Episode: 16 Season: 1 NBA Playoffs Round 3

Zach and Dom are excited for the new space this week! The boys are back and live with the NBA Playoffs heating up. Unfortunately for them; both of their teams were knocked out (Pistons and Lakers). You know the action will be brought on this one. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Uh fuck off Steam A, you bitch. Oh shit boys, it's happening. Three, two, one, we live. Alright. ZBD Sports. Back in the new location. Yes, sir. First episode. Been back for a little while, but um, yeah, just getting the new spot set up and everything. Um, just wanted to take a little bit of time to make sure everything looked everything looked perfect the way we wanted it before we came in here, and it's looking solid for sure. Um and yeah, we're a good spot in the NBA, NBA playoffs. Uh conference semis just wrapping up, going into conference finals, and um yeah, only about three weeks until, or I mean not even three, like two weeks until the final start. Um so yeah, it's a good time to good time in the NBA right now for sure. A lot of a lot of I mean the bet the best games of the year right now, for real. Like these aren't these aren't the games that you want to miss out on.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

But uh yeah, let's get up into it, man. We'll dive up in uh second round a little bit, talk about um you know what went down there. Start off with the Western Conference. Yeah, might yeah, might as well start off West.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I mean, probably, I mean the San Antonio T Wolves series was definitely more competitive than the LA OKC series in the West. Um I mean the T Wolves T Wolves took game one, right? T Wolves took game one. They did. Maybe like game three or four or something, yeah. So T Wolves were putting up a good fight. Ant-Man was Ant-Man was looking good, but um that's that Spurs, Spurs offense, Spurs offense and defense, man. Like they had they had what four or three people putting up almost like two people, but Castle and Wendy putting up 20 a game, and then Fox 18, and Harper 15 a game.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Almost seven players double digits. It's classic uh San Antonio basketball. You think about it. Going back to fucking, you know, Tim Duncan and you know, San and uh Tony Parker days and and Greg Pop, that's just you know, they just had a lot of San Antonio basketball.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

I mean, it's it's not even role players at this point. It's just they just got a lot of players that can come in and get the game.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

They don't fucking get a goddamn max contract from the lot. I mean, you know, Harper, for example. Yeah, we was touching on a little bit earlier, but um, yeah, I mean, like that dude's solid. I've all I like this one. I I I remember watching fucking um, I think it was uh can't remember who San Antonio is playing playing against. Um but it was earlier this season, and it was like really the first time or first chance I got to fucking like like watch him, and I'm like, man, I like this dude game a lot. Yeah. Like, bro, just you know, he plays good fucking defense, good passes, great shot selections. And he's fucking, you don't miss layups. Every time he getting that paint, like it is it's good. He's a he's a pretty good shooter, too.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

He's got a nice touch. Yeah. I mean, bro, he's he's got a I mean, I do I he actually had last night's game, him and uh him and Magic are the only rookies to put up 25-5. 20 points, five rebounds, five assists, and five steals in a playoff game. Only him and Magic have done that. So they're not being conversational magic. Yeah, bro. I mean, but but that but like like a lot of those stats that people try and pull up are like kind of like like like like like like the just like just random, like kind of random stats that like you can't really compare to a lot of people, but like a rookie coming into a playoff game, especially at Easter. Or no, because I think it was this the stat might have been conference finals, but I think it was just playoffs overall that a rookie got 25, 5-5. Like that's that's definitely a like that's a defeat. Especially against the team that just won the finals last year and has some of the best guards in the league. Like to go out there and put put up six steals and be the second second leading scorer on the team for them last night. Yeah, and he was playing great last series, too, all series.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

So I mean they do have the best guard in the league, though.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Who?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah, no, wait, Minnesota. Oh no, wait, no. Oh, he said, oh yeah, well, he's yeah. Well, some of the best guards, so my bad. I took I think I took it a little too literal. Because I'm like, I'm thinking of who are you saying has the best guards? Well, I was thinking you were saying like like a combo. You know what I'm saying? Like I thought you were saying like like some of the best guards as far as like fucking Ant-Man and D Vincenzo. So that's why I was like, wait, hold on, you know what I mean? Like one, yes, is one of the best guards, but the other, but I it was just, you know, miscommunication. But yeah, and I was a guess on one of but you know, man, like you know, like I was saying before, bro, like nothing towards Ant, man. You know what I'm saying? Nothing at all, bro. But I just don't he shoots bad a lot, man. Like he in that series, he didn't shoot horrible, but I did look um at his playoff percentages, and granted he did get hurt, but like he was shooting fucking a total of 43% from the field.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

When they got to the conference finals the last few years, I mean, yeah. I believe this in general this year now, but yeah. Every year he was shooting a good amount better. Like, but I mean, but then it's bro, this Spurs, this Spurs defense, man, like it's been it's kind of it's kind of been this, it's kind of like especially when Wemby's in the team, bro. It's it's kind of been their thing all year. Bro, but I'm my thing is like if you one of those guys, bro.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

If you one of those guys, like like I said, you know, I you know, you know, I'm fucking my boy, you know what I'm saying, Luca, and like, you know, and not even just you know what I'm saying, like the compare or anything like that, bro. But like when you like one of them niggas that's like when you cut like that, like you can go get a bucket on whoever's right, like you might shoot fucking five for 18, but you still dropping third, especially in an elimination game, like, you know, to have him score or to shoot his bad, but also you know, it's hard because fucking he really don't have the best like supporting cast. You know what I'm saying? Jay McDaniels is like that was crazy the performance he put up against Denver. If you ask me, like that was you mean to average what he did against Denver, bro, like that's crazy because like I just didn't see that coming with him, especially after he went out and said nobody on the team could play defense and then proceeded to drop 30 on the ass. So I'm like, okay, you know, but then bro laid an egg, right? Laid an egg, or either he laid an egg or he showed you what he really is by averaging 13, 14 points a game. And that's serious, especially when you are, in my opinion, arguably, not supposed to be, not on paper, but like you arguably, you know, the second best player on that team. And then, you know, it leaves me to fucking Randall, which you know, like I said, they should trade that nigga, man. They should get what they can get from him, bro. Because he's what, 29, 30, if not already 30. He's not gonna get better. If anything, you know what I'm saying? He's gonna fucking become more injured, right? Injured, right? So it's not like out of nowhere, like he's gonna go have this spectacular season.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

It's happened before, but I just don't he's been in the league for a while at this point. I'm like, I feel like Minnesota's gotten two Eastern Cups, like they've gotten a few pretty good runs out of him. Yeah, but I mean, I just think, bro. And like you, and like you come across this this way.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

I just don't think the better fit in a game. I think Cat was a better fit. We had talked about this before. I was like, I think they should have never traded those two. I think they were in a fucking rush, they hit the panic button, and they're like, we gotta do something. Right? We know that Ant-Man is off limits, we're not fucking right. Everybody else is, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Well, bro, because I feel like for like for us, for a for a minute, it was working out for Minnesota, bro. I mean, I guess you can say I feel like it was work, like, because who did who did they call they came across OKC last year and fucking Dallas the year before?

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Yeah, but if you think about it, bro, the year they came across Dallas, they had a number one seed in the NBA. You know who they had on their team? Carl Anthony Thomas. Oh, okay. Well, so they were like 60 and 22 or something like they had a number one fucking record in the West. And they traded for him after, you know, losing to a, I think, a fifth seed. Yes, they lost to a fifth seed because Dallas was, they played the Clippers the first round. Clippers were a four seed, Dallas a five seed, Dallas beat them, then beat OKC, then beat fucking Minnesota. But I think, um, I think after that, they're like, we gotta figure out something. Like, we're on the edge of, you know, getting to the finals and just I mean, yeah, just trading.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

We gotta do that. And just trading away a seven-footer who can shoot and realistically he can play pretty good defense on on really like really every like he like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Yeah. I mean, in my opinion, bro, there in every aspect, he's he's younger too. He's better in every aspect. He's a better shooter. He's a fuck he he's a better fucking shooter. He's better in the paint. He just doesn't like to go in the paint. But when Kat goes in the paint, because of his length, because of his skill set, he can score. Defender, I'm gonna go with Kat. The only thing that I'm I'm hesitant is because Kat gets into foul trouble a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like that's his only downside as far as defensively or really realistic. He's not aggressive enough, and also he gets in foul trouble. Right? I could say that, yeah. And so, but he makes his fucking, he's a better free throw shooter than Randall. He's a better, like I said, three-point shooter, better ball handle, and I think he's a better passer. I think he's a better passer.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Ball handler, yeah, I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Cat's bro, if Kat was more aggressive, he could average like fucking 30, bro. If he really, if he really wanted to, bro, if he w if he had the mindset of fucking Embiid or Jokic or one of those, like, bro, that nigga can, I think in my opinion, in my opinion, he can average, he has a skill set that, bro, because I'm just looking like you look go back, you look at how he played his first fucking couple years in San Antonio, I mean I said, but Minnesota, um, the second year he averaged 24 points a game. You know, coming out second year, you know, averaging 24 and 12 and playing for Kentucky, I'm like, Rose's gonna be like, you know what I'm saying, the next best, whatever, but he just never he didn't have that aggression, and it just never fucking he never has, bro. Right, and that's and that's the thing, is like that's his downside. Yeah. Certain players, if Paul George is another one. You know, kind of going off topic as far as those teams, but Paul George is another one that has the fucking the goddamn skill set. I mean, I was gonna say, bro, we have Paul George's name down here. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, for right now.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

But um, yeah, he, bro, you you watch Paul George's game, bro, he has a skill set. He should kill him. I mean, you look at you know, maybe it's that.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

I mean, but just the the fact that Kat is seven foot and and and he and and he is he is talented, bro. He he I mean he does have a he does have a high like he does have a high high special.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

But Paul George is six, eight, six, nine, and can handle the ball and move the way he does. Like, you know, think six, nine, like, bro, you're three, four inches away from seven feet. That's not really a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you're standing next to a person that's two, three inches taller than you, sometimes you gotta have them motherfuckers turn their back to each other, right? So you can really measure it. So that's what I'm saying. Like, that skill set that he has, bro, to be able to move the way he does, and it's just you know, the same with cat, like cat, like this is an aggression, they don't have that aggression, but um, yeah, uh, we w we went from fucking.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

I mean, no, I mean we're just we're still we're still still in this fucking just I mean we just got into talking about Julius and Kat. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean so really like T-Wolves fucking T I mean T-Wolves have a lot of young players they can build around still. Like they I mean they traded for Ayodesumu and they saw and and they saw what he could do in a playoff game, putting up 40. Fucking they and they and they and they still have they still have their guy that they're fucking they're up that they're never like they're never gonna trade. Jaden McDaniels is definitely like definitely gonna be there. It'll be see if they can do something with Julius. See if they see if they trade him this year and get something better for him now, or if they try and hold on. But yeah, I mean, after that game one, San Antonio looked pretty, looked pretty um fucking. I mean, there there wasn't like I mean the T Wolves won one more game, but like I feel like all all the games that the Spurs won were were blowouts like it wasn't it wasn't a question. No, yeah. Well, because the the other uh the other one that um or it I can't remember if it might I think it was game one, or but if it wasn't, then it was the other game that the no no I think it was game four, three, or whatever, when the T Wolves won their second game, Wemby got ejected for that um for that elbow. You remember? Yeah, I'm pretty I think it was game four, dude, because I think San Antonio was up 2-1, Minnesota tied to 2-2, and then San Antonio won the next two. So if Wemby's in that game's in that game four, San Antonio probably wins. Yeah, they probably won 4-1. But um, yeah, so we'll talk about San Antonio a little bit more in the more in the episode, um, as they reach to play OKC in the conference finals.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Oh man, I gotta before we move on now, I gotta say I'm I was uh quite surprised that Minnesota was able to pull it off against Denver. Uh just touching on that, I just you know, just it's gonna say it real quick. That's the issue more understanding.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

It didn't really look like Denver had truck. They had a problem. They just didn't really look like they were it just didn't really look like they had as much effort, I feel like, going into it. Like just as much intensity, bro, I mean McDaniels wasn't laughing.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

I mean laughing, but he wasn't lying uh when he said nobody. I mean, you look at Murray, no Braun, no fucking Aaron Gordon, miss. He wasn't helping. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then you have Watson and Jokic. So and then whoever else, Hardaway on the bench, and then Bruce Brown, like they didn't have yeah, they didn't have no defense. But it's just crazy when no Ant-Man, um, way Minnesota's able to kind of dismantle Denver. Like that kind of surprised me. But also as far as like Denver needs, or they're gonna lose Jokic. I feel I mean, I just at some point, you know, I don't he's or you know, you already hinted kind of retiring early before. But like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, like, you mean you you watch when bro plays, like it's like he got like no emotion for the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, he just like it's easy for him, but I just you know, but also like Denver hasn't done anything significant um as far as like bringing a player in or anything like that since they won a championship. Ever since they've been complacent, yeah, you know, similar to Milwaukee. Milwaukee tried to Lilly.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

They've just kept the they've kept the same team for the most part. They fired they fired their coach. Which which they which they won with. Like, so I don't know. So I yeah, I don't think. I think that was a mistake. I don't think that helps Jokic fucking I just want to they just want to be in Denver as much just because he doesn't have Mike Malone who was there when he won the championship. So but um yeah, I mean it'll it'll be interesting to see what happens there. Yeah, because I mean I just wanted to mention that real quick. Yeah, because I mean I mean like just I mean just going into going into next year, the West is gonna be just as competitive as it was this year. And I mean going into the playoffs, Nuggets were still a three seed or four seed. So like like like in in the regular season, they were they were really good, but just kind of fell apart a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, they're one of them teams that can beat anybody, but also just lose to anybody. As I said, they they can beat anybody but lose to anybody, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Like they can go out there and they've also came across Minnesota a few times in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

So And they get some kind of rivalry going on with there. Minnesota's bested them two out of uh three times. And you know, I think you know, if Denver's to play, you know, OKC um or San Antonio, I think both of them would beat them, but I think Denver would be in a lot of those games. Right. I think Denver would be at I just because of Jokic, right? Because of him being as good as he is, but that's what I'm saying. Like they weren't, I don't know, only the last game they got blew out um when McDaniel was in off, but a lot of those games, Denver was in those games up until you know the last couple minutes when they kind of stretched really, but Denver was in five or four or other striking distance, right? They were, but the defense was that bad, you know what I'm saying, that they they couldn't overcome that. But you know what I mean. I think they they and you look in the regular season, they played good against Denver and OKC. Yeah. Like they you mean, like you're not it's hard to blow out Denver. But you may beat them.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

I I mean because uh like a few weeks ago before um for Minnesota beat San Antonio, I was I was talking ahead a little bit, assuming that um Denver was that Denver was gonna win, and I wanted to see Jokic and Wemby play against each other because I I mean I thought that would be the matchup of the playoffs, seeing reigning MVP going up against fucking two-time deposit seven like I mean that's a fucking that's a matchup, bro. Like if anybody's gonna stop Jokic, and like if anybody's gonna make him shoot bad, it'll be Wemby.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Well, that's what we thought. And then uh Rudy Gobert kind of did that. He didn't really shoot. I mean he's still average fucking 27.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

He definitely wasn't he wasn't as efficient as he was, though.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

No, but I think that's all on and someone that is on his teammates not being as efficient, so more like he's not that that type of player. Like he's a pass first big man, bro. But because he has great footwork and because he has high IQ, he's able to score. But he's a he's a fucking like a a point guard in a big man's body. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like he's not looking to score. He scores when he has to. Right, like that's you know, like that's he scores when he has to, but if you're gonna count on Jokic to be like a a fucking damn Shay or a fucking, you know what I mean, Giannis as far as like score first every time, or Luca. I mean Luca's a great passer, but he's looking for a shot first. You know what I mean? Then it's too, I guess it depends, but you know what I mean like it he's just not that type of or like Joel and beat. You know what I mean? Like, I just he scores because he's that talented and because he has IQ, in my opinion. You know what I'm saying? He's not really that aggressive offensively unless he has to. Alright, bro.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Let's let's slide over into this OKC Lakers series, bro. Not a not a ton to talk about, but I mean, AJ Mitchell was a surprise in this series for sure. Putting up over over 20 a game. That's crazy. He was yeah, he was giving you all he was giving you on buckets. Shea, I mean, he didn't wasn't putting up as much as he was. He was five five points short of what he was putting up in the regular season.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

I'll give credit to Marcus Smart and uh fucking JJ Redding, whatever. Um Lakers strategy, because they kind of took even though he averaged the most, but like SGA, like he had to he had to fight to get that that 22-23 every game. Especially the first game, um, when LA was all was, you know, in the game most of the game. Shit had like fucking nine, twelve points at the start of the fourth quarter, finished for like seventeen. You know what I mean? Like, so they just the others, like, you know what I mean, AJ Mitchell got off and Chet. Chet and Yeah, you know, and they shot good as far as three, two. You know, fucking K sound and and they're a menace on defense. You know, okay. And I knew we know with Luca. Didn't have a chance. It was always gonna be a sweep, but I mean brother Bro, whoa, whoa. I'm not gonna say that. Calm down, brother. We're not calm down, Zach. Don't do that. We're not don't say it's gonna be a sweep if Luca was there. There's no way that we wouldn't have got one or two of them games. You fucking crazy, bro. I'm just saying without Luca. Oh, okay, my bad. No, no, okay. I thought you said with Luca would have been it probably would have swept sweep in him like, whoa. Come on, man. You guys probably would have taken one or two of them, but you can't never doubt players like man, the greatness of players. It's the same with like fucking uh like really any sport, bro. I guess I mean like you know, I don't really watch soccer, but you do. You know what I'm saying? But like when you have that type of player, that generational type, that's that type, you know what I mean, like it's almost you st you believe, right? They have a chance, they always have a chance.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

You know what I'm saying? Like anything can go wrong, like anything can anything can happen. You know what I'm saying? And then you got that that and he's getting say that player is getting the fuck off. You know what I'm saying? Like he's just playing at like it's just and you gotta pay attention to him. You gotta guard him. And the next thing you know, this player is open. This you know what I'm saying, like I don't know. I I just think we, you know, when you gotta sign, I don't, I don't think, you know, LA would've won that series, but when you gotta play as bad as Shay, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Shea didn't play that good, so they had a chance. I do get what you mean, bro. The whole the whole season, Luca was fucking he was leading scorer all year, and you know he's getting his assists as well. So yeah, if you have yeah, if you have a player of that game. They were playing good, and they they just got around. LA was playing good. Manforce in this kind of leaps back right in and Brown was still putting up 23, 6, and six. I don't even think they played, I don't even think they played fucking 30 games together, bro. I was gonna say about that. Rui was shooting his best from 30 as all playoffs, bro. He was putting it around. He was putting up 20, 20 a game, 55% from I mean the Lakers still had three players that were putting up 20 plus points a game. So just imagine this, though. Or just think about this, bro. If Luca was there, I know you guys are definitely in a chance.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Well, not even that, but just those, they never really got a chance to fucking build chemistry, really, bro. Like, they played, I don't even think they played fucking four 30, 40 games together. Luca, Reeves, and Braun on the court together. Like, every time we say in the beginning of the season, LeBron wasn't playing. It was Luca and Reeves. And then Luca got hurt, Reeves got the plan good, he dropped that 50-point game, LeBron comes back, then Luca comes back, and then Austin Reeves gets hurt gets hurt again. And then he's out for a little bit, and then he comes back, and then Luca gets hurt. That's that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what I'm saying, bro. Like, and Reeves missed a good portion of the season this year. Like he was in and out of games, LeBron was in, obviously, because of you know age and shit like that. Um, and Luca in a couple games, but like they never really got that to get to jail. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just thinking, like, you know, when you have that three-headed, that monster, you know, anything, especially the way LeBron was playing, you know, in the first round against Houston. You know, I mean, like, if he has Luca and a healthy Reeves, like you gotta think Reeves didn't play any game in that Houston series, I don't think. Maybe I think play one. Yeah, I think I think he might have played the last or the last two. Okay, yeah. Either one. Or one or two. I don't even know. I can't remember. But he was uh he's coming back after missing a month, so they're gonna be patient, right? So I'm like going into the playoffs, right? The way LA was playing, you know, they're on a 12-game win streak, lost a couple, and then won eight in a row again after that. Then Luca or Reeves gets hurt, and then a gate a day, a game later, Luca gets hurt. So they lose both of them, right? So like going to the playoffs, you have both of them three, like, even if Durant plays, it's probably winning the sweep. But, you know, it is what it is. OKC, I expected him to do what they did. You know, but also you gotta we we can't forget J Dub didn't play either in that series. And that's a difference. We see that and you know, what we're gonna touch into later as far as the San Antonio and and fucking OC OKC game first game back after missing a little over, I think, a month and he dropped 26. Yeah. He looked good.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

He looked like he didn't he didn't miss it. He definitely did, bro. He you he still had an effective game in San Antonio last night for sure. Yeah, he did. Especially for being his first game back, and he played fucking over like like 40 minutes for sure. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so yeah, double.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

And that shows me like he he probably could if that LA series, you know, and that if if Luca was playing, or they are maybe Jay Doug is back in game two or three, right in that series. But they knew that they were gonna I mean like they they had no reason to fucking rush him.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

They didn't need him yet, bro.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Right, you know what I'm saying? They were up two nothing and three nothing and four and like it's over. You know what I'm saying? Once they especially once went up three.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

And then he had damn near a week to rest, too. So so so he he's really had or did he play he didn't play the first round either, did he? He played for two. I think two games.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Yeah. So he missed almost a month. You know what I'm saying? Almost a month. But you know, it probably would have been different if, you know, say if LA would have won those two games at home and it's 2-2 going back to OKC. I think he would have been on the on a report is questionable. Right? They probably would have waited. But if someone, you know, but they were expecting him to to beat them anyway. So I kind of knew J Dub was gonna play. And it showed last night, because you know, they he played damn near 40 minutes, I think. Yeah. If not when, and you know, he looked good. But also I did notice um when we're when I was watching that game, one of the commentators, I think it was Reggie Miller, had noted or had pointed out that he was kind of tugging on his right calf or hamstring. So that's something, and that was the one. That's not the one that he aggravated, it's the one that he aggravated before. And I know when you know what I'm saying, you aggravate one leg or you mean you pull a hamstring or whatever, you're using that other leg way more. Right? So you know, so you put more fucking stress on that leg, and then that leg's already not even 100%, and then now you come back and you're playing full, you mean? So that's I think that's something to watch for moving forward in the series. Because I, you know, if he doesn't play, I don't think they can beat him. You know, I said previously before, uh, I think I got OKC. I I do have an OKC in the series, but I don't I think if J Dub misses two or three games, I don't think OKC OKC gonna win. You know, unless Shay goes fucking crazy. Unless he just San Antonio's just got too much offense, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Too many too many to hit you with. And I mean, OKC's got really really good defense too, but if you take uh J Dub, I mean he's one of their best defenders. And I mean, I just it's just tough, bro, because yeah, you have Chet. You have Chet and Isaiah Harkenstein, which are two which are two great defenders down there, especially Chet. But Wemby is I mean, Wemby's Wemby's kind of taking this series personal. He's got a personal fucking vendetta against Chet. Um he does not want like I mean he I know he doesn't want to lose in playoff series to Chet. Especially when I mean he was taking last night personal with Shea getting the MvP award right before that game. Like he was, yeah, he he wanted to let the league know that he was the fucking bro, for I mean, yo, I I think I think he's the youngest to put up 40 and 20 in a playoff game, so yeah, he was he was getting it all. He had the best game of like I mean I mean granted it was in double overtime, so he had an extra 10 minutes to do it, but still to put up to put up 40 and 20 is crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Nothing, you know, surprising to me out of that series at all. Um so I think you know, we should just go on to fucking just I guess yeah, start over with another series that start over with or start over the years. Yeah, just go over to the Easter Club. With another series that's kind of similar to what uh we seen with the Lakers with the Lakers.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Yeah, but the only difference is they had kind of all their yeah, both I was gonna say both teams, except I think OG got hurt like game two or three. I think he was healthy for like the first two, and then now he got hurt in game three. But he missed game one. It got beat did miss game one, but he was healthy the rest of it. Yeah. So um, yeah, but for not I I was not expecting Sixers to get beat for nothing, especially the way that they played the Celtics. Um, I mean they they were down 3-1 against the Celtics and then pulled three in a row, so they definitely had some momentum going into that to that Knicks series, but I mean the Knicks I mean just got I mean just so hot offensively. They they had a lot of I mean, just look at I mean Bronson was putting up he was putting up almost 30 a game. So he was he was 20 eight and six. Nobody was stopping him. They had I mean Kat was putting up 16, 8, and 8. So he was he was facilitating and Brunson when you got Kat putting up almost a triple-double and Bronson putting up damn near 30 a game. There's tough six yeah, the Sixers, Sixers weren't really playing a ton of defense. Matt, like, and and the Nick and the Knicks defense was also shutting them down pretty well, too. Like the Sixers didn't have one player that was putting over 20 a game, so no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

I mean, that was a big thing. MB, you know, same thing, wasn't healthy. I think he just no play because he definitely wasn't 100%.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

But I feel like you gotta have like Maxie only putting up 18 a game in this series definitely was a bit surprising to me. I would I would I would think Maxie goes for at least 25. Like, I like because that's like I feel like at this point Maxie is like, I mean, Joel is like, of course, Joel is the like I I mean I feel like at this point Maxie's probably the face of the team, bro. Because just because M B's been there for a while, but he's kind of like wouldn't say he's washed, but he's he's just dealing, he's just always dealing through injuries, man. Like he's like he's been the MVP, so it's like like he like like they know how good he is, but it's just whether he can be out there or not. And Tyrese is like like I mean he's doesn't really have very many, like, very many injury his like very much injury history. Max here and there. Four, five, six games here, or nothing I feel like for the most part, yeah. You gotta you gotta trust him and fucking make sure he's shooting at least 15-20 shots a game, and like even if he's if he's shooting bad, like you just get he's he's just gonna know that he has the green light. And I don't know. I mean it was it's tough because I mean they had some other players putting up points too. Ubre was putting up um 16, Paul George, 15, V and VJ Edgecomb being a rookie this year, also putting up 12, like V like V VJ Edgecomb, top like he was I wouldn't I was gonna say top three, but probably like a top five rookie. Top five rookie this year. He was he was solid for sure. Top three. You sound like our third best rookie. We got him Coop Conan and Cooper Conn.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

I don't know who what other rookie um players go as Edgecomb and then Edgecombe play fucking Dylan Harper. Yeah. I still gotta get a nod to Edgecombe just because he's a starting. Yeah, he was he was he would he was on a better team. Yeah. Edgecombe fucking a little bit better. I mean, it's it's not only okay, just because of the inconsistency from Paul George, I mean we've seen points in the first game.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

He was also out for 25 games in the regular season for uh for a gambling show or or art. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't gambling, it was it was something else.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Tested positive for something. Yeah when he had like a random drug test.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

I don't know, it wasn't yeah. But then he was out for 25 games for that. So I mean, but it really matters I was yeah, it doesn't. They got their ass swept. I mean, it's just you know bro, and that game four, man, in Philly, oh that they fucking they beat him by fucking almost like 40. Yeah, they did what they did. They were up by Atlanta.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

They were up by the same thing in Atlanta, it's great. They went in Atlanta and popped them by 60 at one point.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

I mean, bro, I mean crazy I mean it was bro, the fact that New York had as many fans as they did in Philly was like, bro, like they they had they traveled. It was probably yeah, it was probably like 50-50, bro. And like, especially Philly being as much of a sports town as it is, like, how is Philly gonna let their fucking arena get invaded with fucking orange and green, bro? Yeah. Or or fucking uh blue and yeah, blue and orange. Yeah, orange and green, I'm tripping. Yeah, blue and orange.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah. Although I do think they're kind of more of a more of a fucking football. Right, like as of what yeah, yeah, I think I think you know, I think if it was like playoffs in NFL, bro, I don't think there's no way it's gonna be way more Philly fans.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Philly fans are gonna be able to do that. I mean you got Jalen Hurts for the Eagles. They fucking fucking Eagles fans harder, yeah, bro. And worse. I fucking hate that. I mean, I mean the fucking the Eagles definitely got fucking good at that.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

They won a Super Bowl two years ago, won the Super Bowl four or five years before that. Got Nick Siri on his bitch ass is fucking barely lost to fucking Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl, so they've been to three Super Bowls in the last fucking like seven, eight years. So so that's one, two.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

They're just saying fuck you to the Sixers. They're Eagles fans, they're not Sixers fans. I mean, yeah, I mean, they're asking swept for nothing by New York. They're fucking, yeah. I mean, bro, what did I think Josh Hart said to the uh Josh Hart said after game four, he said, is uh is Philly even a sports town anymore?

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Yeah, yeah. Maybe not basketball. They won't say that in football. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Especially nobody in New York.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

They may have a little nice little uprising coming, but you know, right now, they can't fucking they can't say that, you know, and even even fucking um I guess you know, baseball is kind of close with that.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

But I mean the fit I mean the Phillies have been a lot of conversation for the I mean the last like like I mean I feel like ever since they've had like Schwarbert and Bryce Harper, you know, um and the Yankees have fallen short.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Mets suck. So yeah, I mean, yeah. So I mean if basketballs have been bat this year, and Knicks, you know what I'm saying? They they finally getting over, I guess, a hump, or you know, it's been 51 years since they won a fucking championship.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

So fucking if they win a championship, dude, the fucking crazy streets of New York, you're fucking gonna be gonna be in a riot, bro.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

That's it. You're gonna see some wild ass shit on TikTok or fucking Instagram, Facebook, Reels, any of that shit. Like you're gonna see hella fucking crazy shit. They win a fucking championship, bro. Like might have to pull up to New York, bro. Shit. Man, that's yeah, maybe I'm man. What's up? They wildin' now, they partying for weeks. I'm telling you, party partying, they talking so much shit, bro.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

It's funny, especially it wouldn't even matter who they beat, bro. If they beat fucking San Antonio, they're talking all that shit how they beat Wemby. And if they if they beat OKC, they're talking all that shit about how they beat the two-time MVP. Yeah. So it's either way, yeah. Yeah, reigning champs and fucking Shay. Everybody fucking hates Shay in that bitch, bro. If fucking Shay goes down to New York this year, what? I mean, so we'll go what's I mean, yeah. We're kind of we'll go into this next series a little bit. Because Knicks, yeah, Knicks 4-0 over sixers, playing. Not enough offense for Phillips. Um their defense, man. If their defense wasn't, I mean, bro, they were letting up 120 plus a game for like three of them, I think.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

I mean, they're they're loaded, dude. They offense.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

They got an they got nice offense, and the fact that the fact that, bro, I was telling, I can't remember who I was saying this to, but I think this is their first playoff without Tom Thibodeau, right? This is their first playoff run with Mike Brown. And so Mike Brown's not fucking playing those starters like fucking like like super heavy, super heavy minutes like Tom Thibodeau was, and they got it, like they got a decent bench. Miles or I think Miles McBride was starting a little bit because OG Ananobi was hurt. But usually usually McBride's off the bench, uh Clarkson's off the bench, uh Robinson's off the bench. Yeah, Mitch Mitch Robinson usually is off the bench. Um those three goals right here. Uh Shamel is going off tonight. Yep. Uh I feel like I got one or two that I might be missing, or like maybe one. But so I mean, like, just I mean, just the fact that they blew out the Sixers 4-0 and that, and not a ton of the games were super close. So I don't think Brunson had to play super like super crazy minutes. Where you go look at the last like the last two or three years in the last like in the conference seminars, conference final when they have to play over 40 minutes, when it like their whole team is just playing crazy minutes because Thibodeau just didn't want to use the bench. Like yeah, so I was I was I was looking at that a bit, um, just in especially in this like this Sixer series, the fact that the Knicks starters barely had to play over tw over 30 minutes in any of the games. And game four, I don't think any of them had to play over 25 because they were just killing them. So I don't know, we'll see in this um we'll see in this series against Cleveland if um if Cleveland's defense can slow them down a little bit. Um but uh yeah Cleveland 4-3 over Detroit, man. It's a tough tough way to end the season, bro. Yeah I mean this was the I mean this was the closest fucking semi or the closest yeah conference semi series. Only one that went to seven. Um hard fossil series by both teams for sure. Um both, yeah. I mean, game that I went to unfortunately at home, Cavs beat us the first game that they won on the road, of course. Um up by up by nine points last two minutes or last two thirty. Tough pill to swallow. Yeah, I mean that's that's the way that's the way the game goes. It's a game of runs, and you have to you have to be able to put up points in crunch time. So um yeah, I mean the fact the fact that it went to OT. Um just couldn't just couldn't close it out. I think Don like cause I mean Donovan Donovan was clutch when he had to be in this series for sure. And so so is so it was hard and unfortunately, as much as I don't want to say it. Um he was just because I mean he he had a he he had a few games like he might have had like only like two games where he didn't even put up 10. But he beat it like three. I think the game that I I think the game that I saw him play, I think he put up like 29, he almost had 30. So he had he had a few games over 20, ended up averaging 20 over this over the series, which was solid, but I mean they're big men. Mobley 16 and uh Allen 15, and Mobley Mobley also got three blocks a game over all seven. So that was that was big. Um I think their their interior defense was definitely I think definitely caught us, caught up to us a little bit later into the series. Um but that's also I think that's just also us not being as I mean that's I mean Duran. I think we all know you all know what he was on, man. Just that shit was just all I mean yeah, I was on something. Oh yeah, wow. It was it was it was it was tough to watch him play, man, because I mean the whole the whole season it was like just kind of what we're talking about with Kat earlier, like just that fucking um just that aggression, like right, like he like he like he was getting the like he was that I mean the pick and roll with him and Kate all season was he was getting separation off that and then he was just a line bro. Yeah, but I mean so I mean like the pick and roll is just one like one example of it. I mean, bro, he can like he like he can he can get the ball and fucking like just make his own space and get to the rim. Like he was doing that all season putting up like putting up 20 a game. So I mean he had he had bro he had a five game stretch where he was putting up 30 a game like he like he was he was he was creating his own offense. He was like he was like he was shooting like eight to ten like eight to ten free throws some game like like he was he was he was getting he was getting down low in the paint but I mean just come just come the playoffs yeah that the aggression just wasn't there um and it was it was hard to see he was just getting benched in the paint man it was it was it was tough but I mean that that's I mean that's kind of what you see in the playoffs though it's like you gotta be able to hit you gotta be able to hit shots really it's like who like you I mean yeah like the the the the big men definitely have a big part to do in the in it for sure but I mean what we're seeing bro Mitchell was putting up 28 Harden was putting up 28 and Kate was putting up 24 so all all three of the leading scorers in the series are all guards like like I mean like you de like like you you you gotta you gotta be able to make the clutch shots is really it and like in a lot of like a lot of these Pistons Cavs games as well the the three point shooting was was able to take games over a little bit as well like in that game that I saw as well Max Struess being sixth for eight from three like off the bench like that's that's a huge boost to them. Yeah I mean we I mean we didn't have anybody I mean we had Cade going for 24 Tobias going for 15 and Duncan going for 14 like I we might have had a few people a few other people going over 10 but the fact that we only had one per one other person at 15 was like like we we need somebody else to be going for 20 like like we we need another 20 point score especially against the especially against the Cavs like I mean the Cavs are a solid defensive team for sure but I don't know I I mean I mean Durant Durren's gotta pack the lane bro I'm gonna tell you look that's the problem man look that's why he has to uh develop a jump shot or I mean he does he does he he doesn't have a fast jump shistonally yeah it's just gotta you know it's just gotta get it going it reminds me of when Toronto won a championship and they played against Giannis and Milwaukee had the best record that year and they packed the lane against Giannis but this is before Drew Holiday this is before uh I don't think I don't think they they they might have had a club but they didn't have a a few players that they had when they won a championship a couple years later but they didn't have those shooters or those players that can knock down shots when Giannis got in the paint and had to kick it out right because I mean no matter how good you are bro and that's what I was kind of sorry saying to you earlier when it's a seven game series when you're planning against this team with both of our series with the seven two is tough and you have two long defenders and Jared Allen and Evan Mobley and you know Durin you know yes he's a good free throw shooter uh for a size but he's not gonna consistently knock Donald's 10 to 15 foot jumpers and that gets them out of the paint they know what he wants to do no matter if it's pick and roll no matter they're just gonna switch and rotate their defense and hands up and and put three four people and have him and y'all don't have you know not y'all not the best you know three point shooting team definitely not I mean right so you don't have that consistent threat on the outside don't or consistent threats where it's like you know okay we pack the lane we throw it out kick it out you know Kate is a great as great as Kate is he's he's not a you know I think last year when we had Beasley I think Beasley I was thinking exactly he's a that's that's a show I mean the fact the fact that he was coming off the bench for us last year it's like we we got Duncan this year and like Duncan Duncan is definitely I mean he's he's definitely a good shooter for sure but tremendous yeah he is and Beasley to me is a better shooter I feel like he's like he spaces up the floor decently well but he's the fact that he's such a liability on offense and like and and and the and the offense a better defender. Yeah and the and the and the offen or the defense is there's n knows what Duncan wants to do. Unless somebody else is gaining all the all the attraction on offense and we can kick an open lookout to Duncan that's the only way that he's gonna really get an open look because the defense really does know what he like they know what he wants to do. So I mean he he was playing better in this Cav series than he was in the Magic series because the magic did match up better with us overall um and like our shooting really got exposed in that series like fucking nobody was putting up anything except Cade. Cade was our whole like Cade was putting up like damn near like maybe 30 over like I think he was putting up 30 plus like over the whole series against the Magic because he had Tobias played that too though I think Tobias had Tobias had 20 again but I don't think we had anybody else over 15. We might have had one I don't know no I mean we probably didn't because Duncan wasn't playing good Durham wasn't playing goodsar wasn't putting up more than 15 right like he probably wasn't putting up more than 10 Jenkins wasn't like we was literally Cade for 30 plus and Tobias for 20 plus was the only reason we got past Orlando and Franz not being there broke that's a set that's a that's a consistent 16 or 20 a game from him every game.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

But I mean the last he played he put that dagger in y'all heart to go up 3-1. Right he the last time we see him on the floor against y'all is when he hit he hit that tough three with a minute something chains left to go it was a four-point game and then made it a seven point game. You know what I'm saying then he had come he had an ankle injury then he didn't play again for the rest of that series that's what I'm saying like y'all can't I'm I'm not saying you know that y'all wouldn't have won but that makes a big that's the second best player is the like I mean and you know he's he's far from a bump.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

You know what I'm saying like for him he's he's you know he's way better than what the fuck I ever thought he was gonna be in the NBA I watched him in college bro and I fucking he was tough bro he was he was he was probably like he wasn't I'm trying to fucking think who I think uh Mo or trying to even think who was on the Michigan team with him but I don't think he was even the best player on the Michigan team I feel like there was somebody better than him bro I just can't think I feel like in college his brother was better than him overall in college Moritz Moritz Wagner he was a problem for y'all in college I think it was a fucking problem I don't think they played together though that's what I'm saying like in overall I feel like overall like he had a better collegiate career or he was better in college than Franz was I heard more about Moritz Wagner than I did Franz Wagner and then you know he got to the NBA I think I think I think Mo Wagner's game just doesn't really translate to the NBA at least bro you get him on you get him on Germany he's the That's what I'm saying so they Moag's Moag's gonna make college he's he started he starts at the five for Germany you know like in all their feet like all their World Cup like all that FIVA international stuff fucking Dennis shooter Mo Wagner or and uh Franz I don't I don't know the other two but I know that's three of their five starters yeah and that's just that shit's tough bro I ain't gonna lie bro Dennis shooter facilitating bro they're not beating you know I mean I bro I mean bro when did or they won it they won it a like not very re or not that long ago like it was against Team USA was it in like it was probably like before 2020 I think okay I don't think it wasn't it Canada's good now yeah can I mean Canada's good fucking France is up there bear yeah France yeah France is really good yeah um and fucking the one team that uh Jokic plays for Serbian yeah Serbia's yeah or because they I feel like they got a few other or is Bogdanovich Serbian I think so yeah I think I think he is not um the Dudolf Clippers or not Bogdanovich that's what I mean yeah uh but yeah man so it kind of yeah kind of kind of wraps up Cleveland Detroit a little bit tough way to go out for fucking Detroit for this season but I know they got it first man yeah it'll be it'll be no fucking it'll be interesting to see if you can't get a star player this summer or something close to it and then you gotta you know get a fucking um player off that bench that you know can sit or run a couple knockdown shooters.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

Either way go you gotta get K you know some help you gotta give him some a player that another player didn't create their own shot. Right? That's just really what it is like they don't have that player at all.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

You got Dennis Jenkins he he can't create his own shot but he he's good you know but he's not a fucking he's not certified yet no you mean he's not yeah he he he I mean he's he's he's gotta he's gotta prove himself a little bit and he's gotta I mean yeah I mean because he I mean he wasn't in the starting lineup at all with Kane this year like during the regular six man or like we we think of like who I don't even know who the fuck won a six man award this year. Coming off the top of my head I can't yeah I can't even think I can't think but you know a good six man you know Harper great six man coming off the bench Caruso good six manuso yeah um you know you got Norman Powell uh you gotta he's not I feel like I feel like Norman Powell is starting this year maybe but I mean he's known more from every everywhere else he's been he's been off the bench you know so he's like he's normally off the fucking bench wasn't uh wasn't Nikhil Alexander watched when he did he come off the bench no I think he was he started I mean he might have been coming off the bench a little bit but I feel like he was starting a bit once he got to Atlanta because he didn't start the season with Atlanta did he I feel like he got picked up in the or maybe he still maybe he did maybe he got traded in the offseason yeah I feel like he was starting to the whole time at least after they traded Trey definitely after I mean would not he die he might he might diecause I I feel like he was up for most approved player well he had back and back players that won it was Jalen Johnson won it last year and then he had one this year. Okay well yeah I mean so kind of yeah I mean we can go into these Converse finals a little bit we got a got a few more minutes to wrap up on this one but I mean just going into fuck it dude Nick's um Nick's Cavs and San Antonio OKC dude so I mean I kinda I kinda like I mean I think everybody kind of knew that San Antonio and OKC would be coming up against each other in this conference finals and it's a blockbus blockbuster matchup fucking San Antonio winning the first four winning four oh in the regular season I think Shea only played two of them I don't think Wemby played all of them but I mean just the fact that they were able to beat him four times missed a game or two J Dub miss I mean I don't I don't think I I think it may have been one or two games out of those four where they had if maybe not none where they where they both had their full yeah so it's kind of hard to get a judgment on that but I'll tell you this before even you know you get um I think not saying that San Antonio this is obviously not their ceiling but Wimby dropped 40 had 20 rebounds X amount of blocks Castle played good hard all those players played Castle Loki played a little bit defense I'll say that they didn't have Fox ton of turnovers though ton of turnovers which is that bro because Castle was only I saw Castle was only having three turnovers in the whole playoffs well that's an OKC defense and he had 10 plus but it's also because he was the primary ball handler that they have the air so the fact that they were able to play that well without their primary ball handler and how healthy will he be how tender is that ankle when it comes back when he comes back right that's another thing that we gotta kind of uh look out for and also like I said the fact that they're up one game right now though it's like he's got like that hear me out but it buys him a little bit of extra time because he doesn't need to come back next game if he doesn't like if he doesn't feel like he wants to like he probably won't play won't play next and then after because then they're going back to San Antonio so like if they tie it up one one they go down two one there's Darren's had a few games off at that point plays his first game back at home we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

But I'll say this bro um minus Fox and uh the turnovers from Castle and kind of shoot bad but that's kind of to be expected um a little bit as he's a second year first year in the playoffs Harper played really good yeah but Harper is a better ball handler he's more of a point guard pure point guard than Castle is yeah and so um with that being said um that OKC defense is just as good as San Antonio this is it's a stalemate as far as defense between two of them yeah two things I want to touch on two things about that is um number one their best player and you know arguably second player or however you want to you know slice it um didn't play good check didn't even touch double digits and Shay didn't shoot good and they lost by how many points um not I don't think double digits right no it was like five so that's my point might have been like five or six and then in in double OT not to mention Shay did play better in the in the second half but Caruso had fucking 30 we're smoking like Steph out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

He was bro he was sitting he was in J Dub played good but Kayson Wallace didn't play good uh um McCain didn't play good you have to pull up the ball um I alright I look I looked early none of them had Kayson Wallace didn't have over double digits none none of the bench players for OKC had over double digits but also you look back that three that Wimby hit you mean tough shot almost deep right this I mean so that's what I'm saying if he misses that shot they probably game's different right so he hit a great shot in OKC their best players didn't play Wimby played as good as you can expect that's my point he played phenomenal and they won by we'll just say I I can't I don't know but six points they didn't have their point guard OKC has their full team they didn't have their point guard so you have Dylan Harper stepping in he's been off the bench all playoffs he steps in and put and fucking plays a game where he's fucking put in a stat line with Magic Johnson bro so like so he so so so he so he steps in Stefan Castle still has 10 turnovers yeah he didn't he didn't shoot very great either he like he still put up 20 20 plus points still put up a good amount of assists like he still had a good stat line only had one steal one steal no blocks yeah but I mean you could Dylan Harper had seven of them though Dylan Harper had seven steals bro I mean some of that some of that Castle had one so it could have been from you know pressures from other you gotta look sometimes bro like a player that can get fucking no steals or no whatever but they playing good tight fucking D the whole goddamn game right so that's what I'm saying like if he played good D on Shay but right like Shay that's what they put on him OKC was also attacking Castle a lot and they were kind of getting him into foul trouble a little bit because they like because they knew like they he's younger yes his first playoff goal but so I mean the fact the fact that he the fact that he was the fact that he was younger the fact that he was able to pad the stat line a bit and he was he threw that he threw that oop toop to Wemby that eventually clinched the clinched the game for them in double OT and he was hype as hell after it so like even after having as bad of a game off like not even offensively like just turnover wise like just turning the ball over as much as he did and um just not looking as comfortable as he has been on offense um to to clinch that game in OKC it was harder than they thought but if i if OKC comes back and wins that game that oh the the Spurs have been up all like all game like they've they've had the momentum all game like the Spurs had to close that and they did.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:42

So if OKC closes it then it's I mean that's that's a different series I'll say this just I mean the Spurs feel a bit defeated at that point and they might go down two three nothing I'll say this I mean it's it's uh uh a big game um either way uh because OKC absolutely does not want to go down um 0-2 going back to San Antonio but it depends on you know if OKC wins it depends on how they win for sure right if they go out and may pop them by 20 if if the OKC that we know that we've seen or who have played and also let's not meant let's let's not forget bro okay for one they had that's the first fucking playoff loss of the season yeah bro okay so Phoenix LA I hear you bro I'm just listening bro I hear you lost to this team all four times they played them wait listen bro so how close okay I got something for so you want to say that how close is that game between Portland and Phoenix very close correct so that determines the seeding like two of them I'm talking about in the playoffs they get in the play in oh with the play in okay that determines the seeding let's not pretend like Portland is some fucking scrubs like Phoenix is that much better than Portland. Okay let's I'm just gonna say that right now I'm just gonna say it right now brought scrubs San Antonio fucking they beat him four to one and then and then they beat they and OKC swept them right but the difference was Portland was in a lot of those games we looked it up we looked up we remember we looked at the bot score a lot of those times San Antonio took over in the fourth OKC the game was over at halftime or third quarter right so that's what I'm saying and the same with LA is a little bit different and granted yes Minnesota's way better yes especially without Luka I get that but you gotta see they're tired. You gotta say a little bit like you've won eight games in a row you know what I'm saying and you're coming off of a week worth of rest we see that in in in how Cleveland kind of got up on New York and they woke up, right? And they they got ticket over time and they were fortunate enough to win. It just kept but OKC for me couldn't do it. They couldn't, bro. But I'm just saying, OKC. I but I also I called it though. I I also said that I think that San Antonio is gonna win game one. I said I think it's gonna be close, but San Antonio will win game one. But I also said I do not expect Shay to duplicate out of he bro, he's a Wimby is a phenomenal player. Yes, he is he is broke he's gonna get his he's gonna get his stats no matter what. Yes, he is and and and but that's my point. Shay, if he goes out and he has like like you know, when I bet DT, if he has one of those Shea gang, you mean you know, halftime, he got 19 points, I think they're gonna win. You know what I'm saying? I don't great, he's a great player. He's a phenomenal player. Shea is gonna, he's gonna go down in the hall of fame when it's all said and done. Those type of players don't have consecutive or three, four game, a bad series, right? Like they you look, you mean like they're a James Harden type or a Paul George or you know what I'm saying? Like if you're a fucking LeBron, a Kobe, a Giannis, a Kawhi, one, like you're gonna, you know what I'm saying, whether you lose, you might lose, but you you're gonna you're gonna get off, right? And Donovan Mitchell is kind of what you mean. Like, I'm not putting him on the, but Donovan Mitchell, like, we're somebody detroit, like, I don't like fucking Donovan got off tonight. Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, he's like those type of players, he's gonna get there. He's gonna average a lot, right? Right, no matter what. Yeah, and OKC knows what's at stake. They know, they didn't play, neither one of them didn't play their best random basketball, right? But like I said, I don't expect De'Aaron Fox to play. If he does play, they're gonna limit his minutes, right? So that's what I'm saying. Like that right there gives the momentum, it levels it out right out. It's 0-0, even though San Antonio Sillo's had home court advantage, but OKC won a championship last year. They basically brought everybody fucking back that they had last year. You can't never underestimate the heart of a champion for one. And when you have arguably the best player in the fucking league on their two-time fucking MVP back-to-back champion, you know what I'm saying? Let's not discredit this man. Glaze. No, bro, I'm not glazing, bro, but like, come on, bro. Like, you glaze at Wimby then. I'm just saying, like, why give the man his flowers? If you're good at what you do, if you're great, what is the problem, bro? Yes, you can stay the free throws, but that mid-range is fucking deadly. I don't care what any of them, I've seen him too many times. Even without a foul.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

He's 6'6, it's just the fact that his team is so fucking good. They are, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

All around, bro. So is he really like he is that good, bro? I believe he is, bro. Uh, because we didn't, bro, before that, we weren't saying that two years ago, but he's just still averaging 30 fucking points a game. I'm just saying the year they lost, so they in the year before that, he averaged 27. So he's averaged 27, 30, 30, and then out, and then 30 again. Yes, he is that guy. He is, but that's what you want, bro. You don't like, you don't want your, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's the same with Jordan. Yes, he went out with Bronley. I mean, like, you need those complimenting, complimentary players to be to win that championship. Curry, as good as he was, without Clay Thompson, without Dre Green, he without Iga Dalla. KD. KD, yeah, yeah. But even, I mean, he had he had fucking two championships. He had a championship before that. He got two with him, though. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But like, I mean, you add KD to that, that's just like, you know, that's just that's crazy. They didn't even need him. They could have got anybody else but that motherfucker. Like, they did not need him. The second best player or third, whatever you mean, in the NBA at the time. They got him, though. Right, they did. I mean, and everybody knew. Everybody knew, you know, it was gonna be number championships. But that's what I'm saying, bro. Like, you look back on those players, those teams, look at look at Boston. They just won. Who's the best players is Tatum? But they had Jalen Brown, they had Derek White, they had Drew Holiday, Perzingis. Yeah, like they you Al Horse, right? And you look at Jokic, they had a good that Denver team was good. Healthy Aaron Gordon, a healthy Jamal Murray, Bruce Brown, like you had, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, you're not gonna fuck, like, that's what you that's what it and yes, he has a good team, but he's also cut like that. We all know that. We know when it's game six, game seven, we know when he ball in his hands, it's time to go. He's one of them players. He's not shying away from the moment, bro. He's not passing that bitch, he's not doing it. Even if he shoots bad, he's still he's shooting the ball. He's gonna get his points, he's gonna make that impact on the game. So that's what I'm saying. He did not the whole game. I expect him to be very aggressive come out in the game two. I expect him to be, you know, ultra aggressive. I, you know, like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped them there 15-20 in the first quarter. They're at home, they know what's at stake. San Antonio also has inexperience, right? That's something you have to factor in. They've never been in a game seven. Game seven changes everything. That shit that's mental. That's like they haven't been in that before. They haven't been this deep. They did. Or game seven, you mean, and also game seven would be an OKC. So in hostile territory, so that's what I'm saying. Like, bro, they gotta cover it up. They gotta close it up. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:40

One of the teams has to win at 4-2.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:42

I mean, but yeah, it's and Wimby, like I said, Wimby, you expect Wimby to drop 40, 20 in whatever the next game? I don't. So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

It's probably not, but I'd still put him for another one. He played as best as he could. I'd still put him for another 12 25 and 10.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

Well, yeah, but I'm saying, like, he did 25 and 10 was out of the best two players that he played before. He played except like legendary. Legendary. And they only won by four.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

40 and 20 doubles his fucking numbers over the years. He's a dog, bro. He's a dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

That literally doubles it, bro. So like I'm saying. It's only a matter of time before he gets that ring and that the face of whatever. We know the face right now is Shay. Shea is a face of the league right now. When the fucking game is. Until he gets that ring and MVP, then he will, bro. If he beats, okay, I'll say if he beats Shay and gets a championship, then we have more than an argument or discussion. But if he loses to Shay, or if he gets to the finals and does not win, we can't say that. How could we? He doesn't have a ring. He doesn't have any heat. We can say he's coming. I don't think he's getting there. If if they if they face New York, I don't think there's a way that New York can be there. There's a way. New York can you crazy, bro? They played him. Look, they beat him this year, I think, both times. You were big on showing me that pistons in New York shit this year. How many times y'all blew them out, right? You're big on showing me that. And even against Cleveland. Because we did, bro. Okay, but New York beat them both times in the fucking little yeah. Well, I think the first time the championship game, they beat them. They beat them. I know that for a fact. The fucking NBA Cup, whatever shit it was. The championship? Yeah, they beat them. New York won. Okay. I remember we were talking. I was like, bro, I'm telling you, because San Antonio was on also San Antonio was on 11-game win streak at that time. So they were a little tired. It's hard to win that many times, be good that many times in a row. It's on a Sunday. New York beat them. I think New York blew them off.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:50

Especially in the cup final.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:51

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think New York beat them by like 15. But that's what I'm saying, bro. New York, I think they match up good with both because of their because of who they have and fucking and that offense, bro, and the defense, because they can defend and score. But they have multiple OKC has multiple defenders as well. But I think uh Mitchell Robinson is a better defender to me than uh people people that say I'm crazy than Chet and Hartenstein. I think Mitch Robinson is very good. His only not has been Wembby. I was saying, No, no, no, no. Don't fucking say that. Okay, listen, bro. My whole thing, you know what? I was thinking the other day, bro. My whole thing with that with the Wemby shit is like he doesn't play for more than 20 minutes. I'll say this, bro. Hold on. My thing was. He's a liability on offense because he shoots 43% from the free throw line. That's why he's not in the game that much. Because he shoots that bad from the free throw line. He's not good offensively. Sitting in that paint, is bro, he's a good defender. He's a good defender. A very good defender. Injuries has been his really his biggest issue in his whole career. He hasn't he's never played, I think, more than 50, 60 games in his career. Injuries. And then also he's a liability on offense, kind of like Rudy Gobert. It's all like he can't shoot free throws, he's not that good. But defensively, look what he did to beat. Look what he did in a first round, or who did who did New York play against fucking all the people they threw. I mean, they didn't really have a really good big man, but Jalen Johnson is big. Fucking right yes. Fucking Kaminga. Yeah. I mean, he protected the paint very well, and also the fact that Kat is always in foul trouble. He has he comes and he plays really well. Yeah, um my thing with the whole, you know, Wimby thing is like I feel like when players are like that, bro, it's kind of hard to judge, in my opinion, how really how good they are defensively. Right? Because I mean, no, I'm and he is very good. No, he is, he is one of the things. But I'm saying, but when you're also 7'4, when you're 7'4, it's hard. If you try to put anything up at the pit, bro, he's swatting that bitch. Because of what? Because of what? His wings, bro. That's my point. But sometimes defense is technique, right? So I'm just saying, bro, sometimes you are good by default of your body that you are gifted, right? I mean, bro, you're not gonna be able to get away. I'm not taking anything, right? I understand that. That's what I'm saying, bro. Like I said, it's a very thin line, bro. I'm walking the thin line. I get it, brother. That's why I said it's very hard to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

But man, Wendy can't fucking shrink himself or like make his wingspan smaller. He can't make it bigger or smaller, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

He's only got what he's got. I understand. He's gotta play with what he's got, bro. I understand. I'm just saying. I'm I get it. I'm just saying, but like when, you know, if you're 7'4, you know, all you gotta do is do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:07

Nobody can do anything in the world. Right, that's my point.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:10

Are you really that good or are you just because you're that big? I mean, I'm just saying, Zach. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

I mean, bro, the fact the fact that he gets the blo like, bro, no, he can't.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:19

Hear me out. He's that good, bro. Okay, understand that, but hear me out. If you like 7'3 and I'm 6'5, you can just dunk on me every time. That has nothing to do with skill set. But because you're bigger than me. I can't actually even guarding me, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

The only people the only people that are guarding Wemby said we played one on one. They have fucking, bro, okay, but the people that are matching up on Wemby, especially in the playoffs, are only fucking like 6'8, 6'9, or over, or like like or or above, and and are all athletic. Like, like, bro, the people like the people that were. They really ain't played against people, really, bro. You know, also okay, so they so they went up against Portland and then they went up against Minnesota. They were through like their big men aren't good.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:05

That's what I'm saying. Listen what I'm saying, bro. They're he it's and it's hard to judge because big men aren't what they are these days, bro. Like primary defenders on the I mean, I would like to see his numbers against Jokic, Embiid, players like that. Like, it's hard because they can cut that. Right, you had Shaq, you have fucking, you had centers, Yao Me.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

You have fucking great defender the fact that Wemby's got his fucking dribble move, like, bro, Wemby defensively. Defensively. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, bro, but also he has a small frame too. And it's not like how the old NBA was his big body. Where you and that, you know what I'm saying? Like, but he also like just when he puts his hands out, bro. It's too much. He's a problem. Too much, bro. He is. But that's what I'm saying, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:55

Like, that's when you try and get over him, you can't. You gotta pass. That's how big he is. You have to, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:01

But but then so, but then. I want to see him against somebody with a good skill set.

unknown 1:19:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:07

Chet is okay. Chet is middle of the rent for me, but he's not aggressive, he's not consistent. Against the worst defenders, Chet isn't. He was going against DeAndre Aiden and fucking Jackson Hayes. And he me averaged, what, 20 in the series, but he didn't really like he's Chet is not that type of player. Against the Lakers? Yeah. Okay, that's my that proved my there you go. 12.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

That proved He said 20? I said 12.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:38

He said uh 12. Sorry to break it to you, bro. But yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just, you know, I I like to see him against a good, and it's tough because they're all gone. You mean Kat is decent, but he's not gonna play against, and it's not really that many really good big men anymore. It's not. Yeah. Like we can think of five off the top of our heads, right? Like, that's really good. It's a guard-led game now, guards and forwards.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:11

Bro, I mean, like just bro, what I was saying earlier when we were talking about that Cleveland Detroit series, man. It bro, you gotta have people that can knock down shots in fucking clutch time, bro. You gotta have people that can knock down timely shots. Like, especially in the playoffs, bro. If you're not knocking down shots, you're not gonna win, bro. Because you can't rely on fucking driving in the paint. You you just can't. Like you have to be able to knock down fucking, like I mean, like just like fucking in 2K, bro. You gotta you gotta move the ball. You have to move the ball, you gotta get assists, you gotta get fucking open looks. And it's just like it's all like it's all about ball movement and fucking just finding open looks. And like like just like like even contested looks, you gotta like you gotta be able to knock a few of those down. And that's the fucking that's ultimately the fucking the game changers in those five, six, seven point games. Yeah. Cause I mean, because we know how a game can be close as fuck at the end, and then a p a team pulls away in the last minute, and they end up winning by five or six, but it's been close all the way down in the fourth quarter at least. Like this couple shots if you were rushing or hurrying up. That's that's what I'm gonna do. Or free throw or a few dumbass turnovers. Yeah. Because you're in a rush, you super turnovers, and like two or three of them bitches cost you the game ultimately.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:29

But uh I mean, we only got a few minutes left. Try to get as much as we can. This Cleveland.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:36

Cleveland, New York game one tonight. Um, I mean, another OT game, great game. Thank God.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

Um good basketball. I'm happy. Fuck it. Back to back nice. That's all I want to see is good basketball.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

Dude, Cleveland, bro. First three quarters, they were fucking pulling away, pulling away good. I mean, well, I guess not, I guess not like all three quarters. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:58

It was in the half and half, well, not well, but then five, two because they won second quarter. Yeah, they won a second and third. New York won first, fourth, and overtime.

unknown 1:22:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:10

Realistically.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:11

I mean, if you you want to I mean it wasn't a whole quarter's length, but New York had New York had that long run at the end. We woke up. Um yeah, I think they were down like what like 92. That's crazy, bro. 92 to fucking 70s, like defense.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:28

78, 78. The fact that they can they can they got deep. That's on like, man. They do, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

They can lock up fucking and anobi back now, too. So they're gonna be able to do that. The only weakness on that defense stuck and Birch is knocked down some fucking key. They all did. Bronson. Bronson is a fucking bucket. Fuck, bro. Like always, unfortunately. Fuck that little motherfucker. Honestly, I'm glad he's not doing it against the Pistons, bro. It would, it would just be it, I would be much more sad tonight if the Pistons and the Knicks played. And well, you picked New York too.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:11

He picked New York to win, so I didn't I didn't really officially pick them. I felt like you didn't know, bro. Yeah, you're saying fuck Cleveland. You're saying they have to say, no, no, I said no. So I'm saying this round. No, no, I'm saying no, no, no, no, I'm saying like no no no no no. I'm saying about this round, though. Oh, okay. You pick New York to the window. No, specifically this game.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:32

No, I definitely pick New York for this round, bro. I think I think New York, yeah, New York doesn't make the finals. I mean, it wouldn't, it wouldn't, it wouldn't necessarily be a choke, I don't think. Oh, yes, it would.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:44

Yeah. But bro, you still you gotta. You go out and get another coach, you lose to Cleveland, there's no Boston, there's no Philly, there's no fucking magical pacer team, you lose to fucking Cleveland, no offense. I'm just saying, New York, bro. It's tough, bro, but you gotta win this series review in New York.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

If Harden, bro, what do you do at this point? As much as I don't like Harden, bro. I mean, you you got you kind of fucking got you kind of stay with it, bro. That's my point. Okay, but I'm saying is like that's the most demoralizing thing. Yeah, it is, bro, but this was their coach. That's what you live for everybody. Yeah, you gotta, bro. This was the first thing. That's what makes it diversity with the new coach, bro. And they were fucking as hot as they were, and they bro, they just gotta go in. No matter they gotta win.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:29

They have to. They have to. That's a disappointment. They may not win a championship, but they have to get to the finals. For this year, New York was the odds-on favorite to get to the fucking finals from the East from the beginning. They're the fake they're the favorite. Boston surprised everybody. Jason Tatum surprised everybody, up until the playoffs. When they didn't, when they fucking let Philly come back for three, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:55

Like, it's crazy. I mean, maybe if New York had to play Boston, they would have beat them again. Yeah. I mean, they would have beat him again. They probably would have, like, just the way that Philly played them the last three weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:07

Bro, tonight showed that New York is on a different type of high, bro. They're on a different type of vibe. And I get it. It's in your division, it's in your goddamn conference, your pick, bro. But they you gotta reckon, like, they are on a different Granic San Antonio's playing good. They are, but New York They're on a roll, bro, for sure. They're it and they played a good offense is the offense is flowing. They are. They played a young, good Atlanta team that was up and coming, and they were down fucking 2-1. They were. You know what I'm saying? They came out and punched them right in the fucking mouth and damn near beat them by 60. Then you turn around with a pretty much yeah, healthy fucking Philadelphia team, smack them right in the fucking mouth and on their home court again by 40. Then you come out and you're down by fucking 18, whatever, with four minutes to go, and you come back and win by double digits. I think they won by an overtime, didn't they? I don't know. Didn't they win by 10? I think they won by 10. I think, yeah, yeah. That's what they're doing. That's what I'm saying. Like, bro, they don't really did anything in overtime. That's bro, to me, that that's one, that's you know, those is like they got that fucking Cinderella shoe. They got that fucking that twinkle in their eye. Um, and I just think that OKC and San Antonio series is gonna be a dog fight, right? I just think it's gonna be tough for both of them in New York. I Cleveland could very well New York, it can I mean I don't know, it's it's hard, man. I think it can, I mean, bro, Cleveland can definitely take two two games for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:47

If you look at it, and then it goes to a game six, whoever, whoever, I mean, whoever wins that game, or whoever's however it goes after that first game in Cleveland, I think. Because like if New York wins next game, then it's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:03

I think next game that ball's pivotal. Okay, in my opinion. I think I think if New York goes up 2-0, it's a sweep.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:10

But then, but then but then but then you but then you got their games in Cleveland, bro. Cleveland's only Cleveland's only lost one time on the road, so you gotta expect Donovan Mitchell to get off crazy and they're gonna shut hard now. But they bro, if they go on But then bro, but Cleveland's big man, bro. Fucking mobly's gonna, I feel like Mobley's gonna get his and Jared Allen is also at much.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:30

But they got a big man that can take a paint too. They got big men that can take them out of the paint, though. That's the difference. One of them two big ass motherfuckers about to come out of the paint. Whether it's Mobly, are they gonna sit there and let town shoot all day? They're not. So that's what I'm saying. Like they if Cleveland wins the next game, then we're looking at maybe a six, maybe seven game series, maybe that's a dog fight. But if New York wins, they go up two oh uh. Even going back to Cleveland, I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

I mean, bro, I mean in the in the first two games or in the first two series for the Cavs this year, bro. The Cavs went up two nothing on Toronto, seven game series. The Pistons went up two nothing on the Cavs. Seven game series. The Cavs have been in two seven-game series, and both times a team started off two and oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:24

So it's like well, they started off two and all once, and then started off down 0-2. But this is a different team. New York is better than Detroit.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:37

Donovan Mitchell, bro, you know he's a player that can fucking get off whenever he needs to.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:42

He can, bro. But what I'm saying is y'all that Detroit didn't have that extra player to supplement that. You know what I'm saying? New York does. Even if Brunson shoots, even if Brunson shoots seven for 23. But then they broke they have four or five other players.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:58

Cleveland doesn't. Bro, are you telling me are you telling me Harden can't get to the famous thing? Harden's gonna continue to fame.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:05

In my opinion. This motherfucker gets P. Cleveland. Cleveland. Who do I say was going to win a series? Who do I say is probably gonna win a championship? It's New York the way they're playing. And they showed it again tonight. I thought they were gonna lose. The way Cleveland's playing. They came on fucking won. Yeah. That right there shows some grit, some toughness at home or not. Yeah, regardless.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:33

It's at MSG. They were down, crowd got behind him, man. And they fucking were able to pull it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:38

Their best player was the best player in the court, which he tends to always be. Sorry. I trust him more than Mitchell and Harding combined.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:51

Wrapping up this fucking look. Good podcast. First round of the Eastern Conference Semas Game ones. We got East Co Eastern Conference, Western Conference, switching up switching off nights. So we got a game for the next fucking week and a half. Hopefully. Hopefully, both the series go a little bit longer. Yeah, just get treated to some fucking close good games. Maybe see one or two more go to OT. But yeah, so yeah, I mean hopefully we'll be back next Tuesday. Oh we will. Same spot. Wrapping up some more of these Eastern Conference summons, but ZB leaving back soon.