fuck out of here he's a bump. Offensively not worried about this offensive game bro not at all ever no we just I mean 10 points a game bro come on man fan or no fan bro like you got you gotta realize that bro it's like you should have realized that y'all should have got another fucking player to to compliment K to get you 25 points a game to get you 20 15 on a random you don't have that you know what I'm saying he gonna get tired bro he's gonna get tired that is what Dern was doing this shit bro not 25 bro I'm talking about bro that's what I'm saying but she's off the bench bro not fucking Kevin Heard that's not the answer Kevin Heard that nigga not even playing I only see this nigga in the game he's hurt bro he's been hurt for the last he's been hurt for the last four games bro that's what I'm saying he's bro he's even if he wasn't he wouldn't be doing shit bro yeah probably wouldn't I'm saying y'all just need bro if y'all go get another player at a free agency bro that y'all can win a championship I'm gonna be honest with you if you can get a fucking a player off the bench that gets y'all some points bro or a point or you know what I'm saying like consistently bro not collective bro because when you collective when you on the road collectively they don't show up yeah right Jenkins was struggling at some point at this point you're seeing Ron Holland in the game bro Ron Holland bro it's because okay so so bro okay hear me out bro bro stop hear me out bro we were talking about matchups bro bro Holland played 10 minutes tonight and fucking bro bro did you see the buzzy reader he knocked down from half court I did not he fucking knocked down a half court buzzy reader and I mean bro I mean bro he played good minutes tonight and then Jenkins played he played 28 he played 28 minutes is your best player command he played he played 29 he played 29 he showed that though he showed that yeah 12 points four boards three assists four steals off the bench together he played good in the absence of K bro but it's not you can't rely on that it's not bro come on bro you know this bro we talking about niggas who's like fucking whose bench bro Nash Reed players like that off the bench bro those are certified bona fide coming off the bench you know you know what I'm saying Jenkins struggled a lot through that Orlando series bro but y'all everyone did bro every everybody did on the sides of that series bro because they were saying it was just so defensive clamped up y'all defense is gonna stay out that's one thing that's gonna stick but the offense bro you're not gonna be able to lock down everybody every time at some point you're gonna be able to have to score it's gonna be games where you come against we've seen in every sport in games you're gonna come against when his offense is that good where they're just hitting shots that don't you got to hit your shots. Right? And y'all kind of got exposed in Orlando as far as when Cade ain't hitting it's over. If he's hitting yes but if Cade is not hitting bro y'all offense goes as Cade goes. If he's playing good y'all got a chance to beat anybody. But if he's not y'all might fuck around and get blown up because y'all can't score enough we've seen that bro I'm just being honest with you that goes what I told been telling you all year bro y'all should have did more in a trade during the trade y'all should have got somebody you said something I guarantee y'all take Luke and Arder over Kevin Heard. And he's been fading but I'm just saying a CJ McCullum a player something like that bro who can spark you yeah somebody who I'm saying like bro who ain't you ain't gonna consistently night in night out counting for 25 but out of nowhere this motherfucker dropped 30 on you and then next game drop 25. You know what I'm saying? Like Jenkins is not that guy. It's different in the playoffs bro regular season is different we seen in every fucking dips playoffs is when the dogs come out when niggas is cut that's why I talk all the shit about Cleveland that's why I think y'all gonna beat Cleveland because James Harden is a fucking bunk. He doesn't show up in the playoffs. He doesn't matter what Mitchell does Mitchell's gonna show up Mitchell next game probably dropped 30-35. Mitchell has shown in the past he can show up and score Harden fades as the playoffs goals. Mitchell does not he was playing great against Indiana last year when he got eliminated averaging like 35. We will see you guys next week uh for episode 16 I believe this is crazier thing. And also just a heads up we will be wrapping up uh season one relatively soon and uh moving into a different location different you know what I'm saying area vibe. So yeah um thanks again for watching guys E V D outfit