NO PLAYS OFF EPISODE 26

Adam Kaufman, Thorb, and Sia Nejad on the Betting News Network, "No Plays Off," chat about Thorb's Florida move updates, the World Cup and the United States sad exit & some favorite Sitcoms! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Hello everyone. Yeah, three of us back together again. Cop see it, Thorb. Good to see you. Good to see you, fellas. And by all means, we want to hear from you guys on the chat. If you're with us, Twitch, YouTube, Twitter. How we doing, guys? I mean, how's everything? Thorb, how's life in Fort Lauderdale? Are we all you guys don't even give a crap? The team USA is out. You're not following this stuff. You don't care. I was gonna I was gonna ask how you feel about the nation letting us down, but you're not even invested.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

I mean, I did watch a lot of money. You bet on it?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

A whole bunch, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

What are you doing? That's like for America, yeah. But it's like it's like such a like the most public play like in the history of sports was to take US yesterday. I'm not saying it was a bad bet.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

I just so you do it, you do it for your country. Yeah, it's entirely for the country.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Yeah, well, Tippi. You want to put your money behind your country? Where can you put it, see ya?

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Yeah, not behind your country. That's not very good at soccer.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

At least you didn't bet Belgium.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

I haven't had like I haven't bet a single World Cup game. Still like nothing. Your guy buckets on fire. Buckets is on fire. I'm sure like there's some like BNN's got some guys on fire. Like, I'm just not interested in betting that I appreciate why it's so popular right now, and I think there will be some like residual like fans, even after the World Cup. Not a high percentage, but uh but an appreciable percentage. With all that said, I do not enjoy betting on it. That doesn't mean I don't like the sport, it means I do not enjoy betting on it. I'd much rather bet baseball watching it basketball, you name it.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Are you enjoying watching it though? Just the sports fan that you are, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Captivating games. Oh, there's no question. It it is captivating, the world cup in particular. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely been an enjoyable watch.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

I started watching after the group for me, by the way. I I asked Buckets on on social media, I tagged you, so you probably saw it. And I I said, Oh, like you're you need to come on with us on on our next show on Thursday. He's like, Deal, and then we moved the show to today, and I it completely skipped my mind. I didn't even ask him.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

Well, I didn't see that, and he wouldn't have been able to come on Thursday anyway, because I think he's traveling back from the studios. But honestly, like probably after the World Cup would be a good time for Buckets to come on because he's he's great regardless, World Cup or not. I mean, he's he's so entertaining by accident.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

By accident, Thor, you uh did did you downsize a chain since we started the show? I feel I felt like there were more chains around your neck when we began.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

They just sticking together and okay, all right. Yeah, perfect.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

And now you're in a you're in a tank top, which just feels very Miami. Like I feel like you're assimilating to the culture. Although that color tank top, I feel like it's gotta be like a shiny white or a red or an orange, like it's gotta be loud. So I feel like you haven't perfectly assimilated yet.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

You need to look like you walked out of the fast and furious.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

I'll I'll work on it. I'm also outrageously white currently, and it's uh it's alarming, and I need to work on it. I planned a pool day like last week, but then something came up. It I gotta do something about it. I'm like reflecting the sun here. It's it's bad.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

What's your Miami social life looking like a couple weeks in?

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Oh, I don't do anything, I just work. Um, I don't know. I do exactly what I did in New York. I just like I go to pole wax, you know, as like my theoretical job job. Sure. And then I get home and I work on music for eight hours until I go to sleep, and then that's that's really it. So I I've been out it's not it's no one who's white white. Yeah, I mean that this is why like I mean there's sun in New York. I I haven't seen it, but it's uh yeah, I do the same thing I was doing in New York, but now I'm just in Miami, which is funny. Like, in case I wanted to do something, things are things are there for me. I just don't do any of them.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

You know what's interesting? Breaking news. Uh I'm flying down to South Florida tomorrow, staying on Las Olas. So me and Thorb will be uh, I don't know, maybe tanning or burning uh to together on on uh on the strip, if you will. But it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. I'm gonna get to hang out with Thorb.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

How far apart will you guys be? Or are you like right there?

SPEAKER_03 4:44

Yeah, he's probably 10 minutes from me.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Hell yeah. And how would be it'd be hilarious if you guys didn't see each other though?

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Oh no, we'll we'll hang out. Like that's that's not a thing. I'll I'll be working for a couple of days, but even the work days I I'd be able to probably get get away a little bit, but over the weekend, I don't think I have much obligation. I'm gonna be there from tomorrow through Sunday night. Would you like to golf Saturday? I mean, maybe. I don't think you want to golf with me.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

I know you keep saying that.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

I really don't think you want to golf with me.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

I want to golf with anybody, dude. I just want to golf.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

You wouldn't want to golf with me. No, no, real bad. I not even like real bad, like real bad would imply I go out enough to be bad. I've been out like three times in my entire life. Like, I don't I don't even register as bad. I'm below that somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

You know what we can do? We just go out, watch the World Cup or something, get get blackout drunk together, it'd be fun.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yeah, but then I'll have to bet on it. Let's go somewhere where golf is is playing too, so we can we've got two tournaments to sweat this week, Thorb.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

I know, I know, and we're group edding it, which is fun. I'm excited for that.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

I am gonna, I mean, you can give out your picks now if you want, just know that at some point I won't be listening at all. So I will hit you up on the group thread and ask you for your first round leader plays and your finishing position plays, your make the cut plays, maybe your outrights if I want to get crazy, but really I'm looking to be a little more conservative. And I know you're both gonna have plays.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

You're gonna want to hop on all the outrights because this will be the first time that me and Sia have collectively the same outrights for two different tournaments. Yeah, we're gonna have to be electric.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

The same exact card.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Wow, okay. Tell me we're gonna be because we're gonna be together, and then imagine Sunday, you know, we have two sweats at thousands of dollars.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

I mean, literally, yeah. Uh so just to let the cat out of the bag a little bit, the there's the Scottish Open, and and by the way, Adam, I don't know. Your connection is a little off. You're like skipping around a little bit, but we can hear you just fine. I just want you to know in case you're like accidentally on the Wi-Fi or something.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

You do every stream, but I'll it does? Yeah, I didn't know that. I don't think that's true. I mean, right now I see it. I don't think that happens every stream. No, I don't think it does either.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Everyone. I think Thorbe's making that up to make you feel bad, Adam.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

I think I need to go full ventriloquism, and then I just don't even need to move.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

So for the Scottish Open, it's it's the most conservative card, yet the most I'll have out there because I I bet less than a unit on my outrights collectively. But because I'm taking two short guys, and because Thorb and I discussed this yesterday, we're taking two short guys, I'm gonna have to put a little bit more out there to get like seven or eight X on my money. We're taking Roy McElroy at 10 to 1. Okay. And then we're taking Matt Fitzpatrick, but we're doing something with a little twist. We're doing Matt Fitzpatrick in the without Scotty market at 19 to one. And the reason for that is Fitzpatrick was 22 to one. Now he's 21 and a half to one. I think he's 21 to one over at DK, and it's a lot shorter at other places. In the without Scotty market, it moves it from 21 to 19. And we don't think that's a big enough difference to factor in Scotty. So we're doing it without Scotty, but not the Roy is just a straight up play. And then the the Matt Fitzpatrick at 19 to 1 is without Scotty, and that's the entire card. No long shots, no medium shots. We're fully leveraged because we have a 10 to 1 at a 19 to 1. You you can't really bet any more than that without kind of looking like an idiot.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

So yeah, it's fun because Cia never does anything like this. And I'm forcing him into it. We had we had a long talk about it. I mean, it all checked out at the end of the day. It makes sense, it's good.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

So, for the record, for those listening that that care, and and these guys might factor in as first-round leaders or in matchup plays or finishing position, but there are like four or five guys that I really did want to bet. And if I hadn't bet Rory, I'd bet all of these guys Wyndham Clark, Chris Godderup, Christopher Rayton, and there was one. Oh, Alex Fitzpatrick, Matt's brother. Those four I'm very interested in betting, but because of the way I've I've crafted the card, I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave them off the outrights. And then Thorb also likes Marco Penge.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Yes, you know, you know who you know who I like as a sneaky one as well that I've been looking into? Victor Perez. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Now you're just getting too cute here.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

No, no, no, no, no. Victor Perez, top 20. You gotta check your uh your normal people books to see what I what I can get a top 20 at because I never know what's correct over here.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

It's you still grossly limited everywhere and doing your work on polymarket.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Yeah, I'm doing all the weird ones. Calci, uh polymarket, Novig. I'm using doing a lot of work on sure.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

Do they have finishing position markets?

SPEAKER_02 9:23

They do, but like I never know if they're good or not because like it's all about who's betting it. And like not many people are gonna place bets on Victor Perez. So like I don't know where the it's all based on liquidity and like who's betting what. So I don't know. It's good.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

I may as well get the isco outrights out there too, because me and Thorb are are are have are betting all of those too. William Mao at 30 to I'm going off memory here. I haven't even put these out officially yet. So this is like the first time I put it on. Scoops. William Mao at 30 to 1. I hit him at 70 to 1 at the same tournament last year. So I have a little bit of uh I owe him a little bit to bet on him again. He's playing well, and then the rest are like extreme long shots. Uh 70 to 1 David Skins, again, going off memory. Tom Hoagie at 80 to 1. I have Harry Higgs. Oh, I haven't bet him yet, but he's gonna be on my card. Uh Harry Higgs at 98 to one, who I have bet. All the other ones I have bet. Paul Peterson, 115 to one, have not bet that one yet. And then Troy Merritt at 140 to one. I have bet that one. So though that's the entire outright card for the ISCO.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

All right, so that was uh I figure rather than you know do it over the thread and chase you guys down. Uh, take a note taken, take some notes as you guys go. Uh, but I missed a little bit along the way. So it was Rory uh outright and then Matt Fitzpatrick without Scotty, those are the two outrights. That's right. And then Clark and Godderup were uh on your mind anyway, not vested, but on your mind.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

And then who are the other two that you mentioned there? Alex Fitzpatrick, Christopher Rayton. That you're gonna find them in like the 55 to 60 to range 60 to 1 range, and then uh Thorb liked Marco Pench at like 80 to 1 or whatever it was, 90 to 1.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Who's uh so I mean you I know you usually put out your uh your graphic as we get a little closer to the tournament, but are you gonna screw around with the first round leader market? Or would you advise taking one of those guys that you mentioned? Where uh you know what what do you like here in that in that regard?

SPEAKER_03 11:22

The thing about that is I is I haven't confirmed what the weather's gonna be like in the morning, but I do have some guys that I mentioned that are going out in the morning, which is probably gonna be the optimal conditions. Those guys include Thorb's guy, Marco Pench, who I may or may not bet first round leader, but it's it's Thorb's guy. So mentioning him, Rory goes out in the morning, the number's gonna be too short. Christopher Rayton and Chris Goderup go out in the morning. And I know Thorb likes Terrell Hatton. So if I had to pinpoint a few that I'm definitely gonna bet, or probably gonna bet Rayton, probably Goderup, and maybe Kurt Kidiyama. All morning guys.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Okay, and take taking notes.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

The isco I'll text it all back to you. The isco skins, Peterson, Hoagie, and David Lipskey all morning tea times out in Kentucky. All right, very good, everybody. That's the card. You you all just won like five grand.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Uh at least minimum. Yeah, you know, I'm sending send it back to you guys. So it's a little incomplete, but most of it's there. Notes, notes, notes for all of us. Yeah, yeah. Listen, trying to uh just be the what stenographer for the for the group here a little bit. Uh, see, I know you put out your hey, these are the things that we should get into, and I want to get into some of that. But first, I so this this is just on my mind. How much are you getting well? This Thorb, you're all messed up in terms of the way that you're betting right now because of obviously your your move. But in a general sense, when you have wide availability across the regulated sports books, I've talked about this across the network plenty and with you guys that I am a slave to the boost. I love the boost, it forces me to bet things that I would not normally bet. But whereas I will like I don't want to dump on any books unless I get really upset. I'm not quite there yet, so I am just going to elude and you can connect whatever dots you want to connect. But there is one book that offers a litany of boosts every single day, and I love that about them. I think that's wonderful. And my Macs have even gone up and up and up without me being a uh a losing better. So they're just they're trying to turn me into one. Uh, if I feel so compelled into max betting. But what I what I don't like, what drives me crazy as it comes to MLB boosts, and I don't think either of you bets a whole lot of baseball, but they will I bet I bet a lot of baseball.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

I just don't put out a lot of official plays.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Like a lot of baseball. Do you a lot of parlays though or a lot of straights? Um crazies. What what was the first option?

SPEAKER_01 13:57

A lot of parlays or a lot of straights?

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Uh both. Okay. Like last night I had two parlays going, uh moneyline parlays that closing with the Dodgers, which didn't end until 1 30 in the morning because the six to one lead ended up 7-7.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah, they found the run line in that game. So yeah, believe believe me, I was paying attention to what was going on. Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Oh, the wait, the I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. Was it the Dodgers you were just talking about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had the run line. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. I had the money line, fortunately, but yeah, yes, no, I would wish I wish I had. I had the I had the run line and the under 10 runs, all happened in the ninth inning. It was sweet, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Yeah, no, that was well, anyway. Where I'm going with this is this particular book, like there a lot of books you will get uh let's say a parlay boost on MLB, 30, 25, 50, whatever the hell it is, doesn't matter, and it will just be a parlay boost. So you could do like you're talking about a money line parlay. Sure. This particular book, and I don't really have a problem with like minimum three or four hundred, that kind of thing. But what it does require is SGPs or SGP pluses, it doesn't have to be it can't be a parlay, and I am finding it impossible lately to not lose on plays that I should win, like right play, wrong result, parlay after parlay, because that uh leg that I'm choosing to make it an SGP is ultimately what is screwing me over. I'll give you an example today. So there are some favorites that I like today, some very obvious chalky ones, but nevertheless, some favorites that I like. Uh, for instance, a little bit later on, the Dodgers again. Uh, I like the, you know, I don't love, but I like the Red Sox. Um, the who else? The Marlins are certainly one that I love the Marlins today. Um, there was another one. Oh, Phillies. Phillies are another one that I like quite a bit. Anyway, we have a doubleheader between Milwaukee and St. Louis today, and I love Milwaukee in this first game. And so I'm trying to build out this SGP or SGP X when I would have liked to have just done a parlay of the teams that I like. But nope, gotta be the SGP, gotta have that leg. And so I decide to include Milwaukee in this first game with Mizerowski on the hill. First five. If you're not following along with this game, I am Milwaukee at the end of five was down three to two, parlay dead. I knew instantly, the second that died, before it even went to the bottom of the fifth, I said Milwaukee's gonna tie it in the sixth. Sure enough, that happened, and Milwaukee now leads four to three, it's in the eighth inning. Milwaukee's gonna win this game. Yes, and I'm gonna lose my parlay because of a leg that I didn't want to include in the first place. And my fault. Like, I I I obviously I should have picked a different leg. Uh, and and one thing I almost never do, I bet first fives all the time. I almost never bet first sevens. It is not a market that I play around with. Revisionist history being what it is, I'm kind of wishing I had done first seven simply because the logic of wanting the full game and not the first five to begin with, was I want more of the game, I don't want to handicap myself to the first half of the game. So if I had done a first seven and a and a full, then great. I I'd at least I would have, you know, been live to to potentially cast the thing. So as uh Japan in the chat says, Adam, you know, stop crying. I will stop crying by asking you guys when you see it, I guess more so when you find yourself in this position to where you have to do an SGP X or an SGP, what are you doing? Are you doing maybe the other team to score? Are you doing alternate K prop? Are you like what what are you doing that I am clearly doing wrong?

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Well, I'm not necessarily winning these parlays. I mean, I like the reason why the reason why I don't put the parlays out is because we all know that parlays are losing bets, and we know that the sportsbook's inducing us to add a leg or two that ultimately one of those is gonna fail, and then that 20 bucks that you spent on a little meaningless parlay ends up adding up and all of those things. So I I don't think they're a good idea, but what there are things that I'm doing which wouldn't have worked in this Milwaukee game, by the way. And for the record, I think first seven would have made sense. I always look at first five too, but with Mizorowski on the mound, first seven would have made sense because you would have figured Mizerowski would go maybe deeper into the game because he's just so dominant. And that's the whole reason I take first five is because I don't want to want to worry about the bullpen. But if we think the pitcher is dominant, is gonna go six or seven innings, then we can kind of like factor in a couple of extra innings for the Milwaukee hitters with uh Mizorowski on the mound. With that said, one of my things that I do is I'll take the the money line on the full game, and then I'll add in like the first five and the first seven, and it's not gonna they're all correlated, it's not gonna tick up a ton, yeah, but like it'll tick up enough maybe to get you to that plus 300 level that the book is requiring you to get so that I'll have like maybe two games, but one of the games I'm betting the first five, seven, and nine just to get it over that threshold, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

And that's basically what I did today. And I again it's it's maybe it loses down the line, it already lost anyway, but maybe it would have lost, is my point. But I took the Dodgers, the Phillies, and this game one of the Brewers, and to get to the plus 300, I did full game and first five for all three of those games, and for it to die on the very first leg is just infuriating.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

You could also do alternate team totals, like if you like if it's uh four and a half, you you take it down to three and a half, and it's you know, that might get you there as well. Yeah, yeah. Stop betting parlays, yeah. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Well, that is the thing, but listen, I I as you guys both do, or at least Thor does, I don't know if Zia does. I you know, my stuff is tracked on picket, and it's all like all my accounts are linked, and I can see that I am a profitable parlay better. So, in the grand scheme of things, it's not like it's been a losing proposition, but when it loses, it is annoying as hell.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah, I I don't think I've bet a parlay in months. Interesting, really.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

You don't he has been a winning better, you don't do like golfer finishing position parlays or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

No, I haven't even tried. Uh well, I don't even know if I can anymore with like the weird. Um, I think I can. There's like combo bets on these weird books. Uh, I don't know, they just make up weird different names for all the shit that's illegal. Uh not a sports book, yeah. Not a sports book, though. Yeah, combo bets. Uh, yeah, I I don't even consider it's just it's so much easier to win one bet than three at a time. Also, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

Also, I think the difference too is Thorb is more willing to put down a lot of money on a straight bet than you or me are, Adam. Like, I I'm not willing for the most part, I'm not willing to put $500, $1,000 on a bet. Whereas Thorb, you know, he if he's put if he's doing that, which I know he has done, he's getting you know eight, nine hundred back on a straight bet, which we would love from a from a parlay at him. So he's just willing to to risk more. We're kind of we're kind of teetering on like you know, fun money here.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

No, to your point, like I I bet in volume, I will bet, you know, in in totality, hundreds, if not into the thousands of dollars every day. But it's very rare that I am betting more than let's say 200 on a straight.

unknown 21:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Whereas Thorb is always betting at least $200 on a straight.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

And on an outright. And on an outright, which he has on Fitzpatrick.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

I have $400 on Rory, too. You animal. Um honestly, that changed everything for me because I don't know, because now I feel no need for a parlay. Which I think has really helped me because I used to do them all the time, and they're horrible. The only thing that could really get me on parlays now is um like I if I see a boost and it's based on a parlay. I'm not I'm never gonna take the boost, I don't care what it is. Um but except the only one that gets me is NFL because I can't help it, and I feel like I know so much about NFL, even though you know I don't. Yeah, I just think I do. And but well, you you can know without knowing the future.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

I mean, those are two different things.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah, but I feel like I know enough to the point where like, ah, I can I can get these three legs, you know. Um, so NFL gets me, but other than that, if I see uh there's a reason all of the boosts that are offered are parlay boost, they're not just like here's take a take a 25% straight bet. They're never gonna do that because it's just that's how you should bet. And uh they'll give you whatever parlay boost you want.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Right. They will give you a straight boost, but it it's mixed in among like 10 other three plus SGP boosts. So they're like they almost give you the straight stuff to to make you like look there, make sure you look there, and they know you're gonna be induced by like the three plus leg plus three hundred or or better situation. Like Thorb, remember the um we were doing uh these together as well. The if you're up by two in in MLB, you know, you you you cash the bet.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Yeah, the early pick. I like those.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Yeah, those are great. And for the record, uh, I'm limited to ten dollars on those before where it was like at least a hundred dollars. And I I don't think I was even that good at them, I just think they just changed their changed their mind on how much you can get.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah, yeah. We were both at like 100 for those when um when I was texting you about them, and then uh well now I don't have it anymore, but those were fun for like two weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Well, it's really what's I know it's not a human on the other side doing this, it's just the algorithm and usage and all that stuff. But it's what's weird to me, even still, is anytime that I go on vacation and I go to a place, be it you know internationally or even just to a state where a certain book isn't available. When I go to a place that I can't use a specific book, all of my boost max offerings are different when I come back. Like I went to the Virgin Islands last year for a week, and so I couldn't use FanDuel for a week. And my boost maxes when I went away were $200, and I came home and I log into the book and so you know, claim this, claim this, claim this. What's my max? And it was down to ten dollars. It just totally reset after not using the book for a week for whatever reason. I don't know why. Just because you're and that's that's happened to me. I don't know how many times for you know for various books.

SPEAKER_03 24:37

Big cheesy saying the Miz is at 11 or had 11 plus K's plus 239. Big Cheesy's super sharp. Bet that can somebody tell me is do we have um because it because there was a bet early on an earlier show, Miz to record the win. He is he is still eligible to record the win because they got that fourth run in the seventh, I think.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

I will tell you. He is as yeah, he pitched seven, and yeah. Although, I mean Ashby's in right now, and they've got granted there are two outs, but St. Louis does have a runner on.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Oh, fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Okay, two outside as of right now if it ended. Mizerowski would get the win.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Marlins, yeah. So Thorb said he's in on the Marlins. I really like the Marlins. I'm in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

I like the Marlins a lot today. It's gonna be like the most public bet ever, so that's a worry, but Japan asked in the chat by the way, if I ever bet doubleheaders, and so I have multiple feelings about this. The kind of quick version is that as a general this is I I think statistically, without going back too many years, but in what I have dug up in recent years, I think statistically, generally speaking, teams split doubleheaders. It is rare that a team wins both ends of a double header, even though we have seen that a couple times so far this year, and mostly splits. That said, I tend to defer to my own individual system, which assuming Milwaukee wins this game, that will be three straight wins, and that automatically puts me on the Brewers in this second game today, even though I believe that the Cardinals will probably win that game. Uh, all that said though, it's first and third now. So maybe St. Louis will wind up coming back and I won't have to bet the second game. Interesting. I know what you're thinking. You don't have to, Adam, but I do. But I do.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

So we got golf bets out of the way. We got some MLB bets that were on later. Um, should we go to my wish list? I know Thorb has to leave early. Should we go to my list?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

I was gonna ask that. Thorb, are are you checking out soon?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Yeah, I'll give you like five more minutes. I also, by the way, I'm addicted to first goalscorer bets in the World Cup. Oh God, love those. Love those. Hit a big one the other day, missed all the other ones, but hit a big one. Who'd you who'd you hit? Was it waiting?

SPEAKER_01 26:56

It was either, I mean, it's been it's been the best guys. So it was either Mbappe or it was Messi or it was Holland.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

No, I bet it was well. I've been taking all the not best guys because I'm like, that's way too fucking obvious. You know what I mean? And then that hasn't been working at all, but then it finally worked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It finally worked. So now do you have a guess? Now it's not one of the best guys. Evan, he's he's very good, you know, but he's not the best. I don't have a guess. Who was it? Uh Jude Bellingham. Uh oh Bellingham. It was dude, it was like a hundred to win like 1300. I was like, this is good for you. This is fun.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

That's awesome. Take over and beat loves it. He guessed it right. Boom. Oh shit. Nice. Nice work. Yeah, Bellingham had two in that one.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

I know, should have had that. Yeah, I I uh I Polisic, uh too bad he sucks ass, but um, yeah, I was in on him last night. He stinks, he stinks real bad. He looked bad. He I knew he looked bad when I watched the last game, and I was like, fuck it. I you know, I'm not just gonna bet the guy everyone's betting. You know what I mean? So let me let me get a little on a little Polisic. One goal, two goal, U.S. win. No, we got killed. It was bad.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Real bad. Yeah. Yeah, I had a I had been on a nice run and I had a bad day yesterday because I I let country pride take over me. I got I got a little too invested in the U.S. You got it, man. Yeah, I'm not even mad about it.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Because how cool would it have been if they uh, you know, Politics scored US wins? It would have been fun. It would have been good.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

I mean, I'll tell you this, I'm not happy they're out, but I am happy they can stop costing me money.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Yeah, sure, sure. Well, I mean, they're probably winning you money at first, but uh they were, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

I mean, I'm I'm having a profitable World Cup overall, but these last couple of days I've gotten a little reckless.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Yeah, I was really good at betting the games, and then I started doing this whole goal score thing. But uh not as good, but it's uh boy, it's fun. It's fun. I'm so in on Laminum All. He's so due. Uh he's uh god I'm I'm gonna be so invested in him in the next game.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Do you have anything in this uh currently scoreless Columbia-Switzerland game?

SPEAKER_02 28:56

No, what's uh I mean what's what are the odds?

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Uh because I like Columbia, but uh I actually like Switzerland. I mean, I I didn't bet it. I opted to bet the game a little differently. Uh I I did both teams to score, but between the two, I I do like Switzerland. I feel like most people are on Colombia.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Yeah, probably. I like Columbia I wanted Egypt to win.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

That would have been so fun. That would not have been fun.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

I feel bad for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

I well I had a I had a parlay that included Spain getting to the quarterfinal, so I I needed that. Now they or uh Argentina, Argentina and Spain was the parlay. So I needed Argentina to come back and win. That was a miraculous win. I had a messy goal like everybody else in the world, so that came through.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

I know I feel like people are getting so lucky with these. Uh oh, I guess he's gonna score. Yeah, like it's so fucking dumb. It's I'm it's pissing me off so much. I've seen everyone's parlays all like Messi Mbappe, uh parlay. I'm like, how are you hitting that? That's so stupid. It's yeah, the the chalk is so mad.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

The chalk was hitting at an insane rate in the in the group stage for sure.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

It's perfect though to recruit long-term soccer betters because it they're like, Oh, this is easy. I just like pick out the best guy and I you know, and I bet both teams to score plus goal score, and I'm I'm gonna win money. So it's actually like the chalky thing during the popular event is like so good for the sports books long term, or just sports betting long term, frankly.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

See, you'll be anything out of it. They're up four, three top nine.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Yeah, I just I just saw that. Um so predictable.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

If you're up to nothing, yes, I know it was Egypt versus Argentina, and Argentina's way better, but if you're up to nothing and there's like 20 minutes left in a soccer game, let's call it with extra time, let's call it with extra time like 25 minutes. What's the equivalent of that in the NFL game? Like how many points is a team up to to feel the same way you'd feel if you're up to nothing with 25. How much how much time left in the NFL game? Well, so let's say it's like the towards the end of the third quarter.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

What's what's the what's the score that would be the equivalent of a soccer two-nothing? With how much time sorry left in the soccer game? 25 minutes. I think 17 is the right answer. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Yeah, that that's about right. I think I was gonna say 14-ish, so 14-17, sure. Japan says 10 to 14. That's not enough. It's not 10. 10's easy. Yeah, 10 you can take care of real fast. But 14-17. I I mean we just saw, I can't remember who it was, but it was three days ago or something. There was another one of those, maybe it was a Senegal match where it was 2-0 real late, and they came back and and made it 2-2 and force extra time. I think it was the Senegal game. But uh Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's it incredibly impressive. It was it was a fun watch for sure. I got screwed because I had Argentina minus one and a half, and I had lost, I mean, it was 2-0, I had lost all hope. I as soon as Egypt scored that second goal, I was certain it was dead. But then to come back and go up 3-2 and actually maybe you know have those five, six minutes in stoppage time. I I got ahead of myself again. Of course, it didn't happen. For for the record, you did not get screwed, you just lost a bet.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

True.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Yes, fair.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Theoretically, almost got lucky.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Yeah, you almost got lucky, but you lost a bet. Yeah, that's Mexico game.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Screwed myself. How about that? Is that better?

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Mexico England game was fucking sick. Yeah, that was I I really only started watching in the 30, like once we got down to 32. Like, group stage just does nothing for me. But like, this shit, this shit's nice. This shit. I'm gonna actually try to watch these.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

I mean, it is fun that like respect to Egypt, even though this is gonna sound disrespectful. It is nice that they're more or less taking out the trash here in the round of 16. So, like, we're gonna have some insane matchups coming up here.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only bet I had do you guys have anyone to win at all? The only one I have is Spain from the beginning. Which I think they look, I thought they looked like shit in the group stage, so I thought they were dead, but they look like what's your number on that? I don't know, it wasn't that good. Um like 10 to 1 or something. No, no, they they opened at like five and a half or something. And oh and they might still be that now.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Like yeah, they're like plus 340 now, I think. I like this morning.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

I've got three or four small ones that I just threw bonus bets on at the beginning of the tournament. But the the one that I like had a real investment on, which is dead now, was Portugal. Just because I like the number. It was like 10 to 1, but doesn't matter. All right, Thorb, you gotta go? Yeah, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

Thorb, I'll see you uh maybe I'll see you tomorrow. Maybe I'll just stop by Pullwax and say what's up to you guys tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Not gonna be at Pull Wax tomorrow, but but stop by. Yeah, stop by. You know what I mean? I'll be I'll be there the entirety of like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So um, but uh maybe I'll switch some things around if you want to do some, you know, you want you want to get weird, do some stuff, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

You guys gonna do like take each other to work? Like, is he gonna go to poll wax? Thorb's gonna go to CBS. He didn't invite me to CBS.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Yeah, I haven't, I haven't. Security's pretty tight there. Like, you can't just have somebody like if you wanted like your family member to swing by, like, you gotta you gotta jump through some hoops there.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

It's like pretty closed off, especially if he walks in looking like that.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Yeah, they'll kick me out.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Yeah, he'll be doing recaps for CBS before you know it.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Yeah, for real. Yeah, it should happen. Should happen. My jammy. All right, guys. I'll uh you know, see you later and shit.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Okay, fun opening cards and filming it or whatever your job is.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Totally film it. That sounds like the best life. All right, bye, Thorb. Are we supposed to take him off? All right, bye, Thorb. Um, he's just gonna keep doing it.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

So I oh Thorb does card breaks. So Big Cheesy, yeah, he does. As of I think today is like his first like actually. I don't think he's like officially done it like on camera yet for like an audience. I think today or tonight might be his first one, or maybe it's tomorrow. But if you follow pullwax, you might actually see him on their like their live IG or whatever it is. So uh Adam, let's switch gears to the NBA.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

Oh, okay. I thought I thought we were gonna talk TV shows. Let's go NBA.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Well, we could. We'll we'll get to TV shows. Uh so just so everybody knows in the chat, uh, whether if you're watching on Twitter, by the way, there is a chat for Twitter, uh, particularly if you're on like an iPhone. I think on an iPad, like it doesn't have that functionality. But so you can respond on Twitter or Twitch, of course, or on the uh BNN YouTube channel. Name an overrated sitcom. And this is a safe space. You can name a super popular show if you want, and that's what overrated would mean, right? It would have to be somewhat popular. Put in the chat an overrated sitcom because Adam, I'm gonna hit you with some surprises later on in the show. Speaking of surprises, I was gonna ask Thorb what he felt about the Jalen Brown trade, because I think it helps the Knicks to water down, allegedly water down the Boston Celtics. So I look at that trade, the Paul George side of it, the picks, and I'm like, gosh, that seems that seems weird. But before, and I wasn't gonna be like critical on social media because I'm not like I I give NBA opinions, but I'm not like some NBA insider, like nobody cares about my opinion, certainly in the offseason uh about the Celtics. With that said, my first thought was what are they doing? And my second thought was Brad Brad Stevens is smarter than everybody else, including me. So I'm trying to reconcile whether I'm just giving Brad Stevens too much credit, like a lot of people do with like Pat Riley in the Miami Heat, or if he's got this thing figured out.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

So there, to your point, the reaction when the deal was made, everyone universally, Celtics fans, national media, you name it, was sorry, what Jalen Brown for for what? And you know, Paul George and a collection of picks, including a couple of first rounders, which you know they are excited depending on how the ping-pong balls bounce in 2028 and 2031. They're you know, we'll skip the permutations to which those could be valuable, but they could in theory be valuable, but still people look at it and it's Jalen Brown for Paul George, two guys making basically the same money, not overall contracts, but annually, and make this make sense because you got a guy coming off an MVP caliber year, first team all NBA caliber year, perennial all-star, 30 years old, prime of his career, and Paul George, who yeah, look good, really good against the Celtics in the playoffs. Outplayed Jalen Brown in that series, but is at the end of the line. You know, he's 36, almost 37. He's you know, can't stay healthy, he's in and out of the lineup, he's you know played 70 games once in the last half dozen years. He's not someone that you can rely upon, he's not someone that can carry you if and when Jason Tatum miss any amount of time game to game. And so it was what in the world is Brad doing to your point about the second point with Brad and just being a smart guy and a guy who has been a very successful team builder since ascending to this role and replacing Danny Ainge. There is an element I'll tell you, Celtics fans, and I don't know what the split is, but Celtics fans are divided between in Brad we trust. Like, let's look at the let's look at the track record and the totality of the work. This guy didn't just become an idiot overnight and doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't know how to assess basketball, you know. And then the flip side is Brad needs to be fired. What like this this is outrageous. He's costing Jason Tatum right in the thick of his prime years an opportunity to contend for maybe multiple seasons in the rebuilding and they're resetting. So, what I love about Brad, and I don't think this is something that is shared by everyone in his position across the league. I think he's a little bit of an outlier, is that he's generally, when meeting with the media, a straight shooter and doesn't give you a whole lot of the fluff. And if you really pay attention to what he's saying, you can get the breadcrumbs as to the truth behind certain decisions. I mean, hell, and this is multiple years this has happened before the trade. He, you know, right after the season ended, he was asked about the team's priorities, and you know, most guys, oh, we need to be better, and blah blah blah. You know, he was like, No, we need rim protection, we need a presence in the inside, we need more defense among our bigs, we need more of a pure point guard and a veteran addition that can help handle the rock. I'm paraphrasing obviously the language, but they go out and they do just that. They had Mitchell Robinson and Mike Conley, so you can decide what you feel about those two guys, but they addressed specifically those needs that they were talking about. Mike Conley's like 50 years old.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Mike Mitchell Robinson doesn't exactly give you 30 minutes a game, but fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Okay, go on and doesn't need to, doesn't in the way they're going to use him. He just needs to be part of a tandem with cata, and they will improve. I mean, they are you could make the case, and we won't do this whole like turn this into you know a Celtic show, but if you put rosters side by side, you could make the case that on paper the Celtics have a better team right now entering next year, and I think there will still be another move or two to come with some of the remaining money they have, mid-level exception, that type of thing. But you can make the case they are a better team than they were last year, even though that team overachieved 156 games, just generally worked harder than everybody else. That and and that's a compliment, but that is generally what up you know uh uplifted them and and and contributed to the success. When it comes to Brad, though, and this uh what what he told everybody in meeting with the media yesterday, the you know, he talked for 40 minutes, but the most important thing that he said was in this era of team building and the CBA as it currently exists, it just does not make sense to have two guys with the level of usage that both Tatum and Brown command making 70% of your salary cap. It is not a good way to build to have two guys on super max contracts now.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

But isn't the flip side, but isn't the flip side of that that he gets it just like Pat Riley does with some of his guys, or I should say Spolstra, that the Celtics get so much out of players that like nobody really knows about that you could have some of these guys that are like basically not getting paid that that just shine in the Celtic system?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Sure, absolutely. I mean, they look depth uh wherever is important, you know. We saw it with the Knicks, we saw it with the Thunder, we've seen it with you know a bunch of teams across the league that you need to be getting contributions out of your let's call it five through eight nine versus obviously being top heavy. And I think the Celtics, whereas they were obviously interested in Giannis Tentacumpo and could have justified giving him that contract because he's another top five caliber player in the NBA, they don't view Jalen Brown that way. And the league, based on the return, it is immensely clear, does not view Jalen Brown that way. Jalen Brown is a very good basketball player, he is a perennial all-star, he is not a superstar, he is a guy that can be a number one on a you know average team, a little bit above average team, but is not ultimately worth the money that he is being paid for what he gives you on the floor, which many of the advanced analytics will say is in terms of on-off splits, occasionally a net negative, as he was in the postseason. And so that I think is what the you know, the front office very controversially in Boston decided. And Brad Stevens said multiple times look, this is the decision we made. We may be wrong, but we feel it's it's the way that we had to go, and so we'll see, we'll see how it plays out. But yeah, I'm switching, I'm fascinated. I think it's the most interesting trade that's been made in the NBA since obviously the Luca deal.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Switching gears. Uh, look, we'll keep this answer short. So, because I wanted to get to the sitcom thing. We have Josh Lecter and Cater fan chiming in with the uh overrated sitcoms. Oh boy, where does LeBron end up?

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Not Boston, because that keeps getting talked about. That's not happening. Uh, you know, even though the Celtics are on the uh the Rich Paul whiteboard among those 10 teams that were there, people have mentioned the Sixers, like that's you know, Kendrick Perkins gone on and on about the Sixers. I don't think that's gonna happen. Uh, the Knicks are not in the running after winning the championship you know i would say it is the home you know the the the homecoming and closing the door on cleveland on a a third tenure there i think the calves are very live i i don't think miami i don't think he goes back there um i i i'm skeptical about the warriors thing that's been talked about a lot obviously he's not going back to the lakers i i mean it feels like the calves just feel like the front runner and i don't have next team lebron odds up in front of me or anything like that to tell you you know who is ultimately the favorite but that if if he is willing to take less and make the money work that feels like the spot it's a good team in a wide open conference that obviously could use him there's the sentimentality and narrative behind all of it as well the city even though he's left them twice already could not be more excited if he makes that decision everyone would be thrilled um that's that's what I think but what about you where do you think he wants I think it's golden state uh I think Cavs would be second and I think the Heat would be third.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

And I do think there's a benefit to going to the Eastern Conference for obvious reasons because even if he goes to Golden State as old as they are they're still probably not better. I mean I don't know maybe they are but I don't think they're better than San Antonio or OKC but if he joins a decent team in the East Giannis and Bam or or the Cavaliers you can make the argument that he's making that team I know he's not like super great anymore but he's making that team or turning that team into like a clear top two, top three team. Yeah. So I mean that that that's at the last end of your career when you've been playing 20 plus years if you can navigate that and like almost like without injury guarantee yourself like a conference finals appearance or at least something close to that I think that's how you probably want to end your career especially if it's at home or at a place where you've won more than one championship in Miami.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Far more interesting to me is whichever team signs LeBron will that team also trade for Bronny Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

I don't think so I think the answer to that is no I think I think Bronny's gonna look bad and I think LeBron knows this too if he just follows his daddy around I feel like he's tried to prove himself for a year or so. I think he's got to just like go out and try to prove himself again and if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. But I he's had the training wheels on for a couple of years and it and that's good for his dad for like doing that for him. Yeah but at a certain point you got to be like all right dude it's either going to work or it's not and hopefully it works because I've got my name behind you. But if it doesn't work it's just because it's just not going to work Lakers sure as I don't want him though. You're probably right about that. You're probably right about that. Let's talk TV shows. So so so I mentioned that the show Community was a top five sitcom all time. And I do think I'm like probably exaggerating a little bit but I do like for me it's a top five sitcom all time but I would understand somebody being like it's like not even close. And so somebody I think it was my friend Eric who was a fan of this show um was like I think you're being hyperbolic like you know and then there were other people that were listing shows that were like clearly in the top five and actually the top 10 and community is nowhere near that I think community like being hyperbolic is if you say like a show that's on right now that's in season two is the greatest blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Like community has been off the air long enough that I think you can just have an opinion about community and I haven't really thought about what my top five looks like but I would be surprised if community is not a part of it. I share in your love for community and I'm eagerly awaiting the movie by the way the the problem I do you think that's actually going to happen because I keep hearing about I absolutely do.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Okay. Well the problem with community is I I think it was I think it was seen as like niche for some reason or or maybe it didn't hit at a time where like people who were big fans of sitcoms like back in the day like the Seinfelds and friends like I think maybe those people were I don't know of a certain age like not to our age by the way but like not to appreciate or like delve into community I just don't think it was like promoted like enough maybe with all that said I think what we're doing when we're rating sitcoms and I did a whole sitcom bracket with Pat Mayo and and so I'm guilty of this as that was my first exposure to you I'm still upset it wasn't part of that actually and and by the way that that is um evergreen like there's there's nothing about all of those we did like five or six shows and they're all in podcast form all you got to do is search sitcom bracket pat mayo in Apple or whatever Spotify probably and and you'll find them but and I can send people the bracket all that stuff it's it's actually like really good listening like consumption. With all that said I I think we pay homage to the older sitcoms because we remember where we were when we were watching them but the context that's not layered on top of that is that those sitcoms were in an era where there really weren't sitcoms on cable there there was barely cable. Like everybody was dialed into the like the main four channels whether it was NBC or Fox or ABC or CBS and and that's where all the sitcoms for the most part were so we're we're reflecting on those times not appreciating the fact that the shows that have been over the last 20 25 years didn't get that benefit.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

And so I what my point is is even if like the Seinfeld humor or the the friends camaraderie and humor even if that is is like really good how good would it be even in the even if we like made the comedy like like we we made it so it it translated to like comedy today how good and how popular would it be if it was like if it aired in like 2011 or 2005 or even 2020 like I I don't think we would like it as much as we think I think there's just there's so many things at play that come with eras of television and age obviously of the people consuming it not just offerings and whether or not you watch something that is only available on a screaming streaming service oh wait you don't subscribe so therefore you haven't seen it that kind of thing there's the element of you know you go back and like you said it was you know the the the main four stations even before Fox obviously the main you know two three stations and then it's like you that was an era where like laugh tracks were acceptable like people have no tolerance today for laugh tracks it's almost when it's offered it's done ironically you know language has gotten stronger or more acceptable or you know depending on the outlet it is a main part of the show cursing and and being a little more vulgar people now have younger people have no tolerance for commercials at all which is why you know you'll watch certain things on streaming services that don't have them uh so it's I I think just over time like we used to I I think evaluate shows I mean I'll speak for me I guess but I think you're probably similar we used to evaluate shows not only based on you know like who's in it and is it a good cast is it funny all that it was like how sharp is the writing how clever is it it's why like people have such a renowned affection for you know arrested development you know the first couple seasons of arrested development it's like it's some of the smartest comedic writing that you could ever come across um you know I know that you would put out the opinion on Twitter that that offended some people with the uh Key and Peel versus Chappelle show like Chappelle show was perfect for its time and was so bold and and smart and creative and important and short-lived because obviously you know he decided to go to Africa and quit doing it and all of these things. Keen Peel ran a little bit longer but it was their tandem in you know graduating from mad TV as an alternative to SNL and doing things that were you know pushing the envelope even more and more creative and just different and has more long lasting rewatchable appeal and all of this stuff that man it's just it's such to me a fascinating conversation of of what uh you know what people really enjoy versus what they don't and and ranking these things or saying what's overrated like for me and I'll I'll stop talking but like Seinfeld yeah I watched it like anybody else my age but Seinfeld incredibly overrated in my mind like I think that if if I'm talking about the exact same genre and many of the same people like I think curb your enthusiasm is a better show than Seinfeld ever was you know that like that's just my opinion but I know a lot of people out there would think that's insane.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

But the the thing is is if they actually thought about it I don't think they would think it's insane. I think we just we can't help but pay homage to the shows that like brought us up that made us feel a certain way when we were little and again you have to like contextualize where Seinfeld I mean talk about a per it had to be a good show in its time of course but it was just like some of these shows were in the perfect spot. And these days you don't have shows like community for example or even Key and Peel they weren't in the perfect spot in the sense that there were only like three or four or five channels that people were watching and you know we you kind of force fed like this at eight o'clock on on whatever night it was I do think Key and Peel's funnier than Dave Chappelle. I understand why people think that's incorrect. But I also think that like a lot of people that were responding to me were like well Key and Peel would be nothing without Dave Chappelle. Yeah I agree. But that's not what I'm that's not the argument I'm making. I'm not saying that Key and Peel is foundational to sketch comedy. I'm just saying that I if I'm gonna especially if I'm gonna go back and watch like don't get me wrong I laugh at the Chappelle stuff too but I would be more I get I guess like I I would be more prone to going back and watching Key and Peel than I would Chappelle. And part of the reason is I think some of these Key and Peel skits are just so wildly twisted that like it they lean into the funny and then they go like a completely different direction. I just think there's like a certain cleverness with that. But anyway I I get why people uh don't like the Seinfeld comment you made which I agree with and the uh Chappelle versus Key and Peel thing that I mentioned on Twitter yesterday. So what are I mean have you thought about what your top five sitcoms are no I mean so off the top of my head Frasier's always going to be one and if we're gonna talk about sitcoms from that time you want to talk about rewatchability and going back and seeing if some of the comedy and some of the interplay translate Frazier versus Seinfeld it's not a close call. I understand people are emboldened by the whole Seinfeld thing but I'll go back and watch a Frasier episode. Not that I've done that recently but the rewatchability on Fraser is is awesome. And it's not just comedy there's like some psychology and just like I think brilliant acting uh in in that show.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

So that would be number one family guys in the top five real quick to just because I'm thinking about Fraser now did you ever you probably have never even heard of this show but I want you to I don't know YouTube or something like find it have you ever seen the show The Powers That Be Noard of it. It ran for a season maybe two uh incredible cast uh including David Hyde Pierce which is what you you know got me thinking about it because of Fraser and it definitely is dated like it it I don't think it would work now but and and it was on god at this point two decades ago easily maybe 25 years ago but it's so effing funny it's so funny. David Hyde Pierce is an amazing actor he's an amazing actor not unlike on on Frasier he is just the perfect straight man on this show and uh it's it's all it's a political show and a satire of of uh you know like it takes place in DC so your backyard and it's politics and families behind politicians and it's it's so funny. I I I beg of you to try and find it somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

So I know we got to get out of here in a minute as I see uh we got Beast McNeese Vs and I see PJ Glasser down here which is so cool. PJ's awesome um so I know we got a show coming up in in a minute but I don't have a top five off the top of my head but I will give you Frasier Family Guy and community as three of the top five and I'm sure I'm forgetting like some easy ones but I'll round out the list um how I met your mother might be might be inside that top five too but I I'll have to round out the list next week maybe some of the listeners can let us know what their list is tag your betting news tag one of us whatever it is let us know what your uh your top five sitcoms are what real quick before we leave were the overrated sitcom submissions you got from people well I only did we got a few during the show yeah I only did it in the chat and believe it or not there was only a few that that submitted but it was Seinfeld and Friends a lot of people think Friends is overrated and it probably is but again perfect show for its time came at the perfect time like you know I I I can't hate on Friends but obviously it's it's you know it's not exactly like highbrow comedy it's a little overrated.

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Yeah no that's fair uh beast is also knew what it was it was incredible but it's not a sitcom what which one suits beast is in the chat mentioned no not a sitcom at all but a great show one i mean one one of my favorite shows but not a sitcom mike miller mike miller with mama's family and golden girls mama's family family is such an obscure reference i kind of love it i met mike last week in chicago um for for an early edge event it's a super cool guy he brought his son too and his son is Caden I think is his name really cool golden girls is a great great sitcom golden girls would be I haven't watched that in so many years I won I wonder how it holds up in 2026 pro better than people think I would say I'll just leave it at that incredible we're uh on the verge of overstaying our welcome if we haven't already so we're gonna go our thanks to Thorb SPJ in the shadows for uh getting us on here we appreciate him while Biz intern Alex is off doing who knows what uh but see you and I will be back with you at at some point next week we we can promise you that I mean hell every week's a little bit fluid sometimes it's Thursday sometimes it's Tuesday sometimes maybe even multiple times uh up next but not really puck it but actually you can enjoy your uh what what do we have Bet Espresso all sauce team I think it's Betspresso is on the way cash some bets make some plays baseball's on the way the brewer's probably won which means bet the card tonight even though I'm gonna be on Milwaukee and we'll see you later see ya thanks buddy