No Plays Off Episode 17

Adam Kaufman, Thorb, and Sia Nejad on the Betting News Network, "No Plays Off,"  chat about golf & The Masters, the Mike Vrabel and Dianna Russini drama, their favorite game shows, and so much more!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Woo! Welcome in, everybody. No plays off coming your way on a Thursday. Thorb, see you cough. Those two, I mean, I'm I'm invested in volume, but I'm not invested in the way that these two are likely invested in this masters tournament. The way that we know our guy Thorb is invested. I mean, he's got multiple mortgage payments riding on this tournament over the course of the next four days. Guys, before we get to golf, because I do care about how things are going for you, I really do. I care about your wallets. I just want to share with you. I just picked up a couple of my kids from school right before this show, and I encountered something that was genuinely scary. And I'm wondering if you've had a similar experience. I was driving to pick them up, and I just started, you know, I'm on back roads, I'm going whatever it was, 30, 35 miles an hour. Nothing outrageous. But I start having this uncontrollable sneezing fit. And you know how it works when you're sneezing, like your body like seizes up, your eyes closed, you can't see what's going on right in front of you. And there are kids walking home from school, and you know, people are you know out walking their dogs, it's a nice day. I am sneezing, sneeze after sneeze after sneeze after sneeze. I thought for certain I was gonna get into a car accident and hurt somebody. I was deeply concerned about what was happening. I it's just it's as afraid as I've been, I don't know how long.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

So I have a buddy that uh sorry, I have a buddy that apparently got in a car accident because he sneezed. I think that was bullshit and he was just texting, but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

So that's the thing. That's the thing, is I've thought about this scenario before because everybody sneezes at random moments, even on a show, potentially. Sure. But I've thought about because I'm uh an attorney and I was a defense attorney mostly, not on the criminal side, but the civil side. And you know, you're looking down to text, you you're you're looking at the radio, whatever. If if it was me and I got in an accident, I mean, what's my excuse? If if like it was obvious that I should have seen, you know, what was in front of me. My excuse would be I had a sneezing fit, and I just I I didn't know I my body didn't know how to react, I couldn't see immediately in front of me, and then boom, like that that's a defense I've dropped every time if I wanted to lie about it and be that guy.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Well, because you close your eyes every time you sneeze, right? That's like a rule. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

I think it's unavoidable, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

It's a rule, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

So that's it. It was legitimately frightening.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

So, what do you do in that scenario? Do you stop a car?

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Like, what did you do? I I slowed down for sure. I didn't stop though, because I was I was not in traffic, but I was on, you know, like there were cars around, I couldn't just like pull off to the side of the road immediately. I mean, I you can't time the sneeze, you could do the whole like try and like hold it, but no, like that thing was it was involuntary, it was coming.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

We're gonna see Adam on the news for a hit and run shortly, I think. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

And Ed here, he's building his defense right now. Yeah, just playing it all out. And and it basically what he's gonna say is uh I didn't even realize I hit somebody, I was sneezing so hard, so that's why he's laying this out.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Like which of the three of us is most likely this is a um a mentality thing, this is like American psycho stuff. Which of the three of us is most likely to commit a crime and immediately come into a show like nothing happened?

SPEAKER_00 3:50

That is a pretty good question. I think it's Thorb still. I think Thorb yeah, it feels like Thorb.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But I feel like C you C would never give it away either. I would just tell you what happened.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Yeah, I I considered me in that in that answer. Uh, like I'm giving a very narrow edge to to Thorb, but like it could be me because I would just feel like Christian Bale American psycho kind of behavior.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Yeah, I'd be like, God, guess what I just did. Guys, you're never gonna believe this. I thought of Thorb earlier, the big investor that he is. Did you guys see the story among the many stories that are going around on social media right now? We can weigh in on some of those later. Do you see the story about this teacher? I don't know what state it was. Feels like a Florida kind of thing. A teacher that was arrested apparently was allowing her seventh graders to bet money on her, you know, mobile betting account, and they won$125,000.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

That can't be true.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

And she and she got arrested for it.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Were they actively pushing the buttons to make the bet, or were they just like giving her advice and she was placing the bet?

SPEAKER_02 5:06

I didn't I feel like there's a huge I didn't see or read a story, but I I think they were feeding her info. I don't, yeah, there you go. I don't know if they were lit if she was literally like who was pressing the button here.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

That's a flat out fucking lie. Well, this this headline says that and she wouldn't have been arrested if she was just taking their advice, frankly. So this says they are acting, they like it implies they actively were putting the bets in through her phone. So yeah, that's not that's not great.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Don't you kind of want to talk to the kids though? I mean, if you were up 125k, I wouldn't know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

So that has to come out, right? You would think we need to know how they got 125k.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Yeah, it was fucking Marty McFly or something. There's no fucking way that's$135,000 that you said.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

$125. Well, the thing is, Thorb, it could be just some wild parlay, like it could be one bet where they pulled 30 bucks together and hit 125,000 on like a 16 gamer.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

That's fucking absurd, though. Absolutely absurd. I feel like Thorb would have been one of those kids. No, might be that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. I mean, what's the biggest bet any of you guys have ever hit? Like 5k? Maybe, maybe, and we're we're and this this little teacher with her little children are fucking hitting 125k. No way, I'm not bad.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

I mean, you don't don't dismiss immediately that's a fan duel ad again.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

This is hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Again, these are again that like seventh, like my oldest is in seventh grade. He and his friends follow sports, read about sports, play fantasy sports, know about sports. I realize there's a there's certainly a component of luck involved in gambling for sure, but I wouldn't put it past a group of like my kid and his friends to build out a massive parlay that by some fluke of the imagination actually hit.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

The athletics should have hired those kids instead of that random that was playing with like free money, you see, which is like okay, sorry to change the subject. I I'm not trying to be that guy that's gonna auto-defend the gambling industry, but you like I can't walk into with the poker boom like 20 years ago where everybody was playing online. I can't walk into a poker room with like a free stack of like 20,000 chips and then donk it off and be like, Oh, I I must like suck at poker or I'm good at poker, whatever the result is. It's not my money. I it doesn't it doesn't matter. I'm not beholden to the money. So the the whole foundation of that thing was so ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Well, also, I I didn't read the story, so I'm this is here. So if if anyone did, correct me if I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

I don't read anything, I don't really read much.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

I don't know if Thorb can read. I heard a story though, like someone recounting somebody recounting the story saying that wasn't this person who was given the 10 grand by the athletic, you know, up and down, passing money back and forth between their account and the book, like you know, like an average gambler kind of thing, and it wasn't kind of making for a good story, and they got to the Super Bowl and just sunk the 10k or whatever was in the account of the time all into one huge bet or a couple of it and then lost. Wasn't that what happened, or am I I have no idea wrong about that?

SPEAKER_00 8:16

I have no idea. I mean, we obviously have to read it, but like clearly they were doing that because they wanted the conclusion to be a certain thing. Because if if it was for the record, if it was, oh, I ended up winning like$18,000. Gambling is great. Like, clearly, that wasn't the outcome they were looking for. Yeah, like go put money into into FanDuel and DraftKings and you know, Bet MGM. Like, it's it's it the only conclusion was going to be that, regardless. Yeah, it's annoying. I just think that stuff is annoying because they're peddling that to the to the part of the population that is just going to sympathize with it and just be like, Yeah, it's it's bad, which you know it can be, but like that's a bad example of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

It didn't the story definitely was not good for those who actually gamble. Like, obviously, if if you're gonna, and I think the athletic is phenomenal, I think they do incredible journalism, but for a story like that, you know, have have someone who actually have somebody gamble, like is someone who actually gambles, not someone who just sort of dives into a premise with a thesis.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Yeah, give me 20k and just fucking see what happens. It's gonna be the wildest ride of your life, and the ride's gonna last like two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

It's either gonna be I'm up 85k or I lost the 20 grand pretty much immediately.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Thorb is it. If I had just like, I don't know, a spare 5k that I could just throw to Thorb and say, Go ahead, have fun, but like your goal is to make money, so don't have too much fun. Like, don't be stupid, but like I am I'm using you as a proxy. I want you to actually go and turn this into whatever more than 5k. I think Thorb would be a fun person to do that with.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

I totally agree, and I'm actually kind of willing to do that. I just wonder what's the time frame? Like, we have to fix a time frame here. Talk to me, go ahead. Is it is it like two months? Is it two weeks? Like, what what's the for the way we know Thor bets? Yeah, you know it's a lot of volume, but it but it's it's a high number in terms of like the dollar amounts too. Like, what's the time frame? And what time of season, sports season?

SPEAKER_02 10:21

What it well asking me this question?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

No, I'm asking Adam, and then I want to get your response.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Well, I I kind of want to turn that on to Thor. Obviously, we know you are a proficient golf better, but golf is is certainly a fickle game. Like, what what is your is golf your strongest sport, would you say?

SPEAKER_03 10:39

I mean, it can be, can also be by far the worst.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Yeah, but uh no, but like at the end of an average year, what is your most successful betting sport?

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Uh, with what I'm doing right now, NBA by a long shot, because I'm just taking like a lot of props. But theoretically, golf is my highest right now because I've done really well, but it can go the complete like last year when I hit 13 second-place finishes, it went the other way.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

So, but here's the here's let me frame the question this way: if I gave you$2,000, and I'm not I'm not saying I'm gonna do this, but if I gave you$2,000 and I said, uh like in six weeks, I want to know where you're at, and you can keep five percent or ten percent or whatever, but like I like let's see what my return is. What sports would you want to bet on knowing that you are using my money to bet? Like, what would it to me because to me that would convey what confidence you have in in those sports?

SPEAKER_03 11:31

I would double exactly everything I'm doing right now. Uh so I would do everything, I would I would spread it through everything that I typically do, but double it, and then hopefully, and then you're just you then you are where I'm at, so I feel good about it, and then and we're either up or we're down, you know. I mean, it's not bad, could be great, could be really bad. Who knows, really?

SPEAKER_00 11:52

We've we've got a poll up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

But it's a poll. I I feel like Wilson and home improvement. What is happening right now?

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Is it on Twitch or is it on Twitter? Like who who can vote on this? I'd love to know.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

SPJ, you're you're in the shadows. Nobody.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I assume you created this. They just created this feature today, so we are testing this right now. So you guys let us know if Twitch or Twitter, if you can uh fill out this uh this poll right here. What's your best sport to bet? You guys can see the four options. For the people who nba, mlb, other yeah, for the people listening on the audio.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Good at WNBA. I can't wait till that shit comes back.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Yeah, soft market. Uh I think WNBA is a great market to bet.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Not as soft as it was two, three years ago. I'm sure it's gotten it's gotten sharper since like Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, and you know, just a lot more eyes have been on the league.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Are you feeling self-conscious that the poll's still in front of your face? Basically, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

I'm kind of getting used to it now. Now I kind of like it. You know what it is? It's making me forget that I shaved my beard, actually. Yeah, I don't like that. You look worse. I'm well, I'm sorry. I yeah, I get I get I couldn't do what either what the two of you do. Like Sia never has facial hair. I assume you can grow it, but we never see it. You never have facial hair, Thor. You always look as you look. I go, I I I can't have one or the other. I get I don't I hate shaving, so I I will grow a beard and then I'll get bored of the beard and I will shave the beard and rinse and repeat. I can't go for a long period looking exactly one way.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Let me preface this with who cares? But what is your wife like?

SPEAKER_02 13:31

My my wife would be pro no facial hair, but I also will carry myself in the mindset of who cares. I'm not gonna have a beard or not have a beard based on how she feels about me having a beard or not having a beard. Unlike our guy SBJ in the shadows, whose wife loves his beard.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Right, right. I'm assuming he loves his beard as well.

SPEAKER_04 13:54

I think he does.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

Yeah, we got a thumbs up. Yeah, yeah. If he didn't, I would hate him.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

No, it's a gr I'm jealous. I wish, I mean, I like I can grow a fine beard, but I can't do that. I mean, that's a full nice beard right there.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Yeah, whatever you were rocking last week, that was good stuff. That was good stuff. You ruined it, but that was good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Yeah, but the beauty is like in a week it could be back.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

So can we all can we all continue to agree that because we I brought this up like what we're on episode 17, I think. I think this is like episode. I think so. I think episode three or four, I made the comment mustaches are ridiculous. I have no issue with beards, okay. But can we all agree that mustaches are ridiculous?

SPEAKER_02 14:37

I feel like this I don't I don't understand why they're becoming more popular again. I guess that's the part that I don't get.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Are they? Are they getting more? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Oh, yeah. You see a lot more people rocking mustaches than you did five years ago.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

But so are they trying to be like kind of like edgy and funny when you know that like I'm legitimate, like this is a legitimate question. Is it kind of like, hey, look at me, I have a mustache, as opposed to oh, I've got this mustache.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Well, you you did uh the fairway show here. Uh what fairway forecast? Is that what we call it across BNN? You did the golf show yesterday with one Danny Burke. I don't know exactly what he is sporting right now, but he is someone who generally carries himself with a mustache. Should ask him that question.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Yeah, I need to ask him. I don't think he was wearing one yesterday. I would have remembered it. I feel like Danny, I don't know him that well. I I would have remembered it. I don't know that I probably would have called him out on it, actually, like kind of trying to be funny, but like serious.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

He showed up with us at the Super Bowl with a mustache.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

How did you feel about it?

SPEAKER_02 15:38

I was a little conflicted. How close is he allowed to a school? Well, fortunately, we weren't going near any children out of the super bowl. Okay, yeah, not a media row, anyway. No kids on media row.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Did you guys talk about it?

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I think it's I think it's difficult to look good with a mustache, I'll put it that way. I've seen a lot of people try, and very few can actually pull it off.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Agree with that statement. So if you're listening and you have a mustache, you better be in that top four percent, otherwise, it might be shave time.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

But then there are just some, and I'll use an extreme example here, but like Tom Selleck, you know, iconic mustache, but we've seen him act and do things without you know, like clean shaven, or we've seen the full beard, like we've seen the variety, and that's just a man that rocks a strong mustache.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

So that was acceptable in the like 40 years ago. No, but he still has it today. I mean, I haven't seen Tom Selleck, but I mean, I of course, if you're Tom Selleck, you'll still have a mustache because it was cool when you were famous, but like if you're not famous because of your mustache, it's not gonna be a thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

I feel like you have to have a you have to have a mean face or a gritty face to you, you know, to wear it uh to sport a mustache. You need a solid jawline. I don't know. I feel like you gotta look almost angry to to have a mustache, you know what I mean? So I think you would look really funny with a mustache. I agree. I'd look funny. What who would see uh oh picture that right now? It's great, it's hilarious. Can we do that?

SPEAKER_00 17:12

No, no chance.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah, you're over here on the air, too. I'm gonna ask you this, and I just don't remember. When is the last time that you had facial hair?

SPEAKER_00 17:20

It was something I trotted out as an experiment in college, and it would have been at James Madison, and it would have been like my actually my freshman year, I think. Because you know, it's your freshman year, you're still trying to find your identity and everything, and like that was one of the things I would I tried, and it was ridiculous. Sorry, what did you say? You're JMU guy, yeah. JMU and then University of Richmond after that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

My uh, my I mean, this is meaningless to anyone other than you and even you, but my brother-in-law went to JMU, and I briefly lived in Richmond. So, how about that?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

How about that? Hey Thorb, what did you just see on the TV that alarmed you?

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Imagine just being a professional golfer in your 20s and 30s and getting your fucking shit stomped by Freddy couples. That's insane to me. I don't understand this shit, I don't get it. This is ridiculous. What the hell is that old bastard doing out here? How old is he? I'm gonna check right now. He looked like he doesn't have much years left, and he's out here two under at the Masters.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

He's 66. Okay, I was gonna say late 60s.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

I don't think he's as old as fucking nuts.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Yeah, but you you at 66, you should not be competing in any way, even for a round at the Masters. It shouldn't happen. Take over MB knew the answer to that question. 66, he put in the chat. Good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Meanwhile, John Rom is four over.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

This is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Yeah, and Bryson ended up four over, I think, as well.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

Yeah, that fade worked out. Couple Patrick Reed fade didn't work out, let me tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

I faded in DFS, I faded Rom and Bryson completely. So I'm kind of hoping my guys actually step up.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Yeah, I got 0% Bryson, but a lot of Rom.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

So uh, but what's we're talking about the the DFS side of things now for you guys, not the not the bets.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Right, right. I mean, I didn't bet them either, but yeah. Um, SPJ is asking us in the chat if we want to see a quote sick master's hype video.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Gentlemen, I mean how can we how can we turn that down? We can't hello my friends. Welcome to the final round of this tradition, unlike any other.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Yeah, exactly. Feels like something I already did, yeah. Yeah, uh that's rhetoric. He's dope. Yeah, he made that uh because I used that for the for the oh yeah. It feels like something I already did.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Wait, so you actually know that guy?

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Oh well, yeah, I used I used that beat for my master's recap last year.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

The one that you recently reposted. That recap is so good. Can we can you send that to SPJ right now and have him throw it up at like yeah, let's relive some point during the show? I mean, it's really good. Even for the audio listeners, that's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

How did you just get that video? Because that audio seemed fine.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

How did you get that from on your TikTok downloadable?

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Uh, I mean, way back. I mean, it just depends on the settings. Gonna have to check the settings.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Do I need to chat with the support?

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Instagram. I mean, it's on Instagram twice.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I'll I'll have a gander.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Hey, while while he's looking for that, I just I was looking for this. This this was this was what do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Is that you? When is that?

SPEAKER_02 21:06

This is during COVID.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

I gotta be honest with you, Adam. I don't hate that. It's not good. I don't hate the worst. I want to hate it, but I don't hate it. You look like a fireman.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Yes, it does look like a fireman. I look like I look like I just got off a Tacoma FD. It's not it's not bad.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

Like it's like it's it's not terrible, but it's I wouldn't say border borderline, like you should stay away from a certain set of people, but like also just a fireman. You know what I mean? It's close.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

You know what, you know what it looks like? It looks like someone who walks into a bar, orders a drink, gets one, and then winks at the bartender when he gets it. That's sure. That's what it looks like.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah, yeah. And the bartender is 16.

unknown 21:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Exactly. She's busting. How the hell is she getting that bartender?

SPEAKER_02 22:00

I didn't even say it was a female bartender, and immediately it's a 16-year-old girl. Perfect.

unknown 22:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

So I'm looking down. I've got I've got the iPad. And Adam Scott is a guy that I have like in every DFS lineup. He started off his day terribly, fought back to minus one, which I didn't even know because I've been distracted. And then so I'm like looking down at my screen and I'm like, oh my gosh, he's one under. Like he must have birdied a ton in a row. And as I'm looking at the screen, his ball is dipping into the water. And I'm like, oh. So here we are. Back to square one.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Welcome to the masters, baby.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Welcome to the masters. How many lineups do you have? Uh, I have a lot. I mean, it's money-wise, it's only somewhere between four and five hundred dollars, which is a little more than I usually do. But the number of lineups is a lot because I I decided to go only one lineup that's like a higher dollar, and everything else is like like little stuff that I'm just peppering everywhere trying to find the perfect lineup.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Is this optimizer with you know I don't I don't use any of that stuff. All hand builds all hand build for all my stuff. Hell yeah. That's time consuming. That is a commitment.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

It is, it's not like 150 lineups, though. I mean, it's ultimately it's probably I'm ballparking at like 40 lineups, 35.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

You know, you know what I like to do for DFS? So I feel the most locked in on Monday when my my brain's the freshest. I know who I want to bet already. Oh, so this is the Monday after the tournament. This is the Monday after the previous tournament. No, yeah, not the Monday after the tournament. Um, so Monday I go in, I already bet all my guys, I go in and do the highest entry one that I'll do for the week and make the lineup and never touch it. I don't mind that. Okay. Let me see. Let me see how that one's doing. Yeah, how's that lineup? Let me yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

What happens is, you know, Thorb watches so much golf. We watch so much golf that sometimes like that instinctual lineup that you make becomes the best lineup because you you let the research get in the way instead of the eye test and what you already know. And so, like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, you're going over, like, at least for me, I'm going over research, and I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have liked that guy quite as much as I did. Meanwhile, my eyes were telling me that I should like that guy, and then the results are that guy's gonna be great. So I don't mind that. But Thorb uh apparently does not like what he's seeing.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

No, apparently that lineup's not doing great so far.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

John Rahm's in it, and then um also Min Woo Lee is in it, who apparently sucks. What's his score right now? Ouch. Through 13. Wow. Freddie Couples is still minus two, button for Bertie. Yeah, so that's uh I just simply don't get it, man. I have to.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

So they're they're very much in the mix for a first round leader. Not that Scotty would have been a great bet, but I don't get it. I see Adam Scott in front of you.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Whom what? Yeah, it was a long number. What's funny, somebody asked me about him. Wow, I'm not doing so great in mind. Um, somebody asked me about him on Twitter, and I was like, no, this isn't the right course fit for Gary Woodland. And uh, you know, when he won, it was a completely different course. And then the person responded, thanks for the analysis, love it. But I couldn't tell if it was sarcastic or not. So then I was like, okay, I need to I need to like dive deeper. And so I I did, and I looked at it a little longer, and I was like, Oh, actually, and I like wrote under his comment, I was like, actually, I kind of might like Woodland. I think this is a good call. So anyway, um I don't I think I gave bad advice and then tried to backtrack.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

I keep um sorry, I keep I keep fading um like the guys well, not I guess I pick my people, but like the Patrick Reeds, the Justin Roses, Justin Rose, especially. I keep like like to the point where I think in my head he can't keep getting away with this, right? And he just keeps getting away with it because it's the masters, and I get it, it's the course history, but like at a certain point, like we gotta stop. I don't like both of them three under like that. I just I don't know. Like Justin Rose isn't even playing good coming in. It pisses me off. Like, I one of these days it's not gonna happen. He's just so good to start the masters, and I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

I I go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Well, I was gonna say Thorb strikes me as a uh, you know, especially going back to what he said about locking in that play that he feels the best about on Monday for DFS, like as SPJ behind the scenes here, you know, we'll often talk when we're doing our shows about like plums plays, you know, like just going with the gut, going with the feel. Thorb sounds like a I think he's a real plums plays kind of guy. See I wonder if when you're doing your ultimately when you're investing DFS, betting, whatever it is, you host so many shows with so many, you know, really astute golf minds. How easily are you influenced by other people's opinions and research?

SPEAKER_00 26:53

I used to be really influenced by it, and I got really mad at myself because I'd be like, Man, I didn't even like that guy. Like, how did I end up on him? I actually have a policy now that I don't advertise, but I only take my bets. And I I have learned to basically shut now. I that doesn't mean I listen, I don't listen to other people, especially when it comes to golf. Like, there's a lot brighter golf minds than me, especially as far as like the the like the really golfy aspect of it. So I'm happy to listen to everybody else's takes and get some more information, but I really just stick to my own, my own guys, because the one thing I hate more than anything with sports betting is having to blame somebody else for losing. I don't really not I'll still get mad at myself, it still sucks when I lose a bet. But when I can own it, instead of being like, man, Thorb gave me that pick and it sucked, kind of like when I gave him that Knicks pick two weeks ago. Like, granted, it's nothing to him, but the point is I gotta lose my own bets. That's my policy now. I don't let that stuff influence me at all anymore. I've just trained myself not to do it. Go ahead, Thor.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Can I I I'll just say this if you get mad at somebody who given you gave you a bet and it loses and you're pissed, you're a fucking loser.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

No, but I'm not gonna act, I'm not gonna actively be mad at me.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

I'm not saying you. I'm saying, like, I'm saying if you're one of those people that like, if somebody sends you a bet, for instance, like I don't know, many you've sent me bets before and they don't hit. It's not like I'm like, damn, see if fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Like, there's people that you can be mad, you can be mad at the person so long as you realize that really you're just mad at yourself, right?

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Like, I'm it it's more like I'm mad at not even your play, make your own plays then if you want to, you know, but you can't because you're stupid and you want to tail everybody else. You know what I mean? It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

I I think I think the larger point is is like, of course, I wouldn't like call somebody out for giving me a bad bet, but the larger point is is like I do so much of this. Like, why am I leaning on other other people's bets in in sports that maybe I don't even want to bet or watch in the first place? That that's the whole thing for me. I I don't I don't need to do that.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

That goes back to kind of what I was saying is why I make those line that first lineup on Monday is because I listen to so much content throughout the week. I do not want to be swayed from my original thoughts, so like at least I have that locked in because naturally I'll start thinking other things be like, oh, maybe I do really like that guy, you know, like to play him. And so that that way, at least I have that one big money lineup that was all me to start the week. Turns out this week I'm a fucking idiot, you know what I mean? And that just that happens.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Yeah, I I don't tail many people anymore. I think we've maybe talked about this. I don't remember. I've definitely talked about it across other shows on on the network. Uh, I but I used to all the time. I used to like you know, identify this person's really good in this space, this person's really good in this space. I'm just gonna tail all their plays, and you know, sometimes it goes well, sometimes it doesn't. Like it's it's a roller coaster, and you're signing up for that, obviously, when you elect to do that. And I totally understand the notion of I just need to sit back and trust myself and own it, and whether it's gonna work or it's not gonna work, I only have myself to blame. But I I do kind of laugh. I know a lot, as I'm sure you guys do. Like, I know a lot of people that either are part of Discords or run Discords and and they're out there selling their plays, which by the way, no judgment, like go make your money, like buy make a living by all means. But I laugh when they get upset when people cancel on their service after a bad stretch, and they don't just stick around and ride the roller coaster. Like, not everyone, yeah. I mean, sure, it's it's their fault for investing and you know, trusting you with their money, if they're gonna be upset, they can walk away like to each their own, but it is their money, like you can't have a feeling after a spiral for a couple of weeks about them walking away when you were losing the money. I mean, they came there expecting you to win, and you're not a robot, you can't guarantee success. But if if people are gonna walk away because they don't have a stomach for it for a couple of weeks, like that. I mean, it's there, it's it's a it should be a judgment-free zone on both sides, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Yeah, but I don't think people have as much of a problem about that as the person who's gonna call the person out like publicly or on Twitter or in their Discord, like you suck when the sample size is like two, two and a half weeks of a bad stretch. I think that's like the main issue that people who do that have a problem with.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah, this this it's like me. So, like, for instance, I'll take whatever Shaggy wants to throw out on college basketball, right? So, like when I bet Arizona, I put a hefty amount of money on that. That's like when Arizona lost me just adding Shaggy on Twitter and be like, dude, you fucking idiot. Like this, you know, no chance, dude. Like, I don't give a quoting his article. Yeah, right. Like, that's uh it's crazy. It's like it's not even I just I don't know. People get too worked up in the in you're gonna lose a lot when you like, and then you're gonna have big swings as well. You gotta be okay with losing. I don't even care what happens. Usually the first round of the masters, I I lose like a thousand bucks because I overdo it so much because I'm so excited, and like I don't even know where I'm at right now, but it doesn't even matter because this is a level of the game, it doesn't matter at all. It's three more days of this shit. I'm kind of depressed, it's almost over.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Can I ask you guys a masters question real quick?

unknown 32:14

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Um, so with McElroy obviously getting over the hump last year, are you guys impressed with his day one performance sitting at five under? With like you know, there's always the you have the green jacket already, the defending aspect of it. Are you impressed by just because again, I'm not a big into golf, you guys are. Are you impressed with what he did today in day one?

SPEAKER_03 32:34

No, am I impressed? No, because as a guy who put a pretty hefty round one wager by accident on Rory McElroy, I knew this was gonna happen. Um, so yeah, if anyone in the in the chat or listening doesn't know, I nobody would know.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

It was a private text thread.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

Shut up, uh I screenshotted a bet and said, This doesn't look right, boys, you know, into our group chat. And it was uh top Irish, so top irish for the week. It was only three players, it was uh Rory, Shane Lowry, Tom McKibben. Rory was minus 125. I said that shit's not right, boys. That shit something's wrong, they messed up. So I hammered it. I I didn't hammer it, I put 300 bucks on it. Not pretty pretty decent wager on it, and then um Adam, I think would you call me a bozo or something? I think you call me a bozo.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

You said you said no, but before this, before this happened, you start. Oh my god, guys, like minus 125. This is wrong. And then Cia looks at it on another book and sees that it's wildly different, and then Thorb goes back to this book and goes, Man, they're moving the line, it's minus 210 now. I can't get that, of course. I'm like, wow, Thorb's out here moving lines. I gotta go look at it, and I pull it up, and yeah, picks up with me calling you a bozo.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

Yeah, and first of all, ridiculous how those bets were next to each other. There was no like it wasn't in a round one slot or anything, ridiculous stuff. I agree. Besides the point, um, so yeah, it was round one top Irish, which is a weird market anyway. Um, so is but yeah, and then Rory comes out, shoots the lights out. I would Shay Lowry was like three under through 11 or some shit, and I was like, Well, that sucks. Uh, he hasn't been playing well at all, but I figured that was gonna happen, and then uh yeah, so but to actually answer SBJ's question, I am very surprised because um I faded Rory and basically everything besides that bet, which worked out nicely.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

I I'm not that surprised. I mean, obviously, I didn't expect him to be at the top of the leaderboard, but the idea that he couldn't, I talked to Danny about this yesterday. The idea that he wasn't going to play well because he just won and it's hard to defend, it's hard for anybody to win, first of all. But now there's no pressure on Rory McElroy. I think he's playing completely free. I think his mindset is like, I'm playing with house money at this point. So I expect him to have a good four rounds.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

Do you does anybody have any Scotty uh Scotty things because it's very hard to bet Scotty at all? I found a couple ways. Okay. So I I did um I did Scotty first round top 10. Okay, I need to have some Scotty money involved because I know he could burn me at any moment. So I want something out of it, you know. Uh, so I took that and then I parlayed Scotty to win with the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl. What was the number on that? Uh it was like 35 to win like four grand or something. Uh, and then also the Buffalo Bills, you know, as a second secondary shot. But uh that's how I got my Scotty.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

But you can't even let let's just say Scotty wins, which is obviously always in in play. You can't even hedge that at that point.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

No, no, that's not the point, man. It's about the ride. It's a hell of a ride. Yeah, it's a long ride.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Are you backing Denver because Mike McDaniel's there and has a real quarterback and a couple receivers?

SPEAKER_03 35:58

No, Mike McDaniel's. Mike McDaniel's with the Chargers.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Oh, he's with the Chargers.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

He's not even there, and also he's a little bitch. And then also Jalen Waddell on the Broncos. Oh, my bad. Is a hell of a play. Is a is a hell of a situation. They're gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Take O'Brien and beat Miami Dolphins, would have returned a billion.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Oh, I would have returned a billion. Oh, shit.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah, you blew it.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Okay, please. Bobby McIntyre, who you coaxed me into putting uh a play on, Thorpe. That's not good. That's dead, by the way. Dead super. I mean, he's three over through nine, so I think him winning is pretty unlikely at this point.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

I'd say very unlikely. Yeah. Um, a lot of bets die, see it. You know what I mean? So that's just the business, man. I'm mad at you. Don't worry about that. I'm very mad at you for giving me that fault. You gave the play. You shouldn't have done that. It is my bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

While we were talking about football here, I'm sure you guys have seen the other thing going around on uh social media the last couple of days. And we had an opportunity here at the network, actually, to uh SPJ, you have this, I assume, dive into the uh Roussini files, and turns it turns out turns out uh if we can show if we could show this photo here, uh maybe not just Mike Brabell. Oh shit, it's a me. Yeah, that's yeah, it turns out what's going on, Thorb. Thorb's not happy that it's girls running around.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. AI is getting crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Is it AI, Thorb? Is it?

SPEAKER_03 37:41

I well, I mean, that would have been a professional like photo taken at a like a specific location, but um, yeah, no, I I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind that for sure. Yeah, she didn't look great in that photo. You could have got a better one, SPJ. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 37:57

I know that the two of you have uh, if I'm not mistaken, you've never actually hung out in person before, right? But you know, when when that time comes, you'll be hugging and interlocking hands and everything like that, just just just as friends do, maybe check out a sunset. Who are you talking about right now?

SPEAKER_00 38:14

The two of you, me and SBJ or me and uh checking, yeah. Well, yeah, we'll definitely be checking out a sunset.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

That's yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah, what did C have to do with any of this? I I was just you know, the Vrabel and and Roussini, you know, just just being just being friends, doing things friends do, like that would be me hanging out in the hot tub, hugging interlocking hands, and checking out a uh a sunset out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Is is that all the evidence was just what we just saw?

SPEAKER_02 38:48

So far, that is all of the have you stayed away from this story somehow?

SPEAKER_00 38:51

No, I mean I I know the story, but those are the only pictures I've ever seen, and like that's not super incriminating, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

That's enough. That's enough. It's pretty incriminating when you're both married. See it, see if they had sex with each other.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

I mean, it's possible, but I'm just saying if that was the only evidence that the public had, and I'm them two, I'm doing the denial because I know they did deny it. Like, I think like you can plausibly deny that and just be like, Sure, I don't know what you're talking about. We're good friends.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Yeah, you can say as much as you want. I know what they did.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

That's not enough, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

That's not enough for me to be like that's enough for the court of public opinion to weigh in, though.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Well, because the court of public opinion is always gonna want to put the most salacious spin on it. I'm just saying, like, you know, you know what the worst photo is good. That is good. If you're listening to the uh podcast, you've got some pictures of it.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Go back to the photos, SBJ, the the the real ones. The the um the hands one is by far the worst. That's true. By far the worst to me.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Do you have the have have you seen it's it's on Twitter? I'm sure SPJ could find it if he doesn't have it readily available anyway. But the the hugging and and holding hands one, there's a a wider version of that shot that shows like the sunset and everything that they're looking at there at this resort. And and according to the stories, that's all we have, right? Are the stories, the reports that have been filed? Is that those pictures were on a private balcony that can only be accessed by your room, your suite specifically? This is not like oh, they met up on a bridge in the middle of a hike where anybody could have been walking by. That's that's a part of what makes this thing look as as ugly as it does.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

So I agree that you guys are probably right. I'm just speaking, like from an attorney standpoint. Sure, I'm telling you, that's not reasonable, like that's not like beyond a reasonable doubt. Like, you're not, yeah, you can convict him in the court of public opinion, but that to me, as a lawyer, I'm just saying, like, I don't think that's enough. Of course, there's somebody in the chat stiffler saying, like, hey, if that was your wife, would you want to see that? No, but I mean, I'm just saying, like, I'm not, and I think that's like on the line, but I don't think it's like, oh, they're definitely sleeping together.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Well, Mike, Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, has already put out the suggestion in an article that you know that that was not a happenstance, that was not an accidental, like a fan recognized one of them and took photos. Like, there might have been a private investigator on uh on the scene. That sounds they that sounds right.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

They not only had sex, they had sex a bunch of times. I'll tell you that. Like so many times. Yeah, you look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's uh that's just a fact at this point. Good for them. They're both married, right? Yes, yes, hell yeah, hell yeah, boys. You see what I mean about marriage? This shit's terrible. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

That picture is everything the Thorpe feels about monogamy, right?

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Yeah, it's bad, man. Shit's bad. Imagine Gigi and fucking Roblo there taking holding hands like that. That'd be bad. It'd be a bad situation.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Uh, they might be holding hands next week on the floor. They could be.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

I'm not joking. Yeah, they could, but that's that's for production on the floor, by the way, is the name of the program.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Yeah, they won't scary catch, Adam. Yeah, I probably I probably should have applied some context. I did not. You sure about that's not why? Uh Adam Scott Birdie. Uh, okay, so yeah, uh, everybody here's listening. The Gigianos with a deep fly to the left. Exactly. That's what I was trying to do with the Adam Scott thing. Yeah. Um Adam Scott Birdie. So, anyway, about Rob Lowe and Gigi. Uh, for those of you that don't know, Gigi is my wife, and she's on the show, The Floor, on Fox. And it, the two-hour debut was last night, where you you might you would have seen her you know, five to ten times the camera flashed her way, but uh she hasn't uh spoken yet or competed yet on the show. So maybe next week we will see that.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

What is I've I've never seen it. Uh what and I I apologize for not watching last night. What is the premise of this program?

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Uh, it's by the way, apparently it's the most popular game show in the country. Okay. It has been for a couple of years. So the premise is you go up and you you battle the other person, you're like up on a stage, like family feud style, and they show there each person has a category, and you go up and you challenge that person in their category, and they show you a bunch of pictures, and you just have to name what the thing is, and you go back and forth until somebody's clock runs out because you get like 30 seconds or whatever. Somebody's clock runs out, and then you lose if if your if your clock runs, essentially. And then what happens is if you win, you get their piece of the quote floor, and what you're trying to do is dominate as much territory as possible, knock out as many people as possible, and then ultimately win the game. It filters down from 100 to one winner ultimately.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

And you're saying she wasn't even on the first episode.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

She was on it, but everybody's on it. I'm saying she didn't compete on the episode. Uh There's a hundred people, so oh, this is thank you. Uh, is this from this season? Because I could probably spot her if it was.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Um, anyway, I I don't I don't know, but this is what it looks like.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Yeah, that's what the floor looks like. So obviously, not all 100 can compete in one show, but yeah, that but they showed her a bunch of times yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

Now that I follow her on Instagram, she she seems very excited about it and it's fun. Yeah, she's very excited about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

She made a lot of good friends too.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

So, which means theoretically, since the show's already done, if she's so excited about it, she must have did well. Okay, I'm diving in. I'm going in deep. I got it all figured out.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

To be honest, I think she's she made so many good friendships there that I think she's just more excited to see her friends and herself on TV. I think that's where a lot of the excitement comes from her.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Sure, sure. That's deflecting of somebody that did well on the show. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

She's this wasn't uh first time on television, though, I assume, right? As uh we've given her competition background.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

No, her competition background was never like really on TV. So she's done some like modeling stuff, but no, this is definitely her first time on TV. I think she wants to do the game show thing. Like, I think she like is she likes doing it, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's on another one soon.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

What's I feel like game shows lead to other game shows? Like, that's kind of how that way.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Yeah, I think that's true. There's a lot of stipulations, though. Like, I think there's like time frames you have to wait to like get on the next game show or whatever. Like, some some whatever um outlets have different rules with that.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

So our game guys want to go on family feud together.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Um, my family wanted to go on Family Feud with it, would have been with Gigi, but like my mom and my my brother applied applied for Family Feud like many years ago, and we actually did like an interview thing. Now, granted, that's when I was starting to get into TV, and I gotta be honest with you, I didn't really want to be on Family Feud. It's just like I didn't I didn't think it was good for my like your brand profile or my brand or whatever, but because my family wanted, I did like the whole video interview, but ultimately we weren't picked, partially because we were all in different places and there was this like Zoom situation, but like mostly because we weren't like super exciting and like you know, boisterous, like most of those people are on the show.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

Good answer, good answer.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yeah, so we got these personalities to be you know sought after for a show.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

You gotta be an absolute cornball of a family to get on that show, bro. 100% you gotta make you gotta make the you gotta make the lamest video anyone's ever seen to get on that that show.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

That's right. What game show would you guys go on if if you could handpick one?

SPEAKER_02 46:38

I mean, the show that I love there were two shows that I loved growing up. Uh, one is still on and been on forever, and the other one I think was rebooted recently. Uh Price is Right was was uh you know back in the Bob Barker days, obviously Drew Carey now. And the other one, uh, have you guys seen or remember press your luck?

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Yes, that was a fun one.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yeah, you know, just sit sitting there going no whammy, no whammy, no whammy. That was uh yeah, childhood was watching that show. I think they I think they rebooted it with Elizabeth Banks hosting.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

It's terrible. I haven't seen it, it's unwatchable. I mean it's so bad. I don't know if it's because like we grew out of it or they just did it wrong, but it's like the same format, and it is. I watched it for like 10 minutes and I thought it would be like pretty fun to watch. Yeah, unliterally unwatchable.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

That's too bad, like too much production value, too. Like, did they overdo it?

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, it's well, I mean, it's well produced, which isn't a good thing necessarily, but like it's just boring, it's not it's not a fun show.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Wow, be done in the chat. Legends of the hidden temple. Wasn't that an old Nickelodeon show?

SPEAKER_00 47:43

I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

I think it was what about uh guts? You remember guts growing up? I remember the card game guts. No, uh Wheel of Fortune was was another one that I I always have really enjoyed. Not that like a couple people have mentioned Jeopardy. I'm way too stupid for Jeopardy.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

I think you gotta be a certain brand of smart to be on Jeopardy, otherwise, you're gonna be made to look like just a fool because you're just never gonna buzz in.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Double dare. That's another good one. Yeah, let's go in the chat here. What can you guys?

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Yeah, Thorb, can you think of one?

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Um, no, I would really like to go on like Love Island and just not talk to chicks and just hang out with the bros the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

That does sound you just do that in the content house, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

Yeah, but like on a show that's designed for like finding love or something and just not do any of that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

What about the challenge? Thorb that qualifies because it's a cash prize, dude.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

If my body wasn't so fucked up, I that would be my number one show of all time to go on because I feel like half the people suck at everything. So I like back in my prime, you know what I mean? When I was like 13 years old, I would have beat the shit out of all those guys and all that stuff, you know what I mean? Then I tore everything in my entire body. I used to be a good athlete really long time ago, but it was I was good, so I could have beat I could have beat them all, dude. I could have beat them all.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

What is the biggest injury that's holding you back? Because I still feel like you could go on the challenge. You're in the age range, but you could still compete.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

I have seven herniated discs in my back. See, I'm not going on the challenge.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Is it really seven? Are you you're exaggerating, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:13

No, I'm not. Jeez, and degenerative disc disease, and I tore both my shoulders to pieces. I had surgeries on both of those, and uh, yeah, no, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

No wonder he doesn't go to the gym.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

I go to the gym, which is live very lightly.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Can you guys hear that sound? No, would you your neck crack or something?

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Oh, the beer, the beer crack. It's like the best sound in the world. Okay, for the record, you're on today here on day one of the masters. See? Yeah, my boy Tron's knows. I struck him out and he cried back when we played ball. Wait, I was a hell of an athlete, dude. I was straight up, possibly one of the best. Yeah, yeah, that's my boy. Uh I was one of the best 12-year-old athletes to ever see the face of the earth. I'm dead serious.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Just little what sport? Obviously, you weren't part of the little league world series, so what else were you doing?

SPEAKER_03 50:08

Baseball and hockey. But uh so I was um I was like all so there was like New York State teams for baseball. Uh and so like I I bat I batted set uh 650 in in all-star baseball in it was called like Moose. So like when we played, so you played like every state, so you played like California. It was basically like the literally World Series, except it wasn't, but uh so because our town wasn't good enough to make it there. We had we had a shit town.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

What happened to you then? I mean you you fell off.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

I uh I had surgery on my shoulder when I was 12 years old. Damn, yeah, and I only did it because I was that good at like baseball and shit, so I like I figured I had to do it. Um, and then yeah, hockey, hockey. Um I got I got invited to the same prep school that Sydney Crosby went to, and uh and then I also fucked up both my knees the year before I was gonna go to that.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Damn. What could have been, huh?

SPEAKER_03 51:09

This guy's a walking. Yeah, but I only grew to be five'eight, so like did none of this would have mattered.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

And then you became a rapper, so here we are.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

And then when I was 18, that's when all of my back went just started just fumbling and shifting around and just being all weird. So that's uh I was doing lap pull downs at the gym when I was like 17 in college, and this is when I was ripped, guys. It was fun times, right? So I did a warm-up set just through out my back entirely, and then I've never been the same since. Yeah, I couldn't go to the back.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

Do you go to the chiropractor?

SPEAKER_03 51:40

No, I don't do anything now. They're all fucking they don't do anything, it's all fake.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

I feel like chiropractors, I feel like chiropractors can actually like help.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

Chiropractors are is a sham. Um the only thing that matters in life is your bed. So when I when I went to when I was at college, I slept on like a little piece of shit bed, right? So like my freshman and sophomore year. Well, I also tore my left shoulder when I was a soft, no, when I was a freshman, so I had to leave for a year and get surgery on that. But when I went, when I went back, now I slept on my bed there, piece of shit bed. I literally there was nights where I just everyone was going out and shit. I was like, No, I literally can't move, so I could not, I could not move my like my back was locked in place. And every time I went home for like summers and shit, I would be like, I feel infinitely better. Like, what is this? And it was literally just my bed. I sleep on that same bed and I can't sleep on another bed. It's insane. It's a twin bed, by the way, guys. Why did you leave for a year? Oh, I uh so I got in a fight when I was in college. Um, this is actually a decent story. I won't make it too long, but um we got time. All right, so so there was um, so I never I got a lot of fights fights in college, but I never wanted to. There was all my friends are all dumbasses, right? And they just start things. Um, so this one kid he banged somebody's girl, classic college stuff, right? So then these kids approached us, and um, they're like, Hey, yeah, you had sex with my girlfriend, and he's like, Yeah, I did, you know what I mean. Class that was basically the the gist of it. And then for and it was like three kids, and for some reason, when they all came at us, I looked back, none of the kids were there that I was with, so that sucked. But the good news is so when you're in a situation like that and you have three kids in front of you, you gotta hit one as hard as you possibly can, right? You see, you got you gotta take one out. I did that, it was really cool, and I'll explain why it was cool later. But then when I was when I was wrestling with like the second and third kid, my shoulder just dislocated out of its socket and then just tore its labrum on the way out and stuff. So but that wasn't bad. I didn't lose or anything because let me explain this. So the first kid I hit, um I hit he did the whole like you ever watch UFC and the like the the guy's like arms like does that and then they just tense up and they just like fall backwards. Yeah, so that kid that I hit got a got a ticket for trespassing because he fell asleep on that kid's lawn on somebody's lawn for like for like an extended period of time, and he got a ticket for trespassing. And then two years later, I saw his friend at a bar in my local hometown. He's like, Yo, are you Thorb? And I was like, Yeah, he's like, You knocked out my friend at Oneanta. I was like, Oh, now I gotta fight this fucking kid. Like, I don't want to fight anymore. I'm done with this. And then he's just like, No, dude, like that was a crazy, that was crazy, man. And then he bought me a beer. I was like, This is a really weird interaction, dude. I was like, You're a terrible friend. So yeah, that's uh, but yeah, I lost at the end of the day because I tore the fucking shit out of my shoulder and had to get surgery on it, and it wasn't good, it was a bad surgery, it lasted a while. I was cooked for like a year.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

At what point in that story does lawyer see us say my client should probably stop talking here?

SPEAKER_00 54:54

I love that he started. I love that he got a trespassing ticket for being knocked out in someone's home. That is like the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. Wake up guy.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

I feel like that made it worth it. I I still feel like it wasn't worth it at the end of the day because of my shoulder, but um, yeah, that that's at least something good that came out of it. Yeah, like uh like I guess a cop was driving by and a kid was just sleeping in a bush, and it was and it was sleeping in a bush.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Hey guys, we actually have a show coming on at five o'clock. We do have to get out of here, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

They they got something to coming up here. What what do we have on the way here, SBJ? What's on the docket?

SPEAKER_01 55:31

I just would love to hear more of Thorb's past sports endeavors. Um, no, we're uh we have uh Bespresso right here in the next couple minutes for the next hour, and then directly after that, Mr. Kaufman and Danny Burke will be off the bump with you guys to give you the moves on the uh MLB slate tonight. So two more hours of content right here on the network. So don't go anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Are you gonna like give out I'll ask him about it? Are you gonna give out MLB bets, Adam?

SPEAKER_02 55:55

We are gonna give out MLB bets. I love betting MLB. Can I have one? It's a short, short slate in front of us. There's only three more games tonight.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

What's the lock before we get out of here? What's the lock, Adam?

SPEAKER_02 56:06

I don't have one yet. You're not prepped for your show. I don't have four yet. I don't have I don't have a lock for you yet. Unbelievable. I've got a few bets in pocket, but nothing that I would somebody on the show that knows what they're talking about. Anybody in the waiting room. Nothing I'd put your money on yet.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

By the way, just to let the record reflect, I did win the money back that I lost for Thorb last week on the Knicks. Just throwing that out there for sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

And what a hell of a game that was. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

I turned it off. I thought it was over. And then I see CJ McCollum drains a shot, but he still had it in his hand. That's crazy, man. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

I'll tell you one that uh near and dear to your heart, Thorb. The Mets fan that you are. I know one that the the industry loves tonight is going over on McClain's five and a half strikeouts.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

If you want to uh yeah, the industry that just makes me want to fade it, dude.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

No, people no, but not like everybody, just people I I use the industry as a term for people I trust. People I like in the business are on that particular prop. I'm not saying it's like the most exposure at MGM or something. Okay, okay. So people you like, people you trust, people I like, people I trust. Why do you go all Bob De Niro? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

I'm really trying to feel you out here, see if I should place it with hefty weights.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

I still think it's a fade. No offense, Adam. Yeah, it's on it's under people you trust. I'm I'm not feeling super warm about that.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

I'm not gonna he's gonna he's gonna have six in the first inning and a half.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

Wait, doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

Uh it doesn't. All right, download. Well, see always tells you, but I'll I'll do it because it's on the screen. Download no plays off the pod, Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you get your podcasts available to you, Twitch, uh, YouTube again someday, maybe, uh, Twitter. We're we got almost 3,000 concurrent with us right now, which is a hell of a start here for a nice string of shows on the network. So uh that was fun, boys. Always a good time.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

We still have a lot more to talk about. Like, I want to, I want to, because after when we're back next week, I want to talk more about GG and Rob Lowe. And then also that there's that big story that and I hate to be that guy that's like going into like the CD part of gambling, but that that Matthew Wiley story, I think, is very interesting. The$500,000 bet and whatnot. I feel like that needs to be it doesn't need to be addressed, but I feel like there's some nuance to that that I feel like we need to talk about that has nothing to do with like throwing stones at anybody necessarily just like all right,$500,000 gentleman's agreement bet. Like that's right right away. I'm like, all right, that's a little weird.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

Yeah, I wouldn't pay you.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

I wouldn't expect payment if I'm betting somebody$500 like messaging on Twitter, like, hey, let's bet$500,000. Like, I'm not expecting somebody to come through with that bet.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Anyway, Thorb is still, you know, he's he's gonna have to play golf with Stifler pretty soon. Stifler's ready to bet the moon on that match whenever that thing happens. That is true.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

Closer to him, you'll be in Miami soon, right? We got to update on that next week, too.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

So many teases for the next show. Be with us for no plays off. We come your way. Uh, four o'clock eastern on Thursdays, but it's fluid, it could be a different time. We'll see. We'll let you know either way. We promise for Thor for Sea. I'm Adam. Up next, but not really. Pocket. It's Bet Spresso. You gotta actually say the right yeah, I know it's it's it's it's it's Bethespresso a bit now.

SPEAKER_03 59:29

Nice Batman shirt, by the way. Thank you. Like that. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Okay, okay.